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07-23-2002, 03:58 AM

I'm glad Brock went to Smackdown! Now more wrestlers on RAW can get bigger pushes. While Smackdown's roster of wrestlers suffer and job to Brock. Can you say Hogan?

Anyways....I read this on a following wrestling source

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It was said that at Vengence, Taker would job to Brock for the belt. Most of us doubted the idea of it but still waited to see if it was right. Needless to say, Rock got the belt..

But..

Rock is going to be working on his acting career and will job to Brock at Summerslam. Why Rock? Mainly because it might be the last time he ever holds the belt. Kurt Angle is a great technichal wrestler and really did deserve it. As Undertaker holding the belt for another month would be an awful idea..

End of spoilers

RAW Thoughts

The Following Rant is the opinion of Link.

The following has typo's and crappy grammar..rushed mostly.

Also some parts of the rant will go downward into different discussion good day..

Bischoff comes out and rants about The Rock coming to RAW and HHH....Wasn't HHH already on RAW?

Blah Blah Blah..Introduces HHH into the ring and HBK comes out...

New Color Commentery set..nice..blah blah Nitro Copy off..

Bischoff says HBK will be HHH manager everywhere. Around the world, STV Movies, in the shower naked..uh...

HBK hates the idea..leaves..HHH runs for him..

Bischoff smiles and announces tonight there will be a ladder match for Euro and IC.

HBK and HHH argue..nice...build-up

<Break>

Jeff Hardy comes out? Ladder Match already? It seems RAW's viewers won't have to suffer through the whole show and watch the only decent match right now. RVD's ribs get hurt..he wins...He goes into the books as the 3rd Eurocontidental champion ever...D'lo and Angle follow..

CN thanks Bischoff in front of everyone..Surprise! No ******* chant yet...

Undertaker comes out and beats down CN ass..Last Ride..Wow this is probably the first thing he ever has done in his Bad Ass gimmick that I appluad to. As yet..Chris doesn't deserve to even get powerbombed by Taker. And should be on a Dark Match of Velicity, getting Shattered Dreams by Goldust. Gangrel anyone?

Rhyno..wow...COUGH SUNDAY NIGHT HEAT COUGH

Intergender match...It seems Vince likes manipulating Women...then rush into his room during one of these kind of matches...

Vince has misplaced his AstroGlide..Anybody seen it?

Bischoff talks to Benoit about maybe getting a title shot. Maybe the first thing the writing crew has done accurately this whole night.

Rock and Eddie argue in a time wasting segment..

Anybody remember when there was always an excellent opening plot that lasted about 24 minutes. Which was the only segment and the rest was ass kicking? Yeah I miss it too...

Brock kicks Dreamer's ass..Who didn't see it coming? Since Brock seems to be from Vince's view as the only solution to ratings...

Vince is an idiot..

Undertaker attacks Lesnar...I guess this sadly means Summerslam will be a 3 way..Maybe Angle will get in it too..

Big Show talks to Micheals about Tough Love..threatening too..Come on..Wight Shawn shouldn't even be wasting time on your fat jobbing ass.

Dlo fights Stasiak and Island Boys come in and clean house...Island Boys? WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU DOING VINCE!?

HHH segment..skip

Goldust and Booker..you guys aren't entertaining anymore..skip

Booker T vs Benoit

As much as I love Booker's skills and deserving push. I look at Benoit and see he hasn't even won a damn match before Vengence...Benoit wins...good for him..

Show comes out..powerbombs Spike..

MY GOD ERIC YOU DO HAVE RUTHLESS AGRESSION..STOP BRINGING IN 2ND RATE WCW WRESTLERS AND WASTING TIME WITH SHOW!!

Show puts Spike through a table..

HHH and Shawn come up next..

Before I say this..When I witnessed this next segment, I was excited! I knew D-X resulted the Old WWF!! Great!

HHH and Shawn come out in the best segment of RAW in the pass 3 weeks! I loved it...

HHH does the old D-X poem......Oh well Shawn shouldn't have closed his eyes..

HHH turns around and kicks HBK..I knew the writers would **** something up..But props to Hunter for doing the best and hardest damn pedigree ever in his career..

End of segment..Ah..that was great..

Steph comes..great..

Rock fights Eddie..blah blah blah..end of match..Brock grabs Rock's belt and holds it for an annoying minute..There was no tension..He drops it....Instead of discussing Rock's win, they keep saying BROCK IS DOING MIND GAMES! MIND GAMES! WHAT A MIND GAME! ROCK WAS JUST FOOLED!?!! MIND GAME! MY GOD! Rock just stood there dumbfounded..thinking how the hell his Agent let him do..A MIND GAME! JESUS! WHAT A BUILDUP! Siegfried and Roy will be performing next week with White Tigers..what a MIND GAME! They'll be pulling a rabbit out of a hat..As Vince is busy using a Jimmy Hat as his stocks drop..

Brock goes for Smackdown!..Well there goes Edge's career..as he'll be jobbing to that fat MONSTER! MONSTER! MY GOD!

Thank you for reading Link's RAW Rant..Next week..I predict..

HHH being a single heel..Alone
Bischoff and Steph continue to recruit people...Benoit will win atleast one belt from RVD...HBK feud with Hunter maybe? Hey maybe Billy Gunn will come out of House Shows and they'll sign Road Dogg..don't count on it...

Kyle Katarn

07-23-2002, 09:44 AM

Why Hunter? WHY?! :(

Oh well, I think I know why...maybe...HBK's last run in WWE - a fued with HHH!

Colorado Cajun

07-23-2002, 09:36 PM

Yeah I also see KBK vs HHH down the line at maybe Survivor Series or something. I so hope the Heartbreak Kid is healthy enough to give it one more run because he is the most charismatic and fun face ever imo

Also HBK is secomd only to Sting in my book

slinger

07-23-2002, 10:06 PM

Originally posted by Colorado Cajun
Yeah I also see KBK vs HHH down the line at maybe Survivor Series or something.

Don't you mean Summerslam?

Colorado Cajun

07-23-2002, 10:49 PM

no I'm hoping they build it up a bit more with like HBK vs Show at Summer Slam. That way they can make it have so much meaning

slinger

07-23-2002, 11:26 PM

Yeah there should be more build up but there is three Pay Per Views plus a dozen Raws between now and November. It would be very hard to drag out that angle for four months for one match. The Raw before SummerSlam could feature a tag match Show/HHH vs. HBK/? .

I think the HBK/Show encounter was just to hint that HBK will return.

HotBoy

07-26-2002, 12:03 AM

Hey, did you guys see Rey Mysterio, Jr.? He was excellent!!! Especially that dropkick out, and back into the ring through the middle ropes.

Rogue

07-26-2002, 10:21 AM

Yep, I said it last night! Rey was great, whoo hoo! :D

HotBoy

07-29-2002, 08:10 PM

Eric Bischoff has stolen Lance Storm, Christian, and Test from Smackdown, to Raw!!! And Shawn Michaels is now challenging HHH!!!

HotBoy

07-29-2002, 10:15 PM

Great match between Ric Flair, and The Rock; Shawn Michaels was
attacked; Chris Benoit is the new IC champ; the UnAmericans attacked the Undertaker; and Y2J attacked Ric Flair, and now he's back on Raw!

slinger

07-29-2002, 10:16 PM

Ever since I read the spoiler last week, Jericho was my pick. I was suprised, disappointed and enjoyed seeing the UnAmericans tonight. Then after all great matches (most notably Bennoit winning) Y2J makes his appearence. The UnAmericans and Chris weren't booked tonight for the SD! house show so many had Jericho as the most likely choice. So I was suprised when his intro started.

Anyway it was another great RAW, the HBK incident, was the only questionable point. HHH looked to be a heel again then we get this stuff this week? Maybe he did do it.

So now who is going to Smackdown? Bennoit with his new belt or maybe Tommy Dreamer which would cause the hardcore division to shift to SD!

HotBoy

07-29-2002, 10:30 PM

It could be both Tommy Dreamer, and RVD. Having RVD on Smackdown would be a major boost for the show, especially with Rey Mysterio, Jr. now on Smackdown!!! Can you imagine a match between the 2 of them, or for that matter, the 2 of them as a tag-team?!!

Also, I've got a feeling that HBK's attacker(s), are either the UnAmericans, or the Big Show.

Lastly, here's a message to the WWE: Please, sign GOLDBERG!!!
I'm dying to see Goldberg vs. HHH!!!

slinger

07-31-2002, 03:36 PM

Originally posted by HotBoy
It could be both Tommy Dreamer, and RVD. Having RVD on Smackdown would be a major boost for the show, especially with Rey Mysterio, Jr. now on Smackdown!!! Can you imagine a match between the 2 of them, or for that matter, the 2 of them as a tag-team?!!

Two jumped to Smackdown, one being a champion.

.....The Crippler and Latino Heat.....

WWE Films is official. Check their site. If you haven't heard already they now have there own film company headed by a man that's been involved with X-Men, X-Men 2 and Wild Wild West. Expect to see wrestlers in movies soon. First mostly well written action movies.

Colorado Cajun

07-31-2002, 11:09 PM

Goldberg is a no talent waste of space. Brock is ten times the Goldberg that he is:p

slinger

08-02-2002, 02:11 PM

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HotBoy

08-07-2002, 07:38 AM

On this past Raw, it was revealed that Triple H was the man that attacked Shawn MIchaels last week, and at SummerSlam, it will be
Triple H vs. Shawn Michaels.

Kyle Katarn

08-13-2002, 09:56 PM

Honestly, what do you guys think? Is HBK physically able to wrestle? Is it possible they have been stringing us along and that he can come back 100%? Or will it be as promoted, just a "fight?"

I am hoping that he has fooled us all, and that he comes back as the HBK of old....but is it even possible?

slinger

08-14-2002, 12:44 AM

HBK vs HHH - Steet Fight

MysteryStar

08-15-2002, 09:02 PM

I think it's just going to be a street fight. If Shawn could wrestle he would have been back a long time ago.

Kyle Katarn

08-16-2002, 09:47 PM

Wasn't Shawn gonna make a comeback in 2001? I read in a Raw magazine that was released about the time of WMX7, that he was coming back. And from what I gathered, it would be for a wrestling role....

The main reason I think he's in decent shape now? All the hype otherwise! HHH: "You're crippled, HBK is dead, you can't wrestle!" In fact, I was looking for Shawn to come out and whup @$$ in Greensboro, but guess not....

The WWE likes to pull out suprises, so it would be a big suprise to see HBK put on a decent match at SummerSlam....but I know the back injury was not a work, so he will never be on the exact same level as before. Just a thought....but I still think that with all the stuff I have read in interviews with him since the injury, he may have some gas left in the tank, with all due respect to JR!

MysteryStar

08-17-2002, 09:50 AM

I agree it could be just hype but I think at the start it might just be a pure fight.

Shawn said this was just like a test match to see if he would want to come back and if he did it wouldn't be till wrestle mania. This match is the make or break match for Shawn and the WWE to see if he should come back.

I don't think there is a role left for Shawn if he came back. People would expect him to pull the same stuff off and he couldn't and so the fans may be let down.

Well I wouldn't cause I never really like Shawn anyways. but still some might be let down.

obi wan jabroni

08-19-2002, 03:11 AM

Originally posted by Kyle Katarn
Honestly, what do you guys think? Is HBK physically able to wrestle? Is it possible they have been stringing us along and that he can come back 100%? Or will it be as promoted, just a "fight?"

I am hoping that he has fooled us all, and that he comes back as the HBK of old....but is it even possible?

well a shawn michaels at 50% is still about 100% better than half the wrestlers on the current roster. plus i'm pretty confident he'll work a better match than the others that have come back after a long layoff like hogan and flair. although in hogans case that ain't saying much. ;)

slinger

08-19-2002, 10:23 PM

Another great RAW! What an ending.

SummerSlam Predictions

The Rock(c) vs. Lesner: Lesner. With all the apparent ads about events in September mentioning Lesner with the Raw roster, The Rock filming a movie in September and Lesner not ever losing (well kinda) he'll be champ. Even though I think its just too quick. The thing now is the wrestler who defeats Lesner.

HBk vs HHH: Tough. It has been hyped as a street fight. I think HHH will pin HBK but HBK won't leave crippled.

Flair vs Y2J: I see Y2J winning this. Flair's last PPV match. Maybe one more match on the following RAW or the next week's RAW.

RVD vs Bennoit(c): The Crippler. Thus RVD will be punished on the next RAW.

Taker vs Test: Test will bury the the Deadman. With Taker's retirement seeming like a few months away Taker will get the big boot. Or Taker could win but a special rematch for the next PPV would have Test win.

Un-Americans vs Booket T & Goldust The 5 time WCW Champion and the Goldenone will win. With two tag match wins in a row, the Un-Americans will suffer a lost. Maybe the Island Boys will face off against Booker and Goldust on the following RAW.

Angle vs Mysterio Angle. But it will be one of the most entertaining matches of the night.

Edge vs Eddie I will have to go with Edge here.

Well once again the HC title will not be up for grabs at a PPV. Maybe a ladies battle royal will be added. Like Eric said the PPV needs sex appeal.

thebtskink

08-19-2002, 10:34 PM

I'm still holding out hope that the HHH-HBK feud is a work... one will lay down for the other... and a classic DX "we fooled you" is in order.

otherwise... HBK.:D

Kyle Katarn

08-20-2002, 06:08 AM

H....B....K!!!!!! :eek: :cool:

I just knew he would be there, but I never imagined him stringing up the Sweet Chin Music for the "Next Big B****!" :D

And did you see him fly over the top rope?! A good sign of things to come I hope!

http://raw.wwe.com/results/081902/images/Stl0037.jpg

Altrageous

08-20-2002, 11:01 PM

Hey guys, new WWE fan here on the CS Boards. I have to work during SummerSlam, too bad. Anyways, I'm rewriting the original first four Friday the 13th movies (just for fun) and if I ever get ambitious and try to sell it to Hollywood, I've got Brock Lesnar in mind to play Jason. Anyways, just wanted to introduce myself. And WWE rules! :D

Kyle Katarn

08-20-2002, 11:04 PM

Welcome......WOOOOOOO....to CS!

obi wan jabroni

08-21-2002, 02:08 AM

Originally posted by Kyle Katarn
H....B....K!!!!!! :eek: :cool:

I just knew he would be there, but I never imagined him stringing up the Sweet Chin Music for the "Next Big B****!" :D

And did you see him fly over the top rope?! A good sign of things to come I hope!

http://raw.wwe.com/results/081902/images/Stl0037.jpg

well, considering how his leg was caught on the top rope and he nearly killed himself. let's hope he does a bit better eh?;)

still hbk looked pretty good. hopefully he's been working in the ring alot to get over all the ring rust.

and how freakin' sweet will benoit/RVD be? that one should steal the show.

