Avengers 2.

[DarthVader 2004]

I don't think we need to worry about jumping the gun. I think we all know that likely 2014 at some point there will be an Avengers 2 . I know Thor 2 Isn't due out until 2014 But I think They will want to get another out sooner before these people want more money.

I would like to see other Avengers added but I think it should be only 1 or 2. Simply because you need to have moments for each Avenger and I think since Coulson is lets say inactive that they could add an Avenger to replace that character opening.
I will post any news that comes along for Avengers 2. Its not be confirmed a Avengers 2 news wise but I think we know they are prepared for it to be announced and decisons will likely be made at any time buisness wise.

I am going to post a Poll to see who people think the Avenger Added should be.

[DarthVader 2004]

The Reason I put wasp and ant man together is because there kinda couple and can't have one without the other.

[Tornado]

Isn't this coming out in like 2015? Kinda early in my opinion.

[DarthVader 2004]

Well I had forgotten that Thor 2 isn't released until late 2014. Its just that I think people will not want to wait every 3 years for a movie. I mean Downy and Sam Jackson are not young men. I think they may change the schedule and Move Thor 2 and maybe we could get a 2014 Avengers 2. Since Avatar 2 is being pushed back. Avengers 2 be a great Christmas release film after the Hobbit is done.
Its never too early my friend to think of a sequel and who would make a great new Additon to the Avengers.

[Nick1988]

I don't think Marvel Studios has the rights for most of those characters, and i doubt Sony will lose Spider-man any time soon, same with Fox and X-men.

I think Black Panther would be pretty cool, but not sure who has the rights to the character.

[DarthVader 2004]

I was thinking that Feige said a while ago that films right were complicated because he said while Sony own Individual Spider-Man right that Avenger Rights belonged to Marvel.
My guess is that anyone could show up if they decided to use that character clause in the Avengers. Which likely means could only use the character for the Avengers.
They could have a New Spider-Man or Wolverine show up.

[Ramplate]

Yeah about half of those won't even be in the running

[DarthVader 2004]

I don't think Marvel Studios has the rights for most of those characters, and i doubt Sony will lose Spider-man any time soon, same with Fox and X-men.

I think Black Panther would be pretty cool, but not sure who has the rights to the character.

Your theory was how i figured it until Feige talked about Avengers characters film rights being different. Your theory is likely more right. In that case it would only be Vision, Wasp or Ant Man, War Machine or She-Hulk.

[DarthVader 2004]

Yeah about half of those won't even be in the running

You see thats why the Other Option was invented in a poll. Who do you think it would be if you have the answer to the riddle.

[Wyldstaar]

Black Panther's rights are back at Marvel. Kevin Fiege talked about developing a script last January. He'd be great, but he needs a solo movie first. Too cool to get the Hawkeye treatment.

Ms. Marvel would be good, and her origin could be pulled off as part of the plot without a solo movie. Her origin could also be worked into a SHIELD movie, and then brought into The Avengers.

Doctor Strange also needs a solo movie, but I don't see him as an Avenger. Marvel Studios needs to do a series of horror comics movies. Strange, Blade & the Nightstalkers (yes, Blade is back at Marvel Studios), Morbius, Hellstorm, Man-Thing, then bring them all together for a Midnight Sons movie. If it works for the traditional superhero crowd, it can work for them too.

[DarthVader 2004]

I think Vision and War Machine makes kinda the most since to appear in Avengers 2. Simply because i can see Them Having Stark Build Vision.

[Tornado]

I think Ant-Man, Wasp, and Vision are the best fits for this current team. Maybe Black Panther too, but then I'd want to lose somebody because the team is getting kind of big.

[DarthVader 2004]

If they had War Machine they likely wouldn't use Vision and since they are likely dealing with Thanos i guess. I think Joss likes female heroes so its possible Ms Marvel or even She-Hulk could get a nod.
Would Joss use Eliza Dushku for banners Cousin or SMG for Wasp or Ms Marvel.

[Tornado]

I think War Machine is kind of boring on a scale like this. Let's be realistic, from a story standpoint he's U.S. military and probably not the kind of guy Fury would target. And from a production standpoint, essentially two Iron Man's isn't exciting. Works great in the Iron Man films and I hope we see War Machine again in IM3, but there are more interesting characters better suited to a sequel here.

[DarthVader 2004]

How About Vision who is made by Tony Stark Using Jarvis as a model to build him. I think Paul Bettany would make a great Vision.

[Ramplate]

http://movies.yahoo.com/blogs/movie-talk/avengers-2-officially-happening-makes-702-million-224900761.html

[DarthVader 2004]

I figured it happen any time. For some reason i always figured that May 16 2014 would be there for The Nick Fury/ Shield movie and they maybe release Avengers 2 that Fall lets say Christmas since Avatar 2 is being pushed back.

