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Old 12-16-2012, 12:20 AM   #101
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But that still doesn't excuse how bad the 48fps looks. I haven't seen it, yet I already have a feeling I'll hate it. The new aesthetic looks like a home movie even in the footage that Ewok posted in some other (or was it this one?) thread. You can't really defend it; if it looks like ****, it's ****. That's completely independent of the movie itself, however.
Honestly, it was sooooo hard to focus on the story or even characters most of the time because the lighting was awful due to the footage. RedVader doesn't get it, it's not just a film quality thing, it's the film footage in general that should never had been used. 48fps is still years away from being perfected, so why Jackson decided to take a chance on it now in hopes that it'd be good is beyond me.

My friends are seeing it and asked me to go with them and I might just to see if I can get past it this time. There were good parts and a lot of the chemistry between the dwarves were fun to watch. Granted the Troll scene was awful, the comedy involving the Goblin King was terrible and a lot of the pacing was all over the place, but what killed it for me the most was the footage.
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Old 12-16-2012, 12:33 AM   #102
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It looks too artificial.

I personally don't plan on seeing it in 48fps on my first viewing. Right now, the only digitally enhanced or 3-D movie I'm going to see in theaters is Life of Pi, one I've heard uses it astonishingly well.
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I saw it twice once in 2d and the other 3d 24. It looked best in 2D really.
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Old 12-16-2012, 01:09 AM   #104
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But that still doesn't excuse how bad the 48fps looks. I haven't seen it, yet I already have a feeling I'll hate it. The new aesthetic looks like a home movie even in the footage that Ewok posted in some other (or was it this one?) thread. You can't really defend it; if it looks like ****, it's ****. That's completely independent of the movie itself, however.
I recommend to see it in 2D so don't cheapen your experiance. To be honest the problem was not per say the 3D effects but some of the creatures cgi wise were better then others. But movies must be more then just effects and for me the acting made the effects less a noticable problem for me.
Footage is not the same or a clip as seeing something on the big screen.
But do what you wanna do. But its negative reviews on the site is not surprising for people have had doubts long before the movie was released here.
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Old 12-16-2012, 01:27 AM   #105
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I saw it a few hours ago -- skipped 48fps and just went with good 'ole 24 -- and I actually liked it a lot mkre than I thought. There were problems (pacing, Radagast, King Goblin & his testicle-chin), sure, but it's by no means terrible. I'll have to see it again, and I'll be writing a massive review for my blog tomorrow, but it's a solid 7.5.
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Oh, and this: fighting mountains? Really?
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Old 12-16-2012, 01:48 AM   #107
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Saw this tonight and I honestly don't know why people are b**ching and moaning so much about this film. I thought it was great and kept the feel of the originals. I am not a die-hard by the book Tolkien fan, nor have I read the Hobbit, so I don't have the bias towards the book that some may have. I honestly felt like people were just jumping on the bandwagon of complaining for this movie. I saw it in IMAX 3D (only 24 FPS though), so without the 48 fps I can't comment on that. What I can say is that this movie was a lot more light hearted than the LOTR movies, but that's how the book goes from my understanding. Radagast the Brown reminded me of most of the people I run into here in Portland, so I didn't think he was too out there - just one big hippie wizard.

The one thing that I thought got a little preachy was the scene when Gandolf was talking to the Elf chick and started preaching to the audience about how small kind acts can defeat evil. Just seemed kind of put in there to make a statement instead of a true part of the movie

Since I'm not entirely up on the lore, can someone please explain to me the difference between orcs and goblins? I thought that the dwarves were originally captured by orcs, but then they turned out to be goblins. They looked pretty similar to me frankly.

Overall, I thought this was less serious than the LOTR movies, but very much in spirit with the overall franchise. I don't share the same nit-picking complaints that most do, I just didn't find the film to be that bad. Then again, I am not a film critic, just a casual movie goer. I will say this though - when the movie was done, the theater started applauding the movie. Glad I saw it for myself instead of jumping on the hate bandwagon.

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Radagast the Brown reminded me of most of the people I run into here in Portland, so I didn't think he was too out there - just one big hippie wizard.


