Go WWE!

[Knerys]

Remember, HHH+Steph = Belts

= Bad ratings. :P

[Se7en the movie]

Niiiiiiiice, I got my tickets for Smackdown which is coming to Dublin in April! Sold out in ten minutes.

I rule.

[onelegasy]

Nose Bleeds?

[Se7en the movie]

No actually I think I got around the middle, towards the front....well here's hoping.

[ZombieMan]

Here is some WWE news and rumors from www.lordsofpain.net

World Wrestling Entertainment has signed former WCW and TNA wrestler Joe Dorgan, who is best known as Johnny Swinger. Swinger was released a few weeks ago from TNA and WWE signed him to a contract this past week.

Yayyy, I'm excited about Johnny Swinger being signed, he has alot of in-ring talent!

At last night's UPW Show, Frankie Kazarian confirmed his decision to sign a contract with World Wrestling Entertainment. Kazarian left NWA-TNA last week after working for several months without a contract.
According to PWTorch.com, Kazarian will be moved straight to the main WWE roster for his debut and not OVW. Although he may utilize the OVW facility for a few weeks to prepare for his debut, Kazarian's contract is for the main roster and he will appear on WWE's TV shows in the near future..

I'm very glad to see Kazarian coming to the WWE, he's a very talented wrestler and was one of my favorite TNA stars.

The idea of re-forming the 4 Horsemen for WrestleMania 21 is said to have been pitched by Malenko, with the group consisting of himself, Ric Flair, Arn Anderson and Chris Benoit. He is also said to be lobbying to come out of retirement for one match at the ECW pay-per-view.

Wow, that certainly would be something different. Except, two of them will be unactive wrestlers (Malenko and Anderson), so whats the point really?

It is being rumored that Mark Henry and Val Venis of RAW will move to the SmackDown! brand after WrestleMania 21.

I'm excited to see Val Venis go to Smackdown because Raw doesn't ever use him properly. Val Venis has ALOT of potential and use to be the man, but they never give him a chance anymore. One of the most talented wrestlers in the WWE today if you ask me. As for Mark Henry...Who cares?!

[onelegasy]

The Horseman being reformed without HHH being the leader?

I don't think so.


Reforming/Redoing anything that had worked in the past is always a bad idea.

Arn Anderson and Tully Blanchard had style and worked so well together as a team.

Protecting Flair's title reign was what the horsemen were all about. Let the legacy remain.

I can honestly say Malenko and Arn will NEVER wrestle again so why would they be included as horsemen.



malenko in Ecw reunion?

I'd pay good money to see Malenko x Mysterio one more time. especially if Malenko was to give Mysterio his old finisher. (If you don't remember, Malenko used to stand on the top turnbuckle with Rey in the fireman's carry position. He then would throw Rey into the air as he jumped down and Rey would land gut first on Malenko's knee.

The first time I saw that I almost crapped my pants.

Totally Awesome

[Se7en the movie]

Man, I certainly hope Val Venis gets moved to Smackdown. He puts on some great matches on Heat. Seeing him in April would rule. Now all I need is Stevie Richards to get moved to Smackdown too.
I wanna see another Dean Malenko vs. Eddie Guerarro Two out of Three Falls classic!

[NastyNas04]

I stop watching for a while whats the latest news

[FVD]

If anything I want to see Lance Storm being used properly. He's a superstar deserving of a push. And to think we still haven't seen him wrestle Benoit yet. Put him in a match against Angle or something. But I want to see remain as a heel where he is at his best. Put him up for the US title or something. I want more STORM!!!! And perhaps Storm and Dawn Marie can work together again. ECW ECW!!!

And having Venis moving to Smackdown would be a great move indeed. He certainly has the talent.

FVD.

[slinger]

If anything I want to see Lance Storm being used properly. He's a superstar deserving of a push. And to think we still haven't seen him wrestle Benoit yet. Put him in a match against Angle or something. But I want to see remain as a heel where he is at his best. Put him up for the US title or something. I want more STORM!!!! And perhaps Storm and Dawn Marie can work together again. ECW ECW!!!

And having Venis moving to Smackdown would be a great move indeed. He certainly has the talent.

FVD.

Storm retired awhile ago, which sucks. How did the Un-Americans disband again?

[ChaCho]

Batista Is The Rawest **** Ever!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
He Dominated On Monday
He Is Gonna Whup Triple Hhh's Ass On Wwmxx1
Man This Is Gonna Be Good Hahaha

[padawan331]

Batista Is The Rawest **** Ever!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
He Dominated On Monday
He Is Gonna Whup Triple Hhh's Ass On Wwmxx1
Man This Is Gonna Be Good Hahaha

he's good aint he

[FVD]

Storm retired awhile ago, which sucks. How did the Un-Americans disband again?

Dammit that sucks but according to his website (www.stormwrestling.com) Storm is at OVW. As for the Un-Americans (damn they were funny), I believe Storm and Christian came to some misunderstanding or something like that.

And to the weeks highlights.

I knew Batista was gonna remain on Raw. I thought it was gonna suck if there was to be a Triple Threat match for the WWE title. They already had that last year for the World Heavyweight title. Go Batista!!!!!

And I'm glad that Theodore Long has retained his role as General Manager of Smackdown. He's done a great job thus far and the charisma showed that night. TEDDY TEDDY TEDDY!!!!

And to the ECW reunion PPV in June. I read that Tommy Dreamer will have some involvement in this and the Sandman may make an appearance also. I even read that Shane Douglas has a part in this also. Cool I've always liked the Franchise. He's bloody great with the mic.

FVD.

[ZombieMan]

I wonder if Shane Douglas will be able to participate in the ECW reunion PPV or not since he is under contract with NWA-TNA still. Tommy Dreamer and Sandman will be awsome to watch though, thats for sure! I think we could see Sabu coming for the PPV too. I wish that Raven could be there, but he is under TNA contract still and I know that they won't allow that to happen, if they did, it would be under strict rules, I'm sure.

[IamMrDJ]

I wonder if Shane Douglas will be able to participate in the ECW reunion PPV or not since he is under contract with NWA-TNA still. Tommy Dreamer and Sandman will be awsome to watch though, thats for sure! I think we could see Sabu coming for the PPV too. I wish that Raven could be there, but he is under TNA contract still and I know that they won't allow that to happen, if they did, it would be under strict rules, I'm sure.

Okay so I have been hiding out for the last 2 months but decided that maybe I should make an appearance today and fill you guys in on a little info. First, Congrats on the job opportunity Zombie.

Ok, now on to the wrestling news. Lance Storm is officially retired adn is working at OVW with the new trainiees. He stated in an update on hiw website taht he is not planning any kind of comeback in the near future. He is happy being retired from the ring and is enjoying his role as a trainer at OVW.

As for the ECW Reunion Show on Sunday June 12th, do not look for Shane Douglas to be a part of it at all. As of last week Shane had booked an arena in Philly for his own ECW reunion show 2 days before the WWE Sponsored one. The only problem with Shane's show is that he is not allowed to use the name ECW at all for it. WWE owns all the naming rights to the Hardcore Wrestling Federation. Also, at the show we will not get to see RVD wrestling at all. He just had surgery a few weeks back and is a long ways away from getting back in the ring. He is however hoping for some type of role in the show.

For WrestleMania this year Kane and Undertaker vs. Snitsky and Heidenreich will not be happening. Undertaker has stated that he is no longer interested in working a program with Heidenreich. Undertaker has spent the last 6 months in a program with the guy and I have a feeling Undertaker does not think he is progressing that much. Instead we will most likely seeing an Orton vs. Undertaker match in a Legend vs. Legend Killer match. It is also rumored that Orton will be ending UNdertakers streak of being undefeated at Mania. Both men will most likely being going into the show as Faces. WWE was thinking of having Orton turn heel before the show but they have decided to keep him face so that he can team up with Batista after Mania for house shows against Triple H and Flair.

Since Kane and Snitsky will not be in a big man tag match it sound like we might see a Triple Threat match with both of those guys as well as a returning Matt Hardy. Now this match is being considered a major rumor right now. A snag that might happen in this match is that as of early last week Matt Hardy had all pictures of Lita removed from his website. When asked about it Matt told a fan that they should check with Lita because she would know why. Could this mean that the two of them are no longer together.

Another rumored match for Mania is Chris Benoit against Muhammad Hussan. This match could change to a tag match with Benoit teaming with Y2J to take on Muhammad Hussan and Daivari. Rey Mysterio vs. Eddie Guerrero is another rumored match as both men would also be going in as faces.

It is looking more and more like Triple H will be dropping the belt to Batista at Mania. When was the last time you saw someone put Triple H through a table? It has been a long time. Batista is over with the fans about 10 times as much as Orton was when he beat Triple H. Trips is also a big fan of Batista and has been working with him alot over the alst couple months on the mic and in the ring. I am also thinking that Cena will beat JBL at Mania. If he does not beat JBL do not look for JBL to drop the title until SummerSlam.

Well I gotta get ready for my graveyard shift tonight so I will leave it at that. I will be back later in the week with some more updates and news to report. Lates.

[ZombieMan]

About Heidenreich, he sucks big time in the ring. I can understand why The Undertaker has no interest in wrestling him anymore. As for Benoit vs. Hassan, Benoit would rip him apart in no time.

[jbailey84]

I am also thinking that Cena will beat JBL at Mania. If he does not beat JBL do not look for JBL to drop the title until SummerSlam. if not WM then SummerSlam! :omg: jeesh he'd have the title way over a year!! i hope JBL loses at WM, just have Cena drop the US Title. i wonder if Cena does win the Heavyweight Title if he'll change the title apperance any?

[Se7en the movie]

I really don't think its a good move giving Cena the World Title, he is definately not ready. Honestly though, i dont know who else could hold it apart from the genius that is JBL.

[Colorado Cajun]

if Matt and Amy did split I want to let her know I'm here and could be available lol:D

I say give Cena a shot to run with the belt a bit and see if he can step it up again like he was a few months ago

I hope Matt is brought back in a huge way with some serious vengeance driven edge

Christian vs Batista in a long championship feud!!!!

Benoit needs a heel turn at Mania

I hope they keep following up on what they did with Benjamin on Raw

[FVD]

About Heidenreich, he sucks big time in the ring. I can understand why The Undertaker has no interest in wrestling him anymore. As for Benoit vs. Hassan, Benoit would rip him apart in no time.

I like Heidenreich for his comic value. His poem on Smackdown last week was hilarious.

And I agree with Benoit to rip Hassan to shreds. I just cannot stand that coward. But Daivari is far more annoying. Benoit should tear them both apart.

FVD.

[slinger]

If Orton does defeat Taker at WM21, he'll be booed out of the Staples Center. I thought Kane should've won last year just to help Kane since he's never going to win the championship title again he atleast should've gotten a win over Taker at WrestleMania as his little thing. But Orton might be forced to turn heel if he wins.

[Se7en the movie]

If Orton does defeat Taker at WM21, he'll be booed out of the Staples Center. I thought Kane should've won last year just to help Kane since he's never going to win the championship title again he atleast should've gotten a win over Taker at WrestleMania as his little thing. But Orton might be forced to turn heel if he wins.

Unless Orton and Taker have an extremely good and hard fought match then you are right, Orton will be forced to turn heel if he beats Taker.

[onelegasy]

Benoit will lose his match. Bet on it.

If Matt Hardy was used properly, he would be a great wrestler.

You can easily see him in a program against Shawn Micheals.

[jbailey84]

that'd be cool to see if Matt is used correctly to feud with HBK or maybe even Edge.

having Orton beat Taker at WM, no no no no no! let taker atleast have a total of 15 wins then lose ya know? having be undeafeted at WM would never be done again like that. plus i dont like the idea of having Orton be the one to beat him, it should be someone else like maybe The Rock, Stone Cold, Goldberg even, HBK, HHH, Kane, ya get the point, but not Orton. cause when and if Taker gets pinned, he will truely Rest...In...Peace

[slinger]

Unless Orton and Taker have an extremely good and hard fought match then you are right, Orton will be forced to turn heel if he beats Taker.

Plus they don't even have a history or are even on the same show. They have 5 weeks to get this going and it looks like face vs face (of course it could be 10 shows if they go RAW/SD). Not the proper ingredients in my opinion to have great build up and to keep Orton a face after the PPV. Orton will probably take HBK's advice and challenge Taker. I can just see Orton and Taker shaking hands after the match to sounds of boos.

