STAR WARS Archival Editions

[jpdill]

The Archival Editions are basically the same as the Extended Editions of LOTR.

We recieve a 2 disk set first, but later we get a bigger one. In this case, it's a 3-disk set.

So in this tread, just post down what you want in the DVDs. Below is what i expect WILL be in these, if they come out:

STAR WARS Episode I: The Phantom Menace Archival Edition

Disk One

- Introduction of Episode I by Lucas

- All the deleted scenes inputted. A bit obvious.

- Digital Yoda imputted. This has already been done as Rob Coleman demanded for the Episode I Yoda to be corrected.

- New commentaries done by the actors, as well new important people.

Disk Two

- Exactly the same as Episode I normal Disk Two, however this time documenting how they've imputted the scenes and changed Yoda

- No Starfighter making of

Disk Three

- This disk is new material and has the authors of STAR WARS Episode I books talking

- Making of each of the Episode I games, with SuperBombadRacing, Starfighter, Jedi Power Battles, etc.

- Hasbro have a section where it documents the partnership they had with Lucasfilm

- All other marketing, such as Pepsi's, is documented in this section.

STAR WARS Episode II: Attack Of The Clones Archival Edition

Disk One

- Introduction to Episode II by Lucas

- All deleted scenes imputted, including the Droid Control Ship scene (completed) and the newly filmed proposal by Anakin, which was filmed during Episode III.

- New audio commentaries by the actors and important people

Disk Two

- Same disk, with new stuff added. See Disk Two list for Ep I.

Disk Three

- This disk is new material and has the authors of STAR WARS Episode II books talking

- Making of each of the Episode II games (Bounty Hunter, Clone Wars, New Droid Army, etc)

- Hasbro have a section where it documents the partnership they had with Lucasfilm

- All other marketing, such as Pepsi's, is documented in this section.

STAR WARS Episode III Archival Edition

NOT COMPLETED YET however wish for no standard edition

STAR WARS Episode IV: A New Hope Archival Edition
STAR WARS Episode V: The Empire Strikes Back Archival Edition
STAR WARS Episode VI: Return Of The Jedi Archival Edition

Each DVD follows this pattern:

Disk One

- Intro

- The film is the perfect edition

- Deleted scenes imputted

- Audio commentaries by cast and main crew

Disk Two

- How they made the film's new version. Intergrates ALL of the past making of Ep IV/V/VI

- Original Versions

- The books and games (Rogue Suadron for example)

- Merchandise features, like Ep I and II AEs

STAR WARS: Expanded Universe Archival Edition

Disk One

- All about the EU books

Disk Two

- All about the Clone Wars with commentaries and making ofs

Disk Three and Four

- Everything else remaing that's official STAR WARS, including Hyperspace credits for the paying fans, fan-films from the SW comps, etc.

All this should be one big box set

If this was released, who would buy it? And why wouldn't you if you're a fan and you don't want to?

[thezez]

I'd buy it

[Rizor]

I really don't care for a new edition of the prequels. I guess it'd be nice if they redid the transfer of Episode I (it's filled with edge endhancement).

I don't really think they need to insert all deleted scenes. Some of them were cut for a reason. For example, the deleted scenes from Episode IV were cut because it ruined the pacing of the film. It'd be nice to have the option to see the original cut though.

[jpdill]

Lucas is re-doing the deleted scenes in all of the episodes. It said in one of those Hyperspace thing:

It said "A scene from ROTJ you didn't see in the theatrical cut..." and it makes sense as when they did Episode II, Lucas took the team out to film new material in the desert.

[droidguy1119]

See...that doesn't make any sense.

Who the hell would be in it?

The only deleted scenes that can be added back in to original Star Wars are scenes that were shot and subsequently not completed -- such as the Jabba the Hutt sequence, which was shot back in 1976.

The only sequences in the desert in Return of the Jedi, of course, are the Jabba sequences, and it doesn't seem to make sense where anything shot in the same locations used for Episode II would fit into Jabba's Palace.

