Go WWE!

[Marv]

Originally posted by LordofKings
How many of these IMM matches have they had? And whats the best?

I've only seen the Hart-Michaels one, which to me, IMO, is one of the greatest matches of all time.

I liked HHH and Rock's Ironman Match at Judgement Day (I think that was the PPV) a few years back the most. Undertaker came back as a repackaged character that night. But I enjoyed it because they allowed several falls throughout the match, rather than the HBK/Hart match that went 60 minutes without a fall.

I never did get to see Angle/Lesnar though.

[Marv]

Originally posted by IamMrDJ
The diva stuff we are talking about is thier New Diva Talent Search that has been going on for the last month. Last night all of the DIva hoefuls had to try and seduce Kamala. NO need to worry about the Diva stuff because it is so stupid and IMO none of the girls are anywhere near Trish or Stacy

Yeah, the diva stuff is highly annoying and some girls are just kinda, uh. But I still think Carmella looks just as hot as Trish or Stacy.

[beyond_th3]

Originally posted by Marv
I liked HHH and Rock's Ironman Match at Judgement Day (I think that was the PPV) a few years back the most. Undertaker came back as a repackaged character that night. But I enjoyed it because they allowed several falls throughout the match, rather than the HBK/Hart match that went 60 minutes without a fall.

I never did get to see Angle/Lesnar though.


That was the beauty of the hbk/hart match - they were that equal and prepared for each other that for 60 minutes they could not pin each other or make each other submit. And the best part is that it was entertaining from the first second until the last second of sudden death.

[Marv]

Originally posted by beyond_th3
That was the beauty of the hbk/hart match - they were that equal and prepared for each other that for 60 minutes they could not pin each other or make each other submit. And the best part is that it was entertaining from the first second until the last second of sudden death.

I don't know. I just think that match is really overrated IMO. There were too many dead parts in there for to me. Don't get me wrong, I still enjoyed the match. But I wasn't blown away by it by any means. I feel that HBK/Austin WM 14 and Bret/Owen at WM 10 were better matches than the HBK/Bret Hart Ironman.

[LordofKings]

The Bret/Michaels match was incredible, one of my favorite, if not my favorite match. Both of them showed how hard they work. it was well creafted and flawless IMO.

I thought Michaels won 2 pins to 1 in that match???/ Its been a while since I have seen it.

Was that the first IMM? Well if it was, they set the bar and it will be hard to be topped. IMO it has yet to be topped in an IMM, but the HHH/Benoit one was very good, but not great, and like someone said, kind of slow in the beg. The end was the best

[i am backkkk]

Who do u think would win between Edge and Jericho?

[IamMrDJ]

Well we can see peoples choices because they are currently going head to head in my Wrestling BAttle in the Clebrity Forum

http://66.118.152.6/forums/showthread.php?postid=1410925#post1410925

[Warren]

Originally posted by i am backkkk
Who do u think would win between Edge and Jericho?

You do know that wrestling is predetermined, right?

[glsspder]

Originally posted by Warren
You do know that wrestling is predetermined, right?


<b>SSSSSSSSSSSSSSHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH</b>

That is taboo

[beyond_th3]

yeah we know wrestling is predetermined, but we can still comment on their characters that they portray.

and I think jericho would win. I can see it, jericho is the future hbk. If you don't believe me look at the two(heartbreak hotel, jericho's show, hbk the first to do everything, jericho is the only man that can brag about beating the rock and stone cold in one night).

[jbailey84]

who's one night? :p just joking:D between Edge & Jericho i'd pick Jericho. WAY better than Edge IMHO. better character, better wrestler, just plain out better. Edge gets old after a while. Jericho never seems to let me down.

like at WM 19 when he low blowed HBK after their hug when the match was over, brilliant! thats Jericho doing what does best as a heel.

plus he's a really cool person to meet. i met him at Ozzfest '03 in San Antonio and he was great.

[beyond_th3]

yeah sorry about that and one night.

[jbailey84]

i was just joking around. i didnt mean to affend you or anything

[i am backkkk]

yea i knew that it was predetermained but i just wasnted to see who u guys thought was a better wrestler. me i think its edge.

[Se7en the movie]

no way, chris jericho should be main eventing, he is fantastic

[IamMrDJ]

JEricho is a main-eventer. He is the new HBK, he ahs the talent, the personality adn the Charisma. I mean how many people can call Trish a Trailer-Trash Ho-Bag and get cheered?

[beyond_th3]

I agree its like WWE is wasting his talent and making him into a comedy show. I am still mad that he lost to Randy Orton - Y2J and Benoit would have been a better match than Benoit and Orton.

[ZombieMan]

I'm all for Orton vs. Benoit and as a matter of fact, I think it has the potential of being the match of the year. I'm pretty excited about it!

[Rogue]

Teddy Long (New SD! GM..for those of you that haven't seen it yet.) has toned down his act and has better mic skills than I orginally thought. He might very well be able to work this and help SD! turn things around. I've noticed that as of late they're making an effort to try and improve and I appreciate that. I'll be watching SD! more, that's for sure.


Raw is..disappointing me as of late. I'm so frickin' sick and tired of Randy Orton! I'm tired of Evolution, members of Evolution and talking about them. Let it go already..they had their day. The only thing that is keeping me happy with Raw is the fact that Benoit is still champion and doing a damn good job. Raw needs to lose the Diva search crap, stop wasting time and improve their writing. (Kane/Lita/Hardy is just one example of the crap that they're churning out these days). At least we still have Jericho to keep us entertained if we tune in. Edge is good but he's not a single's competitor. They need to bring back Christian, and I never thought I'd say that but Edge needs a partner. He's doing okay but he could do so much better in the tag division.

Eugene is getting old too. He was entertaining for the first week or so but it got stale fast. C'mon WWE! Raw can be better than the crap it has been these past few weeks.

[chewie]

Originally posted by Rogue
He's doing okay but he could do so much better in the tag division.

What tag division? Raw doesn't have a tag division. I do like Raw a lot better that smackdown. I think we're stuck with the diva thing a little while longer.

[beyond_th3]

Originally posted by Rogue
Teddy Long (New SD! GM..for those of you that haven't seen it yet.) has toned down his act and has better mic skills than I orginally thought. He might very well be able to work this and help SD! turn things around. I've noticed that as of late they're making an effort to try and improve and I appreciate that. I'll be watching SD! more, that's for sure.


Raw is..disappointing me as of late. I'm so frickin' sick and tired of Randy Orton! I'm tired of Evolution, members of Evolution and talking about them. Let it go already..they had their day. The only thing that is keeping me happy with Raw is the fact that Benoit is still champion and doing a damn good job. Raw needs to lose the Diva search crap, stop wasting time and improve their writing. (Kane/Lita/Hardy is just one example of the crap that they're churning out these days). At least we still have Jericho to keep us entertained if we tune in. Edge is good but he's not a single's competitor. They need to bring back Christian, and I never thought I'd say that but Edge needs a partner. He's doing okay but he could do so much better in the tag division.

Eugene is getting old too. He was entertaining for the first week or so but it got stale fast. C'mon WWE! Raw can be better than the crap it has been these past few weeks.

I could not agree with you more.

[IamMrDJ]

Damn I just spent 25 minutes calling around to my local BestBuy's seeing if any of them have the new BEnoit DVD. Both of the places I called didn't even know what WWE was or if they carried any of the DVD's After hanging up with them I went online and found out that both of the places do have the DVD in stock. Looks like I will be getting it tomorrow. Sweet :D

[i am backkkk]

i like Raw beter tahn smack down too but if they got a raal general maneger for smackdown it would improve in my oppinion. Smackdown is kinda boring , the only thing i look forword to in smackdown is JOHN CENA

[Se7en the movie]

Originally posted by IamMrDJ
Damn I just spent 25 minutes calling around to my local BestBuy's seeing if any of them have the new BEnoit DVD. Both of the places I called didn't even know what WWE was or if they carried any of the DVD's After hanging up with them I went online and found out that both of the places do have the DVD in stock. Looks like I will be getting it tomorrow. Sweet :D

damn you!!!!! I dont think its even out over here yet. Hopefully i will be able to order it soon cause its got all his classic matches, even stuff from japan.

[IamMrDJ]

YEp I am excited for it. BEstBuy has got it for $20 and I got a 10% off coupon for it as well.

[Se7en the movie]

i expect a review of it tomorrow.....

[IamMrDJ]

Wel you might want to give me a few days. I gotta start housesitting tomorrow and work 20 hours between Saturday adn Sunday but I will let you know how it is.

[LS2002]

Teddy Long as GM for SD. Very Interesting he could do a good job.

[slinger]

Originally posted by Se7en the movie
no way, chris jericho should be main eventing, he is fantastic

Blame HHH

[Se7en the movie]

Originally posted by slinger
Blame HHH

oh i do, but i think HHH is such a fine athlete and deserves the position he's in so i cant hate him.

[Colorado Cajun]

I got Benoit's dvd and the extr matches on it alone make it well worth the buy! Especially his old Japan matches and ECW and WCW matches!

[Se7en the movie]

are all the matches on it in full like the ric flair or mich foley DVDs

[Colorado Cajun]

yeah they are are full matches

[IamMrDJ]

I just got it a few hours ago before I went to my movie. I will be watching it tonight

[jbailey84]

from rajah.com

Word has it that the Intercontinental Championship match at SummerSlam will be a three-way bout between Edge, Chris Jericho and Batista.

[Colorado Cajun]

that's better than what I was thinking would happen. Batista vs Jericho in a gimmick match and Edge vs Flair

[jbailey84]

from rajah.com

After Smackdown recently scored a higher rating than RAW, Vince McMahon was said to be quite upset. He is currently in negotiations with Viacom and it would be beneficial if RAW was his highest ranked show in order to maintain any leverage the program has built in its Monday night timeslot.

all i can say is, well it's about damn time!

[Marv]

from rajah.com

Word has it that the Intercontinental Championship match at SummerSlam will be a three-way bout between Edge, Chris Jericho and Batista.

I wish they would just turn Edge heel and go up against Jericho. But I guess it looks like Jericho and Edge are gonna have to carry Bautista through a 3 way match.

[IamMrDJ]

Batista has gotten alot better in the last few months. I can see this match as the Heel turn for Edge. After that I can see him feuding with Y2J.

[sniktawt]

Batista was /is / and will always be terrible.
I've seen Peanuts with more personailty and charisma.

[Colorado Cajun]

Honestly I like Batista and think he makes a damn good monster

[sniktawt]

They have Tyson Tomko in that role now.
Batista's days are numbered.
Once Evolution breaks which is coming soon as Randy will break away first , then batisty is ****ed.