[ChaCho]

At Wrestlemania 21 The Undertaker WILL NOT LOOSE to Randy Orton.
Randy Orton is a great up-coming wrestler, but to make The Undertaker loose the biggest, most fantastic record in wrestling which is being undefeated at Wrestlemania, is not gonna happen, EVER! Mark my words, the Wrestlemania that Undertaker finally looses will be in a Hell in a Cell, against a great legend, and that day The Undertaker will say, "I am retiring from the WWE"

Batista is just awesome, he is a great upcoming wrestler, I dunno if yall remember but we all talked about it around the Survivor Series, that it would be great for Batista to get a nice role, well Ladies and Gentleman here it is.
At Wrestlemania 21 Batista is gonna devour Triple H, making him loose the Heavyweight Title, Batista IS the Next World Heavyweight Champion.

As far as Chris Benoit goes, HELL NO, they wouldnt make him fight Hussam at Wrestlemania, Benoit is too good for that, if Benoit is to be at Wrestlemania 21 it would be in a match against Chris Jericho on an AWSOME 3 Stages of Hell Match. That will settle whose the better grappler as their score is one on one in that match.

Shawn Michaels is another wrestler that is gonna KILL at Wrestlemania 21, he is gonna DESTROY!! Kurt Angle, the thing with Shawn Michaels is that he is an Icon, a Legend, with a great pride, and i believe if you are mess a match for Shawn Michaels, dont mess it up at the Royal Rumble or at Wrestlemania.
Kurt is finished.

John Cena is a straight up Gangsta! a pimp! The man is an incredible wrestler now that is really killing everyone in its path now... but he isnt up there yet, he has been wrestling for about three years and about half of that time he was hated, so his real career as a dominant is about a year and a half, not enough to make him a WWE Champion... AT Wrestlemania 21, he wont win, I feel he's not specially him being United States Champion now. DJ yeah the most probable thing will be for him not to loose it until SumerSlam, but i see it differently..... The Undertaker has fought JBL in some crazy matches lately, but not in a real crazy match, if JBL is to keep his title after Wrestlemania... I see him loosing it to The Undertaker, at Judgement Day, in a Buried Alive Match, a REAL crazy match.

~Chacho~

[ZombieMan]

that'd be cool to see if Matt is used correctly to feud with HBK or maybe even Edge.

having Orton beat Taker at WM, no no no no no! let taker atleast have a total of 15 wins then lose ya know? having be undeafeted at WM would never be done again like that. plus i dont like the idea of having Orton be the one to beat him, it should be someone else like maybe The Rock, Stone Cold, Goldberg even, HBK, HHH, Kane, ya get the point, but not Orton. cause when and if Taker gets pinned, he will truely Rest...In...Peace

Personally I would like to see Matt Hardy go up against Edge. That could make for a classic feud if you think about it. Orton had better not win against The Undertaker at WM, but you never know. Anything can happen in the WWE as they have always said. WWE seems to be doing good at pissing off fans and wrestlers alike lately, so they might let it happen.

[FVD]

If Randy beats UT at WM, instead of Randy turning heel wouldn't it be a better idea if they just shake hands as a sign of respect. Eg, The Rock and Hogan shaking hands, Brock defeating Angle etc.

FVD.

[slinger]

If Randy beats UT at WM, instead of Randy turning heel wouldn't it be a better idea if they just shake hands as a sign of respect. Eg, The Rock and Hogan shaking hands, Brock defeating Angle etc.

FVD.

They didn't have a record like Undertaker has.

[Colorado Cajun]

yeah but I am a Randy fan and honestly I think it's time for the old guys to really put over the young comers. HHH put over Batista, JBL put over Cena, and Taker can have a great match with Randy and Taker can win and still put over Randy

[slinger]

Like your avatar Cajun.
I actually watched about 45 minutes of RAW tonight to see what Batista was up to and the Street Fight with Angle's appearence. Batista would always get the shaft in Evolution, but I liked him from the very start when he hooked up with Flair (entrance music really good too). So I'm enjoying this and it might make me watch wrestling some more after I had essentially given up on it. Add HBK/Angle as a feud I've wanted to see ever since HBK returned.

So what's Edge going to do at WrestleMania? Reteam with Christian for the Tag Titles?
Orton should move to Smackdown after WM, unless he wants have a program with Snitsky.

[LS2002]

Updated WM 21 Card

WWE Heavyweight Championship Match
HHH vs. Batista

WWE Heavyweight Title Match
JBL vs. John Cena

Kurt Angle vs. HBK Shawn Michaels

Y2J Ladder Invitational (This is what I am calling it now since we don't know a thing about it or who will be wrestling in it expect Jericho}

Pipers Pit with Special Guest Stone Cold Steve Austin

Rumored Matches

Randy Orton vs. The Undertaker

WWE Cruiserweight Title Match
Chavo Guerrero Jr. Vs Paul London

[jbailey84]

WM 21 is looking pretty good this year. cool to see Piper's Pit returning with Special Guest Stone Cold Steve Austin and that Hogan has been inducted to the WWE Hall of Fame.

[ZombieMan]

Yup, I agree that WM is looking mighty good so far. I'm getting real excited!

[padawan331]

Yeah it looking good,but no Rock,and whats up with the ultimate warrior,did everyone forget him

[chewie]

I'm guessing that the ladder match will include Jericho, Edge, Christian, Benoit, plus two others. Does anybody know what Shelton Benjamin's program will be at Wrestlemania. Maybe included in the ladder match and for the IC title?

[LS2002]

Next Year It is likely that Bret Hart will be inductive in the Hall of Fame since it's offical that its going to be in Calgary!

[LS2002]

Well Jericho did say its for a chance of a lifetime whatever that means. Maybe its a shot at being the #1 contender for the WWE Title on Raw

[spiderman_2k]

Next Year It is likely that Bret Hart will be inductive in the Hall of Fame since it's offical that its going to be in Calgary!

I thought it was decided that WM 22 was taking place in Chicago's All State Arena.

[Se7en the movie]

Wait a minute here! Why is everyone saying Piper's Pit is gonna be at Wrestlemania? Where did that come from?

[spiderman_2k]

It was announced tonight on Raw that Roddy Piper will reprise his famous Piper's Pit interview segment at Wrestlemania 21.

Piper's guest will be former WWF champion Steve Austin, who was advertised in local Los Angeles commercials last week hyping the PPV as making a "special appearance."

The Piper's Pit segments helped lead the way for Piper's stardom during the initial WWF national expansion in the mid-1980s. After Piper's first retirement at Wrestlemania III in 1987, he brought the segment back as a one time only attraction at Wrestlemania V two years later with Brother Love and the late Morton Downey Jr. as guests.

When Piper returned to WWE in 2003, Piper's Pit returned on Smackdown, but lacked the zing and fire of the original run of the segment. At the time, Piper butted heads with WWE creative, pushing for a more improvised segment. Piper left the company soon after due to a falling out with management after a controversial appearance on HBO discussing the demons of the wrestling business.

Piper's appearance at the Wrestlemania 21 PPV will come one day after he is inducted into the WWE Hall of Fame.

http://nodq.com/news/111645822.shtml

[ZombieMan]

Well Jericho did say its for a chance of a lifetime whatever that means. Maybe its a shot at being the #1 contender for the WWE Title on Raw

Pretty good assumption really. I would say that you are right on that, and I think it would be a great idea!

[onelegasy]

I don't want to see Jericho in a program with HHH for the belt. God, that would be awful.

Why doesn't HHH head to hollywood and make movies? Oh ya, he can't act anything other than angry.

[ChaCho]

Stone Cold being at Wrestlemania is a great thing, HELL YEAH
and Hulk Hogan bein inducted in the Hall of Fame is just awsome, no one
right now deserves to be in the Hall of Fame more than him.

Hey have yall noticed that we talk about RAW more than Smackdown!
Why is that?

[onelegasy]

Because Paul Heyman is not writing for it.

It's a totally different show with him writing

[carnage4u]

Btw..

how did people enjoy Monday night? i thought the streetfight match was really well done.

we all see shawn micheals bleed well, but my god, for a monday night TV show, I thought he pushed the blood to the max.

crazy fun.

[ZombieMan]

Yeah I thought that they pushed the blood to the max too, but I was really happy with the way it went. I enjoyed Raw on Monday, VERY much. One of the best shows that I have seen from the WWE in a long time actually. If they keep this stuff up, then they are sure to skyrocket back up in the ratings.

[insaneMoViEgoer]

spoiler from this weeks Smackdown taping Orlando Jordan beats John Cena to become the new US Champion

[carnage4u]

spoiler from this weeks Smackdown taping Orlando Jordan beats John Cena to become the new US Champion


that just helps out JBL sadly i want him to retain th title

[the1985evs]

...

[insaneMoViEgoer]

what happend to Amy Webber? i heard something on another board but all they said was, "you know why" but i dont.

[jbailey84]

well looks we'll see Cena just MIGHT win the title at WM then

[chewie]

I wished the street fight would have been on the street. hence the name of the match. I know it was cold and snowy out. hell i would have been happy if they would have gone outside for 2 minutes. WWE wrestlers have been outside when it's cold and snowy before for matches.

[carnage4u]

I wished the street fight would have been on the street. hence the name of the match. I know it was cold and snowy out. hell i would have been happy if they would have gone outside for 2 minutes. WWE wrestlers have been outside when it's cold and snowy before for matches.

hehe

then imagine how bloody the snow would have been after it.

[FVD]

what happend to Amy Webber? i heard something on another board but all they said was, "you know why" but i dont.

I read it had something to do with an incident in Japan where some strip bar over there advertised that she was gonna perform there without her knowing anything about. She was being hassled by some of the locker room which lead to her resignation.

FVD.

[ZombieMan]

I wished the street fight would have been on the street. hence the name of the match. I know it was cold and snowy out. hell i would have been happy if they would have gone outside for 2 minutes. WWE wrestlers have been outside when it's cold and snowy before for matches.

Yeah, that would have been awsome if they would have taken the fight outside for a little bit! I remember back in the day when they had the St. Valentine's Day Massacre pay-per-view, there was a hardcore match between Al Snow and Hardcore Holly. They went outside (which was February in Memphis, Tennessee which is cold.) and they fought their way into the Mississippi River. That was the most insane thing ever, I mean that river is really swift! Also it was pretty cold out that night, if I remember right, I think you could even see their breath in the air. That was one of my most memorable matches ever.

[Se7en the movie]

Or what about the hardcore match with Al Snow and the Big Boss Man which ended up across the road in a bar? That was pretty cool but I can't for the life of me remember what PPV it was....

[Colorado Cajun]

Partial Source: The Torch

This past week Matt Hardy confirmed on his personal website's messageboard that he has in fact broken up with Amy Dumas (Lita) and that reports are true that Lita has been cheating on him. What wasn't posted on Matt's site is that the person Lita was cheating on him with is actually a close friend of Matt's and a fellow WWE superstar. That superstar is EDGE. We have confirmation that Edge, who himself was recently married, has been having an affair on the road with Lita and that it was Edge's wife that contacted Matt Hardy directly about the situation.

Insider sources tell us that WWE management is extremely angry at Edge over what they consider the height of improper conduct among their employees. Edge and Matt Hardy have been close friends for several years, as both The Hardy Boyz and Edge & Christian broke into the company together and made eachothers' careers during their series of high-risk stipulation matches (inclding the innovative TLC matches) over the WWE Tag Team Championships. There is a feeling backstage that Edge's behavior with Lita is a politically crippling move that has the potential to seriously threaten his career.

Matt Hardy is currently on the sidelines with an injury but will be returning to the road on March 19th. With both Matt and Edge currently on the RAW roster, things should get pretty interesting backstage.

Now as someone who has met both Matt and Amy in person and actually spent time talking with them...that really sucks

it's all over the sites heh

[ZombieMan]

Well that really sucks about Amy Dumas and Matt Hardy breaking up but I can understand his point of view totally. If WWE is smart, they will release Edge from his contract for that little stunt because its just going to cause some major problems backstage more than likely. As for Amy, she should be put on Smackdown for her part and kept away from Matt, at least off the same roster so that there isn't any problems there. Its not always good to be in love with someone who is in your own business, and thats why my wife quit the wrestling biz, because she didn't want to cause any problems with me and my career.

[insaneMoViEgoer]

isnt edge married to val venis' sister?

[IamMrDJ]

isnt edge married to val venis' sister?

They were divorced awhile back and then Edge got re-married last fall. It was during the beginning of his HBK feud. He got married and the next night he was on Raw via Satalite from LA.

[cg124]

They were divorced awhile back and then Edge got re-married last fall. It was during the beginning of his HBK feud. He got married and the next night he was on Raw via Satalite from LA.


DJ YOUR BACK!!!!

