Arrow - TV Series

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http://www.deadline.com/2012/01/cw-nears-pilot-order-to-green-arrow-drama-from-greg-berlanti-and-marc-guggenheim/

The CW is finalizing a deal for a pilot order to Arrow, an hourlong superhero drama based on DC Comics’ Green Arrow. It is written and executive produced by The Green Lantern co-writers Greg Berlanti and Marc Guggenheim and Fringe and Vampire Diaries alum Andrew Kreisberg. I hear that David Nutter is interested in directing the project, which takes the comic book character, created by Mort Weisinger and George Papp, and sets him in a new world with an original story that is not based on the comics, published by DC Entertainment. Arrow, produced by Warner Bros. TV and Berlanti’s studio-based Berlanti Television, was developed by Berlanti and Guggenheim who came up with the story and then brought in Kreisberg to co-write the script with them. Kreisberg, who has comics experience, having written DC Comics’ Green Arrow and Black Canary among other books, previously worked with Berlanti and Guggenheim on their ABC drama Eli Stone.

First introduced in an 1941 edition of More Fun Comics, Green Arrow is a superhero dressed like Robin Hood who is an archer using trick arrows, including glue, net, tear gas and even kryptonite arrows. His secret identity is billionaire Oliver Queen. This marks the character’s return to the CW where it was a fixture on the Superman-inspired Smallville for several years. Portrayed by Justin Hartley (below right), who is not attached to Arrow, Oliver Queen/Green Arrow was introduced in a 7-episode arc on the show in 2006, with Hartley joining the series as a regular in 2008. Also serving as a bridge between the two shows would be Nutter, who directed the pilot for Smallville.

Developing a series based on a DC property to succeed the recently departed Smallville was a priority for the CW this development season. “We’re looking next year to do a superhero show if the right superhero comes to be,” CW president Mark Pedowitz said at the summer TCA. In addition to Arrow, the network has in contention an adaptation of Deadman penned by Supernatural creator Eric Kripke. This is the CW’s second pilot order this season, following the pickup of mystery drama Cult last week.

Arrow would mark the second pilot order for Berlanti and Guggenheim so far this season. Earlier this week, Fox greenlighted Guilty, a legal drama penned by Guggenheim and executive produced by him and Berlanti. Berlanti, Guggenheim, Nutter and Kreisberg, who serves as co-executive producer on Syfy’s Warehouse 13, are with WME.

[thebtskink]

It willl be on CW = it will suck.

[Tornado]

Green Arrow was one of the worst things about Smallville. I'd check it out because I'm an easy target for anything superhero-related, but I am not optimistic about it.

[Neverending]

Green Arrow was awesome in season 6. But, it's irrelevant since this Green Arrow isn't the same from Smallville.

[Nick1988]

Yeah if its on CW, chances are it's going to suck

[Neverending]

The CW is under new leadership. They're trying to fix the channel now. And if "Nikita" is any indication of where they're headed, then I applaud them.

[thebtskink]

If someone can convince me a show on the CW is not angst-ridden and will not be for the next 2 episodes, I will give it a shot.

[Tornado]

But, it's irrelevant since this Green Arrow isn't the same from Smallville.

No, it's relevant. It shows that a live-action Green Arrow won't work as well as they want it to. You have to admit, for the past few seasons the show was about Oliver almost as much as it was Clark. I don't think the character of Green Arrow is interesting enough to carry his own show... maybe in some kind of ragtag Justice League adaptation with him, Flash, Aquaman, and Martian Manhunter. But just Oliver Queen? Snooze...

[Neverending]

Oliver Queen/Green Arrow was awesome in season 6 when he was THE hero. But since that made Clark look bad, in seasons 8 thru 10, they turned him into a whiny teenager who occasionally joined the dark side.

Besides, the Green Arrow from Smallville, atleast in season 6, was the old school Batman rip-off. The Green Arrow everyone is familiar with is the social crusader from the 1970s. If they decided to adapt that Green Arrow it would be incredible. And in this world of Occupy Wall Street and the Tea Party it would be VERY relevant.

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http://www.deadline.com/2012/01/the-cw-gives-pilot-orders-to-arrow-the-carrie-diaries-beauty-and-the-beast/

The CW went heavily after pre-sold titles in its pilot choices today, greenlighting Arrow, based on the DC Comics book Green Arrow; an adaptation of Candace Bushnell’s novel The Carrie Diaries, a prequel to Sex And The City; and a reboot of the 1980s series Beauty And The Beast. The three join the first pilot ordered by the CW this season, mystery drama Cult.