[Wyldstaar]

Gotta agree with Tornado about War Machine. He's the guy you bring in when Iron Man isn't available. Having them both in an Avengers story is redundant.

As for She-Hulk, I just don't see that happening for pretty much the same reason. She's a poor man's Hulk.

[DarthVader 2004]

I'll have to look up female Avengers. I like Wasp the best but i am told she is silly for a live action version. Ms Marvel likely is a no and The Scarlett Witch because both could be in X-Men First Class 2.

[morpheus1987]

I think Ant-Man is the most likely addition. Although I would really like seeing Black Panther as well (this could help explain the vibranium in Cap's shield). Luke Cage would also be a decent possibility. Especially if they go with his Ultimate storyline. This would provide more of a back story for Fury as well.

[DarthVader 2004]

I t is very odd there is no Nick Fury movie and I was sure we get one after the Avengers but sometime before Avengers 2. That what i assumed May 16 2014 was for.
That way we could kinda meet Coulson and Maria Hill and so on.

[Nick1988]

Avengers was pretty much Nick Furys movie in a sense, and honestly he isn't that interesting of a character to warrant a movie only about him and SHIELD

[DarthVader 2004]

Don't you kinda want to know why and how he got an Eye patch. People keep talking about hawkeye and widow needed a movie. I would rather have Nick Fury movie then either of them. Sam Jackson can carry a Movie on his own. Widow and Hawkeye were better suited for Avengers characters.

[Ramplate]

Don't you kinda want to know why and how he got an Eye patch.

Land mine in France

[DarthVader 2004]

You kinda know i mean visually. Also didn't he have some test done like Steve Rodgers only it slows his age. Because i believe he in the comics was in the war with Cap. But i guess the movies may not go that Route.

[morpheus1987]

You kinda know i mean visually. Also didn't he have some test done like Steve Rodgers only it slows his age. Because i believe he in the comics was in the war with Cap. But i guess the movies may not go that Route.

In the Ultimate timeline I know he and Luke Cage were experimented on while they were prisoners of war. I don't know if this has anything to do with Fury's aging, but it could be a decent backstory to help introduce Luke Cage.

[Ramplate]

Fury was given the Infinity Formula

Black Widow has been enhanced by biotechnology that makes her body resistant to aging and disease and heals at an above human rate

[DarthVader 2004]

I am beginning to wonder since they may not get or can get Spider-Man maybe they would use Spider-Woman. I was reading more about her. Ms Marvel and The Scarlett Witch.
If they use the Orginal Comic character I could like Spider-Woman and They could had Luke Cage or Black Panther.
I want More Avengers but not do an X-Men that have too many and have little use in the movie.
I however believe Ant Man and Wasp is the fan favorite if they decide to add a female and Male.

[DarthVader 2004]

Edited

[Tornado]

Both terrible choices.

[thebtskink]

You're all missing the obvious.

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/2/29279/620630-customsig_115814_fs.gif_super.jpeg
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_MFz0z7jVEKU/TPpseaP06II/AAAAAAAACn4/HqT1M4AMnR8/s640/Squirrel+vs+Thanos.jpg

[thebtskink]

double post

[DarthVader 2004]

I think if Avengers can't get or use Spider-Man they might try and use Spider-Woman.

[Wolverine X]

Even though I know Wolverine will NEVER be in Avengers 2 (thanks to those idiots at Fox) since he was included in the poll I chose him anyway. as a Wolverine fan I had no choice :P

[docstop]

I'm hoping that they don't try to "double," up on the same type of heroes. Having the Hulk and She-Hulk might work okay but having Iron-Man and War Machine will definitely not. I'd like to see Ant-Man make his debut and what about tossing in the Silver Surfer. He was the only good thing about the FF franchise that's about to be rebooted.

[DarthVader 2004]

I would only want them to do The Scarlett Witch because it mean Vision would be around the corner sooner or later.

[Wolverine X]

FF is still Fox so no Silver Surfer. They did him first and have the rights. And they could do Scarlet Witch without Vision. hell they could even do Hank Pym without Wasp. This is not the comics. It doesnt necessarily have the same relationships. I mean they could also do Black Panther without Storm. Actually they would have to. They did Hawkeye without Mockingbird. I think its stupid to bring in a character just so you can bring in his partner.

And if they bring in Hank he shouldnt be Ant-Man (Eric O Grady is the current Ant-Man in the comics) or Giant-Man, he sgould be the much more badass Yellowjacket. And Yellowjacket doesnt need Wasp attached to his back (who is dead anyway)

[DarthVader 2004]

Ok we get that you think Wasp is lame. But some people actually think it be stupid to have Hank without her. Wasp gives you someone who can get into small places and Giant Man which i prefer gives the Avengers a Giant.
I wasn't per say saying every couple needed there other. Its just Vision and The Scarlett witch i'd rather they be in the Avengers together if cannot have Pym and Wasp

[Wolverine X]

do you really wanna have a giant walking around in the next film, making it look like an old Godzilla movie. that would be totally cheesy. Just as cheesy as having a little insect woman flying into someones ears.