Not only that, but Jabba's Palace isn't...missing anything...I believe he might be referring to another original shot that he has the ability now to add special effects into (if the quote is correct), but I don't believe he shot new footage.

[droidguy1119]

Here. HERE.

Asked if there's a possibility of including the original versions as alternate tracks, to show the evolution of the films, showcase the state-of-the-art of the era, and preserve film history, Lucas said simply, "I don't think so. I think of the film as The Special Edition. I don't think of it as the early version, any more than I would put early rough cuts on...I consider The Special Edition as being the final version at this point. I don't even worry about the other ones, because it went through a lot of incarnations to get to the final stage."

While this is bad news for purists, this is proof that he's not adding more footage to them -- he considers the Special Edition, as-is (this was a quote from 2002...after he was supposedly "shooting extra scenes on the set of Episode II"...) the final version of the film.

At least we can get that out of the way: No new footage in OT.

Source: www.theforce.net

[jpdill]

What you chatting about?

They filmed the desert scenes. They did the same with the SEs of Star Wars too. They filmed new background to put in before a scene (the Obiwan home scene).

If the SEs are the versions he thought were perfect, how come he's still making them?

Well don't really care anyway - don't reply for me.

The users of the forum have two choices:

- think he's not making it
- think he is

We'll know next year anyway, so just like Harry Potter 3's movie rating, time plays a key part.

And in reference to the desert scene, i think he's filmed something to add just before the scene to set up the fact it's a desert.

[droidguy1119]

The point is that he isn't. If he was, if he had made changes, he would have mentioned it in his interview. The quote was taken after he shot Episode II -- therefore, he didn't shoot anything.

Secondly, shooting plates is different than shooting sequences -- and I don't know what you're talking about the desert scene...how would you...um...not know it's a desert? It's full of sand. That would be a desert. Tatooine is a desert planet.

I also don't understand your comment about "if the SEs are the versions...still making them?" The SEs were what he thought was perfect. The idea is that the DVD will contain the SEs. Those are the definitive versions of Star Wars, in his mind. So...it would make sense for him to make it.

I believe you're going to be in for a surprise...

[jpdill]

We'll see in due time who is the right and who is the wrong...

[jpdill]

Also, respond to my one on the SW forum

[droidguy1119]

Personally, I'd like to see:

Star Wars - Episode I: The Phantom Menace (existing DVD)
Star Wars - Episode II: Attack of the Clones (existing DVD)
Star Wars - Episode III (2005)

I'm just going to do A New Hope all the way, and then only list features on the following films if they're different.

Star Wars - Episode IV: A New Hope
Disc 1
- Anamorphic Widescreen Presentation
- Frame-by-frame digital remaster done by Lowry Digital Images and supervised and checked by THX for the best picture and sound
- Dolby Digital 5.1 Surround Sound EX
- DTS 6.1 Surround
- Original 1977 Theatrical and Special Edition Versions w/branching
- Audio Commentary by Lucas, Rick McCallum, and the rest of the crew (SE only, and please -- get all the people in the same room, and don't use the LD track)
- Audio Commentary by Mark Hammill, Carrie Fisher, Harrison Ford, Peter Mayhew, Anthony Daniels and James Earl Jones
- Isolated Score with Commentary by John Williams
- Weblink to the Star Wars Website

Disc 2
- "The Saga of Star Wars: A Look Back" Documentary
- "The Making of A New Hope" All-New Full-Length Documentary
- "Smoke and Mirrors" Documentary on ILM's work on A New Hope
- "Moviemaking Protocol" Documentary on being a droid, hosted by Anthony Daniels and Kenny Baker
- "Remembering Alec Guiness" featurette
- "The Scum of the Universe" featurette on the Cantina's customers
- "Masks Like Skulls" featurette on the stormtroopers
- ILM featurette on adding new CGI for the Special Edition
- Death Star sequence featurette
- Jawas featurette
- Interview with George Lucas on "A New Hope"
- Deleted Scenes

