Justice League

[Neverending]

The latest round of rumors:

http://www.comingsoon.net/news/movienews.php?id=98465

[Alien]

"Green Lantern: Will be Ryan Reynold's character from the Green Lantern movie"

So, it that them saying it'll be Hal Jordan or that it'll be Ryan Reynold's? Why would they tie it in with that movie when it flopped so badly?

[docstop]

I don't mind having Ryan back as GL. Hopefully they can build on the good parts and introduce "better" elements of the character (ie. a better looking suit).

[sshuttari]

Man they are trying way to hard. This sounds like a movie made for the purpose of jumping on the "The Avengers" bandwagon.

If they wait 10 years give Batman a Reboot, let the Superman Trilogy come into it's own terms. Maybe then it will be ready for Audiences.

[docstop]

They have to do something to compete with Marvel in the film industry and people would also complain about them if they followed along exactly like Marvel did with introducing all of the characters leading up to Avengers. However, following in Marvel's footsteps would make the most sense but they have to face the fact that they are coming in second no matter what. In saying that, I still think it can work if they start from the opposite end, beginning with JLA and then spinning off into each heroes own movie.

[PG Cooper]

Originally Posted by sshuttari

Man they are trying way to hard. This sounds like a movie made for the purpose of jumping on the "The Avengers" bandwagon.

If they wait 10 years give Batman a Reboot, let the Superman Trilogy come into it's own terms. Maybe then it will be ready for Audiences.

I'm with you. This is shaping into one hell of a mess.

[Wyldstaar]

Originally Posted by docstop

They have to do something to compete with Marvel in the film industry and people would also complain about them if they followed along exactly like Marvel did with introducing all of the characters leading up to Avengers. However, following in Marvel's footsteps would make the most sense but they have to face the fact that they are coming in second no matter what. In saying that, I still think it can work if they start from the opposite end, beginning with JLA and then spinning off into each heroes own movie.

DC/WB has clearly missed the boat when it comes to properly using the characters they have available to get a piece of the superhero movie box office. No question, there.

I'm not so sure about people accusing them of just copying the success of The Avengers. The reality is that the average moviegoer had never heard of The Avengers before they saw their first trailer for the film. Up until just before the movie's release, there had never been an animated series for the past few generations to watch and experience the characters (that one season, cartoon abortion Avengers: United They Stand isn't worth mentioning). The Justice League on the other hand, has had loads of public exposure for generations. Whether it be the cheesiness of Superfriends or the awesomeness of Justice League/Justice League Unlimited, a significant portion of the audience is already familiar with the fact that DC's greatest heroes form a team.

[Nick1988]

Christopher Nolans Batman films pretty much screwed over WBs chance of making Justice League successful IMO.

[Neverending]

Originally Posted by Wyldstaar

a significant portion of the audience is already familiar with the fact that DC's greatest heroes form a team.

That's a good point and perhaps why WB doesn't feel the need to follow what Marvel did.

[Nick1988]

Not to mention the idea of Batman and Superman, regardless of who is playing Batman, on the same scream is ten times more appealing to the public than Iron Man,Thor,Hulk,Captain America combined.

[Wyldstaar]

Originally Posted by Nick1988

Not to mention the idea of Batman and Superman, regardless of who is playing Batman, on the same screen is ten times more appealing to the public than Iron Man, Thor, Hulk, Captain America combined.

Before May of 2012, this might have been true. Today, The Avengers has more movie cred with the worldwide audience than the World's Finest. Superman in particular has been burning audience expectations since 1983. Green Lantern sure didn't help the situation any, either.

[Ayemef]

here's the difference between The Avengers and The Justice League

the bulk of characters in TA were relatively unknown or not that popular before the solo films that built up to TA film, so they needed explaining. Nobody gave a crap about Thor, Iron Man, Captain America, Hawkeye or Black Widow prior, the hype needed building (Hulk is the exception thanks to the 70's television series, I'd say he was the most popular Marvel hero next to Spider-Man and X-Men), the rest were second rate or B-List

however, Flash, Wonder Woman, Green Lantern, Superman, & Batman are far more popular and widely known by the general audience and don't need as much build up and explanation, as they're all A-List

thus, it's much easier puting out a Justice League film without solo films building up to it as oppose to Avengers

in a nut shell:

Justice League is an A-List comic book team (far more popular and known by the general audience)

The Avengers WERE a B-List comic book team (prior to the films) and far less popular and known by the general audience

the only A-List team Marvel Comics had pre-avengers were The X-Men

[Alien]

Wouldn't it make more sense to have solo films for all these A-Listers though? If they are such big A-Lister all their movies will make a tone of money and then when they all join up they'd blow the roof off the box office.

People seem to think that if DC had went the Marvel route with making the team movie it would be a bad thing somehow. I've been told DC would be seen as copying Marvel, but why is that bad? If DC made a shared universe wouldn't it be looked at as DC saying, "This is how it sould be done, soccer mum's can name all our team members!"

