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Cleric Preston

12-08-2002, 12:15 AM

Equilibrium > Matrix

I just made this account because this movie is so good and its worth actually saying so.

Ok I like the matrix story a LITTLE better but the action in this movie WILL be better than reloaded or revolutions(THE ACTION)

EDIT: Ok when i say action i really mean melee combat on the ground (like the reloaded car fight and stuff, I mean thats just cool and different so we'll see.) But the matrix doesn't have gun-kata, and if they did, well they wouldn't be the first.

But for 15 million $$$ this movie is just too good.

Its sad to think that I will never see a better action movie than this, involving guns and melee combat.

It's like my dreams have becore real.

~SPOILERS BELOW~

I mean, contorting your body and using moves that have been tested for you to be at the least statistically exposed position during particular stages of battle? I mean com'on it doesn't get any better than that. I thought I thought of everything!

Prove me wrong

true fan11212

12-08-2002, 09:12 AM

Although Equilibrium was good(and the action sequences were pretty good).But,i.m.o,it is NOT as good,or better,than The Matrix(and the action sequence will NOT be better than the ones in Reloaded and/or Revolutions).

For one,The Matrix had a stronger screenplay.(Equilibrium had a good screenplay,but it could have been stronger)...And not at the fault of the filmmakers,but the production value for Equilibrium was weak(You can only do so much with a small budget though).

Acting Wise...Equilibruim has its low points,but so does The Matrix,but they are few.While Christian Bale,Sean Bean,and Taye Diggs were good in there roles,the entire cast overall was weak.However,the Matrix had a stronger casting throughout.

kingdaywalker

12-08-2002, 01:49 PM

I think that this movie is just as good as the Matrix if not better. I came away from Equilibrium more satisfied. As Matrix 2 and 3, I have alot of faith in The directors, so we will have to wait and see.

Cleric Preston

12-08-2002, 04:29 PM

Oh I have the matrix faith also, and will enjoy them even more than Equilibruim as a movie as a whole, because production value and the all around films will have a better aesthetic feeling and better lenses and all that stuff (more money).

I just appriciate the action in Equilibrium. The actual fight scenes(physical movements, attacks) are better im saying.

But the matrix is just has a awesome quality to it, so what can you do?

Also theres more "Drama" in the Matrix, like the fights are more important. Just by Neo's situations and stuff like that.

Happy to watch both of them =)

kingdaywalker

12-08-2002, 09:12 PM

Your right Cleric Preston, the fight scenes are definitely better in Equilibrium. I said I have faith in The Matrix directors, but the more I think about, they will have a very difficult time making a movie as good as Equilibrium.

illest urban

12-08-2002, 10:10 PM

I too REALLY REALLY enjoyed Equilibrium. I'm glad that I went to see this movie after seeing the awesome trailer and reading good reviews about it. I am now really really mad, however, at Dimension Films. This movie deserved much better attention than they cared to give it. I mean to quote Cominsoon!:

Dimension Films' Equilibrium also opened in only 301 locations and averaged a poor $1,754 per site to earn just $528,000 for its first weekend.

WTF!? C'mon! I am PISSED! Well, the theater that I saw it in was packed at least... And this movie was HELLA good!

I loved the 1984, Fahrenheit 451, and other tie-ins. And yes, I saw some similarities to The Matrix, but really guys, The Matrix was an evolutionary movie and EVERY single action movies these days seem to keep being compared to it. I mean, how many tv spots have you seen where the announcer said something to the effect: "The best action scenes since The Matrix!" And yes, there is one scene in particular at the end where it is VERY similar to the matrix, but hey I look past that to say this movie is TOP NOTCH.

But back to Dimension...
These people need a good kicking in the ass in my opinion. This movie is freaking good and it was never given a chance. I never saw a trailer in theaters and I've seen a tv spot for it maybe TWO times. Such a shame for such a good movie.

I even went out and rented American Psycho tonight b/c I want to see more of Christian Bale's work, who by the way, I now think should be the next Superman in Ratner's film...

kingdaywalker

12-08-2002, 10:25 PM

I agree illest urban, but Bale should be Batman in Year One, not Superman. he has the cold stare of Batman

illest urban

12-08-2002, 10:49 PM

Originally posted by kingdaywalker
I agree illest urban, but Bale should be Batman in Year One, not Superman. he has the cold stare of Batman

DANG IT; everyone is saying that! :( Man that stinks. I dunno, I just think he can pull Superman off; I'd rather see him as Superman lets put it at that. But yeah everyone wants him as Batman for the most part but I mean also the reason I say Superman is b/c that franchise is hitting the fast track, where is the Batman franchise is going NOWHERE fast it seems. I dunno; I'd be happy with him in either role.

kingdaywalker

12-08-2002, 10:54 PM

I definitely think he could do Superman, and i wouldnt be mad if he was cast, but i like Batman better, and he can pull off the dark serious look better than anyone ive ever seen.