Star Wars - Episode V: The Empire Strikes Back
Disc 1
- Audio Commentary by Lucas, Irvin Kershner, Rick McCallum, and the rest of the cast and crew
- Audio Commentary by Mark Hammill, Carrie Fisher, Harrison Ford, Peter Mayhew, Anthony Daniels, Billy Dee Williams and James Earl Jones

Disc 2
- "The Making of The Empire Strikes Back" Documentary
- "Director Wanted" Documentary on Irvin Kershner and his job taking over for Lucas
- "Size Not Make One Great" Documentary on Yoda hosted by Frank Oz
- "Slow But Deadly" Documentary on the Walkers
- "3,720 to 1" Documentary on the Asteroid Field sequence
- "I Want Him Alive" Documentary on the Bounty Hunters
- Featurette on the Wampa
- Featurette on the Space Slug
- Interview with George Lucas on "The Empire Strikes Back"
- Deleted Scenes

Star Wars - Episode VI: Return of the Jedi
Disc 1
- Commentary by Mark Hammill, Carrie Fisher, Harrison Ford, Anthony Daniels, Peter Mayhew, Billy Dee Williams, Ian McDiarmid and James Earl Jones

Disc 2
- "The Making of Return of the Jedi" Documentary
- "Remembering Richard Marquand" documentary with memories from cast and crew
- "Bigger and Badder" Documentary on the Death Star II
- "Awful Stories" Documentary on the visitors to Jabba's Palace
- "Being an Ewok" Documentary hosted by Warwick Davis
- Speeder Bike featurette
- Rancor featurette
- Sarlacc featurette
- Ewoks featurette
- Interview with George Lucas on "Return of the Jedi"
- Deleted Scenes

Star Wars DVD Trilogy Archives

Disc 1
The Lucasfilm Archives Part I: Promotion and Behind-the-Scenes
[New Material]
- Interview with George Lucas on the DVD Trilogy
- Documentary on ILM's work on all the Star Wars Films (including the prequels)
- Documentary on Lowry's digital restoration of Star Wars

[Old Material]
- Documentaries and Featurettes
1) "The Making of Star Wars," narrated by William Conrad
2) "he Making of Star Wars," narrated by C-3PO and R2-D2
3) "A Galaxy Far Far Away" documentary
4) "The History Of Star Wars On Video" featurette
5) R2-D2: Beneath the Dome Mockumentary
- Interview Gallery
1) Interviews from Special Edition Tapes
2) Interview with George Lucas and Leonard Maltin
3) Episode II Sneak Peek From Trilogy Tapes
4) Archived Interviews
- Theatrical and Teaser Trailers for all three films, including home video, video game, rerelease, and DVD trailers
- TV Spots

Disc 2
The Lucasfilm Archives Part II: Print and More
- Documentary on the Star Wars novels
- Documentary on the Star Wars comics
- Documentary on the Star Wars action figures
- Documentary on the Star Wars video games
- Featurette on Shadows of the Empire
- The Star Wars Gallery with Ralph MacQuarrie
1) Interview with Ralph MacQuarrie
2) Starship Gallery
3) Creature Gallery
- Original Screenplays
1) "The Phantom Menace"
2) "Attack of the Clones"
3) Episode III
4) "A New Hope"
5) "The Empire Strikes Back"
6) "Return of the Jedi"
- Selected Reviews and Articles
- Poster and Ad Campaigns
- Photo Galleries
- Storyboards
- Production Notes

Nice listings droidguy! I would like to see those things included in the Special Edition Boxset.

[roboxeno]

damn ill get this no matter teh price..if it under 150$ then ill be happy

[jpdill]

No DTS and not 5.1EX on the SEs.

Lucas didn't make the SEs with EX surround sound, let alone DTS. So it'll be standard 5.1 for the SE release.

They'd only spend money on something that'll be the final in-carnation.

My prediction:

After Episode III, people WILL complain about IV-VI's look and ask for a better version. It's Lucas's plan, as he knows people will still buy this upcoming box set, even though he's going to be making a better box set the year after.

