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[Boiiinng]

What about Harley Quinn enacting revenge on the imprisonment of her former lover? That could be fun.

Poison Ivy? Very current with the whole green movement.

Bane? One word...Steroids. So last year.


I hate to say it but I really think it might end here. Perhaps the future is Justice League or Batman vs Superman?

[DAN!]

Originally Posted by JBond

They should invent a new villain. (says the guy who doesn't read comics)

that would be very interesting. but too many people would be against it.

I say the villain should be "Snake Bite"

-He weighs roughly 230 lbs.

-Half human, half snake. A crazy voodoo ritual in Austraillia turned him into that

-His parents were snake poachers and hunt them for sport

-As a kid all the kids called him vampire face. So he killed the main kid, who happened to be bruce wayne's best friend

-As he got older he became more snake than human.

-he had an affair with Rachel Dawes before he died and he made a tape of it and sent it to bruce

-Batman investigates and finds that Snake Bite has been robbing ATMs and is hiding at the Gotham Zoo.

-Batman goes after Snake bite and they fight but snake bite is too strong

-Batman seeks help from the "snake poaching" parents and together they come close to defeating him, but Snake gets away to wayne manner.

-At wayne manner batman is alone with snake.... until Alfred shows up and poisons batman!

Alfred: You didn't think i would kill my own son, did you master wayne?

Batman: But your parents!

Alfred: I sent young snake bite to them in a hand basket when he was an iddy biddy snake. they adobted him. and now with you out of the way, me and my son can have all your assests....

Snake Bite: Hiiiiiisssssssssssssssssssss


to be continued in Part Four......where batman takes on satan!

[Doomsday]

Originally Posted by Neverending

How are Burton's movies campy? Both Burton and Nolan did a serious and psychological take on the character. The difference is that Burton acknowledged that he was adaptating a comic book while Nolan does everything in his power to make sure people forget that you're watching a comic book adaptation.

Originally Posted by halo7

You would have to convince me how The Penguin in Returns wasn't campy. Cracked put it best "When you're able to compare Forever to its previous installment, Batman Returns-a film where Danny Devito crams handfuls of raw fish into his mouth while sitting among penguins with missiles strapped to their backs in a sewer-and think, "You know, Forever is really where the villains became too campy," that's saying something. " So really, IMO, the Burton films are very campy, just not as campy as what was to come.

Like I said in the review thread, no one can call the Burton films corny or campy while at the same time overly praising a film where Batman turns 30 million (30,000,000....that's 8 digits) cell phones into sonar devices, gets a basic floorplan of every inch of Gotham, and STILL manages to get a direct location on Joker. If ANYTHING defines corn, it is that. Just think about that for a minute and let it sink in.

[drob127]

Originally Posted by DAN!

that would be very interesting. but too many people would be against it.

I say the villain should be "Snake Bite"

-He weighs roughly 230 lbs.

-Half human, half snake. A crazy voodoo ritual in Austraillia turned him into that

-His parents were snake poachers and hunt them for sport

-As a kid all the kids called him vampire face. So he killed the main kid, who happened to be bruce wayne's best friend

-As he got older he became more snake than human.

-he had an affair with Rachel Dawes before he died and he made a tape of it and sent it to bruce

-Batman investigates and finds that Snake Bite has been robbing ATMs and is hiding at the Gotham Zoo.

-Batman goes after Snake bite and they fight but snake bite is too strong

-Batman seeks help from the "snake poaching" parents and together they come close to defeating him, but Snake gets away to wayne manner.

-At wayne manner batman is alone with snake.... until Alfred shows up and poisons batman!

Alfred: You didn't think i would kill my own son, did you master wayne?

Batman: But your parents!

Alfred: I sent young snake bite to them in a hand basket when he was an iddy biddy snake. they adobted him. and now with you out of the way, me and my son can have all your assests....

Snake Bite: Hiiiiiisssssssssssssssssssss


to be continued in Part Four......where batman takes on satan!

hahahahahahahahahahahaha im really laughing here...you just made my night

[halo7]

Originally Posted by Doomsday

Like I said in the review thread, no one can call the Burton films corny or campy while at the same time overly praising a film where Batman turns 30 million (30,000,000....that's 8 digits) cell phones into sonar devices, gets a basic floorplan of every inch of Gotham, and STILL manages to get a direct location on Joker. If ANYTHING defines corn, it is that. Just think about that for a minute and let it sink in.