Except of course I think Flash, Green Lantern, Green Arrow, Aquaman and Martian Manhunter are all unknowns. Really DC have their Trinity of Superman, Batman and Wonder Woman and that's it. So I guess I answered my own question.

[Ayemef]

wrong, I've come across a lot of women who love Green Lantern (before the movie)

i.e. when Justice League: Crisis on Two Earth's was released on DVD I went to Best Buy to pick it up and at the checkout, the cashier asked me who my favorite Justice League member was (Superman of course) and she said hers was Green Lantern (and no, she was not geeky or nerdy, this was a decent looking black chick).

Green Lantern is vastly known, along with Aquaman and Flash

it's Green Arrow who's a B-Lister along with Martian Manhunter


how you could even think Green Lantern, Flash or Aquaman are unknown's is beyond me, that's just not true at all

[Neverending]

Batman and Superman are A+. Wonder Woman is A-. And everyone else is B+ at best. The advantage for DC is the successful TV shows and cartoons that have aired over the decades. I mean, people know who Martian Manhunter is... but is he really "popular"?

[Ayemef]

yea, I don't buy any of that

and no, Manhunter is not popular, nor is he as known as any of the above

[Alien]

Originally Posted by Ayemef

No, she was not geeky or nerdy, this was a decent looking black chick.

Yeah, becuase all geeks must advertise there geekiness at all times.

[Ayemef]

as true as that may be, still beside the point

[docstop]

Originally Posted by Neverending

Batman and Superman are A+. Wonder Woman is A-. And everyone else is B+ at best. The advantage for DC is the successful TV shows and cartoons that have aired over the decades. I mean, people know who Martian Manhunter is... but is he really "popular"?

Those grades are about right. Also, because the JLA has more A caliber comic book heroes to work with, it makes it harder to synthesis them all into a single movie and make everyone happy. The comic-book as a medium, can have the team come together to combat a powerful villain, but in the movies things are that much more realistic. By this I mean Superman,as powerful as he is, it doesn't make as much sense that a whole team of superheroes need to come together when most of them are already incredibly powerful, in fact Batman will probably be relegated to the sidelines when it comes to the actual hand to hand combat with the villains.

[Neverending]

Batman is the brains of the group.

[Alien]

Actually, wasn't Superman also super intelligent in the golden age or something?

[Wyldstaar]

Originally Posted by Alien

Actually, wasn't Superman also super intelligent in the golden age or something?

In the Golden Age, as well as the Silver, the only thing Superman couldn't do was something the writers hadn't thought of yet. If the writer had a story in mind that called for Supes to be a bigger genius than Lex Luthor, then he was. It's one of the many reasons for the original Crisis. It brought Superman's powers back into a tighter focus, instead of having just anything.

This is one of the main reasons why the movie versions of Superman are such a disaster. They fall back on the Golden and Silver age crutch of power invention, rather than a well planned story. Go down that road, and you wind up with amnesia inducing kisses and Superman shooting blue beams out of his eyes that repair brick walls.

Originally Posted by docstop

I mean Superman,as powerful as he is, it doesn't make as much sense that a whole team of superheroes need to come together when most of them are already incredibly powerful, in fact Batman will probably be relegated to the sidelines when it comes to the actual hand to hand combat with the villains.

I think the trick with using characters with as high a power level as the JLA is not so much that they can't take on any one thing, as that any one of them can only be in one place at a time. If Darkseid is sending his Elite,the Female Furies and Parademons all against the Earth, that's a bit much for seven heroes to handle. Sure, Superman can face off against Kalibak, but who's going to save all the humans being attacked by Parademons while he's dealing with that? That's where the tension comes from. We all know that the JLA are going to win in the end, but at what cost?

[docstop]

Those are great ideas, but how does Batman fit into those scenarios? He is the Detective but having Batman sit at home in the Batcave coordinating the action seems a little lame.

Also can you ask WB if you can write the script for JLA for them?

[Wyldstaar]

Originally Posted by docstop

Those are great ideas, but how does Batman fit into those scenarios? He is the Detective but having Batman sit at home in the Batcave coordinating the action seems a little lame.

Also can you ask WB if you can write the script for JLA for them?

If it were me, I'd have Batman infiltrating Darkseid's stronghold, determining some way to neutralize whatever his plan is. Actually, if it were me, Darkseid wouldn't be the villain.

A big challenge for the JLA movie is going to be finding a story that doesn't seem too much like The Avengers. If Darkseid really is going to be the primary villain, that seems like a problem, to me. An otherworldly Big Bad with a god complex who uses portals created by a small box to bring his minions to Earth? I don't know what WB is thinking. If they wanted to avoid doing things the Marvel way, Darkseid isn't the logical choice.

[Ayemef]

DC had the idea first, therefore, Marvel can suck it