What happened to OBi-wan

urnothinglikeme · 05-07-2005, 12:23 AM

I am here asking the question that for many years people have asked. Does anyone know what happend to obi-wan on episode 4 when he fought vader?

Jason Krueger · 05-07-2005, 12:38 AM

To put it simple, He was ready for death and he was strong in the force. So when Vader killed him, he became one with the force.

urnothinglikeme · 05-07-2005, 12:49 AM

i dont think vader killed him i thought he just dissappeared

Nimrandir · 05-07-2005, 12:51 AM

In that moment of death he instantly joined with the force. He had to die to do it.

urnothinglikeme · 05-07-2005, 12:59 AM

was his purpose of fighting to die and how do you u guys find this out

neo5595 · 05-07-2005, 01:31 AM

maybe the only way to join the force is to die. He knew the Vader duel wouldnt go anywhere, so maybe he thought that was a good time to die, i guess.

Nimrandir · 05-07-2005, 01:35 AM

There really is not real reason to say why he sacrificed himself. The main idea is that he would influence Luke by doing it to fight with emotion against the empire, and that he could more easily help him in that form. Both of these reasons can be dismantled. But the real reason was that GL had to kill him off becuase he didn't have anything left for Obi-wan to do of significance. A poor choice to waste the greatest SW charecter.

daniel9 · 05-07-2005, 06:08 AM

well it has alot to do with what quigonjinn taught yoda

urnothinglikeme · 05-07-2005, 07:47 AM

what did quigon teach yoda

Mr. Frodo · 05-07-2005, 08:01 AM

how to become 1 with the force.

kieran · 05-07-2005, 08:19 AM

He came back to Yoda as a spirit in ep3 when yoda was speaking ti the force telling him how to retain ones identity after death.

urnothinglikeme · 05-07-2005, 08:24 AM

so when i see the movie i am goin to see that happen?

urnothinglikeme · 05-07-2005, 08:26 AM

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Originally Posted by kieran

He came back to Yoda as a spirit in ep3 when yoda was speaking ti the force telling him how to retain ones identity after death.

did you just tell me a spoiler?

Nimrandir · 05-07-2005, 09:04 AM

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so when i see the movie i am goin to see that happen?

Yes.

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did you just tell me a spoiler?

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Fanible · 05-07-2005, 09:04 AM

Most of the spirit/death/one-with-the-force thing is a mystery. GL is supposedly going to explain it's loose ends in Episode 3. Concerning the disappearance durring Obi-Wan and Yoda's deaths, as well as (atleast hopefully), why Qui-Gon didn't disappear also.

The only real issues with it occured once the prequels came out (Qui-Gon dying and not disappearing, and then also not showing up as a spirit). Until the prequels, there wasn't a general issue with it, besides Vader/Anakin not disappearing, which could be just filled in the blank at the time that it was simply because he was so much on the dark side until his death.

Nimrandir · 05-07-2005, 09:09 AM

It appears that unfortunetly it is not in the movie and will remain a mystery. Most reviews have said that it was done most abruptly about the force ghost issue. No, Qui-gon, just yoda saying a sentance later in the movie. Perhaps the DVD will have it. But, then it may be better to leave it as a mystery, it is more romantic that was, and besides GL might make the same mistake as with the mideclorians.

Fanible · 05-07-2005, 09:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Nimrandir

It appears that unfortunetly it is not in the movie and will remain a mystery. Most reviews have said that it was done most abruptly about the force ghost issue. No, Qui-gon, just yoda saying a sentance later in the movie. Perhaps the DVD will have it. But, then it may be better to leave it as a mystery, it is more romantic that was, and besides GL might make the same mistake as with the mideclorians.

Or maybe reviewers are being nice enough not to spoil it? *shrugs*

It's "general" mystery from the OT's I don't mind, and was good that way. But right now it's just confusing, I think. So I for one would like it slightly more explained. If it's not in the movie they better put it on the DVD. Otherwise GL's definition of a final "explanation" is a bit off... (or he lied).

Miasma · 05-07-2005, 09:13 AM

Obi-Wan really accomplished nothing by committing suicide in that duel.

First of all, he could have told Luke about Yoda even if he had lived, and he could have instructed Luke to turn off his X-Wing instruments during the Death Star trench by using a comlink (just like that other rebel did when he asked Luke, "You turned off your computer, Luke, is everything alright?") So for people who say it helped him guide Luke, I have to disagree.

Second, he comes right out and tells Luke he won't help him when he confronts Vader. Gee, thanks a lot. And when Luke is ready to plunge to his death beneath Cloud City, he again does nothing useful.