[Inval1d]

I don't like Tyson.


He looks too wierd.. i prefer Batista instead as the monster role.

Tyson is more of the gimp monster.

[Colorado Cajun]

I see Tyson and Batista joining up and doing a new version of LOD or something actually lol

[sniktawt]

They were a team in OVW with Mordecai.
Tyson was Travis Bane.

Batista was Leviathan

Mordecai was Seven

they were "The Disciples of Synn"

[Inval1d]

oh god Mordacai cracks me up.


funny that he was sent back and had to change his character. :funny:

[Colorado Cajun]

They were a team in OVW with Mordecai.
Tyson was Travis Bane.

Batista was Leviathan

Mordecai was Seven

they were "The Disciples of Synn"
yeah I know but i actually think they'd make a kick ass team sort of like Kronik but cooler

[true fan11212]

I enjoy Raw more than Smackdow but both are not as good as they were five years ago(however, I was never a big fan of Smackdown. Raw was always the better show and the brand extention didn't help SD much at all, IMHO). In fact, Wrestling isn't as good as it was five years ago.

As for Mordecai, I thought he was great, though that maybe due to the fact that he looked like Gandalf.

[Inval1d]

is lost it's goodness since 'WWE' came into the name. :wink:

[true fan11212]

You know, I actually agree with that. Once they had to stop using the WWF name, it was never the same.

[sniktawt]

oh god Mordacai cracks me up.


funny that he was sent back and had to change his character. :funny:

What is he gonna be now ?

I always thought he was a lot like Ministry Taker and Gangrel combined.
I think that character was destined for greatness but The WWE ****ed up again.

[Inval1d]

Vince praised him for his white look but for some reason he sent him back to OVW and made him dye his hair black.


i think the whole "white undertaker" wasn't going good backstage.

[sniktawt]

Yeah that's what he was.Just a white Taker.

Being all white is not a good thing.Remeber 'Key" ? Droz and prince Albert's Drug Supplier.Yeah Didn't think so. :wink:

[IamMrDJ]

You know, I actually agree with that. Once they had to stop using the WWF name, it was never the same.


Yeah and now my big WWF tatoo just looks crazy on my arm.

[IamMrDJ]

Yeah that's what he was.Just a white Taker.

Being all white is not a good thing.Remeber 'Key" ? Droz and prince Albert's Drug Supplier.Yeah Didn't think so. :wink:

I remember the Drug Supplier, but I ahd a feeling you were not directing that question towards me. :D

[glsspder]

this lita kane things is boring

[IamMrDJ]

Well there is no plan to end the angle early and I see Kane winning at Slam because MAtt is having surgery right after it.

[Colorado Cajun]

yup she'll be misses Kane soon heh

Raw's been crap tonight from what I've seen

[IamMrDJ]

YEah the Edge adn Y2J fight was ok but other then that it has been blah

[sniktawt]

this lita kane things is boring


Worst angle since Katie Vick.
Kane please leave you are so boring. :wink:

[Inval1d]

lita looked hot though :wink:


Katie Vick was hilarious :funny:

[sniktawt]

katie vick was the reason I stopped watching it faithfully.

[chewie]

I didn't watch Raw tonight because my idiot brother forgot to record it (timer doesn't work), but I read about it. Yeah that match at summerslam between Kane and Matt Hardy is just plain stupid. What did they call it? Something like a "Death till us part match" or something stupid like that.

[Rogue]

Am I the only one getting the impression that Trips is trying WAY too hard to be that evil? I mean..bloody hell. I was laughing at the end of his bit..he was just being way too intense for his own good. Better be careful or he might pull that quad again trying to show out.

[glsspder]

they was a load of bad and overacting last night, man the whole time lita and matt was talking it was painfull to watch. and then the coach with the diva contestants , man was it in the clause for some of them to act as if they left their brians on the bothroom counter.

[chewie]

There is almost nothing more painful than to watch people with no acting talent act. ie. the divas.

[IamMrDJ]

I still reember a couple weeks ago when they were tearing up Eric's office and one of the Diva's tops came undone adn she kept having to hold it in place.

[glsspder]

when is the end of this faust? it just rediculas and waste of air time, at least tuogh enough was tolarable, and on another station so it does not take up raw airtime, talk about air filler.

[Warren]

The diva search is PISSING ME OFF. It takes up so much time and none of them have ANY charisma.

[IamMrDJ]

Well it will continue on like this until they pick a final winner so I am daying it won't be till almost October when it is over.

[glsspder]

Hey Dj you ever thing about getting an avy of cena waving his hands in front of his face?

[IamMrDJ]

I have a couple but they are too big in size so that is why I went with this animated one.

[glsspder]

ah still it is a good avy. even if it is a back up one :grin:

[true fan11212]

As nice as the Divas are to look at(especially the Red haired one: Kristy), I do have to agree that the Diva segments are boring as hell and/or just plain dumb. Why the hell did they get Kumala back for that crap last week? It mad no sense.

[LS2002]

Smackdown Spoiler

Booker T vs Cena will have a Best of 5 Match at Summerslam

[jbailey84]

dude thats going to be a long ass match then!

[Inval1d]

:funny: Mini Taker was funny :funny:


i would laugh my ass off if they made a storyline where he was like Taker's little Minion.

so everytime he would come out Mini-Take would follow and copy his moves :funny:

[Se7en the movie]

:funny: Mini Taker was funny :funny:


i would laugh my ass off if they made a storyline where he was like Taker's little Minion.

so everytime he would come out Mini-Take would follow and copy his moves :funny:

and thats why you dont write for WWE..... :D

[Inval1d]

Well thats better than the whole Lita Pregnancy angle.


did you ever think that Kane would say this:

"IT'S MY BABBBBYYY!" ;)

[Se7en the movie]

i see lita turning heel at summerslam and going (hopefully) all goth and hanging round with Kane...........maybe the whole pregnancy thing being a hoax as well

[Inval1d]

seeing that kane is most likely to win that would be cool.


it would make her more hotter

*drools*

[Se7en the movie]

are there any stipulation matches set for summerslam yet?

[Inval1d]

Winner gets to marry Lita

[Se7en the movie]

that it? are the dudleys gonna face kidman and london for the tag titles? (i havent seen smackdown in AGES! so i dunno if kidman and london are still champs)

[Inval1d]

i don't know but i saw SD yesterday with the match list.

i think they were on. i might be wrong.

[Se7en the movie]

Smackdown should:

- Turn RVD heel and put him in a feud with paul london (imagine THAT match)
- Make billy kidman a contender for the cruiserweight title
- Change Rene Dupree's gimmick
- Push Mark Jindrak

[IamMrDJ]

KAne will win because Matt has to have major knee surgery and will be out for awhile. The only way I see him winning is having HBK return to attack Kane adn help Matt win. Kane was the one who knocked HBK out. London and Kidman are still tag champs. The Cena vs. Booker T best of 5 match will be great along with the Eddie vs. Kurt match. The JBL and Taker match will just be a slugfest with not much wrestling. I can see a Spike vs. Rey match also at Slam now that Spike has turned heel again.

[Se7en the movie]

spike has turned heel!?!?!?! you must tell me bout this........

[IamMrDJ]

Last night him and Rey ahd a tag match where they lost and afterwards he attacked Rey with the help of his brothers.

[Se7en the movie]

cool. I say bring back joel gertner, big dick dudley and sign guy dudley and have the classic dudley family from ECW

[jbailey84]

i see lita turning heel at summerslam and going (hopefully) all goth and hanging round with Kane...........maybe the whole pregnancy thing being a hoax as well i agree with Inval1d that that would make Lita look way hotter all gothic looking :D hey DJ, do you any reason why Sabu has been signed by WWE? i miss seeing that crazy ass mo'fo

[IamMrDJ]

HE hasn't been signed because he is under contract with TNA right now and is in the middle of a feud with Raven. Overall, he is making more money in TNA because his contract there allows him to do more indy shows then he could have done in WWE, adn his work schedule is lighter as well in TNA

[jbailey84]

ooh ok. thanks :D

[IamMrDJ]

NO problem dude, thats why I am here

[Inval1d]

cool. I say bring back joel gertner, big dick dudley and sign guy dudley and have the classic dudley family from ECW

"big" dick dudley sadly died a few years ago.

[Se7en the movie]

good god! i didnt know that! how did it happen?

[Inval1d]

Heart Attack in 2002

[ZombieMan]

i see lita turning heel at summerslam and going (hopefully) all goth and hanging round with Kane...........maybe the whole pregnancy thing being a hoax as well

HOLY CRAP, that would be totally hot! I would look forward to that actually as much as I hate the whole angle. She would look freakin' NICE as a goth chick.

[jbailey84]

^^^ suuuuuuurre would :D

[Se7en the movie]

when is summerslam?

[jbailey84]

the 15th

[ZombieMan]

I am going to Raw on September 27th at Columbia, Missouri at the Hearnes Center. I am going to get front row seats. Actually I might call Harley up and see if he can score me tickets, lol. That would be cool, he use to get us tickets alot when I was up there training.

[chewie]

when is summerslam?

Watch Raw on Monday and find out.

[IamMrDJ]

It is a week from tonight and I already have it ordered adn am getting my party suplies ready for it.

[ZombieMan]

^^^ Sounds good to me DJ! I think I'd better be doing the same thing.

[IamMrDJ]

Not much to do in my planning and buying. PIzza is cheap, Drinks are cheap and my friends are paying for it al in the end. I just provide the couch adn the big screen TV

[Inval1d]

i want to come DJ ;)

[IamMrDJ]

10 bucks per person plus 5 if you want in on the Winners Pool

[Inval1d]

i'm in :D

[IamMrDJ]

well thats fine but I gotta warn you the only spot left is the floor next to the dog bed.

[Inval1d]

i'm good with dogs ;)

[IamMrDJ]

There is no dogs on the bed, that is where my brother sits during the PPV's

[Inval1d]

ohh.. :(


well i can bring....hmm...

Doritos! :D

[IamMrDJ]

Doritos are good, but you might wanna bring some Dessert that is what we never seem to have.

[ZombieMan]

^^^ Wish I lived closer DJ, lol. I'd most definitly be there!

[IamMrDJ]

Oh you should see my WrestleMania parties. They are an all-day event. We watch old WrestleManias and have a SmackDown Video Game tournament where the winner gets a few Wrestling DVD's. Then of course is the food, Pizza, Sandwiches, Drinks, Hot Wings, Chips and of course Tums. The party starts at ten in the morning and WrestleMAnai doesn't even start till 6.