Arrow is described as a modern retelling of the story of DC Comics character Green Arrow. The project, from Berlanti Prods and Warner Bros TV, was written by Andrew Kreisberg (Warehouse 13) and Marc Guggenheim based on a story by Greg Berlanti and Guggenheim. The three are credited as writers/executive producers on the pilot. David Nutter is expected to direct. Justin Hartley, who played the character on the CW’s Smallville for several seasons, is not attached to the new project. Arrow marks the second pilot order for Berlanti and Guggenheim this season along with the Fox legal drama Guilty, written by Guggenheim and executive produced by him and Berlanti.

[Neverending]

The CW has commissioned a pilot, and so, here's the casting sheet:

- Oliver Queen is a “27 year old reformed bad boy.” He spent five years shipwrecked on a tiny, dangerous island. He returns to Starling City “a different man.”

- Dinah “Laurel” Lance is 28, and she’s “a legal aid attorney determined to use her life as a one-woman war against the 1%” following the death of her sister Sara.

- Sara is Laurel's sister, and she died aboard Oliver’s yacht.

- Tommy Merlyn is 28 years old and devil-smooth. He can’t understand Oliver’s change of lifestyle and direction. He likes parties, liquor, and sex.

- Moira Queen is very wealthy and “not used to being shaken.” She is in charge of the Queen fortune.

- John Diggle is a 35 year old African-American military man who served with the Army Rangers in Afghanistan. He’s hired by Moira to be Oliver’s bodyguard. Oliver repeatedly eludes his protection.

- Thea Queen, Oliver’s younger sister. She was 12 when Oliver and her father disappeared. Now she’s a “celebutante” who acts badly. She loved her big brother with all of her heart, and she’s glad to have him back – but now that she’s older and spreading her wings, she might not be ready for Oliver to be Bad Cop in her family and making sure she behaves. She is the only one who gets away with calling Oliver “Ollie,” and Ollie, in turn, calls her “Speedy.”

[Alien]

Green Arrow was one of the worst things about Smallville. I'd check it out because I'm an easy target for anything superhero-related, but I am not optimistic about it.
He was probably the best thing about Smallville. I liked Smallville and all but if it was the Green Arrow show and not The Blur it would've been much better, Clark was just boring all the time.

[Tornado]

Ugh.

[MasterChief117]

I don't think he was the worst or best part of Smallville. He was entertaining. I didn't like the storyline where they had him all depressed and like an alcoholic. No, that was lame but he was entertaining.

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So... no comments on the character sheet?

[Alien]

And for those who can't be arsed looking for the character sheet. http://www.thetvaddict.com/2012/01/24/green-arrow-pilot-scoop/


The CW’s [GREEN] ARROW: Let’s Cast the Pilot!

Attention SMALLVILLE fans who have been patiently waiting for the CW to come to their senses and simply hand over the titular role in their proposed [GREEN] ARROW reboot to heir apparent Justin Hartley: Don’t hold your breath! Or at least that was our main takeaway after getting a glimpse of a just released casting breakdown that mysteriously found its way into our inbox late last night.

What’s more, since we’ve always been a big proponent of the old adage “if you can’t beat ‘em, join ‘em,” we thought rather than continue to bemoan what we can’t control, we’d have a little fun by choosing our dream cast for what sure looks to be shaping up to be a fantastic reboot. See for yourself, after the jump.

OLIVER QUEEN
What They’re Looking For: A 27 year old reformed bad boy, who after having spent five years shipwrecked on a tiny, brutally dangerous island in the South China Sea returns to town a different man. Or to be more specific, a tortured, thoughtful master of the bow with a ferocious determination to make a difference.
Who We’re Pitching: Chris Carmack (THE OC), Rafi Gavron (LIFE UNEXPECTED), Christopher Egan (KINGS), Michael Graziadei (AMERICAN HORROR STORY)

DINAH “LAUREL” LANCE
What They’re Looking For: 28 years old, smart sexy, Laurel is a legal aid attorney determined to use her life as a one-woman war against the 1% following the death of her younger sister Sara. A sister, who as luck would have it, just so happened to have died aboard Oliver’s yacht.
Who We’re Pitching: Tina Majorino (VERONICA MARS), Lindsey Shaw (10 THINGS I HATE ABOUT YOU), Allison Miller (TERRA NOVA), Jurnee Smollett (FRIDAY NIGHT LIGHTS)

TOMMY MERLYN
What They’re Looking For: 28 years old and devil-smooth, Tommy is a trustafarian like Oliver, a spectacularly rich young man whose life revolves around parties, clubs, liquor and lots of anonymous sex. Unlike Oliver, he can’t seem to understand his former best friend’s sudden change of lifestyle and direction.
Who We’re Pitching: Jason Dohring (VERONICA MARS), Sebastian Stan (KINGS), Benjamin Stone (THE NINE LIVES OF CHLOE KING), Giaus Charles (FRIDAY NIGHT LIGHTS)