[slinger]

I don't see them firing Edge but I do see them not giving him the title or even any title for awhile.


Stone Cold being at Wrestlemania is a great thing, HELL YEAH
and Hulk Hogan bein inducted in the Hall of Fame is just awsome, no one
right now deserves to be in the Hall of Fame more than him.

Hey have yall noticed that we talk about RAW more than Smackdown!
Why is that?

I'm sure if you go back a couple 1000 posts to when Smackdown was the better show you'll see more about SD! and less RAW and the RAW stuff would be how horrible Stiener and Katie Vick were.

[FVD]

The Katie Vick angle was lame. HHH and the necrophilia, the HLA etc. It's a shame for Steiner. He could still be good if only his back wasn't getting in the way. Who remembers when he used to execute Hurricane, uh I mean Frankensteiners ;)

FVD.

[ZombieMan]

Frankensteiners kick ass! Anyhow, I miss seeing Scott Steiner on TV. He was becoming one of my favorite superstars before he had to leave.

[IamMrDJ]

DJ YOUR BACK!!!!

Yeah I am back. I had to come back and make myself known again so I can get that personal nirthday thread when my birthday comes around in a week. I didn't think anyone really noticed I was gone for 2 months anyway.



As for Edge and Lita, both the Raw and SmackDown crews are reportedly very upset by what has happened. The Raw/SmackDown draft is coming up in a month and I would not be surprised to see either Matt or Edge change shows. I also have a feeling that they will let Matt chose what he wants to do adn where he wants to go. Looks like for the time being that Edge will be in the doghouse and will not be getting any major title shots.

[IamMrDJ]

I read it had something to do with an incident in Japan where some strip bar over there advertised that she was gonna perform there without her knowing anything about. She was being hassled by some of the locker room which lead to her resignation.

FVD.


The Japan incident was not the only reason. It stated about a week or so before the Japan trip. Amy was training and injured her taibone when she landed on it hard. She seeked out help from a trainer for her injury. When some of the SmackDown wrestlers heard about this they started teasing her because she started complaining after a small injury where they don't complain even after a more serious injury.

When they got to Japan a flyer was found for a strip club that had Amy's picture on it. The ad stated that the girl pictured "Amy" would be willing to do anything for the right price. When a couple wrestlers showed this to Amy she told them that the club stole her picture and was using it without permission. They would not let it drop and continued to harrass her about it the entire time their.

Then on the flight Japan to Alaska she was sleeping across a couple seats on the plane when she was awoken when a couple a wresters poured liquid on her. The teasing continued on the flight and when they got to Alaska she bought her own ticket home so that she would not have to fly home with the rest of the Superstars.

[ZombieMan]

It is rumored that one of the wrestlers who was ribbing her was Randy Orton in particular if anyone is interested. I have no idea who the rest were though, but if your going to be in the wrestling business then you have to be prepared to be ribbed CONSTANTLY. Especially your rookie year, and this would be considered her rookie year with the company.

[IamMrDJ]

One of the major ribbers was JBL who later apologized.

[FVD]

Frankensteiners kick ass! Anyhow, I miss seeing Scott Steiner on TV. He was becoming one of my favorite superstars before he had to leave.

Yup Scott along with his brother Rick were one of the best tag teams out there. I loved the Steiner Brothers as a tag team before BPP cut his hair and buffed out big time. Hopefully someday they'll both be inducted into the WWE Hall Of Fame. What are the chances of the Macho Man being inducted. Another year perhaps since Hogan is gonna be inducted next month.

FVD.

[onelegasy]

You can't have a good relationship when you are a wrestler in WWE.

Too much travel time.

How many of these guys actually stay married for longer than 10 years?

[ilovecandace]

taker

[ZombieMan]

Vince McMahon, lol

[onelegasy]

and?

Who else.

My point is that much time on the road = No marriage


Now for some good news:

Credit: PWInsider.com

Paul Heyman met with WWE officials last week at their offices in Stamford, CT. According to one source, Heyman was there pitching ideas for the ECW pay-per view, and may already have worked his way into the position of "consultant" for the show. If that is indeed the case, it would mean the show would be heavily influenced on the creative side by Paul Heyman and Tommy Dreamer, just like the real ECW was.

[ZombieMan]

My point is that much time on the road = No marriage


I use to be on the road a crapload and was hardly ever home, yet I'm still married. ;) :P

[onelegasy]

I'm not going to say anything about that, and I hope you are one of the lucky ones.

[ZombieMan]

LOL its all good dude.

[ChaCho]

damn that sucks

[cg124]

Yeah I am back. I had to come back and make myself known again so I can get that personal nirthday thread when my birthday comes around in a week. I didn't think anyone really noticed I was gone for 2 months anyway.

I noticed

[FVD]

Was it really that long???? Whoa time flies fast alright.

[onelegasy]

Edge Hassled By Fans At RAW Last Night; Hardy/RAW Update
Written by Frank on March 07, 2005 at 23:32:21

There were chants of "You Screed Matt" and "You Screwed Lita" at Edge during the RAW broadcast last night. A fan also held a sign up that said "Edge Speared Lita". There was also a fan with a "Matt Betrayed V1" sign and chants of "We Want Matt"

Also on commentary, Jim Ross said, "Edge is a changed man. He's not the same guy I used to talk to." Lawler asked, "You're not saying he has a split personality are you?" Ross said, "He's made some bad career choices. Everyone's against him." Jerry Lawler also stated "It's only cheating if you get caught" to end the match. More obvious 'cryptic' messages from Lawler and Ross.

As we've noted before, management is less than happy with Edge right now. For those wondering, Matt Hardy was NOT backstage at RAW last night.

[ZombieMan]

My TiVo messed up last night, so I didn't get to see Raw. I had some company over and couldn't watch it so I tried to record it. I guess I will have to look for results on the net.

[slinger]

Edge Hassled By Fans At RAW Last Night; Hardy/RAW Update
Written by Frank on March 07, 2005 at 23:32:21

There were chants of "You Screed Matt" and "You Screwed Lita" at Edge during the RAW broadcast last night. A fan also held a sign up that said "Edge Speared Lita". There was also a fan with a "Matt Betrayed V1" sign and chants of "We Want Matt"

Also on commentary, Jim Ross said, "Edge is a changed man. He's not the same guy I used to talk to." Lawler asked, "You're not saying he has a split personality are you?" Ross said, "He's made some bad career choices. Everyone's against him." Jerry Lawler also stated "It's only cheating if you get caught" to end the match. More obvious 'cryptic' messages from Lawler and Ross.

As we've noted before, management is less than happy with Edge right now. For those wondering, Matt Hardy was NOT backstage at RAW last night.

Yet he still beat Jericho. But Edge isn't winning that 6 Man Ladder Match so... But they threw in that 1 year clause for the Ladder Match. Hopefully it isn't wasted on a RAW mainevent, that whoever wins gets to face the champion at whatever PPV they want.

I did notice that commentary about Edge, I didn't watch the part with Lita did anything happen there?

[HotBoy]

Yet he still beat Jericho. But Edge isn't winning that 6 Man Ladder Match so... But they threw in that 1 year clause for the Ladder Match. Hopefully it isn't wasted on a RAW mainevent, that whoever wins gets to face the champion at whatever PPV they want.

I did notice that commentary about Edge, I didn't watch the part with Lita did anything happen there?Christy Hemme challenged Trish for the Women's Title at Wrestlemania XXI. Trish didn't take her seriously, particularly when Christy said that she was training.

Trish said that she "didn't know that Hugh Hefner did training". Christy then said that she was training with someone that Trish know all too well.

That was when Lita came out, and got into the ring. Christy gave Trish the Twist Of Fate, and she walked out with Lita.

[IamMrDJ]

Was it really that long???? Whoa time flies fast alright.

Are you trying to be sarcastic or something?

[ChaCho]

Damn what is all this buz about Matt Hardy
I mean he's a great wrestler but not to make so
much buzz about him.

[onelegasy]

[Thanks to Wade Keller from PWTorch]

-- WWE management met with Lita and Edge individually regarding their recent personal issues, they are not denying their relationship, and are saying they are in love. Right now it does not seem like management will break up the relationship like they have with others in the past.

-- According to several live reports from RAW, the live crowd was about the boo Lita when she came out. WWE however put her music on just at the right time to come over the booing. There were also several anti-Edge chants.

-- Two veterans in WWE, amongst others, claim that Edge will most likely be viewed as “the bad guy” out of the whole situation. It appears that there isn’t really an “other side of the story” about the incident, according to the sources there isn’t even a hint of anything that would suggest that Matt Hardy was treating Lita badly. At this point in time it doesn’t look like the break up had anything to do with Matt, but rather had to do with Lita and Edge traveling together and bonding.



Now keep in mind. Lita was with Matt, and Edge is married and has a kid.

I feel sorry for matt, and edge's family.

Edge will be a heel for a long time now.

[onelegasy]

*Long read* :(

http://www.seanwaltman.com/statement.html

Statement Regarding the Surreal Life Episode 7 that aired 3-6-05

I want to comment on the Surreal Life episode 7 in which I appeared. First of all, I had no intention of even going up to the house where they were filming the show. I had not heard from Joanie since the morning she left, which was 6 or 7 days. We had been getting along very well at the time and I was very sad that she was leaving for 13 days and she promised me that she would keep in contact and we would even see each other at some point during that time. So when I had not even received a phone call, I decided to send her some flowers.

When I went to deliver the flowers to her, the directors asked me if I would like to bring them up and give them to her myself. Obviously they did not tell her I would be coming up and when I arrived, she was not too happy to see me as everyone watching could tell. I was told that I could only stay about 15 minutes by the directors, as they had to get ready to shoot a movie or something the next morning. After Joanie introduced me to everyone, she said "I'll show you around the house."

As soon as we were away from everyone else, Joanie started going off on me. At that point I figured it would be a good idea to leave. However, Joanie said no and I followed her outside to the pool. That whole part where she started going off on me was edited out of the show. They showed us walking out to the pool and then they edited out about the next 30 minutes or so of her antics and over-acting for the cameras. Everything from her saying, "How much did you get for the tape" - referring to the sex tape - to which I simply shut her down by saying something like, "You mean the one you told me you destroyed and then talked about selling on Howard Stern while I was in rehab?"

She tried to accuse me in front of the cameras of abusing her and I had to remind her that this has never happened and that she struck me in the face several times breaking my nose and destroyed my apartment, causing me to be evicted, because she found out I slept with Jenna Jameson four years prior to her and I getting together.

At that point the directors said I needed to go so they could get back on schedule. I agreed and was ready to go when Joanie started crying and saying she was sorry and she loved me. It was Joanie who refused to let me leave and wanted me to stay there with her. She knew that if she told me not to go, that I would not leave unless the police came and dragged me out in handcuffs. We were trying to calm her down and one of the directors asked me if they could go get the rest of the cast to come out . I thought it was a good idea and said yes. When they came out, they were trying to talk her into coming inside and it wasn't working. She kept telling them to leave her be and started getting even more upset. That's when I lost my temper and told everyone to "back the F*** off".

Da'Brat seemed to take that like I was saying it directly to her and disrespecting her. I immediately apologized several times, but she wasn't hearing it. At one point I said something about taking her out of there with me. She agreed and said she was going. They threatened some legal action and asked why I would want to ruin her career. I think I said something like, "This show isn't going to make or break her career" and mentioned the fact that they had already threatened to sue her before the show even started. I told them that I would produce a doctor's note saying she was mentally unstable at the time and that their contract wouldn't mean sh--. I told them that after six or seven days they had to realize this woman has some serious problems. They agreed.

Joanie then got naked and went in the hot tub. I was going to join her and was told I couldn't. If I did she would be kicked out of the house. Finally she just went inside without saying anything. I got really pissed off at that point and I wasn't going to leave until she said it was okay.

After about 20 minutes of me going off on everyone, they said Joanie was coming out and that they were going to shoot her and I saying good bye to each other. That's exactly what happened and then I appologized to the production crew and directors for losing my temper. I got in my truck and as I was driving out a police cruiser was pulling up and stopped me and asked me if I was "the boyfriend" that was causing problems. Someone from the show told the officer that it wasn't me and I left.

Before I left, I was given all the production phone numbers and the direct line to the house. The phone call I made to the house that Da"Brat answered was from about three days later. I received a call from one of the directors saying Joanie was in the house and it was a good time to call. So I called and Da'Brat answered. When I ask for Joanie, she told me Joanie was on a date with someone that treated her well and not to call any more.

