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Old 11-12-2012, 12:01 AM   #101
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Bond was getting lost in this frantic attempt to make him edgier and grittier.
This is a good example of what I mean. The edgy and gritty Bond existed before Daniel Craig. Timothy Dalton did it in 1989. And one could argue that Roger Moore, of all people, did it as well in 1981. We haven't seen the last of "Gritty Bond." He'll return. But if people continue to re-write history, they won't notice. I mean, here we are, 6 years later, and the notion is that Bond was "getting lost." He wasn't lost. He was simply keeping it fresh. If every Bond movie was the same, the series wouldn't have lasted 50 years.

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So, you're saying that Casino Royale was neither of those things?

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the franchise will be stronger for it.
The franchise will be stronger for this amazing "origin trilogy." Here is a 50-year-old character that got an amazing face-lift by simply going back to the beginning. As great as Skyfall is, it's part of a package.

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Bonds films couldn't have reach this point without learning from the mistakes and triumphs of it own past.
Or simply re-inventing the wheel. Skyfall is essentially The World Is Not Enough but with the focus shifted to M and post-9/11.

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Dark Knights Rises has its problems but its not garbage. **** like Scary Movie is garbage. Cheaply made with little artistic merit.

All those others had ambition poured into them. That alone makes them worthy of at least considering their strengths and weaknesses.

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when we write reviews, there personally made hoping you like em.
Funny you should mention that because I didn't even bother to read yours.
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This is a good example of what I mean. The edgy and gritty Bond existed before Daniel Craig. Timothy Dalton did it in 1989. And one could argue that Roger Moore, of all people, did it as well in 1981. We haven't seen the last of "Gritty Bond." He'll return. But if people continue to re-write history, they won't notice. I mean, here we are, 6 years later, and the notion is that Bond was "getting lost." He wasn't lost. He was simply keeping it fresh. If every Bond movie was the same, the series wouldn't have lasted 50 years.
I don't know the Dalton or Moore years as well, so maybe I'm not equipped to argue this point but Quantum of Solace, while stylish, suffered from a lot of bloat. But by design, this franchise keeps it fresh by bringing in new blood. My point was this movie deserves to watched and shouldn't be dropped down peg because of it's overwhelming appeal.



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The franchise will be stronger for this amazing "origin trilogy." Here is a 50-year-old character that got an amazing face-lift by simply going back to the beginning. As great as Skyfall is, it's part of a package.
They're all part of the package and I'm not denying that. This one has the added benefit of being able to stand on it's own two feet. For average movie goers, that's important. It's a Bond they can enjoy without having to know the entire history of the franchise (or even this latest reboot). Butts in the seats, my friend.


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Or simply re-inventing the wheel. Skyfall is essentially The World Is Not Enough but with the focus shifted to M and post-9/11.
Bond "re-invents" the wheel very time a new actor takes up the moniker. What's your point?



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I mean, here we are, 6 years later, and the notion is that Bond was "getting lost." He wasn't lost. He was simply keeping it fresh. If every Bond movie was the same, the series wouldn't have lasted 50 years.
Recently we've seen the removal of Q, Moneypenny, the James Bond theme, and the gun barrel opening. To say the series was losing its way is not tunnel vision.
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It's a Bond they can enjoy without having to know the entire history of the franchise (or even this latest reboot).
From what I can tell, Skyfall, along with Casino Royale and Quantum of Solace, were designed to bring in a new fanbase. These three films are the "Batman Begins" of the James Bond series.

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Recently we've seen the removal of Q, Moneypenny, the James Bond theme, and the gun barrel opening. To say the series was losing its way is not tunnel vision.
All those things were removed for a higher purpose. This franchise has lasted 50 years. They know what they're doing.
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Easily the best Bond in recent memory and I felt certainly passed "Casino Royale" and "Goldeneye" in terms of the best contemporary Bond films. The direction is excellent, Roger Deakins of all people does what he always does and shoots a beauty of a film, and Daniel Craig finally establishes his own Bond and delivers another terrific performance. Bardiem was very good as the villain, even if I felt his character didn't get to do as much as I had hoped, and overall the cast was strong, and I liked the storyline of M's intentions and getting her involved in the story more. Short review but I really enjoyed "Skyfall" and I hope this is the direction the franchise is heading in.