Oh BTW, Brock and Sable are now engaged. Chyna performed with her band at a UPW show and was booed off the stage after one song.

[Se7en the movie]

just as a sidenote, doesnt chyna hate everyone? well according to her book.

[IamMrDJ]

Well Chyna may hate everyone but she is still in need of money adn that is why a Sex Tape of her adn Sean getting released is not upsetting her.

[Se7en the movie]

it that sex tape real?!?! who wants to see that? does it envolve bronco busting.......

[IamMrDJ]

YEah it is real, she was on HOward Stern and a couple people called in about it. IT is getting relesaed in about a month to the public. She does not care about it getting released.

[Inval1d]

i want to see it ;)


Dj, your parties sound awesome! :D

[jbailey84]

Oh you should see my WrestleMania parties. They are an all-day event. We watch old WrestleManias and have a SmackDown Video Game tournament where the winner gets a few Wrestling DVD's. Then of course is the food, Pizza, Sandwiches, Drinks, Hot Wings, Chips and of course Tums. The party starts at ten in the morning and WrestleMAnai doesn't even start till 6. damn that sounds like so much fun!

[ZombieMan]

[QUOTE=IamMrDJ] We watch old WrestleManias and have a SmackDown Video Game tournament[\QUOTE]

AWSOME, we have Smackdown tournaments before our NWA wrestling shows backstage. HAHA, one of us brings a tv and a PS2 and then I bring my game and the loser gets to take knife-edged chops from the winner. :omg: Its fun!

[Inval1d]

:lol: :lol:

that sounds fun.

have you won before?

[Se7en the movie]

i'm looking at a few sites and i see only two matches confirmed for summerslam, they are JBL vs Undertaker and Eddie vs. Angle. Since summerslam is this sunday.....are they cutting it a bit close?

[IamMrDJ]

Se7en here are the official confirmed matches.

* Below is the current card for this months WWE PPV SummerSlam:

Raw Brand Matches

World Championship
- Chris Benoit vs. Randy Orton

Intercontinental Championship
- Edge vs. Chris Jericho vs. Batista

Kane vs. Matt Hardy
- The winner will marry Lita

- Triple H vs. Eugene

- Raw Divs vs. Diva Contestants in Dodgebal Game

- Possibly Add Tag Title MAtch as well

SmackDown! Brand Matches

WWE Championship
- John Bradshaw Layfield vs. The Undertaker

U.S. Championship Match One in a “Best Of Five” Series
- Booker T vs. John Cena

- Kurt Angle vs. Eddie Guerrero

- Dudley Boyz vs. Rey, Kidman and London

[Inval1d]

RAW Matches:

World Title Match
Chris Benoit vs. Randy Orton

'Til Death Do Us Part Match
Kane vs. Matt Hardy

WWE Intercontinental Title Match
Chris Jericho vs. Edge vs. Batista

Dodgeball Game
Actual RAW Divas vs. RAW Diva Search Contestants

Triple H vs. Eugene

Smackdown Matches:

WWE Title Match
John Bradshaw Layfield vs. The Undertaker

WWE U.S. Title Match
Booker T vs. John Cena

Eddie Guerrero vs. Kurt Angle

Rey Mysterio, Billy Kidman, & Paul London vs. D-Von Dudley, Bubba Ray Dudley, & Spike Dudley

[IamMrDJ]

Ha Ha I beat you Inval1d

[Se7en the movie]

thanks guys. Right let me now make my predictions for SUMMERSLAM!

World Championship
- Chris Benoit vs. Randy Orton
- ORTON!

Intercontinental Championship
- Edge vs. Chris Jericho vs. Batista
- EDGE!

Kane vs. Matt Hardy
- The winner will marry Lita
- KANE!

- Triple H vs. Eugene
- TRIPLE H!

- Raw Divs vs. Diva Contestants in Dodgebal Game
- RAW DIVAS!

WWE Championship
- John Bradshaw Layfield vs. The Undertaker
- JBL!

U.S. Championship Match Best Of Five
- Booker T vs. John Cena
- BOOKER T!

- Kurt Angle vs. Eddie Guerrero
- EDDIE!

- Dudley Boyz vs. Rey, Kidman and London
- REY, KIDMAN AND LONDON!

[Inval1d]

well mine looks more prettier :P :P

[IamMrDJ]

Who cares about looks? I posted before you and that is all that matters.

:Kicks Inval1d in the gut and gives him a Pedigree:

[Inval1d]

*In Eugene's Character*


But.....It's More Pretty!

Your a bad man DJ Bad man your are.

[chewie]

thanks guys. Right let me now make my predictions for SUMMERSLAM!

World Championship
- Chris Benoit vs. Randy Orton
- ORTON!

Intercontinental Championship
- Edge vs. Chris Jericho vs. Batista
- EDGE!

Kane vs. Matt Hardy
- The winner will marry Lita
- KANE!

- Triple H vs. Eugene
- TRIPLE H!

- Raw Divs vs. Diva Contestants in Dodgebal Game
- RAW DIVAS!

WWE Championship
- John Bradshaw Layfield vs. The Undertaker
- JBL!

U.S. Championship Match Best Of Five
- Booker T vs. John Cena
- BOOKER T!

- Kurt Angle vs. Eddie Guerrero
- EDDIE!

- Dudley Boyz vs. Rey, Kidman and London
- REY, KIDMAN AND LONDON!

I think I agree with you on all the matches except: I think Angle will win and I think the Dudley Boyz will win.

[IamMrDJ]

RAW Matches:

World Title Match
Chris Benoit vs. Randy Orton
ORTON (Goes Face In The Process, Turns on Evolution)

'Til Death Do Us Part Match
Kane vs. Matt Hardy
KANE (Lita Turns Heel and Joins Kane)

WWE Intercontinental Title Match
Chris Jericho vs. Edge vs. Batista
EDGE (Edge and Batista team up on Y2J, Edge is new Evo member)

Dodgeball Game
Actual RAW Divas vs. RAW Diva Search Contestants
RAW DIVAS

Triple H vs. Eugene
EUGENE (Regal Helps)

Smackdown Matches:

WWE Title Match
John Bradshaw Layfield vs. The Undertaker
UNDERTAKER (Not COunting On It Though)

WWE U.S. Title Match
Booker T vs. John Cena
CENA

Eddie Guerrero vs. Kurt Angle
ANGLE

Rey Mysterio, Billy Kidman, & Paul London vs. D-Von Dudley, Bubba Ray Dudley, & Spike Dudley
Those Damn DUDLEYZ

[Warren]

World Heavyweight Championship
Chris Benoit vs. Randy Orton
Winner- Chris Benoit (I damn well hope so)

Kane vs. Matt Hardy
Winner- Kane

WWE Intercontinental Title Match
Chris Jericho vs. Edge vs. Batista
Winner- Edge

Dodgeball Game
Actual RAW Divas vs. RAW Diva Search Contestants
Winner- Real divas (I don't care, though)

Triple H vs. Eugene
Winner- Eugene

WWE Title Match
John Bradshaw Layfield vs. The Undertaker
Winner- Undertaker

WWE U.S. Title Match
Booker T vs. John Cena
Winner- Booker T

Eddie Guerrero vs. Kurt Angle
Winner- Kurt Angle

Rey Mysterio, Billy Kidman, & Paul London vs. D-Von Dudley, Bubba Ray Dudley, & Spike Dudley
Winners- Dudley Boyz

[ZombieMan]

RAW Matches:

World Title Match
Chris Benoit vs. Randy Orton
ORTON (Goes Face In The Process, Turns on Evolution)

'Til Death Do Us Part Match
Kane vs. Matt Hardy
KANE (Lita Turns Heel and Joins Kane)

WWE Intercontinental Title Match
Chris Jericho vs. Edge vs. Batista
EDGE (Edge and Batista team up on Y2J, Edge is new Evo member)

Dodgeball Game
Actual RAW Divas vs. RAW Diva Search Contestants
RAW DIVAS

Triple H vs. Eugene
EUGENE (Regal Helps)

Smackdown Matches:

WWE Title Match
John Bradshaw Layfield vs. The Undertaker
UNDERTAKER (Not COunting On It Though)

WWE U.S. Title Match
Booker T vs. John Cena
CENA

Eddie Guerrero vs. Kurt Angle
ANGLE

Rey Mysterio, Billy Kidman, & Paul London vs. D-Von Dudley, Bubba Ray Dudley, & Spike Dudley
Those Damn DUDLEYZ

I agree on all of those except the US title match. I think Booker T will retain his title.

[Se7en the movie]

i really think there is no chance of booker t losing the U.S. Title so soon after he won it

[Colorado Cajun]

World Heavyweight Championship
Chris Benoit vs. Randy Orton
Winner- Orton although I'd like to see Benoit hold it a few weeks longer

Kane vs. Matt Hardy
Winner- Kane after Lita turns on Matt

WWE Intercontinental Title Match
Chris Jericho vs. Edge vs. Batista
Winner- Edge hopefully after the return of Christian who helps Edge win

Dodgeball Game
couldn't give a damn

Triple H vs. Eugene
Winner- Eugene with Regal's help

WWE Title Match
John Bradshaw Layfield vs. The Undertaker
Winner- Undertaker

WWE U.S. Title Match
Booker T vs. John Cena
Winner- Booker T after one hell of a good series

Eddie Guerrero vs. Kurt Angle
Winner- Kurt Angle

Rey Mysterio, Billy Kidman, & Paul London vs. D-Von Dudley, Bubba Ray Dudley, & Spike Dudley
Winners- Dudley Boyz
__________________

[Marv]

I thought the Booker T/Cena match was a the first of a series of 3 out of 5 falls in the next few weeks ahead. But I guess it's all in one night? Kinda odd considering there's 7 other matches on the card.

Either way the only thing that intrigues me is Guerrero/Angle and Booker T/Cena. Maybe Benoit/Orton, assuming that Benoit can pull a decent match out of Orton. Other than that, the rest of the card just seems like, meh. But the HHH/Eguene match has had some good build up the past few weeks.

[slinger]

Guerrero and Angle should have match of the night. There WM match was one of the best for the year. Orton/Benoit I would like to see continue onto the next PPV with Orton winning then. Then maybe a fued with Jericho and then leaves Evolution. The Edge/Y2J match was really good last night, going to break didn't help but it was a fine match and adding Batista to the mix should make it better.

Edge joins Evolution? Could work. Getting an assist from Christian would be great especially since its in Toronto. That too will make the PPV better. And notice how they ended last night's match. No winners, so it isn't like oh Orton won again so he'll lose on Sunday. Or Orton tapped out so it looks like Benoit loses. Eugene came in and laid the punches on everyone so it was pretty even.