MOIRA QUEEN
What They’re Looking For: 48 years old, a beautiful woman, Oliver’s mother Moira is a very wealthy woman who is not used to being shaken. Having remarried during the five years that former husband Robert and Oliver were both presumed dead, Moira has had free rein over the Queen billions. Not surprisingly, she’s deeply interested in learning whether or not Robert will also return unexpectedly, to ruin her present marriage and go over the books with a fine-tooth comb.
Who We’re Pitching: Lena Olin (ALIAS), Dana Delany (BODY OF PROOF), Susanna Thompson (KINGS), Rena Sofer (HEROES), Carrie-Anne Moss (CHUCK)

JOHN DIGGLE
What They’re Looking For: 35 years old, African-American, Diggle is really, really big, a former military man who served with the Army Rangers in Afghanistan, and has been a bodyguard for hire for the last four years. Hired by Moira to be Oliver’s chauffeur and protector, Diggle soon finds he is trapped in a battle of wits, as Oliver repeatedly eludes his protection. But in fact, Diggle’s primary conflict is one of loyalty — he has to show that he’s working for Oliver, not Moira, before Oliver will give him a smidgen of trust.
Who We’re Pitching: Sean Blackmore (GENERAL HOSPITAL), J.R. Martinez (DANCING WITH THE STARS), Harry Lennix (DOLLHOUSE), Richard T. Jones (TERMINATOR: THE SARAH CONNOR CHRONICLES)

THEA QUEEN
What They’re Looking For: 17 years old (suggest 17-22 years), Oliver’s Lolita-esque sister, Thea was a 12 year old girl when he went on his infamous yachting voyage — but now she’s a celebutante who’s testing the boundaries of acceptable behavior. Thea loved her big brother with all her heart, and is delighted to have him back in her life — but she’s spreading her wings, and is unprepared for Oliver to become the Bad Cop in the family, restricting her access to boys and drugs.
Who We’re Pitching: Annie Clark (DEGRASSI)

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One of the highest-profile young lead roles this pilot season has gone to Stephen Amell. In a potentially star-making turn, Amell has been cast in the title role on the CW drama pilot Arrow. On the Warner Bros. TV-produced project, described as a modern retelling of the story of DC Comics character Green Arrow, he will play the vigilante superhero who fights crime using archery, martial arts and technology under his secret identity as Oliver Queen, a wealthy playboy and billionaire industrialist-turned-outspoken politician in Star City. David Nutter is directing the pilot written/executive produced by Andrew Kreisberg, Greg Berlanti and Marc Guggenheim. Amell, repped by SMS and Leverage, is a familiar face at the CW where he has done arcs on The Vampire Diaries and 90210. He most recently recurred on HBO’s Hung and ABC’s Private Practice and was one of the finalists to replace Andy Whitfield as the lead on Spartacus. Amell is the second actor to portray the Green Arrow on the CW. Justin Hartley played the character on the Smallville for several seasons.

[Henri Ducard]

http://www.superherohype.com/images/stories/2012/March/arrowfirstimagesmall.jpg

Click for crazy high-res version:
http://www-deadline-com.vimg.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/ARROW__120319170830.jpg

[Neverending]

Looks like the one from Smallville but with a few modifications.

[Ramplate]

Sounds as awesome as The Cape :funny:

[Neverending]

Take that back.

[Alien]

Looks like the one from Smallville but with a few modifications.
At first glance it does but then you start noticing everything that is different. It's like Batman suits in the old movies are all Batman but all different.

[Neverending]

So which do you prefer?

[Alien]

After seeing only one photo. I'll stick with the Smallville version. Smallville also had the better bow and quiver.

[MasterChief117]

I cannot judge until I see it in action.

[Neverending]

Drakon is in the pilot. He is being played by Darren Shahlavi

[Henri Ducard]

This pilot has more action than 10 seasons of Smallville.

[MasterChief117]

When does this show debut?

[Neverending]

When does this show debut?

They are filming the pilot right now. If the show gets picked up, it'll debut in September.

[Alien]

Someone needs to add a poll. Will this show be picked up?

[Neverending]

Will this show be picked up?

Maybe. The new boss at CW wants the channel to be more guy-friendly. So, they are definitely counting on this show.

[Alien]

I'm really not sure about the show though. Superheros on TV haven't really got a good track record. If it isn't Superman they just fail.

[Neverending]

They'll probably sell it as Batman-Lite.

[Alien]

And the "lite" might turn off people who want Batman or nothing at all.

[Neverending]

Once footage is released, we'll have a better idea of what to expect.

[Neverending]

http://www.deadline.com/2012/05/cw-picks-up-carrie-diaries-arrow-cult-beauty-and-the-beast-first-cut-to-series/

It's official. Arrow has been picked up. We got another superhero show on television, folks. And hopefully this will be better than Smallville.

[MasterChief117]

I'm up for anything, as long as the aim for Batman-lite.