illest urban

12-09-2002, 12:07 AM

Originally posted by kingdaywalker
I definitely think he could do Superman, and i wouldnt be mad if he was cast, but i like Batman better, and he can pull off the dark serious look better than anyone ive ever seen.

true, true :)

Halofan1

12-09-2002, 01:24 AM

Please tell me this movie is better than the book it rips-off(no offense to fans of the movie and Farenhiet 451, I just wasn't too fond of the book).

turk128

12-09-2002, 01:35 AM

Equilibrium is just awesome. People who compare it to Matrix are either overlooking John Woo or haven't seen his classics. Gun-kata just takes the John Woo style of gunfighting to a whole 'nother level. I had more fun watching it than Matrix (a movie I greatly enjoyed). Now I'm kind antsy about the Matrix sequels, will I enjoy it more than Equilibrium?

Also, totally agree on casting Bale as Batman. He is very good at dark serious looks (imagining any of the previous actors who played Batman trying to pull off a serious look without the costume gives me the giggles). I wouldn't mind him playing Superman either, he's definitely ripped enough but not sure if he can play a goody two shoes as good as a moody character.

Cleric Preston

12-09-2002, 02:11 AM

Me neither Halo, the book was boring. You put gun-kata in "My Big Fat Greek Wedding" executed properly and it will make it awesome!

Instinct

12-09-2002, 12:02 PM

Bale would make a better Batman than a Superman... by a long shot.

SPOILER: Not really a spoiler, but, whatever...

The scene where Bale is confronted by those guards after he attempts to release that dog. And he reverses those two shotguns and takes like ten guys out...:applaud: that was the first scene that showed him in the middle of a crowd tearin ***** up in Gun Kata mode... I swear i was clapping and jumpin out of my seat that was such a BAD ASS battle sequence...

kingdaywalker

12-09-2002, 03:04 PM

Spoilers Ahead

Instinct, I couldnt agree more. That is probably my favorite scene in the history of movies. When he reverses the shotguns, then the guy says "what?" than it cuts this

http://www.chud.com/graphics6/eq/eqmoneyshot.jpg

And then you go, this is the greatest moment in my life

admiral12s

12-09-2002, 10:54 PM

i just went and saw the movie. I thought that the fight scenes where just as good as the matrix. mainly because in the matrix they're fighting in virtual reality, whereas in equilibrium there not. also i thought that the theme of the movie was good. about when the feelings are taken away the person is no longer human.

Halofan1

12-09-2002, 11:00 PM

Originally posted by Cleric Preston
Me neither Halo, the book was boring. You put gun-kata in "My Big Fat Greek Wedding" executed properly and it will make it awesome!

Hmm, that might be an idea...

But yeah, that book was very boring. It had some interesting reflects on our society today, but it was just plain stupid. Even though Equilibrium is the same idea, they have better way of using it that "books bad".

kingdaywalker

12-09-2002, 11:15 PM

Farenheit 451 is a little slow for my tastes. I remeber having to read it and watch the movie in tenth grade, now students can just watch Equilibrium. It teaches the same lesson, just in a much more entertaining way.

Halofan1

12-09-2002, 11:24 PM

Originally posted by kingdaywalker
Farenheit 451 is a little slow for my tastes. I remeber having to read it and watch the movie in tenth grade, now students can just watch Equilibrium. It teaches the same lesson, just in a much more entertaining way.

Hells yes.

Darrin1

12-10-2002, 07:27 PM

I think Equilibrium was a pretty good awesome Matrix Noir movie. I think no other actor would have perfect other than Christian Bale. I kinda wished that the story would have been daring or uya know push the envelope a bit! The gun sequences blew me away! It was like when I first saw Matrix for the very first time....

SPOILERS

- I thought Bale's son was going to turn him in when he was not taking his daily prozium (I believe) shots...

- I was hoping Diggs would be an ally for Bale, I was wrong...

- And I almost rolled out of my seat when Bale sliced & diced Diggs

- Too bad Bale could not save Watson in time...

- And is it me or did the director purposely had Watson looking a lot like his own wife?

ambrosia

12-15-2002, 04:44 AM

Disregard this post.

captain cocanut

01-03-2003, 05:33 PM

Something is very wrong with the world when a cool movie like this can't get a wide release, but utter crap like Jason X and Two Week Notice do.

moviefreak76

01-03-2003, 06:07 PM

Originally posted by captain cocanut
Something is very wrong with the world when a cool movie like this can't get a wide release, but utter crap like Jason X and Two Week Notice do.

I agree... I live in Montreal and usually, we get almost all the releases but this one didn't made it !!! :(

I'm gonna have to wait till the DVD comes out.
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phatgaza

01-26-2003, 11:50 PM

speaking of DVDs, anyone know the release date for it?

DragoTPE

01-30-2003, 01:07 PM

Check this site for news and updates, seems to be the best one i've found

If your curious about this movie, you should check the votes at www.imdb.com You may note the amount of votes here and the average.

