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Old 12-05-2012, 12:26 AM   #1276
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Let James Cameron do it. I'm still uncomfortable with using The Hobbit as a lab experiment.
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Old 12-05-2012, 12:30 AM   #1277
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It's hard to explain, but I already know I'm not going to like 48 fps.
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Old 12-05-2012, 12:42 AM   #1278
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It's hard to explain, but I already know I'm not going to like 48 fps.
Yeah, me too. Maybe there is a reason why 24 FPS has been around for such a long time. Maybe 48 FPS enhances fast moving 3D images, yes, but I feel maybe it shouldn't have a blanket effect throughout the film. Is it possible to have both 24 and 48 in the same movie? I don't know the technical feasibility of that but, if we can get the best of both worlds, great. I feel that, in order to enjoy 48 FPS, you almost have to buy into the whole 3D thing. For those of us who's never liked 3D in the first place, we are always gonna prefer 24 FPS. And I hate it when people say that, just because you dislike 48 FPS and/or 3D, you are somehow "too nostalgic" and are unwilling to embrace the future of filmmaking. I don't think that's the case at all.
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Old 12-05-2012, 12:48 AM   #1279
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LOTR movies have acting?
The best actors in the Clips I saw seemed to be The Actor Playing Balin and of course Ian McKellan.
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Old 12-05-2012, 12:49 AM   #1280
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seems like people are complaining about two things 1) Length and 2) 48FPS.
And neither is surprising since people have been complaining about both since day one.
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Old 12-05-2012, 01:18 AM   #1281
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As opposed to people who have problems with something that magically go away come movie time...

Or I suppose they're self-fulfiling prophecies 100% of the time?
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Old 12-05-2012, 01:32 AM   #1282
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There are a lot of reasons to be excited for The Hobbit: An Unexpected Journey. It's a movie made for anyone who likes adventure. Who likes fantasy. Who likes intense motion sickness. Yep, if you're pregnant, have a heart condition or have difficulty riding Batman: The Ride at Six Flags, chances are this movie is not for you. Early screenings of Peter Jackson's first installment of his new Middle Earth trilogy are apparently causing nausea and headaches to many of the viewers who find the 3D frame rate of 48 frames per second (twice the normal rate) the film was shot in difficult to watch.

The doubled frame rate is supposed to add more realism to the footage, much in the same way of the battle scenes in Saving Private Ryan, but apparently as one viewer put it, 'you have to hold your stomach down and let your eyes pop at first to adjust. This is not for wimps.' And another fan said the experience of the watching the movie was like 'having motion sickness similar to being on a rollercoaster.' And that's why we're pushing #Hobbitvomit on Twitter today. Because the only thing worse than a hairy-footed dwarf, is one that makes you throw up.
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Old 12-05-2012, 04:34 AM   #1283
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I'm watching the special features on Dark Knight Rises and they used 48fps during some of the effects shots. It's funny when you tell no one, people don't notice. Maybe that's what Peter Jackson should have done.
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Old 12-05-2012, 05:11 AM   #1284
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I don't get why PJ or Cameron haven't shown an interest in shooting their Hobbit/Avatar movies with IMAX cameras. TDK and TDKR are far and away the best looking movies on that format.
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Old 12-05-2012, 05:13 AM   #1285
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If only everybody thinks like Nolan. IMAX should be the standard, not 3D.
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Old 12-05-2012, 05:22 AM   #1286
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Old 12-05-2012, 05:34 AM   #1287
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On "Dark Knight Rises" there was certain shots during the action sequences that couldn't be done with IMAX, so they used an IMAX-lite camera called Vista Vision and then used 48fps to sync the two formats as well as add more energy/speed to the action. And no one in the audience even noticed. I think Peter Jackson reveals way too much beforehand with his video diaries and people make judgments too quickly and bring that prejudice into the cinema. Saying you're gonna hate 48fps before seeing a single footage means you already made up your mind.
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Old 12-05-2012, 05:47 AM   #1288
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I think the advent of HDTV has something to do with the hate towards 48 FPS. Just got myself a HDTV and everything looks weird as hell.
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Old 12-05-2012, 05:57 AM   #1289
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HDTV's are tricky. You have to buy one that suits your needs. The one I have has different modes to compliment different programming. If I'm watching a movie, it looks like a movie with less lighting and darker colors and whatnot. If I'm watching sports it's bright and colorful and has steady movement. Those HDTV's with general features where everything looks the same no matter what are the problematic ones. And the ones people tend to buy since they're cheaper.
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Old 12-05-2012, 09:56 AM   #1290
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It's hard to explain, but I already know I'm not going to like 48 fps.
Kind of like how you know you wouldn't like getting stuck in prison with a cellmate named Bubba who wants to dress you in pink all the time? Yeah - I hear you.
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It felt like watching daytime soaps in HD, terrible BBC broadcasts, or Faerie Tale Theater circa 1985, only in amazingly sharp clarity and with hobbits.
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I'm seeing it in IMAX 3D thankfully it's not in 48fps
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Old 12-05-2012, 10:17 AM   #1293
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You should watch it in 48fps. As a film critic, it is your job to report on it.
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Old 12-05-2012, 10:28 AM   #1294
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On my initial viewing I won't be seeing it in 48fps. It'll just be a distraction.
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Old 12-05-2012, 10:34 AM   #1295
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I've been doing a lot of thinking based on the reviews, and here are some thoughts. First, we can group the main problems identified into two. One, the faster frame rate. Two, the length. Let's break it down a little more.

