The Phone call at the end of the Matrix takes place at the end of Revolutions

Martinnyg · 06-14-2003, 07:16 AM

This is something I read on the AICN message boards. It was posted by a user called zerohourx. And I am not taking any credit myself for this theory. Just thought I would share it here, and hear your thoughts about it. If this has been on here before, I am really sorry.

The original Matrix starts with Trinity and Cypher talking, the screen shows "Trace Program" and the date "2-18-98". The movie ends with Neo making a phone call, the trace program is initiated and the date reads "9-18-99"... 19 months have passed! If you watch the movie again, you'll see that the time sequence implies that they found Neo shortly after that initial conversation (a few months after 2-18-98 at most). Significant? Yes; I propose that Reloaded and Revolutions (which we know occur one after another), take place between 2-18-98 and 9-18-99. Here's why: Only a few months could have passed from the time Morpheus and the crew 'free' Neo to the time Neo is killed and revived in the hallway. Why? for one, Neo's hair barely grows in that time and that's not a trivial observation (it's also obvious that Neo grew out his hair in Reloaded which occurs roughly 6 months after he's unplugged). We also know the W brothers don't put insignificant things into their movies - the fact that they obviously signal to us that 19 months have passed from the start of the Matrix to the time Neo makes that phone call is there for a reason. In Reloaded, Neo says that "I wish I knew what I was supposed to do". The phone call scene in the Matrix, Neo is very sure of what he is supposed to do, "I'm going to hang up this phone and show these people what you don't want them to see... a world without you, without controls and boundries". Why would he have forgotten what to do between M1 and M2? he didn't, that last scene in M1 occurs after Revolutions! Finally, at the end of M1, Neo states that "I can feel you now, you are scared". At the end of Reloaded he says, "Something is different, I can FEEL them now". One more thing. A game directed by the W brothers called Matrix online is due in '04 and the timeframe takes place after Revolutions... and the matrix is alive and well in the game. My guess is that there is no MWAM, they don't destroy the Matrix because they can't unplug everyone at once and we'll see Neo make that very same phone call at the end of Revolutions! I hope this wasn't too confusing to follow.

XtRaVa · 06-14-2003, 08:00 AM

6 months have passed since the first movie and reloaded firstly. The trace program shows ports and other connection references, are you sure thats the date? Because whenever I have seen it, it says something like trans opt, meaning the port and link number etc, doesnt say anything about a date...Reloaded and Revolutions take place over 48 hours I think you'll find, so I dont see how any of what this guy has said is right.

One more thing, when I first mentioned about the online game taking place after revolutions AGES ago, I was yelled at for not using spoiler bars, because some people didnt know that the matrix isnt destroyed at the end of revolutions, maybe you should have done the same...well hopefully no one will care now, seems like I got the brunt of it for letting that one slip.

ciao

Morphius DOH · 06-14-2003, 08:16 AM

IMO, Reloaded takes place over a 36-48hr time period. The reason I say this is because after Morpheus' speech and Zion rave scene, we see the lights turning off for the night (1st day). Then you have the rest of the movie, which has enough events to take up another 12hrs at least. Revolutions, however, does take place in a 24hr time frame, as stated by Joel Silver.

Martinnyg · 06-14-2003, 08:52 AM

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Originally posted by XtRaVa
6 months have passed since the first movie and reloaded firstly. The trace program shows ports and other connection references, are you sure thats the date? Because whenever I have seen it, it says something like trans opt, meaning the port and link number etc, doesnt say anything about a date...Reloaded and Revolutions take place over 48 hours I think you'll find, so I dont see how any of what this guy has said is right.

One more thing, when I first mentioned about the online game taking place after revolutions AGES ago, I was yelled at for not using spoiler bars, because some people didnt know that the matrix isnt destroyed at the end of revolutions, maybe you should have done the same...well hopefully no one will care now, seems like I got the brunt of it for letting that one slip.

ciao

Well, that thing about the Matrix Online being after Revolutions and taking place inside the Matrix. Is in almost every thread on this board, so I don't think there's any reason to make a spoiler thing.

