Hobbit, Part 3

[Neverending]

http://www.joblo.com/movie-news/the-hobbit-may-have-finished-filming-but-that-doesnt-mean-peter-jackson-is-done-with-middle-earth

Oh, boy.

[OBSERVER]

No doubt about there being more Extended Editions now. PJ admitted it at Comic-Con. haha

[Neverending]

Extended Editions was a given.

[JBond]

Harry Potter, Twilight, Hunger Games....hmmm....

The Hobbit: Part Two - Part 1
The Hobbit: Part Two - Part 2

[Neverending]

The Hobbit: Part Two - Part 1
The Hobbit: Part Two - Part 2

If you wanna get technical about it...

The Hobbit: Part 1
The Hobbit: Part 1 - vol 2
The Hobbit: Part 1 - vol 3
The Hobbit Blu Ray: The Whole Bloody Affair!

[OBSERVER]

Nah, there will not be a third Hobbit film. PJ is talking about a few weeks of shooting to add to film 2. And possibly in the future planning a different film entirely with other appendices material.

[Neverending]

I'm sure Warner Bros. will encourage him.

[Bane]

I agree, but there is so much material in the appendices he could expand it to 3 films.

[Neverending]

The first two films are using the Appendices. Most of the Gandalf material is coming from there.

[OBSERVER]

The Hobbit ends in part 2 next year. It's not The Hobbit anymore if it goes beyond Bilbo's adventure.

If there really is something else coming, it will be a separate project. Possibly a few years from now.

[Bane]

The first two films are using the Appendices. Most of the Gandalf material is coming from there.

I think he'll only touch on the appendices. Telling Gandalf's story will take this out of the realm of a light-hearted kids story.

I can only imagine how good the extended cuts are going to be.

[Neverending]

Telling Gandalf's story will take this out of the realm of a light-hearted kids story.

This won't be a light-hearted kids story. Peter Jackson said that he wants The Hobbit to have the same tone and feel as Lord of the Rings, so he's using the appendices to make the film more adult-friendly.

[Neverending]

http://www.deadline.com/2012/07/the-hobbit-going-for-a-trilogy-its-possible/

Peter Jackson first mentioned at Comic-Con two weeks ago that he was toying with what to do with all the extra footage he has shot for a two film adaptation of The Hobbit. Now, reports are hot and heavy that he’s actually going to turn his two films into a trilogy.

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[FranklinTard]

peter jackson is quickly on his way to becoming the next george lucas.

has only one franchise that he will be known for, is starting to mess with the stories (this is how it starts, turning a 300 page book into three 3 hour movies), releases new extended/complete editions.

if he buys a ranch get nervous.

maybe, maybe if they owned the rights to other books, like the silmarillion, i could see 3 movies, but not with only the hobbit. not at all.

[DarthVader 2004]

He is not going back and changing what he already has done at all. Thats a Lucas and Why can't people trust the man a little here. If he says there is more to tell chances are its a good reason not a bad one for more money.

[Fanible]

Well, to be fair... people probably "trusted" Lucas at one time as well.

[Neverending]

Well, to be fair... people probably "trusted" Lucas at one time as well.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/7/7b/Willow_movie.jpg

[DarthVader 2004]

Jackson may add footage to him movies but he doesn't change effects scenes of endings where there was nothing wrong with the ending in the first place. In other words Jackson as of yet hasn't gotten a major Brain Fart yet that never went away.

[FranklinTard]

took lucas what? 20 years or so before he started messing with them?

give jackson time. i'm telling you, he has got the pedigree.

[DarthVader 2004]

He may change things but its not going to be Lucas insanity. Lucas destroyed whole scenes and Iconic moments that were ok.

[Dhamon22]

Making the Hobbit two movies I thought was stretching it. Three? WTF

[Ewok Droppings]

I have full faith in Jackson after the LOTR trilogy. If he thinks there is enough material there for a solid 3rd film, then I trust he'd do a good job. I don't think he'd screw this up after how maticulate he's been throughout all this.

[Neverending]

I wonder if Guillermo Del Toro would have given us a third film.

[DarthVader 2004]

I liked Deltoro and all but at times he does back out of projects allot. So I'd say not likely . In a way maybe Jackson being forced to take the chair because of Deltoro maybe saved the whole series in the Prequel.

