The Hobbit discussion - Page 3

droidsocket · 04-29-2007, 03:29 AM

IanTheCool....Thank you for making a very important point for me! LOL

"the best adaptions not only show the events of the book, but also capture the tone" Your words.

"but the battle doesn't have to be a helms deep type battle either." Also your words.

What really makes me frustrated is when people make comments like these. Because is shows a lack of knowledge when it comes to the books....You completely contradicted yourself with these two statements....

Because you are saying that if the movie is to succeed you need to stay close to the book....Well if Pj would have stayed close to the book with the Two Towers, Helms Deep would have been a 10 minute fight...instead of the epic battle we fans drule about.....Why because Tolkien invested less then a full chapter to that battle....

People love to throw the blame at Pj when he changes things in ways they don't like..but don't say much when he changes things in ways that make them way better on film..

Don't get me wrong the books are wonderful in there own right...but they are books...they work altogether differently then films do.. And i am one that is truly happy that they changed the way the movies transferred to screen..because i am pretty sure that a 4 hour film with 20min of fighting and the rest wondering around would bore the tears out of me.

So does the Battle of five armies need to be filmed as epic and kick ass as helms deep...no...but why not...it would make it that much better of a film.

Dogbert0228 · 05-22-2007, 12:06 AM

I just re-read FOTR and then rewatched the film. All the small Hobbit references are so wonderful and make for amazing continuity and entertainment. They also lead me to believe that PJ always had it in mind to make The Hobbit in a few years (including the fact that he kept the Bag End set intact). Also seeing Ian Holm in FOTR, 6 year ago, but they would still be just fine having him as Bilbo. He's spry and fit and the perfect actor, and continuity would just be amazing. MGM needs to get their act together. Start using some of that damn Bond fortune to finance and obtain this film the way it needs to be!

Fanible · 08-10-2007, 07:15 PM

Finally, some good news:

Quote:

Originally Posted by CS!

Peter Jackson to Return for The Hobbit?

New Line Cinema has given "The Lord of the Rings" fans, who want to see director Peter Jackson return for The Hobbit, some hope. Speaking to the Los Angeles Times, studio founder Bob Shaye commented on the matter:

Eager to move ahead with "The Hobbit," New Line has quietly been trying to mend fences with "Rings" filmmaker Peter Jackson, who has sued the company over his share of profits from the first "Rings" films. When asked if it was true that company insiders had been in talks with Jackson's reps, Shaye replied, "Yes, that's a fair statement. Notwithstanding our personal quarrels, I really respect and admire Peter and would love for him to be creatively involved in some way in 'The Hobbit.'"

According to Stuff.co.nz, Ian McKellen also said there was no doubt that a rumored reprisal of his Gandalf role in a film version of The Hobbit would be discussed with Jackson and [Fran] Walsh.

The site contacted Jackson's spokesman, who added: "Peter and Fran have always wanted to 'The Hobbit' but whether that happens is yet to be decided."

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Originally Posted by Stuff

Peter Jackson may make The Hobbit after all, despite a financial battle with the studio that commissioned him to film The Lord of the Rings.

Bob Shaye, head of New Line Cinema, has told The Los Angeles Times that the studio - which Jackson has sued for profits from The Lord of the Rings trilogy - has been in talks with Jackson's representatives in a bid to mend fences and get him to direct The Hobbit.

"Notwithstanding our personal quarrels, I really respect and admire Peter and would love for him to be creatively involved in some way in The Hobbit," Mr Shaye said.

He had previously labelled Jackson as "arrogant", while Jackson and partner Fran Walsh took the unusual step of issuing a long statement on the internet last year declaring that because of clashes with New Line they had "no choice but to let the idea of a film of The Hobbit go".

British actor Sir Ian McKellen, who played the wizard Gandalf in the trilogy, is in Wellington to perform with the Royal Shakespeare Company.

At a news conference on Thursday, he said there was no doubt that a rumoured reprisal of his Gandalf role in a film version of The Hobbit would be discussed with Jackson and Walsh.