I didnt say Wasp is lame. I like her in the comics. She fits there. But for these kind of movies she and the concept of Giant-Man or Ant-Man are too cheesy IMO. Kind of like someone like Mr.Freeze or Penguin is great in comics but doesnt fit into Nolans batfilms.

And from all of Hanks identities Yellowjacket was by far the coolest. I dont need any couples from the comics in an Avengers film. they can develope new relationships between the existing characters that dont exist in the comics.

[Ramplate]

What are the chances of one studio letting the other studio use certain characters for a butt-load of cash? :D

[DarthVader 2004]

do you really wanna have a giant walking around in the next film, making it look like an old Godzilla movie. that would be totally cheesy. Just as cheesy as having a little insect woman flying into someones ears.

I didnt say Wasp is lame. I like her in the comics. She fits there. But for these kind of movies she and the concept of Giant-Man or Ant-Man are too cheesy IMO. Kind of like someone like Mr.Freeze or Penguin is great in comics but doesnt fit into Nolans batfilms.

And from all of Hanks identities Yellowjacket was by far the coolest. I dont need any couples from the comics in an Avengers film. they can develope new relationships between the existing characters that dont exist in the comics.

The Penguin could have worked and i heard Phillip Seymore Hoffman was going to play him. He was going to be an Arms dealer.

[Wolverine X]

What are the chances of one studio letting the other studio use certain characters for a butt-load of cash? :D

Would be awesome and I wondered that too. Why arent Fox, Sony and Disney simply collaborating for Avengers films ? Paramount and New Line did it for the Friday the 13th remake. They could set some rules like Sony and Fox characters are only allowed to appear in an Avengers film, not in solo films and nothing from their solo adventures can be mentioned. Like the kind of deal Fox and Disney have over characters like Wanda and Pietro.

[Wolverine X]

I just read that starting in July 2012 Ms. Marvel will become the new Captain Marvel with new costume and all. I wonder if that means that if she is considered for the sequel they will portray her as Cpt.Marvel instead of Ms.Marvel to keep it consistent with todays comic books.

[Wyldstaar]

I just read that starting in July 2012 Ms. Marvel will become the new Captain Marvel with new costume and all. I wonder if that means that if she is considered for the sequel they will portray her as Cpt.Marvel instead of Ms.Marvel to keep it consistent with todays comic books.

I doubt it. Hawkeye was never once called that in The Avengers. Dr. Selvig referred to him once as "The Hawk", and that's as close as they got. Otherwise, he was Clint or Agent Barton (or even Legolas).

If they give her a codename, I suspect it will be Warbird. Before Carol Danvers had any superpowers, she was in the US Air Force. The Marvel Movie Universe likes to have nice, believable codenames. An Air Force pilot can easily have a call-sign of Warbird. Ms. Marvel, not so much (although I can see Stark calling her that sarcastically). That would be a nice, comfortable way for the filmmakers to give her a superhero name without seeming too hokey.

[DarthVader 2004]

Warbird does sound more Avengers team like name. I think who ever the new Avenger is should get there own movie or have a cameo before the Avengers 2

[Wolverine X]

ahem Clint was called Hawkeye once during the 2nd half of the film. I think by Cap. I clearly remember this because after the first half of the film i said to my friend "Weird, they called him Hawk not Hawkeye" but then I noticed during the second half that he was called Hawkeye once and I thought "Ah! there it is!"

well the Avengers or SHIELD always call Black Widow natasha or Agent Romanoff. But her name in the movieuniverse is still Black Widow. and Bartons name is still Hawkeye in the movies as well.

Carol was Warbird after she already was a kree/human hybrid. It was her first name she chose when she joined the Avengers. But today nobody knows her under that name anymore. I think they will choose for the films the names that are most commonly known for the characters. After all Clint wasnt Ronin. And I dont think Carol would be Warbird or Binary. Either Ms.Marvel (thats not any more cheesy than Captain America) or Captain Marvel to be up to date with the comics. And the fact that there would be two Captain characters could provide some funny moments too with Tony making fun of it.

I also wonder if Carol would have her Ms.Marvel outfit or her new Cap Marvel outfit.

[DarthVader 2004]

Edited Because Of Its WolverineX Message Board.