I don't really blame the other cast members for thinking I must be an "abusive *******" as Jane (the lady from the GoGo's) said. I'm sure Joanie told them the same things she has tried to tell so many others about me. I do think it's really lame for the producers of that show to not only edit the footage to make me look as bad as possible, but to actually call me and tell me to call the house so I could be told my girlfriend (at the time) was on a date. I even asked them before I left, "Please don't edit this to make me look like a bigger ass than I already made myself look."

I guess maybe I was asking for it when I wrote the letter to Midless Entertainment that was posted on my website insinuating they were bottom feeders if they didn't want to help Joanie with her problems.

If anyone from Mindless Entertainment would like to dispute anything I have stated here, I challenge you to do so. If you are honest with everyone, then there is no way you possibly can.

Sean Waltman

March 9, 2005

[carnage4u]

wow
drama within a drama

i like the fake drama more.. its amsuing.. the RL drama going on is just sad and pathetic

[IamMrDJ]

This was posted on Rajah a couple of minutes ago.

Breaking News: WWE Done with SpikeTV
Filed under: News- Henry Walk @ 9:17 pm EST
Spike has officially bowed out of negotiations with WWE, posting the following press release today:

NEW YORK, March 10 /PRNewswire/ — Spike TV ends talks with the WWE. “After several months of negotiations, we have decided to end our discussions about extending our relationship with the WWE beyond September 2005. Moving forward, Spike TV will expand its investments in original programming and new acquisitions for its core audience.”

Negotiations have been back and forth, but it appears as WWE will be heading back to the USA network. We’ll keep you posted.


Bye Bye Spike, Hello USA one more time. I hope they stopped getting bumped for Tennis and the Dog Show though.

[insaneMoViEgoer]

theres a rumor going around that TNA wants to replace Raw on Spike TV

from BackstageWrestling.com (http://www.backstagewrestling.com/article.php?articleid=112563441)
We have some major news that has the possibility of changing the landscape of pro wrestling as we know it. In a press statement released this week, SpikeTV announced, "After several months of negotiations, we have decided to end our discussions about extending our relationship with WWE beyond September 2005. Moving forward, Spike TV will expand its investments in original programming and new acquisitions for its core audience."

Wherever RAW winds up, With WWE leaving SpikeTV in September, that leaves a HUGE opening in Spike's Monday night primetime slot. There is a lot of speculation that TNA representatives will be meeting with SpikeTV and Viacom very shortly about the possibility of TNA taking over RAW's timeslot.

At this time, it is unknown whether or not WWE and SpikeTV have a no-complete clause whereas SpikeTV could not air another wrestling program in RAW's timeslot for a certain period of time. If this is not the case, SpikeTV can begin airing a weekly Monday night TNA show immediately and steal the momentum left behind from RAW. As hard as WWE would try to alert their fans that they were switching networks, there would still be a large portion of their audience that would tune into SpikeTV the week after RAW was gone out of habit.

Theoretically, if WWE's contract with Spike ended immediately following the end of the last RAW broad cast, TNA could air "Monday Night Impact" RIGHT AFTER RAW was over. This would be a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity for TNA to seize that opportunity and reignite the Monday Night Wars. We will have more on this blockbuster story as it develops.

[IamMrDJ]

Right now both WWE and Spike TV are under some sort of Gag order when it comes to talking about the contract bewteen the two. WWE was shopping around to toher networks mainly USA for a couple of months now due to the lack of interest SPike TV had shown recently in WWE programming. It is looking like more CSI programing will be taking the place of WWE time slots in the future. TNA and Spike TV have not had any contact as of yet regarding TNA taking WWE's spot.

When WWE was shopping around they were turned down by FX, TNT, and TBS which does not bode well for other wrestling organizations who are looking for a TV deal, especially a wrestling organization that does not have a fan base nearly half as large as that of the WWE.

[IamMrDJ]

Damn what is all this buz about Matt Hardy
I mean he's a great wrestler but not to make so
much buzz about him.

Have you seen some of Matt Hardy's old matches with Jeff and also on his own. He is a great competitor. The buzz is not just because of the type of wrestler he is, it is also because of the type of person he is. When he was back in the ring and Lita was rehabbing before coming back last time Matt was always wanting to get home to be with Lita. When the other guys would want to go out and go to a party Matt would go back to his hotel so he could call up Lita to see how she was doing. Matt was always staying in contact with Lita no matter where he went and all the other wrestlers knew this so they would not try to pressure him to go out when they knew he wouldn't. When Matt got injured and Lita started traveling with Edge, MAtt was left at home and could do nothing else. Matt and Edge were great friends. Matt and Lita were at Edge's wedding last Fall. Matt's father went to watch Lita win the women's title in December when Matt could not travel. After Lita got injured and was spending more time with Matt is when things started to come out. Matt started to figure things out when he intercepted a phone call from Edge's wife and when he confronted Lita about it she lied and said nothing was going on.

Matt has always been a loyal and hardworking WWE employee which are the exact employees they like having around. Having this happen and stab one of thier loyal employees in the back also stabs them in the back in a way because it was caused by another employee. If your good frined stabbed you in the back wouldn't you be ticked off and don't you think the place you two met and worked would be mad as well. MAtt did nothing wrong in this situation at all and that is why the WWE seems to be siding with him with their remarks about Edge the other night.

[wingman]

damn the ladder match brings back memories of the hardy boyz.

damn i miss those TLCs.

[BWSword]

Who you guys think going to win that money ladder match that has edge, shelton, chris, kane, christian, y2j?

[Se7en the movie]

Wait....Kane is in this ladder match?! Why?

[slinger]

Who you guys think going to win that money ladder match that has edge, shelton, chris, kane, christian, y2j?

The winner gets a title match anytime they want and it expires in 12 months. Hopefully Vince has some sort of plan not, oh I need a good main event for RAW in MSG I'll have ____ use his money in the bank thing.

Shelton still has the IC so I don't think so.

Edge might've had he not cheated. However, Batista winning at WM is the best thing for business. And then at Backlash it most likely would be a WM rematch. After that he's going to need some good heels to face, so there is a chance but a very small one.

A heel Benoit, newly traded Angle would be good challengers for Batista's title.

Christian has had many memorable ladder matches in the past, but he's still not No.1 Contender material. I know he was injured, but what happened with him and Trish are they still a 'couple'?

Jericho only appears in title matches when the Elimination Chamber is set up. Onscreen he started this whole thing so maybe he'll win it. He's due for a win, with a crappy WM record.

Benoit won last year in one of my favourite WM matches. Probably the favourite to win after his best year last year.

Kane has probably the worst 'title match wins/title matches' ratio in the WWE. So I don't expect him to win.

[IamMrDJ]

Wait....Kane is in this ladder match?! Why?

He is a last minute substitution. MAtt Hardy was suppose to be in the match but with what happened with Edge and Lita they decided against it.

[BWSword]

He is a last minute substitution. MAtt Hardy was suppose to be in the match but with what happened with Edge and Lita they decided against it.

I didn't know (because I missed that raw) that lita went against matt hardy. :confused: for Kane.

[IamMrDJ]

I didn't know (because I missed that raw) that lita went against matt hardy. :confused: for Kane.

Read back a few pages in this thread. Lita cheated on her real life boyfriend Matt Hardy with his good friend Edge. WWE decided against having Matt in the match because they did not want to have a real fight start at Mania between the two.

[FVD]

Are you trying to be sarcastic or something?

No not at all. It's just that I never even realised that you'd been away. Nothing to take the wrong way my friend :)

[FVD]

...and I gotta say this. I can't help but feel sorry for Matt Hardy. Not having him in the Ladder match is very unfortunate. He would have added to the match that's for sure.

...and no Smackdown recaps from last week? The destroying of Cena's US Title, Cena FUing Teddy Long, Carlito looking for Undertaker etc. I'm interested in the Kurt Angle match where he's inviting Marty Janetty to a match just to infuriate HBK some more for this week.

I recall Shawn Michaels wanting to talk things out with Janetty. Did that ever happen?

FVD.

[BWSword]

I would like to see the match between big show and the other big guy in a sumo match.

[Se7en the movie]

I would like to see the match between big show and the other big guy in a sumo match.

Yeah! Then stick them in monster trucks! THEN put Hulk Hogan in there for good measure!


ANYWAY, really looking forward to Janetty's return, that is if he does return. So I understand his shoot interview is priceless.

[onelegasy]

Feel sorry for Matt.

Kane ladder match??

[carnage4u]

i missed 90% of last smackddown.. I did like the Tombstone that carlito took. very mean looking.. missed all the cena stuff

[chewie]

The Situation between Matt/Lita/Edge happens to a few people in this country. What I mean is that it's just too bad that it happens to anybody.

[onelegasy]

I pray that Marty potatos Shawn and knocks him out.

There is no way in hell that Marty will win cleanly against Shawn.

EVER.

[chewie]

It was good to see Jake the Snake and the reunion of the Rockers.

[BWSword]

I missed raw but I saw randy orton get the snake the rko and I couldn't find the rockers in action :(

[carnage4u]

What a silly crazy night. First We see crazy crack smoking Jake the snake, and he even though he was out of shape as ever, he still had a moment or two an got the crowd going when he was smack talking randy orton.

The rockers reunion was very amusing as well. from their music to their ring action to even the classic leave the ring moves.


Not to mention some good matches inbetween..
a very good raw in my opinion.

[DangerMouse]

What was the scoop on Janetty?

Didn't he originally leave pro wrestling because of some incident with a jobber?

[BWSword]

so we need to vote for thursday night smackdown Kurt or janetty?

[LS2002]

Why do I have a feeling Marty is going to cost HBK the match at WM.

[carnage4u]

Well i hope kurt comes to the ring and has people come behind him carrying a pane of window glass so after the match, he can throw him thru it.


--- i never got to see janetty go thru the pane of glass back in the day, but hear how great it was.


i do hope that Kurt beats shawn so Undertaker beats Randy orton because i will be annoyed if UT loses as it would be dumb.

not dumb in an advance an storyline mode.. just dumb as stupid arab american angles dumb.

[ZombieMan]

I was REALLY glad to see Marty Janetty wrestle on Raw last night and I look forward to this Thursday! Jake "I smoke too much crack" Roberts was totally silly last night and I was shocked to see him. I don't care for him much anymore after I've heard his stories and stuff. I use to like him growing up and watching wrestling but screw that. I'm glad that Orton gave him the RKO. ;)

[DangerMouse]

Where exactly are they going with the Rockers angle?

It seemed like JR and King kept saying it was a one time thing, but then alluded to a bonafide return to competition.

I honestly hope they don't have Jannetty turn heel or something stupid like that.

[ZombieMan]

I hope that Janetty sticks around for at least a year or so. Maybe longer even! That would be really cool. It looks like he is still in great shape and he really wrestled up a storm. I'm still very impressed with his performance! :)

[filmstudent04]

ya, but it really seemed as thought janetty was in pretty good shape...and idk bout eveyone else...but i kinda liked have jake the snake show some heat towards randy... i really wished however, that he busted out the 12 inch...and i wouldnt be surprised if janetty did turn on shawn at wrestlemania...i kinda think it would be interesting...

[carnage4u]

i was amazed Janetty was in such good shape.

we kept joking last night while watching that he was practicing all these years in his room waiting for his chance to be a rocker again.. Even had the over the top dive to get the tag when not needed move by Michaels..


i dont care how this angle goes, but i want someone thru a glass window somewhere during it.

[chewie]

I don't think Janetty is going to stick around.

[BWSword]

how well did he do monday night? I missed it...:(

[chewie]

He looked pretty good in the ring and he scored the pinfall in the match with La Resistance.

[HotBoy]

HBK looked a little off, (then again, he hasn't been a Rocker in a looooooong time)!!!

Marty Janetty looked liked he hasn't missed a beat.

[carnage4u]

No comments from smackdown at all?
damm.

I really dont want UT to lose against randy orton, but every time they mention UT is 12 -0 at wrestlemania i take his odds of winning down by 10% so hes already at Negative 190% to win.. so yeah, thinks look like crap.

[BWSword]

I enjoy smackdown. john cena couldn't touch JBL till wrestlemania. He got a new entrance music. what you guys think?

[ChaCho]

John Cena damn he better keep his cool with JBL. He wants that title bad and he better take anger management to stay focused until Wrestlemania.
Undertaker WILL NOT LOOSE at Wrestlemania.
He IS WRESTLEMANIA!!!!!!!!!!
he will not leave April 3rd 12-1
Randy Orton is a great wrestler, but slappin him in the face? man.....
He's Done It Now, He's Done A Big Mistake!

[BWSword]

that for sure...

