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impulse · 01-01-2005, 10:46 PM

CHEATING...

okay here's the deal... the reason I like CS is because I can get some honest opinions without revealing who I am... (the internet is good that way!)

But what is wrong with us men? why do we like sex so much?

The reason I ask is this... I'm married and I'm content... I don't want to cheat and I don't... but whenever I see women with nice bodies and they start flirting with me then it's like.... I GOTTA HAVE IT... it's hard to resist...

is it the attention? the sex? what is it?
WHY IS IT SO HARD FOR MEN TO SAY NO?

See I met this girl who works with me and she's nice looking (not to be offensive but she had a very nice behind which I really like) she was really into me... and of course (eventually) I had to tell her I was married and just like that... she said I couldn't call her anymore... now... I really respected that... and I felt guilty for even entertaining the idea (If I wanted to... I could have not said anything and just went on with it and well... you know the rest) and even though she wanted me and said no after I told her I still felt rejected... (and men cannot stand that feeling!) but WHY? why did I feel like that? I'm married... and I felt guilty anyway... and I'm the one who told the truth and knew what it would do... (I think in a way I was trying to tell her because I didn't want to feel guilty?)

I wish women would stop flirting so much... men are only as faithful as their options...

I think for me it's the attention... not bragging or being fake... but I get alot of attention... and I admit I really like it...

Also does any guy here know a sure fire remedy against cheating... experience please... no theories...

and yes... if my wife had been flirting with someone I'd be pissed...

I also feel bad because it seemed to have hurt her...

man! I'm about to start drinking...

wackmasterted · 01-01-2005, 10:49 PM

because you wife is ass ugly and the chick your looking at looks like lindsey lohan

^^^^ please do not take that offensive. I mean i do it all the time. If your girl is hott and a chick that is hotter walks past you its instinct to check her out. Guys nature

impulse · 01-01-2005, 10:50 PM

my wife is very attractive... thanks for the immature comment... you really are wack...

wackmasterted · 01-01-2005, 10:51 PM

i dident mean it that way sorry read my edit. I meant to say that us guys are naturally attracted to hotter women. sorry if i affended you impulse

impulse · 01-01-2005, 10:53 PM

it's cool dude... my wife is attractive... but for some reason I'm looking at women with really nice butts lately...

wackmasterted · 01-01-2005, 10:54 PM

i personally loves chicks with a nice ass. It used to be the boobs but now its the ass. lol

Mr.Matinee · 01-01-2005, 11:17 PM

Man has a primitive instinct to procreate........procreating being the original purpose for sex...can't change instinct,so you just gotta learn to live with it...and an understanding wife would help.

Brock Landers · 01-01-2005, 11:20 PM

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Originally Posted by impulse

you really are wack...

Ouchies, impressive.

impulse · 01-02-2005, 02:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Mr.Matinee

Man has a primitive instinct to procreate........procreating being the original purpose for sex...can't change instinct,so you just gotta learn to live with it...and an understanding wife would help.

now how the hell can I get my wife to understand that? I'd get slapped! twice... and exactly what would i tell her?

"uh... baby... you know... that I'm instinctually attracted to big booties... so you gotta let me have other women..."

lol... can you spell "d-i-v-o-r-c-e" or "h-a-l-f" ?

PsYkOoOoO · 01-02-2005, 02:53 AM

Make a deal with your wife.

"Hey honey,i hate to and will never cheat on you.So next time i get turned on outside and i will try my very best to resist the temptation and wait till i get home.So whenever i ask for sex,please accept it?"

ZombieMan · 01-02-2005, 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by impulse

now how the hell can I get my wife to understand that? I'd get slapped! twice... and exactly what would i tell her?

"uh... baby... you know... that I'm instinctually attracted to big booties... so you gotta let me have other women..."

lol... can you spell "d-i-v-o-r-c-e" or "h-a-l-f" ?

LMAO, sorry man thats just a funny concept.