[Wolverine X]

vader how many times have you now asked this question on this board? we already had discussions about Wasp and She-Hulk with you. Why do you bring it up again? I may be a little redundant sometimes myself in my posts but you repeat entire subjects over and over. Just like with Spider-Woman in this thread. Dont you have anything new to talk about?

or do you simply seek a reason so you can post more images of those characters? Why dont you open an images thread for them then in the comic book section?

[Nick1988]

^Don't bother, he has ZERO reading comprehension skills, thus why he continues to repeat the same **** and not understanding what we are saying when we reply to his posts.

[DarthVader 2004]

You know what I am willing to wager your more annoying then i am because all you do is attack other peoples ideas. Unless they somehow match your own self ego driven brilliance.

I don't like to get mad and slam people but you have been getting on my nerves for 2 days. You verbally try to force your own ideas onto people. I sometimes repeat stuff. Its called short term memory disabilities . I suggest you try not to force your views on me because anyone will tell ya here. When Vader Snaps he can be worse then anything you have been subjected too.
So do not tell me what too post and i'll not tell you what to post.

http://i283.photobucket.com/albums/kk286/teensbadge/Star%20Wars/RedVader.jpg

[Nick1988]

I don't attack any ones ideas, it's called a open forum discussion, and you do repeat the same stuff and often times ignore what other people say, so i don't know if its a reading comprehension thing or just being selfish and not caring what other people have to say.Regardless go ahead and "snap" i couldn't care less.

[Wolverine X]

boy you dont wanna dish out threats because they are nothing but smoke to me.

Also you are completely overreacting. I have neither slammed nor attacked your ideas nor am I trying to force my ideas into you.

I have simply called you out on repeating the same subject and question over and over and gave you a friendly suggestion. short term memory problems or not you cant tell me that you actually forget your own questions and subjects that you brought up only yesterday. Unless you have alzheimers which I seriously not hope cause thats a very serious illness that I wish nobody.

And judging from Nicks comment apparently I am not the only one who noticed that.

Also if all I do is going on your nerves, then why do you write with me so much like we´re discussion partners? At least be honest about it.

[Ramplate]

Downey Jr.'s Avengers payday makes him a lot more like Tony Stark

There's no doubt Robert Downey Jr.'s the perfect choice to play Tony Stark. He's got the look, he's got the style, he's got the playboy flair. And now, thanks to a massive Marvel deal that puts his Avengers co-stars' salaries to shame, he's getting closer to having the Tony Stark bank account.

So how much is Downey raking in on this billion-dollar flick? According to "multiple knowledgeable sources," he could end up with somewhere in the neighborhood of $50 million. Yes, you read it right. Fifty million dollars. For one movie. As for the rest of Earth's Mightiest Heroes, Chris Hemsworth, Chris Evans, Jeremy Renner and Mark Ruffalo will reportedly earn $2-3 million each, while Samuel L. Jackson and Scarlett Johansson used their somewhat bigger names to rake in somewhere in the $4-6 million range. That's a lot of money, but those paydays look like loose change compared to Downey's earnings.

So why does Tony Stark get so much more? Well, after Iron Man became a surprisingly lucrative hit for Marvel, Downey's reps renegotiated his deal to include box-office bonuses and a piece of Marvel's earnings on every film of theirs that he appears in. That's rumored to be somewhere in the 5 to 7 percent range. And when you're in a film that earns a billion dollars worldwide in less than three weeks, that's bound to be a pretty big chunk of cash.

Downey's not alone in this kind of super-payout. Johnny Depp is estimated to have pulled in a combined $250 million for his work on the Pirates of the Caribbean franchise, and it's been reported that Michael Bay raked in $80 million for the first Transformers film alone, perhaps more for the sequels. For Downey, this could only be the beginning, with Iron Man 3 on the way and the inevitable Avengers sequel in the works.

One of the ways Marvel was able to make this particular flick happen was by tightly controlling the salaries of its stars to keep costs low. The lone exception to that was Downey, but now that his payout has swelled so much, two questions arise. One, will Marvel decide someday soon that keeping him around is too costly? And two, how soon will the other Avengers come looking for similar deals?

[DarthVader 2004]

Its not uncommon for people to do this. I think percent of movie profits was how PJ paid the LOTR cast. To answer your question. There is no way there can be an Iron Man aka Tony Stark without Downey unless Stark gets killed as a character in the movies and Rhodes replaces him as Iron Man.
I however don't see Marvel doing this. I am sure there first plan will be to sign the actors for other movies to come. I am sure they will least sign the cast for 2 more Movies. I mean The Avengers cast.

[sshuttari]

Joss Whedon to Write and Direct The Avengers 2


http://www.comingsoon.net/news/movienews.php?id=93364


During Disney's earnings call today, chairman and chief executive Bob Iger announced that Joss Whedon has officially signed on to write and direct The Avengers 2. He also revealed that Whedon will have a hand in the creation of the proposed Marvel TV show for ABC.

