The Offical 2012-13 NFL Season - Page 5

DarthVader 2004 · 02-01-2012, 05:26 AM

Well In New Orleans case there was no per say clutch reciever other then Joe Horn until Colston. Thats also my biases. He clearly improved his teams winning ways. He ended up being as valuable as Bush and maybe more so since still there.
Sure he has drew bree's but also Brees has him.
If he stays and gets another ring. I hope i am proved right by this.

Tornado · 02-01-2012, 09:02 AM

Colston has Drew Brees. It doesn't matter that Brees has Colston, the man can throw to anybody and still be dominant (as he has proven the past few years).

And comparing Colston to Reggie Bush is not a compliment.

MasterChief117 · 02-01-2012, 12:11 PM

Andre belongs on the list, Colston doesn't. Andre belongs probably in the top 20s, which is where he's at. I need to do my list. It's been a while since I've done something like that.

DarthVader 2004 · 02-01-2012, 01:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Tornado

Colston has Drew Brees. It doesn't matter that Brees has Colston, the man can throw to anybody and still be dominant (as he has proven the past few years).

And comparing Colston to Reggie Bush is not a compliment.

All you do is complain and wine about every thread or post i make. Once or twice is fine. But your sounding like a troll to me here lately. If don't think you like or agree with my opinons ignore me.

DarthVader 2004 · 02-01-2012, 01:04 PM

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Originally Posted by MasterChief117

Andre belongs on the list, Colston doesn't. Andre belongs probably in the top 20s, which is where he's at. I need to do my list. It's been a while since I've done something like that.

You should do a list. Its likely better then mine.

MasterChief117 · 02-01-2012, 02:06 PM

I'll probably do QB's first. When I can actually get around to doing.

ViRUs · 02-01-2012, 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by RedVader 2004

All you do is complain and wine about every thread or post i make. Once or twice is fine. But your sounding like a troll to me here lately. If don't think you like or agree with my opinons ignore me.

Isnt the reason why you make list is to get some discussion? You even said yourself that you dont mind the negativity that comes around your list? Its just opinions man...............that and your list is pretty bad too.

MasterChief117 · 02-01-2012, 11:13 PM

1. Joe Montana
2. Peyton Manning
3. Dan Marino
4. John Elway
5. Steve Young
6. Fran Tarkenton
7. Roger Staubach
8. Johnny Unitas
9. Warren Moon
10. Brett Favre

Let me explain some of my reasoning for these. Montana, without question. He went against a lot of criticism with arm strength and came out on top, several times. Not to mention, he beat the Bengals. Props. Peyton Manning is the most cerebral QB to ever play this game. Marino, without question the guy could put the ball anywhere on the field, an absolute monster. The rest kind of go without question, more personal opinion. I skipped out on some because my lack of knowledge of them. These being Roger Staubach and Otto Graham. I am aware of their addition to the game but it didn't really factor into my decisions.

Tornado · 02-01-2012, 11:22 PM

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Originally Posted by RedVader 2004

All you do is complain and wine about every thread or post i make. Once or twice is fine. But your sounding like a troll to me here lately. If don't think you like or agree with my opinons ignore me.

I am certainly not complaining or whining, I'm just pointing out the reasons you're wrong. You pretend to know something about some of these topics you post about, but you don't know anything. I think your lists are horrible, both in here and the movie forums, and while you have a right to make them, I have that same right to rip them apart.

DarthVader 2004 · 02-02-2012, 01:54 AM

Pay me no mind if seem grumpy with my posts. That usually means caught me when was pissed off with my family relations.

DarthVader 2004 · 02-02-2012, 02:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Tornado

I am certainly not complaining or whining, I'm just pointing out the reasons you're wrong. You pretend to know something about some of these topics you post about, but you don't know anything. I think your lists are horrible, both in here and the movie forums, and while you have a right to make them, I have that same right to rip them apart.

No you have no right to you just do. Just because you think your smarter then other people. You need to learn one thing about sport lists. Its mostly about preferance as well as talent.
I don't check stats on players because you can't watch a stat. I base my knowledge on players i have seen play. I may be wrong but i am doing the list how i wanna do it not if its a popular one.

You may think have right to rip my list or whatever i do but really you don't have to. You just like hearing your own words like they matter. No person is going to have the same best all time list.

This whole thing started because you didn't like it when said Young shouldn't be ahead of Marino or Johnny U.
I am likely wrong with my lists on a NFL expert level. But as a fan of players i think i am ok

DarthVader 2004 · 02-02-2012, 02:08 AM

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Originally Posted by ViRUs

Isnt the reason why you make list is to get some discussion? You even said yourself that you dont mind the negativity that comes around your list? Its just opinions man...............that and your list is pretty bad too.