Kerry from Cali · 01-02-2005, 12:22 PM

sorry to burst in here boys, but i didn't see a sign on the clubhouse saying "no girls allowed"...

try it from my perspective... (and I've been married for 17 yrs. been together with my husband for 19 total)

I think you may be suffering from a very old (and *very* wrong) conclusion formed about women and sex...and that is, that we don't like or want sex as much as men. The reality couldn't be farther from the truth. What may make us a little different from you, is that we (usually, but not always) want some sort of emotion tied to it, call it caring, love or what ever... We just have different things expected from us (dealing as the primary care givers for the kids, any outside the home job, plus the housekeeping... it takes a toll, and while we may *want* to have a jolly good romp, we may be too damn tired to do it. or maybe you (and this isn't directed at any particular "you") aren't as good in bed as you thought, and we get a little bored.

Now I'm very old school about infidelity. I consider kissing (and I don't mean the hello kiss at the door, that you do when friends come over) to be cheating. Any kind of kiss you'd be doing for sexual stimulation is cheating. But that's just me. But that doesn't mean I'm not human. I can see a really nice looking guy and wonder what his kiss would be like, how good he might taste, how warm his skin could be. And if he's got good sized hands and a nice neck, I can really have a field day filling my mind with all sorts of ideas. But that's it. Just ideas. I couldn't and wouldn't take it farther. My husband deserves my loyalty and faithfulness.

I think this idea that it's only hard for men to say no is such a load of crap. Seriously, do you guys still believe that sort of nonsense??

Also, blaming women for flirting, come on guys... really, are you serious about that too?? jeeze. we can say hello to you, and you think we're flirting. Think of how many men don't wear wedding rings... how is a woman to know if he's interested or not, but to flirt a little? If we don't flirt, (for the single girls) were thought of as cold *itches. We can't win this one with you guys.

There is something about office romances that I've thought of for a long time. I can see how they happen. It's very easy for a person (either male or female but lets stick with a male point of view for now) to become infatuated when he has a pretty colleague talking to him all the time. She laughs at your jokes, and thinks you're cute. How could you not like that. With this person, you don't have to worry about the car needing new tires, the leaky toilet in the upstairs bathroom, or the bad grade little johnny got in school. With this person you can be funny, witty, charming, anything you want to be...

I've warned a few girlfriends that have husbands that work in offices with a high percentage of females, that *they* need to be the ones their husbands want to talk to. communication is the *best* key to a strong, good marriage. That, and a good sense of humor.

so take this as you will, but remember, once you start down certain paths you can never go back. You can't undo the damage and hurt that an affair can cause. You have to decide if a few moments of physical gratification is worth risking everything you've built.

and if you still think only men have a hard time saying no, then you really should go and talk with your wives/girlfriends...

I bet they could open your eyes.

Vincenzo · 01-02-2005, 12:25 PM

Some very interesting opinions there. I would say fight the urges. It is very hard to, but if you are married you don't really have a choice. Depending on her thoughts on this and what type of woman she is, maybe you could make like some weird deal where she could sleep with some guy and you could sleep with some girl and then never do it again. I mean, that is just depending on how she feels about the idea of cheating. Otherwise, don't even listen to me because I am stupid.

impulse · 01-02-2005, 12:47 PM

Kerry! My new best friend... I believe every word you said... and I also know it to be true... now thats what I needed to hear!

Kerry from Cali · 01-02-2005, 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by impulse

Kerry! My new best friend... I believe every word you said... and I also know it to be true... now thats what I needed to hear!

cool. i'm glad you weren't offended.

and you should've heard the interesting discussion your topic caused between me and my hubby...

i told him "half?! screw half. i'd want it *all*"

and *then* i'd get nasty

so, how long have you been married?

Kerry from Cali · 01-02-2005, 01:34 PM

oh, i meant to add that i don't think there's anything wrong with a little harmless flirtation. as long as it stays like that.

it feels *good* to have someone give you an appreciative look or smile. Hell, if I didn't want any attention, i'd wear sack clothes, you know?

impulse · 01-02-2005, 03:06 PM

I've been married for almost 6 years now....
I'm 32 will be 33 in 9 days...

all not half huh? lol!

Actually I want to talk to you about this some more but I got to go... I'll be back on tonight...