No official word on how soon his work on either of these projects will start but keep your attention here as we will undoubtedly have the latest very soon.

[Ramplate]

:cool:

[Deexan]

Great news.

[Neverending]

2015 is the expected release date. ALSO, Joss Whedon will be creatively involved with the other Marvel films so their could be a smoother transition leading up to the sequel.

[Dhamon22]

Good move on Marvel's part.

[docstop]

Joss just has to not succomb to the Michael Bay issue of trying to make a sequel better by only adding more people and more explosions. Keep the same cast with maybe two super hero additions at most.

[slinger]

Deadline: (http://www.deadline.com/2012/08/avengers-2-now-dated-for-may-1-2015-exclusive/)
‘Avengers 2′ Now Dated For May 1, 2015 – EXCLUSIVE
By NIKKI FINKE

EXCLUSIVE: Joss Whedon already is set to direct Marvel’s The Avengers sequel which now will follow first Iron Man 3, then Thor 2, then Captain America 2, and a still untitled film on August 1, 2014. The Avengers 2 date is now May 1, 2015.

No surprise, but now official.

It joins The Hunger Games 4, The Smurfs 3 and a Pixar film as the only movies with official dates for 2015.

May 3, 2002 Spider-Man
May 2, 2003 X2: X-Men United
May 4, 2007 Spider-Man 3
May 3, 2008 Iron Man
May 1, 2009 X-Men Origins: Wolverine
May 7, 2010 Iron Man 2
May 6, 2011 Thor
May 4, 2012 The Avengers
May 3, 2013 Iron Man 3
May 2, 2014 The Amazing Spider-Man 2
May 1, 2015 The Avengers 2

and I'm sure they'll have something for May 2016 and for the rest of the decade.

[Wyldstaar]

never mind...

[sshuttari]

How could you forgot those Slinger!!!

[DarthVader 2004]

I think Avengers should be made like Rings was just do 3 or 2 movies at once and that way you would not have such a gap between films.

[docstop]

Loved it when Whedon said that Avengers 2, won't be "bigger" but will be "deeper." Seriously if Marvel plays its cards right again and Avengers 2 is just as financially successful as the first, then think of all the money Whedon is responsible for! Its setting up to be that way.

[Wyldstaar]

Loved it when Whedon said that Avengers 2, won't be "bigger" but will be "deeper." Seriously if Marvel plays its cards right again and Avengers 2 is just as financially successful as the first, then think of all the money Whedon is responsible for! Its setting up to be that way.

Whedon has generally been more interested in bringing what he considers to be a well told story to the screen than he has money, which is all to the best. If you craft a well made tale, featuring characters the audience enjoys, the money is there to be had. There's no need to insert stuff just for the sake of making a toy based on it. That sort of thing naturally springs out of comic book stories, anyway.

[Shaw]

Van Damme wants to be in Avengers 2 as requested by Chris Hemsworth!

http://thevandammefans.vandammefan.net/showthread.php?20241-Van-Damme-wants-to-be-in-Avengers-2-as-requested-by-Chris-Hemsworth

[Neverending]

Production will begin in Early 2014 at Pinewoods Studio in London.

[docstop]

Looking at the poll today... how can so many people want to see Spider-Man in the next Avengers? Black Panther would be pretty cool to see.

[Wyldstaar]

Looking at the poll today... how can so many people want to see Spider-Man in the next Avengers? Black Panther would be pretty cool to see.

I don't even get why Spider-Man and Wolverine are on the list of voting options at all. They're obviously not going to be in Avengers 2, so including them is a waste.

Personally, I'm not a big fan of the New Avengers line-up that brought Spider-Man and Wolverine onto the team. There are far too many more traditional members of The Avengers who are more appropriate which weren't included. These days, in the wake of the movie, there are more Avengers teams than I can keep track of.

[Heisenberg]

I like how Black Panther has the most votes...and it ain't even black history month y'all. Too bad Marvel is still playing it safe with only 2 brothas at a time. It could be worse, they could pull a Walking Dead and have a new brotha show up everytime the previous one gets killed.

[Wyldstaar]

I like how Black Panther has the most votes...and it ain't even black history month y'all. Too bad Marvel is still playing it safe with only 2 brothas at a time. It could be worse, they could pull a Walking Dead and have a new brotha show up everytime the previous one gets killed.

Morris Chestnut today posted to Twitter a Black Panther cover pic saying, "It's time to get familiar with the Black Panther character!" In the time it takes for a Marvel/Disney public relations representative to call an actor's agent and yell at them, the tweet was taken down.

[Heisenberg]

Yeah I read about that and...*sigh* I guess. I mean there's worse actors (Tyler Perry as Black Panther) but were Derek Luke and Chiwetel Ejiofor busy?