XtRaVa · 06-14-2003, 09:56 AM

Thats what I said to the person who had a go at me, he really went off his head swearing and stuff, even though I thought everyone already knew that, but apparently I was one of the first to tell anyone =/

He really did go absolutely crazy

hpk37067 · 06-14-2003, 11:50 AM

Well, he knew the ultimate goal was to free the minds of everyone plugged into the matrix. In Reloaded and Revolutions, he has to find out how to do it.

spiderman_2k · 06-14-2003, 12:18 PM

Actually check my post i didnt go crazy....

XtRaVa · 06-14-2003, 12:39 PM

lol oh yeah it was j00!! grrr :p

onlythetruth · 06-14-2003, 04:09 PM

I thought the same thing at first. I thought the phone call at the end was the end of revolutions as well but after watching Reloaded 3 times i saw it on one of the architects screens so it couldn't be in the future. Well actually i guess it could because he did show trinity falling and that happened minutes later. So i guess i have no point to make.

06-14-2003, 04:12 PM

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Originally posted by XtRaVa
lol oh yeah it was j00!! grrr :p

LOL.. That was pretty funny..

Boiiinng · 06-14-2003, 05:36 PM

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Originally posted by XtRaVa
6 months have passed since the first movie and reloaded firstly. The trace program shows ports and other connection references, are you sure thats the date? Because whenever I have seen it, it says something like trans opt, meaning the port and link number etc, doesnt say anything about a date...Reloaded and Revolutions take place over 48 hours I think you'll find, so I dont see how any of what this guy has said is right.
ciao

Just checked my DVD and he's right, the dates are correct. Who knows? That would be really cool if it happens this way.

XtRaVa · 06-14-2003, 05:40 PM

lol thanks tee

holy crap, guys I am really thinking that perhaps the fone call at the end of the first movie IS after revolutions, for the reasons discussed...the date on the fone trace is apparently 19 months on from the date of the first convo between trin and cypher in the first movie...so this would make sense, also because of the way he says "i can feel u now, i can feel ur scared" or sumthin like that, much the same way as he says he feels the machines at the end of reloaded...it wudnt make sense him sayin he can feel them at the end of the first one, then deciding he can once again feel them at the end of reloaded, it wud be nothing new to him.

However the things that dont work very well, is that we dont get to see how he can do his superman thing durin the first and second movie, if neo flying at the end actually takes place after revolutions. Link says about how hes doin his superman thing, meaning hes done it before, but the only time wed know that he has is if the phone call is at the end of the first movie...but then again there are a lot of things that we dont see neo do in those 6 months that link and co could have.

But Neo says hes going to show everyone what he can do, and basically tell ppl about the matrix, and i dont feel this has been done. Its been fobbed off by people saying how they've freed more people in the last 6 months than 6 years or whatever, but I dont think this is quite what neo meant...it sounded to me as tho when he was talkin on the fone he was basically saying "look im going to show the whole world i can fly n ****, and tell them they are in the matrix, so u better get ur act together and stop tryin to kill us" or sumthin like that lol. And if the phone call was meant at the end of revolutions, then obviously it does work, coz then neo will tell everyone about the matrix after the events of revolutions...which makes sense coz we know the matrix will still be operational after revolutions because of the online game.

So there seem to be more reasons that make it that the fone call wud be at the end of revolutions, and not at the end of the first movie as how it seems to be shown. My biggest doubt though, is about the time frame. The other thread said about how the fone call at the start of the first movie, and the fone call we see at the end of the first movie is 19 months. We know that when they first free neo, all the events that unfold happen in not much more than 1 week, maybe 2 or so. We also know that the events in reloaded take place 6 months later, and reloaded and revolutions take place over 48 hours or so. So that means its only been just under 7 months between the first call, and supposedly the call seen at the end of the first IF it is in fact meant after revolutions' events...leaving an error of 12 months =/

So I really dont know if that call did happen at the end of the first movie or not now, anyone care to discuss wiv meh?!? :p

XtRaVa · 06-14-2003, 06:32 PM

yiiiii heee, jamon mother f****r!

sorry went a bit michael jackson there, when I was supposed to be doing a bump

p.s. dont stop till you get enough

06-14-2003, 06:37 PM

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Originally posted by XtRaVa
lol thanks tee

LOL.. I'm not taking sides.. you and spidey are both cool..