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Just out of curiosity, for the people that saw this, any idea where you may rank this in the bond movies? I know its only been out for a few days, but just seeing how people view it at this point.
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Skyfall(11/9/2012)
I’ll say it upfront, I’m a massive James Bond fan and I watch the films in the series with the zeal of a “fanboy.” I’m a James Bond traditionalist and it’s because of this that I’ve had an awfully hard time wrestling with the recent entries in the series which have starred Daniel Craig in the iconic role. When Casino Royale opened up without the series’ trademark gun barrel cold open I nearly had a heart attack, however, the film that followed was quite strong and I ultimately had to put my reservations aside and admit that the film was overall a success. I figured that with the series now rebooted the films that followed would get back to basics and we’d never see such heresy again… then for some ungodly reason the next film, Quantum of Solace, didn’t have the gun barrel cold open either. Had that second film been anywhere near as good as Casino Royale I probably would have held my nose and approved yet again, but it wasn’t. Quantum of Solace sucked both as a bond film and as a regular action movie and the fact that the filmmakers stepped all over the franchise traditions that I hold dear in order to make that monstrosity only made the film’s failure sting all the worse. Still, I held out hope that the producers behind the series would view the series reboot as complete and the next film would finally return the gun barrel cold open to the beginning of the film where it belongs.

After a four year wait the third bond film starring Daniel Craig has finally arrived, and the god damn thing still doesn’t open with gun barrel cold open… WHY MUST YOU PEOPLE KEEP RIPPING MY SOUL APART! I know all this sounds crazy, and no, this isn’t really just about a fifteen second piece that I believe belongs at the beginning of these movies. This is about a mindset that seems to have infected Eon Productions and led to the creation of three straight films made by people who seems to think it was their duty to “fix” the bond series when I for one think the series was never in need of fixing. It’s like they’re so obsessed with reboots that they don’t know when to just roll with what they have. It all seems like some kind of massive over-reaction to the shortcomings of the 2003 bond film Die Another Day, which as admittedly terrible, but the series has seen worse and hasn’t needed to go to these lengths to come back before. All that said, I’m not going to judge Skyfall harshly out of some misguided sense of purism. I did like Casino Royale quite a bit in spite of its transgressions from the traditions of the series and I was more than willing to give Skyfall the same credit if it turned out to be a solid film unto itself.

The film’s opening scene feels almost like an encapsulation of the first Mission: Impossible movie, firstly because it involves a fight on top of a moving train and secondly because it involves a list of undercover agents’ identities being stolen by international terrorists. This theft would come back to haunt MI6 when it falls in the hands of a mysterious terrorist (Javier Bardem) who begins launching a series of cyber attacks which seem to be directed directly at M (Judi Dench). M plays a much larger role in this film than in most Bond films and here she’s under fire both from the mysterious hacker/terrorist and from people within the British government including a bureaucrat named Gareth Mallory (Ralph Fiennes) who suggests that both M and Bond are old fashioned and outdated. In spite of some personal setbacks, Bond is sent to track down the man behind the attacks and bring him to justice.

The man brought aboard to direct this installment in the franchise was Sam Mendes, a director I’ve largely supported, especially in his early years. Still, the choice worried me. Bond movies are usually made by filmmakers who are solid but anonymous. It’s the one series where I’d prefer not to see Oscar nominated filmmakers, at least if Marc Forster’s disastrous stint directing Quantum of Solace was any indication. Fortunately, Mendes handles himself behind the camera much better than Forster did. Forster’s misguided attempt to co-opt the Bourne series’ “shaky-cam” is gone. Mendes style is largely simple and elegant. Roger Deakins has been brought on board as cinematographer and he does a lot to elevate the film by giving it a really sharp and glossy veneer. This is not to mean that Mendes’ direction is a sterling example of control and discipline, as the film does go off in some strange directions at time like a bizarre scene involving CGI kimono dragon and a misguided Albert Finney cameo late in the film (they should have just written that guy out as soon as it was obvious that a Sean Connery cameo wasn't going to happen). It also doesn’t mean that I think Skyfall works terrifically as an action movie unto itself. In that regard it’s actually kind of flawed. The film reminded me of the troubles facing the 1999 Bond film The World is Not Enough in that it opens with an incredible action scene which the film is then unable to top later on. In fact the opening actions scene is the only setpiece that truly feels “Bondian,” the rest feel more like what you’d expect from a typical if well made big budget Hollywood action movie.