Also if you have opinions/want to vote there, go ahead(the movie will get noticed more whether it's good or bad feedback)

Myself? My wife and I loved this movie. There was a few items in this movie that lend credence enough to compare it to other movies.

Matrix is more like a sci-fi.
Equilibrium is more of a action drama

Comments on equilibrium- It's a statement of things that might come in the future, or might have happened instead. One big thing to note: if your wondering why there wasn't fancy guns/cars etc, creativity kinda dies out in a society that is conformed.

Ah well there is my comment here ;)

Blueman

02-04-2003, 07:47 PM

is it ever gonna be in theaters in stl? cuse i have never heard of it and how come a movie like this isnt realsed nationally! and around all theaters

kingdaywalker

02-05-2003, 01:16 AM

Originally posted by Blueman
is it ever gonna be in theaters in stl? cuse i have never heard of it and how come a movie like this isnt realsed nationally! and around all theaters

it was released in about 300 theatres throughout the nation, as far as i know they wont be releasing it in the u.s. again, but it is due out on dvd in may

KayTang999

08-03-2003, 09:00 PM

I think they should re-release this in theater!!! I was so mad that I missed it in theater!!!

freakyplatypus

08-03-2003, 09:47 PM

It wasn't in any theatres near me.

Jack

08-03-2003, 11:04 PM

Let's stop ****ting ourselves. This is a mediocore science fiction (action drama!?!?! WTF!?) flick that doesn't have an ounce or originality in it. The action scenes were too far inbetween the bad acting, bad story, and hideous melodrama. And the action scenes? I liked the reverse shotguns, that was badass, but this movie does not live up to the hype everyone is throwing at it. I know you all feel special for discovering crappy budget films, but seriously, it's a ****ing rip off...sorry.

daveanator

08-03-2003, 11:14 PM

jack shut the F@ck up go hide in your hole this movie was awesome i hate people like u who have to bash good movies yoru probably some matrix fan boy loser!!

KayTang999

08-03-2003, 11:46 PM

I don't care I love this movie.

Anyway, I was checking Greg's preview that it said that this was suppose to be a wide release in March of 2002 but of course Dimension has to be a ....... (fill in as you please) and make it limited release in December of 2002. I guess they were trying to play with Oscar buzz. I guess they could have got some on special effect department. Oh well.

Knerys

08-04-2003, 12:47 AM

I disagree Jack. I thought the acting wa fine, I thought hte stroy was interesting. The action sequence were alittle over the top at first but it is science fiction. And I'm not ****ting myself thank you. I dont try to convince myself a movie is good when it is not. I just take it for what it is a leave it at that.

KayTang999

08-04-2003, 03:48 PM

I agree with you Knerys. At first the action was a bit unnatural but as the time go by you kind of realize this is not a typical movie so it is understandable. The acting was better than some of the movie I have seen lately.

Fanible

08-04-2003, 04:32 PM

I think Bale would be good as Dante in the Devil May Cry movie coming up.

KayTang999

08-04-2003, 05:26 PM

But seriously, has he ever suck??? Not that I know of!!!

bbyybb

08-05-2003, 07:50 PM

I could think of no one else to play the part that Bale did. He makes a person feel for him even when he wasn't feeling. You could relate to him as he was first getting the tinglings of emotion.

Cheers,
bbyybb.

cg124

08-05-2003, 11:14 PM

Originally posted by Fanible
I think Bale would be good as Dante in the Devil May Cry movie coming up.

Great idea!

Fanible

08-06-2003, 01:13 AM

Give him white hair and that sweet red leather outfit and trenchcoat. Add the two guns that we already know he can handle well and look good doing it, and you have a perfect Dante. Too bad Hollywood probably won't be smart enough to get someone like him.

Bondar

08-06-2003, 05:02 PM

WOW, I whent out and bought this DVD and totaly worth it, better then matrix, its really good The plot, setting. it actually made more sence then the matrix, ohhh and that BAD ASS Reverse gunshot THAT WAS COOL.

Jack

08-06-2003, 05:52 PM

Originally posted by daveanator
jack shut the F@ck up go hide in your hole this movie was awesome i hate people like u who have to bash good movies yoru probably some matrix fan boy loser!!

I find it pretty damn funny that you capatilize the F-word (and spell it with the @ symbol nonetheless), but not "i"....but I'm sure it made you feel better about yourself, and that's all that matters right?

No, I'm not a Matrix fan boy loser, but denying it won't do a damn thing on this message board anyways so what the hell. I'm sorry if my post rubbed you the wrong way, I admit, it was pretty condesending. However I still believe that this movie is over-rated. I didn't bash it ethier, I enjoyed the mindless action, I just had a problem when Bale starts to get all emotional on us and make us believe he has some feeling in his tin cold heart. It was stupid, pointless, and has been done too many times before for me to give a ****. The story was uninspired and was just a vehicle for the action, which wasn't THAT great, had it's moments, but there wasn't enough of it. The movie is still a ****ing rip-off.