Jackson's spokesman said last night: "Peter and Fran have always wanted to do The Hobbit but whether that happens is yet to be decided."

http://www.latimes.com/entertainment...ck=1&cset=true

http://www.stuff.co.nz/4160162a1860.html

Sora Kahn · 08-10-2007, 11:21 PM

^Thank god. Nothing against Raimi, but Jackson would handle this better.

Nimrandir · 08-10-2007, 11:46 PM

I just read this this afternoon. Excellent news!
And yes, offense to Raimi...no No one but PJ should do The Hobbit

A light in the darkness..."Hope endures."

DarthVader 2004 · 08-11-2007, 12:55 AM

I think Jackson was teh only one not sweating here about The Hobbit. New Line said a release date of 2009 and they need to make the films soon.
So they May have to get Jackson to do it for not many but directors like to take over such trilogies as this one except for the Ratner, and Schumacers of teh world and lets prey no one like them would get the Hobbit.

Sora Kahn · 08-11-2007, 01:01 AM

*shivers at the thought of a Schumacher Hobbit film*

FVD · 08-11-2007, 07:14 AM

Ah finally some great news. What the hell changed Shaye's mind? Is Jackson and Mark Ordesky still friends despite this unfortunate incident? Bury the hatchet fellas. Give the fans what they want. You all know it.

And please let this go ahead. The Hobbit must be PJ's next project after the Lovely Bones. I was never really interested in the Halo movie either. Anyway they can start building up Hobbiton again soon anyway before Transpower installs those bloody pylons across the Waikato. Sadly the pylons are officially going ahead so I suggest Wingnut Films, Grant Major etc better get a move on soon.

Dogbert0228 · 08-11-2007, 06:33 PM

What changed Shaye's mind? I'm only guessing, but it might have something to do with this recent quote:

"....oh God I'm not swimming enough gold coins! Give me more! I don't care how much of a douche I've been to Peter Jackson... Give me more gold. God I love my money, we need to do this Hobbit sh** right now!"

DarthVader 2004 · 08-11-2007, 09:41 PM

I heard that Jackson may produce and write but Sam Raimi could still direct it.
If you think about it that would be a Lucas and Spielberg pairing lik in Indy only its Raimi and Jackson.
I'd be for that for The Hobbit.

FVD · 08-12-2007, 12:25 AM

Jackson and Raimi? Hmm I suppose I wouldn't have a problem with that. I read somewhere that Raimi would direct but with PJ's blessing. I'm sure Jackson wouldn't object to that.

As long as PJ writes the screenplay and handles everything else then I wouldn't be too worried. Pretty much the same crew would still be behind it.

But where does that leave MGM? Would they let Raimi direct if PJ still has some involvement in the film? And will there still be two films as previously rumoured?

vader4902 · 08-12-2007, 12:48 PM

I hope it becomes real.

vortep · 08-18-2007, 03:05 PM

I want to see that movie!!!!If it's like the Lord of the rings it will be freakin owsome!

Cristo · 08-21-2007, 08:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vortep

I want to see that movie!!!!If it's like the Lord of the rings it will be freakin owsome!

First-time poster.

Oh, I feel so sad right now. Did any of you guys read Jackson's comments on AICN? I'm sure that you think since Jackson did a marvelous job with the LOTR books, he would likewise do a splendid job with the Hobbit. But Jackson detracted greatly from the light feeling of the LOTR source material (I mean, the transition is brutal, a dark beginning, 20 minutes of light, a dark movie for the rest of it).

And, I think a lot of the posters supporting Jackson's ideas just want an LOTR 0. The Hobbit would do just fine in the vein of Star Wars OT and it would be just fine as a PG movie. But, "make it for the adults"? This is madness! The Hobbit is essentially LOTR "for kids". And Jackson's ideas basically make a LOTR 0.

I, personally, like the LOTR movies but I don't want an LOTR 0. I want a Hobbit movie.

Fanible · 08-21-2007, 02:10 PM

I thought the Hobbit story in general was pretty scary at times.
At least I'd imagine it being slightly anyway, adapted to live-action.