[Dio]

Undertaker Vs Randy Ortan will kick some major ass. Two of my favorite wrestlers of all time. What a blast. :)

JBL Vs Cena hmmmmm... I'm not really a big fan of both but I hope that it will an excellent fight as well.

But I can't wait till Batista kicks Triple H's ass at Wrestlemania.

[Kyle Katarn]

Just can't get into it anymore...but I DID pick up The King's book for a song the other day and it's great! Jerry Lawler is a man after my own heart...he's never touched booze or cigarettes, his only vice stems from the fact that he 'wants some' all the time! :applaud:

[ChaCho]

They Got JBL vs Cena
thats it wow.......... they only got a one All Smackdown! match
damn.. thats sad

[slinger]

They Got JBL vs Cena
thats it wow.......... they only got a one All Smackdown! match
damn.. thats sad

What else does RAW have besides the HHH/Batista Championship Match? The least interesting WM Women's Title match in the past few years and the lazy booking Ladder Match. I don't see anything else happening since the tag team division is a mess.

Well the Smackdown stars with WM matches are: JBL, Cena, Undertaker, Angle and Big Show. Crusierweight match will surely follow and they'll probably throw something together with mulitple wrestlers for the US Title. Plus a possible Eddie/Mysterio match. Though they are cutting it close.

RAW -3, SD! -1, IP-2, Sumo -1

[Dio]

I think Christy Vs Trish Status will be a very hot match.

[BWSword]

I bet trish is going for the win...but lita will distract the ref to let christy go for the pin.

[slinger]

Early WM Predictions

HHH/Batista - Batista
JBL/Cena - JBL
Angle/HBK - Angle
Orton/Taker - Orton
Ladder Match - Jericho
Sumo Match - Show
Women's - Christy

[ZombieMan]

Here are my picks so far...

HHH/Batista - Batista
JBL/Cena - Cena
Angle/HBK - Angle
Orton/Taker - Orton
Ladder Match - Jericho
Sumo Match - Akebono
Women's - Christy

[BWSword]

HHH/Batista - Batista
JBL/Cena - Cena
Angle/HBK - Angle
Orton/Taker - taker
Ladder Match - kane
Sumo Match - Akebono
Women's - Christy

[onelegasy]

I'm going for the ones that won't make any sense.

HHH
JBL
Taker
Kane
Show
Christy.

I know I will be right.

[carnage4u]

I'm going for the ones that won't make any sense.

HHH
JBL
Taker
Kane
Show
Christy.

I know I will be right.



id be happy if this happened, minus HHH winning.

so for me

Batista
JBL
Taker
Kane
Show
Christy.



If taker loses,, ugh... i cant even say it......

[jbailey84]

HHH/Batista - Batista
JBL/Cena - Cena
Angle/HBK - Angle
Orton/Taker - Taker
Ladder Match - Jericho
Sumo Match - Akebono
Women's - Trish

[ChaCho]

HHH/Batista - Batista is AN ANIMAL he has shown more potential than anyone i have seen in a long ass time, he has been incredebly dominat, and i would love nothin more than to see him DESTROY Triple HHH, but i dont think thats gonna happen, see when it comes to Triple HHH loosin at Wrestlemania is something very rare, last year it took two great wrestlers to make him loose, i see HHH coming out World Champion.

JBL/Cena - Cena is a great wrestler, just like Batista, but he isnt WWE Champion material yet, he has done great things and showed a lot of strength but for him to win the WWE Championship at Wrestlemania.... it aint gonna happen, i hate JBL, but again he will keep the belt, but not for too long after Wrestlemania....

Angle/HBK - Angle will loose that match and get beaten like a goverment mule i said it before now, if you try to mess Shawn Michaels in a match dont ever do it in the Royal Rumble or Wrestlemania or it could be the last thing you do, HBK is gonna blow Hollywood with Sweet Chin Music.

Orton/Taker - Orton... i lost all respect for that guy.. all of it... when he slapped The Undertaker he blew it big time! i thought what he wanted was a nice Legend vs Legend Killer match, a contest, a sportsman contest, not disrespect the greatest wrestler ever!!! The Undertaker is the greatest wrestler ever, HE WILL NOT LOOSE AT WRESTLEMANIA, the day The Undertaker looses at Wrestlemania will be the day he retires, mark my words. Taker will leave Wrestlemania 13-0.

Ladder Match - The Ladder Match, i dunno about this match all these wrestlers have a big chance at winning, except edge and Christian, all this wrestlers are great in the ring, but to pick a winner i would have to go and pick Kane, Kane is easily the strongest and biggest man in the match, and it would be great to see hin challenge for the World Title, he has put some great matches when it comes to challenging for that title.

Sumo Match - Another match i dunno the who to pick, both these man persons are the strongest and biggest man in each side of the world, and seeing them in a match, a SUMO MATCH i pick Akebono, i mean its his field, its his yard and counting that Big Show has never been on that kind of match is hard to see him winning, he might get lost in that match.

Women's Title - Christy is my pick, she is a great person who is even being trained by a great woman wrestler, i see her pulling a nice victory against Trish, lets wait until wrestlemania.

[slinger]

id be happy if this happened, minus HHH winning.

so for me

Batista
JBL
Taker
Kane
Show
Christy.

If taker loses,, ugh... i cant even say it......

See that's why I think Taker will lose. Orton would become hated by the fans, just like HHH is hated by fans - that kind a status. People at airports would be more hostile towards him.
Orton may move to Thursday and defeat Taker at a later PPV in a Hell in a Cell but they have a chance to really do something memorable. Orton poses a real threat, Taker has faced Kane (again), Big Show and A-Train in the past two years. He would become FAMOUS. Taker would still have an impressive record, hopefully they don't use some stupid ending with a DQ or countout.

JBL I see retaining. Since they started the two championships at WM, one champ has retained (HHH, Eddie) while another has lost (Angle, HHH). And if they're going to have one challenger win it, Batista is the man. Now they could go with Cena too. I don't know. They kinda just threw this feud together after Cena became the No.1. It should last a little longer if Cena is going to become champ. Also they can sell the next SD!PPV with the Cena/JBL rematch instead of this match being promoted along with about 3 other main events. Cena winning might get lost in the mix with Batista/HHH, Angle/HBK and Taker/Orton and even the ladder match could steal the show.
So Cena's win would be better where its the main event, last match thing.

Christy has the Playboy issue now and its a way to please the fans, but I don't see Christy being champ for too long. Probably lose it on RAW.

For the sumo match, that's a toss up. Would Vince allow an outsider who has no future with the company defeat one of his own?

[FVD]

My predictions:

HHH/Batista: Batista
JBL/Cena: JBL
Orton/UT: Orton
Ladder Match: Jericho
Angle/HBK: Angle
Sumo Match: Big Show
Stratus/Hemme: Hemme

I have a feeling that JBL will retain the title with some further outside interference. I'm liking JBL as a character as the weeks go by. He's proven what a great heel he's become. Now if only sometime that they bring back Farooq (go back to the name Ron Simmons) so they can get into a feud. Sure he got the boot due to some wrongdoings but they all come back don't they. I'd like to see his reaction to JBL's success since he was angry at him the night he walked out of the building.

The Angle/HBK match though I voted HBK I have a feeling that Marty Janetty will have a hand in the match. I have a feeling that he'll turn on HBK and Michaels may still try to find a way of winning the match. It's happened before. Apparently Janetty has recently signed to be on Raw for a while now so a feud between the former Rockers is likely.

And for the Orton/Undertaker match. I feel Orton may do it here. After the match I could probably see them shake hands out of respect like the Hogan/Rock match from a couple years ago. And what a match that was.

Looking forward to WM21 plus the Hall Of Fame. I hear that Sylvester Stallone will be personally inducting Hogan. I'll be looking forward to that. And Piper's Pit with Stone Cold is gonna be a riot.

FVD.

[FVD]

...and how about that Angle/Janetty match last week? Janetty really put up a fight. Great match. He looked a little rusty in places but he'll get it all back.

[slinger]

...and how about that Angle/Janetty match last week? Janetty really put up a fight. Great match. He looked a little rusty in places but he'll get it all back.

Very entertaining match. Tuned in just to see that.

And Shelton tonight, he's on his way.

So who do you think will be the new members of Evolution? They might not use new members, but it made Orton and Batista so why not try it again? Could Batista start his own stable perhaps?

[LS2002]

Hey does anybody know where I could Possiblity download all the WM Commercials?

[insaneMoViEgoer]

not sure where you can download them, but you can watch them all on the official site.

[carnage4u]

See that's why I think Taker will lose. Orton would become hated by the fans, just like HHH is hated by fans - that kind a status. People at airports would be more hostile towards him.


i agree thats why orton will win.

The diference to me is this

OFten someone I like loses and its a bummer, but oh well, but if UT loses at WM it will just be annoying and to Orton it will be an insult.. one which might make me just go watch somethign else.. maybe im lame for that, but in the end... theres other stuff on tv.

[LS2002]

I have a really bad feeling Orton is going to win. I really think this is Undertakers Last WM and if it is you have to end the winning streak one way or another. Orton is already returing to heel status and if they let him win he will be over as a heel than he could ever be.

[LS2002]

It is probable Steve Austin will wrestle this year. The leading candidate to be his opponent is Hassan. As it stands right now, look for a Hassan run-in at WrestleMania 21, possibly during the Piper's pit with Austin to set this up. More as we get it.

[filmstudent04]

It is likely that Orton may win, considering that the Senior wrestlers usually have to "put over" the youngens...however, they could also look at it this way-that he (taker) has done so much for the business that they may let him have one last win...but maybe towards the end some mysterious person may come back to haunt taker...? I mean Orton said he is going to shock people...that could me that he is going to win, or it could me he will go to large expenses to cause taker to lose. I think it would be cool if Orton brought back Ted Dibiase the million dollar man to stop taker, considering Dibiase introduced taker to wwf. And what was up with Orton RKOing stacy (first of all we all know he isnt going to get any action from women anymore because of that!haha jk)? What was the point of the message, was he saying he wont let any distractions get in his way?
Other predictions...I kinda feel as though the HHH Batista match could be up in the air, and it could be possible that HHH will win at Mania, however, Batista would get his rematch at the next ppv. Again im not sure about this one, because well, usually they do a couple of weeks where the opponent is beaten a couple times, well Batista just has been on a roll, soooo Im not exactly sure who is goin to win....im kinda leanin towards HHH will win however i would love for him not to.
I agree with everyone in thinking that Janetty will mess up HBK against angle, and i kinda like this feud, its old but refreshed kinda...still would love to have hbk win it though...
I kinda think Jericho will win the ladder as well, orrr possibly Edge, but i dont want him to win.
The sumo match should be pretty cool to watch i mean holy shiiii T, two huge giants in the ring...What kind of moves will they be able to pull off besides the chokeslam and sumo splash!?
Another question....do you think wwe will invite celebrities like they used to to this yrs mania, considering they are saying they are going hollywood?
Cya

[ZombieMan]

I don't think that we will see Ted Dibiase in the WWE that soon. Because he is working some World League Wrestling dates in May and usually the WWE doesn't lone their stars to indy leagues if they are under contract. Mick Foley came to WLW once (when I was there working for WLW.) while he was still under contract with WWE, but it was a favor from Mr. McMahon to Harley. But, I do know this...Dibiase is in talks with WWE for signing onto the company this summer to possibly take on some writing roles (creative team member), or do anything else needed backstage.

[jbailey84]

Hey does anybody know where I could Possiblity download all the WM Commercials? just go to wwe.com and its under Wrestlemania.

i dont know if anyone has heard about this, i read it at rajah.com

Late Saturday night (3/19) WWE SmackDown Superstar Shannon Moore was involved in a head-on collision with a fairly high ranking sergeant in the US Army near Fort Bragg. A resident of Whispering Pines, NC, Moore was returning home from meeting with friends from the WWE RAW roster following their show at the Crown Coliseum in Fayetteville, NC. Moore was driving his Hummer and was hit head-on by the soldier, who was arrested for drunken driving. Moore was being followed home by fellow WWE Superstar Matt Hardy, who lives nearby. Hardy had been in the lead, but Moore had passed him when the accident happen. Had Hardy been hit instead of Moore, he would probably have been killed as he was driving a Corvette. Moore is injured, and it is unknown how long it will be before he is able to return to competition at WWE.

