The Hobbit: why is it a two-parter? - Page 3

Deexan · 12-23-2010, 09:19 AM

Yeah having the dead men go up each level of Minas Tirith was a bit much, as was the cheesy green way in which they were animated... That whole segment was terrible I thought, and one of the many reasons that the third movie is my least favourite. These spirits were meant to be terrifying, silent and dark shadows, not leftovers from The Frighteners.

IanTheCool · 12-23-2010, 09:27 AM

Yes, they were only meant to help Aragorn and his men capture the boats by striking fear into the opponents. They aren't invincible warriors. If you paint them as such then the audience looks at sauron's army as being weak and wondering why they don't just send all these ghosts to mordor. problem solved.

As for the elves Vader, I understand that they have some unique abilities, but they are not superheroes. They can't send a whole army from lothlorien to helps deep without being noticed. Not an army.
And I just don't buy Elrond traveling that whole way in that short amount of time. Not when we've just established for the last two movies how difficult it was for our characters to get there. You are completely negating their difficulties as well as the size and grandeur of middle earth by doing so.

DangerMouse · 12-23-2010, 10:33 AM

Well, I'm sure the Fellowship would've arrived sooner had they gone in a straight line instead of being sidetracked as much as they were.

Also, as far as "Superheros" keep in mind that Legolas was able to walk on top of snow while the rest of the Fellowship had to walk through it, so there is a certain "aura" of "Superhero" in Elves.

IanTheCool · 12-23-2010, 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by DangerMouse

Well, I'm sure the Fellowship would've arrived sooner had they gone in a straight line instead of being sidetracked as much as they were.

Also, as far as "Superheros" keep in mind that Legolas was able to walk on top of snow while the rest of the Fellowship had to walk through it, so there is a certain "aura" of "Superhero" in Elves.

Yes, I know they have certain abilities. But the movie played on this a little too much I think. That's my only problem.
For example, they are not telepathic.

DarthVader 2004 · 12-23-2010, 11:23 AM

Have you read the book. For its how Tolkien discribed the elves and thats how they are in the movies. I think Pirates Of The Caribbean effected that whole undead army stuff if they made them look to real. Disney would scream they stole the look from Pirates. Though it was written in a book first many years ago.

IanTheCool · 12-23-2010, 11:53 AM

No, I've never read the book. I'm making these insights despite not being familiar with the source material. My bad.

ViRUs · 12-23-2010, 08:03 PM

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Originally Posted by RedVader 2004

Have you read the book. For its how Tolkien discribed the elves and thats how they are in the movies. I think Pirates Of The Caribbean effected that whole undead army stuff if they made them look to real. Disney would scream they stole the look from Pirates. Though it was written in a book first many years ago.

And your right, Disney is the only company that can make a legitimate looking undead army, I forgot they had the legal rights to that.

Deexan · 12-23-2010, 09:13 PM

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Originally Posted by RedVader 2004

Have you read the book. For its how Tolkien discribed the elves and thats how they are in the movies. I think Pirates Of The Caribbean effected that whole undead army stuff if they made them look to real. Disney would scream they stole the look from Pirates. Though it was written in a book first many years ago.

They shouldn't look "real", they should have appeared as shadows/darkness. It could've been creepy & moving if done right but they took the tacky route. Maybe they didn't want it to be too scary...that didn't stop them showing decapitated heads landing in the streets of Minas Tirith though.

This talk has also reminded me of how the sons of Elrond and Halbarad/The Grey Company were completely left out yet Haldir gets to waltz in from a few hundred miles away and have this ridiculous slo-mo death scene, despite the fact that he'd had around 3 minutes screen-time previously so no-one really cared...

FVD · 12-27-2010, 08:36 PM

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Originally Posted by IanTheCool

Yeah, as a huge Tolkien fanatic, creating an entirely new story to make a movie of is a bad idea. But if they split it, where would the split be?They only thing i can think is the fight with the giant spiders i guess...

I have a feeling the split might happen when they escape the Wood Elves in those barrels down the river en-route to Laketown (Esgaroth).

As for this Bridging movie, I thought that idea was canned a long time ago! There's enough story out of the Silmarillion's Third Age chapter that can fill the gaps for the two films. With that I'm glad as Gandalf's disappearance would never have been explained (as was never even told in The Hobbit either).

DarthVader 2004 · 12-27-2010, 09:20 PM

Its a simple line used in the cartoon you could use without explanation. Bombour says in the Animated movie he comes and goes at will. He is a wizard you know. Bombour says it after Bilbo asks how he got ahead. So why not have this in the book. I think they can do 2 films without adding stuff. Just make things longer cause at times The Hobbit moves to quickly.
I have read The Hobbit and LOTR just not since 2003. So don't recall all things. In case somebody assumed i never read them.