Scorpio82 · 08-21-2007, 02:23 PM

I'd rather see the Hobbit the way Tolkien first imagined it. Back then when the One Ring was just "a ring," the Dark Lord was a side-note, and the only thing anybody had to worry about was slaying a dragon and finding treasure.

With the Battle of Five Armies, the goblin underground, and the giant spiders, it'd be impossible to make it more family-friendly than LOTR. It'd still be just as violent and scary, only without the slow-motion soul possession shots, or dark cloaked figures riding around. At best, it'd be more of a fun action-adventure than a 3-part epic story.

XtRaVa · 08-21-2007, 02:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Sora Kahn

Well, i guess they remember his work on Hercules and Xena and that's why they are considering. He could do a good job....I guess.

Surely those two shows would make them NEVER consider him?

keefies · 08-21-2007, 04:20 PM

The problem is continuity. Fans will want it, PJ will prolly put it in, and truthfully, it isn't there. The Hobbit and LOTR are different, with overlap. The Hobbit simply isn't "what started" LOTR... it's a seperate, much lighter story.

PJ can do lighthearted, but truthfully, if they make this movie to make a fourth LOTR picture, they're better off not making it or letting a different crew take over, because it'd be a bastardization of the book and a waste of time.

I don't even like Tolkien's books very much.. but the last thing we need is The Hobbit being morphed in to a direct prequel with the exact same mood as the trilogy. That'd be asinine and, even (or especially) on PJ's part, a way to make a ****load of money.

Until I hear PJ say clearly that he wants to make The Hobbit as it is, independent of the trilogy, I'm worried about the movie no matter who directs.

As for Raimi... he's in serious need of a small budget and having new ideas demanded of him. Living off a huge franchise has not been good for his filmmaking.

Tolkien · 08-21-2007, 04:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by keefies

Until I hear PJ say clearly that he wants to make The Hobbit as it is, independent of the trilogy, I'm worried about the movie no matter who directs.

How can Peter Jackson make this film independant of the trilogy? Yes, it is a very seperate and independant book, but how is he supposed to incorporate this into film? I mean, it's got to have the same feel that LOTR did, because it's the same universe. It's got to have the same actors (if they are willing) or else it will be a mockery for fans of the previous films. Explain to me how exactly is he supposed to make this movie about Middle-Earth and not have it hold the same feelings as the trilogy did? Explain that to me.

You're dealing with a hardcore Tolkien fan here, so make it good.

Cristo · 08-21-2007, 04:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tolkien

How can Peter Jackson make this film independant of the trilogy? Yes, it is a very seperate and independant book, but how is he supposed to incorporate this into film? I mean, it's got to have the same feel that LOTR did, because it's the same universe. It's got to have the same actors (if they are willing) or else it will be a mockery for fans of the previous films. Explain to me how exactly is he supposed to make this movie about Middle-Earth and not have it hold the same feelings as the trilogy did? Explain that to me.

You're dealing with a hardcore Tolkien fan here, so make it good.

No, it doesn't.

That's like saying "Pulp Fiction" has got to be like "The Godfather" because it's in the same universe.

That's like saying "White Chicks" and "The Shawshank Redemption" oughta be alike since they're in the same universe.

keefies · 08-21-2007, 04:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tolkien

How can Peter Jackson make this film independant of the trilogy? Yes, it is a very seperate and independant book, but how is he supposed to incorporate this into film? I mean, it's got to have the same feel that LOTR did, because it's the same universe. It's got to have the same actors (if they are willing) or else it will be a mockery for fans of the previous films. Explain to me how exactly is he supposed to make this movie about Middle-Earth and not have it hold the same feelings as the trilogy did? Explain that to me.

You're dealing with a hardcore Tolkien fan here, so make it good.

It can be the same universe, aesthetically and in casting, without adopting the epic, grim tone of the trilogy. That tone was necessary for the trilogy when, really, the entire world was at stake.