Why do women have better will power than Men? (we it comes to sex)
fear of reputation or pregnacy? what do you think?

bbl

Kerry from Cali · 01-02-2005, 08:51 PM

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Originally Posted by impulse

all not half huh? lol!

you've know idea how evil a woman can be, especially when we've been betrayed.

be afraid.

i remember reading a great tag line once. it said:

never trust an animal that can bleed for 7 days, and not die...

Kerry from Cali · 01-02-2005, 08:56 PM

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Originally Posted by impulse

I've been married for almost 6 years now....
I'm 32 will be 33 in 9 days...

6 yrs huh... yeah, i can remember back that far... marriage is sort of like a marathon race and you know you're gonna run 50 laps or so... by the time you hit 6 or 7 laps, your energy and strength start to lag a little, and you sometimes think you wont make it all the way. and then, like magic, you get your second wind.

mark and i met when he was 20 and i had just turned 21. we were just babies...

(or as i like to say, he was still wet behind the ears...)

** i had to add that, he's been reading over my shoulder, and i can't miss an opportunity to tease him**

Kerry from Cali · 01-02-2005, 09:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by impulse

Why do women have better will power than Men? (we it comes to sex)
fear of reputation or pregnacy? what do you think?

i have to start cooking for a trip we're taking to the mountains (and snow) but I wanted to drop a message before I left...

this is a question that i don't think has a right or wrong answer...

is it training? girls have it drummed into them from our earliest years not to "put out" or the nice boys wont like us..

is it because boys like to brag to each other and anyone that will listen, so you have your own sort of peer pressure to "live up" to the reputations the other guys are making?

i think it's a little of both...

girls are trained to put their needs second in a lot of ways. that being the case, it might be easier for us to deny ourselves the pleasure we want to enjoy, thus saving the couple from making a big mistake.

yeah, i'd say fear is the biggest reason we have better will power. we're afraid what our parents would do if they find out, what our classmates would say if they knew... and we're afraid of getting a disease or pregnant.

what do boys have to be afraid of? have you ever, in your life, heard of a guy who's parents got mad because he lost his virginity?? me neither.

but i've had girlfriends that were beaten by their fathers when they did. that's enough to keep a lot of girls from straying off the path of good behavior.

PsychoMike · 01-02-2005, 09:26 PM

OK... Let's see.... flirting is definetly fine. Flirting is good... most people feel good when someone flirts with them, even if they are in a good relationship. Sometimes people who are in long relationships tend to take the other for granted (or feel that they are taken for granted, that the person they are with likes them out of some sort of obligation) Flirting just reaffirms that they are still disierable. I flirt all the time... I have even been accused of flirting too much... well atleast around here (I've probobly flirted with half of the girls, who are of age, here).

As for cheating... well for the most part it isn't a good thing. It causes alot of problems in relationships jealousy arises. Although I do have a friend who has sex with men other than her husband and their relaationship is still strong. Actually he is turned on by the fact that his wife has sex with other men and women. I think that sex outside a relationship is acceptable as long as evryone involved knows that it is only sex and there will be no further relationship. But this type of relationship isn't for everybody, the couple has to be very understanding and both have to agree that it is good for tham.

As for why men cheat more than women... Alot of it is the way we are made. For the most part men use sex as a way to become closer to a women... more intimate. Women, for the most part, are already pretty intimate with someone before they have sex with them. AS always their is exceptions to every rule.

Tony Montana · 01-03-2005, 08:25 AM

My girlfriend knows that Im looking after girls etc., and Im sure she does the same, thats the way it is. Im in a relationship, but Im not blind, neither is she. I dont own her, so there is no use of controlling anyone. Jelousy is just a trouble-maker.

And Impulse, not only men cheat... there are more women out there cheating than we could even imagine. They are better in hiding it.

impulse · 01-03-2005, 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Tony Montana

My girlfriend knows that Im looking after girls etc., and Im sure she does the same, thats the way it is. Im in a relationship, but Im not blind, neither is she. I dont own her, so there is no use of controlling anyone. Jelousy is just a trouble-maker.