I don't mind negativity its just for some reason Tornado bugs me because seems like he is trashing any list i make. I don't know about every single players of the era before 1978 because wasn't born yet.
I am a steelers fan and thus fallow that teams players. I know some about The Bears, Packers and Cowboys mostly.
Cowboys more so because hate them so remember the players.

DarthVader 2004 · 02-02-2012, 02:12 AM

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Originally Posted by MasterChief117

1. Joe Montana
2. Peyton Manning
3. Dan Marino
4. John Elway
5. Steve Young
6. Fran Tarkenton
7. Roger Staubach
8. Johnny Unitas
9. Warren Moon
10. Brett Favre

Let me explain some of my reasoning for these. Montana, without question. He went against a lot of criticism with arm strength and came out on top, several times. Not to mention, he beat the Bengals. Props. Peyton Manning is the most cerebral QB to ever play this game. Marino, without question the guy could put the ball anywhere on the field, an absolute monster. The rest kind of go without question, more personal opinion. I skipped out on some because my lack of knowledge of them. These being Roger Staubach and Otto Graham. I am aware of their addition to the game but it didn't really factor into my decisions.

Don't like Tom Brady? To be honest have no gripe with your list really. As i think on it I prefer Young To Brett Farve. But feel Elway Montana and Marino are 3 QBs who are far greater then any QB i have seen play.
Brett seemed so wreckless. While Young and your 5 and up have this control over there game.
Was you going to rank 15 more because have been doing 25.

MasterChief117 · 02-02-2012, 04:11 PM

Tom Brady has always just had a great group of people around him. That doesn't subtract from what he is as a QB but I think there are far better(the ones listed) than him, at least in my personal opinion, in terms of overall QB.

As you mentioned Favre was a gunslinger and I wasn't ever really fond of that, even though that was probably his most likable attribute was he was never afraid of zinging the ball.

Steve Young is probably one of the most dynamic QB's to ever play the position. He could run and he could pass. He was careful with the Football and he could make things happen. He deserved his rank, for sure.

DarthVader 2004 · 02-02-2012, 04:25 PM

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Originally Posted by MasterChief117

Tom Brady has always just had a great group of people around him. That doesn't subtract from what he is as a QB but I think there are far better(the ones listed) than him, at least in my personal opinion, in terms of overall QB.

As you mentioned Favre was a gunslinger and I wasn't ever really fond of that, even though that was probably his most likable attribute was he was never afraid of zinging the ball.

Steve Young is probably one of the most dynamic QB's to ever play the position. He could run and he could pass. He was careful with the Football and he could make things happen. He deserved his rank, for sure.

My feeling was Young could have likely gotten another ring if wasn't for all the Concussions

Here is my Top 10 QBs This year.

1 Aaron Rodgers.
2 Drew Brees
3 Tom Brady.
4 Eli Manning
5 Ben Rothlisberger
6 Joe Flacco
7 The Red Rifle Andrew Dalton
8 Tony Romo
9 Michael Vick
10 Philip Rivers

Diablo · 02-02-2012, 04:42 PM

Yes I know, I am setting up myself for disappointment because some team (probably Browns) will jump to #2 to snag him, but man I really hope Skins do whatever it takes to get this guy.

DarthVader 2004 · 02-02-2012, 06:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Diablo

Yes I know, I am setting up myself for disappointment because some team (probably Browns) will jump to #2 to snag him, but man I really hope Skins do whatever it takes to get this guy.

I know thats your hope but i think They could equally want to get Blackmon as there go to reciever. I think they need a reciever other then Santana.
They could make a deal and get a reciever and Weeden which i think is 3rd best QB

DarthVader 2004 · 02-02-2012, 06:04 PM

I think the Steelers will get the Safety from NC some how.

Tornado · 02-02-2012, 06:40 PM

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Originally Posted by RedVader 2004

I don't check stats on players because you can't watch a stat. I base my knowledge on players i have seen play. I may be wrong but i am doing the list how i wanna do it not if its a popular one.

And that is why you fail.

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You may think have right to rip my list or whatever i do but really you don't have to. You just like hearing your own words like they matter.

Not really. You just pretend to know what you're talking about even though you have no clue. And you have a real problem with admitting that you may be wrong.

DarthVader 2004 · 02-02-2012, 06:46 PM

You think your right with your list but i think my list is right for me. You think i am wrong because it clashes with your opinion. Also i never said was an expert and unless you work for ESPN or the Football network nor are you.