[Inval1d]

i was just in my room earlier and the phone rang. I picked it up and John Cena was on the other line :funny: (it was a recording)

He was like

"Yo Yo Yo Don't Forget To Purchase Summerslam"

I was like " I Won't"

and i hung up on him. ;)

[jbailey84]

World Heavyweight Championship
Chris Benoit vs. Randy Orton
Winner- Orton

Kane vs. Matt Hardy
Winner- Kane

WWE Intercontinental Title Match
Chris Jericho vs. Edge vs. Batista
Winner- Jericho

Dodgeball Game
Actual RAW Divas vs. RAW Diva Search Contestants
Winner- Raw Divas

Triple H vs. Eugene
Winner- Eugene, with some help

WWE Title Match
John Bradshaw Layfield vs. The Undertaker
Winner- Undertaker

WWE U.S. Title Match
Booker T vs. John Cena
Winner- Cena

Eddie Guerrero vs. Kurt Angle
Winner- Angle

Rey Mysterio, Billy Kidman, & Paul London vs. D-Von Dudley, Bubba Ray Dudley, & Spike Dudley
Winners- Dudleyz

[jbailey84]

from rajah.com

- Right now, the long-term plan is for Triple H to wrestle Randy Orton for the World title at next year’s Wrestlemania. Triple H originally wanted this match for this year’s Wrestlemania but he and others realized that it was much too early for it to happen.

- At this point, Orton is expected to defeat Chris Benoit at Summerslam this Sunday, possibly via interference from Edge who would turn heel. Under this scenario, Edge would then feud with Benoit over the Intercontinental title while Orton would be left to face the likes of Chris Jericho, Shawn Michaels and Benoit. Meanwhile, Triple H would continue to feud with Eugene.

[Colorado Cajun]

I like that plan

[jbailey84]

wonder how long the HHH/Eugene feud will last?

[i am backkkk]

not long

[jbailey84]

well looks like Rena"Sable"Mero has gotten the pink slip...again! there was no reason as of now on why she was released.

[ZombieMan]

I always knew that it was a bad idea to bring her back in the first place. I'm actually glad that she is gone now from WWE.

[glsspder]

Did anyone want icecream after that diva segment monday?

[Inval1d]

nope they all made ice cream look embarassing to eat.


no really, they all sucked.. ;)

[glsspder]

Iwas waiting to see if any othem tried to eat a banana but none of the touched one :meanie:

[IamMrDJ]

well looks like Rena"Sable"Mero has gotten the pink slip...again! there was no reason as of now on why she was released.

The most likely reason stems from her attitude backstage now that she and Brock are engaged and the comments she made in a Newspaper Interview last week. She talked about Male wrestlers can have families at home but Female wrestlers need to make a choice and if they do not have the California Finish to them (Blonde adn Blue Eyes)

[Inval1d]

SS is this Sunday!


i wish i could get it.. :(

[Colorado Cajun]

I might if Knerys wants to

[jbailey84]

SS is this Sunday!


i wish i could get it.. :( same here :(...

[Se7en the movie]

woohoo! Summerslam party at my place!

[IamMrDJ]

Same her Se7en. I gotta go place my order for Pizza today and finsih up last minute things like the Final card for the show to bet on.

Oh for anyone interested. HBK could be at SummerSlam this Sunday to start his feud with Kane. But it all depends if his wife has the baby beforehand. The baby was due Aug. 8th but has not yet arrived. If she has not had the baby by Sunday he will not be at the show and the feud will begin soon after she has the baby.

[ZombieMan]

Just got my Summerslam party setup yesterday! Yayyy, looks like there is some interesting matches on the card. Looking better than last year's Summerslam anyhow.

[Colorado Cajun]

here is what I would like to see to really make Raw watchable again

I would like to see Christian return to help Edge win his match and keep his IC Title

I want Orton to beat Benoit clean and then on Raw dismantle Evolution. I would like to see him then start a new heel faction with Edge and Christian

I would like for HHH to war with Eugene and beat him down so far and yet Eugene doesn't give up. HHH then sees the heart Eugene has and leave the match. He could then be of tv for a few weeks and return as a face who has learned that heart will get you further than hate

I would like to see Batista join with tomko and help build a solid tag division

I would like for Flair to finally do nothing but manage Orton, Edge and Christian

I would like for Hurricane to then be built into a solid and damn good feud with Christian

I would like for Benoit to feud with Edge

I would like for Jericho to then start a classic feud with Orton for the world title

I want them to decide that all of this diva crap is pathetic and have Alexis Laree or Daffney come in and beat the **** out of all of them

I would like for Lita to admit the entire baby angle was bogus and that she was just using Matt to gain Kane's power

I would like a returning HBK to go after Kane

[Se7en the movie]

I want them to decide that all of this diva crap is pathetic and have Alexis Laree or Daffney come in and beat the **** out of all of them

I would like for Lita to admit the entire baby angle was bogus and that she was just using Matt to gain Kane's power

I would like a returning HBK to go after Kane

is daffney coming to WWE? i hope so, i always liked her.....

i think a HBK/Kane feud wouldnt be too good, styles clash too much...

also i dont like the idea of lita saying she was using matt to gain kane's power, sounds like a little bit of a desperate cop out to me. Just have lita join kane and be done with this angle

[Colorado Cajun]

well they have to do something to give Lita an edge and explain why there is no baby. If not it'll end up that she gives birth to a gremlin or something lol

HBK vs Kane could be damn good if done right. Both men can perform well when given the chance and it hasn't been done to death. Plus Kane did take him out

[IamMrDJ]

here is what I would like to see to really make Raw watchable again

I would like to see Christian return to help Edge win his match and keep his IC Title

I want Orton to beat Benoit clean and then on Raw dismantle Evolution. I would like to see him then start a new heel faction with Edge and Christian

I would like for HHH to war with Eugene and beat him down so far and yet Eugene doesn't give up. HHH then sees the heart Eugene has and leave the match. He could then be of tv for a few weeks and return as a face who has learned that heart will get you further than hate

I would like to see Batista join with tomko and help build a solid tag division

I would like for Flair to finally do nothing but manage Orton, Edge and Christian

I would like for Hurricane to then be built into a solid and damn good feud with Christian

I would like for Benoit to feud with Edge

I would like for Jericho to then start a classic feud with Orton for the world title

I want them to decide that all of this diva crap is pathetic and have Alexis Laree or Daffney come in and beat the **** out of all of them

I would like for Lita to admit the entire baby angle was bogus and that she was just using Matt to gain Kane's power

I would like a returning HBK to go after Kane

These all sound great MAtt. Some seem possible while some a little more far fetched but all good overall.

Orton breaking up Evolution would be great. Seeing him, Edge and Christian in a stable of thier own would be awesome. We would finally have a stable with a contender for a major singles title and a tag title.

The Diva search will not end because they ahve already put so much into it. I just hope they will ease off of it adn fast.

Hurricane needs a good feud, it will have to be after he gets back from surgery. He has not been able to breathe through his nose lately and has to have reconstructive surgery on it. There is no set time for his return.

Raw does need a good Tag Division, WWE as a whole needs one because both shows have 'a' good tag team and that is it. All fo the other tag teams are thrown together. Next years draft lottery needs to help re-form some tag teams because te tag division has gone south on both shows this last year.

An Edge vs Benoit will be nice to see because both are very good wrestlers. An Orton and Jericho feud would be great because Y2J needs another feud for the world title.

Kane and HBK are set to feud on his return and that should put to rest MAtt Hardy going after Kane especially during his rehab.

[jbailey84]

Yayyy, looks like there is some interesting matches on the card. Looking better than last year's Summerslam anyhow. last year's wasn't that bad.

the Fatal 4 way with Rhyno, Tajiri, Benoit, and U.S. Champ Eddie was awesome!

Kurt Vs Brock pt2 was pretty good. loved the ending when the crowd was chanting You Suck to his music and Angle says to the crowd "Who sucks? You Suck! You Suck!" along with his music!! lol great stuff.

and the Elimination Chamber was something alright. i'm not a huge fan of Goldberg as i know how most of you feel towards him, but it was cool to see the old WCW Monster Goldberd return at that point.

i think the best Summer Slam i had seen has to be Summer Slam '92. Ultimate Warrior Vs Randy Savage for the title & Bret Hart Vs British Bulldog for the Intercontinental Title were the best matches.

Summer Slam 2002 was pretty good also. :D

[beyond_th3]

Yeah I agree, Summerslam '92 was awesome, I loved '94 and it is special to me because my cable company slipped and gave it to us for free and that was the first time I saw wrestling and was instantly hooked. This summerslam will be my tenth anniversary so to speak.

[jbailey84]

BREAKING NEWS ABOUT HBK/SUMMERSLAM
from rajah.com

- We have heard that Shawn Michaels’ wife gave birth late Thursday evening / early Friday morning. As stated previously, Michaels was planning on attending SummerSlam, but said he would miss the PPV if his wife hadn’t given birth by Sunday since he wanted to be there with her. It now looks like everything is good to go for his return and likely interference in the Kane vs Matt Hardy match which would then set up a Kane / HBK feud after the PPV.

[ZombieMan]

I personally liked Summerslam of 1996.

[Inval1d]

1Wrestling.com is reporting that Bret Hart made the trip to Toronto after making an appearance in Buffalo yesterday. He planned to meet with WWE officials.

As far as is known, Bret was not scheduled to appear tonight, but "never say never" when talking about WWE. All that is known is that Bret is expected to be in Toronto. Read into it however you choose, but just remember that there is absolutely no confirmation of any appearance tonight.

[ZombieMan]

Here is my opinions on Summerslam tonight.

World Heavyweight Title Match: Chris Benoit vs. Randy Orton: This match was my 2nd favorite match of the night, and I was soooo glad to see Orton win the title. Congrats to Orton and I think he will make a face turn now.

WWE Championship: John Bradshaw Layfield vs. The Undertaker: This match was kind of boring and it was soooo boring that the crowd even started doing a wave, lol. Anyhow, Bradshaw won because Taker' got DQ'ed for using the belt.

Eddie Guerrero vs. Kurt Angle:Overall this was my favorite match of the night with alot of technical mat wrestling. I enjoyed it alot! Angle pulled off the win though.

Intercontinental Championship: Edge vs. Batista vs. Jericho: I wasn't really into this match much. I didn't even see half of it because I was getting something to eat, but I did see Edge pull off the win.