KayTang999

08-06-2003, 07:45 PM

Over-rated??? If this movie is over-rated then I don't know what to call Harry Potter now.

spiderman_2k

08-06-2003, 07:59 PM

Isnt this one of the most under-rated film in recent history??
(Recent being the last year or so)

daveanator

08-06-2003, 08:16 PM

ya and it was a really good movie if u havent seen it go and rent it or even buy it thats how good it is!!!

spiderman_2k

08-06-2003, 08:19 PM

Yeah it was just recently (Monday) released on DVD here...I rented it the first day and found it to be great..:D

Hitman

08-06-2003, 08:32 PM

Equilibrium is one of the few DVD's I have that hasn't collected any dust whatsoever. Great movie.

Jack

08-07-2003, 02:46 PM

OK, among the Cominsoon.net community, and after all the buzz it got from reviewers around the time it came out, yes, this movie is over-rated, in my opinion of course, maybe all the hype killed it for me....

Fanible

08-08-2003, 06:22 AM

Man I hardly think a message board full of regulars saying they thought it rocked makes it over rated.

Show it as the number one movie in America, had a large sum of advertising prior to it's release, reviewers and screen testers and the producers and writers of the movie saying "IT's FANTASTIC! BETTER THAN THE MATRIX, YOU'LL LOVE IT!!" (and no the sum reviews that were good that it got wern't enough)

THEN and then only would it be considered over rated. The fact that people have only gotten to view it AFTER it came out on DVD, and a lot of people who didn't even know it existed till then, no, it's no where near being over rated. It's incredibly under rated, and is quite unheard of by many people.

I havn't heard ANYONE around here talk about it, and I've had to tell my friends to see it. They're like "Equi-what?". That's over rated? When a very large sum of people havn't even heard of the film, no it's not over rated. Matrix Reloaded was over-rated. This film is far from it.

It's so silly to say because we've been raving about it on this message board that it is. Thats one of the dumbest things ive ever heard. All we're doing is making people aware of it.

If the ComingSoon.net forum regulars were the majority of all the people in America, then yes, I'd say it's over rated..... but still, it's not THAT over rated when we've raved about it only AFTER it went out of the theatres and came to DVD.

Kitty

08-08-2003, 01:52 PM

Originally posted by Jack
I find it pretty damn funny that you capatilize the F-word (and spell it with the @ symbol nonetheless), but not "i"....but I'm sure it made you feel better about yourself, and that's all that matters right?

No, I'm not a Matrix fan boy loser, but denying it won't do a damn thing on this message board anyways so what the hell. I'm sorry if my post rubbed you the wrong way, I admit, it was pretty condesending. However I still believe that this movie is over-rated. I didn't bash it ethier, I enjoyed the mindless action, I just had a problem when Bale starts to get all emotional on us and make us believe he has some feeling in his tin cold heart. It was stupid, pointless, and has been done too many times before for me to give a ****. The story was uninspired and was just a vehicle for the action, which wasn't THAT great, had it's moments, but there wasn't enough of it. The movie is still a ****ing rip-off.
i don't understand how the hell the movie was a "****ing rip-off". you didn't really bother paying attention to the movie i see. the action isn't mindless. if you want true mindless action, see matrix reloaded. the story wasn't stupid or anything, you didn't understand it by the way they told the story with the colors and the characters damnit. i mean, for example, take the flashback scene when preston remembers about what happened to his wife. remember how throughout the beginning of it they only used colors like grey and a blue-ish color, and then when they show his wife she's all colorful, showing that she still has emotion. then at the end when she kisses him and is dragged away from the police everything else is still grey and all except for preston and his wife, because he just barely realized that his wife is being taken away and that he couldn't do anything about it. there's so many other parts in this movie that are like that. they use the colors and symbolism in the film a lot and they did a damn good job using them. if you didn't really notice that or understand the story plot, then you didn't really bother paying attention to the movie.
i just had to say that =^.^=

Marvin

08-09-2003, 07:50 PM

After watching this movie, it's undenible. Bale has to be in Nolan/Goyers' Batman.

Just...he has to be.

Every scene in this movie, I was just staring at my pal and noding my head.

He has to be.