[ChaCho]

See as no one in this site seems to think straight.... The Undertaker is not gonna loose, he just wont, done.
if Orton was to bring someone to distract Taker, not make him loose, it will be Paul Bearer. As it shows in some history, Paul Bearer has done some wrong things to Taker, like turning his back on him and siding with Kane, and actually making him loose some matches, but even if he comes back The Undertaker wont loose, he just wont.
Janetty as i know he left HBK's side as a feud, after so many years i dont think he would try and mess him up, i mean there is no point, he doesnt have a long time contract as i know, so messin him up for what? HBK will obviously look for some revenge but to who Angle? why? he would look for Janetty but he aint there... wow im ust sayin the same stuff over and over again hahaha.
anyways just two more weeks and Wrestlemania 21 is here.

[Dio]

See as no one in this site seems to think straight....

Can you be atleast nice for once? Jeezzzz.... ;)

[slinger]

The Undertaker wont loose, he just wont.


Oh ok, thanks for clearing that up.

[LS2002]

Well take this with a grain of Salt. The backlash poster was released last night it has HHH on it but get this without the heavyweight title. So maybe that's a spoiler for WM who knows.

[filmstudent04]

Chacho,...it's spelled LOSE not LOOSE, they are two different words kid! And this is where you fail to realize that sometimes the wwe writes storylines a certain way in order for feuds to continue...it is quite possible that Taker could LOSE, now do we want him to...no absolutely not, but is it possible? yes. Why? Because of many reasons...A)Taker could want some time off for a little bit and maybe take a month off or two. B) Usually the Older more experienced wrestlers are hassled about putting over a younger wrestler. Hogan has done it, HBK has done it, many superstars have done it, this could be just another case where they put over randy orton, we may never know. C) Paul Bearer!? there was a reason why paul bearer didnt stay on too long in the first place, it is more than likely that he wouldnt come back...
And as for your Janetty prediction...it is more than possible that this feud would happen considering that HBK threw Janetty through the glass window and their feud could pick up again...it has happened many times in the wrestling history where suddenly a good friend turns quickly against his other friend. So dont be so passive to things...wrestling is actually pretty predictable in most cases...i suggest looking at prowrestling.com or backstagewrestling.com to find out information...most of the time wrestling is somewhat predictable....except of course Ortons RKO on stacy this past monday night, i never saw that coming, specially after he made out with her...oh that lucky bastard!!

[ChaCho]

hahahaha, filmstudent yeah you could be right. But i just know The Undertaker wont 'lose'.
Randy Orton is a young superstar that needs to be put well into a good role, yes, but not defeating The Undertaker, if it would have been on a different PPV yes, but not Wrestlemania.
You say Hogan has done it, and HBK too, but i bet they didnt do it on the best thing theyre good at.
about the feud, you could be right, i mean when HBK came back and HHH attacked him when they were about to form D-X again, took me by surprise so janetty could be thinkin on turnin on HBK
but i still feel HBK will win.

[Rogue]

See as no one in this site seems to think straigh

You don't like it? I'll be glad to escort you to the door and give you the option of permanently being logged out. Don't insult other posters or their opinions. If you disagree, do it respectfully. Don't go around saying no one here thinks clearly.

As for your opinion on Taker -- he is one of my favorites. I hate to see him lose but the fact that they keep saying he's undefeated at PPV events means there's something on the rise. I'd hate to see him lose to Orton but people like Orton is where the money's at now. Granted, I'll be disappointed if Taker loses to Orton but let's be realistic. I love Taker but I'll be incredibly shocked if he wins this one.

[insaneMoViEgoer]

with the recent crowd reactions against Orton, they might reconsider having Taker lose.

[slinger]

hahahaha, filmstudent yeah you could be right. But i just know The Undertaker wont 'lose'.
Randy Orton is a young superstar that needs to be put well into a good role, yes, but not defeating The Undertaker, if it would have been on a different PPV yes, but not Wrestlemania.
You say Hogan has done it, and HBK too, but i bet they didnt do it on the best thing theyre good at.

No, Hogan and HBK have both lost at WrestleMania. Championship matches too. When you think of those two what thing comes to mind? WrestleMania.

[BWSword]

what you guys felt watching stacy get RKO by randy orton on raw?

[ChaCho]

Rouge calm down.
Im just playin, im givin my opinion like everyone elses. Im not sayin my opinion is much better than everyone elses here.
Is just that im addresing my point of view with jokes. so calm down.

[onelegasy]

Is this a serious forum all of a sudden?

[DangerMouse]

I'm not sure where they're going with Orton, but at this point I think a win over Undertaker wouldn't have the effect they're looking for.

Even with a heel turn, I don't think its the right way to go.

But what do you do with Orton's character. The angle with HHH where Orton was the challenger that couldn't retain the belt really hurt Orton's face character in my opinion.

Beating Taker at WM would hurt Orton's heel character as well.

[ZombieMan]

As for your opinion on Taker -- he is one of my favorites. I hate to see him lose but the fact that they keep saying he's undefeated at PPV events means there's something on the rise. I'd hate to see him lose to Orton but people like Orton is where the money's at now. Granted, I'll be disappointed if Taker loses to Orton but let's be realistic. I love Taker but I'll be incredibly shocked if he wins this one.

I think that Rogue is right. Everything seems to be playing out as if Orton will get the win. They are making a bigger deal out of the Undertaker being undefeated at WM.

[slinger]

Beating Taker at WM would hurt Orton's heel character as well.

How so? He does have the injured shoulder so that might cause Taker to win. But Taker fans would actually hate Orton. They could even start Orton's undeated streak at WrestleMania (Mick Foley, The Rock, Undertaker - that's quite impressive already if that happened) It would be interesting to see them bring back that little news thing where Randy would interupt and give an update on his condition.

[Rogue]

Smackdown was okay tonight. I loved what they did with Taker and the "beast awakening" thing. Was using Dupree as the target unrelated or are they going to start something with it? Oh well, it was damn cool either way. That tombstone on the steps was wicked.

The Cena/JBL thing was pretty fun. Loved the water/10 gallon hat thing. I wonder if JBL will actually drop it to Cena though? I really hope so, I'm pretty damn tired of JBL.

Rey/Eddie should be great at Mania. Both of them are great entertainers. The HBK video package was okay, added a bit of depth to the feud. I hated seeing Angle try to sing and dance around like HBK, turned my stomach. The man is NOT built to be sexy. :funny:

I haven't watched much WWE lately because of my work schedule so uh..who the hell is Michelle McCool?

[ZombieMan]

I'm not real sure of Michelle McCool either, but I think that she might have been on the Raw Diva Search. I could be wrong though.

[BWSword]

man what you guys think of big show lifting the jeep over and watching luther trying to do it. next week they are suppose to be weighing themselves?

[ChaCho]

Kurt Angle is playin with fire i think. He is tryin to mimic stuff he shouldnt be messin with. Kurt is going down at Mania.
Eddie and Rey are great wrestlers, but putting them in a match at Mania isnt worth it. they have fought in Smackdown! before and Rey won, instead of making that match at Mania, they should have done what they did last year a four team eliminitaion for the Tag Title. They could put nice wrestlers into that match. Haas and Holly made a great tag team i think, brought some old school to the ring tonight, they could have put forgotten well skilled wrestlers in that match instead of making a match already seen in a normal show.
Undertaker is not gonna loose at Mania, i just know he is, i am gonna be very well surprised if he loses, ill get a shock! Undertaker comin to my opinion is gonna KILL at Mania.

[Rogue]

I'm not real sure of Michelle McCool either, but I think that she might have been on the Raw Diva Search. I could be wrong though.


I think you're right. I dunno though..she doesn't strike me as great diva material in the future. She just lacks something -- and it isn't silicone. That's for sure.

I like your signature, Zombie. ;) Cracks me up.

[BWSword]

I believe maybe next week on smackdown eddie and ray will defend their titles but lose them as they go into WM21 and that will get them pumped up. Chavo sure likes to bother eddie every week also.

[Rogue]

Perhaps Chavo bothering Eddie will lead him into a turn at WM21? Maybe he's going to ditch Rey and turn again?

[carnage4u]

UT was indeed in good form.. Great tombstone on the steps.
The kurt angle thing had my laughing hard and also a little disturbed.

I would love to see JBL win, as he is a wrestling god and is great on the Mic.. "4 more years of JBL please"

eddie/mysterio -- meh.. i will be a fun match, but nothing i really care about.. I like eddie a lot though.

big show match will be annoying i think and end with either him losing quickly and fairly or winning by cheating

[ZombieMan]

I think you're right. I dunno though..she doesn't strike me as great diva material in the future. She just lacks something -- and it isn't silicone. That's for sure.

I like your signature, Zombie. ;) Cracks me up.

Yeah I don't think that she is diva material either. She's not really that appealing to me. Oh and thanks for the comment on my signature, lol, I thought it was pretty funny too. ;) :P

[DangerMouse]

How so? He does have the injured shoulder so that might cause Taker to win. But Taker fans would actually hate Orton. They could even start Orton's undeated streak at WrestleMania (Mick Foley, The Rock, Undertaker - that's quite impressive already if that happened) It would be interesting to see them bring back that little news thing where Randy would interupt and give an update on his condition.

Its just they way they've set it up. No rhyme or reason. Granted, that's right on par with the way story lines are being written in the WWE. I just don't think a heel switch for Orton would be good for his character. But it's obvious that's where they're going with him.

Where I think it hurts his character the most though is what happens after Wrestle Mania?

They're turning him heel for basically one night only. Unless they figure out a way to turn him face post-Taker match, I don't see where the character is going to go.

Back to being part of Evolution? Feud with.....

And with regards to the "win over Taker", am I to believe Orton can legitimately stop one of the longest win streaks in WWE history, yet couldn't win the title back from HHH after the um-teen times he had a shot?

They've really hosed Orton's character. At least make it believeable and make it a good match, but have Orton lose only to have "learned something".

Right now I don't buy the character or the win over Taker if it happens.

[BWSword]

Perhaps Chavo bothering Eddie will lead him into a turn at WM21? Maybe he's going to ditch Rey and turn again?

That might happen too...

[FVD]

man what you guys think of big show lifting the jeep over and watching luther trying to do it. next week they are suppose to be weighing themselves?

I thought that was impressive. It was hilarious seeing Luther Reynes trying to lift it. Seeing Big Show cracking up over Reynes' feeble attempts had me in stitches.

Overall it was a rather funny Smackdown. Carlito being forced to sing as Elvis, Angle dissing HBK and seeing Sensational Sherrie after all this time.

As for Michelle McCool I think she's really cute.

FVD

[BWSword]

there was a match that was a few years back when Test and mark henry did the same thing I think...mark lifted it but test lifted it as if he were giving birth

[carnage4u]

I think Michelle McCool is one of the better new ones.. i cant stand 3/4 the divas on smackdown though.. most are just leftovers.

altough i only can handle 1/2 of raws divas, at least a few of them are amusing.



anyway 6 days to wrestlemanai..
Great weekend ahead.. Sin City on Friday, wrestlemania on Sunday

[ZombieMan]

The only Diva that truly amazes me is Molly Holly for her stunning natural look, and her great wrestling skills. She use to be really cute, she needs to keep on growing that hair out. :)

[ChaCho]

there are a lot of good divas on SM Torrie Wilson, and RAW Lita

[LS2002]

UT was indeed in good form.. Great tombstone on the steps.
The kurt angle thing had my laughing hard and also a little disturbed.

I would love to see JBL win, as he is a wrestling god and is great on the Mic.. "4 more years of JBL please"

eddie/mysterio -- meh.. i will be a fun match, but nothing i really care about.. I like eddie a lot though.

big show match will be annoying i think and end with either him losing quickly and fairly or winning by cheating

Sorry Carnage but I think its time JBL drops the title. Now don't get me wrong hes a great Heel champion and everything but do you really want him to turn into another HHH?

[FVD]

I think Michelle McCool is one of the better new ones.. i cant stand 3/4 the divas on smackdown though.. most are just leftovers.

altough i only can handle 1/2 of raws divas, at least a few of them are amusing.

The other Smackdown Diva I like apart from Torrie and McCool is Joy Giovanni.

On RAW you can't go wrong with Stacy Kiebler. WOW those legs :omg:

Trish Stratus will always come 2nd out of the RAW roster. Christy Hemme is one of the hottest redheads I've seen in a while.

FVD.

[carnage4u]

Stacey/trish and i dont mind lita, cause some of the Lita/trish matches actually were good early this year..

Last Night Raw i thought started out good.. I enjoy seen kane standing around a pile of bodies though, so im biased.

I liked the Randy/UT little moment.. the countdown was cool and Ring on Fire was sort of cool.


The standoff was a waste of time, but amused me more then i thought it would.


and JBL cant be beat at Wrestlemania, I mean hes a wrestling god LOL.... of course i just dont like Cena too much..