Kyle Katarn

08-21-2002, 07:08 PM

Originally posted by obi wan jabroni

well, considering how his leg was caught on the top rope and he nearly killed himself. let's hope he does a bit better eh?;)

Yeah, it was a tad awkward...but just seeing him do it was sweeeeeet....because we know he can still fly to some degree...

obi wan jabroni

08-22-2002, 02:15 AM

yeah, i really hope that he does well enough in this match to come back and wrestle on a part time basis at least. how awesome would a flair vs. michaels match be? granted, it wouldn't be as great as it would have been 8 years ago. but just to see two of the greatest ever lock horns would be classic. :)

MysteryStar

08-22-2002, 11:02 AM

Originally posted by obi wan jabroni

and how freakin' sweet will benoit/RVD be? that one should steal the show.

I hope it steals the show, I love Benoit

Kyle Katarn

08-25-2002, 08:16 AM

Less than 12 hours till showtime!!! Wooooooooooooo!!!!!

Colorado Cajun

08-25-2002, 06:10 PM

Only one more hour to go:D
Man it's going to be a great ppv

slinger

08-25-2002, 11:51 PM

Originally posted by slinger
Another great RAW! What an ending.

SummerSlam Predictions

The Rock(c) vs. Lesner: Lesner. With all the apparent ads about events in September mentioning Lesner with the Raw roster, The Rock filming a movie in September and Lesner not ever losing (well kinda) he'll be champ. Even though I think its just too quick. The thing now is the wrestler who defeats Lesner.

HBk vs HHH: Tough. It has been hyped as a street fight. I think HHH will pin HBK but HBK won't leave crippled.

Flair vs Y2J: I see Y2J winning this. Flair's last PPV match. Maybe one more match on the following RAW or the next week's RAW.

RVD vs Bennoit(c): The Crippler. Thus RVD will be punished on the next RAW.

Taker vs Test: Test will bury the the Deadman. With Taker's retirement seeming like a few months away Taker will get the big boot. Or Taker could win but a special rematch for the next PPV would have Test win.

Un-Americans vs Booket T & Goldust The 5 time WCW Champion and the Goldenone will win. With two tag match wins in a row, the Un-Americans will suffer a lost. Maybe the Island Boys will face off against Booker and Goldust on the following RAW.

Angle vs Mysterio Angle. But it will be one of the most entertaining matches of the night.

Edge vs Eddie I will have to go with Edge here.

Well once again the HC title will not be up for grabs at a PPV. Maybe a ladies battle royal will be added. Like Eric said the PPV needs sex appeal.

Only three right. But does Flair need another win? No. I must say another great PPV, hopefully those who only watched for HBK will continue to watch RAW and Smackdown! What happened to the crowd during the last half? They could've made the PPV so much better. Sure it wasn't 67,000 cheering for Hogan and booing the Rock but come on 15,000 can't cheer for HBK's return. The crowd was more into the Angle/Mysterio match. So is RVD going to SD!? Who will Brock go against at Unforgiven? HBK is he going to show up or is being carried off on a stretcher how we last see him?

slinger

08-25-2002, 11:54 PM

01) WrestleMania X-8
02) SummerSlam
03) Royal Rumble
04) No Way Out
05) Vengeance
06) King of the Ring
07) Judgment Day
08) Backlash

I hate bringing this up but remember Flair's rant about getting revenge on Lesner? Did Flair forget bc he's so old? C'mon writers.

Kyle Katarn

08-26-2002, 06:38 AM

A relative of mine from Charlotte had a theory a few months ago, and I see it coming to pass. Who can beat Brock?

ANGLE!

Brock is out-Angle-ing Kurt! Kurt is also a skilled technical (amatuer) wrestler, and also had an unheard of fast rise to the top tier. It's great to go back and read in Angle's book (published a year or 2 ago) that Brock was chicken to get in the ring and have an amatuer match with Kurt! Of course, from the book I can tell Kurt is almost as arrogant in real life as he is on WWE TV - but "it ain't braggin if ya do it and ya back it up!" It's time for Angle to have another top tier run, IMHO. But who will turn? After hearing "Rocky sucks!!" and boos after Rock layed the SmackDown last night, I think I see an F-5 in Paul Heyman's future!

But forget that HHH-HBK Stole the show! And to be honest, I have been content to get play-by-plays online for other ppv's, but this was the sole reason I bought SummerSlam! WHAT A MATCH! I was on the edge of my seat the whole time! And it was as I hoped - he IS still the Showstopper! Crossbody from the top rope to HHH through a table outside, elbow drop off the top of a ladder - holy crap!!! But like slinger said....will this be the last of HBK? I hope not! If he had won the match and left, yeah...but to see him carried out on a strecher?! Booo!

I read in a Raw magazine from about 2 years ago that Shawn would do it one more time for his son....and I guess he did! But one more what? Match? Or run? Only 14 hours till Raw!!!!

Colorado Cajun

08-26-2002, 11:44 AM

Rey and Kurt tore it up to kick off the ppv with a great match

Why does Jericho still lose to people like Flair? He should be the main heel on Raw and in a top of the line feud

A great tag match with the UnAmericans coming out on top like they should've

Edge looked great against Eddie and I hope he gets pushed all the way to the top and is the man to beat Brockberg

RVD beat Benoit in one hell of a match and now is going to take the IC title to SD with him(I think)

HBK and HHH put on a match of the year candidate and HBK made me remember why he is second on my all time favorites list. He did stuff last night that made my jaw drop and made me feel like a kid all over again. I so hope he doesn't drop off of t.v. again for good

I still don't know why Brock was given the Undisputed Championship before people like Edge, Kane, Benoit, Booker, or RVD. I just don't feel that Brock is the strong champion that is needed to bring exposure to the WWE

Empusae

08-26-2002, 11:51 AM

Originally posted by Colorado Cajun
I still don't know why Brock was given the Undisputed Championship before people like Edge, Kane, Benoit, Booker, or RVD. I just don't feel that Brock is the strong champion that is needed to bring exposure to the WWE

They got it in their heads that he will be the next big thing. And by god they are going to do their best to make him just that. . . Reguardless of what you want ;)

Too bad The Rock has to go film Spy Hunter or some such.

slinger

08-26-2002, 12:44 PM

What was the deal with HHH's face? Why would he shave he doesn't seem like a heel anymore. I found it strange. Only Jericho can do it not him.

RVD to SD!, Kane to RAW. The ending for SummerSlam should've been like this: Brock celebrates half the crowd cheers for him (?) then a limping HBK makes his way out, challenges Lesner for the title. Heyman screams no, but a cocky Lesner accepts. Lesner pretty much dominates, but he knocks the ref by accident. The Rock comes in and HBK double team Brock. After a Rock Bottom, Lesner barely gets up Flair through the crowd runs in with a chair hits Lesner then Brock gets Sweet Chin Music. 123 HBK is the new champ. Lesner is furious. Flair leaves knowing he got his revenge. The Rock and HBK leave the ring. Rock raises HBK's arm.

The next night on RAW, HBK comes out talks about his matches, HHH interupts and says after the beating I gave you, you can't wrestle! The doctors have told you that and you're not cleared to wrestle. HBK admits this. Says the title will then be up for grabs at the next PPV in a fatal fourway. Two wrestlers from RAW, two From SD! Lesner runs in give the F-5 to HBK. HHH says I guess it be me and you representing RAW.

Kyle Katarn

08-27-2002, 08:40 AM

Well, I was disappointed that HBK didn't come out and screw HHH out of winning the #1 contender's match....but at least they are leaving it open for his return by not saying much either way...

If he was gonna go out, looks like he would just have won the match and left....right? Instead of being "crippled" again!

MysteryStar

08-27-2002, 03:59 PM

Is RVD going to smackdown?

Colorado Cajun

08-27-2002, 04:47 PM

Originally posted by MysteryStar
Is RVD going to smackdown?
My guess is no
The Tag and IC will be the Raw belts now while the Undisputed and Cruiser will be the SD belts for now

MysteryStar

08-27-2002, 05:48 PM

it makes no sense to unify most of the titles..

then if he isn't going to smackdown what was up with steph laughing?

it makes no sense at all, non at all...

Colorado Cajun

08-27-2002, 07:28 PM

Yeah agree with you on the getting rid of all the belts thing. Why the hell would you drop the HC title right when it was getting popular again:mad: They better damn well make some tag teams now and really puch the Cruiser strap

slinger

08-27-2002, 07:58 PM

Originally posted by MysteryStar
it makes no sense to unify most of the titles..

then if he isn't going to smackdown what was up with steph laughing?

it makes no sense at all, non at all...

Maybe because Lesner will only be on SD!

But if Lesner is ever in a Triple Threat, he isn't pinned the champ is back on RAW.

HotBoy

08-27-2002, 10:56 PM

That was actually part of my guess, which is: there will be 2 contenders for the WWE title, 1 from RAW(HHH), and 1 from Smackdown.

My guess is the 2 guys who should fight for that chance are Kurt Angle, and Edge.

Also, the match between RVD, and Tommy Dreamer was excellent!!!

Lastly, did you see Stephanie at the end of RAW??! Is it me, or is she getting bigger up top??

Kyle Katarn

08-28-2002, 08:35 AM

From WWE.com:

Last match or not, Michaels amazes
by Phil Speer

UNIONDALE, N.Y. – Aug. 25, 2002 – It was the kind of match that friends, spouses and parents fly into town to see. Shawn Michaels and Triple H performed in a contest tonight that neither one of them – nor, if the fans at Nassau Coliseum are any indication, the fans – will ever forget.

For the record, Michaels won, but he took a severe beating from Triple H after the match.

Kevin Nash sat next to his longtime friend, Michaels, as the Heartbreak Kid received ice on his back after the match.

“It was everything I knew it would be,” Nash told WWE.com about the match. “It’s not like I’m surprised about how good it was. I didn’t fly here to watch anything but. It was watching two of the greats.”

Nash was one of a few dozen Superstars who stopped by to shake Michaels’ hand and express their admiration for his ability and the match. “How long have you been off?” Chris Benoit came by and asked Michaels jokingly, implying that HBK’s performance in the match made it look like he was a full-time competitor, not one who had not wrestled in WWE since WrestleMania XIV.

Even Triple H expressed his admiration.

“Shawn Michaels proved to the world, to me, tonight, that he’s the greatest worker possibly there’s ever been,” said the Game, his face covered in dried blood, in an interview. “To be able to come back after four years, and look like he never missed a day … ”

Michaels modestly disagreed.

“Oh gosh no. I’ve missed a day,” he said with a chuckle. “(I’ve missed) 365 days, times four. I’ve gotta tell you I’m so jumbled right now, it’s hard to accurately describe (what I thought of the match). I’m very happy with it – that I came out healthy, the people seemed to like it, everybody back here was pleased. I’m no longer the guy who comes out of the ring and says, ‘I can do better.’ I think that was just fine. I’m pleased with it.

“I’m happy to be healthy, but I don’t really know how it looked visually. I can’t comprehend that right now.”

Triple H was much more than pleased.

“I just had one of the greatest matches in my life,” he said. “I’m sure I’m going to be beat up tomorrow. But in the meantime there’s nothing like being able to go out in front of capacity, sold-out arena and do what we do. There’s nothing like it. For me to be in a role that is who I am (an antagonist), I was able to get what I haven’t been able to get now for about a year and a half, since May of 2001. It was a hell of a night. Win, lose or draw, I did what I said what I was going to do – put on the show of shows. Whether you love me or hate me, that’s what I do.”

During the interview, The Game wore a bandage that was at least six inches long across his forehead. He said it was too early to tell if he’d need stitches.

Michaels, meanwhile, said his back was becoming increasingly sore as his muscles tightened and the adrenaline wore off. And after the beating Triple H gave him after the match, he won’t be appearing on WWE television in the immediate future. He certainly won’t be wrestling any time soon, or possibly ever.

Because his wife, Rebecca, had never seen him wrestle, he flew her to the show tonight. And because it was such a big match, he also brought his mother and father. The three watched the match out in the audience, cheering when HBK took the offensive, chanting “HBK!” when the crowd did, literally jumping up and down with Michaels won. But Rebecca also shed a few tears when Michaels took the brunt of a high-impact maneuver; his mother covered her mouth with both hands.

Michaels jumped off the top rope to the ring-apron area, crashing through a table. He jumped off a ladder, dropping an elbow on The Game. He took several chair-shots. He was clobbered with a sledgehammer. In his first WWE match in four years, with a back that’s surgically fused, did Shawn take too many risks?

“Of course I’m concerned about (his health), but at the same time, I was working four years watching him do those things every night,” Nash said. “He took a couple of risks I wish he wouldn’t of tonight. But that’s Shawn, and there’s no way he’s going to go out there and not give it his all. Thank God he didn’t get hurt.”

Asked if he agreed with Nash that he may have taken too many risks, Michaels said, “That’s probably pretty accurate I guess. I still only know one way of doing this. My biggest concern was going out there and trying to do something too conservative and getting hurt. I don’t know if that makes any sense. But for me a lot of times if I start giving things too much thought, that’s when I get hurt.

“It was just that kind of match. Even if I’m not going to do much, I’m going to try to do something somewhat memorable. I don’t know what was that big of a risk. The splash through the table -- it’s not like the move is that tough. You just sort of fall off and fall through the table. It’s just the impact at the end. The impact at the end of all the moves hurts, so what are you going to do?”

Michaels said he doesn’t know about his future in the wrestling ring, and he won’t make any decisions for at least the next few days.

“I’ll see how I feel tomorrow. I have no idea how I’m gong to feel,” he said. “If I can’t get up and walk, yeah, you bet it is (my last match). If I feel good, I might be able … I’m sure it’s my last singles match. I just don’t think I can handle that on a regular basis.”

Although Triple H doesn’t know if he’ll ever have the opportunity, he’d love to have another match with Michaels. But he said he went into the match assuming he wouldn’t.

“I think we both went in with the mindset that this was a one-off for Shawn Michaels,” Triple H said. “You know, Shawn has a broken back. If you asked a doctor, he would tell you that Shawn is crazy for doing what he did tonight. Most people wouldn’t be walking if they were in Shawn’s position. We went out there with the mindset of, ‘Let’s shoot our wad, because we might not get another one. And if this is our only opportunity to live the dream with each other, we better make the most of it.’

“I can’t say this for sure because only the people that watched it can answer it, but I don’t think we disappointed anybody. I don’t think anybody who watches that match is going to say, ‘Damn it, I expected so much more from those guys.’ And if they do, kiss my ass.”

HotBoy

08-28-2002, 07:54 PM

Here's a Smackdown spoiler for you: the newest defector from RAW, to Smackdown is....

THE UNDERTAKER!!!

Kyle Katarn

09-02-2002, 11:12 AM

Oh yeah...if you think "gee the SummeSlam song was made just for the HBK/HHH fued...