The Hobbit should be lighter. A lighter time for the world of middle earth, and a lighter touch to the storytelling. I'm not saying recast and redraw the world, I'm saying don't tell it the same way you told the trilogy, within that world. Otherwise it isn't worth it, from a creative standpoint.

That said, I have no doubt that if PJ, or Raimi, or anyone else capable working off a good script does the opposite of what I'd like to see and makes a Hobbit movie that strives to be a proper prequel and mimics the tone of the trilogy that it will be a good movie. I just don't see the point. We have that movie, do the other side of the coin. LOTR books were as lighthearted as they were series, but not so for the movies, so let's bring some joy and fun in to that world with The Hobbit. Really make the Hobbit, not just a 4th LOTR, or it's a cashcow instead of a proper film, even if PJ directs. That's all I mean.

Tolkien · 08-21-2007, 05:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cristo

No, it doesn't.

That's like saying "Pulp Fiction" has got to be like "The Godfather" because it's in the same universe.

That's like saying "White Chicks" and "The Shawshank Redemption" oughta be alike since they're in the same universe.

None of those films are in the same universe you smart ass. How does that post explain how three books from the same Middle-Earth are supposed to be held apart from the fourth book just because it has a seperate storyline different from that of the main trilogy? Of course the film doesn't have to have anything to do with the trilogy, I know that. I've read the book. But it's a Middle-Earth story and thus should hold somewhat of the same feel. White Chicks and Shawshank Redemption? Are you insane?

Tolkien · 08-21-2007, 05:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by keefies

It can be the same universe, aesthetically and in casting, without adopting the epic, grim tone of the trilogy. That tone was necessary for the trilogy when, really, the entire world was at stake.

The Hobbit should be lighter. A lighter time for the world of middle earth, and a lighter touch to the storytelling. I'm not saying recast and redraw the world, I'm saying don't tell it the same way you told the trilogy, within that world. Otherwise it isn't worth it, from a creative standpoint.

That said, I have no doubt that if PJ, or Raimi, or anyone else capable working off a good script does the opposite of what I'd like to see and makes a Hobbit movie that strives to be a proper prequel and mimics the tone of the trilogy that it will be a good movie. I just don't see the point. We have that movie, do the other side of the coin. LOTR books were as lighthearted as they were series, but not so for the movies, so let's bring some joy and fun in to that world with The Hobbit. Really make the Hobbit, not just a 4th LOTR, or it's a cashcow instead of a proper film, even if PJ directs. That's all I mean.

I understand that, but if need be, I think Jackson understand's the story enough to make it a much, much lighter film the he made the previous three. I know he made the previous three much darker then the books made them out to be, but it worked. Like you said, the whole world in that story was at stake, so the tone of the films transfered very nicely. It gave us the feel that each character had been going through. But I think that Jackson is wise enough to adapt this into film more lightly then the trilogy.

Sora Kahn · 08-21-2007, 05:48 PM

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Originally Posted by XtRaVa

Surely those two shows would make them NEVER consider him?

hmm, afraid their going to have Gandalf flip over somebody's head?

Well, Hollywood is soon going to have Dinos with guns. I guess flipping wizards is next.

Necross · 08-21-2007, 09:40 PM

PJ understands tolkien's writing and the mood for his books. He won't screw up the Hobbit.

05-22-2007, 12:06 AM	#52
Dogbert0228 There and back again... Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Seattle Posts: 3,564	I just re-read FOTR and then rewatched the film. All the small Hobbit references are so wonderful and make for amazing continuity and entertainment. They also lead me to believe that PJ always had it in mind to make The Hobbit in a few years (including the fact that he kept the Bag End set intact). Also seeing Ian Holm in FOTR, 6 year ago, but they would still be just fine having him as Bilbo. He's spry and fit and the perfect actor, and continuity would just be amazing. MGM needs to get their act together. Start using some of that damn Bond fortune to finance and obtain this film the way it needs to be! __________________ "You either die a hero or live long enough to see yourself become the villain....I'm whatever Gotham needs me to be." -Batman ---The Dark Knight--- www.theboringthings.com

08-10-2007, 11:21 PM	#54
Sora Kahn ()1(((1]]]]8{{{{{0]]\\]]]8\} Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Lakewood, California Posts: 1,749	^Thank god. Nothing against Raimi, but Jackson would handle this better. __________________ I have come to slay the darkness! I am the defender of the light. I am the keyblade master!