And, some people think that Ben assumed it would give Luke more incentive to fight the empire if he saw Ben being killed. Yeah, that's great, Ben, fill the kid with hatred... have you learned nothing?

So, the whole thing is pretty feeble.

Boiiinng · 05-07-2005, 09:16 AM

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Originally Posted by urnothinglikeme

I am here asking the question that for many years people have asked. Does anyone know what happend to obi-wan on episode 4 when he fought vader?

27 years too late.

Nimrandir · 05-07-2005, 09:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Miasma

Obi-Wan really accomplished nothing by committing suicide in that duel.

First of all, he could have told Luke about Yoda even if he had lived, and he could have instructed Luke to turn off his X-Wing instruments during the Death Star trench by using a comlink (just like that other rebel did when he asked Luke, "You turned off your computer, Luke, is everything alright?") So for people who say it helped him guide Luke, I have to disagree.

Second, he comes right out and tells Luke he won't help him when he confronts Vader. Gee, thanks a lot. And when Luke is ready to plunge to his death beneath Cloud City, he again does nothing useful.

And, some people think that Ben assumed it would give Luke more incentive to fight the empire if he saw Ben being killed. Yeah, that's great, Ben, fill the kid with hatred... have you learned nothing?

So, the whole thing is pretty feeble.

Like I said, like most things in SW the reasons are as you put it feeble. You ust have to accept it for those reasons or not at all. And then it doesn't work.

Fanible · 05-07-2005, 09:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Miasma

Obi-Wan really accomplished nothing by committing suicide in that duel.

First of all, he could have told Luke about Yoda even if he had lived, and he could have instructed Luke to turn off his X-Wing instruments during the Death Star trench by using a comlink (just like that other rebel did when he asked Luke, "You turned off your computer, Luke, is everything alright?") So for people who say it helped him guide Luke, I have to disagree.

Second, he comes right out and tells Luke he won't help him when he confronts Vader. Gee, thanks a lot. And when Luke is ready to plunge to his death beneath Cloud City, he again does nothing useful.

And, some people think that Ben assumed it would give Luke more incentive to fight the empire if he saw Ben being killed. Yeah, that's great, Ben, fill the kid with hatred... have you learned nothing?

So, the whole thing is pretty feeble.

I do think it helps Luke learn better being on his own, rather than someone always there to hold is hand. And all I know is that Obi-Wan told Vader that he would become more powerful than he can imagine. Yet another thing I wouldn't mind finding out in Episode 3 why they're so powerful in their spirit form. I'm guessing Obi-Wan was just there to help get Luke out the door, then it was his time to leave. I don't know what it's like to be a spirit within the force, but maybe Obi-Wan just wanted to become one. He's probably been counting the days on Tatooine waiting until he can finally get the heck off that planet and join Qui-Gon.

Nimrandir · 05-07-2005, 09:27 AM

Another thing Lucas did not expand on. How did he become more powerful, well obviously by joining with the force, but we do not see how. He is not used again. So telling him this is not logical since the force does not use it power.

Fanible · 05-07-2005, 09:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Nimrandir

Another thing Lucas did not expand on. How did he become more powerful, well obviously by joining with the force, but we do not see how. He is not used again. So telling him this is not logical since the force does not use it power.

I just said that. I don't know what it's like or how it makes one so powerful, and I was hoping Episode 3 would cover that. But as we don't know, I also see no reason to doubt it's initial power, whatever it may be, and whatever reason a Jedi would have for wanting to go there.

Maybe they have sexy parties in the spirit realm.

Nimrandir · 05-07-2005, 09:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Fanible

I just said that.

And I agreed with you.

Fanible · 05-07-2005, 09:54 AM

I suppose one reason that it doesn't 'answer all the questions' like it was suppose to, is maybe because of the television series GL has decided to end up doing. I suppose not all of it could be explained to tread into the shows.

05-07-2005, 12:23 AM	#1
urnothinglikeme Banned Status Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 431	What happened to OBi-wan I am here asking the question that for many years people have asked. Does anyone know what happend to obi-wan on episode 4 when he fought vader?