Till Death Do Us Part Match: Kane vs. Matt Hardy: Very short match and it really sucked too I thought. Kane pulled off the win and Lita was acting all freaked out, we really didn't see a heel turn from her. Though I did expect it tonight, and no HBK either.

Triple H vs. Eugene: Decent match, is was alright but could have been alot better I think. Triple H picks up the win and I expected that, also I kind of knew that Ric Flair would get involved.

U.S. Championship: John Cena vs. Booker T: Booker T seemed to be going kind of slow tonight. He wasn't acting his norm, I didn't think anyhow. Cena pulled off the win as I had predicted and hopefully he picks up the title.

Six-man Tag Team Match: Dudleyz and Spike vs. Paul London, Rey Jr., and Kidman: My 3rd favorite match of the night. I WAS SURPRISED, BIG TIME! Paul London put on a helluva show, good job to him! Dudleyz won the match though, and I liked seeing Spike as a heel for once.

Diva Dodgeball: Search Contestants won and I don't think any of them got eliminated. The Raw Diva's SUCKED BAD.

My overall opinion of Summerslam is that mostly, it sucked. I only enjoyed 3 of the matches alot.

[IamMrDJ]

I have decided to start writing a weekly or bi-monthly commentary on different subjects related to wrestling. I wrote my first one off my head last week regarding HBK and Test in the Wrestling Tournament thread. My first one will be on SummerSlam tonight and where it looks to be taking wrestling. I would love for people to PM me ideas for future commentaries as I really enjoy writing about wrestling and Snik has pointed out I am good at it. So in the next day or so my first commentary will be up and I hope you enjoy it and will discuss it.

[sniktawt]

What a terrible show Summerslam was.

The Canadian Crowd killed this PPV big time.They were just so against the faces and started dumb chants and just ruined any heat the wrestlers and story lines were looking for.

John Cena was just awful tonight , one of the worst performances I have seen in a long time.He and Booker looked lost.
This 3-5 series is off to a terrible start.

Taker and JBL was even worse than I expected.No way was Taker Jobbing to this guy so they went with the lame DQ win.

At least Orton won , turning him face may be a mistake though because he sucked before as a face.His gimmick is good he should stick with it.

Overall rating 1.5/5 (Just a poor effort)

[ZombieMan]

^^^ I hope WWE doesn't take the Canadian fans seriously that was at the PPV tonight.

[sniktawt]

Like I mentioned the fans killed the PPV.
They were just bastards.
Vince was probably not pleased.

[sniktawt]

SS is this Sunday!


i wish i could get it.. :(

You never missed a thing.

I am so becoming more of a TNA fan everyday.
WWE sucks beyond belief.They better get their acts together because they are just bad lately.

[slinger]

What a terrible show Summerslam was.

The Canadian Crowd killed this PPV big time.They were just so against the faces and started dumb chants and just ruined any heat the wrestlers and story lines were looking for.

John Cena was just awful tonight , one of the worst performances I have seen in a long time.He and Booker looked lost.
This 3-5 series is off to a terrible start.

Taker and JBL was even worse than I expected.No way was Taker Jobbing to this guy so they went with the lame DQ win.

At least Orton won , turning him face may be a mistake though because he sucked before as a face.His gimmick is good he should stick with it.

Overall rating 1.5/5 (Just a poor effort)

Canadian fans are smart fans. Taker/JBL DQ is just like Lesner/Taker all over again. Remember way back at the Royal Rumble when it was Benoit and Orton for a good while?

[beyond_th3]

Like I mentioned the fans killed the PPV.
They were just bastards.
Vince was probably not pleased.


I agree with you, it got to a point where even the king began to complain about the canadians. They do that everytime WWE goes to canada, did you hear the crowd yelling to benoit - YOU SCREWED BRET! Come on do they yell that chant to everyone?

[Warren]

GOD DAMN ORTON. F**KING ORTON. I hate him so much.

[sniktawt]

Orton will be the next big Wrestling star , the upcoming promos with a jealous Trips should be fantastic.

Benoit , you are the weakest Link , Now you can just go away.;)

[sniktawt]

Canadian fans are smart fans.

Well thank you , as you may or may not know , I am canadian. ;)
And I like to think I am a smart fan.
I just hate Canadian Wrestlers , well most except Jericho and Petey Williams.

[glsspder]

Man sounds like the PPV was a bust. Glad i didn't pay the money for it.

[spiderman_2k]

I watched it from 1am-4am last night...Usually in the UK we dont have to pay for PPV's, last one was TGAB which I did pay for, but im glad I didnt have to pay for this, what a major letdown this PPV was.

[true fan11212]

I haven't been very interested in a WWE Pay Per View in a while and Summer Slam was no different. There were some good matches(I'm glad Orton won. I like Benoit but I like Orton as well. Also, Eddie and Kurt's match was pretty good) but overall, it was as mediocre as the other PPV's have been this year(and last, honestly). They just don't hold my interest like they use to.

[Se7en the movie]

This is the first WWE PPV i've seen since bad blood with the HHH vs. HBK hell in a cell and having not watched RAW as religiously as i used to, how some of these matches (one in perticular) came about was a bit of a mystery. But when i heard the card a few weeks back, i knew i had to see it, i mean benoit vs orton? thats got classic written all over it, as does guerrero vs angle (as there wrestlemania match was exceptional). So i went to my friends house (no sky sports in my house, one reason why i dont see WWE too often) and me and my two other friends sat down to what turned out to be an interesting night....

These matches are reviewed in order of awesomeness:
Batista vs Edge vs Jericho
Now, i knew who would win this match. It was obvious, but what wasnt obvious was the reaction the fans gave Edge (a fellow canadian who usually get all the support canada has to offer). So i understand it though the fans have been booing him for quite sometime and now, so it seems from this match, WWE will turn him heel. I thought this match was decent, jericho was great as per usual (how he isnt main eventing is beyond me), edge was good (he is a better heel really) and batista did very little but did it with the kinda raw power you expect from him. An edge vs. jericho match might've worked out better, but i cant fault batista's presence in the WWE and if he possibly did more in that match, he would've impressed me. Also i thought this match was a little short and was surprised jericho lost the way he did with just a spear, he should've really kicked out of it. Poor match for the guys who were in it, but not the worst i've ever seen.
WINNER: EDGE

John Cena vs Booker T
OK, maybe i shouldnt be judging this match as i obviously didnt understand the rules at all. My friends and myself all were convinced that this would be a best of 5 match which would be settled tonight. Just like a best of 3 that we've seen over the years like Benoit vs. Angle for Angle's medals, but how wrong we were. When the match ended and Cena left, i assumed that the remain bouts would happen later that night, again i was wrong. So looking back, the match was criminally short and though a good enough contest, could've done with way more time if it was to be their only match that night.
WINNER: John Cena

Matt Hardy vs. Kane
You may be asking why i put this before the other two, well there is two reasons 1) Top rope chokeslam 2) top rope side-effect. Did i ever mark out to those moves! But yet again match was too short. I like both Matt and Kane but since this was such a bizarre match and with so much on the line, they should've made is falls count anywhere, also something big should've happened, as lita didnt turn heel and shawn michaels didnt turn up. This match just sent the angle into places that it shouldnt really be going. It was good.
WINNER: Kane

Paul London/Billy Kidman/Rey Myterio vs The Dudleys
I loved this match! What a great opening. WWE dont usually have the best opening matches for PPVs but i really enjoyed this. London is such an exceptional wrestler and showed some of what he can do. His senton over the top rope was brilliant. It wasnt just London but everyone really made this a great opener. OK, so you're probably saying that i am overselling this match, but you must admit for an opener it was really entertaining.
WINNER: The Dudleys

JBL vs The Undertaker
Well.......well......well, i was very pleasently surprised by this match. I havent really seen much of JBL's recent matches but from everything i heard about him, it really appears that he is not World Title material. Then i saw this match and my mind changed. JBL really gave it his all and i found this match to be far beyond what i thought it would be. It had the right amount of suspense and lasted long enough to make it entertaining without getting boring. The crowd doing a mexican wave kinda pissed me off since these guys are giving it their all to entertain them! Also i hope that idiot that jumped the railing got his ass kicked.....In any case, I enjoyed that match and the only thing i didnt like was how they ended it with a DQ, its kinda a lame way to end a match and makes neither man look good. Though i loved the chokeslam through the limo, fantastic way to end it.
WINNER: JBL

Angle vs. Guerrero
Being that these two men are two of the finest wrestlers in the WWE is probably why i wanted to see more of this match then i was given. Dont get me wrong, what i saw was fantastic, great mat wrestling and i couldnt help rooting for both men. But the problem was it was too short and it has to be said that their Wrestlemania match was better. Then again, with such Wrestlemania was such a hard act to follow. Great match but just exceptional like i would've hoped.
WINNER: Kurt Angle

Eugene vs. HHH
Brilliant. Eugene and HHH fought one hell of a match. All i can fault the on was the crowd ruining the atmostphere. i cant really understand why they booed eugene, i was as confused as The King during this match but i still thought they put on a great show. Also i was delighted to see Ric Flair come down and then William Regal culminating in a brass knuckles shot to Flair. HHH made me laugh with sheer enjoyment when he faked the injury and then attacked Eugene. Eugene had me rooting for him to win so much, when he nailed HHH with a stunner, a rock bottom and a predigree. The damn audience was the only thing that ruined this match for me. I'd like this match to show that HHH is one of the greats at the moment, forget his backstage influence, just look at him for what he is in the ring, a great showman and a highly skilled wrestler.
WINNER: Triple H

Randy Orton vs. Chris Benoit
Maybe its a little cliche to call this my fave, but i really did like it that much. The crowd were behind both men, which i was fine with, both men showed off their skill and gave us the kinda match i expected. I'm not sure how to praise this match without repeating myself, i just really, really enjoyed it and seeing orton get the gold shocked me, but didnt disappoint me, i like the idea of orton as a champ. If i were to nitpick, i would say that benoit should've kicked out of the RKO the first time but i really cant dispute a fine match like this. Some of you may not think this was a classic but it was certainly match of the night.
WINNER: Randy Orton

[sniktawt]

Excellent Reviews 7 altho We may have been watching a different PPV , but they are extremely well wrote.

[Se7en the movie]

thanks a lot, i spent a lot of time on it so i hope someone would like it.

[sniktawt]

Yeah I liked the reviews , best I seen on here since DJ's.

Although you should have mentioned that Cena put in one of the worst performances in PPV history , He was lazy and the match was a dud.If the rest of the series are this bad I can see Cena getting demoted to mid card very fast.
He better step it up in the next bouts.

