Official 2011-2012 NBA Thread - Page 15

DarthVader 2004 · 06-27-2012, 01:46 PM

I am not that impressed with Dwight Howard. He last year was not too impressive to me.And all NBA players want a championship. I don't care where your playing. If don't want a Ring then why are you playing is my belief.

SnoBorderZero · 06-27-2012, 02:13 PM

What leads you to believe Howard doesn't want to win a championship?

Fresh Prince · 06-27-2012, 03:42 PM

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Originally Posted by SnoBorderZero

What leads you to believe Howard doesn't want to win a championship?

Maybe because he wants to leave Orlando to go to a team worst than the team that he is on in Brookyln. I mean Shaq left a good Olando team to go to the Lakers but they was also a playoff team at the time as Orlando was. Brookyln is not a playoff team at all.

SnoBorderZero · 06-27-2012, 04:12 PM

Highly debatable there, Howard wants to leave Orlando because his supporting cast is lackluster. In Brooklyn POTENTIALLY he could have Derron Williams and Gerald Wallace both of whom are vastly better than anyone in Orlando. I don't like the guy's attitude surrounding the trade, and I've always disliked players whining their way off teams, but I don't doubt his desire to win.

SnoBorderZero · 06-27-2012, 04:22 PM

And Rockets just made ANOTHER trade to secure the 12th pick in a trade with Milwaukee. They are pushing really hard.

DarthVader 2004 · 06-27-2012, 05:04 PM

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Originally Posted by SnoBorderZero

What leads you to believe Howard doesn't want to win a championship?

Someone else said previously that he isn't wanting a championship but a place where he is the star.

It was a joke at first but I think The Brooklyn Warlords or the Brooklyn Devils sound better then the Brooklyn Nets.

Fresh Prince · 06-27-2012, 05:48 PM

^ Stephan A. Smith said the samething on ESPN First Take multiple times. He wants to go play somewhere that he can be the star of the team. If he goes to Brookyln and Deron Williams stays, since D-Will came before Howard, it will be Williams team not Howard, so Howard will be second fiddle. Plus Howard sees himself as an entertainer so playing in NYC will get him alot of media hype which can get him acting gigs and stuff like that. Think the man does care more about being a celebrity/entertainer than winning a title.

Most likely Williams will leave and go to Dallas to play in his hometown. Kidd is old and Williams is younger and a better player. Plus Williams would have a better chance of winning in Dallas than Brookyln. No guarantee Howard is even coming to Brookyln so why would Williams stay? Plus even if Howard comes the Nets would be a playoff team but with only 3 good players how far would they go before they get put out?

Miami will be good for a few more years, Bulls can dominate for the next 10 years if they can get there **** right and you have Indiana coming up. 3 players alone cannot win a team a title, even the Heat had to play team ball to win a title despite having 3 superstars. Williams would have better role players in Dallas and a shot at going farther with the Mavs than Brookyln.

DarthVader 2004 · 06-27-2012, 09:39 PM

Skip Bayless of First Take thinks he will stay in Orlando because he thinks he likes being the big fish does howard in a small pond.
I have listen to Steven A Smith and I can stand Skip longer then Steven A. The biggest 2 faced Basketball and Football expert. He ripped Lebron and now he is kissing his feet.

Anyways I myself think Dwight will go to Houston because that place has been a big mans great legacy in the NBA.
Is anyone else gonna watch the NBA draft tomarrow.

FranklinTard · 06-28-2012, 12:19 AM

dwight was never going to houston. now i am just wondering what exactly they are gonna do.

gasol would not be worth it. ship lowry and get a top 10 pick if you really want to, and if he won't play with mchale, might as well get something for him.

pull an okc, build now. i really want waiters. dudes gonna be a stud on a bad team.

Diablo · 06-28-2012, 07:26 AM

Cleveland is rumored to wanting him at 4.

IDK how much I can trust all these reports though. They are all over the place.

FranklinTard · 06-28-2012, 11:20 AM

i feel like mkg is a sure thing for the wings, barnes and beal both are projects that will need more than a few years to become productive. mkg can guard and drive right now.

waiters going in the top 5 would be a stretch if you ask me, but stranger things have happened. gonna be a wild night, can't wait.

DarthVader 2004 · 06-28-2012, 11:30 AM

I would not be surpised if Brooklyn didn't get Howard they would try for Bynum from the Lakers. First Take says Beal could go to The Thunder in some trade.

SnoBorderZero · 06-28-2012, 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by FranklinTard

dwight was never going to houston. now i am just wondering what exactly they are gonna do.

gasol would not be worth it. ship lowry and get a top 10 pick if you really want to, and if he won't play with mchale, might as well get something for him.

pull an okc, build now. i really want waiters. dudes gonna be a stud on a bad team.