[Neverending]

With the success of the Avengers, I think they'll be inspired to be more superhero-y. None of that Red-Blue-Blur nonsense from Smallville.

[Alien]

Plus Avengers showed how to have an archer with trick arrows work outside the comics.

[morpheus1987]

Plus Avengers showed how to have an archer with trick arrows work outside the comics.

Hopefully they can take a semi-realistic approach as well.

[Alien]

I'm not sure they'll have the budget to pull of semi-realistic, it'll need to be hammed up a bit.

[Neverending]

It's weird to think that Arrow is the first live-action comic book adaptation for television since Birds of Prey. Aquaman and Wonder Woman failed to get past the pilot stage. Meanwhile... Heroes, The Cape, and No Ordinary Family were originals that failed to last longer than a few seasons. So... as I said, hopefully Arrow becomes the Smallville replacement we, the fans, desperately need right now.

[morpheus1987]

Hopefully it will be the replacement we deserve as well

[Neverending]

Hopefully it will be the replacement we deserve as well

I'll settle for less if it's good enough. I watched all 10 seasons of Smallville and 90% of the show was horrible.

[New GL of sector 2814]

It's weird to think that Arrow is the first live-action comic book adaptation for television since Birds of Prey. Aquaman and Wonder Woman failed to get past the pilot stage. Meanwhile... Heroes, The Cape, and No Ordinary Family were originals that failed to last longer than a few seasons. So... as I said, hopefully Arrow becomes the Smallville replacement we, the fans, desperately need right now.

Aquaman was a the casualty of the WB/UPN merger and deserved to go to series, Wonder Woman I haven't seen so I can't give my opinion. I actually liked Birds of Prey personally though I haven't heard of many people who did.

[Neverending]

I heard that Birds of Prey got better at the end of the season. But most people didn't last that long.

[Ayemef]

the final episode was good

unfortunately it was the only good episode as it featured Clayface in a Hannible Lecter like scenario

[Neverending]

They should put the show on Netflix... or at least Hulu.

[MasterChief117]

I really liked Birds of Prey. Shocker? Doubtful. Entertaining. I liked the premise.

[New GL of sector 2814]

Definantly good premise

[Ayemef]

good premise, horrible execution

bought the box set, ran through the season once, sold it to Disc Replay within a week

[ExTERmINATION]

Meh, it's the Green Arrow, don't know how big the fan base. None of my friends or their friends even bring up the Green Arrow during our conversations with super heroes.

[Ayemef]

well he's not a popular character, that's for sure

[Neverending]

ARROW will air WEDNESDAYS at 8pm. It is also the new lead-in for SUPERNATURAL.

http://www-deadline-com.vimg.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/AR101e-0690b__120517130250.jpg

[Ramplate]

After watching Hawkeye it could be an interesting series - I couldn't find a picture of it, but in the Smallville version (which I admittedly did not see often) his quiver (as I recall it) seemed to resemble a quiver from kid's plastic suction cup bow & arrow set.

From what I recall - I could be in error though - he did have a nice collection of bows though

[Neverending]

He did.

[Ramplate]

In the comics Speedy was one of my favorite Teen Titans - his arrows were so cool

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MAY I HAVE YOUR ATTENTION? Here's the first clip of ARROW:

http://www.cwtv.com/cw-video/arrow/?play=f1e1e0d6-1508-41d2-beee-cead653358ed

EDIT:

YouTube clip

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[Ramplate]

took me a while to find it because I was looking for "Green Arrow"
but it's under "2012 Fall Preview"

Not bad - we shall see where it leads (wow he's in good shape)

[Neverending]

(wow he's in good shape)

Yeah... better than Tom Welling. (waits for Tornado)

[MasterChief117]

took me a while to find it because I was looking for "Green Arrow"
but it's under "2012 Fall Preview"

Not bad - we shall see where it leads (wow he's in good shape)

I couldn't find it either. Finally did.



Yeah, his body...meh, not as good as mine.

[MasterChief117]

Yeah... better than Tom Welling. (waits for Tornado)

You had better hide.

[Neverending]

All right, guys. It's on YouTube now:

VpFobB8EpKQ

[MasterChief117]

The work out he's doing....Whew.

[Neverending]

The work out he's doing....Whew.

Arrow is supposed to be more guy-friendly, and yet, the CW's first clip is the guy working out. Their usual female audience is gonna flock to this show.

[MasterChief117]

Probably why they did that.

[Neverending]

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[sshuttari]

Looks promising... I like the part where he's working out no pun mentioned.

Welling was always a lazy Superman.... (waiting for Tornado runs and hide)

[Neverending]

This guy can beat up Welling with his pinky.

[MasterChief117]

Looks promising... I like the part where he's working out no pun mentioned.

Welling was always a lazy Superman.... (waiting for Tornado runs and hide)

He's going to make comment about his extensive work on the farm...watch. (runs and hides)

[Neverending]

He's going to make comment about his extensive work on the farm...watch. (runs and hides)

And how Welling is too modest to show-off.