[Alien]

I don't understand why people can't get their head round the fact that Spider-Man isn't owned by Marvel Studios. Spider-Man will never be in an Avengers movie unless they can use Miles Morales in a cop out way.

[Wyldstaar]

At the Iron Man 3 premier in LA last night, Joss Whedon decided to talk about Avengers 2.

Joss Whedon - “I have actually finished a draft and I’m redoing it now. I think it’s in really good shape. We’re in a very good place… It’s going really well, eventually someone will explain to me that it’s not and pull me out of my bubble. I’ve been writing and meeting with actors and we’re starting to storyboard, all the preliminary processes. This is the part where it’s all still fun.”

Yahoo Movies - Will there be any new characters?

Joss Whedon - “I’ve got these two characters, two of my favorite characters from the comic book, a brother-sister act. They’re in the movie.”

http://ifanboy.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/quicksilverscarletwitch.jpg

[flyersfan92]

i loved the avengers but rhodey should have been in it and i hope he is added to the to mix in the sequel .

[Bane]

I could look it up on google, but what's the background on Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver?

[Ser Ty Of Ross]

Basically Magnetos kids originally in the Brotherhood of Evil Mutants then joined the Avengers in the 2nd incarnation of the team with Hawkeye. Wandas been an Avengers mainstay most of her comic career and Pietro is an on again off again member. There's bigger complicated things but that's the basics.

I wonder when they got Quicksilvers rights back from Fox.

I also wonder if this means Ant Man is shunted off to Avengers 3 with the heavily rumoured Wasp. Not to mention Vision, Ms Marvel and Black Panther who have also been tossed around as possibilities.

Willt hey go with an Ultron story for #3 and kick it off with the Ant Man movie by introducing Pym? Seems like a large risk when the Character is hardly the most popular of the Marvel pantheon.

When is the roster size too large? How many characters are too many? With the original 6 and Fury and Hill, Quicksilver, Scarlet Witch, we know at least Pym will be introduced eventually and as such Van Dyne would seem like a logical choice as well. Rhodey could always be included as well plus the 5-6 members of Guardians of the Galaxy then villian time for both Loki and Thanos.... This could quite easily already be a 20 character movie without supporting characters like Odin or Pepper around.

[Wyldstaar]

I wonder when they got Quicksilvers rights back from Fox.

Fox still holds the rights to Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch as part of the X-Men movie license. When it comes to these two characters however, the rights are not exclusive. Because they are so associated with The Avengers comics, the licensing contract specified that Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch could be used as characters in an Avengers film done by a studio other than Fox. If Fox wants to, they can have Q & SW in an X-Men movie as well, but they will be unassociated with the versions that appear in The Avengers 2.

[docstop]

Whedon says they're in the movie but he's also going through rewrites. Quicksilver will basically be the Flash for the Avengers. Wonder how it will turn out as my vote is to have Black Panther.

[bbf2]

Did he confirm that it was Quiksilver and Scarlet Witch? All he said was that it was a brother and sister. It could also mean that the von Strucker twins are in it as secondary villains.

[Wyldstaar]

Did he confirm that it was Quiksilver and Scarlet Witch? All he said was that it was a brother and sister. It could also mean that the von Strucker twins are in it as secondary villains.

Fenris are mutants with a history of fighting the X-Men, and thus fall into the Fox license for the X-Men.

That said, no Joss didn't confirm that he was talking about Pietro and Wanda. They are simply the logical conclusion to his statement, given the data available.

The other high profile brother/sister team of the Marvel Universe is Aurora and Northstar. They also fall into Fox's X-Men license.

[Neverending]

It's possible he was lying to mess with us.

[bbf2]

Fenris are mutants with a history of fighting the X-Men, and thus fall into the Fox license for the X-Men.

That said, no Joss didn't confirm that he was talking about Pietro and Wanda. They are simply the logical conclusion to his statement, given the data available.

The other high profile brother/sister team of the Marvel Universe is Aurora and Northstar. They also fall into Fox's X-Men license.

But they're also the children of Baron Strucker, who is clearly primarily a Fury/SHIELD/Avengers villain, and mostly associated with HYDRA which Marvel has the rights to, so I guess its a bit murky.

That being said I just saw a different interview where he said that the brother and sister were from "back when he read comics back in the day" so that basically confirms that its QS/SW.

[Neverending]

Robert Downey, Jr's contract with Marvel expired upon the completion of Iron Man 3. Now, with that movie on its way to gross $1 Billion worldwide, negotiations to get Downey signed for Avengers 2 are getting messy. Read all about it here:

http://www.deadline.com/2013/05/robert-downey-jr-avengers-marvel-negotiations-fight/

[sshuttari]

Disney should offer him whatever he wants at this point. He is the make it and break of the entire franchise of Avengers.

