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Old 12-16-2012, 09:52 PM   #2051
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Blade Trinity was the beginning of Ryan Reynolds starring in terrible superhero movies.
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Old 12-16-2012, 10:24 PM   #2052
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Do....do you really think so? I WILL BE THE BELLE OF THE GODDAMN BALL, YO.
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Old 12-16-2012, 10:29 PM   #2053
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No. There's also Ramplate.
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And me.
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I thought you and Knerys were shagging.
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Call me crazy but...what's so bad about Superman Returns? I rewatched it today (got a Superman, Superman II Richard Donner Cut, and Superman Returns blu-ray for free) and while not a fantastic film it's certainly not this train wreck that people make it out to be. My only gripe would be the kid being Superman's son angle which was handled poorly in the context of the other films (Superman was a human being when he and Louis humped, not Kryptonian. Any way you slice it the kid should have no powers). And yeah there were some goofy or campy moments but there were also some really good scenes. Brandon Routh was also a solid Superman, too bad he was given the boot. I think it could have used some polish but they didn't have to ditch the whole franchise and hit the reset button afterwards. Besides, I really admire how they tied it inot the old films too. Shame.
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what's so bad about Superman Returns?
Lex Luthor's scheme doesn't make sense. When I first heard of New Krypton I thought he was building a prison/grave for Superman. Instead, it's another real estate plan. Without a strong villain and a shortage of action scenes, you end up with an awkward Superman film where our hero knocked up Lois Lane, left the planet, and then returns to stalk her. Bryan Singer wasn't the right guy for Superman. He should have sticked with X-Men. Ironically, Brett Ratner's Superman with Matthew Bomer in the role, might have been more promising.
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Aww, I missed the nuptials...

I really wanted to catch the bouquet then look longingly at J-Bone.
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Call me crazy but...what's so bad about Superman Returns? I rewatched it today (got a Superman, Superman II Richard Donner Cut, and Superman Returns blu-ray for free) and while not a fantastic film it's certainly not this train wreck that people make it out to be. My only gripe would be the kid being Superman's son angle which was handled poorly in the context of the other films (Superman was a human being when he and Louis humped, not Kryptonian. Any way you slice it the kid should have no powers). And yeah there were some goofy or campy moments but there were also some really good scenes. Brandon Routh was also a solid Superman, too bad he was given the boot. I think it could have used some polish but they didn't have to ditch the whole franchise and hit the reset button afterwards. Besides, I really admire how they tied it inot the old films too. Shame.
I do agree with you in a lot of ways, but at the same time the movie is so boring.
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It is pretty slow at times I agree, but I think it's hard to put in a ton of action in a Superman movie. After all, he is....Superman.

And that's one thing I forgot that Neverending brought up, but yes Lex Luthor's scheme is pretty much exactly like Superman 1 in that he wants to create land, control it and all that stuff. They even recycle some of the dialogue from the first movie. Now that I can see having a problem with.
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It is pretty slow at times I agree, but I think it's hard to put in a ton of action in a Superman movie. After all, he is....Superman.
True, but I wasn't asking for a ton of action, I was just asking for more than barely any.

I mean what was there? Superman preventing a plane crash (how original) and some dude shooting Superman with a turret and then a pistol...how exciting.
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There were good parts of Superman Returns. In fact, it might be the most introverted and thoughtful of the Superman films. But as an action movie, too? Not even close.
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Dark Knights Rises has its problems but its not garbage. **** like Scary Movie is garbage. Cheaply made with little artistic merit.

All those others had ambition poured into them. That alone makes them worthy of at least considering their strengths and weaknesses.

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Old 12-17-2012, 11:27 AM   #2064
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Don't they live a little far from each other for that?
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There were good parts of Superman Returns. In fact, it might be the most introverted and thoughtful of the Superman films. But as an action movie, too? Not even close.
True, but I don't think the film works entirely as a drama. For all the thoughtful and introspective moments in Superman Returns, none of it comes close to in Donner's original film when, during Jonathan's funeral, Clark says, "All those things I can do. All those powers. And I couldn't even save him." Nothing in Superman Returns is nearly as moving as that.
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Old 12-17-2012, 12:04 PM   #2066
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i actually was watching the first superman the other day, that single shot in the daily planet about 45 minutes in is one of the most impressive single shots i have ever seen.
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Aww, I missed the nuptials...

I really wanted to catch the bouquet then look longingly at J-Bone.
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Old 12-17-2012, 04:53 PM   #2068
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I don't think the film works entirely as a drama.
Most of "the drama" is pretty weak anyway. And totally not fitting for a Superman film.
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Also about Superman Returns: Lois Lane, as played by Kate Bosworth, comes off as too *****y. The point could be made that she had a right to be, considering how Superman knocked her up and left the planet for a few years, but it's still hard to care about her when she comes off like that.

Another thing...the "new planet" that Lex Luthor was trying to create seemed incredibly uninhabitable.
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Old 12-17-2012, 05:35 PM   #2070
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The only redeeming part of Superman Returns is John Ottman's music:

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And the 2-second "WRONG!" clip. The internet thanks them.
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And the 2-second "WRONG!" clip. The internet thanks them.
That I am eternally grateful for.
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Well next up is the Richard Donner cut of Superman II. I haven't seen it yet and I'm awful curious. In case you were wondering I got a pretty killer blu ray 3 pack on sale.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B008MI...r=8-23&pi=SL75
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Donner > Lester

even though it's an unfinished product, it's still superior to Lester's version by leaps and bounds
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The Richard Donner Cut is a bit misleading. It's just a presentation of what his version could have been. Since he never finished shooting the movie, there is no "Donner Cut" per say. I think WB could have used the opportunity to release the infamous International Cut from 1980 which is, by far, the superior version. The Donner and Lester footage is split 50/50 and, considering the circumstances, that's the best way to present the film.
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