[MasterChief117]

You mean the big reason why we technically NEVER got to see Superman in his suit in Smallville because he was 'too humble'. Whatever. Get bent Welling. (runs and hides)

[Neverending]

You mean the big reason why we technically NEVER got to see Superman in his suit in Smallville because he was 'too humble'.

That's exactly right.

[Tolkien]

All right, guys. It's on YouTube now:

VpFobB8EpKQ

The work out he's doing....Whew.
I think he's either training to become the Green Arrow, or take part in this year's Ninja Warrior, lol.

Looks interesting though. Too early to tell. Especially now, with sci-fi/hero shows all but gone from the air.



EDIT: Noticed something in the discription below;

"Oliver Queen creates the persona of Arrow -- a vigilante -- to right the wrongs of his family, fight the ills of society, and restore Starling City to its former glory. Arrow premieres Wednesdays this fall on The CW."

Don't they mean STAR City

[Neverending]

Could be a typo.

[Neverending]

MAY I HAVE YOUR ATTENTION, please. Ladies and gentlemen, we have a trailer:

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[sshuttari]

That's a trailer!!!

I'm sold!

[Ramplate]

Cool back story.

Good to see that he's not wearing that gawd awful neon green costume from Smallville

[Neverending]

That's a trailer!!!

I'm sold!

I hope the pilot is 2 hours.

[Ayemef]

looks good, but "Starling" City? WTH?!?!

[Tornado]

Looks okay. I'll check out the pilot.

[Neverending]

Looks okay.

You finally show up and that's all you say? What a disappointment.

[DarthVader 2004]

That would make a great movie . Looks like it is early Smallville Cool before Lex left the show.
I never understood why people don't like the Green Arrow i think if Batman can work a viglanti like Arrow would work.
But then again DC and WB can't get there minds off of just Batman mode. Because ever other comic character has no passion behind the product. Maybe Snyder can make great Man Of Steel and we will get great other movies done by DC comic characters

[MasterChief117]

You finally show up and that's all you say? What a disappointment.

I was going to make an inappropriate joke about him and Smallville, but this thread is filled with it. It generally is very hard to impress Tornado, but I respect his high standards.


I haven't been able to watch the trailer yet. I would rather not have a group of college students stare at me whilst I watch a trailer. Just a pet peeve.

[Deexan]

Looks pretty good.

[Ramplate]

I was going to make an inappropriate joke about him and Smallville, but this thread is filled with it. It generally is very hard to impress Tornado, but I respect his high standards.


I haven't been able to watch the trailer yet. I would rather not have a group of college students stare at me whilst I watch a trailer. Just a pet peeve.

Let me help you get over that ;)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v211/ramplate/popcorncat.gif

[Neverending]

It generally is very hard to impress Tornado, but I respect his high standards.

Sarcasm?

[MasterChief117]

Sarcasm?

No? I mean beyond Smallville, which he was bias about he has always been grounded and acute to his standards. If that makes sense. We all have movies/tv shows that sneak past our standards because we hold it dear to ourselves. Like how I absolutely love The Replacements and Like Mike, even though both are dumb as hell.

[Neverending]

http://splashpage.mtv.com/2012/05/18/stephen-amell-arrow-interview/

"It's pretty kick ass," the actor tells MTV Splash Page of what we should expect from the CW's take on Green Arrow this Fall. "There's a lot of action; there's a lot of fighting. It's close hand to hand combat and it's aggressive. The entire pilot just keeps ramping up the entire way. You don't get a break." As for the training he went through (Amell can be seen looking extremely buff in the clip, trailer and TV spot) he said, "It was the basics; it was like 'wax on, wax off' stuff. I did a bunch of parkour, and then I got into weight training and the specific fight choreography for the pilot, and that sort of continued to ramp up as we went along."

"I think that when you see the pilot, other than in name, the characters really don't have anything in common," Amell confirmed when asked about any similarities between this and the Green Arrow introduced in Smallville and played by Justin Hartely. "It's very different and people will get that after about two minutes of the show." As for the costume, he added added, "The idea for the costume was I wanted to be able to put the costume on by myself. Because if I could put the costume on by myself that means that it's functional and if it's functional people will buy it. My boots are actually Nike Frees, which is kind of cool. It's leather and it's tight and it's aggressive, but I can move in it. People will like it."

[Tornado]

Sarcasm?

I watched one show that's not terribly popular with the general public. You, Neverending, are going to comment on my taste? Give me a break.

[Neverending]

You, Neverending, are going to comment on my taste? Give me a break.