Booker has been getting worse and worse lately so he's excused because no one cares about him anyways but Cena's performance was just awful to say the least.

[ZombieMan]

I use to write for a site called WrestleWar that doesn't exist anymore, but I might start doing a bigger and alot better review than the one I gave, I just made it short and sweet because I figured people were wanting to read the results pretty quick so I tried to put it up fast.

[jbailey84]

yeah great review 7.

[Marv]

This was the first PPV I saw in a long time. And now it's probably going to be another long time before I watch another one.

I liked the HHH/Eugene and Angle/Eddie matches. Other than that though, I was pretty much disapointed in the event.

A DQ finish in a World Title match at a PPV is a serious no no IMO. But I was glad to see the Bradshaw/UT match come to an end. That was just painful to watch. How Bradshaw is the World Champ is a mystery to me. I guess they just love having dead crowds, save for the fans entertaining themselves during a World Title match. They should send some kind of clue to Vince. But it was pretty funny seeing the Undertaker jump around like he was boxing. Wouldn't bother me that much if it was still "American Badass" Undertaker. But after this whole time they're trying to give it more of a "Deadman" Undertaker feel, it just seems like a joke. They are doing a great job of destroying a legendary wrestling figure IMO.

That would've been pretty funny if the fan that was walking on the limo's roof fell through and messed up the chokeslam stunt.

[beyond_th3]

Is it me or was Randy Orton's championship career pushed just a little too early? I get that they wanted to break brocks record of being the youngest champion(which I think should have stayed 26, the age of the rock when he first became champ). After watching tonights opener of raw, I am far from convinced that Orton could pull off being a world champ(And I am still pissed off that Orton beat Benoit so easily last night).

[slinger]

Well thank you , as you may or may not know , I am canadian. ;)
And I like to think I am a smart fan.
I just hate Canadian Wrestlers , well most except Jericho and Petey Williams.

So why are you complaining if the booed Edge? It's similar to The Rock and his heel turn when he was getting booed in Toronto (WM18) and Long Island (SummerSlam 2002) when he was still the number one face. They know Edge will turn heel. Winnipeg booed Eguene when he was GM, terrible character. They've made the best out of the situation but instead of cutting wrestlers its time they got rid of writers. The fans paid good money to be entertained. A JBL/Undertaker Title Match doesn't fit in the entertainment category. It's a refreshing change when the WWE airs from Canada or the New York area.

[IamMrDJ]

OK, CC has gotta be happy with Lita tongiht. She still looked good adn then MAtt Hardy came out wearing a Punisher Bowling Shirt. It looked awesome.

[sniktawt]

I wish they'd fire Lita , she's so out of style it's ridiculous.

[slinger]

It would've been better if Evolution cost him the match, Benoit winning back the gold. Then at No Mercy have a HHH/Benoit No DQ Evolution Barred from ring side match (Orton does a run in).

At Survivor Series bring back the Elimination Chamber and include:
Benoit, Orton, Jericho, HHH, Batista, Kane, HBK & Christian. Yes a 8 man Elimination Chamber to make it interesting. Orton pins HHH and then gets the RKO on Benoit winning the title back.

At Armageddon its Orton vs Edge for the Title, HHH wins the Royal Rumble and Orton wins his match against Kane? they seem to have him face every Champion. Then at WrestleMania 21 its Orton/HHH with Randy being the victor but loses it to Trips at Backlash.

[Kyle Katarn]

*comes out of retirement - Sweet Chin Music's snik - returns to retirement* ;)

[IamMrDJ]

It would've been better if Evolution cost him the match, Benoit winning back the gold. Then at No Mercy have a HHH/Benoit No DQ Evolution Barred from ring side match (Orton does a run in).

At Survivor Series bring back the Elimination Chamber and include:
Benoit, Orton, Jericho, HHH, Batista, Kane, HBK & Christian. Yes a 8 man Elimination Chamber to make it interesting. Orton pins HHH and then gets the RKO on Benoit winning the title back.

At Armageddon its Orton vs Edge for the Title, HHH wins the Royal Rumble and Orton wins his match against Kane? they seem to have him face every Champion. Then at WrestleMania 21 its Orton/HHH with Randy being the victor but loses it to Trips at Backlash.

So what would the whole point of Orton winning the belt then? Orton is going to be a great champion. People criticized the WWE when they made the Rock the champ at such a young age but you know what it paid off. Orton has got so much talent. Just watching that video package on him tongiht was great. We have had enough Benoit adn Triple H to last a long time now. BEnoit and Triple H is not anything near the Triple H/HBK matches. BEnoit like Snik says does the same few moves all fo the time. HBK and Triple H always put on great matches but after the first couple BEnoit adn Triple H matches it got boring. Last nights match was a great passing of the torch to Orton adn tongihts was a great one to. I knew he would retain tongiht but was not sure how adn I did not expect the turn of Evolution against him to happen tonight which was surprising. I will go into this more in my commentary I am working on.

As for furture plans I would like to see some Orton vs. Triple H matches coming up as well as some ORton vs. Y2J matches.

[slinger]

So what would the whole point of Orton winning the belt then? Orton is going to be a great champion. People criticized the WWE when they made the Rock the champ at such a young age but you know what it paid off. Orton has got so much talent. Just watching that video package on him tongiht was great. We have had enough Benoit adn Triple H to last a long time now. BEnoit and Triple H is not anything near the Triple H/HBK matches. BEnoit like Snik says does the same few moves all fo the time. HBK and Triple H always put on great matches but after the first couple BEnoit adn Triple H matches it got boring. Last nights match was a great passing of the torch to Orton adn tongihts was a great one to. I knew he would retain tongiht but was not sure how adn I did not expect the turn of Evolution against him to happen tonight which was surprising. I will go into this more in my commentary I am working on.

As for furture plans I would like to see some Orton vs. Triple H matches coming up as well as some ORton vs. Y2J matches.

So Orton was kicked out of Evolution. If he lost he most likely would've remained in the group. If he had won and lost the championship in 24 hours due to HHH, Batista and Flair then there would be hate. With tonight he's still champion. Who cares? He won the match and they beat him up. Who has the gold?

It would've been Orton and Triple H both going after the belt one uping each other and making sure the other guy comes out on the losing side. Both would have motiviation. The plan it seems is to have Randy vs HHH at WrestleMania 21. That's a little ways off. They were able to stall Angle/Lesner with The Big Show and a Handicap Tag Match. By letting Benoit hold it for another two months you get the fans behind a face Orton so when he wins again he's over more. ? Just to change things, hold off on the big match, have plenty of buildup for it and not make everything predictable.

[IamMrDJ]

OK but the problem with your idea of him losing it tongiht is that he just beomces another Kane. Kane won the title and lostit the next night. How many world titles has Kane won since then? ZERO The reason is because the fans did not get behind him anymore. He was pushed down the ladder after losing the match and when he woudl try to climb back up the steps broke and he fell just further. Triple H is pretty much Vince Jr. and he has helped to develop this character of Randy and this upcoming angle. Over the aost year Randy has grown to be a great in-ring and on-mic star. I still remember last year when he beat up Foley and pushed him down the stairs and called for a janitor. He is one of the two big up and coming superstars right now in WWE. The other one chatted with him last night at SummerSlam, JOhn Cena. Yes Cena's match last ngiht was nowhere near his potential but I know he can come out of it and will go on to be a great superstar in a year we could see him witht he WWE Heavyweight Title. Both of these Men are the future of the WWE. That is where we are moving, and to do taht we need to go with fresh faces, fresh ideas and fresh champions like Randy Orton. ~ The Professor has spoken take it for what its worth.

[slinger]

Well Kane not winning another title just isn't because the fans aren't behind him. I see your point. It was just a suggestion. It just happened that the rematch was tonight. If it was say three weeks from now, since there is no RAW PPV until October, it might appear better. I just see the WWE putting Randy in a tough spot right now with the other wrestlers and the storyline they might go.

[IamMrDJ]

Actually Raw has got the September 12th PPV Unforgiven coming up. NO Mercy on October 3rd is a SmackDown PPV, because then 2 weeks later on a Tuesday is a Raw only PPV. YEs SD is usually taped on Tuesdays but taht week it will be taped on the Sunday before Raw.

[slinger]

Actually Raw has got the September 12th PPV Unforgiven coming up. NO Mercy on October 3rd is a SmackDown PPV, because then 2 weeks later on a Tuesday is a Raw only PPV. YEs SD is usually taped on Tuesdays but taht week it will be taped on the Sunday before Raw.

Oh. Vengance was RAW so I thought it would be Smackdown for Unforgiven, No Mercy and Taboo Tuesday for either brand. Just a long time for a Smackdown PPV. The Great American Bash at the end of June, SummerSlam mid-August and then No Mercy in early October. While RAW has had Bad Blood, Vengance, SummerSlam, Unforgiven and Taboo Tuesday. Wrestlers from RAW have a PPV every month while Smackdown get 3 out of 5.

[IamMrDJ]

Well I am not really minding it because Raw only PPV's are more enjoyable then SD ones. SD PPV's are just awful so a longer wait is fine by me.

[ZombieMan]

I never order Smackdown PPV's.

[Marv]

I don't really mind seeing Orton as a champion. It's the part of seeing HHH in the World Title picture again that's really annoying. He was out of it for like what........ 2 PPVs this year? And he still main-evented w/ HBK in a HIAC at Bad Blood, which overshadowed Kane/Benoit. I'm sorry, but I've been ready to see a legit World Title feud w/o HHH involved. It's sad how increasingly repetitive the booking has become.

[chewie]

I'm about ready to give my VCR the big elbow drop from the top of the couch. Stupid timer not working. I was pissed when I read what happened on Raw. I wish Spike would re-air the broadcast like an hour later. It would get better ratings that the stuff they are showing now. I always did like it when Nitro would re-air.

[jbailey84]

BIG NEWS!! BRET HART RETURNS TO THE RING!!! well on PS2 that is :P

from rajah.com

We found out today that in addition to legendary wrestlers such as Andre the Giant, WWE has added Bret Hart to their soon-to-be-released PS2 video game, WWE SmackDown vs. RAW. This surely is a sign of Hart and WWE’s growing business relationship within the last year.

[glsspder]

Anyone have a rundown on what happen on raw this week, I was out of town.

[LS2002]

Randy Orton came out to start the show. Talked about That the Randy Orton Era has just begun.

Benoit came out and told Orton that he came from Bischoff office and said he has a rematch cause and the rematch will be Tonight.