XtRaVa · 06-14-2003, 06:45 PM

no no, the thanks was to u saying somethin i said was funny, this is a different post to the one about the source in case u accidentally clicked this one. read my post about the fone call thing, need some speculation on whether it cud be true. its above

chinball wizard · 06-14-2003, 06:45 PM

based on what has been said (or typed, if you will), i think it would be totally like the wk bros. to pull a move like this. my only problem is: if it's true, then i want the wk bros. to go all lucas and **** and change the first movie so the ground ripples before he flies off. that'd be cool! hell yeah! i'd like go see a special edition re-release just for that scene. who's with me?

XtRaVa · 06-14-2003, 06:48 PM

All those in favour say I.

I.

What about the problem of the missing 12 months time? any ideas?

chinball wizard · 06-14-2003, 06:55 PM

maybe it will take that amount of time to fix the matrix, as it is decaying in revolutions. or maybe neo wants some time to chill and bone trinity before he goes about helping the rest of humanity. i think he's already shown what his little 'one' would choose.

06-14-2003, 07:05 PM

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Originally posted by chinball wizard
maybe it will take that amount of time to fix the matrix, as it is decaying in revolutions. or maybe neo wants some time to chill and bone trinity before he goes about helping the rest of humanity. i think he's already shown what his little 'one' would choose.

LMAO..

It's an interesting theory, Xtrava...I'm not really in the mood to go into deep thought about that right now though, lol.. just be grateful we dont have to wait three years to find out...

CA4IA · 06-14-2003, 07:45 PM

This site talks a little about the Matrix online http://www.ferrago.co.uk/story/1602

Ghostofzion2003 · 06-14-2003, 09:10 PM

That theroy about the phone call being at the end of revolutions may be true because if you look very closely at the revolutions trailer when the oracle is talking and says everthing that has a begining has an end neo is in white room opening his eyes and hes wearing a diferent coat and the collar is like the collar in the lobbyshoot out open and folded over.

ImNotTheOne · 06-14-2003, 09:26 PM

Ghost,
I agree... in fact, the coat he's wearing when he kisses Trinity in the SuperBowl tralier looks similar to the one he's wearing during the phone call.

Interesting...

Ghostofzion2003 · 06-14-2003, 09:36 PM

i guess we will just have to wait til november to see but its an intersting point..

redman · 06-14-2003, 10:06 PM

regarding the time frame of the first matrix, when morpheus freed neo, and he was talking to him inside that training program didnt he say something like "you think its the year 1999 but in fact its closer to 2199". Doesn't that disprove the theory that the first matrix occurs over a 2 week period? Because if it began on the 18th of february 1998 and morpheus freed neo in the year 1999 thats more like a year.

chinball wizard · 06-14-2003, 10:16 PM

redman, in all humble honesty, and meaning no disrespect as i have never met you and conversely know nothing about you, that is the dumbest logic i have ever read...by someone named redman. and i have all of your records! you and method man are my niggas!