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[Tolkien]

You finally show up and that's all you say? What a disappointment.
What more can he say? They're not giving us much to go on and what they have shown us is mediocre at best. It does look okay, but it doesn't look great. And who's to say that this show is even going to make it past it's first season? With that thought in mind, why should someone even watch this show when it first premieres when there's a slim at best chance of the show surviving? If it makes it to season 2 or 3, maybe I'll give it a shot. But I have no hope for it's survival. Especially on CW.

[Neverending]

Especially on CW.

The expectations are lower on CW. It doesn't need to get big ratings for it survive. Smallville lasted 10 years and it averaged 2-3 million viewers. Nikita was just renewed for a 3rd season and it's one of the lowest rated shows on network television. I'm not saying there's a guarantee the show will last beyond its first season. CW cancels shows just like any other network. But it isn't the type of network where you need to freak out. As long as it gets over a million viewers it'll be fine.

[Ayemef]

on point

the CW isn't FOX where they expect 2/3rd's of the country to tune in every week

[Neverending]

Again, there's no guarantee. Birds of Prey definitely didn't last beyond its first season. But there's no reason to wait either.

[Tornado]

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Not mad. I just think it's ridiculous that you constantly judge me for liking Smallville (don't forget that you watched it too) despite the fact that your taste in television could be called into question for more than a couple of reasons. I liked the show, get over it. It has been over for a year now, and yet you seem to bring it up every chance you get? Don't you have better things to do?

[MasterChief117]

He does need a new hobby. Knitting or perhaps some other arts and crafts.

[Ayemef]

woh now, who's dissing Smallville?

that happens to be my favorite show, past and present

infact I'm currently running through the entire series in my spare time

[Neverending]

Yes, it's true that I watched Smallville too. But I watched it as a Superman fan curious of a new interpretation. Tornado, however, watched it because, apparently, it was a mirror image of his life. That always made me laugh. So, I'm very curious if Tornado is also gonna make some ridiculous claims about Arrow. And then go on to write 5 paragraph reviews of every episode. The entertainment value of this thread is very dependant on that. I mean, seriously, can you imagine the Smallville thread without Tornado? It wouldn't have been the same. So, if Tornado is gonna ignore this thread then we all have a right to protest. There are photos, a clip, and a trailer. And his response has been incredibly disappointing.

[Tornado]

I watched it initially because I loved Superman. Don't forget that I'm 24. When the show came out, I was 13. I had a connection with it because I grew up with it. Don't make a mockery of that connection. The show meant a lot to me when I had some issues and it gave me something to look forward to every week. **** you Neverending if you can't understand that. Haven't you ever been upset or depressed and connected with a movie, a book, a song, or a TV show? Well mine was Smallville. It is what it is, don't make fun of me for it. I find it incredibly offensive and demeaning every time you bring up both Smallville and me in the same negative and mocking context. The fact that I have raised this point multiple times in the past and yet you continue to do so says to me that you don't respect me as a person. And I'm not asking you to, but leave me the **** alone. I'm tired of this bull****, and I'm done talking to you.

[DarthVader 2004]

To be honest I would like a Batman show made for tv. Birds Of Prey could have been something if they really tried to do it right. Arrow looks like it kinda belongs in the line up with Supernatural some how. Its looks great and i like Green Arrow as a character form DC.

[sshuttari]

For me it was Star Trek Voyager when I was a kid and depressed that show picked me up I don't know why. People still look at me puzzled when I say that is my favorite Star Trek.

**** You! I grew up with it and it introduced me to Star Trek and Scifi in general...

[DarthVader 2004]

Star Trek Deep Space is second favorite 9 but TNG is best Star Trek show I think. I never watched Voyager. They need to make a new Star Trek show its been too long without a Gene Roddenberry something

[Deexan]

I find it quite funny how so many of us nerdlingers are waiting on a show to hit its 2nd or 3rd season before we'll watch it. Is this a prevalent attitude amongst the masses do you think? I mean, if everybody making such a claim actually took a chance on these shows from the get-go maybe some wouldn't get cancelled so soon...

[Neverending]

if everybody making such a claim actually took a chance on these shows from the get-go maybe some wouldn't get cancelled so soon...

Amen.

[DaRkKnIgHtDeTeCtIvE]

I find it quite funny how so many of us nerdlingers are waiting on a show to hit its 2nd or 3rd season before we'll watch it. Is this a prevalent attitude amongst the masses do you think? I mean, if everybody making such a claim actually took a chance on these shows from the get-go maybe some wouldn't get cancelled so soon...

Sadly,watching faithfully could not help the creative tragedy that was Heroes. Smallville is a series that is a good example of a series that lived way past it's expiration date and gave long time viewers such as myself very little pay off in the end.
I'll definitely give Green Arrow a fair shot, but if it goes the typical CW route and makes him an Elseworld's character I'll tune out well before the end of the first season.

[Neverending]

There's new management at the CW. I think they're trying to avoid their usual route and become more guy-friendly.