05-07-2005, 12:51 AM	#4
Nimrandir Maiaron i Oiosaila Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: No lasting abode, in the past-Lorien in Valinor Posts: 5,727	In that moment of death he instantly joined with the force. He had to die to do it. __________________ *"All you have to decide is what to do with the time that is given to you."*

05-07-2005, 01:35 AM	#7
Nimrandir Maiaron i Oiosaila Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: No lasting abode, in the past-Lorien in Valinor Posts: 5,727	There really is not real reason to say why he sacrificed himself. The main idea is that he would influence Luke by doing it to fight with emotion against the empire, and that he could more easily help him in that form. Both of these reasons can be dismantled. But the real reason was that GL had to kill him off becuase he didn't have anything left for Obi-wan to do of significance. A poor choice to waste the greatest SW charecter. __________________ *"All you have to decide is what to do with the time that is given to you."*

05-07-2005, 09:04 AM	#15
Fanible FanFreakinTastic Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Oh, hi yo Posts: 15,885	Most of the spirit/death/one-with-the-force thing is a mystery. GL is supposedly going to explain it's loose ends in Episode 3. Concerning the disappearance durring Obi-Wan and Yoda's deaths, as well as (atleast hopefully), why Qui-Gon didn't disappear also. The only real issues with it occured once the prequels came out (Qui-Gon dying and not disappearing, and then also not showing up as a spirit). Until the prequels, there wasn't a general issue with it, besides Vader/Anakin not disappearing, which could be just filled in the blank at the time that it was simply because he was so much on the dark side until his death. __________________ My movie addiction is life controlling Last edited by Fanible; 05-07-2005 at 09:10 AM.

05-07-2005, 09:09 AM	#16
Nimrandir Maiaron i Oiosaila Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: No lasting abode, in the past-Lorien in Valinor Posts: 5,727	It appears that unfortunetly it is not in the movie and will remain a mystery. Most reviews have said that it was done most abruptly about the force ghost issue. No, Qui-gon, just yoda saying a sentance later in the movie. Perhaps the DVD will have it. But, then it may be better to leave it as a mystery, it is more romantic that was, and besides GL might make the same mistake as with the mideclorians. __________________ *"All you have to decide is what to do with the time that is given to you."*

05-07-2005, 12:38 AM	#2
Jason Krueger mmmm brains Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Level 5 Posts: 3,089	To put it simple, He was ready for death and he was strong in the force. So when Vader killed him, he became one with the force.

05-07-2005, 12:49 AM	#3
urnothinglikeme Banned Status Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 431	i dont think vader killed him i thought he just dissappeared

05-07-2005, 12:59 AM	#5
urnothinglikeme Banned Status Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 431	was his purpose of fighting to die and how do you u guys find this out

05-07-2005, 01:31 AM	#6
neo5595 Executive Producer Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 4,698	maybe the only way to join the force is to die. He knew the Vader duel wouldnt go anywhere, so maybe he thought that was a good time to die, i guess.

05-07-2005, 06:08 AM	#8
daniel9 Boom Operator Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: nyc Posts: 91	well it has alot to do with what quigonjinn taught yoda

05-07-2005, 07:47 AM	#9
urnothinglikeme Banned Status Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 431	what did quigon teach yoda

05-07-2005, 08:01 AM	#10
Mr. Frodo Go Big Red Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Lincoln, Nebraska Posts: 1,471	how to become 1 with the force.

05-07-2005, 08:19 AM	#11
kieran Executive Producer Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 192	He came back to Yoda as a spirit in ep3 when yoda was speaking ti the force telling him how to retain ones identity after death.

05-07-2005, 08:24 AM	#12
urnothinglikeme Banned Status Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 431	so when i see the movie i am goin to see that happen?

05-07-2005, 09:13 AM	#18
Miasma Executive Producer Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 2,097	Obi-Wan really accomplished nothing by committing suicide in that duel. First of all, he could have told Luke about Yoda even if he had lived, and he could have instructed Luke to turn off his X-Wing instruments during the Death Star trench by using a comlink (just like that other rebel did when he asked Luke, "You turned off your computer, Luke, is everything alright?") So for people who say it helped him guide Luke, I have to disagree. Second, he comes right out and tells Luke he won't help him when he confronts Vader. Gee, thanks a lot. And when Luke is ready to plunge to his death beneath Cloud City, he again does nothing useful. And, some people think that Ben assumed it would give Luke more incentive to fight the empire if he saw Ben being killed. Yeah, that's great, Ben, fill the kid with hatred... have you learned nothing? So, the whole thing is pretty feeble. __________________ They say that these are not the best of times But they're the only times I've ever known

05-07-2005, 09:27 AM	#22
Nimrandir Maiaron i Oiosaila Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: No lasting abode, in the past-Lorien in Valinor Posts: 5,727	Another thing Lucas did not expand on. How did he become more powerful, well obviously by joining with the force, but we do not see how. He is not used again. So telling him this is not logical since the force does not use it power. __________________ *"All you have to decide is what to do with the time that is given to you."*

05-07-2005, 09:54 AM	#25
Fanible FanFreakinTastic Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Oh, hi yo Posts: 15,885	I suppose one reason that it doesn't 'answer all the questions' like it was suppose to, is maybe because of the television series GL has decided to end up doing. I suppose not all of it could be explained to tread into the shows. __________________ My movie addiction is life controlling