Fanible

08-09-2003, 08:28 PM

And Devily May Cry's Dante =P

Marvin

08-09-2003, 09:12 PM

maybe.

spiderman_2k

08-09-2003, 09:15 PM

Not maybe...hell yeah...I never really thought of it...Unslick the hair mess it up a little..make it white...he could pull off the dark brooding of Dante...and then suddenly be all bad-ass one liner when hes blasting off against demons with Ebony and Ivory....
That would be great..IMHO

Halofan1

08-09-2003, 11:23 PM

One of my friends dislikes this movie because the Taye doesn't put up a fight at the end and because it's "unrealistic" to shoot behind the head.

necronon99

08-10-2003, 12:42 AM

sorry so late guys
i dug this film alot as well, it had class
and yes a couple of those shoot outs were jaw dropping

8 out of ten

i still feel the matrix owns it-and yes they are two different films

Jack

08-10-2003, 09:00 PM

Originally posted by Kitty
i don't understand how the hell the movie was a "****ing rip-off". you didn't really bother paying attention to the movie i see. the action isn't mindless. if you want true mindless action, see matrix reloaded. the story wasn't stupid or anything, you didn't understand it by the way they told the story with the colors and the characters damnit. i mean, for example, take the flashback scene when preston remembers about what happened to his wife. remember how throughout the beginning of it they only used colors like grey and a blue-ish color, and then when they show his wife she's all colorful, showing that she still has emotion. then at the end when she kisses him and is dragged away from the police everything else is still grey and all except for preston and his wife, because he just barely realized that his wife is being taken away and that he couldn't do anything about it. there's so many other parts in this movie that are like that. they use the colors and symbolism in the film a lot and they did a damn good job using them. if you didn't really notice that or understand the story plot, then you didn't really bother paying attention to the movie.
i just had to say that =^.^=

Wow. Just wow.

Yes the blatant symbolism and ****ty direction went straight over my head. Yeah, I guess your right, I had NO IDEA that colors represented emotion in their society, they only rubbed it in our face every chance they got. Yes I think the story was just too much for my poor little one-note mind. I guess I can't handle Fahrenheit 451 rip offs, oh excuse me, I mean "tributes". I'm just too damn stupid to understand smart action dramas, the wonderful acting of Christan Bale, or puppy extermination. ****, and I was worried about being too condescending. I'll go watch the Matrix Reloaded, and not worry my petty little mind over it.

On to the next person who is *****ing at me...

SO, Fanible "All we're doing is making people aware of it." Really now?
"Its sad to think that I will never see a better action movie than this, involving guns and melee combat."
"That is probably my favorite scene in the history of movies."
"Equilibrium is just awesome."
"I too REALLY REALLY enjoyed Equilibrium"
"I don't care I love this movie."
"It easily going on my list of the best movies of 2002.
A triple A cast ahead of their game and breathtaking fight sequences..."

The cover of the thing DOES say "FORGET THE MATRIX"...It got great reviews...everyone seems to love that damn thing who has seen it...I rent it out at least every night I work at the video store, with customers recommending it to me because it's just so good. There were internet banners everywhere I went, and the film did get an exceptional amount of buzz. So let me make this crystal clear, since our views on "over-rated" differ. 1. I see, hear, and view hype. 2. I watch film because of hype. 3. I dislike it. 4 I consider it is over-rated by the mass that lead me to believe it was a quality flick. Is that good enough for you or does a certain amount of money need to be involved in the advertising for the film to consider it over-rated? Your rationale is complete bull****. I understand your point, not EVERYONE knows about the film, my point is, not everyone SHOULD know about the film, and it doesn't deserve the cult following it's been slowly gaining.

I didn't like the movie, everyone else seems to, ok? I'm not sorry. You can moan and ***** and throw quotes and statistics and point out the good acting and symbolism and art direction at me all you want, but I don't like the movie. I guess I'm just a horrible human being and should only stick to movies my fragile little mind can handle.

necronon99

08-10-2003, 09:29 PM

dont hate yourself jack

hate the game

Kitty

08-10-2003, 09:59 PM

just your opinion. we all have different ones. meh --_--

Marvin Nash

08-11-2003, 07:55 AM

I didn't forget the Matrix by any means. But I rented this yesterday expecting it to be laughable and I was surprised at how well done it was. And Agent 006 being in it put it over the top into my favorites category. Lol.

Slipknot

08-11-2003, 08:46 AM

Marvin ur a jackass

Slipknot

08-11-2003, 09:08 AM

Enough Marvin

Marvin Nash

08-11-2003, 09:13 AM

Originally posted by Slipknot
i am just kidding Marvin, i love and desire u.

Thank you, Slipknot... I guess... but this thread's about Equilibrium. Stop spamming, go back to the Celebrity board to do that.

Slipknot

08-11-2003, 09:14 AM

LOL ooo Marvin, ur so damn clever, u think of eery possible thing to say. But wen it all comes down to it... ur still just a Jackass.

KayTang999

08-11-2003, 11:03 PM

I still don't understand your standard for over-rated movie. But that is your opinion and I respect that.

Fanible

08-12-2003, 03:48 AM

Actually Jack, theres nothing wrong with not liking it. I never said there was, and you're free to make that kind of opinion.

All I was pointing out is that you said it was way over rated. Which, besides this board, it really isn't. Advertising and creators of the films boasting over it makes something over-rated... not local personal opinions, and reviewers that you'd actually have to LOOK up the movie title at those reviewers in order to find out what they've said about it. The word of it has to get out to people without them actually doing any research on the title, for it to be over rated.