08-10-2007, 11:46 PM	#55
Nimrandir Maiaron i Oiosaila Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: No lasting abode, in the past-Lorien in Valinor Posts: 5,727	I just read this this afternoon. Excellent news! And yes, offense to Raimi...no No one but PJ should do The Hobbit A light in the darkness..."Hope endures." __________________ *"All you have to decide is what to do with the time that is given to you."*

08-11-2007, 01:01 AM	#57
Sora Kahn ()1(((1]]]]8{{{{{0]]\\]]]8\} Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Lakewood, California Posts: 1,749	shivers at the thought of a Schumacher Hobbit film __________________ I have come to slay the darkness! I am the defender of the light. I am the keyblade master!

08-11-2007, 07:14 AM	#58
FVD The Pineapple Thief Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Perth, Western Australia Posts: 10,568	Ah finally some great news. What the hell changed Shaye's mind? Is Jackson and Mark Ordesky still friends despite this unfortunate incident? Bury the hatchet fellas. Give the fans what they want. You all know it. And please let this go ahead. The Hobbit must be PJ's next project after the Lovely Bones. I was never really interested in the Halo movie either. Anyway they can start building up Hobbiton again soon anyway before Transpower installs those bloody pylons across the Waikato. Sadly the pylons are officially going ahead so I suggest Wingnut Films, Grant Major etc better get a move on soon. __________________ *“I'm an Alien, I'm a Legal Alien, I'm a New Zealander in Perth....”* I do not want what is not mine.... I only need what comes from within....

04-29-2007, 03:29 AM	#51
droidsocket Boom Operator Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Middle of Canada Posts: 58	IanTheCool....Thank you for making a very important point for me! LOL "the best adaptions not only show the events of the book, but also capture the tone" Your words. "but the battle doesn't have to be a helms deep type battle either." Also your words. What really makes me frustrated is when people make comments like these. Because is shows a lack of knowledge when it comes to the books....You completely contradicted yourself with these two statements.... Because you are saying that if the movie is to succeed you need to stay close to the book....Well if Pj would have stayed close to the book with the Two Towers, Helms Deep would have been a 10 minute fight...instead of the epic battle we fans drule about.....Why because Tolkien invested less then a full chapter to that battle.... People love to throw the blame at Pj when he changes things in ways they don't like..but don't say much when he changes things in ways that make them way better on film.. Don't get me wrong the books are wonderful in there own right...but they are books...they work altogether differently then films do.. And i am one that is truly happy that they changed the way the movies transferred to screen..because i am pretty sure that a 4 hour film with 20min of fighting and the rest wondering around would bore the tears out of me. So does the Battle of five armies need to be filmed as epic and kick ass as helms deep...no...but why not...it would make it that much better of a film.

08-11-2007, 12:55 AM	#56
DarthVader 2004 Executive Producer Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: West Virginia Posts: 13,562	I think Jackson was teh only one not sweating here about The Hobbit. New Line said a release date of 2009 and they need to make the films soon. So they May have to get Jackson to do it for not many but directors like to take over such trilogies as this one except for the Ratner, and Schumacers of teh world and lets prey no one like them would get the Hobbit.

08-11-2007, 06:33 PM	#59
Dogbert0228 There and back again... Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Seattle Posts: 3,564	What changed Shaye's mind? I'm only guessing, but it might have something to do with this recent quote: "....oh God I'm not swimming enough gold coins! Give me more! I don't care how much of a douche I've been to Peter Jackson... Give me more gold. God I love my money, we need to do this Hobbit sh** right now!" __________________ "You either die a hero or live long enough to see yourself become the villain....I'm whatever Gotham needs me to be." -Batman ---The Dark Knight--- www.theboringthings.com

08-11-2007, 09:41 PM	#60
DarthVader 2004 Executive Producer Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: West Virginia Posts: 13,562	I heard that Jackson may produce and write but Sam Raimi could still direct it. If you think about it that would be a Lucas and Spielberg pairing lik in Indy only its Raimi and Jackson. I'd be for that for The Hobbit.