Where the movie really started to go off the rails for me was when it introduced Javier Bardem as the villainous Raoul Silva. Silva is an ex-MI6 agent looking for revenge, a background that bears a striking similarity to Alec Trevelyan, the antagonist from the 1995 Bond film Goldeneye. While Trevelyan exacted his revenge through the typical evil villain means, Silva’s revenge is a bit more personal. In fact his methods bear a striking similarity to the methods of The Joker in The Dark Knight. I might go so far as to call it a ripoff. On top of that, I really hated a lot of the decisions that Bardem and the writers made in the characterization of Silva, specifically their decision to make strong hints in regards to his sexuality. That the filmmakers choose to make a gay man into a Bond villain is not objectionable in and of itself, but they opted to turn Silva into a twisted character driven by bizarre mother-issues and sexual urges. Between that and some not-so-subtle symbolism that’s employed in the character’s death scene, the whole thing struck me as rather homophobic and unsavory.

I also wasn’t amused by a running meta-gag about a sort of civil war between “the old ways” and “the new ways,” which is clearly intended to be a statement about old-fashioned action films and modern action films. This is odd firstly because it requires characters to continuously insinuate that Daniel Craig’s bond is “old.” Weren’t they just calling this Bond a young new agent just two movies ago? It’s like this movie wants to be both reboot and the culmination of a character’s years of accomplishments all at the same time and it just doesn’t compute. What’s more, modern audiences have yet to dismiss a single Bond film for being “old fashioned.” Every single Bond movie since Goldeneye has made more money than the last, even the much maligned Die Another Day was a huge box office success, and yet this movie operates as if the series has been up against the ropes of the last two decades.

So I guess now I’ve circled back around to my over-arching objection to the direction that this franchise has been heading in. All the producers really need to do at this point is relax and stop trying to turn every installment of the franchise into some sort of grand statement about itself and also to stop panicking every time one film doesn’t quite work work. That’s all I ask… and that the next movie opens with the gun barrel sequence… that’s all. It that too much to ask? Anyway, I’ll again reiterate that my problems with Skyfall do go deeper than my Bond movie fanboyism. It’s certainly an improvement over the dreadful Quantum of Solace but I probably prefer Casino Royale on almost every level. It had better action scenes, a more original plot, more psychological depth, and it generally felt more reverent towards the series even as it was actively subverting it. I expect that the film will impress many, but I also suspect that once people get over the pretty photography they'll be less enthusiastic and see it for the flawed installment that it is.
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After a four year wait the third bond film starring Daniel Craig has finally arrived, and the god damn thing still doesn’t open with gun barrel cold open… WHY MUST YOU PEOPLE KEEP RIPPING MY SOUL APART!
Are you really missing what is happening here? These films are, essentially, prequels. They are showing us the Bond that existed before his resolve was cemented. We see the origins of Moneypenny, James' refusal to be romantically involved with a woman again after the events in CR, a series staple Q, and Bond essentially becoming the agent we grew up with. I think this is pretty obvious and obviously why the gun barrel opening happens at the end of the movie: to signify that we are now fully 100% with the Bond that, as stated before, we grew up with.

Think of this as a three-part installment reboot of the entire series. Or, at least, an origin story told over the course of three movies.

Also, you being a Bond purist, I am a little surprised you were so taken aback at the "lack of action" in this film. I recall most of the movies not being some action-packed romp full of constant gunfire and explosions, and I think Brosnan's films (arguably the weakest of the entire franchise, save for Goldeneye) went more for action than for capability. What more were you looking for?
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I think this is pretty obvious and obviously why the gun barrel opening happens at the end of the movie: to signify that we are now fully 100% with the Bond that, as stated before, we grew up with.

Also, you being a Bond purist, I am a little surprised you were so taken aback at the "lack of action" in this film. I recall most of the movies not being some action-packed romp full of constant gunfire and explosions, and I think Brosnan's films (arguably the weakest of the entire franchise, save for Goldeneye) went more for action than for capability. What more were you looking for?
Nope, the gun barrel was at the end of the last two movies.

But I agree on your "lack of action" comment.
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I had completely forgotten that Naomie Harris was Calypso in Pirates of the Caribbean. She has range! Our new Moneypenny might be over-qualified. lol.
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She's also in 28 Days Later...
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After I saw the movie, the person I saw it with asked me what they might have seen Naomie Harris in previously. The first thing I said was that she'd played Tia Dalma/Calypso in the Pirates sequels, and they went, "Oh yeah!"
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Makes sense that you'd know that
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