[LS2002]

I agree with you about John Cena. the guy just doesn't know how to wrestle to begin with. I was hoping that he was facing Eddie Guerrero or Booker T.

[ZombieMan]

I agree mostly with what carnage4u said actually. Raw started out good with Kane standing around a pile of bodies, that was super cool! After that, things started going downhill pretty fast it seemed like. The segment with Randy Orton and the UT thing was alright to me, but nothing great. I wish that UT would have actually showed up, that would have pumped their match up more for me. Yes, the "stand off" was a HUGE waste of time, I was really dissapointed. Come to think of it, I really didn't think that it would be any good before I saw it happen. About what LS2002 said about Cena not knowing how to wrestle. I, personally very much disagree. I have seen some really cool moves come out of him from time to time. I don't care for his wrestling gimmick of course, but I think that he is a pretty good performer in the ring. He looks a little sloppy at times but I think its because of his "street fighter, chain gang" gimmick, which he puts on very well. Also to add a little news. I read at www.lordsofpain.net that Juventud Guerrera, Super Crazy, and Psychosis may be making WWE debuts after Wrestlemania to beef up the cruiserweight division. I'm very excited and I hope that this rumor is true!

[carnage4u]

Cena does put on a good show and plays his part well. i just dont like the part.... so now its my turn to agree with zombieman :)

[ChaCho]

Kane showed hell yesterday, he could easily destroy everyone there in a match. but yesterday i saw a lot of factors that could change that match's result. Benoit killed at last years Wrestlemania and it seems he is going in with the same intensity. Jericho showed he is gonna do anything to win. And Edge and Christian might team up as they have won ladder matches before but together! they might team up and one turn on the other and win, plus Tomko could play a role. Benjamin damn, he can do anything if he really tries.
The Face Off was good, i enjoyed it, especially when Batista went beserk at the end.
Once more i show you prove that The Undertaker will win, look at that countdown, just look at it, when EVER could Randy Orton defeat Kane, Twice!. When ever could he beat Kevin Nash, or when could he EVER beat the Big Show and A-Train at the same time, never! plus did you see Orton's face when the ring went on fire? Orton will Rest In Peace.


..........13-0............

[FVD]

I read at www.lordsofpain.net that Juventud Guerrera, Super Crazy, and Psychosis may be making WWE debuts after Wrestlemania to beef up the cruiserweight division. I'm very excited and I hope that this rumor is true!

Damn me too. Juventud is awesome. I wonder if Psychosis will wear his mask again like Rey did. He looked weird without the mask in the dying days of WCW. Is Ultimo Dragon still under contract with WWE?

[ZombieMan]

Yeah, I hope that Psychosis will keep his mask on, its more exciting that way. It doesn't matter to me if Juvi Juice puts his mask back on or not though, his mask kind of sucked, lol. But I use to be a HUGE Juventud fan, so I'm dying to see him again! I don't think that Ultimo Dragon is still under WWE contract and thats really too bad. I'm really into the cruiserweight wrestlers, probably because I'm one myself, lol. Ultimo was one of the best ever, and I miss seeing him around. Paul London's wrestling skills really impress me and I love watching him. Chavo Guerrero Jr. is sort of boring to me now, he needs to try harder, haha.

[carnage4u]

paul london is great as the new warrior. i wish he would jsut change to be a complete clone of ultimate warrior. he already acts so close. just need to have him shake the ropes and chagne his music.

[ZombieMan]

VH-1 have officially announced that a new reality show featuring wrestling legend Hulk Hogan will air this summer. It will be entitled, "Hogan Knows Best."

The show will portray Hogan as "traditional suburban dad to two teenagers on a 20,000 square foot estate in Clearwater FL.

The show also documents how far Hogan will go to keep tabs on his daughter Brooke who has just started dating. Courtesy, www.lordsofpain.net

LMAO, well that should definitely be interesting. I can't wait to see it personally. :lol: :applaud:

[DangerMouse]

Hey Zombie, any new news on the new HBO wrestling promotion?

[ZombieMan]

Actually, I haven't heard anything for awhile. I wonder if the deal feel through because I haven't heard from Mr. Page in quite sometime. I'll inform you if I hear anything at all though.

[ChaCho]

You know that is what is needed on Smackdown! now, a good cruserweight plot and bringing new cruserweights is the way to do it, especially if they have such histories.
Has anyone noticed how the Tag Team section of RAW is like garbage, look at the tag team match that happened, Tag champions vs La Resistance vs Simon Dean and Maven... wow... this tag team situation needs to get fixed soon.

[chewie]

You know it wouldn't bother me if they combined both tag belts into one. The WWE just isn't patient with tag teams anymore. Putting two guys together just because they have no existing story lines.....well that's not tag team wrestling, unless they stay together for a considerable amount of time (12 -18 months). The tag team scene is horrible on both Raw and Smackdown.

[slinger]

You know that is what is needed on Smackdown! now, a good cruserweight plot and bringing new cruserweights is the way to do it, especially if they have such histories.
Has anyone noticed how the Tag Team section of RAW is like garbage, look at the tag team match that happened, Tag champions vs La Resistance vs Simon Dean and Maven... wow... this tag team situation needs to get fixed soon.

Well they'll probably have The Rockers vs Edge & Christian in the future. Have them feud and quietly rebuild the division so when its over the division has atleast four "tag teams".

[ZombieMan]

I agree with everyone that the tag team divisions on both sides suck BIG TIME!

[FVD]

Yeah I'll say what happened to all the great Tag Teams? We had Demolition, The Powers Of Pain, Strike Force, The Steiner Brothers, The Road Warriors, The Rockers and so on and so on. And I suppose you can add The Dudleys, The Hardy Boys, and Edge & Christian etc.

The last great Tag Team IMHO was Kronik in WCW. It was a shame they didn't last very long in WWE with the Invasion angle. I even thought Mark Jindrak and Sean O'Haire were a great Tag Team. I loved that Seanton Bomb. He deserved a chance to get better. He's a far more talented wrestler than Jindrak if you ask me.

FVD.

[carnage4u]

i do miss the tag teams as well. such garabage now its sad.

[ZombieMan]

Yeah I'll say what happened to all the great Tag Teams? We had Demolition, The Powers Of Pain, Strike Force, The Steiner Brothers, The Road Warriors, The Rockers and so on and so on. And I suppose you can add The Dudleys, The Hardy Boys, and Edge & Christian etc.

The last great Tag Team IMHO was Kronik in WCW. It was a shame they didn't last very long in WWE with the Invasion angle. I even thought Mark Jindrak and Sean O'Haire were a great Tag Team. I loved that Seanton Bomb. He deserved a chance to get better. He's a far more talented wrestler than Jindrak if you ask me.

Yeah, Kronik was a pretty neat tag team. They weren't too bad. I agree that Sean O'Haire was a much talented wrestler than Mark Jindrak. I've been in the ring with Jindrak doing tag action before and he's STIFF as hell. He was a really rough worker and from what I see on television, he still is. I don't know why the WWE kept him around for. Anyhow, yeah the Hardy Boys were an awsome tag team of course. Edge & Christian were a powerhouse too. I never cared alot for the Dudleys, they are alright I guess. TNA has some alright tag teams, and I figure that when their contracts are up, that they will jump ship to WWE. The Bashams bore the hell out of me, does anyone else agree?

[chewie]

Yeah, the Bashams are pretty bad.

[ChaCho]

Paul London is AWSOME
He deserves that title he is a very skilled wrestler!! and im really happy he won the title.

[filmstudent04]

Hey real quick, what HAS happened to the Dudley's, I know Spike is still in it, but whatta bout bubba and devon?

[carnage4u]

Smackdown was not that great.... thought the UT/orton thing was amusing.. angle destorying the announcer was always enjoyable, big show weigh in was a waste of my time, and i hate the arrest the wrestler angle they ended on.

did i miss something or why was the King on smackdown. i actually like him/cole together.. odd.

[insaneMoViEgoer]

Tazz's father recently passed away, so he was not at the taping.

[BWSword]

Smackdown was not that great.... thought the UT/orton thing was amusing.. angle destorying the announcer was always enjoyable, big show weigh in was a waste of my time, and i hate the arrest the wrestler angle they ended on.

did i miss something or why was the King on smackdown. i actually like him/cole together.. odd.

watching john cena get arrested sucked by jbl, the big show weighed 492 against 506 I think..., the matches with eddie and rey, watching randy orton father come out and wanted undertaker to be easy on randy orton, as they and others go to wrestlemania 21 this sunday.

[beyond_th3]

I would be so angry if Undertaker lost to Randy Orton.

[chewie]

Wrestlemania Picks

HHH vs. Batista - Batista
JBL vs. Cena - Cena
HBK vs. Angle - Angle
Orton vs. Taker - Taker
Money In the Bank - Jericho
Trish vs. Christy - Trish
Big Show vs. Akebono - Akebono
Eddie vs. Rey - Rey

[ZombieMan]

After seeing Smackdown on Thursday, I have to say that Eddie Guerrero is definitely going to make a heel turn and probably make a tag team with Chavo Guerrero Jr., which sucks. I thought that JBL having John Cena arrested was pretty damn hilarious. When Bob Orton came out and tricked The Undertaker it was pitiful, but then again, genius. ;)

[ChaCho]

Wrestlemania Picks

HHH vs. Batista - Batista
JBL vs. Cena - Cena
HBK vs. Angle - HBK
Orton vs. Taker - Undertaker
Money In the Bank - Kane
Trish vs. Christy - Trish
Big Show vs. Akebono - Akebono
Eddie vs. Rey - Rey

[ZombieMan]

Hmmm, you know, I'm not sure if Chavo is hurt or not. I figured the reason that he lost the Cruiserweight title so quickly was because Eddie might make a heel turn at WM21 against Rey Mysterio. Then I thought that Eddie and Chavo would team up after WM21. I don't know. I haven't heard anything about Chavo being injured, but he could be.

[ZombieMan]

They might try to team Mark Jindrak and Luther Reigns back up but I doubt it. They made a horrible tag team anyhow, in my opinion. The tag team division will definitely get spiced back up when RVD returns and the Dudleyz.

[FVD]

When is RVD due back anyway? Was his injury that severe?

[chewie]

The tag division has sucked up one side and down the other since they formed the two brands. There isn't enough wrestlers on each brand to have a stable tag team division. Many of times you get two "singles" wrestlers thrown together who work together for a max of 6 months, then go back to singles competition. To me a true tag team..... 1. comes out together to the same music and.... 2. has a name (the bashams or La Resistance). For a legitimate tag division you actually have to have teams stay together for a long time to build up equity with the fans so to speak. I think it's safe to say that it is not happening at the moment.

[ZombieMan]

I am personal friends with Stan Dupp that use to wrestle in NWA-TNA and I thought that the Dupps were hilarious characters and a very interesting tag team. Stan Dupp is actually Trevor Rhodes (Dusty's son) that wrestles for WLW (Harley's wrestling organization), and I told him to try to get back into WWE since they use to wrestle on Velocity too. I think that they would make an excellent addition to the WWE's tag team roster.

[ChaCho]

The tag team section is fu**** up, i mean they are having a tag team champions fight each other and in the other show they had a match on monday so that would be their wrestlemania. Nothing as i see it can fix the tag team division, they just dont have the people, the enthusiasm and the organization.
Not even the Intercontinental or US Championships are working, they made John Cena loose the title to Orlando Jordan, when has he defended it.
And Shelton Benjamin is Intercontinental Champion and instead of making it defend it in a nice match like a Fatal Four Way match at Wm they put him in a ladder match.
wow whats going on with the WWE

[BWSword]

I think one reason eddie and ray are fighting each other has something to do with chavo he been mostly talking to eddie every week, I couldn't believe they burnt the wwe us title that cena had for a long time and the last one is the money in the bank ladder match which gives one star a shot for the world heavy-weight champion any time and even till next wrestlemania.

[beyond_th3]

watching Wresltemania 21 as we speak and I must say that Shelton Benjamin has impressed me. Undertaker vs Orton is about to begin.

[slinger]

Winners so far:
REY
TRISH
EDGE (boo-urns)
ANGLE :) :confused:
TAKER

[ChaCho]

I Knew The Undertaker Would Not Loose He Is Too Good.

[carnage4u]

UT winning made me very happy.

What the F@@% was wrong with Rays damm mask.. it was driving me nuts with him trying to fix it every 2 seconds..

JBL lost way too damm fast, not a good thing.
a bit suprised angle won, but it was a good match, and HHH had the best intro of the night.