[Neverending]

Here's the highlight, sshuttari:

I’ve learned that Marvel and therefore owner Disney are going to run into big trouble on that sequel because the upfront pay, backend compensation, break even points and box office bonuses aren’t pinned down yet for several big stars and castmates.

The Avengers cast are ready to rumble with Marvel for the Avengers sequel slated for a May 2015 release. “Some received only $200,000 for Avengers and Downey got paid $50M. On what planet is that OK?” an insider tells me. CAA represents an overwhelming majority of the Marvel stars and is trying hard to keep the negotiations out of the public limelight and media headlines. But that may not be possible with some reps blaming the studio for ’scorched earth’ tactics past and present. ”Marvel has created so much animosity by strong-arming and bullying on sequels already. It’s counterproductive,” one source tells me. Says another, “I’m sick of Kevin Feige telling me again and again how Marvel is ‘reinventing the movie business’. It doesn’t work like this. They’re reinventing business, period.” I’ve learned Marvel already has threatened to sue or recast when contracts and/or options are challenged. That prompted a few cast members to respond, “Go ahead.” I hear Hemsworth especially wasn’t anxious to go back into that arduous diet and training regimen and subsist primarily on egg whites for Thor: Dark World which hits theaters November 8th. I also understand that Scarlett Johanssen told castmates she’s “not going to cut her quote” for Marvel’s Avengers 2. The actress as butt-kicking operative Black Widow in The Avengers and Iron Man 2 is wrapping Captain America: The Winter Soldier and has a whopping 8 options total.

Already a lot of brinkmanship played out for Captain America 2 and Thor 2. Calling it the “weirdest experience”, one rep still can’;t believe Marvel offered “only a $500,000 raise and then would pay another $500,000 when the movie hits $500M. Are they out of their minds?” When it was pointed out to Marvel that Hemsworth already had received $5M for his starring role in Snow White And The Huntsman, the studio shot back, ”I don’t know why you’re complaining when Marvel only has hit movies.” To which the response was, “He’s happier working at a place like Universal.” After hard-fought bargaining, Chris Evans for Captain America 2 and Chris Hemsworth for Thor 2 wound up with deals still weighted on the back end but at least with attainable break-even numbers and small upfront guarantees and box office bonuses.

The issue going forward is how many of the Avengers stars and starlets are still bound by early agreements and longterm options which Marvel can continue to exploit individually. To counter, I’ve learned the Avengers cast are becoming united behind Robert Downey Jr who is seen as the “leader” – like “a big brother” in the words of one rep - for all the younger actors in the ensemble. “He’s the only guy with real power in this situation. and balls of steel, too. He’s already sent a message that he’s not going to work for a place where they treat his colleagues like ****,” one source explains. Another rep tells me, “I have four words for Marvel – ‘**** you, call Robert.’” As Downey himself has said publicly about his $50M-plus payday, ”I’m what’s known as a strategic cost,” adding that Marvel is “so pissed” he earned that much.

[sshuttari]

Wow money hungry Di*ks!

If this article is accurate way to go RDJ. Sticking up for the cast and crew like that.

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I hope all of that talk on Avenger's 2 contracts is just gamesmanship. Seriously, if RDJ decides not to come back and I see him as the type of guy who is not enslaved to a particular role, the movie will make less. How much less? That's hard to say but I'm going to take a third off of what they made from the first.

Its a negotiation process so they aren't going to give the actors big upgrade contracts yet. If they are offered a substantial increase then the actors can just say they want more, especially if there is still time left before filming begins. Looking at the crazy amount of money Avengers made and the sequel will probably make if everyone comes back, primarily RDJ, then they can divide that pie up a lot more for the actors to benefit from. Worst case scenario for me is no RDJ as Iron-Man and one or two other characters walk too. The script ends up changing drastically into a big pile of crap because of this and ultimately movie-goers cry like babies. I know I will. ;)

If someone could be dropped completely or a new actor brought in, who would it be? Scarlett has been Black Widow for a long time but I can see someone else taking her spot or having it removed completely. Thoughts?

[Bane]

I'd rather see Iron Man scrapped from Avengers II altogether, than someone else playing the part of Tony Stark.

IM3 basically said: OK, we're done with this character. Time to move on.

[DarthVader 2004]

Um people wouldn't care anymore about Avengers 2 if cut out RDJ or Iron Man. In every Avengers adaptation Captain America and Iron Man are the 2 leaders of the team. It would be easier to replace Black Widow, and Captain America I think then to not have Iron Man and RDJ in it.

[sshuttari]

The Avengers Cinematic Breakdown: Past, Present, and Future. (http://i.imgur.com/BcO7ls2.jpg)

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IM3 basically said: OK, we're done with this character. Time to move on.