[FranklinTard]

pretty sure jackson forced his way into the chair, not the other way around.

a lucas move...

[Neverending]

How is that a Lucas move? Lucas doesn't even like directing. He only directed the prequels because 90% of the work was done by the artists at ILM.

[Boro]

Definitely don't see the need for 3 films, but if I think of it as a 9 hour TV mini-series, the idea somehow becomes (a little) less ridiculous.

[DarthVader 2004]

It wouldn't have been the same I don't think without Jackson the Hobbit. Lucas problem was that he was never that great a director. He was a better effects person and Writer then a Director. Jackson is good in all fazes from Writing to directing.

[Deexan]

By all accounts Jackson had no plans whatsoever to direct The Hobbit because of how exhausting the Rings trilogy was, he only took over the reigns because after GDT dropped out pre-production was too detailed to bring in a new director with a different vision.

[Bane]

pretty sure jackson forced his way into the chair, not the other way around.

a lucas move...


You're just talking rubbish.

Principal photography has finished with only reshoots to be filmed? Dunno how he plans to make another complete movie ie part III, without some major restructuring??

Don't see it...

[Neverending]

You're just talking rubbish.

Principal photography has finished with only reshoots to be filmed? Dunno how he plans to make another complete movie ie part III, without some major restructuring??

Don't see it...

He has extra footage because, aside from adaptating The Hobbit, he also adapted The Appendices.

[DarthVader 2004]

You're just talking rubbish.

Principal photography has finished with only reshoots to be filmed? Dunno how he plans to make another complete movie ie part III, without some major restructuring??

Don't see it...

The thing is its funny that people assume that Bilbo waited around for 60 years planning to write his book after he went home after the Lonely Mountain Buisness. And Gandalf just was gathering fire works for parties.
I myself would like to see them bring in Aragorn as a character in the 3rd movie.
LOTR set up allot of prequel possibilities to happen in the hobbit movies. I am however thinking they should call this not Hobbit Part 3 but Strider The Ranger Of The North.

[Deexan]

Peter Jackson just confirmed last week's rumor on Facebook that "The Hobbit" will now be three films:

It is only at the end of a shoot that you finally get the chance to sit down and have a look at the film you have made. Recently Fran, Phil and I did just this when we watched for the first time an early cut of the first movie - and a large chunk of the second. We were really pleased with the way the story was coming together, in particular, the strength of the characters and the cast who have brought them to life. All of which gave rise to a simple question: do we take this chance to tell more of the tale? And the answer from our perspective as the filmmakers, and as fans, was an unreserved ‘yes.'

We know how much of the story of Bilbo Baggins, the Wizard Gandalf, the Dwarves of Erebor, the rise of the Necromancer, and the Battle of Dol Guldur will remain untold if we do not take this chance. The richness of the story of The Hobbit, as well as some of the related material in the appendices of The Lord of the Rings, allows us to tell the full story of the adventures of Bilbo Baggins and the part he played in the sometimes dangerous, but at all times exciting, history of Middle-earth.

So, without further ado and on behalf of New Line Cinema, Warner Bros. Pictures, Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer, Wingnut Films, and the entire cast and crew of “The Hobbit” films, I’d like to announce that two films will become three.

It has been an unexpected journey indeed, and in the words of Professor Tolkien himself, "a tale that grew in the telling."

Cheers,

Peter J

The first installment, The Hobbit: An Unexpected Journey, will hit theaters and IMAX on December 14. The Hobbit: There and Back Again will follow on December 13, 2013. The third film will presumably follow sometime in 2014.

http://www.comingsoon.net/news/movienews.php?id=93086


Thinking about it, by releasing 3 movies it will probably mean no 3 hour cuts to sit through, plus no need for extended editions since you'd imagine every last little part of the story would be able to fit into 3 movies of 2 or 2 1/2 hours in length.

[PsYkOoOoO]

So are they going to film one more movie? Or are they going to split the existing two movies into three? Either way, my heart tells me that this decision seems somewhat questionable to say the least.

[Deexan]

I was wondering that myself. I'd guess that they might need to film some additional material but the bulk is probably already in the can.