Tornado · 02-02-2012, 07:09 PM

Those people aren't experts either. I'm not arguing that our opinions are different, I understand that. I'm arguing the fact that you knowingly left Brett Favre off your list, and when I grilled you on it you did not have a single good reason for doing so. If you're going to make a list, then be prepared to defend it. You have proven incapable of doing so, time after time now. And instead of just saying something like, "agree to disagree," you have decided to argue with me. I would have been perfectly fine with letting sleeping dogs lie, but you wanted to get the last word in and I am not going to let that happen.

MasterChief117 · 02-02-2012, 07:44 PM

RG3 will no doubt be taken by the Redskins. I don't care if Blackmon is still there(he won't be). They could get a solid, talented receiver in FA to support Santana Moss for another year. That's what I would do.

DarthVader 2004 · 02-02-2012, 08:55 PM

I think Chad Johnson be good fit there. I know eh loos horrible at NE but if look at how NE is playing him. Its all about Branch and Wes.
I think Johnson be great as Redskin
The belief is that Rams will take Blackmon. Least thats what Mayock and Mel Kiper thinks.
Now Cleveland could get RG3 and Skins get the Texas A&M qb Or Weeden. However Cleveland likely could get Blackmon if Rams pass him up.

ViRUs · 02-04-2012, 02:47 PM

I think we're taking RG3 honestly. I just dont see enough upside to Colt McCoy to not take him if he's there, Though, we are notorious for trading back, so if the Skins come calling, I'm sure we'll trade.

DarthVader 2004 · 02-04-2012, 10:28 PM

Since Rams are willing to give up the Number 2 slot I say Redskins and Rams will just switch places. Because isn't the Redskins like at number six. Rams could still get Blackmon at a switched slot with Skins.
If i was Rams though id ask for a second round pick for the next 2 drafts. I mean it is RG3

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02-01-2012, 09:02 AM	#102
Tornado I am busy. Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Wisconsin Posts: 32,385	Colston has Drew Brees. It doesn't matter that Brees has Colston, the man can throw to anybody and still be dominant (as he has proven the past few years). And comparing Colston to Reggie Bush is not a compliment. __________________ MY BLU-RAY COLLECTION

02-01-2012, 12:11 PM	#103
MasterChief117 I believe in you Jim Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Gotham City Posts: 13,344	Andre belongs on the list, Colston doesn't. Andre belongs probably in the top 20s, which is where he's at. I need to do my list. It's been a while since I've done something like that. __________________ "I have no idea what I'm supposed to do. I only know what I can do." "There's greatness in you. But there's not an ounce of humility. You think that you can't make mistakes, but there's gonna come a moment when you realize you're wrong about that. And you're gonna get yourself and everyone under your command killed."

02-01-2012, 02:06 PM	#106
MasterChief117 I believe in you Jim Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Gotham City Posts: 13,344	I'll probably do QB's first. When I can actually get around to doing. __________________ "I have no idea what I'm supposed to do. I only know what I can do." "There's greatness in you. But there's not an ounce of humility. You think that you can't make mistakes, but there's gonna come a moment when you realize you're wrong about that. And you're gonna get yourself and everyone under your command killed."

02-01-2012, 11:13 PM	#108
MasterChief117 I believe in you Jim Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Gotham City Posts: 13,344	1. Joe Montana 2. Peyton Manning 3. Dan Marino 4. John Elway 5. Steve Young 6. Fran Tarkenton 7. Roger Staubach 8. Johnny Unitas 9. Warren Moon 10. Brett Favre Let me explain some of my reasoning for these. Montana, without question. He went against a lot of criticism with arm strength and came out on top, several times. Not to mention, he beat the Bengals. Props. Peyton Manning is the most cerebral QB to ever play this game. Marino, without question the guy could put the ball anywhere on the field, an absolute monster. The rest kind of go without question, more personal opinion. I skipped out on some because my lack of knowledge of them. These being Roger Staubach and Otto Graham. I am aware of their addition to the game but it didn't really factor into my decisions. __________________ "I have no idea what I'm supposed to do. I only know what I can do." "There's greatness in you. But there's not an ounce of humility. You think that you can't make mistakes, but there's gonna come a moment when you realize you're wrong about that. And you're gonna get yourself and everyone under your command killed."

02-01-2012, 05:26 AM	#101
DarthVader 2004 Executive Producer Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: West Virginia Posts: 13,553	Well In New Orleans case there was no per say clutch reciever other then Joe Horn until Colston. Thats also my biases. He clearly improved his teams winning ways. He ended up being as valuable as Bush and maybe more so since still there. Sure he has drew bree's but also Brees has him. If he stays and gets another ring. I hope i am proved right by this.