I am pointing out a difference in style. I am not taking realism into the equation at all. Despite getting sonar like that from cellphones and penguins with missiles strapped to their back doing whatever a deformed fat guy says for no real reason both being quite implausible, the latter was much more cartoony and campy in terms of how it was put together. There is no denying that.

[slinger]

Originally Posted by Jason Krueger

I agree with Necross, Heath did a really good job and I don't think anyone's every gonna be able to top that, but of course it depends on what the plot point for a third film will be and how the Joker fits into that point and if he does. Batman Begins plot point was fear, this one was chaos.

If they decide to go with another villain, I want to see them redo the Riddler in sort of Zodiac Killer way, you don't really know who he during the first half the film and he leaves clues and riddles in letter and phone calls to the police and stuff at the crime scenes for Batman.

See the Dark Victory graphic novel.

The series takes place mainly during Batman's third year as the Dark Knight. The plot centers on a series of murders involving Gotham City police officers by a mysterious serial killer only known as The Hangman. Central to the storyline is a territory war between Two-Face and the remnants of the Falcone mob led by Sofia Falcone.


BB and TDK drew inspirations from Batman:Year One, The Long Halloween so the third one could be from Dark Victory.

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During the events of Batman: The Long Halloween (to which Dark Victory is a follow-up), Batman captured and imprisoned Alberto Falcone, the serial killer known as Holiday. Months later, a mass breakout at Arkham Asylum occurred, orchestrated by Pino and Umberto Maroni, the sons of Sal "The Boss" Maroni. The breakout is staged so in the confusion, the two can find Harvey "Two-Face" Dent and kill him as a peace-offering to Sofia Gigante Falcone. In the aftermath, Alberto is granted conditional parole based on his actions during the riot. Soon after, police officers began to die, one on each major holiday, with crude hangman games pinned to their hung corpses... and the facts suggesting that Harvey Dent is the killer.

The new district attorney, Janice Porter, began working on the case while Alberto was put up by his enigmatic brother Mario, who had just returned from exile in Italy. Alberto also took in his sister, Sofia, who barely survived an encounter with Catwoman in The Long Halloween and was confined to a wheelchair due to her injuries. Sofia nevertheless continued to manage the flagging Falcone empire.

As the Hangman's spree of terror escalated, so too did Two-Face's war with Sofia and her family. The collateral damage of the war included the parents of Dick Grayson, who was taken in by Bruce Wayne. Two-Face enlists the aid of his fellow 'freaks' to destroy the remainders of Gotham's Mafia; his lieutenants included The Joker, Scarecrow, The Penguin, The Riddler, Poison Ivy, Mr. Freeze, The Mad Hatter, and Solomon Grundy. Mario, who had an alliance with Janice Porter, was soon faced with isolation as Porter began a secret affair with Two-Face and was eventually slain by him. At the same time, however, Two-Face saved Gordon's life when the Hangman tried to hang him on the Batsignal, stating that he wasn't the killer.

The endgame of the battle came on the following Halloween; Sofia revealed that she was never disabled, and that she committed the Hangman murders, targeting all the cops- whether honest or crooked- who had helped Harvey Dent's career. She then suffocated Alberto to death. She opened the gas lines and set Gotham City ablaze to smoke out Two-Face, who was hiding in the sewers. Saved by Batman, Two-Face turned on Sofia and shot her to death. Escaping to a cordoned-off subterranean area, Two-Face (along with Freeze, Ivy, and the Joker) found themselves in the Batcave.

Batman's secrets would have been laid bare except for the timely intervention of Dick, who had been training in secret. Wearing his old circus uniform, he made his debut as Robin and helped Batman defeat most of the villains. When at last stood Two-Face and Batman, Two-Face stated that Gotham belonged to him. The Joker appeared at the last moment, shooting Two-Face, who falls off a cliff. Robin then helps incapacitate Joker. Elsewhere, Mario Falcone, a lonely broken man, burns down his mansion having lost everything. Catwoman then visits the grave of Carmine Falcone and reveals that Falcone may in fact be her father. It is shown that not only has Two-Face survived, but he has Carmine's body, frozen. In the final pages Batman offers Dick a chance to escape the neverending crusade against crime. Dick refuses and Batman declares that the two are now Batman and Robin. Batman states that he still is following the oath he made to his parents but now he is not alone.