Rhyno defeated Sylvan Grenier to gain a Tag Team Title Shot vs La Resitance at Unforgiven

Kane read an invitation and this is to everyone all over the world, that Kane requests your presence for his marriage to Lita and that will take place next Monday, the 23rd of August at the Arrowhead Pond from Anaheim, California.

It was then announced Kane would Face Edge for the IC Title

was shown in the backstage area and The Coach caught up with her and asked her if she has any comments now that she is forced to marry Kane? Lita started to leave but Coach asked her what is going through her mind right now? Lita said that she just wants to be left alone and then she went into the women's locker room where the WWE Divas were there with a surprise for Lita, saying congratulations to Lita and Kane. Trish said that they wanted to turn her frown upside down, so they decided to throw her a bridal shower. Molly said that since Lita likes to sleep around so much, here's something that she could really use. First, there is birth control pills and let's not forget the condoms! The WWE Divas then sang "Trojan Man, Trojan Man" and then Gail Kim gave Lita a picture of her and Kane's first kiss. They are obviously in love. They don't have to worry about the baby because here's what it'll look like. Gail held up a picture of a deformed baby. Trish said that they saved the best for last and Jazz brought out a vibrator for those long cold nights when Kane is out of town. Trish said that Lita can thank them now. Lita just looked at the Divas with a look of anger and Trish followed her out of the room, saying that they tried real hard, besides she forgot her condoms. Trish wished Lita good luck next week and Victoria showed up and Trish said great job on Diva Dodgeball. Who was her coach? Stevie Wonder? Victoria responded with a hard slap to Trish

They then showed a Video Package of HBK coming back. JR said he is likely to return at Unforgiven in Portland.

Victoria defated Gail Kim

Trish Stratus came out to the ring and swung at Victoria but Victoria hammered away on Trish Stratus until Tyson Tomko made his way out to the ring and grabbed Victoria from behind. As Tyson held onto Victoria, Trish laid into Victoria with a straight right hand to send her down to the mat. Trish then signaled for Tyson to pick Victoria up and he did just that, lifting Victoria up over his head and then a strange woman came out to the ring and gave Tyson a chop block to knock him down. The crowd chanted "Stevie, Stevie!" and the 'woman' went over to Victoria and you could hear a member of the audience yell 'Steven Richards!!' The 'woman' then turned and walked away as Victoria looked intimidated.

Edge defeated Kane to retain the IC Title with Matts Help

Edge grabbed the Intercontinental Championship and left the ring and Kane sat right up and he locked his eyes on Lita and Lita remained on the outside of the ring, showing no fear. Kane got out of the ring and grabbed a mic and forced Lita into the ring. Kane held onto Lita and he said that Lita would probably think that he'd be angry at what just happened. But he's not. Kane laughed and said that he can see what kind of relationship this is going to be and he is going to enjoy it. And nothing can upset Kane tonight because next week right here, live on RAW, they are getting married! And later that night, they'll consummate their marriage. Lita responded with a hard slap to the face of Kane and Kane said oh yeah, that's the way he likes it. It's going to be a hell of a honeymoon!

Diva Contestant Michelle got voted off

Y2J defeated Batista by DQ when Flair came into the ring.

Batista hammered away on Chris Jericho and then Ric Flair got in the ring and gave Jericho a low blow. Batista then planted Chris Jericho with a spinebuster and then Edge's music hit in the arena and he stormed to the ring to make the save. Flair and Batista stopped Edge from getting in the ring and Edge ran around the ring and tried to get in the ring but was unable to due to Batista and Flair blocking him. Chris Jericho took a look at Edge trying to help him and Edge decided against it and turned back and left. Batista then nailed Chris Jericho and then picked him up and gave him a big time sit down power bomb as Edge looked at Chris Jericho like he was pathetic.

Diva contestants come out again. one final time

Orton and HHH had a talk in the Locker Room

Randy Orton defeated Chris Benoit with the RKO

Ric Flair and Triple H got in the ring and hugged Randy Orton as Batista grabbed Chris Benoit on the outside of the ring and slammed him into the steel steps. Batista got in the ring as well and he hoisted Randy Orton up on his shoulders and held him high in the air as Ric Flair and Triple H celebrated Randy Orton's title victory. Triple H gave Randy Orton the thumbs up and he smiled and then he wiped the smile off his face and gave him the thumbs down and Batista dropped back to slam Randy Orton down to the mat and then Triple H hammered away on Randy Orton with a number of right hands and then Flair gave Orton some right hands followed by some blows by Batista. Batista and Ric Flair held onto Randy Orton and Triple H grabbed the World Championship and talked trash, holding the World Championship in Orton's face. Triple H smacked Randy Orton around and then he showed him the World Title and laid into him with a hard shot to the head with the belt. Randy Orton was bloodied up as a result and Triple H went over and pounded away on Randy Orton some more and you could hear Batista saying that Orton is nothing without Evolution. Triple H picked Randy up and gave him to Batista who planted Randy Orton with the sit down power bomb. Flair then stomped away on Orton and then Triple H planted Randy with the Pedigree and Triple H grabbed the World Title and said that this is him, this is Evolution. Triple H shoved Randy Orton and then stood tall above Orton as the show went off the air.

[Inval1d]

randy seems to be turning face lately.

[Se7en the movie]

the end of RAW was fantastic, very well done by all especially HHH

[ZombieMan]

I enjoyed the ending of Raw and yes I thought HHH did well also!

[glsspder]

The Rock actually made the diva search Watchable :P

[chewie]

To answer the guys question that was another thread, about the rock. I don't think he will come back fulltime for a while, maybe not ever again. The longest he will come back is for a 2 to 3 week stint like at wrestlemania this past year. As for Raw, i would rate it a 7/10. There was only 2 matches if I remember right. They were enjoyable matches, but only two. The Rock/Diva segment took up almost a quarter of the show. I'm a Rock Fan, but in my eyes, no segment should take a quarter of the show unless it is a match. I thought the Edge/Jericho match was very well done except for the ending. What the hell was that? I've never seen anybody get DQ'ed for that. Wrestlers do that to other wrestlers all the time, but that's the first time i've seen it called. Did anybody else think those midgets were creepy in the wedding. oh, and trish's outfit was nice.

[stokecity12003]

will the rock ever return

[jbailey84]

what move did they do in the Jericho/Edge match that got them a DQ?

[sniktawt]

BIG NEWS!! BRET HART RETURNS TO THE RING!!! well on PS2 that is :P

from rajah.com

He also had a Legends Action Figure released this year too.

[IamMrDJ]

TOugh Enough is coming back, sort of. First is was the Raw Diva Talent Search and now we have this.

WWE Looking for People for Reality Show

NEW YORK - World Wrestling Entertainment chairman Vince McMahon is looking for a few good men.

For three seasons, McMahon's WWE granted wrestling contracts via the "Tough Enough" MTV reality competition. McMahon is doing it again, but this time, there's $1 million on the line and a new format.

Unlike the previous gender-friendly "Tough Enough" seasons, which had men and women competing against each other to become the next Triple H or Trish Stratus, the fourth venture will see eight men battling for the four-year contract, WWE spokesman Michael Smith told The Associated Press Monday.

And "Tough Enough" won't be returning to MTV. For eight weeks, the new incarnation will be integrated into "Smackdown!" on UPN, beginning in October and ending in December. Each week, viewers will vote "American Idol" style for the contestant they want to see win the $1 million contract. The man with the lowest votes will be sent packing.

Casting for "athletic, physically fit, talented and charismatic men" has begun. Prospective body slammers are encouraged to download an application and submit a 60-second video.

Smith said the WWE is looking for amateur wrestlers from "all walks of life."

Meanwhile, a similar contest for women — searching for WWE divas, not wrestlers — is happening during "RAW," WWE's Spike TV prime-time show. But the "RAW Diva Search" winner's prize is much less substantial: a yearlong contract and $250,000.

[Se7en the movie]

been meaning to mention this and now is as good a time as ever, i thought this was interesting, at the royale rumble when ric flair won it after entering 3rd (its on the Ultimate Ric Flair DVD), in that same Rumble Macho Man leaped over the top rope to hit Jake the Snake (i think it was), we all thought macho man had eliminated himself but it seems it isnt possible to eliminate yourself and he was let back into the rumble. This brings me to a more recent Royale Rumble where Drew Carey was entered. In this rumble carey squared off against Kane, after norrowly missing a chokeslam carey eliminates himself. But wait.......if you cant eliminate yourself then wasnt carey still in the rumble? Does that mean he won it? Being the only man left not eliminated. Dont be too surprised if you see a Drew Carey vs HHH main event at Wrestlemania.

[IamMrDJ]

Well remember the same thing happened with Maven a few years ago when he eliminated Undertaker adn then taker came back in and threw him in-between the ropes out of the ring and then beat the bloody hell out of him.

[Se7en the movie]

Maven vs Drew Carey at Wrestlemania 21?!?

[IamMrDJ]

will the rock ever return

Chewie was right about most of what he said.

The Rock has stated that returning full-time to WWE is not likely to happen for a few years or even ever. He does feel he owes alot of his successto WWE that is why he will make the appearances he does. When Raw does a show in a city where he is currently or working he will make an appearance. He has also said he would like to wrestle between 1-2 times a year at major PPV's like this years Mania. He has got a number of movies lined up for the next few years so he will be busy. I am happy that we have gotten to see the Rock 3 times in a little more then 2 months.

Glss was right about him making the Diva Segment enjoyable. They were going to use that amount of time anyway with the segment he just made it even more enjoyable. He even mad comments about how it is kind of boring and unmemorable.

[chewie]

what move did they do in the Jericho/Edge match that got them a DQ?

If I remember right Edge threw jericho into the ropes and when he came back he picked him up and tossed him on the ropes and Jericho just happened to straddle them.

[stokecity12003]

has anyone else heared that the rock has been casted to become the new terminator. i dont believe it i knew they were thinking about it but i didnt think they would go through with it. i realy like the rock but there is only one terminator and thats arnne.im sure rock will do his best but can hemake it better. what possible storyline could there be for this one. they say they are planning to make 5 films all together

[spiderman_2k]

I havent heard anything true about that, just speculation.

[IamMrDJ]

has anyone else heared that the rock has been casted to become the new terminator. i dont believe it i knew they were thinking about it but i didnt think they would go through with it. i realy like the rock but there is only one terminator and thats arnne.im sure rock will do his best but can hemake it better. what possible storyline could there be for this one. they say they are planning to make 5 films all together

Those are just rumors. There is not set plan for even a 4th Terminator yet. They will most likely need a new Terminator unless they want to wait until Arnold is done being the Govinator.