You are right. After a futile search for lyrics/downloads, I saw at another message board that the WWE themselves made it, like they do entrance themes (that are not already out there, i.e Never Gonna Stop).

MysteryStar

09-02-2002, 11:46 AM

Originally posted by Kyle Katarn
Oh yeah...if you think "gee the SummeSlam song was made just for the HBK/HHH fued...

You are right. After a futile search for lyrics/downloads, I saw at another message board that the WWE themselves made it, like they do entrance themes (that are not already out there, i.e Never Gonna Stop).

Do you know the name of that summer slam song?

I'd kinda like to listen to it in a full version or something

Kyle Katarn

09-02-2002, 06:35 PM

I dunno the name, and according to where I got my info, there is only a remote chance it will even be released....:(

http://www.wzforums.com/showthread.php?threadid=3927

Kyle Katarn

09-02-2002, 08:05 PM

I feel good about Raw - I noticed TWO shots of HBK from the SummerSlam match on the intro!!!!!!!

Full time return, maybe?!?!??!?!??!?!

Kyle Katarn

09-07-2002, 09:23 AM

I read the latest Ross Report last night - apparently the Rock is going back to Hollywood until the beginning of next year - interestingly enough, in the words of JR, "in time for WrestleMania 19."

Now, I see a problem with this, and I think most anyone (even Rogue :p ;) ) would have to agree: There are many talented people who bust their butts for the WWE for well over two-thirds of the year, but are lucky if they even make the card of the coveted event. Yet the Rock can live the Hollywood high life for most of the year, then come back and headline a SmackDown or 2, the biggest show of the year, then maybe a few more shows, then off to Hollywood again? And do it again next year???

The Hurricane says it best: Wassup wit dat?!

MysteryStar

09-07-2002, 03:47 PM

yeah wassup wit dat?

It's because the rock still is a big name and fans still more or less cheer about him.

If they pushes some of the other guys and not just Lesnar then the Rock wouldn't be able to come and go as he pleases. He'd have to fight for his spot since someone would be able to fill it.

Rogue

09-07-2002, 11:03 PM

Originally posted by Kyle Katarn
I read the latest Ross Report last night - apparently the Rock is going back to Hollywood until the beginning of next year - interestingly enough, in the words of JR, "in time for WrestleMania 19."

Now, I see a problem with this, and I think most anyone (even Rogue :p ;) ) would have to agree: There are many talented people who bust their butts for the WWE for well over two-thirds of the year, but are lucky if they even make the card of the coveted event. Yet the Rock can live the Hollywood high life for most of the year, then come back and headline a SmackDown or 2, the biggest show of the year, then maybe a few more shows, then off to Hollywood again? And do it again next year???

The Hurricane says it best: Wassup wit dat?!

Actually I agree with you, HBKyle..this time.. ;)

Kyle Katarn

09-09-2002, 10:46 PM

H....L...A!!!! :eek: :eek: :D

Hank Scorpio

09-09-2002, 10:48 PM

Question, why did they feel the need to have another championship belt? Too many egos going around or something?

Rogue

09-09-2002, 11:19 PM

Originally posted by Kyle Katarn
H....L...A!!!! :eek: :eek: :D

Down boy!! :p

kryptonian_boy

09-11-2002, 10:06 AM

Originally posted by Hank Scorpio
Question, why did they feel the need to have another championship belt? Too many egos going around or something?

Nah. Now that Brock is only on Smackdown, they needed a belt to wrestle for on Raw. Also, it'll set up some kind of (god help us!) unification match a couple or 3 pay-per-views down the road.

MysteryStar

09-11-2002, 02:45 PM

How can they unify a belt that was already unified?

Hank Scorpio

09-11-2002, 03:04 PM

Well, if they feel the need to have two belts for the heavy weights, then they should have another set to match all of the others. Two sets of tag-team champs, two hardcore champs, two lightweight. If they aren't consistant then they are just playing to people's egos.

Malice

09-11-2002, 03:15 PM

It amazes me this thread is still alive...
I created it in jest....

The wonders.....

kryptonian_boy

09-12-2002, 12:20 PM

Well, is anyone ready for another unification? It's almost time for Billy and Chuck's commitment ceremony (sniff*wiping a tear from my eye). Pardon me, I always cry a little at fake wedding, er, commitment ceremonies....:rolleyes: :p

Malice

09-12-2002, 12:31 PM

Originally posted by kryptonian_boy
Well, is anyone ready for another unification? It's almost time for Billy and Chuck's commitment ceremony (sniff*wiping a tear from my eye). Pardon me, I always cry a little at fake wedding, er, commitment ceremonies....:rolleyes: :p

They are being COmmitted?
Cool!
Straightjackets and all?

thebtskink

09-12-2002, 02:33 PM

Originally posted by kryptonian_boy
Well, is anyone ready for another unification? It's almost time for Billy and Chuck's commitment ceremony (sniff*wiping a tear from my eye). Pardon me, I always cry a little at fake wedding, er, commitment ceremonies....:rolleyes: :p

didn't the wwe already try that with lawler's son and scotty too hotty?

Rogue

09-12-2002, 09:10 PM

Awww..Too Cool cracked me up. :D

MysteryStar

09-13-2002, 08:23 AM

I hated Too Cool. They had no talent, and no mic skills and were a waste of t.v time. IMO

Empusae

09-13-2002, 08:30 AM

Originally posted by Malice
It amazes me this thread is still alive...
I created it in jest....

The wonders.....

And here i thought you liked the WWF. . . Er. . . WWE ;)

slinger

09-13-2002, 10:47 PM

Originally posted by Empusae
And here i thought you liked the WWF. . . Er. . . WWE ;)

He liked WCW since well he's from the south. ;) If you didn't start it Malice (there is a wrestler named Malice in NWA-TNA which of course I immeadiatly thought of you) somebody else would've.

Kyle Katarn

09-16-2002, 10:16 PM

Lol...now I gotta see Unforgiven, for a chance to see Steph's billion-dollar backside! :eek: WHOO HOO! :D

MysteryStar

09-17-2002, 03:41 PM

I am so glad I am not getting the PPV now!

wait...won't it happen on RAW or Smackdown? the results of that stip?

I don't know. Didn't watch RAW cause it was boring.

Kyle Katarn

09-21-2002, 08:25 PM

Is anyone else disappointed with RVD's personality? He's like a hippie or something! "Whoa, you're giving off some major anger vibes, dude!" Whassup wit dat?! :eek:

Monday night was the first time I heard RVD say more than 20 words at one time...I guess I haven't been missing much. I guess that shows you can't be the REAL most electrifying wrestler on the planet, and a great talker... *waits for Rogue to nail him with a shoe! ;) *

Rogue

09-21-2002, 09:18 PM

*throws a flip flop at Kyle* Leave RVD alone. ;)

Colorado Cajun

09-21-2002, 10:28 PM

Originally posted by Kyle Katarn
Is anyone else disappointed with RVD's personality? He's like a hippie or something! "Whoa, you're giving off some major anger vibes, dude!" Whassup wit dat?! :eek:

Monday night was the first time I heard RVD say more than 20 words at one time...I guess I haven't been missing much. I guess that shows you can't be the REAL most electrifying wrestler on the planet, and a great talker... *waits for Rogue to nail him with a shoe! ;) *
He's always been the laid back whatever dude. He's the same as in ECW only he is now being prepped to be the main Raw Face now

slinger

09-22-2002, 12:21 PM

Predictions

HHH vs RVD - The Game finally puts someone over (failed twice with Jericho this year. atleast the hell in the cell match). RVD wins, HHH starts feud with Bubba.

Brock vs Taker - Probably Taker's last main event title match, and he will lose.

Y2J vs Flair - Jericho should finally win a PPV match. Great to see he made RVD tap not HHH hitting RVD with the belt on RAW.

Bennoit vs Angle - Bennoit will win.

UnAmericans vs Kane, Bubba, Goldy, Booker T - UnAmericans will lose. Good to see Regal added to the group.

Billy & Chuck vs Jamal & Rosie - Steph will be invovled with some HLA.

Edge vs Eddie - Edge will win in another rematch.

Trish vs Molly - Molly retains.

thebtskink

09-22-2002, 03:35 PM

Kyle Katarn

09-22-2002, 09:31 PM

Ooooh.......Bisch got ROBBED! :( :D

Colorado Cajun

09-22-2002, 10:27 PM

That ppv was outstanding!!!! All the matches were good and they tossed in some good swerves and angles. I give it an 8 out of 10

PS> Test's pumphandle on Kane owned:D

Colorado Cajun

09-22-2002, 10:29 PM

Originally posted by thebtskink
He's a stoner. What do you expect?
When it comes to coming off the top rope. Nobody gets as "high" as ROB VAN DAM!!! :D

Kyle Katarn

09-25-2002, 12:16 PM

Originally posted by Colorado Cajun
When it comes to coming off the top rope. Nobody gets as "high" as ROB VAN DAM!!! :D

RVD is by far the most unique wrestler I have ever seen - after Bubba hurt himself Monday night, I was just waiting for RVD to finish "setting the table!" I was hoping for a frog splash, but I guess he had to sell his injury. Ah well.

And looking back, parts of the RVD/HHH promo I bashed were hilarious - especially when RVD made fun of HHH's water spitting bit! :D :D :D

Too bad about Bubba, hope it's nothing serious.

I guess I will buy WM19 now...sadly, for what HBK says will be his final match... http://www.wwe.com/news/headlines/1176353 :(

Rogue

09-25-2002, 12:41 PM

Grrr..mocking HHH.. :mad: ;)

But you're right Kyle, RVD is the most unique wrestler we've seen in a while. I love watching him, you never know what he's going to do next and I love that in a match.

MysteryStar

09-25-2002, 01:35 PM

I don't know. RVD has become repeatitive in my mind. He does the same moves in each match and you can kind of predict when he is about to do them. IMO

Rogue

09-25-2002, 07:19 PM

Everyone has their own opinion.

unskilled

09-26-2002, 02:58 AM

Originally posted by MysteryStar
I don't know. RVD has become repeatitive in my mind. He does the same moves in each match and you can kind of predict when he is about to do them. IMO

agreed

Rogue

09-26-2002, 11:14 AM

Kane and Hurricane..two of my favorites. HurriKanes. :D

Colorado Cajun

09-28-2002, 12:21 PM

Originally posted by MysteryStar
I don't know. RVD has become repeatitive in my mind. He does the same moves in each match and you can kind of predict when he is about to do them. IMO
Umm I can call the move that everyone is going to do before they do it lol. Honestly I even got smacked for it during Unforgiven lol

slinger

10-07-2002, 10:21 PM

RAW should be in Vegas every night!

Not a boring moment really. All the matches entertained and then some! The only bad part was how it ended. HHH telling everyone Kane killed some women?!! What the ****?!! Perfect TLC match and its ruined by that.

That was one hell of a TLC match. Why couldn't Helms be in the match? They're giving Kane a pretty big push but do you think he's going to win against HHH at No Mercy? Maybe in a rematch at Survivor Series.

And the King! Screw being the champ! If you could be a WWF wrestler tonight who wouldn't want to be The King?

Colorado Cajun

10-07-2002, 10:26 PM

Yeah it was a good Raw. Personally I wish Test would stop getting jobbed, but since it was to Al it's cool. Kanes deserves his push and no I think the Game will win at No Mercy. I want Kane to though.

The TLC match was spectacular and I am sorta glad that Kane won.

Goldie is just too funny also

MysteryStar

10-08-2002, 06:53 AM

RAW was pretty stupid IMO

The TLC match was okay, I couldn't get into it really because the teams didn't mess together, how can you have a TLC match without Edge and Christian together?

It was similar to the smackdown one, the one Jericho claims people forgot well I haven't. That was one of the best ones.

This TLC just served to build Kane up as a monster and well the ruin him with his stupid angle! lol

slinger

10-08-2002, 08:58 PM

Originally posted by MysteryStar
RAW was pretty stupid IMO

The TLC match was okay, I couldn't get into it really because the teams didn't mess together, how can you have a TLC match without Edge and Christian together?

It was similar to the smackdown one, the one Jericho claims people forgot well I haven't. That was one of the best ones.

This TLC just served to build Kane up as a monster and well the ruin him with his stupid angle! lol

Well I guess not everyone can't enjoy RAW.

Ever read the article about the forgetten TLC? Apparently it is the forgotten one. I still remember it, but back then Jericho and Bennoit you couldn't forget what they did.

Also there is apparently backstage heat against Christian and Jeff Hardy so they couldn't really win the titles (though their partners deserved) and Spike and Bubba well thats just a waste. Tommy Dreamer should've be in place of Spike.

Kyle Katarn

10-12-2002, 09:06 PM

The new Raw magazine is on sale, with a great interview with Shawn Hickenbottom - complete with pics from his final match at SummerSlam! For me, it was great to read about his transition from the HeartBreak Kid to a born again Christian and family man. (Who can still has the Showstoppa inside, to come out when the need arises!)

slinger

10-13-2002, 09:38 PM

Originally posted by Kyle Katarn
The new Raw magazine is on sale, with a great interview with Shawn Hickenbottom - complete with pics from his final match at SummerSlam! For me, it was great to read about his transition from the HeartBreak Kid to a born again Christian and family man. (Who can still has the Showstoppa inside, to come out when the need arises!)

Last? C'mon never say never.

slinger

10-20-2002, 05:04 PM

NO MERCY Perdictions: Little build up for most matches, the TLC match was incredible but there wasn't even a tag match involving Kane and HHH.

Lesner (c) vs Taker - HELL IN A CELL: Lesner will take the bump but manage to win. If someone was going to defeat Lesner they wouldn't give it to Taker. Angle, Bennoit or Edge would get the honour.

HHH (Wc) vs Kane (Ic) - WINNER TAKES ALL: Kane telling his side of the story was just terrible. This whole Kane killed Katie Vick storyline was terrible and really ruined what could've been a much better feud. HHH walks away with the belt. Possible rematch next month. Sucks that the Intercontinental belt is going away, but this supports the US Championship belt returning theory.

RVD vs Ric Flair - Seeing how Ric cost RVD last month's pay per view mathc, RVD should win but then again Flair beat Jericho at SummerSlam.

Jericho / Christian (c) vs Booket T / Goldust WORLD TAG TITLES - Tough call since the Canucks just won the titles but evidently Christian has some backstage heat (i.e. Un-Americans done) but not as much as Test has. And also Booker T and Goldust lost at SummerSlam for the chance to wear the gold. I would like The King of the World and his buddy to keep the gold.

Edge / Rey Mysterio Jr. vs Angle / Bennoit WWE TAG TITLES - Edge and Rey. Angle and Bennoit make an excellent tag team but they should have another match against each other.

Victoria vs Trish (c) WOMEN'S CHAMPIONSHIP - Trish wins, but the feud continues.