There's still Iron Patriot... and someone has to built all those suits.

[DarthVader 2004]

I am telling you This was meant to have the Character to seem Retired but Thanos and the new threat comes and Tony feels challenged and gets on his new Suit which he has secretly kept in the basement somewhere that he had made since he went through the Worm Hole.

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Sounds like a pretty good prediction of future events in Avengers 2, Vader. Heard a rumour that Thanos might not be fully in the movie till Avengers 3. Don't think I could wait that long!

Also, if Disney is so obsessed with making money why not practically guarantee that they will earn Avengers 1 type box office numbers by publicly stating something along the lines that 10% of all box office receipts will be going to a variety of charities. Seriously, that would be really awesome of them and I think the public would reward such generosity by turning out in droves week after week.

[FilmJerk]

Looks like Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch will be the villains.

http://movies.yahoo.com/blogs/movie-talk/quicksilver-scarlet-witch-confirmed-baddies-avengers-sequel-163604314.html

Despite the fact that the details of superhero movies are more secretive than the most elite branches of the government these days, Joss Whedon has given ‘Avengers’ fans an early gift by putting an end to the speculation and confirming the identities of the villains in the sequel. Ladies and gentleman, your “Avengers 2” baddies are…Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch.

The very busy writer/director had recently teased that two new characters, specifically a brother-sister act would be entering the “Avengers” fray, but Whedon did not reveal that said duo would be the troublemakers in the next movie until he spoke with IGN about the subject.

“You know, they had a rough beginning,” Whedon said of Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch. “They’re interesting to me because they sort of represent the part of the world that wouldn’t necessarily agree with The Avengers. So they’re not there to make things easier. I’m not putting any characters in the movie that will make things easier.”

So who exactly are these villains? Pietro Maximoff, aka Quicksilver, and Wanda Maximoff, aka Scarlet Witch, are twin siblings who actually made their Marvel comics debut in the “X-Men” comics back in 1964. They are the offspring of “X-Men” baddie Magneto and human mother Magda, and thanks to dear old dad’s mutant genes have some nifty abilities.

As his name suggests, Quicksilver moves and thinks at supersonic speeds and Scarlet Witch manipulates probability via hexes. Although in the comics the twins are troublemakers for the Avengers at first, they later join up with Earth’s Mightiest Heroes, so it will be interesting to see how that plays out in the highly-anticipated sequel, which hits theaters on May 1, 2015.

[DarthVader 2004]

They probably are secondary Villains who get manipulated by a real Baddie of the movie who works for Thanos as a final test before invasion.

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I hope that's not the plot. To me Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch are side characters and could never threaten the Avengers all together. The two would be cunning but we already saw that with Loki and I'm perfectly fine keeping him as "that" bad guy in the series.

[DarthVader 2004]

Loki at best is a tool. I am thinking what if Thanos hired them to make Red Hulk to see if these Avengers can stop That Kind Of Hulk.

[Wyldstaar]

When Scarlet Witch & Quicksilver first showed up in The Ultimates (the prototype of the MCU) they were very antagonistic towards the other members of the team. They were made part of the roster in exchange for amnesty from their crimes as members of The Brotherhood and for the release of political prisoners. They are the sort of members that would be foisted upon The Avengers by the World Security Council, much as they wanted to do with The Abomination.

[Ser Ty Of Ross]

I hope that's not the plot. To me Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch are side characters and could never threaten the Avengers all together.

Have you ever read Avengers: Dissasembled or House of M? Depending on what stage of development they put her at Wanda alone could easily take down the team. I'm not saying she should or that it would be good moviemaking to do so but the threat potential is definately there. Quicksilver isn't the same powerhouse threat but tends to act as Wandas catalyst with his egotistical ways shaping her decisions.

Although like most of you I'd really prefer they be the dupes in the whole scenario with strings being pulled by Thanos or another like say maybe Kang.

[Henri Ducard]

FOX just announced that Quicksilver will be in X-Men: Days of Future Past. So whether or not that ruined Marvel's plans remains to be seen.

[Fanible]

It shouldn't. They both have rights to use the character. I mean, I guess it could, in the sense that maybe Whedon/Marvel may not want to use the character any longer as a result.

[Bane]

It does seem bizarre that confirmation of Quicksilver being in X2 and AVII days apart.

All of a sudden a second tier comic book character is hot property with both FOX and Marvel.

[Wyldstaar]

I wouldn't read too much into the announcement about Quicksilver. Days of Future Past is already packed with an overwhelming amount of main characters we're familiar with. If Quicksilver is part of the cast, it will be as a very minor character. There have always been mutants in the background of scenes who are only referred to by name in the credits. Others are called out by name, yet have no real bearing on the plot.