FOX and Marvel

[Neverending]

Tom Rothman was fired today as Chairman of FOX Movies. This is major news because this is the dude responsible for FOX being a mixed bag over the past two decades. And that includes the half-assed Marvel films. So, it will be interesting to see how this will affect upcoming Marvel movies like Wolverine, First Class pt 2, and the Fantastic Four reboot. Any thoughts or comments? ALSO, considering that FOX has the rights to so many Marvel characters, there has been talks of FOX producing an "Avengers-esque" film. So, I wonder if that will actually happen with new leadership. Can you imagine the X-Men and Fantastic Four teaming up to battle Galatcus? That'd be cool.

[Nick1988]

X-men teaming up with Fantastic Four doesn't have the same appeal as X-men or FF characters teaming up with the real Avengers team.

Imagine Wolverine and one of the FF teaming up with Thor,Iron Man,Hulk and Captain America? it would be too epic, not sure if one word could describe it.

Thats what would make Avengers larger then life if they could include characters like Spider-man or Wolverine.

[Dracula]

Originally Posted by Neverending

ALSO, considering that FOX has the rights to so many Marvel characters, there has been talks of FOX producing an "Avengers-esque" film. So, I wonder if that will actually happen with new leadership. Can you imagine the X-Men and Fantastic Four teaming up to battle Galatcus? That'd be cool.

I can't see it. At least not with the iteration of the X-Men that Bryan Singer created which is fairly grounded in a realistic world.

[Nick1988]

Well apparently the next X-men film will be about the Days of Future Past storyline, which involves TIME TRAVEL.

[Wyldstaar]

Originally Posted by Dracula

I can't see it. At least not with the iteration of the X-Men that Bryan Singer created which is fairly grounded in a realistic world.

While X-Men: First Class was marketed as a prequel to the first X-Men trilogy, it doesn't seem as though the producers have any strong interest in staying true to that impression. I suspect this was done to ease the audience into the new status quo. Now that we've been introduced to the new version of the franchise successfully, anything goes.

[Neverending]

"The Last Stand" and "Origins" weren't very grounded either.

[Dracula]

Originally Posted by Wyldstaar

While X-Men: First Class was marketed as a prequel to the first X-Men trilogy, it doesn't seem as though the producers have any strong interest in staying true to that impression. I suspect this was done to ease the audience into the new status quo. No that we've been introduced to the new version of the franchise successfully, anything goes.

But they very directly tied First Class into the older films, there's hardly anything they needed to retcon and they even brought in Hugh Jackman and Rebecca Romijn to reprise their roles in cameos.

Also, these movies are very global in their reach, it's pretty much an entire universe that's been defined by the "mutant issue." I just can't envision a group like the Fantastic Four and Galactus being a part of that. I could maybe see them doing that with the other hero they have the rights to, Daredevil.

[Dhamon22]

They just lost the rights of Daredevil. They won't be able to get a project going in time so he goes back to Marvel soon.

[Neverending]

And they probably would have never lost Daredevil if Tom Rothman had his s--t together. So, as I said, it wouldn't surprise me if the new leadership make a lot of changes in the way they treat their Marvel properties.

[Wyldstaar]

Originally Posted by Dhamon22

They just lost the rights of Daredevil. They won't be able to get a project going in time so he goes back to Marvel soon.

Technically, Fox doesn't lose Daredevil until sometime in October, but you're right that they can't possibly get anything going before the deadline.

The original X-Men trilogy, Origins: Wolverine and First Class all have completely contradictory timelines. In First Class, we see Cyclops, Jean and Storm during the Cerebro scan as being about ten years old in 1962, while in 1979, Cyclops is shown to be in high school. In the X-Trilogy, Cyke, Jean and Storm are all in their late twenties or early thirties. The William Striker in 1962 is older than the one we see in 1979, and around the same age as the one we see in X2. The Emma Frost of 1962 was an adult, while the version of her who appeared in 1979 is a teen. The Sabertooth of 1979 didn't know how to shut up, while the one from "The not too distant future" did little more than growl.

As for cross-over between X-Men and Fantastic Four, I just don't see that happening. While the FF do have their proper origins during the space race of the same era as First Class, I can't imagine Fox going that route with yet another franchise.

[Neverending]

Originally Posted by Wyldstaar

I can't imagine Fox going that route

I'm sure they've looked at the box office for The Avengers and thought, "hey, we can do something like that."

[Wyldstaar]

Originally Posted by Neverending

I'm sure they've looked at the box office for The Avengers and thought, "hey, we can do something like that."

I'm sure they have as well. I just don't think they have the capability to follow through. Theoretically, Fox has the licenses necessary to go just as big as The Avengers. Their X-Men license grants them access to EVERY character in the Marvel Universe who is a mutant. That's a vast catalog with loads of potential. So far, Fox has shown no sign of being able to exploit that potential to the fullest.

[Dracula]

Originally Posted by Wyldstaar

Technically, Fox doesn't lose Daredevil until sometime in October, but you're right that they can't possibly get anything going before the deadline.

The original X-Men trilogy, Origins: Wolverine and First Class all have completely contradictory timelines. In First Class, we see Cyclops, Jean and Storm during the Cerebro scan as being about ten years old in 1962, while in 1979, Cyclops is shown to be in high school. In the X-Trilogy, Cyke, Jean and Storm are all in their late twenties or early thirties. The William Striker in 1962 is older than the one we see in 1979, and around the same age as the one we see in X2. The Emma Frost of 1962 was an adult, while the version of her who appeared in 1979 is a teen. The Sabertooth of 1979 didn't know how to shut up, while the one from "The not too distant future" did little more than growl.