Dawn Marie vs Torrie - Torrie. It's that simple

Colorado Cajun

10-20-2002, 09:58 PM

Wow that was a damn good ppv imo. Only thing I wish that would've been different was Dawn should've beat Torri. Other than that though it was great

Colorado Cajun

10-20-2002, 10:13 PM

World Tag Team Championship
Christian and Jericho retain

Dawn vs Torri
Torri wins

Rvd vs Flair
Rvd after a monster Five Star Frogsplash

Cruiserweight Championship
Jamie Knoble retains when Nidia helps him

Kane vs HHH
HHH wins after the use of a sledgehammer and Flair's interference. Was one hell of a match that Kane had won

WWE Tag Team Titles
Chris Benoit and Angle win after Edge taps to the ankle lock. A classic tag battle that went back and forth the whole match

Womens Championship
Trish wins and then gets her teeth kicked out by Victoria after

WWE Championship Hell in the Cell
Brock wins after the F5 in what was one hell of a War

Kyle Katarn

10-20-2002, 10:17 PM

Thanks, you rule! The wwe.com writer must have had the night off....:confused:

Colorado Cajun

10-20-2002, 10:29 PM

Yes, yes I do rule :D

Rogue

10-20-2002, 11:56 PM

I was supposed to be there. :( :waa:

slinger

10-21-2002, 03:11 PM

Originally posted by Colorado Cajun

Dawn vs Torri
Torri wins

Don't mean to be an ass but its Torrie with an 'e'.

Kyle Katarn

10-21-2002, 10:34 PM

Originally posted by slinger
Last? C'mon never say never.

When you right, you right! Beware HHH.....cuz I heard on RAW tonight....

"H.B.K. is gonna GETCHA!!!!!"

:applaud: :applaud: :applaud: :applaud:

(I'm such a mark! :D )

slinger

10-28-2002, 09:30 PM

HBK at SS?!!!!

Got my attention!

slinger

10-28-2002, 09:31 PM

HHH - Y2J - Booker T - RVD - Kane - HBK

in the Elimination Chamber for the World Title?

Colorado Cajun

10-28-2002, 09:42 PM

Yeah it's going to be a great match :D

Tardumb

10-28-2002, 09:47 PM

GO HBK!

I hardly ever watch wrestling anymore. But he was the man back when wrestling was really badass...Woo!

Kyle Katarn

10-28-2002, 10:13 PM

SWEEEEEEEEEEEEEEET! The Icon is BACK! :applaud: :applaud: :applaud:

slinger

10-28-2002, 10:14 PM

I pity those who missed the end of RAW. I thought it was unusual for the refs to lift the casket everytime. At the start of the show I thought Kane would be in the casket.

Colorado Cajun

10-28-2002, 10:20 PM

Yeah I honestly didn't expect him to return tonight. I figured they would've milked it up to Survivor Series. Man I am so happy he's back though:D

Kyle Katarn

10-28-2002, 10:25 PM

I need to kick my own ass for not taping that! :( I had a feeling HBK would return.....*smacks self in head*

Wonder if they'll replay it next Mon - probably. Or does anyone know when "Bottom line" comes on? (It's like Velocity, only for Raw - if it even still comes on that is...)

Rogue

10-28-2002, 10:40 PM

I'll send you a tape of it Kyle. ;)

HotBoy

10-29-2002, 09:26 PM

Well, it's official: Big Poppa Pump-Scott Steiner is on his way to the WWE. Will that make things better for WWE, or worse?

Kyle Katarn

11-03-2002, 01:37 PM

I dunno, but I got my HBK shirt Friday! :D :D :D

Colorado Cajun

11-03-2002, 02:16 PM

Originally posted by Kyle Katarn
I dunno, but I got my HBK shirt Friday! :D :D :D
sweet!! I so need one still and my Mattitude shirt because we all know that they made that one for me :D

Kyle Katarn

11-04-2002, 09:34 PM

HBK stalks the game! :applaud:

ROTFLMAO:

Booker T to Kane: It's cool - who the hell would have sex with a corpse for real anyway?

Goldust: * raises hand* ....what???

slinger

11-04-2002, 10:13 PM

The Answer is YES!

Kyle Katarn

11-04-2002, 10:19 PM

I hope JR meant it when he said - "HBK is BACK!!!!!!" :cool:

I mean, between the necrophilia and Testicles, HBK (and Stacy :eek: ) are about the only reasons to get real excited about Raw for me at the moment...

Though Y2J was funny as hell when he shut Christian up!

Colorado Cajun

11-04-2002, 11:00 PM

I'm all about HBK!!! Booker lol, Christian and the King of the World, Hurricane, Test, and RVD

Rogue

11-04-2002, 11:03 PM

You forgot my favorite. ;)

Kyle Katarn

11-05-2002, 06:23 PM

Originally posted by Rogue
You forgot my favorite. ;)

The Hollywood People's Champ! :mad: ;) :p

...or is it the Game now?

Rogue

11-05-2002, 06:27 PM

The former, not the latter. ;) HHH gets on my nerves now, even though he is really hot!

Kyle Katarn

11-05-2002, 06:57 PM

I sorta miss him - ;) - I still use the phrase "just bring it, Jabroni" almost daily! :D

Colorado Cajun

11-05-2002, 11:48 PM

and I always tell people to know their role ;)

kryptonian_boy

11-08-2002, 05:17 PM

The Rock was okay, but to be honest, I never wanted to smell what he was cookin'!

Rogue

11-08-2002, 09:36 PM

Mmm...the Rock! But if I had to pick someone..I'd say Hurricane because he's so adorable! ;)

kryptonian_boy

11-09-2002, 02:58 PM

Okay, but would he be as adorable without the mask?:p

Rogue

11-09-2002, 03:24 PM

Yes, even more so.

kryptonian_boy

11-09-2002, 03:32 PM

How can you be sure? He always wears the mask.:p

MysteryStar

11-10-2002, 10:17 AM

he didn't always wear the mask :) It's not hard to find pictures of him without it either

Rogue

11-10-2002, 03:05 PM

So true, and he's adorable. :p

Halofan1

11-10-2002, 09:37 PM

He likes Green Lantern. He's already cool with me.

kryptonian_boy

11-11-2002, 12:58 PM

I admit, he is pretty good. I just wish they would let him use the Vertabreaker, like he did in WCW. That was one of the greatest finishing moves in the business!
And, I wish they would push Booker T as a singles wrestler. He deserves some shots at the world title.

Kyle Katarn

11-12-2002, 06:18 PM

With that in mind, what are your thoughts on the winner of Survivor Series? My 2 cents for the moment..

I notice that Y2J is getting promoted a bit lately...Desire video (with brand new (and kick-ass) entrance music to boot...but then again so was Taker before he faced Brock in the Hell in a Cell last time, so I guess that proves nothing. I hope it is Jericho, as he is very entertaining.

HBK...It would be, as the Boomer Sooner said, a storybook finish. I think there is a strong possibilty that he may do it. I doubt seriously that he would keep the strap long, but if they put it on Hogan, I see no reason they wouldn't let HBK have one last moment in the sun.

Booker T: From what I read at WWE.com, he seems to have a rep for being a dependable worker. He has a fued with HHH that is starting to pick up. He was "the man" when WCW invaded the WWF. Call it instinct - for some reason, I'd put my money on him to walk away with the title this Sunday.

Or, WWE could listen to all the Testicles and book Test a win at the last minute! :p ;)

slinger

11-13-2002, 02:21 PM

Do you think HHH will finally put somebody over that deserves it? That will help their carreer?

He's lost to Angle, Hogan and HBK. He beat Angle the next night on RAW to earn his shot back so that's kinda of a wash. Then Hogan and HBK.

Y2J twice. RVD. Kane. Guys who need the win, the belt. He lost to Taker as well, but once again it doesn't matter what happens to him.

I see HBK winning the belt. Then a triple threat for the next PPV.
HBK - HHH - Y2J.

Malice

11-13-2002, 02:53 PM

Where is rock boy?

Ric Flair

11-13-2002, 03:09 PM

*gasp* Malice returns to the successful WWF thread the HE of all people created...not slinger, not Frizzo, Rogue, CC, or that awesome "Kyle" guy....oh, I love the irony! :D

As for Rocky, he's more "Hollywood" than Hollywood Hulk Hogan. More money, less bumps. Though look for him to show up and win the strap at a PPV or 2, then lose it at the next one...:p

Malice

11-13-2002, 03:15 PM

I didnt think my joke thread of the WWF would catch on...hehe

Ric Flair

11-13-2002, 03:25 PM

Lol..it might not have if not for us diehard rasslin' fans! :p Good greif - 17 pages! Seems small compared to some threads *cough* what's on your mind *cough* but still this thread is a pretty big one....

Wait...did I just say "big one?"

Originally posted by Kyle Katarn
It's supposed to be dumb - that's what makes it FUNNY!

Like Stephanie setting herself up by saying "You know, Jericho, you will never win the big one!" So Jericho can shoot back "Well Steph, if anyone knows about "big ones" it would be you!" :D :D :D :D :D

"Have a nice day!" :)

Hehehe...."big ones!" :shock: Ahh, good times!

MysteryStar

11-14-2002, 01:00 PM

as soon as hbk said he was in it I know that they are going to let hbk win, I think Vince feels hbk = ratings so he will win the belt

slinger

11-14-2002, 09:26 PM

6 Man Elimination Chamber Match for the WC
HHH - Y2J - HBK - RVD - Booker T - Kane

I'm going to say HBK. If Hogan can comeback and win it from HHH, why not HBK. The question is will it come down to HBK and HHH? Probably. If HBK pins Booker T it won't be the best ending for Booker. Maybe Y2J could job. They could have a feud afterwords like I mentioned before, a triple threat for next month.

WWE Championship
Lesner - Show

Brock Lesner. Seeing how Vince didn't want Hogan to defeat Lesner, I don't see Lesner giving up the belt. IT should be a great match if both guys bring their A games. Battle of the giants.

Hardcore Rules Women's Champ
Trish - Victoria

Trish will pull of a win, but a rematch will have Victoria win.

Triple Threat Tag Team Match
Rey/Edge - Eddie/Chavo - Bennoit/Angle

Rey and Edge will still be the champs. If the chamber match sucks, this should be the match of the night. Great to see Smackdown offers a six man match that is worthy.

Tag Team Table Match
Dudleys/Jeff - 3 Minute Warning/Rico

3 Minute warning shall win. The last table PPV match was great, This one should do well as well. Hopefully Rico can move more into singles after this.

Cruiserweight Champ
Noble - Kidman

Kidman. Noble has held the belt for a long, long time.

Tag Team Match
Hurricane/Goldust - Storm/Regal

Well two teams that need a win. Well the newly formed Hurrican/Dust team need the win more, but I see Regal and Storm pulling out with the win.

Well SS 2002 looks like to be a great PPV. Possibly rivalling WM X-8 or Summerslam. Some matches needed more buildup, there should've been another heel in the Elimation chamber and shouldn't have just focused on HBK/HHH. HHH says he'll win, Y2J will do anything to win, HBK wants HHH to lose and maybe win the belt, Booker T just wants HHH to lose. What about RVD or Kane? Nothing from them. Chrisitan and Ric Flair wasted.

slinger

11-14-2002, 09:28 PM

It would be great to see Bret Hart make an appearence at the end, seeing how its the 5th Anniversary of his famous exit. But he had a stroke and I don't think the relationship is that great. Its made improvements, but I think that would be the ultimate shocker.

slinger

11-14-2002, 09:40 PM

With WWE Anthology being released this week, I was wondering what everybody's favourite themes were?

Just some:

HBK's
HHH's
Mr.Perfect's
Vince's
Chris Bennoit's
RVD's
Edge's
RAW's

2dman27

11-15-2002, 12:26 PM

Originally posted by slinger
With WWE Anthology being released this week, I was wondering what everybody's favourite themes were?

Just some:

HBK's
HHH's
Mr.Perfect's
Vince's
Chris Bennoit's
RVD's
Edge's
RAW's i'm partial to the hurricanes theme and thats wassup with that

Colorado Cajun

11-15-2002, 09:36 PM

Originally posted by slinger
With WWE Anthology being released this week, I was wondering what everybody's favourite themes were?

Just some:

HBK's
HHH's
Mr.Perfect's
Vince's
Chris Bennoit's
RVD's
Edge's
RAW's
DX
Fist DX and Mike Tyson
Man's Man William Regal because it just cracks me up
The Brood
HBK
Bret Hart

to name just a few

Kyle Katarn

11-16-2002, 08:24 PM

I'm having my cousin make me a tape of my faves to listen to in my car...including

Fight
You Think You Know Me (Edge 1st)
The Game (HHH remix - "The Game"-esque lyrics to the tune of "My Time"
Rey Mysterio
Ultimate Warrior
Brood

MysteryStar

11-16-2002, 10:21 PM

Originally posted by Colorado Cajun
DX
Fist DX and Mike Tyson
Man's Man William Regal because it just cracks me up
The Brood
HBK
Bret Hart

to name just a few

this from the man who said to me not to long ago he never really liked bret...lol, but what does it matter his music was cool!....

Colorado Cajun

11-16-2002, 10:26 PM

I don't like Bret, but his song is fresh

Kyle Katarn

11-17-2002, 09:07 PM

10:07.....HBK is back - and he has ring attire! :D

Rogue

11-17-2002, 09:18 PM

One word..Steiner! :applaud: On a side note, am I the only one that thinks Victoria is a psycho? :o

Kyle Katarn

11-17-2002, 09:22 PM

Van Dam is hurt! :(

Best moment so far...D-VON - get the TABLES!!!! :eek:

What kind of design does HBK have on his tights? :confused:

slinger

11-17-2002, 09:53 PM

Looks like we have a new champion......

Rogue

11-17-2002, 09:55 PM

*prepares to call 911 in case Kyle hurt himself* Wow..HBK..

Kyle Katarn

11-17-2002, 09:56 PM

Almost flipped backwards in my chair is all! :D
HBK returns! :applaud: :applaud: :applaud:

Colorado Cajun

11-17-2002, 09:58 PM

Oh man I did the HBK shake and my friend thought I was psycho lol. *egins to strut with Kyle!!*

Rogue

11-17-2002, 10:00 PM

*hides from you two* ;) I'm glad HBK came out on top though, I was hoping he would.

slinger

11-17-2002, 10:00 PM

Rewatching the last ten minutes now, Jericho just got eliminated. It was close, I mean HHH could've won the belt so many times but it was great to see HBK win!

And the Elimination Chamber, whoa the future of PPVs. And possibly end carreers faster than a Hell in a Cell. It was a great match even with the early absence of RVD. Jericho and HBK going through the chambers, rough times. HBK feel on his back countless times. RAW should be a must see tomorrow.

Big Show! Lesner is out for six weeks due to his injury so it wasn't really a suprise to see him lose. I thought Steiner would get involved but Heyman is the better choice. Great match too. And the F-5 was something else.