Well we know Episode I has been updated from standard to Ultimate Edition, so Episode II's transformation was during this year. Episode III WON'T recieve one, as they plan to complete the film by Christmas 2004, so it can be proofed as many times as possible before the April 2005 deadline.

Episode III will have the normal 2 disk, and the AE version, as has been revealed on Hyperspace. Lucas has documented Episode III ALOT more than the rest for a special release.

Also, there's about another 599 hours of Episode I making of footage, as well as a un-known yet 3 figure amount for Episode II.

Isn't it funny how they've documented EVERY scene in Episode I and II, yet you don't see any "Making of the Podrace" or "Making of the 'Battle of Geonosis'"?

Maybe they're in-fact they're making Extended Editions?

[droidguy1119]

Dude...almost the entire Podrace was digital. There were a few sets (obviously, Qui-Gon and Padme had a set for where they watched the race) but what else is there to show? Jake Lloyd sat in the driver's chair, which went up and down with a green-screen background and the rest was CGI. There's nothing to show.

And I honestly want you to go into the Star Wars forum and ask if people think the original trilogy sucks because the special effects in the new ones are better. Really. Try it.

I don't know what you mean about upgraded. Basically both versions on the DVD as is are the same as they were in theaters, with a couple minor, inconsequential changes (the air taxi scene in Episode I was cool, but it doesn't make any difference in narrative and tone, it's just visually entertaining).

Lucas is a freak, a perfectionist, but I think you expect him to do all this stuff, and when he doesn't you're going to freak out.

But, again, lest I be wrong, I will apologize to you. But there's been NO rumors of this, and I repeat, NONE AT ALL on any DVD news site, and the only mention of UEs for DVDs on the really good Star Wars sites (such as www.theforce.net) are all dated 2000 or 2001.

[Cipher Jo]

Just give me the original old ones and I'll be happy

[jpdill]

Yeh - but for me it's the other way round. That's just my view so accept it. Don't try to change it...

[droidguy1119]

Well, you're presenting it as facts, not your prediction or your view. Watch the way you say it and I never would have brought it up to begin with.

[jpdill]

Ok - let's do the fact stuff:

FACT: Lucas has filmed new material for the final trilogy of STAR WARS

FACT: Lucas has filmed various versions of some scenes in Episode III, so at last minute he can decide whether to make it PG or PG-13/12A.

FACT: Lucas is going to be releasing STAR WARS TRILOGY, but it is unknown which one it is OFFICIALLY

FACT: Somewhere out of the TWO original trilogy releases, Lucas will be attaching the ORIGINAL VERSIONS of them. This is a FACT. Not FICTION. FACT. So get it through your brains.

FACT: Some fans will complain if Lucas does what the fans want him to do, which is what he is doing.

Now this is what i think Lucas is doing:

Next year Lucas releases STAR WARS, EMPIRE and JEDI again. This release will look nothing like the existing SW DVDS and is solely for those who do hate the new ones and don't want anything to do with them. This is for them so called 'fans'.

(I think remember)

In 2005/2006, Lucas will be releasing the new and final edition of Episode IV to VI. This will be available on it's own, or part of the Archival Edition series, which will be the finalised versions of SW in Lucas's lifetime.
These are what true fans will be getting, as they include everything the 2004 release has, but even better, they have the 5.1EX and specialised soundtracks that have been made for this release.

Basically i think Lucas will be trying to eradicate the fans who hate his prequels and kick them out of NEW STAR WARS. By giving them their originals (which i think will be on the 2004 release AS WELL as the proper-money-invested release) on DVD with acceptable sound and maybe a commentary, he pleases them, and now they can go away happily.

The fans who are anticipating the new ones, want the originals, but wants them to be updated AND preserved at the same time (in other words - have both a new version and the original copy), Lucas still likes them, and he wants them to have the best SW he or his companies can make.

My honest advice is if the 2004 release is 'standard', you should then decide who you are:

- Are you an old fan, someone who doesn't want to wait/doesn't want a new version

- Or are you a fan who will accept what changes Lucas makes (as long as the originals are still there).