I agree on Gasol, and apparently the Rockets don't want him either. Nothing's set with Dwight yet, I'm excited for tonight though something big for the Rockets is going to happen... I hope.

Diablo · 06-28-2012, 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by FranklinTard

i feel like mkg is a sure thing for the wings, barnes and beal both are projects that will need more than a few years to become productive. mkg can guard and drive right now.

waiters going in the top 5 would be a stretch if you ask me, but stranger things have happened. gonna be a wild night, can't wait.

The thing about MKG that worries me is his shot. Right now our best guy who can shoot is Jordan Crawford and last season the man shot 40%. Between Ariza,Vesely,Singleton we already have a bunch of 3's who play defense but can't shoot. I do like MKG's ability to get to the basket and finish.

It's a tough call lol. I'd be happy with either Beal or MKG at this point.

DarthVader 2004 · 06-28-2012, 02:14 PM

What About Rivers kid where do you guys see him going. I Is Doc Rivers kid and plays for Duke. But have no idea where he would end up.

Fresh Prince · 06-28-2012, 03:19 PM

Why are the Lakers trying to get rid of Gasol? All they need is a few good role players and they are back to title contention. If I was them I keep Gasol, keep Bynum and try to bring in Deron Williams. You have a few good role players that are free agents like Jamal Crawford, Jr Smith and Jason Terry the Lakers can get aswell. They should try and bring back Lamar Odom and Derek Fisher to the team.

FranklinTard · 06-28-2012, 05:19 PM

rivers is a love him or hate him guy, i hate him, but some gm's love him and might take him in the top 15. i think that is an insane reach.

my sleepers in the second and late first would be green from msu, dude reminds me of kevin love with somehow worse defense. and stoglin from maryland is a great scoring guard and experienced.

hoping mkg falls to the rockets at 5 when they get the sacto pick here before the night is over. i'd take drummond though too, mchale is a big man coach. 30% from the free throw line is atrocious though. trying to miss at that point.

Tornado · 06-28-2012, 06:27 PM

Pretty excited for tonight!

Diablo · 06-28-2012, 07:11 PM

Bradley Beal! Woohoo

FranklinTard · 06-28-2012, 10:47 PM

well keeping the picks isn't terrible i guess... still need a point guard... but other than teague there was nobody worth taking.

really like the lamb pick up, and jones is a great role player that could develop into something special, not sure how much i like royce white though. good player but no idea what his position will be/is.

Tornado · 06-28-2012, 11:00 PM

I like Kendall Marshall and am glad we were able to snag him as he is a player I had my eye on. With Nash probably leaving and us having traded Dragic earlier (I still think he would have been a worthy successor to Nash based on his play in Phoenix), we were in desperate need of a point guard to step up and fill that role. Now with Marshall, Dudley, Markieff, and Gortat, we have a very young core that can grow and develop together.

Unfortunately, with those four players as our likely starters at their positions this coming season, we're also looking at being one of the worst teams in the league simply due to a lack of experience (if not the fact that none of them will be a consistent scoring option). We have got to make a splash in free agency. I have never really been much of a Ray Allen fan, but man I would kill to have him on the team this year just to give us some much-needed experience. Ideally though, I want us to throw everything we've got at Eric Gordon. I'd love to have him on the team next year.

DarthVader 2004 · 06-28-2012, 11:16 PM

I think the steal of the draft was The Thunders Pick. I think Perry was way better then Sullenger and He might be a better shooter then Ibaka. Any additions they make that give Durant space is a good thing. Ibaka does great D but he didn't do much in the finals. maybe they ditch Perkins and keep Perry and Ibaka.

SnoBorderZero · 06-28-2012, 11:19 PM

I loved how David Stern was just pelted with boos all night long. Awesome. For once New Jersey, I applaud you.

Tornado · 06-28-2012, 11:30 PM

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Originally Posted by RedVader 2004

I think the steal of the draft was The Thunders Pick. I think Perry was way better then Sullenger and He might be a better shooter then Ibaka. Any additions they make that give Durant space is a good thing. Ibaka does great D but he didn't do much in the finals. maybe they ditch Perkins and keep Perry and Ibaka.

I was surprised Perry fell quite so far, I was sure he was lottery bound.

Brock Landers · 06-28-2012, 11:43 PM

Well, I'm happy with the Blazers' picks. Lillard is a good guard, which we've needed forever, and we got Leonard at 11th -- again, we needed a center, and any pick we could've made is better than the last time we picked a center (here's looking at you, Oden).