And Impulse, not only men cheat... there are more women out there cheating than we could even imagine. They are better in hiding it.

oh yeah... I know that one!

rayzor09 · 01-03-2005, 11:30 AM

This thread is GAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

LadyFireFly · 01-03-2005, 11:31 AM

I think cheating is the most horrible thing you can do to someone you care about. I would never do it. If I was so drastically tempted to cheat to the point of internal dilemma, I would assume that there was something very wrong with the relationship and I would work on either trying to fix it, or getting out of it.

As for flirting, I think flirting is a natural thing to do. In an innocent way, not in a "sit on a guys lap and cop a feel and call it flirting" kinda way. And yes, to me, kissing is cheating too. Kissing can be more passionate than sex at times.

I agree with everything that Kerry said. There is a misconception that men are all about sex and women don't really desire it except with men they love. Please. We see a hot guy and we think impure thoughts, too. But it doesn't mean we need to run over and start attacking them.

Point blank, cheating sucks. Someone cheats on me once, they're history.

View Poll Results: what do you think about cheating or flirting?
Never will cheat and would never even flirt	2	4.26%
Never cheated but have flirted (nothing is wrong with flirting!)	39	82.98%
Cheated so of course I've flirted	5	10.64%
I think cheating is a way of life... The more the merrier	1	2.13%
Voters: 47. You may not vote on this poll

01-01-2005, 10:46 PM	#1
impulse StIlL HeRe BioTcH! Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: none ya... Posts: 3,119	I-N-F-I-D-e-L-I-T-Y CHEATING... okay here's the deal... the reason I like CS is because I can get some honest opinions without revealing who I am... (the internet is good that way!) But what is wrong with us men? why do we like sex so much? The reason I ask is this... I'm married and I'm content... I don't want to cheat and I don't... but whenever I see women with nice bodies and they start flirting with me then it's like.... I GOTTA HAVE IT... it's hard to resist... is it the attention? the sex? what is it? WHY IS IT SO HARD FOR MEN TO SAY NO? See I met this girl who works with me and she's nice looking (not to be offensive but she had a very nice behind which I really like) she was really into me... and of course (eventually) I had to tell her I was married and just like that... she said I couldn't call her anymore... now... I really respected that... and I felt guilty for even entertaining the idea (If I wanted to... I could have not said anything and just went on with it and well... you know the rest) and even though she wanted me and said no after I told her I still felt rejected... (and men cannot stand that feeling!) but WHY? why did I feel like that? I'm married... and I felt guilty anyway... and I'm the one who told the truth and knew what it would do... (I think in a way I was trying to tell her because I didn't want to feel guilty?) I wish women would stop flirting so much... men are only as faithful as their options... I think for me it's the attention... not bragging or being fake... but I get alot of attention... and I admit I really like it... Also does any guy here know a sure fire remedy against cheating... experience please... no theories... and yes... if my wife had been flirting with someone I'd be pissed... I also feel bad because it seemed to have hurt her... man! I'm about to start drinking... __________________ My masterpiece! GGurls.com Last edited by impulse; 01-02-2005 at 12:15 AM.

01-01-2005, 10:50 PM	#3
impulse StIlL HeRe BioTcH! Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: none ya... Posts: 3,119	my wife is very attractive... thanks for the immature comment... you really are wack... __________________ My masterpiece! GGurls.com

01-01-2005, 10:53 PM	#5
impulse StIlL HeRe BioTcH! Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: none ya... Posts: 3,119	it's cool dude... my wife is attractive... but for some reason I'm looking at women with really nice butts lately... __________________ My masterpiece! GGurls.com

01-02-2005, 02:53 AM	#10
PsYkOoOoO Exceptionally Normal Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Singapore. Posts: 22,412	Make a deal with your wife. "Hey honey,i hate to and will never cheat on you.So next time i get turned on outside and i will try my very best to resist the temptation and wait till i get home.So whenever i ask for sex,please accept it?" __________________ W.