The Triple Threat tag match didn't live up to the hype, but was still good.

D-Von that was a great unexpected return. Probably will be part of the Big Show trade.

Shawn's climbing the top of the chamber now...

The other matches were great as well. WWE didn't disappoint.

Colorado Cajun

11-17-2002, 10:03 PM

all I can say is Show better drop that strap soon because he blows like Moby Dick

Rogue

11-17-2002, 10:05 PM

I'm sticking to my original decision..Trish was robbed!! I can't stand Victoria, she's a freakin psycho!! :mad:

Kyle Katarn

11-17-2002, 10:08 PM

I'm probably gonna do HBK's in-the-ring dance when I go into work tomorrow!

Victoria is eeeevil - that was a killer match too! I somehow saw Heyman turning on Brock...

Rogue

11-17-2002, 10:10 PM

Victoria is evil, I tell ya! She's nuts. Poor Trish!

Kyle Katarn

11-17-2002, 10:16 PM

But Victoria left with a bloody nose! ;)

Rogue

11-17-2002, 10:18 PM

She deserved more than a bloody nose! :mad:

Colorado Cajun

11-17-2002, 10:21 PM

I like Victoria but she needs acting lessons from Dawn lol

Rogue

11-17-2002, 10:39 PM

*Hmmph!* Dawn..pffft. :rolleyes: :p

MysteryStar

11-18-2002, 07:48 AM

Originally posted by Colorado Cajun
I like Victoria but she needs acting lessons from Dawn lol

Dawn? Dawn can't act, hell none of the Diva's can act.

Hell you would make a better Diva if you stuck a wig on, acting wise :)

Colorado Cajun

11-18-2002, 12:17 PM

Originally posted by MysteryStar
Dawn? Dawn can't act, hell none of the Diva's can act.

Hell you would make a better Diva if you stuck a wig on, acting wise :) Hey Kyle will you Ric Flair chop her for me?

Kyle Katarn

11-18-2002, 06:13 PM

Originally posted by Colorado Cajun
Hey Kyle will you Ric Flair chop her for me?

*unsure of who he's supposed to chop, Kyle goes off on a chopping spree!*

*chop* WOOO! *CH-op* WOOOOO! *chOP* WOOOOOO!

*chop...chop...CHOP! strut.....* WOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!

Big Booty Daddy in the house huh? I dunno much about him but I know his rep - and with that in mind, Raw is the only place I see him - if for no other reason, because it's cable as opposed to network!

Well Brock is no longer unbeaten. I dunno, I really beleive that Angle was the only one that "deserved" to beat him - because Angle is probably a better "real" wrestler than Brock. (Well, according to Kurt that is!) I look forward to seeing them lock up...

...I still wanna know what that design on HBK's tights was! Almost looked like a cross between the classic "broken heart" and....a stained glass window? Maaaaybe it's time I cleaned the ol' contact lenses!

slinger

11-18-2002, 06:26 PM

Originally posted by Kyle Katarn
*unsure of who he's supposed to chop, Kyle goes off on a chopping spree!*

*chop* WOOO! *CH-op* WOOOOO! *chOP* WOOOOOO!

*chop...chop...CHOP! strut.....* WOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!

Big Booty Daddy in the house huh? I dunno much about him but I know his rep - and with that in mind, Raw is the only place I see him - if for no other reason, because it's cable as opposed to network!

Well Brock is no longer unbeaten. I dunno, I really beleive that Angle was the only one that "deserved" to beat him - because Angle is probably a better "real" wrestler than Brock. (Well, according to Kurt that is!) I look forward to seeing them lock up...

...I still wanna know what that design on HBK's tights was! Almost looked like a cross between the classic "broken heart" and....a stained glass window? Maaaaybe it's time I cleaned the ol' contact lenses!

Big Show had to win since Lesner is taking six weeks off due to his injury. That match was the shortest of them all. Still, do you think it would help Angle's carreer more by having him defeat Lesner or the Big Show's? I can see a rematch at the Royal Rumble where Lesner wins, and Angle wins the Rumble.

I'm thinking Y2J will become the No.1 Contender tonight. HHH and RVD are questionable to appear tonight. Plus Y2J and HBK were very entertaining last night, and Y2J eliminated two wrestlers last night when Kane easily could've pinned Booker.

Kyle Katarn

11-18-2002, 06:40 PM

So Brock really is hurt? I don't watch SmackDown much...

I dunno about HHH, but I really think RVD hurt his knee pretty badly from that splash!

HBK/Y2J could make a great fued, I agree! I loved it when Jericho was working over HBK to get some juice! :D ("Come on Shawn! BLEED, you sob!")

slinger

11-18-2002, 07:38 PM

Originally posted by Kyle Katarn
So Brock really is hurt? I don't watch SmackDown much...

I dunno about HHH, but I really think RVD hurt his knee pretty badly from that splash!

HBK/Y2J could make a great fued, I agree! I loved it when Jericho was working over HBK to get some juice! :D ("Come on Shawn! BLEED, you sob!")

HHH spent the night in the hospital, due to the splash. RVD's knee hit H's neck. He was released this afternoon from the hospital. He had trouble breathing and talking last night.

I don't watch SD! at all either, but that's the word on the net. Brock injured himself during the houseshow.

MysteryStar

11-19-2002, 06:23 AM

brock didn't injure himself, the big show injured him at a house show, thus you had brock work stiff on show last smackdown, and opened a huge hole in shows arm

I didn't and don't watch raw but from what I read Jericho should have won that match

HotBoy

11-19-2002, 08:26 AM

Well, here's the lowdown on that: Christian ran to the ring, and hit Booker T in the back with a chair, however, Booker T kicked out.

The battle continued inside the ring, which resulted in Booker T getting thrown to the outside. Meanwhile, Christian was still outside on the ramp, when Big Poppa Pump ran down to the ring.

Big Poppa Pump gorilla pressed Christian(ala Ultimate Warrior style), and double-armed suplexed Jericho. RVD, who was laid out
by a bulldog on the outside, climed up to the top rope, and gave Jericho the 5-Star Frog Splash, and got the 1-2-3. Next week, it will be RVD vs. HBK, for the World Heavyweight Title.

Kyle Katarn

11-26-2002, 10:09 PM

Raw thoughs....

-Well, HBK's wardrobe is getting better! Cool kneepads....and I was overjoyed at seeing the boots for 2 reasons: 1: They're the type he always used to wear and 2: If he shelled out the dough for a snazzy pair of wrestling boots like that, he is in for the long haul!

-And the HBK/RVD backstage confrontation - as Farrooq would say..."DAYUM!" :D

-Jericho gets more entertaining each week...."Let's give the ladies of Charleston a dose of Vitamin C! You think it's FUNNY you assclown?! You're just jealous cause YOU don't have this body!"

-A cold chill went down my spine as HHH stood over HBK...for a sec, I though he would pick him up and they would hug (HBK would turn heel!) :eek:

-But I guess not - so a question to all the harcore smarts here: How, as the Rock would say - in the blue hell does HBK take those insane backbreakers on the chairs?! :shock: Unless the chairs are rigged, it looks like that would give ANYONE injured vertebrae!
--Surely SOMEONE here has actually been in an actual ring...maybe? I was wondering how much "give" they really have!

Finally, something else for the "How bad have YOU got it?"
-I was in the stockroom tonight. With me were seveal emplyees, including a BEAUTIFUL girl (with an almost Stacy-esque booty :D ) who was adjusting her underwear! :applaud: So where am I?

In the corner, chin in my hands, looking up at the second story (where we keep store supplies), using our 6 foot tall assitant manager as a giude to gauge how high up it was, and wondering if the 16-packs of Charmin TP we just got in would cushion me if I attempted a flying elbow from up there! :grin:

Kyle Katarn

11-27-2002, 07:34 AM

Hmmm...so who did WWE Anthology miss?

-Jerry Lawler - as he pointed out on Raw! "Brother Love is on there, but I couldn't find mine!" :mad:
-Ric Flair, as I mentioned before
-Booker T?
-William Regal..."Man's Man" is funny, but I was hoping for the zippy trumpet theme! :D
-How 'bout my cult hero Steven Richards! And Crash!

slinger

11-27-2002, 08:33 PM

Originally posted by Kyle Katarn
Hmmm...so who did WWE Anthology miss?

-Jerry Lawler - as he pointed out on Raw! "Brother Love is on there, but I couldn't find mine!" :mad:
-Ric Flair, as I mentioned before
-Booker T?
-William Regal..."Man's Man" is funny, but I was hoping for the zippy trumpet theme! :D
-How 'bout my cult hero Steven Richards! And Crash!

I think bc Ric and Booker T were WCW guys more than WWE. I know they own both, but maybe WWE has future plans for WCW. Maybe Jerry will quit in protest again.

slinger

12-03-2002, 02:33 PM

So who does RVD wrestle now? Ric again?

I can see some sort of Fatal Four Way Elimation Tag Match.

Jericho/Christian vs Booker T/Goldust vs 3 Minute Warning vs The Dudleys.

Kyle Katarn

12-03-2002, 09:51 PM

Hmm....how about a 3-way dance for the title? Since HBK was using some "biased" officiating....And HHH did use a chair to win.

LMAO...Jerry "The Ring" Lawler! "That idiot Al Roker!" :funny:

Kyle Katarn

12-08-2002, 01:27 PM

The following images are from highspots.com - a site that sells wrestling gear. I was checking out their "custom gear gallery" of custom ring attire they have made for people...

http://www.highspots.com/gallery/tights_ts52_t.jpg http://www.highspots.com/gallery/tights_t_hbk_red.jpg http://www.highspots.com/gallery/tights_t_hbk_turquoise_wet.jpg

And a new addition to their usual stock! :applaud:
http://www.highspots.com/www/stores_app/images/images_125/item_gear_chaps_hbk.jpg

I priced a basic outfit (long trunks, boots(!), knee pads, elbow pads, and top) for myself...$397.00 :eek: :eek: :eek: Guess I'd have to be less modest and go for short trunks with no top!

Looks like if I ever pursue this, I'll have to borrow some Foley tricks - live in my car and survive on buy-one-get-one-free jars of peanut butter! :D

2dman27

12-08-2002, 02:50 PM

i wonder what your wwe dream match would be knowing it'll NEVER HAPPEN mine i guess would be molly vs lilian garcia[yes i KNOW ms. garcia isn't a trained wrestler]

Kyle Katarn

12-08-2002, 02:54 PM

How about re-doing HBK/RVD for the title as a ladder match...and set the clock back 6 years so Shawn would still be in his prime! :(

Colorado Cajun

12-08-2002, 10:21 PM

Originally posted by Kyle Katarn
The following images are from highspots.com - a site that sells wrestling gear. I was checking out their "custom gear gallery" of custom ring attire they have made for people...

http://www.highspots.com/gallery/tights_ts52_t.jpg http://www.highspots.com/gallery/tights_t_hbk_red.jpg http://www.highspots.com/gallery/tights_t_hbk_turquoise_wet.jpg

And a new addition to their usual stock! :applaud:
http://www.highspots.com/www/stores_app/images/images_125/item_gear_chaps_hbk.jpg

I priced a basic outfit (long trunks, boots(!), knee pads, elbow pads, and top) for myself...$397.00 :eek: :eek: :eek: Guess I'd have to be less modest and go for short trunks with no top!

Looks like if I ever pursue this, I'll have to borrow some Foley tricks - live in my car and survive on buy-one-get-one-free jars of peanut butter! :D Just do it Hardy style to start and then get some simple gear lol

Kyle Katarn

12-08-2002, 10:24 PM

*light bulb goes on over head* Booo-yah! :D

I'm goin' Hardy Style at Halloween next year at work....besides the ABA...or the APA for that matter - it's the only way I could do it and not get fired!

They complained that I wasn't a wrestler last time! I offered to strip to my breifs and buy a pair of boots, but one coworker said "We don't wanna see you half naked!" :( :waa: :D

slinger

12-09-2002, 10:27 PM

Well people hem and hawed about HHH/HBK for the belt, but now after Eric fine tuned the match I can't wait.

FALL ONE: Street Fight FALL TWO: Cage Match FALL THREE: Ladder Match

Of course it will go to the ladder match. But its questionable if HBK or HHH will win two matches. The way RAW ended and the way all three matches favour HBK I don't know.

And the Tag Titles Match looks to be great, I was almost right. Kane and Batista should've had some sort of match. I thought RVD would become Booker's partner, but its good to see Goldy and Booker.

The Show/Angle match should get some sort of stipulaton.

Paul Heyman's interview on OTR is tomorrow where he'll talk about pretty much everything. I'm going to have to tape it, since I'll be at work.

Colorado Cajun

12-09-2002, 10:40 PM

Am I the only one who feels some sort of swerve coming with HBK/HHH? For some reason I feel heel turn coming from HBK

slinger

12-10-2002, 09:52 PM

Originally posted by Colorado Cajun
Am I the only one who feels some sort of swerve coming with HBK/HHH? For some reason I feel heel turn coming from HBK

No I don't think so, since he's so close to becoming huge. He would have to do something really drastic like a Vandaminator on JR.

Huge Hogan News (http://www.tsn.ca/wrestling/news_story.asp?ID=17058&hubName=wrestling)

Also click to link to watch the very interesting Paul Heyman interview. They should make a clone of him and have him be the lead writer on RAW.

Kyle Katarn

12-11-2002, 08:44 AM

Dang! The Raw finale was the type of thing that inspires a "Holy s***!!!!" chant! Though HBK did look pretty funny talking smack while covered head to toe in shredded paper! :funny:

Heel turn? Nooooooooo! :( I hope not anyway!

Colorado Cajun

12-11-2002, 07:38 PM

Reason I see a heel turn is after he beats HHH again which hopefully he does, who is left? RVD, Booker, and Jericho. You'd think RVD would get the nod, but face vs face feuds don't work that often

slinger

12-11-2002, 08:59 PM

Originally posted by Colorado Cajun
Reason I see a heel turn is after he beats HHH again which hopefully he does, who is left? RVD, Booker, and Jericho. You'd think RVD would get the nod, but face vs face feuds don't work that often

Triple Threat at Royal Rumble. HBK, Y2J, RVD. RVD pins Y2J wins the title. HBK enters the Royal Rumble at no.30.

RVD as a heel I would like to see if he was champ.

MysteryStar

12-12-2002, 07:43 AM

RVD couldn't make it as a heel. Heel's have to get over using mic work and RVD has none, plus as a heel RVD would have to get ride of all his moves that made the fans pop, and if you get ride of those spots RVD, well, doesn;t know any other moves to wrestle with...