[Rogue]

Wow...Mania really made me happy. Cena, Batista, and Taker winning. Not to mention Rey. I'm impressed and may just have to watch more of WWE now. I got to where I wouldn't watch because I got so f'n sick of Trips and JBL. It's got my attetion again though, that's for sure.

[slinger]

Wow...Mania really made me happy. Cena, Batista, and Taker winning. Not to mention Rey. I'm impressed and may just have to watch more of WWE now. I got to where I wouldn't watch because I got so f'n sick of Trips and JBL. It's got my attetion again though, that's for sure.

Yes I would just peak into this thread and once Batista won the Rumble, i slowly got back into RAW. And then when Angle/HBK started I watched SD! to see that. Now the question is, is Hogan going to return in the future in a match versus Austin?

[carnage4u]

i just hope cena loses the title soon. hes a fairly big waste. otherwise, im more then happy with the nights results

[Dio]

The most dissapointing match I thought was Christy Hemme Vs Trish Stratus. But everything else I enjoyed. I can't wait till Wrestlemania 22 comes along! :)

[FVD]

I managed to watch most of WM. I missed the 2nd hour because my Old man wanted to record The View of all f'n programs. So I missed who won the HBK/Angle match (it's a surprise to learn of Angle winning really), I also missed Piper's Pit with Austin and the Big Show/Akebono match.

Oh well there's a replay in a few hours. All is not lost ;)

Anyway my impressions of the night that was:

The Ladder match was stellar. The stand out contender for the match was without question, Mr Shelton Benjamin. He really stepped up to the plate in this match. The elevation from that senton bomb was amazing not to mention the clothesline on Jericho as he quickly ran up that ladder. Also the entrance with Kane and the burning of the ladders was impressive to watch.

I thought Cena's comeback against JBL was a little too rushed what with the pinfall and all. I felt that JBL should have retained the title. What happened to OJ & the Bashams? Were they not allowed at ringside?

It was pretty cool seeing Hogan dealing to Mohammed Hassan and his lapdog Daivari (somebody needs to shut him up...for good). I wondered what would happen if The Iron Sheik came out at all. But from what I noticed, he's on a walking stick now.

Motorhead performing The Game with HHH emerging from the stage was impressive not to mention Batista winning the match. The pyrotechnics was deafening above the ring.

And it also makes me wonder how impressive it is that they can compile a highlight package so quickly after the main event is over, especially the World Title match.

FVD.

[chewie]

The most dissapointing match I thought was Christy Hemme Vs Trish Stratus. But everything else I enjoyed. I can't wait till Wrestlemania 22 comes along! :)

What a surprise. A women's match being the most disappointing.

So how would everybody rate this Wrestlemania compared to last years?

[Dio]

What a surprise. A women's match being the most disappointing.

Yeah, the only reason why I wanted to watch that part was cause I like Christy. ;)

[Dio]

The most coolest part was when Shelton Benjamin ran up the ladder and close lined Chris Jericho.

Also I like the WWE version of "The Gladiator"

[BWSword]

wwe wm21 results:
World Heavyweight Championship: Batista def. Triple H, WWE Championship: John Cena def. JBL , Kurt Angle def. Shawn Michaels, Piper's Pit with Stone Cold Steve Austin with Carlito and piper stun by stone cold, Money-In-The-Bank Ladder Match: Edge, Women's Championship: Trish def. Christy, Undertaker def. Randy Orton , Sumo Match: Akebono def. Big Show, and Rey Mysterio def. Eddie Guerrero

[FVD]

Yeah Stone Cold was hilarious acting out the role of Maximus. Even Booker T was hilarious as Samuel L. Jackson's character in Pulp Fiction. His name was Julius right? And Eddie Guerrero looked hilarious as Vincent Vega.

But the Taxi Driver parody was the funniest one of them all.

Well I set the tape to record the replay but thanks to my old man, the damn channel was changed. I'm pissed that I missed Piper's Pit surely to be one of the highlights of WM21 :(

FVD.

[carnage4u]

Yeah Stone Cold was hilarious acting out the role of Maximus. Even Booker T was hilarious as Samuel L. Jackson's character in Pulp Fiction. His name was Julius right? And Eddie Guerrero looked hilarious as Vincent Vega.

But the Taxi Driver parody was the funniest one of them all.

Well I set the tape to record the replay but thanks to my old man, the damn channel was changed. I'm pissed that I missed Piper's Pit surely to be one of the highlights of WM21 :(

FVD.

so you pay $50 for the PPV and he just comes in and changes the channel.

odd house you got there :)

[ZombieMan]

I was kind of surprised that they let Rey Mysterio win over Eddie Guerrero again, I figured that Guerrero would get help from Chavo and turn heel at WM. I guess thats in the near future though with Rey winning and all. I thought that the Big Show in a big sumo diaper thingy was hilarious, that was a highlight right there. ;) Christy and Trish was boring indeed as Dio mentioned earlier, and Trish kicked out of the Twist of Fate, thats crazy. Orton vs. The Undertaker was pretty interesting, better than I thought it would be actually. Glad to see UT take the match too. I was VERY dissapointed to see Edge win the "Money in the bank ladder match". My friend DarkKnight (Zack) was cheering because he likes Edge, but I can't stand Edge anymore, lol. I honestly didn't think they would let him win it, what a surprise to me. Piper's Pit was of course, AWSOME! Him and Austin slapping each other was classic. I was also glad when Stone Cold stunned Carlito AND Piper, that was funny. By the way....I like Carlito Cool, I just had to add that in there. Kurt Angle vs. HBK started out slow but I realize that they had alot of time to waste for the PPV, but of course it ended well. It didn't matter to me who won but everyone in my house was against Angle all the way except me, haha. I am pissed that Cena won the WWE heavyweight title, I was hoping that JBL would retain. He's hilarious if you ask me, he's so stupid that he's funny. Cena is a pretty good wrestler and all, but I like seeing JBL rant and rave every week, he puts on a good show in my opinion. Everyone knew that Batista would win the World heavyweight title, so that wasn't a big surprise. I wasn't too impressed with the match either.

[LS2002]

That Austin Commercial was funny though

I am the master of the middle finger
Chief ********* of sorry sons of *******
Beer drinker among beer drinkers
Truster of No one
And I will stomp a mudhole in your *** and walk it dry
My Name is Stone Cold Steve Austin and tonight I Unleash Hell.

[FVD]

so you pay $50 for the PPV and he just comes in and changes the channel.

odd house you got there :)

Actually it's only $20 for me. And because of that I'm refusing to pay now because of that.

And yes my household can come off as being a little odd at times ;)

And Zombie. I'm slowly starting to like Carlito as well. He's a laugh that's for sure. Even he was funny on that Taxi Driver skit.

[filmstudent04]

Mania was verrrry good, from the opener(Ladder Match) to the Heavyweight match...I wasnt so sure that Batista was going to win...i for sure thought that HHH would have won it to continue the feud, but supposedly they still are going to. Did anyone else notice all the botched moves lastnight? Like Shawn vs Angle, Angle looked as though he was losing his balance when he was trying to give shawn the Angle slam outside the ring and then shawns leg and back hit the post...also, shawn slipping off the top ropes for his crossbody...also in Taker and orton match, there were a couple times when i think orton and taker crashed into each other...taker looked a lil pissed off..veryyy cool ending though by the reverse tombstone...just like oldschool when taker vs taker. Also other botches were in Trish and Christy match...overall though, mania was damn good. Hogan coming back, I didnt think he would but he did and it was cool to see him, buuut wow has he gained weight huh? he is almost 60 for pitty sakes though. even the hall of fame ceremony was pretty good especially piper's speech. Pipers pit also was great, do we think that austin or hogan will come back? They only down fall i felt was shawn not winning...although i for sure thought he would have because i heard that angle wanted to take some time off because his back is bothering him again...who knows what will happen tonight on raw...also, the rock was backstage lastnight...it'd be nice to see him come back for a bit, that is of course if wwe would renew his contract.

[ZombieMan]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v51/ZombieMan/PrepH.jpg

I was bored tonight and made that, LMAO...He always looks like he has hemorrhoids.

[ChaCho]

Wrestlemania was awsome, I think Wrestlemania XX was better though on my opinion, but 21 was great nonetheless.
Edge winning damn i dont care the match was perfect, everyone flew, everyone got thrown off the ladder it was great! would have loved Kane winning, DAMN good match.
Trish vs Christy I just like them hoes, fine gurls.
Rey vs Eddie, i thought Eddie would win, but Rey's high flying was awsome.
Big Show i dunno, he could have won if the rules were different :p
HBK and Angle, that match was great! No cheating jus straight up wrestling, great job from both of them, of course HBK winning would have made me happier.
STONE COLD DID UNLEASH HELL! HIM STUNNING CARLITO WOW BEAUTIFUL. WITH PIPERS WOWOWOWOWOWOWOW FUNNY crazy *****es them two. great comeback of Stone Cold.
UNDERTAKER KILLED, not gonna say nothing tho, but Orton did do really good, countering the RKO's until his dad interfered, son of a *****, That Toombstone man, i shivered, I LOVE THE UNDERTAKER.
And last John Cena & Batista each winning their titles on their shows, wow finishers of the night, LOVED BATISTA, i thought he was gonna loose they way HHH cheated, but the Batista Bomb proved its strentgh

[FVD]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v51/ZombieMan/PrepH.jpg

I was bored tonight and made that, LMAO...He always looks like he has hemorrhoids.

:lol: Very nice Zombie :lol:

Speaking of the Big Show and his loss to Akebono. Well I didn't really think he was gonna win anyway. I mean look at the previous contests in the past involving sports icons from different sports. We had Laurence Taylor facing Bam Bam Bigelow back in WM11. Taylor won that matchup. Then we had Butterbean facing off again Billy Gunn's brother Bart Gunn (who IMHO was the better wrestler back in the day) at another WM, who also lost.

Whatever happened to Bart Gunn anyway? The Smoking Gunns were a great Tag Team. How bout their mo's :)

[carnage4u]

Raw was ok. I half expect something more interesting to happen day after wrestlemania
tirsh quick kick was fun, rest was just average

[ZombieMan]

LMAO, I'm such a retard. I just noticed that the Prep H box said Suppositories, DAMNIT! I thought it was the creamy stuff that soothed your ole' butt. I didn't even read that part, I was laughing too hard and too excited to get the other stuff put on there. LOL

[Rogue]

Well Trips always looks like he's being ****ed in the butt so it's all good. ;)

[FVD]

Oh well it's still funny nonetheless.

On another note, I have learned that WWE have just signed former ECW stars Raven and "The Franchise" Shane Douglas to their ECW PPV in June. This is awesome. Apparently Heyman talked Douglas into attending considering his apparent hatred for VKM (Vincent Kennedy McMahon). I've always considered HHH to be a ripoff of The Franchise IMHO. And yet Douglas still has his ECW PPV happening also.

Wow all they need to do now is get Bam Bam Bigelow and Chris Candido, along with Francine and perhaps we could get the Triple Threat happening. Hopefully Douglas will still have Deep Purple's Perfect Strangers as his entrance music.

And how about getting Lance Storm out of retirement so he can reform the Impact Players with Justin Credible (assisted by Dawn Marie hopefully). Credible needs his Kendo stick too. Something he sorely lacked during his time in WWE.

What are the hopes of WWE getting Sabu? And how about Fonzie The Manager of Champions? Him and RVD were inseparable. Hopefully RVD will have recovered in time for the PPV.

And also how about Tazz come out of retirement for a match. After all he is the Human Suplex Machine. If not he can always be a commentator seeing that Joey Styles has no such interest in this event.

FVD.

[DangerMouse]

Hmm, Orton jobs to Batista last night but I suppose he's going to beat the Undertaker at "No Way Out".

What in the holy h*ll are they doing with Orton's character? Unless they plan on playing up the shoulder injury becuase Orton's actually hurt.

Personally, this is just what I was afraid of when it was annonced that Orton was going to face Undertaker. They have no clue what to do with Orton after his heel turn.

Thank God they had the foresight to have him lose to the Undertaker at WM21 instead of having him win with no further storyline in place post Mania.

[ZombieMan]

As FVD was talking about ECW, I have a few names to add in there that they should bring in for the PPV. What about Spike Dudley, Tajiri, Mike Awsome, Rhyno, Nunzio (Little Guido), and Super Crazy?! It would be great to see them on the card as well.

[filmstudent04]

I dont think Tazz would be able to wrestle anymore because of his back or his neck i forget...but it would be nice to see him dominate again. There were times when some wrestlers on smackdown would challenge him and he would just stand up and stare at em' good god it be tight to see him whoop them. I hear he really likes commentating too tho