I saw this movie with one thing alone on it... the cover said "Forget the Matrix" (not a super known reviewer who said that anyway). Now, that didn't effect me at all, except that it made me aware it's probably a sci-fi with action. I had no viewer opinions on it or anything. And then, when I posted a review the day after I rented the DVD (the day after it's DVD release), no one had really heard of it, and only a few had actually seen it. And if no one on here had really known of it, how many people who DON'T come to a movie website are going to really know about it?

The Matrix Reloaded was over rated (as much as I loved it). Now compare the two and tell me this is over rated.

OzzMosiz

08-12-2003, 06:43 AM

I have to agree with Fanible on this one!

Jack

08-12-2003, 12:47 PM

I have to disagree about your comment on "Advertising and creators of the films boasting over it makes something over-rated." I think it has EVERYTHING to do with word-of-mouth, local communities, and so on. Take for example The Blair With Project. This movie succeded because of (but not only) by word-of-mouth. It also (when it first came out anyway) had a very low budget as far as advertising goes, and yeah, you had to LOOK up what reviewers were saying about it. However, it had internet buzz, "movie geek" community buzz, and everyone that saw it enjoyed it greatly, raving about how scary it was. Then I saw it and felt it was greatly over-rated.

Your right, calling the Matrix Reloaded over-rated and Equilibrium over-rated are indeed two different things. Matrix = HUGE budget, HUGE expectations, HUGE advertising, and Joel Silver over-sold it. Personally, I knew the thing was going to be dissapointing, I was rather suprised how many people didn't see it coming. And I loved it.

But when I hear buzz about a movie from people that (usually) know movies, a movie that has a relativly low budget, and is unknown, and is supposed to be "innovative", I get excited (Blair Witch Project, Equilibrium, etc) and THAT is when I find things to be over-rated. Hope this makes my point a little clearer...sorry I didn't clarify the first time around?

You also have a point about personal experience when it comes to movies being over-rated. If I didn't know jack **** about Equilibrium, I may have liked it more. Maybe.... But this has happened to me too, I saw American Beauty without any hype and loved it, I saw Gladiator with all the hype and hated it.

Don't worry, plenty of people know about Equilibrium, it's not this secret little movie we pass along to each other on the internet. It isin't THAT unkknown, other people besides everyone here DO indeed watch it, trust me. It's all word-of-mouth, personal recomendations, and so on. Not just message board chit chat.

Hitman

08-12-2003, 07:57 PM

Originally posted by Halofan1
One of my friends dislikes this movie because the Taye doesn't put up a fight at the end

That was one of the things I didn't like about the film after my 1st viewing. I was left wanting more sword fights. Then, after seeing it my 2nd time, I was fine with it because I understood how John Preston was The S***. :cool:

KayTang999

08-12-2003, 09:28 PM

To me over-rated is something like LOTR or HP or Spider-Man or Matrix or SW. Something that get mention everywhere not just local or just in certain places. It has to be everywhere which those movies do.

Equilibrium might get hype by the word of the mouth but nothing beat advertisement, IMO.

Hitman

08-12-2003, 11:53 PM

Originally posted by Fanible
And Devily May Cry's Dante =P

All we're doing is hoping . So in that case, here is my hope for the live- action potrayol of Dante...

Brad Pitt

http://www.btinternet.com/~digital.wallpapers/brad_pitt_1.jpg

http://www.celebritysavers.com/wallpapers/bradpitt2.jpg

http://bradpitt.wz.cz/images/bpenter_04.gif

as Dante

http://www.allrpg.com/games/devilmaycry2/artwork/8.jpg

http://www.peliplaneetta.net/images/files/3164/pic_1.jpg

Nuff said. :cool: (I apoligize for going off topic)

Marvin

08-13-2003, 06:41 AM

That's who I was thinking.

spiderman_2k

08-13-2003, 07:17 AM

Well u stick him in it and he will ask for alot of money to carry the franchise off.....

Hitman

08-13-2003, 07:55 AM

True that. He'd still be cool as hell though.

KayTang999

08-13-2003, 08:16 PM

Brad would be nice but Christain is really good actor but he has been on the really low on the list for this kind of thing. Beside, Brad is already busy enough.

spiderman_2k

08-13-2003, 09:01 PM

And chances are it would turn into a franchise...which is someting Brad cannot commit too IMO

Fanible

08-14-2003, 12:58 PM

I think Christian's face fits Dante's appearance much more nicely. And from Equilibrium, we already know he could play the part, just from seeing him holding two guns and the outfits he wears. Maybe Brad Pit might have a better build for the part?

As far as appearance goes think Bale looks near perfect, and like I said, he kicks arse holding two pistols, as we already know. Brad Pitt is too much of a pretty boy right now. He's a fantastic actor, and I love everything he's done, but for the dead pan serious monotone role of Dante, I can't picture him doing it right. Not right at all.