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06-28-2012, 12:19 AM	#359
FranklinTard Damn,ThatsAColdAssHonkey Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 15,720	dwight was never going to houston. now i am just wondering what exactly they are gonna do. gasol would not be worth it. ship lowry and get a top 10 pick if you really want to, and if he won't play with mchale, might as well get something for him. pull an okc, build now. i really want waiters. dudes gonna be a stud on a bad team. __________________ Of all the preposterous assumptions of humanity over humanity, nothing exceeds most of the criticisms made on the habits of the poor by the well-housed, well- warmed, and well-fed. -Herman Melville (1819 - 1891)

06-28-2012, 07:26 AM	#360
Diablo RG3 Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: DMV Posts: 17,131	Cleveland is rumored to wanting him at 4. IDK how much I can trust all these reports though. They are all over the place. __________________ R.I.P Sean Taylor April 1, 1983 - November 27, 2007

06-28-2012, 11:20 AM	#361
FranklinTard Damn,ThatsAColdAssHonkey Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 15,720	i feel like mkg is a sure thing for the wings, barnes and beal both are projects that will need more than a few years to become productive. mkg can guard and drive right now. waiters going in the top 5 would be a stretch if you ask me, but stranger things have happened. gonna be a wild night, can't wait. __________________ Of all the preposterous assumptions of humanity over humanity, nothing exceeds most of the criticisms made on the habits of the poor by the well-housed, well- warmed, and well-fed. -Herman Melville (1819 - 1891)

06-28-2012, 05:19 PM	#367
FranklinTard Damn,ThatsAColdAssHonkey Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 15,720	rivers is a love him or hate him guy, i hate him, but some gm's love him and might take him in the top 15. i think that is an insane reach. my sleepers in the second and late first would be green from msu, dude reminds me of kevin love with somehow worse defense. and stoglin from maryland is a great scoring guard and experienced. hoping mkg falls to the rockets at 5 when they get the sacto pick here before the night is over. i'd take drummond though too, mchale is a big man coach. 30% from the free throw line is atrocious though. trying to miss at that point. __________________ Of all the preposterous assumptions of humanity over humanity, nothing exceeds most of the criticisms made on the habits of the poor by the well-housed, well- warmed, and well-fed. -Herman Melville (1819 - 1891)

06-27-2012, 01:46 PM	#351
DarthVader 2004 Executive Producer Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: West Virginia Posts: 13,547	I am not that impressed with Dwight Howard. He last year was not too impressive to me.And all NBA players want a championship. I don't care where your playing. If don't want a Ring then why are you playing is my belief.

06-27-2012, 02:13 PM	#352
SnoBorderZero There is no bathroom Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Kindergarten Terminator Posts: 8,080	What leads you to believe Howard doesn't want to win a championship?

06-27-2012, 04:12 PM	#354
SnoBorderZero There is no bathroom Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Kindergarten Terminator Posts: 8,080	Highly debatable there, Howard wants to leave Orlando because his supporting cast is lackluster. In Brooklyn POTENTIALLY he could have Derron Williams and Gerald Wallace both of whom are vastly better than anyone in Orlando. I don't like the guy's attitude surrounding the trade, and I've always disliked players whining their way off teams, but I don't doubt his desire to win.

06-27-2012, 04:22 PM	#355
SnoBorderZero There is no bathroom Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Kindergarten Terminator Posts: 8,080	And Rockets just made ANOTHER trade to secure the 12th pick in a trade with Milwaukee. They are pushing really hard.

06-27-2012, 05:48 PM	#357
Fresh Prince Executive Producer Join Date: Feb 2010 Posts: 1,776	^ Stephan A. Smith said the samething on ESPN First Take multiple times. He wants to go play somewhere that he can be the star of the team. If he goes to Brookyln and Deron Williams stays, since D-Will came before Howard, it will be Williams team not Howard, so Howard will be second fiddle. Plus Howard sees himself as an entertainer so playing in NYC will get him alot of media hype which can get him acting gigs and stuff like that. Think the man does care more about being a celebrity/entertainer than winning a title. Most likely Williams will leave and go to Dallas to play in his hometown. Kidd is old and Williams is younger and a better player. Plus Williams would have a better chance of winning in Dallas than Brookyln. No guarantee Howard is even coming to Brookyln so why would Williams stay? Plus even if Howard comes the Nets would be a playoff team but with only 3 good players how far would they go before they get put out? Miami will be good for a few more years, Bulls can dominate for the next 10 years if they can get there **** right and you have Indiana coming up. 3 players alone cannot win a team a title, even the Heat had to play team ball to win a title despite having 3 superstars. Williams would have better role players in Dallas and a shot at going farther with the Mavs than Brookyln.