IanTheCool · 12-31-2010, 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by FVD

I have a feeling the split might happen when they escape the Wood Elves in those barrels down the river en-route to Laketown (Esgaroth).

Yeah, that seems to be the most logical point.

EdReedFan20 · 02-08-2011, 02:07 PM

I hope when both halves are released on DVD/Blu-Ray/Digital Download that they are edited together as one movie. I wish they'd do the same with TLOTR. Imagine a 12 hour movie. Of course the endings and beginnings of the movies may need to be reworked/and or have additional scenes to flow better into each other, but I think a singular edit of both The Hobbit and The Lord of the Rings would be really cool.

OBSERVER · 02-08-2011, 02:38 PM

Peter Jackson will tell you why this is a 2 part movie.
Even though this video is from the summer of 2009, still very relevant.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CsNPBBoga3w

PsYkOoOoO · 02-08-2011, 09:45 PM

It's a two-parter because of money.

PsYkOoOoO · 02-08-2011, 09:49 PM

I know it's probably healthier for Peter and all, but whatever happened to this guy?

12-23-2010, 09:19 AM	#51
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12-23-2010, 10:33 AM	#53
DangerMouse Your favorite band stinks Join Date: May 2003 Location: A police box Posts: 1,768	Well, I'm sure the Fellowship would've arrived sooner had they gone in a straight line instead of being sidetracked as much as they were. Also, as far as "Superheros" keep in mind that Legolas was able to walk on top of snow while the rest of the Fellowship had to walk through it, so there is a certain "aura" of "Superhero" in Elves. __________________ "You've just sent your kid to a sleep over with one of the 3 weirdest people on the planet. What did you think would happen?"-Dennis Miller regarding Michael Jackson *The Replacements-The best dmn band you've never heard of.** I don't mean to sound bitter, cold, or cruel, but I am, so that's how it comes out. -- Bill Hicks

02-08-2011, 09:45 PM	#64
PsYkOoOoO Exceptionally Normal Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Singapore. Posts: 22,419	It's a two-parter because of money. __________________ W.

02-08-2011, 09:49 PM	#65
PsYkOoOoO Exceptionally Normal Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Singapore. Posts: 22,419	I know it's probably healthier for Peter and all, but whatever happened to this guy? __________________ W.

12-23-2010, 09:27 AM	#52
IanTheCool Executive Lego Producer Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Canada Posts: 13,401	Yes, they were only meant to help Aragorn and his men capture the boats by striking fear into the opponents. They aren't invincible warriors. If you paint them as such then the audience looks at sauron's army as being weak and wondering why they don't just send all these ghosts to mordor. problem solved. As for the elves Vader, I understand that they have some unique abilities, but they are not superheroes. They can't send a whole army from lothlorien to helps deep without being noticed. Not an army. And I just don't buy Elrond traveling that whole way in that short amount of time. Not when we've just established for the last two movies how difficult it was for our characters to get there. You are completely negating their difficulties as well as the size and grandeur of middle earth by doing so.

12-23-2010, 11:23 AM	#55
DarthVader 2004 Executive Producer Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: West Virginia Posts: 13,561	Have you read the book. For its how Tolkien discribed the elves and thats how they are in the movies. I think Pirates Of The Caribbean effected that whole undead army stuff if they made them look to real. Disney would scream they stole the look from Pirates. Though it was written in a book first many years ago.

12-23-2010, 11:53 AM	#56
IanTheCool Executive Lego Producer Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Canada Posts: 13,401	No, I've never read the book. I'm making these insights despite not being familiar with the source material. My bad.

12-27-2010, 09:20 PM	#60
DarthVader 2004 Executive Producer Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: West Virginia Posts: 13,561	Its a simple line used in the cartoon you could use without explanation. Bombour says in the Animated movie he comes and goes at will. He is a wizard you know. Bombour says it after Bilbo asks how he got ahead. So why not have this in the book. I think they can do 2 films without adding stuff. Just make things longer cause at times The Hobbit moves to quickly. I have read The Hobbit and LOTR just not since 2003. So don't recall all things. In case somebody assumed i never read them.

02-08-2011, 02:07 PM	#62
EdReedFan20 Boom Operator Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 72	I hope when both halves are released on DVD/Blu-Ray/Digital Download that they are edited together as one movie. I wish they'd do the same with TLOTR. Imagine a 12 hour movie. Of course the endings and beginnings of the movies may need to be reworked/and or have additional scenes to flow better into each other, but I think a singular edit of both The Hobbit and The Lord of the Rings would be really cool.

02-08-2011, 02:38 PM	#63
OBSERVER Executive Producer Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Texas Posts: 803	Peter Jackson will tell you why this is a 2 part movie. Even though this video is from the summer of 2009, still very relevant. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CsNPBBoga3w