Star Trek XII - Page 7

Dogbert0228 · 11-18-2009, 10:45 PM

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Originally Posted by IanTheCool

Q is very much a newer star trek character and I don't think would fit the style of the old star trek crew. Q was a great nemesis for Picard, but I don't think he would be for Kirk.

While I agree in the sense Kirk was never portrayed as having the same level of intellect as Picard and Janeway, I always thought Q loved to crush humanity's hubris, and which captain ever portrayed hubris BETTER than Kirk? I think they could make it work wonderfully.

However, at the same time, I loved Q's role in TNG because he was something new and they were the first to encounter him and he played such a pivotal role as a foil to Picard, that it would pain me a little sentimentally to see him in a new film (but since we have a new timeline, and since he's Q, throw all logic to the wind!)

Ewok Droppings · 11-18-2009, 11:04 PM

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Originally Posted by JBond

I'm all for a good balance, too. But science fiction and morals kind of go hand in hand. Some defintions of science fiction say its purpose is to create a medium to show us things about ourselves...except more articulated than that.

And they don't have to tell us to recycle and that humans are inherently evil at the end of the movie to do that.

Yeah, I'm all for having some sort of humanity lesson, but I like it more when it's kind of hidden in the story (like Kirk's classic hatred of Klingons and their war against humans). I just thought Berman did a lousy job of trying to have an actual story without just blatantly saying "Hey, stop stripping the planet of natural resources" or whatever he wanted his message to be. I prefer the message to be subtle and hidden, but deep. Berman was as deep as a Koi pond.

MasterChief117 · 11-19-2009, 02:01 AM

I would love to see the Kirk vs Klingons hatred thing. I would rather have that than Khan.

**JBond** · 11-19-2009, 04:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Ewok Droppings

Yeah, I'm all for having some sort of humanity lesson, but I like it more when it's kind of hidden in the story (like Kirk's classic hatred of Klingons and their war against humans). I just thought Berman did a lousy job of trying to have an actual story without just blatantly saying "Hey, stop stripping the planet of natural resources" or whatever he wanted his message to be. I prefer the message to be subtle and hidden, but deep. Berman was as deep as a Koi pond.

Well put.

(On a side note, I just finished watching the Voyager series. That just leaves Enterprise...I guess.)

sshuttari · 11-19-2009, 05:10 AM

Voyager is one of my favorites of the ST shows.

What did you think of it?

Panther2000 · 11-19-2009, 08:18 AM

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Originally Posted by MasterChief117

I hate Berman and Braga. They both made me extremely mad with Enterprise.

Me also, I got so pissed with that series. after 9/11 they toally lost their minds when it came to the show. It took a total different turn & pretty much just DIED a slow death. I do believe that they became way to FULLLLLLL of themselves.

Like J Bond. I don't want to Khan or anyother remake/reboot of previous movie. They can do almost anything now being that ST is in an AU. So, why rehash the old stuff.

I must say though, I freaking Love Q. he brighten up each of the series & still there were lessons in every one of his visits to each series. I loved that quy. Him & Quark were my fav. chracters out of all the ST series.

MasterChief117 · 11-19-2009, 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by sshuttari

Voyager is one of my favorites of the ST shows.

What did you think of it?

Voyager was really good. It definently had a lot more adventure than the others. My personal favorite was DS9. The epic war scenes get me every time. Not to mention I absolutely love Avery Brooks and the Ben Sisko character, I wish they would have made a movie off him.

Ramplate · 11-19-2009, 11:55 AM

I think Voyager was my favorite of the newer series too, but there's nothing that reaches TOS

King_of_Skid_Row · 11-19-2009, 02:32 PM

De lancie doesnt have to be the one to play Q. Since it is a new series and new people are playing classic roles they can easily get some one new to play Q. And i know just the person: Michael Sheen. After watching Frost/Nixon he does a good job playing a role that has a mix of seriousness and lightheartedness. Which is precisely what is needed to play Q.

**JBond** · 11-19-2009, 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by sshuttari

Voyager is one of my favorites of the ST shows.

What did you think of it?

I liked it more and more as it went on. Would I be crazy to say the seventh season may have been the best? Or maybe I didn't retain the older ones better? Anyway, I was sad to see it end. (I noticed Bryan Fuller was a writer on the show in the seventh season, maybe that has something to do with it.)

But DS9 is my favorite.

sshuttari · 11-19-2009, 04:35 PM

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Originally Posted by JBond

I liked it more and more as it went on. Would I be crazy to say the seventh season may have been the best? Or maybe I didn't retain the older ones better? Anyway, I was sad to see it end. (I noticed Bryan Fuller was a writer on the show in the seventh season, maybe that has something to do with it.)

But DS9 is my favorite.