06-14-2003, 07:16 AM	#1
Martinnyg Executive Producer Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 335	The Phone call at the end of the Matrix takes place at the end of Revolutions This is something I read on the AICN message boards. It was posted by a user called zerohourx. And I am not taking any credit myself for this theory. Just thought I would share it here, and hear your thoughts about it. If this has been on here before, I am really sorry. The original Matrix starts with Trinity and Cypher talking, the screen shows "Trace Program" and the date "2-18-98". The movie ends with Neo making a phone call, the trace program is initiated and the date reads "9-18-99"... 19 months have passed! If you watch the movie again, you'll see that the time sequence implies that they found Neo shortly after that initial conversation (a few months after 2-18-98 at most). Significant? Yes; I propose that Reloaded and Revolutions (which we know occur one after another), take place between 2-18-98 and 9-18-99. Here's why: Only a few months could have passed from the time Morpheus and the crew 'free' Neo to the time Neo is killed and revived in the hallway. Why? for one, Neo's hair barely grows in that time and that's not a trivial observation (it's also obvious that Neo grew out his hair in Reloaded which occurs roughly 6 months after he's unplugged). We also know the W brothers don't put insignificant things into their movies - the fact that they obviously signal to us that 19 months have passed from the start of the Matrix to the time Neo makes that phone call is there for a reason. In Reloaded, Neo says that "I wish I knew what I was supposed to do". The phone call scene in the Matrix, Neo is very sure of what he is supposed to do, "I'm going to hang up this phone and show these people what you don't want them to see... a world without you, without controls and boundries". Why would he have forgotten what to do between M1 and M2? he didn't, that last scene in M1 occurs after Revolutions! Finally, at the end of M1, Neo states that "I can feel you now, you are scared". At the end of Reloaded he says, "Something is different, I can FEEL them now". One more thing. A game directed by the W brothers called Matrix online is due in '04 and the timeframe takes place after Revolutions... and the matrix is alive and well in the game. My guess is that there is no MWAM, they don't destroy the Matrix because they can't unplug everyone at once and we'll see Neo make that very same phone call at the end of Revolutions! I hope this wasn't too confusing to follow.

06-14-2003, 08:00 AM	#2
XtRaVa Executive Producer Join Date: May 2003 Location: Portsmouth, England Posts: 1,264	6 months have passed since the first movie and reloaded firstly. The trace program shows ports and other connection references, are you sure thats the date? Because whenever I have seen it, it says something like trans opt, meaning the port and link number etc, doesnt say anything about a date...Reloaded and Revolutions take place over 48 hours I think you'll find, so I dont see how any of what this guy has said is right. One more thing, when I first mentioned about the online game taking place after revolutions AGES ago, I was yelled at for not using spoiler bars, because some people didnt know that the matrix isnt destroyed at the end of revolutions, maybe you should have done the same...well hopefully no one will care now, seems like I got the brunt of it for letting that one slip. ciao __________________ 1,2 Michael's coming for you...3,4 Better lock your door...5,6 Grab a crucifix...7,8 Better stay up late...9,10 Never sleep again.

06-14-2003, 09:56 AM	#5
XtRaVa Executive Producer Join Date: May 2003 Location: Portsmouth, England Posts: 1,264	Thats what I said to the person who had a go at me, he really went off his head swearing and stuff, even though I thought everyone already knew that, but apparently I was one of the first to tell anyone =/ He really did go absolutely crazy __________________ 1,2 Michael's coming for you...3,4 Better lock your door...5,6 Grab a crucifix...7,8 Better stay up late...9,10 Never sleep again.

06-14-2003, 12:39 PM	#8
XtRaVa Executive Producer Join Date: May 2003 Location: Portsmouth, England Posts: 1,264	lol oh yeah it was j00!! grrr :p __________________ 1,2 Michael's coming for you...3,4 Better lock your door...5,6 Grab a crucifix...7,8 Better stay up late...9,10 Never sleep again.