[DarthVader 2004]

Sadly,watching faithfully could not help the creative tragedy that was Heroes. Smallville is a series that is a good example of a series that lived way past it's expiration date and gave long time viewers such as myself very little pay off in the end.
I'll definitely give Green Arrow a fair shot, but if it goes the typical CW route and makes him an Elseworld's character I'll tune out well before the end of the first season.

Angel is a Show too me in its final season was better then Charmed and Smallville that lingered. I think Angel and Supernatural would have been a good night of TV. I think Angel least deserved a Sixth season chance simple because Joss kinda made the WB interesting with Buffy which now is called CW.

[Tornado]

Angel deserved a sixth season for a lot of reasons. Some of the studio heads at the WB at the time said that it would have gotten a sixth season if Joss hadn't asked for an early announcement. Apparently Joss's assumption that they would get one at all really pissed them off, and they decided to cancel the series. If the sixth season had been at all like what they did in the comics, it would have been the best season of any of Whedon's shows. L.A. sent to Hell.

[Tolkien]

^ Boom!

[New GL of sector 2814]

[QUOTE=DaRkKnIgHtDeTeCtIvE;2806485]Sadly,watching faithfully could not help the creative tragedy that was Heroes. QUOTE]

Only after the shortend second season was it a tragedy. IF they had done Tim's vision of the second half of the second season was it would have continued at that strong pace for a few more seasons IMO. The first season of Heroes is one of the best 3 TV seasons of all time with Prison Break season 1 and Supernatural season 2.

[DaRkKnIgHtDeTeCtIvE]

Totally agree about the first season GL, but it's rare anymore for these show's to stay creative, especially if they have the incredible first season like Heroes. One show I wish I would have supported was BSG.

[Tornado]

Heroes had an amazing first season. I even enjoyed most of Season 2 and it's a show I've always wanted to revisit, I've just been lazy about it.

[Knerys]

There are good things here and not so good things.... But it's enough to get me to at least watch the pilot.

[Neverending]

New Trailer:

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[Fanible]

His dialogue and delivery is pretty awful in that preview. Otherwise I guess it looks pretty cool.

I can't stand anything related to the CW though, so I'm not holding out much hope.

[FranklinTard]

looks pretty cheap and terrible.

[MovieBuff801]

I'll give it a shot, but my expectations are pretty mixed as of now.

[Ayemef]

it's looks good enough to give a shot, but the whole "Arrow" & "Starling City" thing will ALWAYS make me cringe inside

like nails on a chalkboard

[Neverending]

so much hate.

[Ayemef]

I think the show itself looks good and well made

but I will never understand why they made the changes to his name and city and would like (nay, DEMAND) they go on record and explain themselves at some point

and sooner, rather than later

[Neverending]

It doesn't matter, really.

[Ayemef]

it doesn't completely break the show, no

but it does automatically lose a few points because of it

[JGBarnes]

looks pretty cheap and terrible.

What you said.

[chumchees]

CW means it will be bad, but superhero means I will watch. Green Arrow is in my top 5 for superheroes, so I will probably endure the whole series, however long it lasts or bad it gets.

[Neverending]

Let's wait for the show to premiere before we jump to conclusions.

[bbf2]

Let's wait for the show to premiere before we jump to conclusions.

That's not how the internet works!

[Neverending]

True.

[FranklinTard]

yea, i won't worry about it, i'll be here to say i told you so.

[Ayemef]

New arrow details:
http://theouthousers.com/podcasts/why-i-love-comics/20090.html

Speaking to The Outhousers in a podcast, writer Marc Guggenheim talks in detail about his new CW show Arrow and what fans should expect---

On whether that's indeed Deathstroke's mask in the teaser trailer and if we can expect him to show up in the series?
Marc Guggenheim : That is most definitely the mask. I would encourage people to watch the show, particularly watch future episodes.

Will the show be similar in tone to Smallville?
MG: This is a brand new take. Smallville was an amazing show, it was an incredible vision of Superman and a lot of other DC superheroes including Green Arrow. This is a different take. This is taking Green Arrow from the ground up and making him the center of a show and we have to change the tone to fit the character. [The show] will be much more grounded, more realistic because he's a more realistic superhero than Superman, he doesn't fly, he doesn't have x-ray vision, he doesn't have super powers and our show reflects that.

It shares similarities with Smallville in so far that it's produced by Warner Bros., it's on the CW, David Nutter directed the pilot, Glen Winter was D.P. on Smallville, it shares certain talent. But apart from that it is a new and completely different kind of show. How many episodes will the show have in its first season?
MG: We got picked up for 13 episodes. The standard [network] order is pilot +12 and that's what we're writing towards. But we have plans for what episode 22 would be, what seasons 2 and 3 would be about and with any luck, we get to tell all those stories.