02-02-2012, 01:54 AM	#110
DarthVader 2004 Executive Producer Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: West Virginia Posts: 13,553	Pay me no mind if seem grumpy with my posts. That usually means caught me when was pissed off with my family relations.

02-02-2012, 04:11 PM	#114
MasterChief117 I believe in you Jim Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Gotham City Posts: 13,344	Tom Brady has always just had a great group of people around him. That doesn't subtract from what he is as a QB but I think there are far better(the ones listed) than him, at least in my personal opinion, in terms of overall QB. As you mentioned Favre was a gunslinger and I wasn't ever really fond of that, even though that was probably his most likable attribute was he was never afraid of zinging the ball. Steve Young is probably one of the most dynamic QB's to ever play the position. He could run and he could pass. He was careful with the Football and he could make things happen. He deserved his rank, for sure. __________________ "I have no idea what I'm supposed to do. I only know what I can do." "There's greatness in you. But there's not an ounce of humility. You think that you can't make mistakes, but there's gonna come a moment when you realize you're wrong about that. And you're gonna get yourself and everyone under your command killed."

02-02-2012, 04:42 PM	#116
Diablo RG3 Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: DMV Posts: 17,131	Yes I know, I am setting up myself for disappointment because some team (probably Browns) will jump to #2 to snag him, but man I really hope Skins do whatever it takes to get this guy. __________________ R.I.P Sean Taylor April 1, 1983 - November 27, 2007

02-02-2012, 06:04 PM	#118
DarthVader 2004 Executive Producer Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: West Virginia Posts: 13,553	I think the Steelers will get the Safety from NC some how.

02-02-2012, 06:46 PM	#120
DarthVader 2004 Executive Producer Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: West Virginia Posts: 13,553	You think your right with your list but i think my list is right for me. You think i am wrong because it clashes with your opinion. Also i never said was an expert and unless you work for ESPN or the Football network nor are you.

02-02-2012, 07:09 PM	#121
Tornado I am busy. Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Wisconsin Posts: 32,385	Those people aren't experts either. I'm not arguing that our opinions are different, I understand that. I'm arguing the fact that you knowingly left Brett Favre off your list, and when I grilled you on it you did not have a single good reason for doing so. If you're going to make a list, then be prepared to defend it. You have proven incapable of doing so, time after time now. And instead of just saying something like, "agree to disagree," you have decided to argue with me. I would have been perfectly fine with letting sleeping dogs lie, but you wanted to get the last word in and I am not going to let that happen. __________________ MY BLU-RAY COLLECTION

02-02-2012, 07:44 PM	#122
MasterChief117 I believe in you Jim Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Gotham City Posts: 13,344	RG3 will no doubt be taken by the Redskins. I don't care if Blackmon is still there(he won't be). They could get a solid, talented receiver in FA to support Santana Moss for another year. That's what I would do. __________________ "I have no idea what I'm supposed to do. I only know what I can do." "There's greatness in you. But there's not an ounce of humility. You think that you can't make mistakes, but there's gonna come a moment when you realize you're wrong about that. And you're gonna get yourself and everyone under your command killed."

02-02-2012, 08:55 PM	#123
DarthVader 2004 Executive Producer Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: West Virginia Posts: 13,553	I think Chad Johnson be good fit there. I know eh loos horrible at NE but if look at how NE is playing him. Its all about Branch and Wes. I think Johnson be great as Redskin The belief is that Rams will take Blackmon. Least thats what Mayock and Mel Kiper thinks. Now Cleveland could get RG3 and Skins get the Texas A&M qb Or Weeden. However Cleveland likely could get Blackmon if Rams pass him up.

02-04-2012, 02:47 PM	#124
ViRUs All for one and one for all! Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 7,304	I think we're taking RG3 honestly. I just dont see enough upside to Colt McCoy to not take him if he's there, Though, we are notorious for trading back, so if the Skins come calling, I'm sure we'll trade. __________________ Til I'm toppling from the top I'm not going to stop, I'm staying on my Monopoly board. That means I'm on top of my game and it dont stop `til my hip dont hop anymore. When you so good you cant say it, `cause it aint even cool for you to sound cocky anymore.

02-04-2012, 10:28 PM	#125
DarthVader 2004 Executive Producer Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: West Virginia Posts: 13,553	Since Rams are willing to give up the Number 2 slot I say Redskins and Rams will just switch places. Because isn't the Redskins like at number six. Rams could still get Blackmon at a switched slot with Skins. If i was Rams though id ask for a second round pick for the next 2 drafts. I mean it is RG3