As a fellow Oregonian, I know exactly what you mean. I actually think I lived next door to Radagast at one point. And once you get out of Portland (and Eugene), it's all Shire.
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Since I'm not entirely up on the lore, can someone please explain to me the difference between orcs and goblins?
My Tolkien lore might be a little rusty but I believe Orcs are Goblins that were interbred with elves ages ago.
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I think Orcs and Goblins are called the same thing by Tolkien even but I think Orcs were once Elves and Goblins are of Men Kind. I am sure Sauron tortured Men and Elves alike.
But I think Goblins are likely of a Race older then Mordor Orcs. But do consider this factor. Like Human different cultures and skin color maybe just maybe Orc and Goblins just are different depending where they are from.
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VADER stop repeating and commenting on everything we get it already. Your clogging the the thread
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Sorry but then again my review has stayed the same. And If I recall you have gave 3 different opinions and have had to listen to you like the film then back pedal to seem well I guess popular.
I was not talking about the movie in a review they asked what the difference was between and orc and a Goblin. A question anyone can answer.
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As a fellow Oregonian, I know exactly what you mean. I actually think I lived next door to Radagast at one point. And once you get out of Portland (and Eugene), it's all Shire.
LOL, so true. Radagast rides his rabbit sled around Portland. I bet he even bathes more than some of his buddies I see around town.
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LOL, so true. Radagast rides his rabbit sled around Portland. I bet he even bathes more than some of his buddies I see around town.
He has really good pot, but he makes terrible food. He's a true Oregon hippie.
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Anyone else notice how not a single Orc spoke english? Not one of them. Found that bit interesting to say the least. Also how different the Goblins from Goblin Town looked from the ones in Moria in FOTR. Just saying, makeup department got any explanations on that?
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Perhaps the Moria Goblins were different or maybe these Goblins went deeper under ground and joined in Moria and what we seen in Rings were the same Goblins they just became leaderless after BOTFA. Ok I do have a question now in the 3rd movie are they gonna face Orcs or Goblins ???
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Anyone else notice how not a single Orc spoke english? Not one of them. Found that bit interesting to say the least. Also how different the Goblins from Goblin Town looked from the ones in Moria in FOTR. Just saying, makeup department got any explanations on that?
I think it has something to do with the Misty Mountains -- they seem grimier, almost insect-like. Mountain (and cave) dwellers. Notice the Moria ones from Fellowship & this movie, and then look at the ones we meet that come from Mordor. There really is something a little more subterranean to the ones we meet that hail from the Misty Mountains -- they're smaller, faster, and they look relatively creepier. Like if the Orcs from Mordor had creepy cousins from the Appalachian mountains. Maybe that's just me and I'm finding details that really aren't details.
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Anyone else notice how not a single Orc spoke english? Not one of them. Found that bit interesting to say the least. Also how different the Goblins from Goblin Town looked from the ones in Moria in FOTR. Just saying, makeup department got any explanations on that?
I noticed that, and to me it was a little distracting. In FOTR, Lurtz, the main orc villain, never uttered a single word. It growled most of the time, and that was ten times more threatening than when Azog spoke in orc-ish (is that even a word?).

Anyway, there's probably a good explanation as to why the orcs and the goblins looked different. I can see how there are very many breeds out there. You can also tell the difference between Isengard orcs and Mordor orcs, for example. I think, as Brock Landers pointed out, living underground has changed the Moria orcs to something else entirely, with the big eyes being one of them. They've probably also pieced old armors together form their own, which gives them the insect-look.
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Here's my two word review:

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Rabbit Sled?!?!
I know. I think Radagast, on his own, he's fine. He's a little cooky, but I don't mind that at all. It's the rabbit sleigh that people generally have problems with, I feel.
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I think it has something to do with the Misty Mountains -- they seem grimier, almost insect-like. Mountain (and cave) dwellers. Notice the Moria ones from Fellowship & this movie, and then look at the ones we meet that come from Mordor. There really is something a little more subterranean to the ones we meet that hail from the Misty Mountains -- they're smaller, faster, and they look relatively creepier. Like if the Orcs from Mordor had creepy cousins from the Appalachian mountains. Maybe that's just me and I'm finding details that really aren't details.
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I noticed that, and to me it was a little distracting. In FOTR, Lurtz, the main orc villain, never uttered a single word. It growled most of the time, and that was ten times more threatening than when Azog spoke in orc-ish (is that even a word?).

Anyway, there's probably a good explanation as to why the orcs and the goblins looked different. I can see how there are very many breeds out there. You can also tell the difference between Isengard orcs and Mordor orcs, for example. I think, as Brock Landers pointed out, living underground has changed the Moria orcs to something else entirely, with the big eyes being one of them. They've probably also pieced old armors together form their own, which gives them the insect-look.
Guys, the dwellers from Moria aren't Orcs, they're Goblins. And the ones from Mordor aren't Goblins, they're Orcs.

Two different classes completely.

Another noteworthy thing to bring up, the Orcs in this film were ten times harder to kill than any Orc in the LOTR films combined, lol.
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Guys, the dwellers from Moria aren't Orcs, they're Goblins. And the ones from Mordor aren't Goblins, they're Orcs.

Two different classes completely.
I stand corrected.
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I will say that Azog is the biggest Orc I ever saw. But I will admit they made The Great Goblin a bit lame.
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