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Old 12-05-2012, 01:14 AM   #1976
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I love 25th Hour, I'll give him that.
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Old 12-05-2012, 06:06 AM   #1977
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You're both nuts.

I'll grant you that Spike Lee isn't the most consistent filmmaker by any means, but when he's on he's unstoppable and I don't think he's ever made a film which isn't at least interesting.

Do the Right Thing in particular is an unassailable masterpiece, what's your beef with it?
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Old 12-05-2012, 07:22 AM   #1978
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I enjoyed 25th hour and Inside Man. But Spike Lee hasn't done anything truely great for a long time. And he is about to ruin Oldboy...
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Old 12-05-2012, 02:33 PM   #1979
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25th Hour and Inside Man were both good. And yeah, his idea of remaking Oldboy is absurd. One of my favorite movies. I still can't believe--well, I can, but I didn't expect him to be doing it--it's being remade.
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Inside Man was entertaining as well. I found Do the Right Thing tedious and filled with mixed messages.
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Old 12-06-2012, 11:21 AM   #1981
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Call me crazy, but...

1. TDKR
2. Batman Begins
3. TDK

(All 9/10s.)
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Old 12-06-2012, 11:27 AM   #1982
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Old 12-06-2012, 11:36 AM   #1983
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Old 12-06-2012, 11:49 AM   #1984
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Call me crazy, but...

1. TDKR
2. Batman Begins
3. TDK

(All 9/10s.)
For me:

1. TDK
2. TDKR
3. Batman Begins

I'm pretty much on the same page with the ratings, though.
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Old 12-06-2012, 04:51 PM   #1985
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Moviebuff is pretty close with mine. After seeing TDKR again on Blu Ray (hopefully tonight) I'll probably decide.
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Moviebuff's 3 movie list is pretty close to yours?
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There is a one out of 6 chance, Jbond. That's quite the odds.
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Old 12-06-2012, 05:34 PM   #1988
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1. TDKR
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(All 9/10s.)
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Ahhh, yes, a one in six chance of being EXACT, but he said "pretty close." If we were to suppose "pretty close" means one off, then the chances change to 3 in 6, or 50% chance.

1, 2, 3
1, 3, 2
2, 1, 3

2, 3, 1
3, 1, 2
3, 2, 1

And that's from a pure probability standpoint. It doesn't take into consideration that just about everyone finds The Dark Knight to be the favorite.
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Well, it looks like Masterchief HAS to post his list now.
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As we wait for MasterChief, I'll take this topic in a new direction.

AS MOVIES, I'd say

Dark Knight
Begins
Rises

But as BATMAN ADAPTATIONS, it's become quite clear to me that it's

Begins
Dark Knight
Rises

In other words, the more Batman movies Christopher Nolan made the less faithful to the comics they became. Batman Begins has many flaws. Doomsday and I have spent 7 years pointing them out. But it can't be denied it's a pretty good adaptation of contemporary Batman comic books. Despite all the "realism", Nolan throws in The Narrows and Arkham Asylum to give the movie a proper Batman look, style, and tone. There is A LOT of action scenes and superhero heroics. And most importantly, it has HEART.

The Dark Knight is an incredible film. It's easily the best in the trilogy. HOWEVER, it's basically a crime thriller with Batman characters in it. It reminds me of Batman Returns. People say that's a Tim Burton movie with Batman characters. Well... Dark Knight is a Chris Nolan movie with Batman characters. Dark Knight gets so lost in "realism" it forgets to be a superhero movie. That's something Begins didn't suffer from.

As for Rises, well, it pretty much spit on the mythology. And I wonder how many years it's gonna take for fanboys to wake up and realize that.
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1. TDK
2. BB
3. TDKR

As for Easy A, I liked it but it is a bit overrated.
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AS MOVIES, I'd say

Dark Knight
Begins
Rises

But as BATMAN ADAPTATIONS, it's become quite clear to me that it's

Begins
Dark Knight
Rises

In other words, the more Batman movies Christopher Nolan made the less faithful to the comics they became. Batman Begins has many flaws. Doomsday and I have spent 7 years pointing them out. But it can't be denied it's a pretty good adaptation of contemporary Batman comic books. Despite all the "realism", Nolan throws in The Narrows and Arkham Asylum to give the movie a proper Batman look, style, and tone. There is A LOT of action scenes and superhero heroics. And most importantly, it has HEART.

The Dark Knight is an incredible film. It's easily the best in the trilogy. HOWEVER, it's basically a crime thriller with Batman characters in it. It reminds me of Batman Returns. People say that's a Tim Burton movie with Batman characters. Well... Dark Knight is a Chris Nolan movie with Batman characters. Dark Knight gets so lost in "realism" it forgets to be a superhero movie. That's something Begins didn't suffer from.

As for Rises, well, it pretty much spit on the mythology. And I wonder how many years it's gonna take for fanboys to wake up and realize that.
I will say that the ideologies presented in TDK are very true to the Batman world, but as far as tone goes, you're probably right about Begins.
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Probably the same number of years it will take for Bond fans to realize that Daniel Craig's films do the same to that franchise.
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Growing up, the Brosnan films were the bee's knees. Everyone thought so. Now people say they're silly 90s action films and the serious ones are better. Every iteration of the Bond series will start high then go back down after it's replaced. Except for Connery.
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That's 99.9% true. And the reason I say that is because George Lazenby and Timothy Dalton were not popular with the mainstream. That's why you gotta give Daniel Craig SOME credit. When he was cast, everybody thought it was a terrible choice. Remember that CraigNotBond website? People expected him to be the next Lazenby and Dalton. Instead, he became 2nd-to-Connery if movie attendance are any indication.

Craig still has a couple of Bond movies left on his contract. If he ever manages to make a traditional Bond film, I think people will be okay with the different ones. I may have my issues with Dark Knight Rises, but I still appreciate what Nolan & Bale did with the previous two movies. Their legacy isn't harmed as far as I'm concerned. But.....

As you pointed out, fanboys are just crazy that way. Burton/Keaton, like Brosnan, was the "bee's knee" in the `90s and look how those films are treated now. Raimi/Maguire were the "bee's knee" in the `00s and look how those movies are treated now.
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That's why you gotta give Daniel Craig SOME credit. When he was cast, everybody thought it was a terrible choice. Remember that CraigNotBond website?
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After seeing The Dark Knight Rises again, in the comfort of my home in glorious Blu-ray, I remain undecided in my decision. There is no doubt that The Dark Knight is the better choice (character balance, story logic, less plot holes, consistent). Batman Begins has more character balance but the themes in TDKR are more pronounced (regardless of how rampant they are). Eh. I can't decide.
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