06-14-2003, 05:40 PM	#12
XtRaVa Executive Producer Join Date: May 2003 Location: Portsmouth, England Posts: 1,264	lol thanks tee holy crap, guys I am really thinking that perhaps the fone call at the end of the first movie IS after revolutions, for the reasons discussed...the date on the fone trace is apparently 19 months on from the date of the first convo between trin and cypher in the first movie...so this would make sense, also because of the way he says "i can feel u now, i can feel ur scared" or sumthin like that, much the same way as he says he feels the machines at the end of reloaded...it wudnt make sense him sayin he can feel them at the end of the first one, then deciding he can once again feel them at the end of reloaded, it wud be nothing new to him. However the things that dont work very well, is that we dont get to see how he can do his superman thing durin the first and second movie, if neo flying at the end actually takes place after revolutions. Link says about how hes doin his superman thing, meaning hes done it before, but the only time wed know that he has is if the phone call is at the end of the first movie...but then again there are a lot of things that we dont see neo do in those 6 months that link and co could have. But Neo says hes going to show everyone what he can do, and basically tell ppl about the matrix, and i dont feel this has been done. Its been fobbed off by people saying how they've freed more people in the last 6 months than 6 years or whatever, but I dont think this is quite what neo meant...it sounded to me as tho when he was talkin on the fone he was basically saying "look im going to show the whole world i can fly n ****, and tell them they are in the matrix, so u better get ur act together and stop tryin to kill us" or sumthin like that lol. And if the phone call was meant at the end of revolutions, then obviously it does work, coz then neo will tell everyone about the matrix after the events of revolutions...which makes sense coz we know the matrix will still be operational after revolutions because of the online game. So there seem to be more reasons that make it that the fone call wud be at the end of revolutions, and not at the end of the first movie as how it seems to be shown. My biggest doubt though, is about the time frame. The other thread said about how the fone call at the start of the first movie, and the fone call we see at the end of the first movie is 19 months. We know that when they first free neo, all the events that unfold happen in not much more than 1 week, maybe 2 or so. We also know that the events in reloaded take place 6 months later, and reloaded and revolutions take place over 48 hours or so. So that means its only been just under 7 months between the first call, and supposedly the call seen at the end of the first IF it is in fact meant after revolutions' events...leaving an error of 12 months =/ So I really dont know if that call did happen at the end of the first movie or not now, anyone care to discuss wiv meh?!? :p __________________ 1,2 Michael's coming for you...3,4 Better lock your door...5,6 Grab a crucifix...7,8 Better stay up late...9,10 Never sleep again.

06-14-2003, 08:16 AM	#3
Morphius DOH Executive Producer Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Kennebunkport, Maine Posts: 691	IMO, Reloaded takes place over a 36-48hr time period. The reason I say this is because after Morpheus' speech and Zion rave scene, we see the lights turning off for the night (1st day). Then you have the rest of the movie, which has enough events to take up another 12hrs at least. Revolutions, however, does take place in a 24hr time frame, as stated by Joel Silver.

06-14-2003, 11:50 AM	#6
hpk37067 Sarge Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 3,601	Well, he knew the ultimate goal was to free the minds of everyone plugged into the matrix. In Reloaded and Revolutions, he has to find out how to do it.

06-14-2003, 12:18 PM	#7
spiderman_2k Hey Mods! Moderate This!!! Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: In Exile Posts: 37,350	Actually check my post i didnt go crazy....

06-14-2003, 04:09 PM	#9
onlythetruth New User - Level 0 Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 20	I thought the same thing at first. I thought the phone call at the end was the end of revolutions as well but after watching Reloaded 3 times i saw it on one of the architects screens so it couldn't be in the future. Well actually i guess it could because he did show trinity falling and that happened minutes later. So i guess i have no point to make.

06-14-2003, 06:32 PM	#13
XtRaVa Executive Producer Join Date: May 2003 Location: Portsmouth, England Posts: 1,264	yiiiii heee, jamon mother f****r! sorry went a bit michael jackson there, when I was supposed to be doing a bump p.s. dont stop till you get enough __________________ 1,2 Michael's coming for you...3,4 Better lock your door...5,6 Grab a crucifix...7,8 Better stay up late...9,10 Never sleep again.

06-14-2003, 06:45 PM	#15
XtRaVa Executive Producer Join Date: May 2003 Location: Portsmouth, England Posts: 1,264	no no, the thanks was to u saying somethin i said was funny, this is a different post to the one about the source in case u accidentally clicked this one. read my post about the fone call thing, need some speculation on whether it cud be true. its above __________________ 1,2 Michael's coming for you...3,4 Better lock your door...5,6 Grab a crucifix...7,8 Better stay up late...9,10 Never sleep again.