06-27-2012, 09:39 PM	#358
DarthVader 2004 Executive Producer Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: West Virginia Posts: 13,547	Skip Bayless of First Take thinks he will stay in Orlando because he thinks he likes being the big fish does howard in a small pond. I have listen to Steven A Smith and I can stand Skip longer then Steven A. The biggest 2 faced Basketball and Football expert. He ripped Lebron and now he is kissing his feet. Anyways I myself think Dwight will go to Houston because that place has been a big mans great legacy in the NBA. Is anyone else gonna watch the NBA draft tomarrow.

06-28-2012, 11:30 AM	#362
DarthVader 2004 Executive Producer Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: West Virginia Posts: 13,547	I would not be surpised if Brooklyn didn't get Howard they would try for Bynum from the Lakers. First Take says Beal could go to The Thunder in some trade.

06-28-2012, 02:14 PM	#365
DarthVader 2004 Executive Producer Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: West Virginia Posts: 13,547	What About Rivers kid where do you guys see him going. I Is Doc Rivers kid and plays for Duke. But have no idea where he would end up.

06-28-2012, 03:19 PM	#366
Fresh Prince Executive Producer Join Date: Feb 2010 Posts: 1,776	Why are the Lakers trying to get rid of Gasol? All they need is a few good role players and they are back to title contention. If I was them I keep Gasol, keep Bynum and try to bring in Deron Williams. You have a few good role players that are free agents like Jamal Crawford, Jr Smith and Jason Terry the Lakers can get aswell. They should try and bring back Lamar Odom and Derek Fisher to the team.

06-28-2012, 06:27 PM	#368
Tornado I am busy. Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Wisconsin Posts: 32,383	Pretty excited for tonight! __________________ MY BLU-RAY COLLECTION

06-28-2012, 07:11 PM	#369
Diablo RG3 Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: DMV Posts: 17,131	Bradley Beal! Woohoo __________________ R.I.P Sean Taylor April 1, 1983 - November 27, 2007

06-28-2012, 10:47 PM	#370
FranklinTard Damn,ThatsAColdAssHonkey Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 15,720	well keeping the picks isn't terrible i guess... still need a point guard... but other than teague there was nobody worth taking. really like the lamb pick up, and jones is a great role player that could develop into something special, not sure how much i like royce white though. good player but no idea what his position will be/is. __________________ Of all the preposterous assumptions of humanity over humanity, nothing exceeds most of the criticisms made on the habits of the poor by the well-housed, well- warmed, and well-fed. -Herman Melville (1819 - 1891)

06-28-2012, 11:00 PM	#371
Tornado I am busy. Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Wisconsin Posts: 32,383	I like Kendall Marshall and am glad we were able to snag him as he is a player I had my eye on. With Nash probably leaving and us having traded Dragic earlier (I still think he would have been a worthy successor to Nash based on his play in Phoenix), we were in desperate need of a point guard to step up and fill that role. Now with Marshall, Dudley, Markieff, and Gortat, we have a very young core that can grow and develop together. Unfortunately, with those four players as our likely starters at their positions this coming season, we're also looking at being one of the worst teams in the league simply due to a lack of experience (if not the fact that none of them will be a consistent scoring option). We have got to make a splash in free agency. I have never really been much of a Ray Allen fan, but man I would kill to have him on the team this year just to give us some much-needed experience. Ideally though, I want us to throw everything we've got at Eric Gordon. I'd love to have him on the team next year. __________________ MY BLU-RAY COLLECTION

06-28-2012, 11:16 PM	#372
DarthVader 2004 Executive Producer Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: West Virginia Posts: 13,547	I think the steal of the draft was The Thunders Pick. I think Perry was way better then Sullenger and He might be a better shooter then Ibaka. Any additions they make that give Durant space is a good thing. Ibaka does great D but he didn't do much in the finals. maybe they ditch Perkins and keep Perry and Ibaka.

06-28-2012, 11:19 PM	#373
SnoBorderZero There is no bathroom Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Kindergarten Terminator Posts: 8,080	I loved how David Stern was just pelted with boos all night long. Awesome. For once New Jersey, I applaud you.

06-28-2012, 11:43 PM	#375
Brock Landers Ninja + Poet Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Oregon Posts: 27,013	Well, I'm happy with the Blazers' picks. Lillard is a good guard, which we've needed forever, and we got Leonard at 11th -- again, we needed a center, and any pick we could've made is better than the last time we picked a center (here's looking at you, Oden). __________________ YOU'VE GOT THE TOUCH. YOU'VE GOT THE POWER. This will explain everything.