[PsYkOoOoO]

I have my concerns because the movies were obviously filmed with two movies in mind. Even with two movies, I personally found it difficult to figure out where one will end and the other will begin. So by cutting it into three movies, assuming that that is what they will do, wouldn't it mess even more with the endings?

[DarthVader 2004]

I was wondering that myself. I'd guess that they might need to film some additional material but the bulk is probably already in the can.

I am just guessing that it was meant to be 2 movies but when they which is now went into editing they decided to make 3 movies out of what they filmed. And Just add more thing in pick ups which Peter did allot of that for TTT and ROTK after FOTR was released.
My feeling is there not filming another movie per say its just that Peter wanted to not cut some scenes and so they decided to expand instead of making longer parts 1 and 2.

[sshuttari]

I'm excited!!! This sounds really good honestly I don't know why people are complaining if he's including other Tolkien material not in the book and more of an adult film I expect to be blown away! Like the Rings films.

[carnage4u]

my interest in these movies have dwindled a lot based on this news. The book does not need 3 movies to tell the tale. Really a lame way to stretch things out for my cash.

[Deexan]

The third film will be released during the Summer of 2014.

[IanTheCool]

Here's more info.
http://www.theonering.net/torwp/2012/07/30/59780-peter-jackson-confirms-third-film/

[IanTheCool]

I'm excited!!! This sounds really good honestly I don't know why people are complaining if he's including other Tolkien material not in the book and more of an adult film I expect to be blown away! Like the Rings films.

Because its a tiny book, which means the story is going to be stretched very thin, or else entirely added stuff is going to get thrown in.

Also, don't you think it insults the LOTR trilogy a bit when a book a fraction of the size is given the same attention?

[Deexan]

It seems a lot, but combined with elements of the appendices, and if the total run time is 6-7 hours, it doesn't seem too bad. The extended versions of Rings added up to something like 11 hours and that was with a lot of the book cut out. The Hobbit likely won't have anywhere near as many passages removed.

[sshuttari]

^This

[IanTheCool]

Yeah.... I'm still skeptical.

[Deexan]

There's also the fact that the 'Battle of Five Armies' towards the end of the book lasts a single page but will probably take up a good half an hour in the film.

[sshuttari]

I don't see it being a problem and making the "Battle of five armies" more grand and epic like LoTR.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_bT2CzLtfRJ8/Sc10GthJ5GI/AAAAAAAAAcI/CdO9_b6NMP8/s1600/Battle+of+Five+Armies+boardgame.jpg

[sshuttari]

A little speculation...

Film One: If they keep the same structure as has been revealed, then this film would play out very similarly to Fellowship of the Ring, albeit probably more optimistic. The arc is very similar: it starts with a journey from the Shire to Rivendell, with peril met in the trollshaws. At Rivendell much is explained, through flashbacks and ominous revelations about artifacts in possession of the company. Then there's a failed attempt to cross the mountains, which results in a disasterous detour into the Goblin infested deeps. Then there's a narrow escape into some woods where the party meets a strange ally. Upon leaving they meet great peril and the conclusion takes place on the banks of a river.

Film Two: Rohan Redux. The party enters a once proud kingdom now under the control of a corrupted leader. Their quest stirs things up, and intially they're met rather unfavorably. At this point I think the inclusion of extra content really starts to show, with an expanded story following Bard and the ruined city of Dale. He's a young, proud member of his country, but somewhat of an outcast because of his unwillingness to become lax under the brooding shadow of a nearby evil. That or his son will play a role in him being the typical reluctant hero who turns into the inspiring leader by the end. The company plods on, and manages to spark things up under the mountain. Meanwhile we're getting more and more about Dol Guldur and the Necromancer. I imagine this film ending either with Bard's rise at Laketown, or with the Battle of the Five Armies. It really depends on the yet to be seen added elements of story. At this point I predict a combination of Laketown's attack and the seige of Dol Guldur.

Film Three: Setting up the Ring. Depending on where the previous film ends, this one could be exclusively focused on the Battle of the Five Armies, or a combination of that and Dol Guldur. If it's mainly the Battle, then I would expect a Return of the King like brooding up into a big battle. There's room for multiple storylines following each faction's movement towards the clash at Erebor, like the dual focus of Gondor and Rohan in the Siege of Gondor.

