The Dark Knight Rises news and info

[JBond]

Eight years? That many?

[Tornado]

Originally Posted by Nick1988

During the MTV Footage theres the shot of Bane being shot at but the bullets arent even doing anything to him, like he is immune to him....seems to not really fall in with the whole" realism" aspect...infact the whole idea of one man and a bunch of mercenaries overtaking a WHOLE city in of all places America seem as well very far from realism.

Not trying to say its a bad thing just an interesting thing to think about...

Neither of those things bother me, quite honestly. Yeah it's supposed to be a realistic interpretation of Batman, but it's still Batman. I think some suspension of disbelief is required.

[Nick1988]

Originally Posted by Tornado

Neither of those things bother me, quite honestly. Yeah it's supposed to be a realistic interpretation of Batman, but it's still Batman. I think some suspension of disbelief is required.

Well yeah, obviously when your dealing with a comic book character, some suspension of disbelief is warranted, i meant more how Nolan has tried to avoid those "fantasy" type elements you see in other comic book movies but making the characters a bit more grounded, Bane being almost invincible isn't as grounded, but then again we don't know anything about the character,i am basing this soley off a mili second shot and some info we have learned through interviews and what not.

[Ayemef]

well the movies have never been that realistic to begin with

secret lair of ninjas in the Himalayas plotting to destroy cities with a microwave emitter and fear toxin

Batman and Rachel jumping off a skyscraper. They fell from the top story! And crash-landed on a Taxi! Yet they were both unharmed! Yet he limps from a minor short fall at the end of the same film

[Obscure Jack]

Originally Posted by Nick1988

During the MTV Footage theres the shot of Bane being shot at but the bullets arent even doing anything to him, like he is immune to him....seems to not really fall in with the whole" realism" aspect...infact the whole idea of one man and a bunch of mercenaries overtaking a WHOLE city in of all places America seem as well very far from realism.

Not trying to say its a bad thing just an interesting thing to think about...

I personally believe Nolan was never really intending to have Batman in our real world. Otherwise, he would make a sort of mockumentary with some Cannon on hands and have Batman's outfit less hi-tech.

What I believe is that Nolan attempted to bring Batman only close to what our world is like. Certainly, like any other director, Nolan has his own vision and, thus, his own world where stories take place. I mean going back to BB, if you remember Narrows, it was more like what Blade Runner would be in early 2000s. Same with TDK, in which you mix settings of different cities, including even UK. It is not New York, neither it is Chicago or London. It is Gotham. And, although there aim is to make it as close to our reality as possible, it is still the city that exists in imagination only.

So, I'd say Nolan's Batman is not in our reality, but rather in the one, in which he feels the most comfortable (or, maybe opposite) in. It is the world, in which a rich man dresses like a bat, a guy with clown make-up figuring as the terrorist #1 and a whole league of ninjas making up conquest plans. It is the reality of Batman and if you have a character like Bane feeling nothing to bullets, I will believe in it as long as Bane himself is the character that seems at least possible in my imagination of what such man would be like in Nolan's world (basing, of course, on those that we have seen in the previous films).

[Obscure Jack]

Originally Posted by JBond

Eight years? That many?

I actually dig this idea. The trilogy is indeed covering the larger part of Wayne's life and the beginning and end of his alter ego.

Originally Posted by Ayemef

well the movies have never been that realistic to begin with

secret lair of ninjas in the Himalayas plotting to destroy cities with a microwave emitter and fear toxin

Batman and Rachel jumping off a skyscraper. They fell from the top story! And crash-landed on a Taxi! Yet they were both unharmed! Yet he limps from a minor short fall at the end of the same film

It does seem kind of forced dramatization in the story, especially when you see him doing such stuns in BB as well.

[Ayemef]

it's like, what Nolan, did you think we were not going to notice?

[Tornado]

The only thing that kind of bugs me about that scene is that the Joker and his goons were still upstairs when Batman jumped out after Rachel... and the gang just left? I always assumed that the Joker probably knew the cops were on the way and he was under the impression that Dent was either Batman or not at the party so he had no real reason to stick around... but I always thought they should have specified what happened there.

[Tornado]

It's long been a rumor and the evidence should really have only been that all of Christopher Nolan's other Batman films are equally as long, but we now know the official run time of The Dark Knight Rises.

According to The British Board of Film Classification, the official runtime is 164 minutes and 27 seconds, just over 2 hours and 44 minutes. Batman Begins was 140 minutes long and The Dark Knight was 152 minutes.

Leading an all-star international cast, Oscar winner Christian Bale again plays the dual role of Bruce Wayne/Batman. The film also stars Anne Hathaway as Selina Kyle; Tom Hardy as Bane; Oscar winner Marion Cotillard as Miranda Tate; and Joseph Gordon-Levitt as John Blake. Returning to the main cast, Oscar winner Michael Caine plays Alfred; Gary Oldman is Commissioner Gordon; and Oscar winner Morgan Freeman reprises the role of Lucius Fox.

The Dark Knight Rises opens in theaters and IMAX on July 20.

We talked about this before, but now it's confirmed. That's a pretty epic running time.

[EdReedFan20]

Huh, each sequel is exactly 12 minutes longer than its predecessor.

[Fresh Prince]

Originally Posted by Obscure Jack

I personally believe Nolan was never really intending to have Batman in our real world. Otherwise, he would make a sort of mockumentary with some Cannon on hands and have Batman's outfit less hi-tech.