06-14-2003, 06:45 PM	#16
chinball wizard Director Join Date: May 2003 Location: i'd like to know Posts: 179	based on what has been said (or typed, if you will), i think it would be totally like the wk bros. to pull a move like this. my only problem is: if it's true, then i want the wk bros. to go all lucas and **** and change the first movie so the ground ripples before he flies off. that'd be cool! hell yeah! i'd like go see a special edition re-release just for that scene. who's with me? __________________ I'M THE BEST AND THIS IS JUST ANOTHER CHANCE FOR ME TO PROVE IT 20 minutes later...I'm paralyzed damn hubris

06-14-2003, 06:48 PM	#17
XtRaVa Executive Producer Join Date: May 2003 Location: Portsmouth, England Posts: 1,264	All those in favour say I. I. What about the problem of the missing 12 months time? any ideas? __________________ 1,2 Michael's coming for you...3,4 Better lock your door...5,6 Grab a crucifix...7,8 Better stay up late...9,10 Never sleep again.

06-14-2003, 06:55 PM	#18
chinball wizard Director Join Date: May 2003 Location: i'd like to know Posts: 179	maybe it will take that amount of time to fix the matrix, as it is decaying in revolutions. or maybe neo wants some time to chill and bone trinity before he goes about helping the rest of humanity. i think he's already shown what his little 'one' would choose. __________________ I'M THE BEST AND THIS IS JUST ANOTHER CHANCE FOR ME TO PROVE IT 20 minutes later...I'm paralyzed damn hubris

06-14-2003, 07:45 PM	#20
CA4IA New User - Level 0 Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 62	This site talks a little about the Matrix online http://www.ferrago.co.uk/story/1602

06-14-2003, 09:10 PM	#21
Ghostofzion2003 Executive Producer Join Date: May 2003 Location: Irvine Posts: 356	That theroy about the phone call being at the end of revolutions may be true because if you look very closely at the revolutions trailer when the oracle is talking and says everthing that has a begining has an end neo is in white room opening his eyes and hes wearing a diferent coat and the collar is like the collar in the lobbyshoot out open and folded over. __________________ "This is your test, every path you have trought, through wilderness and through war, has lead to this road" -Elrond

06-14-2003, 09:26 PM	#22
ImNotTheOne New User - Level 0 Join Date: May 2003 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 8	Ghost, I agree... in fact, the coat he's wearing when he kisses Trinity in the SuperBowl tralier looks similar to the one he's wearing during the phone call. Interesting...

06-14-2003, 09:36 PM	#23
Ghostofzion2003 Executive Producer Join Date: May 2003 Location: Irvine Posts: 356	i guess we will just have to wait til november to see but its an intersting point.. __________________ "This is your test, every path you have trought, through wilderness and through war, has lead to this road" -Elrond

06-14-2003, 10:06 PM	#24
redman None of its Scripted Join Date: May 2003 Location: Australia.......all the way down here Posts: 12,956	regarding the time frame of the first matrix, when morpheus freed neo, and he was talking to him inside that training program didnt he say something like "you think its the year 1999 but in fact its closer to 2199". Doesn't that disprove the theory that the first matrix occurs over a 2 week period? Because if it began on the 18th of february 1998 and morpheus freed neo in the year 1999 thats more like a year. Last edited by redman; 06-14-2003 at 10:07 PM.

06-14-2003, 10:16 PM	#25
chinball wizard Director Join Date: May 2003 Location: i'd like to know Posts: 179	redman, in all humble honesty, and meaning no disrespect as i have never met you and conversely know nothing about you, that is the dumbest logic i have ever read...by someone named redman. and i have all of your records! you and method man are my niggas! __________________ I'M THE BEST AND THIS IS JUST ANOTHER CHANCE FOR ME TO PROVE IT 20 minutes later...I'm paralyzed damn hubris