Honestly, all he'd have to do is be and act like the character from Equilibrium, give him white hair and a red leather outfit and trench coat, and there's Dante.

http://www.adorocinema.com/personalidades/atores/christian-bale/christian-bale.jpg
http://www.adorocinema.com/personalidades/atores/christian-bale/christian-bale03.jpg
http://img5.allocine.fr/acmedia/medias/nmedia/18/35/10/12/p2.jpg
http://images.countingdown.com/images/countdowns/movies/548502/1011/2646879_main.jpg
http://images.countingdown.com/images/countdowns/movies/548502/1011/2646897_main.jpg
http://images.countingdown.com/images/countdowns/movies/548502/1011/2630806_main.jpg

Hitman

08-14-2003, 01:28 PM

Well as far as looks go, Brad has Christian beat. Even the facial structures are near identical. Perhaps, Bale could play the part better during the action scenes since we've all seen what he did (with 2 guns) in Equilibrium. Brad may be a "pretty boy" type but, in a way, that's what Dante is too. Dante is too cool for school and style (aside from killing demons) is his thing. Just imagine Brad Pitt in white hair, a red trench with a black vest, and split cape, holding 2 guns at the camera and just saying "Let's rock baby!". There you go. Bale is the more likely choice but I think Brad could play the role to a tee. Not to mention the better build. Well anyway, in the Trivia section of the CS! froums, I have my own cast listing for the Devil May Cry movie in the "Movie Cast Game" thread. Definitely worth a look.

KayTang999

08-14-2003, 02:02 PM

Well if they want to sell the movie then they will most likely get Brad but if they go for realistic then they might go for Christian.

daveanator

08-14-2003, 05:56 PM

please make Equilibrium 2!!!!!!!

KayTang999

08-14-2003, 06:52 PM

You know it is really depending on the writing. Most sequel end up really bad and I don't want the original to be ruined because sequel turned out to be bad.

daveanator

08-14-2003, 07:20 PM

true but i think they can inprove on it though

Fanible

08-15-2003, 04:29 AM

Well it's Brad's nose and eyes that are turning me off. I chose Bale for appearance before I thought about him in Equilibrium. His bone structure, the space between is eyes, and his nose match Dante.

http://www.allrpg.com/games/devilmaycry2/artwork/8.jpg
http://images.countingdown.com/images/countdowns/movies/548502/1011/2646879_main.jpg

Grant make Bale glare and squinch is eyes a little more than those pictures of him, and I think he's practicly identical.

KayTang999

08-15-2003, 04:56 PM

Who is Dante again??? But yeah they do have the same face structure.

Hitman

08-15-2003, 05:47 PM

Dante is the son af a legendary demon hunter named Sparda. It's a kickass video game that many, including me, consider to be a classic. :cool:

Moving on, here is why Brad obviously shares more similarities to Dante...

http://www.allrpg.com/games/devilmaycry2/artwork/8.jpg

and then

http://bradpitt.wz.cz/images/bpenter_04.gif

Now here you go. The faces are so much alike, you'd almost think that Dante's face was inspired by Brad's. Notice the same nose structue, squinted eyes, even the same jaw and lips! ;)

KayTang999

08-15-2003, 06:14 PM

What is the name of video game??? I have retired from game for quite sometime.

spiderman_2k

08-16-2003, 12:10 PM

Devil May Cry...but make sure u dont get the second and base ur impression of Dante from that one...he was much, much better in the first IMO..

Also Christians Nose and Jaw looks more like Dantes than brads..but i dont mind either way.

Fanible

08-17-2003, 10:54 AM

Originally posted by spiderman_2k

Also Christians Nose and Jaw looks more like Dantes than brads..but i dont mind either way.

Like I said, thats what I was looking at. His lips are narrower like Dantes as well, as oppose to Brad's which are bit larger. Other than the appearance I suppose Brad could do it.

IRISH_SAINT21

08-17-2003, 07:48 PM

I HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOU PEOPLE / WHY DID THE "FATHER" HAVE PAINTINGS IN HIS ROOM AT THE END / THAT SHOWS EMOTION , RIGHT?

Fanible

08-17-2003, 09:57 PM

Dude, you did it again. Thats a serious spoiler, and you need to warn before you do it.

Like answered already, it was just showing when you entered that room, you saw beautiful things, he had a nice desk, nice place. It was showing clearly that he wasn't on the drug and he was feeling.

daveanator

08-18-2003, 12:15 AM

do u guys think they will make a sequel???

angelusrp

08-18-2003, 03:57 AM

hmm..its a possibility..this movie was awesome.