Colorado Cajun

12-12-2002, 11:38 AM

plus he's way to laid back to be a heel and the fans love him too much. I want to see him and the King of the World feud over the Championship though. Toss Christian in here and there and you'd have a classic feud

MysteryStar

12-12-2002, 11:51 AM

yeah that would be a pretty good feud, Jericho/RVD/Christian, all three men can pull off some good matches/spots, we all know Christian can take a beating, but sadly Christian and Jericho would leave RVD behind in the mic department...

that would be a hot feud, even if they tossed in Booker T, they should have those 4 going after the RAW belt

slinger

12-12-2002, 06:33 PM

Originally posted by Colorado Cajun
plus he's way to laid back to be a heel and the fans love him too much. I want to see him and the King of the World feud over the Championship though. Toss Christian in here and there and you'd have a classic feud

Yeah I got confused with RVD/HBK back there.

slinger

12-15-2002, 01:20 PM

Perdictions

HHH/HBK: Tough call. HHH wins fall one, HBK fall two, HHH wins fall three. I would like to see it only go to two falls and then have the ladder matcha rematch the next night on RAW. It is the 500th RAW so some match should cap off the night.

Show/Angle: Show wins, since Lesner screws Angle. Lesner/Show at RR, Angle wins RR.

Tag Title Match: Booker T and Goldy. Their time.

Benoit/Eddie: Benoit.

Women's Champ: Victoria retains, Jazz returns

A-Train/Edge: A-Train via screwjob

Kane/Batista: Batista via help from Ric

Torrie/Marie Footage: No nudity, still sexy something is up

Steiner shows up, will sign tomorrow

Oh just thought of something. Steiner is about to sign when Step interupts and introduces her free agent she signed: Austin

Kyle Katarn

12-15-2002, 08:33 PM

LMAO - Royal Rumble commercial! :D

HBK in his CLASSIC GEAR! :applaud: :applaud:

Man I wish Cena would shut UP! :eek:

Bisch don't have exclusive HLA rights no more - Dayum! :shock:

Colorado Cajun

12-15-2002, 09:56 PM

What're you talking about Cena is the man slappy!!

Is anyone else tired of HHH always being champ? i mean crap he's like the Rock now

Rogue

12-15-2002, 10:06 PM

*gives CC the look* Watch it! ;)

I didn't watch, will someone give me a run down of what happened? Please?

Kyle Katarn

12-15-2002, 10:07 PM

Better timing = less edits!

HHH is like the Rock, Cajun? All the better for HBK to whip his ass good tomorrow night my dear!

*CC gives Kyle a funny look....*

Kyle: Nah, you know what I mean! *walks off screen then comes back on and does Goldust's "hissing" routine! :eek:

Cajun: ....:eek:

Colorado Cajun

12-15-2002, 10:11 PM

CC: Oh hell yeah. Now HBK and RVD will run wild on his punk ass.

*CC then walks away and then gets right in Kyle's face*

CC: Now can you dig that? SUCKAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!

Colorado Cajun

12-15-2002, 10:14 PM

Let's see
Booker and Goldie are new tag champs
Batista beat Kane with Flair's help of course
Albert got a dq and then Edge beat the hell out of him with a chair
Benoit beat Eddie :mad:
Victoria won
Kurt with help from Brock is new SD Champ:D
Cena did a sweet rap lol
HHH beat HBK

Kyle Katarn

12-15-2002, 10:21 PM

I'll admit I laughed out loud at JR after the rap! "..."bling-bling - or whatever THAT is!" :funny:

Rogue

12-15-2002, 10:24 PM

Ahh thanks, sounds like I missed quite a show. I was having fun though so it was worth it. ;)

Kyle Katarn

12-15-2002, 10:47 PM

No! Nothing is "worth" missing the Icon!!!! :mad: :p

Rogue

12-15-2002, 10:49 PM

Hey, I was having some much needed fun here. Don't start on me! :mad: :nono: ;)

Kyle Katarn

12-15-2002, 10:56 PM

*whines* But the Showstoppa was baaaaack! :( ;)

In ALL his classic gear minus the kick-ass wrist gaurds! :confused:

And dont forget the HLA between Dawn and Torrie.....er...n/m! :p

Rogue

12-15-2002, 11:04 PM

Oh for goodness sake, stop your whining or I'll have to hurt you. ;):p

Kyle Katarn

12-15-2002, 11:08 PM

*throws tantrum, Christian-style! :mad: :waa: :mad: *

:D

Rogue

12-15-2002, 11:11 PM

*grabs a chair and goes after Kyle*

I warned you, didn't I? ;)

Kyle Katarn

12-15-2002, 11:26 PM

*cut to commercial break*

http://superherohype.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=31816

Ok, so I'm loading the ballot box in my favor! :D

JustinCredible

12-17-2002, 07:20 PM

Originally posted by Kyle Katarn
Hmmm...so who did WWE Anthology miss?

-Jerry Lawler - as he pointed out on Raw! "Brother Love is on there, but I couldn't find mine!" :mad:
-Ric Flair, as I mentioned before

Ric Flair's and Jerry Lawler's themes are classical songs that are used with premission on the show... maybe the permission wasn't given to put it on the CD.

Originally posted by slinger
No I don't think so, since he's so close to becoming huge. He would have to do something really drastic like a Vandaminator on JR.

Huge Hogan News (http://www.tsn.ca/wrestling/news_story.asp?ID=17058&hubName=wrestling)

Also click to link to watch the very interesting Paul Heyman interview. They should make a clone of him and have him be the lead writer on RAW.

Where are you? HBK is already over... this whole feud is pointless... neither HHH nor HBK need to be over, but they still oversaturate RAW with them... people make new stars that what RAW needs.

Colorado Cajun

12-18-2002, 02:15 AM

Originally posted by JustinCredible

Where are you? HBK is already over... this whole feud is pointless... neither HHH nor HBK need to be over, but they still oversaturate RAW with them... people make new stars that what RAW needs.

They need the person who sells the merch and makes people tune in every week. HBK is that person, just like how Stone Cold was, The Rock is, and Edge could be if used better. They have all their stars, they just need to use them better

Kyle Katarn

12-18-2002, 07:31 AM

Originally posted by Colorado Cajun
They need the person who sells the merch and makes people tune in every week. HBK is that person,

You got that right! I'd been watching WWF/E for a good while now....but I had never CONSIDERED shelling out the coin for a PPV....until SummerSlam 2002! Which I bought exclusively for the HBK/HHH street fight! Then I bought the new HBK shirt....Survivor Series....Armageddon....I REFUSE to miss Raw now...

I dunno - he's like my hero or something! I see him have some spectacular matches - and everyone I know says that that is NOTHING compared to what he was! I think that's part of the appeal - to see him prove that he is more than the "Has Been Kid!" I was chanting along with the crowd on TV when he dropped the elbow from the semi! :eek:

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.....ok, so I would have bought Royal Rumble for old times sake (Ric vs Vince) but my cable was not digital, so no PPV..... :p :D

JustinCredible

12-18-2002, 09:37 AM

Originally posted by Colorado Cajun
They need the person who sells the merch and makes people tune in every week. HBK is that person, just like how Stone Cold was, The Rock is, and Edge could be if used better. They have all their stars, they just need to use them better

Yeah like quick-fixes like the NWO... oh wait that didn't turn out... or Hulk Hogan's face run... Oh wait that didn't turn out. HBK is NOT that person.. why? His better days are far behind him... You know how Stone Cold became that person? They made him into a star when they needed one... Rock, same thing... Yeah Edge could also, but only if they take the time to make him into a star. Now on RAW all we have is HHH, His friend HBK (who suddenly gets a title reign) and a whole bunch of jobbers and lets not forget about Big Poppa Dump (who all of his matches have been complete garbage... after a couple of moves he blows up like the Ultimate Warrior)

They need to use their 'stars' better, but thats only if the writing staff does their job... like Heyman is on Smackdown. RAW doesn't need BIG stars to make people tune in each week... they need good wrestling, good storylines and less HHH 20min segments... Smackdown is getting the job done. Why? Wrestling comes first... Benoit, Angle and Eddie...

Originally posted by Kyle Katarn
You got that right! I'd been watching WWF/E for a good while now....but I had never CONSIDERED shelling out the coin for a PPV....until SummerSlam 2002! Which I bought exclusively for the HBK/HHH street fight! Then I bought the new HBK shirt....Survivor Series....Armageddon....I REFUSE to miss Raw now...

I dunno - he's like my hero or something! I see him have some spectacular matches - and everyone I know says that that is NOTHING compared to what he was! I think that's part of the appeal - to see him prove that he is more than the "Has Been Kid!" I was chanting along with the crowd on TV when he dropped the elbow from the semi! :eek:

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.....ok, so I would have bought Royal Rumble for old times sake (Ric vs Vince) but my cable was not digital, so no PPV..... :p :D

Can you say HBK Mark... He is the 'Has Been Kid' all of his better days are behind him... when he was champ he played a Nash and whould.. sorry... couldn't handle the increased workrate and didn't appear at Houseshows... Also he didn't draw for RAW (except that his second return from injury before Surivior Series)... when he came out as champion... ratings went down... If he's going to do something with his few matches left in his days in the WWE... get someone over... do your job. Jobb to Jericho, job to anyone you can... and thats the best he can do... but what I am thinking this is Shawn Michaels... if he's told to job he might just 'lose his smile' before the match.

Kyle Katarn

12-19-2002, 03:55 PM

Originally posted by JustinCredible
Smackdown is getting the job done. Why? Wrestling comes first...

Smackdown is good, but not perfect....I notice you said nothing of the H.L.A. between Dawn and Torie....:p

Originally posted by JustinCredible
Can you say HBK Mark...

Yes! :D

JustinCredible

12-20-2002, 10:04 AM

Originally posted by Kyle Katarn
Smackdown is good, but not perfect....I notice you said nothing of the H.L.A. between Dawn and Torie....:p
Yes! :D

Smackdown isn't perfect... Raw is complete and utter garbage... Smackdown emphasizes wrestling... Raw emphasizes 'Sports entertainment'. I guess the argument between the two have finally been aswered. Smackdown with Angle, Benoit, Eddie, Edge (Sometimes), Brock provide interesting matches and fresh situations... hell Heyman booked Big Show well for the first time in career since he was the giant in WCW. Higher ratings, made Matt Hardy into a excellent on-screen character.

H.L.A. is just an extended commercial break, thats all...

Raw? Steiner blows up in the ring, HHH seems to only work hard when his friend is in the ring... and when he loses he HAS to get his heat back... Always. RVD seemed to have been punished for Surivivor Series for the 5-star situation and he's been burried along with Jericho, Booker and Kane... whereas the only people that have been pushed is Cripple H (he's injuried again), HBK (who remains to see if he can have a good match without a gimick and job to Jericho... remember he has a history of not liking to job), and Steiner who droped an f-bomb in his debut and has blown up worse then the ultimate warrior in his matches... HBK, HHH and Steiner are short-term solutuions... they should focus on making stars out of those that have been buired and those they have in OVW (not go digging into the barrell for those past their prime).

Anyways didn't Shawn Michaels say that HBK is dead, but he still goes around dancing (stupidly I add), wearing the old HBK clothes and even coming out on the Titantron with the words HBK... sure.

Kyle Katarn

12-20-2002, 10:34 AM

I was a bit underwhelmed with Steiner....I never saw him in WCW, so my first impression is "walking steroid repository with a reputation to be seriously prone to injury."

I feel that religion and family life have changed Shawn for the better, at least if he is being honest in his interviews I have read, and I truly think he is. And he did say that HBK was dead....I guess the purpose of Flair and HHH mocking him the Monday before the PPV was to goad him into bringing "The Showstoppa" back. I've thought that maybe what he's done since SummerSlam has been like a "test run" to see just what his body can withstand since his injury. And apparently it can withstand a lot!

I, alas, never really got to see Shawn in his prime, I just had the legend of his exploits to go on. So from a new fan perspective, he puts on a great show, IMO. But I try to imagine what would happen, say if RVD broke his back and made a mini-comeback 4 years later. So I guess I can see where the "has been kid" attitude comes from, from you and several others. To me, he can deliver an exciting match, so that's enough for me.

But besides HBK, Raw has some other stuff going for it IMO...

Jericho and Christian.....these guys get more entertaining each week!

Mr. Monday Night, RVD! Though I agree it looks like he's being punished and dropping down the card more and more...

The Women's divison: Come on...you gotta love puppies! Trish vs Victoria is pretty interesting, and they have re-written the book on women's wrestling a time or 2 (remember the hardcore rules title match?) And Steven Richards in the mix too....I dunno, I just like the guy (I think I get a kick out of the fact that my boss has a crush on him! ;) ).

Raven: I want to see more from him, and looks like he may start a fued with Test...who, I gotta admit I cant decide if he has the most clever, or DUMBEST "gimmick" ever...

Jerry Lawler: He gets annoying when he gets wound up sometimes....(especially if he's horny at the same time!) But he's still entertaining in the ring. Especailly when he was fighting Richards to go home with the Ho's! :D

But to borrow pixi's sig, "That's just my opinion." We all enjoy it in different ways.

JustinCredible

12-20-2002, 12:19 PM

Originally posted by Kyle Katarn
I feel that religion and family life have changed Shawn for the better, at least if he is being honest in his interviews I have read, and I truly think he is. And he did say that HBK was dead....I guess the purpose of Flair and HHH mocking him the Monday before the PPV was to goad him into bringing "The Showstoppa" back. I've thought that maybe what he's done since SummerSlam has been like a "test run" to see just what his body can withstand since his injury. And apparently it can withstand a lot!

He's only had one normal match, the rest have been gimick matches... anyways he should just job and make way for new stars rather than taking up tv time to develop new stars. And as for his religion changing him... he participated in that laughable interview about Surivivor Series '97... that was the farthest from the truth.

Originally posted by Kyle Katarn
I, alas, never really got to see Shawn in his prime, I just had the legend of his exploits to go on. So from a new fan perspective, he puts on a great show, IMO. But I try to imagine what would happen, say if RVD broke his back and made a mini-comeback 4 years later. So I guess I can see where the "has been kid" attitude comes from, from you and several others. To me, he can deliver an exciting match, so that's enough for me.

There are DVDs and VHS of him in his 'prime'. As for RVD, I think he would be the one dishing out the injuriy rather than getting one. HBK can delever a spot-fest... but he's only been in the ring with people who are spotmachines... maybe a match with Jericho, Storm or regal might change my mine on his wrestling content.

Originally posted by Kyle Katarn
Jericho and Christian.....these guys get more entertaining each week!

As jobbers. They aren't booked strong, neither is the excellent Regal and Storm... they are 4 of the best wrestlers in RAW and they are all in tag matches... with the exception of Storm... all of them have the ability to put excellent single matches together... like Benoit and Angle are able to on Smackdown.

Originally posted by Kyle Katarn
Mr. Monday Night, RVD! Though I agree it looks like he's being punished and dropping down the card more and more...