01-01-2005, 10:49 PM	#2
wackmasterted Director of Photography Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 157	because you wife is ass ugly and the chick your looking at looks like lindsey lohan ^^^^ please do not take that offensive. I mean i do it all the time. If your girl is hott and a chick that is hotter walks past you its instinct to check her out. Guys nature

01-01-2005, 10:51 PM	#4
wackmasterted Director of Photography Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 157	i dident mean it that way sorry read my edit. I meant to say that us guys are naturally attracted to hotter women. sorry if i affended you impulse

01-01-2005, 10:54 PM	#6
wackmasterted Director of Photography Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 157	i personally loves chicks with a nice ass. It used to be the boobs but now its the ass. lol

01-01-2005, 11:17 PM	#7
Mr.Matinee EL MUERTO!!! Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Shizzville Posts: 4,509	Man has a primitive instinct to procreate........procreating being the original purpose for sex...can't change instinct,so you just gotta learn to live with it...and an understanding wife would help.

01-02-2005, 12:22 PM	#12
Kerry from Cali so not a soccer mom Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: hot bubble bath, wine and a dish of dark chocolate Posts: 6,913	sorry to burst in here boys, but i didn't see a sign on the clubhouse saying "no girls allowed"... try it from my perspective... (and I've been married for 17 yrs. been together with my husband for 19 total) I think you may be suffering from a very old (and very wrong) conclusion formed about women and sex...and that is, that we don't like or want sex as much as men. The reality couldn't be farther from the truth. What may make us a little different from you, is that we (usually, but not always) want some sort of emotion tied to it, call it caring, love or what ever... We just have different things expected from us (dealing as the primary care givers for the kids, any outside the home job, plus the housekeeping... it takes a toll, and while we may want to have a jolly good romp, we may be too damn tired to do it. or maybe you (and this isn't directed at any particular "you") aren't as good in bed as you thought, and we get a little bored. Now I'm very old school about infidelity. I consider kissing (and I don't mean the hello kiss at the door, that you do when friends come over) to be cheating. Any kind of kiss you'd be doing for sexual stimulation is cheating. But that's just me. But that doesn't mean I'm not human. I can see a really nice looking guy and wonder what his kiss would be like, how good he might taste, how warm his skin could be. And if he's got good sized hands and a nice neck, I can really have a field day filling my mind with all sorts of ideas. But that's it. Just ideas. I couldn't and wouldn't take it farther. My husband deserves my loyalty and faithfulness. I think this idea that it's only hard for men to say no is such a load of crap. Seriously, do you guys still believe that sort of nonsense?? Also, blaming women for flirting, come on guys... really, are you serious about that too?? jeeze. we can say hello to you, and you think we're flirting. Think of how many men don't wear wedding rings... how is a woman to know if he's interested or not, but to flirt a little? If we don't flirt, (for the single girls) were thought of as cold itches. We can't win this one with you guys. There is something about office romances that I've thought of for a long time. I can see how they happen. It's very easy for a person (either male or female but lets stick with a male point of view for now) to become infatuated when he has a pretty colleague talking to him all the time. She laughs at your jokes, and thinks you're cute. How could you not like that. With this person, you don't have to worry about the car needing new tires, the leaky toilet in the upstairs bathroom, or the bad grade little johnny got in school. With this person you can be funny, witty, charming, anything you want to be... I've warned a few girlfriends that have husbands that work in offices with a high percentage of females, that they* need to be the ones their husbands want to talk to. communication is the best key to a strong, good marriage. That, and a good sense of humor. so take this as you will, but remember, once you start down certain paths you can never go back. You can't undo the damage and hurt that an affair can cause. You have to decide if a few moments of physical gratification is worth risking everything you've built. and if you still think only men have a hard time saying no, then you really should go and talk with your wives/girlfriends... I bet they could open your eyes. __________________ "The world is a dangerous place to live, not because of the people who are evil, but because of the people who don't do anything about it." Albert Einstein "Never argue with an idiot. They drag you down to their level then beat you with experience." The best and most beautiful things in the world cannot be seen or even touched. They must be felt with the heart. Helen Keller

01-02-2005, 12:25 PM	#13
Vincenzo Floor Licker Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Making My Way Through Downtown LA Posts: 1,297	Some very interesting opinions there. I would say fight the urges. It is very hard to, but if you are married you don't really have a choice. Depending on her thoughts on this and what type of woman she is, maybe you could make like some weird deal where she could sleep with some guy and you could sleep with some girl and then never do it again. I mean, that is just depending on how she feels about the idea of cheating. Otherwise, don't even listen to me because I am stupid. __________________ FK SOCCER MOMS!!!**