As for cross-over between X-Men and Fantastic Four, I just don't see that happening. While the FF do have their proper origins during the space race of the same era as First Class, I can't imagine Fox going that route with yet another franchise.

Sounds like it was mostly just the Wolverine movie that ****ed things up, which makes sense since it was the only one (aside from X3) that Bryan Singer didn't at least produce.

[Neverending]

Originally Posted by Wyldstaar

Fox has shown no sign of being able to exploit that potential to the fullest.

Tom Rothman is gone. A new era is upon us.

Originally Posted by Dracula

Sounds like it was mostly just the Wolverine movie that ****ed things up

"Mostly" being the keyword. The BIG retcon that First Class made was the Xavier and Magneto relationship. In X3, they were still friends and partners in the `70s. PLUS, Xavier can walk. Actually... as I think about it right this moment, that was a MAJOR continuity error because the whole Jean Grey/Pheonix backstory makes no sense now.

[Wyldstaar]

Originally Posted by Neverending

Tom Rothman is gone. A new era is upon us.

Jim Gianopulos has taken his place. He's been a co-head of Fox alongside Rothman since 2000. The more things change...

[Dracula]

Originally Posted by Neverending

"Mostly" being the keyword. The BIG retcon that First Class made was the Xavier and Magneto relationship. In X3, they were still friends and partners in the `70s. PLUS, Xavier can walk. Actually... as I think about it right this moment, that was a MAJOR continuity error because the whole Jean Grey/Pheonix backstory makes no sense now.

I forgot about that... it still fits in pretty well with the two X-Men films worth acknowledging anyway.

[Neverending]

Conclusion: the X-Men series is a mess. If there was ever a franchise that needed rebooting, it would be this one.

[Nick1988]

If you reboot x-men then youre just gonna have another Amazing Spider-man situation, a reboot no one cares for.

If the next X-men is a complete bomb and is a god awful movie, then yeah reboot it, but right now there is no need to reboot it, just like there was no need to reboot with Spider-man with another origin movie.

Batman worked, because it was NEEDED, Batman and Robin was awful and bombed and was considered one of the worst movies ever made, and enough time passed with no Batman that people welcomed the idea of another Batman movie.

All these consistency issues are pretty moot imo, not sure whats the big deal is.

[Dracula]

Originally Posted by Neverending

Conclusion: the X-Men series is a mess. If there was ever a franchise that needed rebooting, it would be this one.

Nah, First Class has it on a good track, not every series needs to fit together perfectly.

[Neverending]

Originally Posted by Dracula

Nah, First Class has it on a good track, not every series needs to fit together perfectly.

I agree but the continuity errors are too big to ignore. Look at the Burton/Schumacher Batman films for example. They're very different from one another but thematically they never contradict each other.

[Wyldstaar]

Originally Posted by Nick1988

If you reboot x-men then youre just gonna have another Amazing Spider-man situation, a reboot no one cares for.

X-Men: First Class is for all intents and purposes a soft reboot, much like Casino Royale was for 007. They both contain elements from previous films in the franchise, but also contain a number of key elements which directly contradict what happened before.

[Henri Ducard]

Mark Millar (Wanted, Kick-Ass) has been hired by Fox to Shepard its Marvel films.

[bbf2]

Originally Posted by Neverending

Tom Rothman is gone. A new era is upon us.



"Mostly" being the keyword. The BIG retcon that First Class made was the Xavier and Magneto relationship. In X3, they were still friends and partners in the `70s. PLUS, Xavier can walk. Actually... as I think about it right this moment, that was a MAJOR continuity error because the whole Jean Grey/Pheonix backstory makes no sense now.

First Class pretty clearly went the Superman Returns route and decided to ignore X3 and Wolverine entirely and only keep continuity with the first two films. It doesn't contradict the first two movies at all but pretty blatantly contradicts the later two.

Originally Posted by Wyldstaar

The William Striker in 1962 is older than the one we see in 1979, and around the same age as the one we see in X2.

I'm pretty sure that the Stryker we saw in First Class was supposed to be the father of the one we saw in X2, not the same guy. Which makes sense since the guy we saw in First Class was old enough to have a 16-to-20-year old son in 1962, which would match up with the age of the Stryker we saw in X2.

Originally Posted by Neverending

I agree but the continuity errors are too big to ignore. Look at the Burton/Schumacher Batman films for example. They're very different from one another but thematically they never contradict each other.

Except for Harvey Dent changing from African-American to Caucasian.

[Dhamon22]

Originally Posted by Henri Ducard

Mark Millar (Wanted, Kick-Ass) has been hired by Fox to Shepard its Marvel films.

Interesting decision. He can't do worse than whoever was behind them before.

[Wyldstaar]

Originally Posted by bbf2

I'm pretty sure that the Stryker we saw in First Class was supposed to be the father of the one we saw in X2, not the same guy. Which makes sense since the guy we saw in First Class was old enough to have a 16-to-20-year old son in 1962, which would match up with the age of the Stryker we saw in X2.

During the first office scene Stryker appears in for First Class, Xavier specifically asks him about his son Jason.