He's a spot-fest, but he shouldn't be jobbing like he is... like Paul heyman said ' The most under utilized person on Raw (along with Booker)

Originally posted by Kyle Katarn
The Women's divison: Come on...you gotta love puppies! Trish vs Victoria is pretty interesting, and they have re-written the book on women's wrestling a time or 2 (remember the hardcore rules title match?) And Steven Richards in the mix too....I dunno, I just like the guy (I think I get a kick out of the fact that my boss has a crush on him! ;) ).

Kinda sad when the women's matches are actually better than the main events... thankful WWE realized that Stacy nor Torrie (or Jackie Gayda) isn't what this division needs... I give you points on this! Stevie is basically just Victoria's lacky... and no real angle for him has been developed...

Originally posted by Kyle Katarn
Raven: I want to see more from him, and looks like he may start a fued with Test...who, I gotta admit I cant decide if he has the most clever, or DUMBEST "gimmick" ever...

Hopefully Raven is used... along with the other past ECW guys whom have become jobbers... although Raven should go back to his WCW look!

Originally posted by Kyle Katarn
Jerry Lawler: He gets annoying when he gets wound up sometimes....(especially if he's horny at the same time!) But he's still entertaining in the ring. Especailly when he was fighting Richards to go home with the Ho's! :D

Worst Commentator since Michael Cole... Lawler was mad at Heyman because he actually did a better job then him. Annoying as hell...

slinger

12-21-2002, 09:56 PM

Originally posted by JustinCredible
Where are you? HBK is already over... this whole feud is pointless... neither HHH nor HBK need to be over, but they still oversaturate RAW with them... people make new stars that what RAW needs.

No for some reason I thought he was talking about RVD. RVD is going nowhere as a face. It would be difficult for him to be a heel, but I would think he would have a better chance getting the belt. RAW lacks top heels. Also some other stuff.

For the last three months I've always worked on Thursdays and sometimes would catch some SD! I read the spoilers. I can't work Mondays so I watch some RAW and sometimes Tough Enough III if I haven't seen any of the dozen replays on MTV.

The Royal Rumble situation needs to cleared up. Getting rid of almost every belt I think wasn't the right move. RAW has a chunk of former ECW guys and they unify the belt with the Euro? Then unify the Euro with the Intercontinental? Then unify the Inter with the World Heavy Weight (WCW). A new WWE like belt should've be created instead of the old WCW one. With the belts you've got No.1 Contenders match and possibly build up stories better by having two guys wrestle for a belt.

Brock Lesner seems to be the next one they're building. If they can build Lesner to the point he is now, in less than a year, the WWE can do it for a few others I would think.

Undertaker, Kevin Nash, possibly Hogan, Stone Cold, The Rock, possibly Ken Shamrock are returning in 2003.

RAW lacks a stable and I think Flair will bring one back real soon once Orton returns. nWO and Un-Americans failed. SD! has the Heyman family stable: Angle, Show, A-Train.

The Maven/Chris "Harvard"/Al Snow storyline really has been the only good one on RAW for the past while.

Wasn't Raven banned from RAW and is only on Heat?

I don't think the D-Lo Brown thing will work. Atleast they are trying. I don't see Booker T joining him so....

10th Anniversary of RAW, regardless if you think the show is ****, it will be the thing to watch.

JustinCredible what are your thoughts on Justin Credible?

JustinCredible

12-21-2002, 11:35 PM

Originally posted by slinger
No for some reason I thought he was talking about RVD. RVD is going nowhere as a face. It would be difficult for him to be a heel, but I would think he would have a better chance getting the belt. RAW lacks top heels. Also some other stuff.

RVD isn't going anywhere as a face because as soon as he gets puched up 1 notch... he gets squashed and burried 3X as much... they have him in the main even every 5 or so PPV (check the record, its true). They need to push him and keep on pushing him until he's over. They did this with The Rock and even did it with Brock Lesner... it works. They should put it to work.

Originally posted by slinger
The Royal Rumble situation needs to cleared up. Getting rid of almost every belt I think wasn't the right move.

There are 3 belts to each program... so in RAW case, there should only be 3 teirs in the program. Undercard... Tag Team and World Championship. Regal and Storm... they are excellent wrestlers that should be leading the tag situation with the Dudleys, and new teams like Raven and Dreamer, and other ECW guys that would work well togethe and with other ECW guys. The Undercard should be with wash ups and has beens like Jeff Hardy (who is running on fumes right now... he needs a break from the high spots), Spike Dudley, and the up and comers. Booker, Jericho, RVD, Steiner, HHH and Kane should be the main eventers... but right now its only HHH and Steiner and the rest are jobbers... there needs to be a need to make those rest into legitamite threats.

As fotr the RR situation. Basically I believe the winner will face the champion on their respected show @ WMIX, so if Lesner wins (which he will) he will face Angle at Wrestlemania (Which they are supposed to)... or if Booker won he would face HHH.. get it?

Originally posted by slinger
RAW has a chunk of former ECW guys and they unify the belt with the Euro? Then unify the Euro with the Intercontinental? Then unify the Inter with the World Heavy Weight (WCW). A new WWE like belt should've be created instead of the old WCW one. With the belts you've got No.1 Contenders match and possibly build up stories better by having two guys wrestle for a belt.

the tag belts and good angles should rectify it... that would be my remidy.

Originally posted by slinger
Undertaker, Kevin Nash, possibly Hogan, Stone Cold, The Rock, possibly Ken Shamrock are returning in 2003.

Undertaker... can hardly put a match together and should retire. Kevin Nash is a cripple or a cripple in the making everytime he walks into the ring; just terrible in a match. Hogan? Dear god, I hope he never EVER comes back again. Austin... the leader of Raw needs to become a Heel again... Rock, should become a heel and should be making way for new stars because he has his god-awful movie career to stink up. Shamrock should come back... too bad he didn't get a title run back in '97... but alas Shawn and Vince had plans of there own.

Originally posted by slinger
RAW lacks a stable and I think Flair will bring one back real soon once Orton returns. nWO and Un-Americans failed. SD! has the Heyman family stable: Angle, Show, A-Train.

Four Horsemen, once Orton returns... NWO didn't work because Hall was the only decent wrestler. Un-American's didn't work because WWE didn't have the balls to say what was needed (although they had no problem saying there were not Canadian War Heros on Raw years ago...)

Originally posted by slinger
The Maven/Chris "Harvard"/Al Snow storyline really has been the only good one on RAW for the past while.

ZZZZZzzzzzz, I would have to say Victoria is the only good storyline on RAW

Originally posted by slinger
Wasn't Raven banned from RAW and is only on Heat?
Wasn't Test not allowed to be fired for a year? Wasn't Torrie and Maven dating? What happens when Lita comes back, she's going to be going to RAW... she's not going to be dating Mat V.1?

Originally posted by slinger
JustinCredible what are your thoughts on Justin Credible?

Could be used be used better, like so many others... Heyman made mid-carders into stars... if only Vince had that type of know-how. Everyone has a place in wrestling... you just have to put them on the right spot. JustinCredible jobbing on Heat isn't... he should be given a mic and put on Raw in the tag team division.. presto an instant tag team to put into the mix!

Colorado Cajun

12-22-2002, 11:54 AM

You have to look at it from a business stand point guys. They push those who make them money. Rvd is over because I've seen it at multiple shows. It's just right now he's a floater.

Jericho and Christian are the best thing on Raw right now and imo should start feuding with HBK. They don't need to change anything because they are over as hell

The tag division needs to be built anf Booker and Goldie are a decent team to lead it for awhile. They are over, great in the ring, and they have excellent chemistry together. Toss in the Duds, Lance with Justin(regal may be a good wrestler but he just doesn't mesh well with a lot of the other styles), Jeff and Hurricane(would be the most over team in the WWE), # Minute Warning and a Flock team and you'd have a good tag division again.

The ladies are doing a nice job entertaining the peopl and if they toss back in Molly, Ivory and Lita they have incredible chances to make it much stronger

I love what they are doing with Test and Stacy. If they keep pushing him, he's finally going to be huge. Feuding him with Raven(who I feel needs a flock to be big) will be really fun to watch

Kane vs Flair's new stable is a good storyline as long as they don't make him job often

The main thing they need to do is hand the Title to someone new and let him run with it for around four months. Someone like RVD, Jericho, Test(I'm a huge Testicle so sue me), Kane especially if he turns back heel

those are my ideas and opinions on what could make Raw must watch again

MysteryStar

12-22-2002, 12:08 PM

Raven with a flock...it's really been done before. While it is a good idea I would rather he did it on his own or had one or two people that followed him around. Like he stuck to singles and he had a flock tag team, perhaps Kanyon and Sean O'Haire...those three would be a good team

The Test/Stacy thing is good but they are going to have to come up with something new or else it will get old pretty fast. Interesting to see what Raven has to do with it, since he showed up last RAW.

Jericho/Christian vs HBK... now if they let these three go at it on the mic, they would rip it up. This is a feud that needs to happen on RAW, even if it's just Jericho/HBK... This is the money feud for RAW, they just need to plant more seeds like they did last RAW

I think they really need to push Kane away from the Flair group. He already got beat by HHH, and Batista is really green and hasn't really put on a good match. Even if I like him. Batista is being pushed to fast becuase of his size. He's kinda sloppy in many places in matches and it does nothing to have a slooppy big guy cause he can hurt people.

Colorado Cajun

12-22-2002, 12:18 PM

Smackdown on the other hand needs more work than Raw now imo.

The first thing they need to do is kill this Al Wilson crap. I mean you'd think they could've gotten someone with a bit of personality and acting ability

Second stop pushing Show. I don't care what anyone says the man is a scrub. Hell he lost to Funaki like three months ago and now I'm meant to buy him as some unbeatable monster. Shah whatever

Kurt as the main heel champ is gold as long as they let him still be goofy often

They need another belt because Edge deserves to be the number 2 man on SD instead of having to wrestle Albert

Get more tag teams to make a strond division around Los Guerreros who are the best thing on SD right now imo

push the hell out of Matt Hardy version 1 and let him take Shannon along for the ride

Push Cena and Bling Bling strong in the tag division instead of against Rikishi

push the cruisers hard around Kidman, Shannon, Tajiri, Jamie and Guido, Funaki, Crash, Nova

Give Benoit a really strong three month feud

Give Steph another big name from the WCW to counter Steiner, someone like JJ

MysteryStar

12-22-2002, 12:30 PM

with smackdown I agree somewhat more

they need stronger tag teams

they need to stop pushing the Big Show

they have the talent, like the crusisers and Matt and others that they don't push

They really need to continue the great feuds Benoit and Angle had along with Edge and Angle, honestly I would really like to see those three feud over the World belt.

They should have Edge and Angle feud alone first through, give Benoit another feud to get him over as a face and then have him join in with the main event feud as more of a face. It would give Benoit/Angle a break from each other so they can be somewhat fresh

and smackdown needs less work the raw to fix it, but then I am a smackdown fan while you are a raw fan

Colorado Cajun

12-22-2002, 12:48 PM

SD was my favorite ever since the split up until the last two months or so when they gave Show the instant push and did the Al Wilson crap. Now that take up a good 40 minutes every show and it just plain blows.

I would'nt mind seeing Edge vs Kurt for the strap, but they've done a lot of Edge vs Kurt and same with Benoit. That's why I don't mind Kurt vs Brock and then toss in Edge and it would be huge!!

I also feel that if they work on it for a few months Matt can be a title contender and be really over as a heel. I'd feud him with Benoit or Edge right now and elevate them both with strong matches and storyline

slinger

12-22-2002, 04:06 PM

If they were to have the US Championship (new belt, not the old WCW one) on RAW and brought the Intercontinental Championship on Smackdown! that would help with the shows. A month's worth of matches leading up to the crowning the new champs say at No Way Out. Jericho and Edge or Booker T and Benoit or RVD and Big Show.

Heyman's Family could try to capture al the belts on SD!

With the older stars returning somebody's push will stop. The Rock as a heel vs. Edge, would help Edge out. Stone Cold will probably go to SD! That might split the fans, some will love that he's back and others will hate him for what he did. Him as a heel and Benoit to finish what they started would be good.

Undertaker should job to the younger talent and ride off after Wrestlemania XIX, keeping his perfect record at the event. Its questonable if Nash will return in time for WM. If Hogan does return I see it being shorter than his last run. Help a younger talent, have a match with Vince and then something else.

Originally they wanted an actor for Al Wilson, looks like that's what should've been done. When is this wedding that's happening. Then what? Few women on SD!

Yes, the tag team division needs work on Smackdown.

JustinCredible

12-22-2002, 04:58 PM

Originally posted by Colorado Cajun
You have to look at it from a business stand point guys. They push those who make them money. Rvd is over because I've seen it at multiple shows. It's just right now he's a floater.

RVD is lukewarm... yeah there are big pops.. but can he draw? That remains to be seen. He needs proper charcter development (one only Heyman can do), he needs a manager (to do his talking) and a decent run of good matches.. also he needs to learn to stop being a spot machine.

Originally posted by Colorado Cajun
Jericho and Christian are the best thing on Raw right now and imo should start feuding with HBK. They don't need to change anything because they are over as hell

They aren't really over... yeah they have some good promos and excellent matches, but they aren't taken that seriously. You have Jericho laying face down in the ring to the HBK... and Jericho has been a midcarder since he lost at WMX8... he needs to be dominate... and Christian and Jericho should win matches not via screwjobs... but because they are good wrestlers.

Originally posted by Colorado Cajun
The tag division needs to be built anf Booker and Goldie are a decent team to lead it for awhile. They are over, great in the ring, and they have excellent chemistry together. Toss in the Duds, Lance with Justin(regal may be a good wrestler but he just doesn't mesh well with a lot of the other styles), Jeff and Hurricane(would be the most over team in the WWE), # Minute Warning and a Flock team and you'd have a good tag division again.

Booker should be in the top card... there is enough mid card talent to be in the tag team division. Goldust... should just do interviews because he's a Heat wrestler at best. Regal is an excellent wrestler and I believe he should be on Smackdown with the other mat-technitions. As for Hericane... he should drop the superhero gimick and go to smackdown (or have him stay on Raw) with Shannon Moore and they team together. Jeff Hardy is washed up right now... he looks like he's on drugs 99% of the times and needs a good year off. Just terrible in the ring.

Originally posted by Colorado Cajun
The ladies are doing a nice job entertaining the peopl and if they toss back in Molly, Ivory and Lita they have incredible chances to make it much stronger

Lita would be the weakest one among them... so that a good sign.

Originally posted by Colorado Cajun
Kane vs Flair's new stable is a good storyline as long as they don't make him job often

Kane needs a new gimick...

Originally posted by Colorado Cajun
The main thing they need to do is hand the Title to someone new and let him run with it for around four months. Someone like RVD, Jericho, Test(I'm a huge Testicle so sue me), Kane especially if he turns back heel

RVD... we don't know if he can draw.. jericho, I could see... but I don't see it soon. Test... needs a way to go... and Kane needs a new gimick. A good run is about a year.