[Inval1d]

The Rock actually made me watch the Diva Search. The "divas" were still crappy though. Rock had some funny lines to (with Tajiri)


the one about Aneheim (Sp?) and weed was hilarious.


The midgets freaked me out at the wedding. Lita looked hot :eek:

[ZombieMan]

The Rock made me watch the Raw Diva Search also and Tajiri. I also liked the Regal vs. Flair match alot as well, it was very intense! Other than that, Raw sucked again!

[chewie]

what about lilian working at the sperm bank.

[LS2002]

Actually it should be Kane vs. Maven vs. Drew Carey. If you remember a few years ago when Kane had the mask on. Kane was cleaning house in the RR it just that Vince McMahon sent the orderlys out to take Kane to the Psycho House and Kane walked over the top rope and elimanated himself aswell.

[jbailey84]

from rajah.com

It now appears that Randy Orton vs. Triple H World Title match will be the headliner for WWE Unforgiven. It was expected for the two to headline WrestleMania 21 a few weeks ago. WWE has decided to speed up the angle due to the horrible ratings they have been receiving and plus Monday Night Football will begin in a few weeks. WWE is hoping that with having a new face to build around it will help business rebound.

If this angle becomes a success, the two could still headline WrestleMania 21 for a rematch. There is another idea being tossed around that the WWE may headline the event with an interpromotional match, possibly Randy Orton vs. John Cena, Kurt Angle or The Undertaker. if this is and will be true, i would love to see the headline event between Randy Orton Vs John Cena.

[Se7en the movie]

orton vs. angle would rule

[sniktawt]

Cena has been performing awful lately , he better step it up or he may be Doing Heat the night of WM 21.

[Inval1d]

I still want my return of Hardcore matches :mad:

[ZombieMan]

^^^ I agree 100% with you Inval1d, I want to see hardcore matches again. Hell! I would love to see the hardcore title come back, that use to be one of my favorite titles.

[thebtskink]

Some of them were cool.... Blackman vs. Shane on RAW, anything Foley or Terry Funk did

Some were massively lame and didn't look real at all.... i.e. nearly every other blackman match.

[IamMrDJ]

As many of you know I am a huge wrestling fan and my knowledge goes back in the mid to late 1980’s. I have been thinking about writing this commentary for some time now to get out my opinions all at. I plan on doing these commentaries over a period of time over different topics. Some of the topics I will cover are the current product of the WWE, talent rosters, and PPV’s. My first commentary however is going to be on the history of wrestling that I have seen and the current expectations of fans..

Now I have been a wrestling fan for 19 of my 22 years of life. I remember back to the days of the early WrestleMania’s when they were the only PPV’s. This is before The Rock, Triple H, Evoultion or the pitiful Raw Diva Talent Search. Raw and SmackDown were not even television programs yet. The stars I remember most at that time were of course Hulk Hogan, Andre “The Giant”, Junkyard Dog, Bushwackers, Randy “Macho Man” Savage, and Ricky Steamboat. Back then wrestling was about wrestling. Watching the matches were the best part and most of the time the only part of the show; watching a flying elbow off the top rope or a leg drop onto a wrestler in the middle of the ring. Wrestling was more about skills in-side the ring then skills on a mic. There were very few gimmick matches because at the time there were hardly any hardcore wrestlers. A steel cage was as hardcore as most wrestlers got, and the cage was only brought out for special occasions. Wrestling was more a sport then a soap opera then.

Over the years times changed and so did the wants of wrestling fans. Wrestling became more flashy and more “Hollywood”. Storylines were instituted into a wrestlers character; a wrestler became more then an athlete he became an actor. Now, I know wrestling is scripted but when I was younger you had to have an enormous amount of talent to be able to step into the squared circle. Now wrestlers had to learn how to speak on a mic and be able to act like they were starring in a weekly soap opera. Weekly television shows were started to keep fans up to date of what was going on in wrestling. I still remember the early days of what is now RAW. Wrestling legends sitting around a table watching tape from a house show and discussing it and what was coming up in the following weeks. Hill Billy Jim always made funny remarks that always made me laugh. New talent emerged in the early 90’s to take the spotlight. Undertaker, Bret Hart, Ultimate Warrior, Jake “The Snake” Roberts and Shawn Michaels could be seen weekly along with Big Boss Man and even The Mountie. Wrestlers began going for the bigger moves trying to out do one another. In the 1980’s climbing to the top rope usually signified that a wrestler was going for a finishing move. In the 90’s climbing to the top rope did not always mean a finisher was coming up. Now I was always mesmerized by top rope moves such as Undertaker’s walk along the rope. I could never figure out how a wrestler that big could balance himself that well. PPV’s soon became monthly events with the invention of Royal Rumble, Summer Slam, Survivor Series and the “In Your House” series. More gimmick matches were introduced including the ladder match. Now I can still remember watching the Shawn Michael’s vs. Razor Ramon Ladder Match for the Intercontinental Title. I always thought that, that match was the coolest thing I ever saw. Both men gave it their all in that match and put everything on the table. I could never imagine something as exciting but in the coming years I was mistaken.

By the mid-90’s storylines were prominent inclusions for wrestling. Every wrestler on TV was involved in a storyline of some kind. The amount of time a wrestler spent in the ring wrestling and on the mic slowly grew closer together. A new batch of wrestler emerged that will be remember for many years and are still missed by many today. Steve Austin, Kevin “Diesel” Nash, Ahmed Johnson, Scott “Razor Ramon” Hall, Marc Mero, Triple H and the Rock were becoming big names in the business. Factions of wrestlers were forming including the Nation of Domination. Storylines grew along with a wrestler’s personality. Feuds between wrestlers grew more intense and would go on longer then they had before. One match was not enough to put a feud to rest some wrestlers would be battling for a number of months. Wrestling styles and moves began growing to newer higher levels. Some wrestler’s were more high-flyers while some stuck to the more technical aspect of the sport. Over the next few years wrestling would grow to its highest popularity level ever and possibly will never be matched.

By the late 90’s wrestlers spent just as much time talking on a mic as they did wrestling. Storylines and a characters gimmick were the most focused part of wrestling. Factions of wrestlers were everywhere the next few years; D-X, The Corporation, and The Ministry were only a few of them. The newer talent from years before were now headlining. Steve Austin and The Rock could be seen on a weekly basis. This time was not very easy for the WWE though because they had some stiff competition from rival WCW. WCW had gone out and gotten wrestling legend Hulk Hogan, Randy Savage, Kevin Nash and Scott Hall. The NWO was formed in WCW and could possibly go down as one of the greatest factions in wrestling history that is before it got overloaded with useless characters. WCW was constantly dominating WWE in the ratings. WWE did not stand a chance until one PV back in 1998 with a very special guest. The PPV was WrestleMania 14, the main event pitted “Stone Cold” Steve Austin against Heavyweight Champion “Heartbreak Kid” Shawn Michaels, and the match featured a special enforcer by the name of Mike Tyson. That night the tide turned in favor of WWE. Their year long rating losing streak was to end the next night. I remember I was unable to watch that PPV live because that was my very first day of work after turning 16 a week earlier. I remember as soon as I got home from work I went online to find out the results I was shocked to say the least at what happened. The next night on Raw a new era of wrestling was born; Steve Austin was Champion, D-X was now formed with Triple H and X-Pac leading the charge. WCW did not have any new ideas to mount an attack against WWE. The NOW while still their most popular attraction was fast becoming a joke with new wrestlers joining ever single week. Vince McMahon was now an active member of the weekly television program. A week did not go by that he did not get a stunner from Austin or have a confrontation with a wrestler. I have a feeling that not many people know this but in the WWE Rule Book there is a statement that a wrestler will not be allowed to attack Vince McMahon in any kind of Storyline unless he is one of the top draws for the business and makes up for a large part of merchandise sales. That is probably why we never saw Doink “The Clown” feuding with Vince.

Part 2 will be posted once I have time to finish it. Today was a rough day at school so I need a break.

[Inval1d]

thats great DJ.

i cant wait to read part 2

[Inval1d]

Those DIVA wantabees had some awful things to say tonight. i wonder if they will get in trouble for it. :twisted:

[IamMrDJ]

Seeing Christian and HBK return tongiht was great.

[chewie]

I'd say that was about a half return for HBK. Seeing Christian was good and I liked how Raw ended. I think that it would be a good angle for HHH and Orton to play mind games with each other since HHH did teach Orton a lot.

[ZombieMan]

Those DIVA wantabees had some awful things to say tonight. i wonder if they will get in trouble for it. :twisted:

LMAO, dude I was laughing soooo hard at what they had to say to Carmella. She is such a freakin' moron! I don't know how she is staying in the competition, I don't even think she is that hot.

[Warren]

One of them called Carmella a c**k-sucking gutter slut and she was still smiling. Can someone really act that bad?

[IamMrDJ]

Well Carmella was arrested but later released alst weekend for starting a fight with a woman in a bar who started talking about her boyfrined Jeff Garcia. She kicked the woman in the head, so she realy can act that bad.

[chewie]

I personally think she's was the prettiest one out of the whole lot of them, but if she doesn't want to be there people should vote her off.

[Inval1d]

Christian returned?


when?? i must of missed it.... crap!!

is he face or heel?

[IamMrDJ]

Heel, he attacked JEricho during the Hightlight Reel right after Edge left the ring. Edge adn Christian stared at one another but that was it. I hope this turns into E&C PArt 2. Edge is injured irght now with a groin pull from a match in Utah against Y2J this past Saturday night

[Inval1d]

ah....thats cool.


maybe we will see the 5 second poses again :D

[IamMrDJ]

I still want the Religious Choir sining Christians name again.

[Se7en the movie]

why did they get rid of that?

'Christian! Christian! At last you're on your own!!'

i hope this is the beginning of Edge and Christian once again. They were a hell of a team and hilarious together.

[straightupridah]

anyone else think they should turn HBK heel? i do. i miss shawn from DX. but they really should change his character now a bit. i would like to see him come back at Unforgiven and defeat Kane then interfere in the title match and help Hunter defeat Orton and then join Evolution. I think thatd be awesome. if u remember before he left, shawn was about to shake hands with HHH before Kane interrupted it. but i dont see this scenario happenin cus orton just won the title and i dont think they are gonna take it from him this early in his reign. if this did happen he would have to fued with shawn at least for one ppv match and then he could win the title back at the next ppv after this. but HHH/Orton fued has only just begun so i dont think it will go in this direction. just a thought tho. anyways i want shawn to go bad and take some people off guard when he returns.

[Colorado Cajun]

I like Shawn face or heel. I do think overall he is a better heel though imo