01-02-2005, 12:47 PM	#14
impulse StIlL HeRe BioTcH! Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: none ya... Posts: 3,119	Kerry! My new best friend... I believe every word you said... and I also know it to be true... now thats what I needed to hear! __________________ My masterpiece! GGurls.com

01-02-2005, 01:34 PM	#16
Kerry from Cali so not a soccer mom Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: hot bubble bath, wine and a dish of dark chocolate Posts: 6,913	oh, i meant to add that i don't think there's anything wrong with a little harmless flirtation. as long as it stays like that. it feels good to have someone give you an appreciative look or smile. Hell, if I didn't want any attention, i'd wear sack clothes, you know? __________________ "The world is a dangerous place to live, not because of the people who are evil, but because of the people who don't do anything about it." Albert Einstein "Never argue with an idiot. They drag you down to their level then beat you with experience." The best and most beautiful things in the world cannot be seen or even touched. They must be felt with the heart. Helen Keller

01-02-2005, 03:06 PM	#17
impulse StIlL HeRe BioTcH! Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: none ya... Posts: 3,119	I've been married for almost 6 years now.... I'm 32 will be 33 in 9 days... all not half huh? lol! Actually I want to talk to you about this some more but I got to go... I'll be back on tonight... Why do women have better will power than Men? (we it comes to sex) fear of reputation or pregnacy? what do you think? bbl __________________ My masterpiece! GGurls.com

01-02-2005, 09:26 PM	#21
PsychoMike Back, again, maybe Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 7,484	OK... Let's see.... flirting is definetly fine. Flirting is good... most people feel good when someone flirts with them, even if they are in a good relationship. Sometimes people who are in long relationships tend to take the other for granted (or feel that they are taken for granted, that the person they are with likes them out of some sort of obligation) Flirting just reaffirms that they are still disierable. I flirt all the time... I have even been accused of flirting too much... well atleast around here (I've probobly flirted with half of the girls, who are of age, here). As for cheating... well for the most part it isn't a good thing. It causes alot of problems in relationships jealousy arises. Although I do have a friend who has sex with men other than her husband and their relaationship is still strong. Actually he is turned on by the fact that his wife has sex with other men and women. I think that sex outside a relationship is acceptable as long as evryone involved knows that it is only sex and there will be no further relationship. But this type of relationship isn't for everybody, the couple has to be very understanding and both have to agree that it is good for tham. As for why men cheat more than women... Alot of it is the way we are made. For the most part men use sex as a way to become closer to a women... more intimate. Women, for the most part, are already pretty intimate with someone before they have sex with them. AS always their is exceptions to every rule.

01-03-2005, 08:25 AM	#22
Tony Montana Sexy,smart,funny...modest. Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Enjoying my time...hanging around Posts: 15,138	My girlfriend knows that Im looking after girls etc., and Im sure she does the same, thats the way it is. Im in a relationship, but Im not blind, neither is she. I dont own her, so there is no use of controlling anyone. Jelousy is just a trouble-maker. And Impulse, not only men cheat... there are more women out there cheating than we could even imagine. They are better in hiding it. __________________ "I'm the type to swallow my blood before I swallow my pride"

01-03-2005, 11:30 AM	#24
rayzor09 Banned Status Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Margarittaville Posts: 3,241	This thread is GAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

01-03-2005, 11:31 AM	#25
LadyFireFly Gettin' Busy Livin' Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: New York Posts: 4,749	I think cheating is the most horrible thing you can do to someone you care about. I would never do it. If I was so drastically tempted to cheat to the point of internal dilemma, I would assume that there was something very wrong with the relationship and I would work on either trying to fix it, or getting out of it. As for flirting, I think flirting is a natural thing to do. In an innocent way, not in a "sit on a guys lap and cop a feel and call it flirting" kinda way. And yes, to me, kissing is cheating too. Kissing can be more passionate than sex at times. I agree with everything that Kerry said. There is a misconception that men are all about sex and women don't really desire it except with men they love. Please. We see a hot guy and we think impure thoughts, too. But it doesn't mean we need to run over and start attacking them. Point blank, cheating sucks. Someone cheats on me once, they're history.