Now you could remove the Robin stuff, change some things around with the mob and possibly have the audience guessing if Harvey is alive or dead but have the murders look like he did it. The Riddler could be behind these murders

Originally Posted by drob127

i dont even know how they could do another one...i hate to be the only one saying this but they basically tied up everything very nicley except for

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the joker

everything else i could see it ending now

Prequel? Something taking place between BB and TDK? Not going to happena and wouldn't make sense. But I agree, it would've been better if they planned this for the 3rd film and had something in between.

Originally Posted by Necross

Exactly. The thing with Spiderman 3 if I recall correctly. Raimi didn't want to do Venom but because fans were clamouring for it, the execs kinda muscled him into doing it, and what happens, fans get pissed with the outcome. I hope they have enough brains to stfu and let him do his thing.

They let him for the first two so I don't see why not. Funny how Nolan came in with only Memento and Insomnia and sold them on letting him have control while Raimi had finished two Spider-Mans and yet couldn't keep Venom out.

Originally Posted by JBond

I know, the villain could be Robin.

What a twist!

That actually happened. With the 2nd Robin. Who came back from the dead.

[Neverending]

Originally Posted by halo7

You would have to convince me how The Penguin in Returns wasn't campy.

He wasn't. He was a bit silly at times, but not campy. I mean...how can that character be campy when his plan was to KILLL CHILDREN. Yes, go back and watch the movie. That was his plan. Child Murders and Camp do not belong in the same sentence.

[Tornado]

Originally Posted by Doomsday

Like I said in the review thread, no one can call the Burton films corny or campy while at the same time overly praising a film where Batman turns 30 million (30,000,000....that's 8 digits) cell phones into sonar devices, gets a basic floorplan of every inch of Gotham, and STILL manages to get a direct location on Joker. If ANYTHING defines corn, it is that. Just think about that for a minute and let it sink in.

That's not corny at all! It may be ridiculously unrealistic, but it's far from being corny or campy.

[Knerys]

Originally Posted by Doomsday

Like I said in the review thread, no one can call the Burton films corny or campy while at the same time overly praising a film where Batman turns 30 million (30,000,000....that's 8 digits) cell phones into sonar devices, gets a basic floorplan of every inch of Gotham, and STILL manages to get a direct location on Joker. If ANYTHING defines corn, it is that. Just think about that for a minute and let it sink in.

How does that define corn? The point was to use the phones to pin point him and .....oh look at that it did! Weren't they using voice recogition to narrow it down as well?


Sorry, but makes sense to me.

[Boiiinng]

They used voice recognition to pinpoint his location, but used the sonar to navigate Batman through the floors of hostages/SWAT. Which is another thing that bothers me, once Batman found out that the clowns were hostages, couldn't he have just phoned Gordon to call off the SWAT attack?

[halo7]

Originally Posted by Boiiinng

They used voice recognition to pinpoint his location, but used the sonar to navigate Batman through the floors of hostages/SWAT. Which is another thing that bothers me, once Batman found out that the clowns were hostages, couldn't he have just phoned Gordon to call off the SWAT attack?

Yeah but which would have made a better scene, Batman calling Gordon and just being like "Stop the SWAT team!" or him stopping the SWAT team himself by beating the **** out of them. I think we know the answer .

[FranklinTard]

^ some more nolan brand 'realism' for ya right there!

[Diablo]

Originally Posted by FranklinTard

^ some more nolan brand 'realism' for ya right there!

At the end of the day it's still a movie.

[Knerys]

Originally Posted by Boiiinng

They used voice recognition to pinpoint his location, but used the sonar to navigate Batman through the floors of hostages/SWAT. Which is another thing that bothers me, once Batman found out that the clowns were hostages, couldn't he have just phoned Gordon to call off the SWAT attack?

I would have liked to see Gordon explain that one away....Besides by the time he figured it out I don't think there would have been enough time. He was busy running around with the ferries.