This is purely speculative, but I'm beginning to suspect that PJ will try to tie in a thought shared by Gandalf in the Quest for Erebor, that Smaug might have been a powerful asset for Sauron in the war to come. It's very likely, I think, that the films will create a thread the the Necromancer (Sauron) is pulling all the strings, and that the events at Dol Guldur are not as disconnected from Erebor as you might think.

[OBSERVER]

Wow. I eat my words. It really is happening. At first I hated the idea, but now it is beginning to make sense. Regardless of being 2 or 3 films, it is still essentially one long movie like the last trilogy was. Better to make another film than add an extra 2 hours to 2 films on home video.

[Bane]

Well now that 3 movies is confirmed, Jackson has a heap of source material in the appendices that will translate well. This could be epic and I'll give him the benefit of the doubt considering how well he handled LOTR.

Glad Del Toro is no longer involved.

[JBond]

Wow. I eat my words. It really is happening. At first I hated the idea, but now it is beginning to make sense. Regardless of being 2 or 3 films, it is still essentially one long movie like the last trilogy was. Better to make another film than add an extra 2 hours to 2 films on home video.

Oh it's making sense alright.

[sshuttari]

Glad Del Toro is no longer involved.

If these movies don't turn out as good watch everyone saying Del Toro should have stuck around...

[OBSERVER]

Film 3 is planned to be released in the summer after Film 2. That will be great.

I think PJ knows what he is doing. Game of Thrones could make a 10 hour season out of 1 book. You can get that many hours out of any decent story. Look at the entire audio book on youtube. There are 19 chapters and some chapters are an hour or more. And that is without any appendices material.

This also really helps with the 2 climaxes of Smaug and Battle of the 5 armies. Now we can have each of those end a film. This makes more sense than cramming a few extra hours into 2 extended home videos. In the end this will all flow as one story like the last trilogy.

[FranklinTard]

A little speculation...

Film One: If they keep the same structure as has been revealed, then this film would play out very similarly to Fellowship of the Ring, albeit probably more optimistic. The arc is very similar: it starts with a journey from the Shire to Rivendell, with peril met in the trollshaws. At Rivendell much is explained, through flashbacks and ominous revelations about artifacts in possession of the company. Then there's a failed attempt to cross the mountains, which results in a disasterous detour into the Goblin infested deeps. Then there's a narrow escape into some woods where the party meets a strange ally. Upon leaving they meet great peril and the conclusion takes place on the banks of a river.

Film Two: Rohan Redux. The party enters a once proud kingdom now under the control of a corrupted leader. Their quest stirs things up, and intially they're met rather unfavorably. At this point I think the inclusion of extra content really starts to show, with an expanded story following Bard and the ruined city of Dale. He's a young, proud member of his country, but somewhat of an outcast because of his unwillingness to become lax under the brooding shadow of a nearby evil. That or his son will play a role in him being the typical reluctant hero who turns into the inspiring leader by the end. The company plods on, and manages to spark things up under the mountain. Meanwhile we're getting more and more about Dol Guldur and the Necromancer. I imagine this film ending either with Bard's rise at Laketown, or with the Battle of the Five Armies. It really depends on the yet to be seen added elements of story. At this point I predict a combination of Laketown's attack and the seige of Dol Guldur.

Film Three: Setting up the Ring. Depending on where the previous film ends, this one could be exclusively focused on the Battle of the Five Armies, or a combination of that and Dol Guldur. If it's mainly the Battle, then I would expect a Return of the King like brooding up into a big battle. There's room for multiple storylines following each faction's movement towards the clash at Erebor, like the dual focus of Gondor and Rohan in the Siege of Gondor.

This is purely speculative, but I'm beginning to suspect that PJ will try to tie in a thought shared by Gandalf in the Quest for Erebor, that Smaug might have been a powerful asset for Sauron in the war to come. It's very likely, I think, that the films will create a thread the the Necromancer (Sauron) is pulling all the strings, and that the events at Dol Guldur are not as disconnected from Erebor as you might think.


you didn't write one word of this yourself. check where you stole this, they edited it.

[sshuttari]

^when did I say I wrote this??? Don't get your panties in a twist

[Dhamon22]

^when did I say I wrote this??? Don't get your panties in a twist

No link or credit. I don't care but thats probably why he thought that.