1) 48 FPS
I think this is an easy problem to avoid. If you think you will not like the movie in 48 FPS, it is probably easier to avoid it. In fact, it is probably easier to catch it in every other format than 48 FPS. I think, if you are watching the movie for the first time, you don't want to be distracted with whether or not you like the faster frame rate. You want to focus on the plot, the actors, the special effects, etc. Watch the movie in 48 FPS on the second or third viewing, then you can really, objectively, see if you do or do not like it.

2) The Length
Most of the negative reviews point out the length of the film, particularly the first 40 minutes, to be bloated. Some of the materials, people said, should've been left to the extended edition, or omitted completely. I haven't watched the movie, so I cannot be the judge of that. However, do you guys remember The Two Towers? Having watched the trilogy closed to a hundred times over the last ten years (no joke), I can objectively say that TTT has the slowest, most tedious build-up out of all three movies. Between Treebeard, Aragorn and Arwen's story line and Sam, Frodo and Gollum walking, TTT really took some time to kick into high gear. I think the reason why less people had problems with that is because we were already invested in the LOTR universe. By the time TTT came around, FOTR has already had such a big impact that the slowness didn't quite bother people. Now that the universe has taken a ten-year long break, people are probably eager to jump right back into it. The problem is that PJ has a thing with slow beginnings, and perhaps people haven't been as forgiving with his pacing as they were back when TTT was released. I honestly think the slow start will be a problem if you haven't read the books, if you aren't already a fan of LOTR, and probably viewers with really short attention span.

Also, I have read a few reviews that the tone is completely different. Well, if you've read the book, you know that it is radically different from LOTR as well. In fact, when LOTR was published, initial reviews bashed the trilogy, saying that the tone was too serious and too different from The Hobbit – same thing. I think people need to realize that the source material is meant for children, and a bit of campiness should be expected.

It's a little ridiculous of me to be defending the movie prior to watching it myself (one more week), but I just feel like I need to put my thoughts out there. I strongly feel that, while many complaints are justifiable, they can also be easily mitigated or understood.
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On my initial viewing I won't be seeing it in 48fps. It'll just be a distraction.
The reviewers on TheOneRing.net, the centre of online LOTR geekdom, actually recommended the same thing. Which goes to show how big a distraction 48 FPS can be if you are not ready for it. Reading their review also allowed me to make my choice more clearly. I actually picked up a pair of 2D tickets for opening night instead of a IMAX 3D in HFR.
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For those who haven't yet seen what the 48 fps will look like - here's a link to the trailer in 48 fps:

http://www.48fpsmovies.com/The_Hobbi...ey_Trailer.mp4
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Old 12-05-2012, 10:53 AM   #1298
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not sure you can lump everyone into two categories... sounds like you are trying to explain away the bad reviews, which is a typical fanboy thing to do, specifically when you haven't even seen the movie. i mean you essentially called them philistines that have ADD, can't handle a 3 hour movie, i mean come on, listen to yourself.

he split it into three movies... length wouldn't be a problem i'm sure, if SOMETHING happened in this first episode.
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Old 12-05-2012, 11:55 AM   #1299
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From what I am hearing the 48 fps were only going to be released to limited screens anyways and most people would get regular 2D and 3D. So we may not even notice it like people who went to premiere screenings.
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Hah--it does remind me of a home movie. Why did he do this, again?
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