[Doomsday]

Originally Posted by Knerys

How does that define corn? The point was to use the phones to pin point him and .....oh look at that it did! Weren't they using voice recogition to narrow it down as well?


Sorry, but makes sense to me.

Yeah it makes sense, but it doesn't hide the fact that the entire concept of the sonar, then the little white eyes with Fox's first person shooter aide is still.......absolutely ridiculous. Maybe the excitement is still pumping through the veins of most people, but watch it in a couple years and try not to roll your eyes at just how stupid of a concept it is.

[JBond]

OK, I've stayed silent long enough on the phone thing. I'm confused. I'm going to assume you're aware of the explination behind the first sonar phone early in the movie, correct? That the phones viberated and sent the info back to the phone? Because that's good enough for me for a movie, it's plausible in some sense. I'm going to assume what bothers you is that they were able to get these into everybody's phone somehow in a day or so. I'm not sure, because you keep bringing up the idea of sonar phones, and not that fact that everyone all of the sudden had one.

[DragnFire22]

Plus, they kept hinting at something big.

"The entire R&D department disappeared...."
"Government telecommuncations project..."
Wayne: "I'm keeping this one close to the vest..."

[sshuttari]

I can't wait to watch this on blu-ray with subtitles on so I can finally know what the heck I missed.

[Tornado]

Originally Posted by sshuttari

I can't wait to watch this on blu-ray with subtitles on so I can finally know what the heck I missed.

Haha, no kidding. What the hell did Alfred say when he was on the boat talking to Bruce about the Russian ballerinas? A lot of my theater laughed, but I had no idea at all what he said.

[Knerys]

Originally Posted by Doomsday

Yeah it makes sense, but it doesn't hide the fact that the entire concept of the sonar, then the little white eyes with Fox's first person shooter aide is still.......absolutely ridiculous. Maybe the excitement is still pumping through the veins of most people, but watch it in a couple years and try not to roll your eyes at just how stupid of a concept it is.

The white eyes are homage to the eyes in the comic and Animated Series. I thought it was a nice touch.

And they won't let you bring cell phones into government facilties now because of the potential for eavesdropping. It's not that much of a stretch that they could use sonar to map a room. Especially in the capacity of a movie.

Yes Nolan's going for realism but it's still in a make believe realm.

[JBond]

Originally Posted by Tornado

Haha, no kidding. What the hell did Alfred say when he was on the boat talking to Bruce about the Russian ballerinas? A lot of my theater laughed, but I had no idea at all what he said.

I thought he said "What's Russian for "put your own suntan lotion on"?"

But I couldn't hear a lot, as well.

[Boiiinng]

Originally Posted by DragnFire22

Plus, they kept hinting at something big.

"The entire R&D department disappeared...."
"Government telecommuncations project..."
Wayne: "I'm keeping this one close to the vest..."

I forgot about that stuff. So perhaps the only phones they could use for this were new ones just put into circulation within the past year by companies Wayne owns? But still, he would have to rely on the phones actually being turned on and receiving signals, which is what makes it unbelievable that enough people would be talking on their phone to generate enough sonar to map an image.

[sshuttari]

Originally Posted by Tornado

Haha, no kidding. What the hell did Alfred say when he was on the boat talking to Bruce about the Russian ballerinas? A lot of my theater laughed, but I had no idea at all what he said.

yeah same here, and a lot of other stuff and It annoys me the music was blaring while Gordon was giving his speech at the end scene.

I still don't know what he said completely and I've seen the film twice now.

[DragnFire22]

Originally Posted by Boiiinng

I forgot about that stuff. So perhaps the only phones they could use for this were new ones just put into circulation within the past year by companies Wayne owns? But still, he would have to rely on the phones actually being turned on and receiving signals, which is what makes it unbelievable that enough people would be talking on their phone to generate enough sonar to map an image.

The city is being plagued by a crazy clown terrorist, who has rigged boats with explosives during an evacuation. I'm sure tons of people would be on the phone trying to figure out what to do.

[DragnFire22]

Originally Posted by sshuttari

yeah same here, and a lot of other stuff and It annoys me the music was blaring while Gordon was giving his speech at the end scene.

I still don't know what he said completely and I've seen the film twice now.

I had no problem hearing anything through the movie. I heard Gordon's speech clear as day.