Originally posted by MysteryStar
Raven with a flock...it's really been done before. While it is a good idea I would rather he did it on his own or had one or two people that followed him around. Like he stuck to singles and he had a flock tag team, perhaps Kanyon and Sean O'Haire...those three would be a good team

I agree, but Raven needs to lose the dreads..looks terrible.

Originally posted by MysteryStar
The Test/Stacy thing is good but they are going to have to come up with something new or else it will get old pretty fast. Interesting to see what Raven has to do with it, since he showed up last RAW.

Raven's re-appearence will make sense as a match in the near future will bring him back on RAW

Originally posted by MysteryStar
Jericho/Christian vs HBK... now if they let these three go at it on the mic, they would rip it up. This is a feud that needs to happen on RAW, even if it's just Jericho/HBK... This is the money feud for RAW, they just need to plant more seeds like they did last RAW

And hopefully have Jericho as serious... maybe if they could get HBK to get serious also... and make sure he doen't lose his smile... Also in the end of the fued Jericho or Christian has to be the one who is put over.

Originally posted by MysteryStar
I think they really need to push Kane away from the Flair group. He already got beat by HHH, and Batista is really green and hasn't really put on a good match. Even if I like him. Batista is being pushed to fast becuase of his size. He's kinda sloppy in many places in matches and it does nothing to have a slooppy big guy cause he can hurt people.

Same can be said about Kane (except the green part...) He's sloppy sometimes and it looks that he can hurt people.

Originally posted by Colorado Cajun
The first thing they need to do is kill this Al Wilson crap. I mean you'd think they could've gotten someone with a bit of personality and acting ability

Agreed... nothing good will come of this. What is the pay off? Torrie is already popular... and only one promo could make Dawn hated... so why a wedding?

Originally posted by Colorado Cajun
Second stop pushing Show. I don't care what anyone says the man is a scrub. Hell he lost to Funaki like three months ago and now I'm meant to buy him as some unbeatable monster. Shah whatever

Show was pushed because he was at the right time, at the right place, in the right situation. Brock needed someone to face just for a PPV... so Show was put in that position. Lesnar was going to beat him and move on, but Big SHow injuried Lesnar before the PPV... so Vince paniked and put the belt on Show to pass the time until Brock could come back. Thats the only reason why SHow was pushed... and I might add... if he was pushed like this from the get-go... he could have been something... now he NOTHING.

Originally posted by Colorado Cajun
Kurt as the main heel champ is gold as long as they let him still be goofy often

No, Kurt needs to be serious... because last time he was champ people didn't buy it. Heel or face. He needs to stop being goofy and buckle down. SCSA during the whole invasion angle was goofy, but in the ring... all buisness... he had no 'hit himself with a chair' spots or 'pantsing' spots.. makes them look stupid. Kurt needs to come across as dominate in teh ring!

Originally posted by Colorado Cajun
They need another belt because Edge deserves to be the number 2 man on SD instead of having to wrestle Albert

Edge was supposed to face Matt V.1 (as Matt was supposed to be the one to injiure Mysterio)... this would have resulted in 2 good angles with Edge/Matt and Mysterio/Matt... but Vince wanted a big man (as he loves big men on PPVs) and put Albert in that spot. Edge doesn't need a belt... he just needs a couple high profile wins, a promo or 2 and he's ready for the top card.

Originally posted by Colorado Cajun
Get more tag teams to make a strond division around Los Guerreros who are the best thing on SD right now imo

Cruiseweight tag teams... there are more than enough to put in there for good matches...

Originally posted by Colorado Cajun
push the hell out of Matt Hardy version 1 and let him take Shannon along for the ride

Indeed!

Originally posted by Colorado Cajun
Push Cena and Bling Bling strong in the tag division instead of against Rikishi

Get Rikishi off the air...

Originally posted by Colorado Cajun
push the cruisers hard around Kidman, Shannon, Tajiri, Jamie and Guido, Funaki, Crash, Nova

don't forget Mysterio!

Originally posted by Colorado Cajun
Give Benoit a really strong three month feud

He has had one! With Angle... which is going to pay off really soon!

Originally posted by Colorado Cajun
Give Steph another big name from the WCW to counter Steiner, someone like JJ

JJ has his own company to worry about.. and lets run down the list:
Macho... Wants too much $$$
Sting... Wants nothing to do with WWE
Goldberg... Besides being garbage in the ring and on the mic... he wants too much $$$
Nash... he's a cripple
Hall... 3 strikes you're out
Hogan... washed up and can't draw

If you have any suggestions...

Originally posted by MysteryStar
they need stronger tag teams
they need to stop pushing the Big Show
they have the talent, like the crusisers and Matt and others that they don't push

Read above...

Originally posted by MysteryStar
They really need to continue the great feuds Benoit and Angle had along with Edge and Angle, honestly I would really like to see those three feud over the World belt.

Along with Lesnar... yeah definately. The future for the WWE!

Originally posted by MysteryStar
They should have Edge and Angle feud alone first through, give Benoit another feud to get him over as a face and then have him join in with the main event feud as more of a face. It would give Benoit/Angle a break from each other so they can be somewhat fresh

Angle/Benoit match is coming soon... then off to Lesnar land!

Originally posted by Colorado Cajun
SD was my favorite ever since the split up until the last two months or so when they gave Show the instant push and did the Al Wilson crap. Now that take up a good 40 minutes every show and it just plain blows.

Read above...

Originally posted by Colorado Cajun
I would'nt mind seeing Edge vs Kurt for the strap, but they've done a lot of Edge vs Kurt and same with Benoit. That's why I don't mind Kurt vs Brock and then toss in Edge and it would be huge!!

3 ways are good for inbetween PPVs like 'No Way Out'.. but for Wrestlemaina... keep it 1 on 1...

Originally posted by Colorado Cajun
I also feel that if they work on it for a few months Matt can be a title contender and be really over as a heel. I'd feud him with Benoit or Edge right now and elevate them both with strong matches and storyline

Could be...!

Colorado Cajun

12-22-2002, 05:49 PM

Thing with Christian and Jericho is they are way over. I've been to three shows in a few months and they are over really big. They need people with personality in the fed and right now Jericho and Christian have the best characters around. If they feud them with HBK who is also now a main man and a legend; they will make Raw. They need to keep them as they are now, but have them win matches cleanly

Kurt doesn't need to be the serious heel because they already have so many of them. The thing that makes Kurt great is his goffy personality. He draws more heat than anyone right now. Plus people respect him because of his skill, not because they make him some bad ass. Show's a serious monster and not a soul respects his ass.

They need to stop making everyone the same serious, evil heel. It's getting tired. HHH, Batista, Kane, Brock, Stone Cold, Benoit all are close to the same character.

RVD can draw and he is one of the biggest sellers they have. He just needs the right storyline to work with. HHH isn't it and Steiner isn't either. Jericho vs RVD should be the match at Mania for the title

I left Rey out of the cruiser list because of his injury. Plus i want him to be a main title contender like he should be.

Regal's style doesn't mesh with most guys. That's why he has never gone anywhere. He is a technical brawler. He brings down the other talent. If you pay close attention and watch him work, you can tell that his style just doesn't mesh. He's better off as a commish or manager

Booker and Goldie make for good t.v. and people are into them. I for one love them because they keep me entertained and are fresh. They right now are good tag champs as were Jericho and Christian. The Dudleys have had too many title reigns, Lance and Regal just aren't there as a team.(Lance should be with Justin), 3 Minte Warning should've had a better gimmick. They were better and more over when they were the Island Boys.

Nothing about Lita is weak. When she actually got to wrestle she did things that the other women onlt dreamt of. Only when they made her a three move girl did her matches start to go down. That was the booking though, not her

Kane isn't even close to being green. He has put on some really good matches lately. He just needs to find his niche again. He is still one of the best talents they have.

Test has it all also if he'd only get a few strong feuds to let him show it. His match with Brock at the last Rumble was still one of the best I've seen in quite awhile

Benoit vs Angle is tired. It's like Rock vs HHH or Stone Cold. Even their matches are all the same as the last now if you watch closely. Back and forth for a bit, then Angle with multiple germans, then Benoit with multiple germans, ankle lock, counter to Benoit with crossface, then Angle with another anklelock, then Benoit with a german and diving headbutt. It's so repetitive. Granted still great but the same as always

They need Angle vs Brock because it will be a great feud of two of the best actual wrestlers to ever be in sports entertainment. They just better not make it like Stone Cold vs the McMahon regime which it is already starting to be exactly like

Kyle Katarn

12-23-2002, 10:12 PM

LOL!!!!

Merry Christmas JR! :D :applaud: :D

Colorado Cajun

12-23-2002, 10:30 PM

dude! Hungry Hungry Hippos rules!!!:D

Kyle Katarn

12-23-2002, 10:53 PM

Yeah! Chutes n' ladders? What was Rob thinking?! :funny:

slinger

12-24-2002, 11:36 AM

Well J.R. and The King are playable in N64's No Mercy....

WWF always has something you would never thought you would see. I guess this makes up for the abuse he took from Austin and kissing Vince's ass.

The thing is, JR is always going on about how Regal uses the brass knucks, and then he ends up using them.

Where was HBK? I'm satisfied with the Royal Rumble format, even though I see Brock winning it should be hell of an event.

Kyle Katarn

12-24-2002, 04:12 PM

Originally posted by slinger
Well J.R. and The King are playable in N64's No Mercy....

Where was HBK?

Yeah...the moves and taunts aren't the best....clone the King and do some fine-tuning on him for maximum fun...and don't forget the proper ring attire ("One Shoulder" tanktop and elbow brace)! :D

I actually forgot that Raw was on till 9:30...glad I didn't miss HBK!

JustinCredible

12-24-2002, 09:27 PM

Originally posted by Colorado Cajun
Thing with Christian and Jericho is they are way over. I've been to three shows in a few months and they are over really big. They need people with personality in the fed and right now Jericho and Christian have the best characters around. If they feud them with HBK who is also now a main man and a legend; they will make Raw. They need to keep them as they are now, but have them win matches cleanly

I agree that Christian and Jericho need to win cleanly.. HBK's main role now is to job and get out, like Hogan. THat is the best he can do for the company right now.

Originally posted by Colorado Cajun
Kurt doesn't need to be the serious heel because they already have so many of them. The thing that makes Kurt great is his goffy personality. He draws more heat than anyone right now. Plus people respect him because of his skill, not because they make him some bad ass. Show's a serious monster and not a soul respects his ass.

Its a known fact comedy gimicks don't draw... you can do the comedy in the lower card and in the promos... but when it is time for a match, its all about intensity and focus. I'm not for him acting like stone cold or something... but when it came for the match he was serious in the ring... same for Hart, same for Rock, same for Flair, same for any drawing champion. The made Y2J look stupid in the ring last year and it did nothing for him.

Originally posted by Colorado Cajun
RVD can draw and he is one of the biggest sellers they have. He just needs the right storyline to work with. HHH isn't it and Steiner isn't either. Jericho vs RVD should be the match at Mania for the title

RVD can sell merch... but can he have people flock to the staduims, to watch tv... Hogan got big pops but after a few weeks as champion people got board. RVD needs to clean up his matches, get a good storyline and someone to speak for him... then after a while he will be in a position to draw.

Originally posted by Colorado Cajun
I left Rey out of the cruiser list because of his injury. Plus i want him to be a main title contender like he should be.

Main title contender... the worst thing WCW did was take mysterio out of the cruiserweight division. Vince likes big men going for the title and Mysterio will likely be buired and plus him beating someone like the Big SHow or Lesnar would look ludicris. With Ultimo, Spanky, Chavo, Spike (he should be on Smackdown), Nobel, Hurricane (He should be on Smackdown) Shannon Moore, Tajiri and Funaki... you have a Division almost as good as WCW's cruiserweight division which was more important to WCW in its days.

Originally posted by Colorado Cajun
Regal's style doesn't mesh with most guys. That's why he has never gone anywhere. He is a technical brawler. He brings down the other talent. If you pay close attention and watch him work, you can tell that his style just doesn't mesh. He's better off as a commish or manager

Regal is a excellent wrestler, its just that he can't work with spot machines and poor ass wrestlers like an RVD, but put him in with Jericho, Christian, Storm, Benoit, Angle, Edge and if you are lucky Booker and you have an entertaining match. Yeah he could be a manager also, but it would be a waste of good wrestling.

Originally posted by Colorado Cajun
Booker and Goldie make for good t.v. and people are into them. I for one love them because they keep me entertained and are fresh. They right now are good tag champs as were Jericho and Christian. The Dudleys have had too many title reigns, Lance and Regal just aren't there as a team.(Lance should be with Justin), 3 Minte Warning should've had a better gimmick. They were better and more over when they were the Island Boys.

3 Minute Warning would be good, if they weren't jobbing all the time. Booker should be in the title hunt... to leave him in the tag division would be a waste. Use the ECW characters in the tag division and elevate Booker. Goldie should be a interviewer or something so that he will still have his funny segments that you all love, but in the ring... its cringe worthy.

Originally posted by Colorado Cajun
Nothing about Lita is weak. When she actually got to wrestle she did things that the other women onlt dreamt of. Only when they made her a three move girl did her matches start to go down. That was the booking though, not her

What can she do that other can't?

Originally posted by Colorado Cajun
Kane isn't even close to being green. He has put on some really good matches lately. He just needs to find his niche again. He is still one of the best talents they have.

I never said he was green... His gimick is past old, its molding right now. As of late he has been pretty much putting medicore matches... I would put him in the top 10 at best right now...

Originally posted by Colorado Cajun
Test has it all also if he'd only get a few strong feuds to let him show it. His match with Brock at the last Rumble was still one of the best I've seen in quite awhile

One of the best for him...

Originally posted by Colorado Cajun
Benoit vs Angle is tired. It's like Rock vs HHH or Stone Cold. Even their matches are all the same as the last now if you watch closely. Back and forth for a bit, then Angle with multiple germans, then Benoit with multiple germans, ankle lock, counter to Benoit with crossface, then Angle with another anklelock, then Benoit with a german and diving headbutt. It's so repetitive. Granted still great but the same as always

No way its tired, it hasn't reached its big match yet... Stone Cold and Rock had their big match at wrestlemania... Benoit/Angle will have there's at Royal Rumble and hopefully ending at the PPV after that with a stip to end the fued and then Angle will be married to Brock at WMXiX

Originally posted by Colorado Cajun
They need Angle vs Brock because it will be a great feud of two of the best actual wrestlers to ever be in sports entertainment. They just better not make it like Stone Cold vs the McMahon regime which it is already starting to be exactly like

Stone Cold Vs The McMahon regime was probably one of the best angles and most profitable angles in the 90s... but this angle they are making currently is reminicent of that... more of the classic angles like the dungeon of doom against Hogan...