08-12-2007, 12:25 AM	#61
FVD The Pineapple Thief Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Perth, Western Australia Posts: 10,568	Jackson and Raimi? Hmm I suppose I wouldn't have a problem with that. I read somewhere that Raimi would direct but with PJ's blessing. I'm sure Jackson wouldn't object to that. As long as PJ writes the screenplay and handles everything else then I wouldn't be too worried. Pretty much the same crew would still be behind it. But where does that leave MGM? Would they let Raimi direct if PJ still has some involvement in the film? And will there still be two films as previously rumoured? __________________ *“I'm an Alien, I'm a Legal Alien, I'm a New Zealander in Perth....”* I do not want what is not mine.... I only need what comes from within....

08-12-2007, 12:48 PM	#62
vader4902 Grip Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Portugal Posts: 11	I hope it becomes real.

08-18-2007, 03:05 PM	#63
vortep Key Grip Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 33	I want to see that movie!!!!If it's like the Lord of the rings it will be freakin owsome!

08-21-2007, 02:10 PM	#65
Fanible FanFreakinTastic Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Oh, hi yo Posts: 15,893	I thought the Hobbit story in general was pretty scary at times. At least I'd imagine it being slightly anyway, adapted to live-action. __________________ My movie addiction is life controlling

08-21-2007, 02:23 PM	#66
Scorpio82 Executive Producer Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 596	I'd rather see the Hobbit the way Tolkien first imagined it. Back then when the One Ring was just "a ring," the Dark Lord was a side-note, and the only thing anybody had to worry about was slaying a dragon and finding treasure. With the Battle of Five Armies, the goblin underground, and the giant spiders, it'd be impossible to make it more family-friendly than LOTR. It'd still be just as violent and scary, only without the slow-motion soul possession shots, or dark cloaked figures riding around. At best, it'd be more of a fun action-adventure than a 3-part epic story.

08-21-2007, 04:20 PM	#68
keefies Grip Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Texas Posts: 10	The problem is continuity. Fans will want it, PJ will prolly put it in, and truthfully, it isn't there. The Hobbit and LOTR are different, with overlap. The Hobbit simply isn't "what started" LOTR... it's a seperate, much lighter story. PJ can do lighthearted, but truthfully, if they make this movie to make a fourth LOTR picture, they're better off not making it or letting a different crew take over, because it'd be a bastardization of the book and a waste of time. I don't even like Tolkien's books very much.. but the last thing we need is The Hobbit being morphed in to a direct prequel with the exact same mood as the trilogy. That'd be asinine and, even (or especially) on PJ's part, a way to make a ****load of money. Until I hear PJ say clearly that he wants to make The Hobbit as it is, independent of the trilogy, I'm worried about the movie no matter who directs. As for Raimi... he's in serious need of a small budget and having new ideas demanded of him. Living off a huge franchise has not been good for his filmmaking. __________________ "Kaitlin thinks I'm claustrophobic, but that's not true - I love elevators and small cars. What I don't like is being exposed to unfiltered social contact, like at parties or meetings, when just anyone can talk to you with no other reason than that you happen to be there." - JPod, by Douglas Coupland.

08-21-2007, 09:40 PM	#75
Necross Master Fanboy Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Made it back, missing the two I loved most. Posts: 10,862	PJ understands tolkien's writing and the mood for his books. He won't screw up the Hobbit. __________________ Charlie's Greatist Hits 5. The First Time I Heard Myself On The Radio 4. Dad Teaching Me To Swim at Butlins 3. The Christmas Liam Gave Me The Ring 2. Woman Outside Covent Gardens Calls Me a Hero 1. The Night I Met You. "...realized I really like Charlie, something about him that's just so adorable and sweet. Even in a scary place like this, Charlie makes me feel safe."