I hope this series (why stop at three movies?) ends up being good, but I have my doubts.

[DarthVader 2004]

I as a member of The One Ring.net was not surprised there would be 3 movies. Over there its been a big discussion about the 3rd movie possible even showing Balins fall in Moria to the orcs. Its speculation but some there had guessed that its possible we meet a young Aragorn but not played by Viggo Mortensen.

[JBond]

There are websites that talk about 12 Star Wars movies, of course they were talking about 3 over there.

[DarthVader 2004]

I am serious some has heard that Jackson and Deltoro wrote a very long script that included Half of the sage as the Hobbit as we know it and the rest is more or less the real prequel set up for LOTR. Also The Battle Of The Five Armies was being talked as The Helms Deep and Seige Of Minis Tirith type of battle and not a couple pages. I would not know Star Wars stuff because Not obsessed with Star Wars anymore.

[Bane]

I would not know Star Wars stuff because Not obsessed with Star Wars anymore.

I am, and those that waffle on about a "nine" movie saga honestly have no idea. It was never, ever going to be nine.

I am glad the Hobbit saga has been expanded to 3 films, plenty of material between The Hobbit and LOTR to mine.

[Justin]

Trilogy or not, I'll see it.

[DarthVader 2004]

Would anyone like to see them do the last stand of Balin and his Men just to see The Dwarf who wrote what Gandalf reads later be more impactful knowing how they met there end

[IanTheCool]

Would anyone like to see them do the last stand of Balin and his Men just to see The Dwarf who wrote what Gandalf reads later be more impactful knowing how they met there end

It would be hard to fit that in without it feeling incredibly tacked on.

[DarthVader 2004]

I think they will have allot of time to do some set up stuff by the 3rd movie. After all Smuag should be the climax of Part 2 and BOFA will be in 3. But I am likely wrong.

[FVD]

Now this is a Trilogy I can definitely rally behind.

http://www.theonering.net/torwp/2012/08/03/60354-greenbooks-guest-post-in-defense-of-a-hobbit-trilogy/

As for the Balin's Last Stand at Moria I'd prefer that we not need to see it but perhaps a little mention at the end of Movie 3 stating that he'll be heading back there.

*And yes - long time no see!!!! ;)*

[Neverending]

Warner Bros and MGM Pictures jointly announced today that the final film in Peter Jackson’s trilogy adaptation of The Hobbit by JRR Tolkien is now titled The Hobbit: There and Back Again. It will be released worldwide on July 18, 2014. All three films in the trilogy are productions of New Line Cinema and Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer Pictures. The Studios also announced the title of the second installment in the franchise, The Hobbit: The Desolation of Smaug, which will be released on December 13, 2013.

[Henri Ducard]

LOTR in the summer? Weird.

[Ewok Droppings]

12 Star Wars movies

Wait... only 12? WTF? Damn you Lucas!!!!!!!!!!

[Panther2000]

LOTR in the summer? Weird.

I know, I thought the samething when I heard. If anything, LOTR/TH are not Summer movies. I wonder why they went that route for the last movie in the Middle Earth Universe. Though, It will be great not to have to wait another whole year for the next movie. Still???

3 months & Counting. I am still waiting on another Trailer, Hell it has almost been a year sense the last one

[The Kid]

Without Batman and Harry Potter, WB has a gap in their summers. Hobbit will fill that void.

[Neverending]

We will no longer be getting a summer Hobbit movie. Part 3 has been moved to December 17th.

[Bane]

Sanity has prevailed TFFT

[PsYkOoOoO]

I hope this means reshoots. They probably need a lot of that.

[Neverending]

He hasn't even finished Part 2 yet, so only time will tell. But he obviously wants more time for Part 3.

[Fanible]

Meh. I thought the fact that the story was stretched into three was a little less annoying by the shorter wait time.

[PsYkOoOoO]

He hasn't even finished Part 2 yet, so only time will tell. But he obviously wants more time for Part 3.

Weren't they filming it back to back? I'm pretty sure they've already done parts of Part 3.

[DarthVader 2004]

I think after Azogs bashing maybe he wants more time to work on the BOTFA stuff since people seemed harsh on the effects in the movie.

[sshuttari]

The skit with Sally Fields was pretty stellar!