KayTang999

08-19-2003, 11:23 PM

I haven't heard anything about sequel beside our very own hope and speculation but it would be amazing.

yeahyeahyeah73

08-25-2003, 01:31 PM

Just saw this and it was awesome. They won't make a sequel because the first film didn't make any money. (Because it was marketed poorly.) If they did, it would probably be straight to DVD/video and wouldn't have Christian Bale, so it would probably be crap. Too bad, cuz this was awesome.

daveanator

08-25-2003, 03:19 PM

i know stupid marketing if they had marketed it better it would have done soo good in the box office i say they should re lease it so people can see it

KayTang999

08-26-2003, 11:53 AM

Yeah they should but that is a really high hope, it needs to get more noise for that to happen. Well let hear some noise!!!

daveanator

09-01-2003, 12:35 AM

so when will we hear if there will be a sequel???

lemeri

09-01-2003, 12:48 AM

I don't think it was good at all.

Film Elemental

09-04-2003, 06:58 PM

This film was my religion for about a week back at the beginning of summer. I watched it 5 times in 5 days. Its just an amazing achievement that was completely shafted by the studio. The exec that didnt give this a wide release is in need of better schooling for obvious reasons.

Did anyone else listen to the commentary? Kurt Wimmer (director) mentioned that the end battle with "the father" was originally supposd to have this mind-blowing sequence but it was never added due to budget constricts. Well, I guess that it is so good they wouldnt even hint at what it was. They only promised it would be in their next film. So, now I cannot wait for next year when Wimmer's next project Ultraviolet is to be released.

KayTang999

09-05-2003, 01:14 AM

So he is not making a sequel?

OzzMosiz

09-05-2003, 04:33 AM

Films like this don't need a sequel, it could only damage the
brilliance of the original if it is not done well (Matrix anyone?)

spiderman_2k

09-05-2003, 10:47 AM

A sequel should in no way damage anything in the original IMO
Even if it sucks, it still should'nt take away what u loved from the 1st one...

Fanible

09-06-2003, 10:27 AM

Tis true. Im not letting the new SW films ruin the original three. I didn't let a couple of the disappointing Alien films ruin the others for me either.

Ditto, with my opinion that I thought T3 wasn't that great, but it doesn't change the fact that T2 was all out awsome and I still love it.

Thats why the whole sequel's should never be made argument is stupid to me. I'd rather just let Hollywood make sequels, and take the chance that you'll get a good one (which you do atleast one or two films a lot of times). If it sucks, just don't watch it anymore. If you're so against sequels, just don't see them in the first place.

cg124

09-06-2003, 12:57 PM

I wonder why some critics bashed this film

Fanible

09-08-2003, 11:13 AM

Simply not understanding it is usually the case.

If there's no hype or lots of people raving about it, they have to really make their own opinion and pay attention. Plainly some critics out there just shouldn't have reviewing movies as one of their jobs.

Skinny

09-08-2003, 04:41 PM

Originally posted by cg124
I wonder why some critics bashed this film

I really dont know why... Equilibrium has become one of my top favorites ever since my infamous but hella cool art teacher showed it in class... after that, i totally fell in love with that movie... i must have seen it 4 more times at least! It's a really good movie... and i honestly feel that its a good enough movie to live up to the Matrix...

KayTang999

09-11-2003, 07:36 PM

I am not surprise some critics bashed this film because when they also bashed LOTR.

nightbringer

09-26-2003, 04:00 AM

I just watched this film about a week ago. All I can say is wow. I loved the movie, it will forever go down in my book as one of the best independent films along with Donnie Darko and Boondock Saints. I loved the GunKata, and Christian Bales acting was topnotch, after seeing this I think he'll make a great Batman. He would have been a better Neo also.

Red Monkey

09-28-2003, 12:33 AM

Finally got a chance to rent the movie after reading about it here in the forum.

Really good flick! Love the action sequences and effects. They give the Matrix a run for its money at a third of its cost.

rosncranz

09-28-2003, 09:46 AM

i saw this movie so long ago and i made a thread about it, i dont know if it was here or not but, i was talking about it and everyone just ignored it and thought it was stupid, now everyone is all about it and it is so damn annoying!

Radiohead

10-09-2003, 11:26 AM

wow, rosncranz! people with attitudes like yours go far in life!
i don't recall seeing a thread on CS! that said this movie was stupid but if you want to go ahead and validate your snide remark with a link to your thread then i will be a good little puppy and shut my mouth while retreating to the corner with my tail between my legs.

rosncranz

10-11-2003, 07:37 PM

wow radiohead you are complete idiot! none of what i posted was snide and also the fact that you said people with attituteds like mine go far in life, just shows how little you know! i was simply stating that it is annoying when i like a movie a lot and everyone ignores it or say that it looks stupid etc. then later once it has become popular they are all about it! my point is its annoying because idiots like you then act as if i dont know what i am talking about. i dont care if people like it that is fine. and if you think i have an attitude problem look back at your post. you dont know anything about me and the fact that you feel that you are so important and the center of the earth that i could even care about some idiotic post most by some moron shows how you are in fact the one with the attitude problem and how far you will go in life.