Yeah your right... The show and characters got a lot better as the show went a long. For me it was the show that introduced Star Trek universe too me so... Naturally it's my favorite haha.

Ewok Droppings · 11-19-2009, 06:27 PM

I really hope they keep Pike around though - he was an excellent character. Overall, the character selections for this movie were fantastic. I'm just happy to have the original crew up and rolling again (albeit with new actors). So awesome!

sniktawt · 11-19-2009, 06:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Ewok Droppings

I really hope they keep Pike around though - he was an excellent character. Overall, the character selections for this movie were fantastic. I'm just happy to have the original crew up and rolling again (albeit with new actors). So awesome!

Yeah, I agree, I hope he comes back, the Pike character was great, he got used quite a bit as well. Plus I loved how they gave him a somewhat modified version of the Starfleet uniform from "The Motion Picture" at the end. The use of his character and those little touches are what kept the older fans happy as well.

docstop · 11-19-2009, 08:16 PM

Hope they hang on the great cast that they have and make some more great movies.
hate it when a character is played by someone else later on in a trilogy etc.

**JBond** · 11-19-2009, 08:58 PM

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Originally Posted by docstop

Hope they hang on the great cast that they have and make some more great movies.
hate it when a character is played by someone else later on in a trilogy etc.

Yeah, like with what they did with Kirk, Spock, Bones, Scotty, Uhura, Sulu and Chekov that one time. It'd be a real blow to the series if they couldn't get what's-his-face to play Kirk again.

*IRONY*

Ewok Droppings · 11-19-2009, 11:15 PM

I'm taking it you didn't like the new cast?

FVD · 11-19-2009, 11:18 PM

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Originally Posted by MasterChief117

Voyager was really good. It definently had a lot more adventure than the others. My personal favorite was DS9. The epic war scenes get me every time. Not to mention I absolutely love Avery Brooks and the Ben Sisko character, I wish they would have made a movie off him.

Quoted for Truth.

And along with Quark being a great character I also enjoyed Rene Auberjonois's character Odo. His sarcastic tongue brought many a smile.

**JBond** · 11-19-2009, 11:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Ewok Droppings

I'm taking it you didn't like the new cast?

I'm saying it's very funny to say you don't like when casts change after such a drastic one. I don't like when the basing of a movie is on a personation contest.

Ewok Droppings · 11-20-2009, 10:17 AM

You're right, but it would pretty much kill the momentum if they suddenly brought in a new Kirk or someone else to play Spock don't you think?

sniktawt · 11-20-2009, 11:37 AM

I'm sure these guys aren't going anywhere any time soon. This is a cash cow franchise for them. They now have a lifelong career doing conventions if anything else.lol.

Ewok Droppings · 11-20-2009, 07:03 PM

Wonder if they'll ever try to revive the TV series with this cast...

sniktawt · 11-20-2009, 08:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Ewok Droppings

Wonder if they'll ever try to revive the TV series with this cast...

I hope not

sshuttari · 11-22-2009, 02:00 PM

They are working on a new Star Trek series. But it won't have Enterprise in it.

Ewok Droppings · 11-23-2009, 07:43 PM

Do you have a link to that info.?

MasterChief117 · 11-24-2009, 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by sshuttari

They are working on a new Star Trek series. But it won't have Enterprise in it.

Yep the creator of Heroes is writing it up. He says he loves the feel and look of the movie and is writing it around that time. I don't understand, I WANT TO SEE FURTHER IN THE FUTURE! I wanna see the Titan or Excalibur. Why do they think the answer is to go further back? Enterprise bombed going back. Urgh.

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11-19-2009, 06:27 PM	#162
Ewok Droppings Executive Producer Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Endor Forest Floor Posts: 14,480	I really hope they keep Pike around though - he was an excellent character. Overall, the character selections for this movie were fantastic. I'm just happy to have the original crew up and rolling again (albeit with new actors). So awesome! __________________ The flat Earth myth is one of the greatest errors in modern history.

11-19-2009, 08:16 PM	#164
docstop Hockey Legend Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 2,522	Hope they hang on the great cast that they have and make some more great movies. hate it when a character is played by someone else later on in a trilogy etc. __________________ Never deprive anyone of hope... it may be all they have.

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11-20-2009, 10:17 AM	#169
Ewok Droppings Executive Producer Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Endor Forest Floor Posts: 14,480	You're right, but it would pretty much kill the momentum if they suddenly brought in a new Kirk or someone else to play Spock don't you think? __________________ The flat Earth myth is one of the greatest errors in modern history.

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sniktawt Hammer!! Join Date: May 2003 Location: Canada Posts: 31,434	I'm sure these guys aren't going anywhere any time soon. This is a cash cow franchise for them. They now have a lifelong career doing conventions if anything else.lol.

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