I'm the second one - i want new versions that i can watch and enjoy and NOT criticise at the same time. BUT i want the originals as they can be fun to laugh at when i'm bored

I come on as a bit Morpheus, but hopefully you get what i mean. I think Lucas is going to be ending on generation, and starting another. I'm in the new genration. SW is not just a film - it's something that should be in cinema's history forever.

That's why Lucas will see to it in his lifetime that he has made them modern/now-aday look. That's the only way future people (your children) will enjoy them - they don't want grainy old crap. They want new-look stuff.

STAR WARS for me has the acting and on-screen action at A*. But i feel it needs to take that same quality but put it in a more modern enviroment (so they transfer the on-screen agents to new footage, making it fit seamlessly).

[jpdill]

Also remember the parts where it's I think

[droidguy1119]

Originally posted by jpdill

FACT: Lucas has filmed new material for the final trilogy of STAR WARS

FACT: Lucas has filmed various versions of some scenes in Episode III, so at last minute he can decide whether to make it PG or PG-13/12A.

FACT: Lucas is going to be releasing STAR WARS TRILOGY, but it is unknown which one it is OFFICIALLY

FACT: Somewhere out of the TWO original trilogy releases, Lucas will be attaching the ORIGINAL VERSIONS of them. This is a FACT. Not FICTION. FACT. So get it through your brains.

FACT: Some fans will complain if Lucas does what the fans want him to do, which is what he is doing.

See...while you may have heard this, they're not fact yet, because nobody from Lucasfilm has made an official announcement, and therefore (because this is a board, because I've only heard it from one person, because nobody is backing you up, and many other reasons) I have to treat it as a rumor. Maybe a strong rumor, but a rumor.

Now, here's my whole beef with the Archival Edition idea:

I can't believe it. I just cannot. Because who in September 2004 is going to get the Star Wars DVDs that are scheduled to be released?

Simple.

Everyone.

I mean, I doubt everyone in the world will rush out and get it day one, but globally, this set will be without a doubt the most popular DVD ever released. Star Wars is the second highest grossing film of all time, and (quoting the Clerks comic book) "people spent $100 million dollars to see a twenty-year old movie theatrically -- WHEN THEY COULD WATCH IT ON VIDEO!" Obviously, people love Star Wars.

So, if you have, if you totaled up the sales for first day, including pre-orders and whatnot all around the world (whenever first day would be)...we'll pick an astronomical number...say you have a billion units sold.

Even if you're George Lucas, who's gotten exceedingly good at annoying Star Wars fans, will you really annoy a billion people the very next year by rereleasing a new DVD box set?

After the 2004 Christmas season, when another (say) billion units are gone?

Or are you going to spend every waking moment you're not working on Episode III trying to make the initial DVD release absolutely perfect?

I dunno. That's what I think. It just seems like logic to me.

Although, if he does make two boxes, I bet the so-called Ultimate Edition would be focused only on the "perfect cuts" that would be in the box, and we'll get both the original trilogy and SE on the "standard" release. That, again, is logical -- if he's going to release a second box, I bet it will be to a very specific crowd.

And the last fact?

I personally bet at least 80% of Star Wars fans (and probably more, IMO) don't want him to add to the original trilogy.

And again...not that I prefer the unretouched trilogy...I just think it should be there for those who like it that way. I mean, you make a movie for entertainment. People aren't entertained by the special edition, and the old one is the inital version, so let them watch what they want to watch. Film scholars have asked for the originals for dissection and essays and workshops. It's important to do the thing people asked for...that's my feeling, at least.

[jpdill]

Not me, or any of my mates. It's a waste of money, especially if GL's gonna release them again in a few years.

I may get it for Christmas, but i won't spend my money on it. No point.

[jpdill]

And i also repsect your views and won't insult you for them.

[Jspitalieri]

I don't care about any of the extras. Make it a superior picture with the best sound available. I could care less to see a making of a game.

[jpdill]

So would you buy the AE (final update in GL's lifetime), or the SE versions.

AE will have the superior non-grainy picture and 10/10 sound, while the DVDs next year won't be 10/10 and have the grainy scenes in.