What I believe is that Nolan attempted to bring Batman only close to what our world is like. Certainly, like any other director, Nolan has his own vision and, thus, his own world where stories take place. I mean going back to BB, if you remember Narrows, it was more like what Blade Runner would be in early 2000s. Same with TDK, in which you mix settings of different cities, including even UK. It is not New York, neither it is Chicago or London. It is Gotham. And, although there aim is to make it as close to our reality as possible, it is still the city that exists in imagination only.

So, I'd say Nolan's Batman is not in our reality, but rather in the one, in which he feels the most comfortable (or, maybe opposite) in. It is the world, in which a rich man dresses like a bat, a guy with clown make-up figuring as the terrorist #1 and a whole league of ninjas making up conquest plans. It is the reality of Batman and if you have a character like Bane feeling nothing to bullets, I will believe in it as long as Bane himself is the character that seems at least possible in my imagination of what such man would be like in Nolan's world (basing, of course, on those that we have seen in the previous films).

Nolan has taken some inspiration from Blade Runner with his Batman films.

[Obscure Jack]

Originally Posted by Fresh Prince

Nolan has taken some inspiration from Blade Runner with his Batman films.

Exactly, he did screen BR to the cast & crew when the filming began.

My point is that TDK films are aimed to come closer to the real world we live in. But, by no means the criticism they are different from our real world is valid, since it is not our real world. Gotham is there on its own. It has its own architecture, settings, events and even physics.

[Fresh Prince]

Originally Posted by Obscure Jack

Exactly, he did screen BR to the cast & crew when the filming began.

My point is that TDK films are aimed to come closer to the real world we live in. But, by no means the criticism they are different from our real world is valid, since it is not our real world. Gotham is there on its own. It has its own architecture, settings, events and even physics.

Its a hyper realistic world, with realistic things but still done in a way that most of that stuff could not happen in real life and if it did would have different results. Gotham City does have its own thing but it is still like a realistic american city. Why I like nolans Gotham so much, cause it has the look and feel of an actual city. Burtons Gotham felt like it was city in a crystal ball, and Schumakers felt like some terrible sci fi/futurisitc alien city.

[Tornado]

The only problem I have with Nolan's Gotham is that, as somebody who has spent a lot of time in Chicago, it's very clearly the Windy City. But you're going to have that, and I've always been proud of the fact that Nolan chose a city I really identify with to stand in for the home of Batman.

[Ayemef]

Gotham should NEVER have the look and feel of an actual american city

it should be, at all times, a very fantasy driven and structured city

sure, it should have similiarities with Chicago, but not look exactly like Chicago

that's why Nolan's Gotham will always fail as "Gotham City".

[FilmJerk]

What I love about Nolans films, moreso with TDK than BB, is that if you strip away the costumes and make up, it could become a cop drama. Its really a cop movie blanketed by a superhero movie.

[MasterChief117]

Originally Posted by Ayemef

Gotham should NEVER have the look and feel of an actual american city

it should be, at all times, a very fantasy driven and structured city

sure, it should have similiarities with Chicago, but not look exactly like Chicago

that's why Nolan's Gotham will always fail as "Gotham City".

Trivial complaint. The Avengers mocked Cleveland to 'look' like Manhattan, and clearly IT DID NOT but not once did it ever get hit for that.


I think that falls under the 'nitpicky territory'.

[Tornado]

Originally Posted by Ayemef

Gotham should NEVER have the look and feel of an actual american city

it should be, at all times, a very fantasy driven and structured city

sure, it should have similiarities with Chicago, but not look exactly like Chicago

that's why Nolan's Gotham will always fail as "Gotham City".

But the Nolanverse is not fantasy-based, why would Gotham be fantastical? This isn't the Burton/Schumacher world where it makes sense to have a very gothic Gotham. And we certainly don't want a Gotham illuminated in neon lights either.

[saveus1011]

I guess Raimi's New York fails because it looks like Chicago.

[Ayemef]

Originally Posted by saveus1011

I guess Raimi's New York fails because it looks like Chicago.

reaching with that one aren't we?

I said "GOTHAM" shouldn't look exactly like Chicago

don't bring anything Marvel related into the conversation

[PG Cooper]

Originally Posted by Ayemef

Gotham should NEVER have the look and feel of an actual american city

it should be, at all times, a very fantasy driven and structured city

sure, it should have similiarities with Chicago, but not look exactly like Chicago

that's why Nolan's Gotham will always fail as "Gotham City".

Originally Posted by Tornado

But the Nolanverse is not fantasy-based, why would Gotham be fantastical? This isn't the Burton/Schumacher world where it makes sense to have a very gothic Gotham. And we certainly don't want a Gotham illuminated in neon lights either.

Exactly.

I see why people take issue with Nolan's Gotham, but the fact is his intention was always to make Gotham feel like a real city.

[Ayemef]

and I understand that, but its always been one of my 3 main gripes with his interpretation

[Tolkien]

But that's exactly what it is; 'his' interpretation. Burton had his, Schumacher had his, and now Nolan has his. It's not about how it's 'supposed' to be, it's about what works. And right now, for this particular series, IT WORKS.

[Ayemef]

O-K

and it's a good thing this series is officially over

thank god

[Obscure Jack]

Originally Posted by Tolkien

But that's exactly what it is; 'his' interpretation. Burton had his, Schumacher had his, and now Nolan has his. It's not about how it's 'supposed' to be, it's about what works. And right now, for this particular series, IT WORKS.

Amen!