Who made the decision to change the name of Green Arrow's hometown to Starling City?
MG: Basically,the decision was made by me and my co-writers, Greg Berlanti and Andrew Kreisberg, and was in keeping with the notion that the show should be grounded in the real world, as much as possible. And we asked ourselves the question, "Would there be a city named Star City, in this day and age?" It sounds very science-fiction and we made the decision that it took us out of the tone that we were trying to set with the book.

We thought about setting the show in Seattle because Seattle was where Mike Grell (Green Arrow: The Longbow Hunters) had set his Green Arrow run but we steered away from that idea because we wanted a fictional city that we could blow up or get into its politics or create gangs, the artistic license a fictional city affords you. Originally it was going to be Starkton City but then to avoid comparisons with Iron Man, Andrew came up with Starling City and we all liked the name. If you check out the series, we tried to include references like Star City is what the tourist bureau calls the city.

Any other DC heroes appearing in the show? MG: I
would say, watch very carefully and watch more than the pilot.

well I finally got my wish and answer, and to say the absolute least, it flat out sucks. That is in no way shape or form a logical or reasonable excuse for the city name change

not at all

[Fresh Prince]

New arrow details:
http://theouthousers.com/podcasts/why-i-love-comics/20090.html



well I finally got my wish and answer, and to say the absolute least, it flat out sucks. That is in no way shape or form a logical or reasonable excuse for the city name change

not at all

Should of went with Seattle or Star City.

[Fresh Prince]

yea, i won't worry about it, i'll be here to say i told you so.

You think the series gonna suck?

[Ramplate]

You think the series gonna suck?

Fraklintard thinks everything sucks :hehe:

[Ayemef]

Should of went with Seattle or Star City.

should've just went with Star City

since there were no restrictions in using it

oh, it wasn't GROUNDED enough for the show's tone

suck my foot it wasn't grounded enough

people can say what they want about Smallville, but at least they didn't pull any bullcrap like that. I couldn't imagine if they went with something like Littleville or Metropolitan City

and any changes that show made WAS due to restrictions (Impulse instead of Flash, Curtis Knox instead of Vandal Savage).

Arrow is already starting off on the wrong foot, as the 2 name changes are incredibley uncalled for (Arrow as oppose to Green Arrow, Starling City oppose to Star City)

not good at all

[Neverending]

Kelly Hu will guest star as villain China White.

[Ramplate]

http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20090914133953/phineasandferb/images/thumb/0/01/StacyGivesAdvice.png/1000px-StacyGivesAdvice.png
Stacy Hirano!

[mr.redbeacon]

Any one think CW might be a good place for a Y the last man series?

[mr.redbeacon]

Could look something like this....pretty cool Y fan film that just came out.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tfgzjWuPMBc

[Alien]

Any one think CW might be a good place for a Y the last man series?
Nope.

[Rogue23]

Arrow: Justice Preview

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y5WocwEjpk4&feature=plcp

[Alien]

Arrow: Justice Preview

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I fixed that video. One day people will learn how it is done. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y5WocwEjpk4 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y5WocwEjpk4)

[Justin]

It could be good, then again I haven't seen Smallville.

[Henri Ducard]

Best pilot of the season!

[The Kid]

Awesome pilot!!!

[Neverending]

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ARROW - EPISODE 1.01


Oliver Queen, a rich partyboy, is on a yacht during a category 2 hurricane. As expected, the waves capsize the boat and he ends up stranded on an island for five years. His father and his girlfriend's sister, whom he was having an affair with, die during the trip. But before his father's death, he learns about the corrupt businessmen that have ruined his city. So when he is finally rescued, his sole mission is to rid his town of the filth.

The pilot serves two functions: to tell the Green Arrow origin while featuring a self-contained Robin Hood inspired tale. This is accomplished by focusing on Oliver's arrival at Starling City and his first adventure as The Arrow. Everything else is told through flashbacks and narration. The episode is jam-packed with plots, sub-plots, backstories, character introductions, and the beginning of several arcs that'll playout throughout the season. Credit has to be given to director David Nutter for successfully balancing all of this. The pilot never feels rushed or overwhelming. Everything flows perfectly and keeps you glued to your seat.

Fans of superheroes will definitely be delighted. Unlike Smallville, the show doesn't shy away from its comic book roots. It also has A LOT of action and fight sequences. Which is another element Smallville lacked. I guess what I'm trying to say is that Arrow is the anti-Smallville. And I know comparisons to Smallville may seem a bit harsh since the shows are polar opposites but it is difficult not to compare. Arrow is shot on the exact same location as Smallville. They even use Lex Luthor's mansion as the home of the Queen family. You can't watch this show and NOT think Smallville. But anyway, I hope you guys watch and enjoy the series. And if we're lucky, Tornado might swing by and post a few of his thoughts.

**** / ****

[MovieBuff801]

Yeah, I kept thinking of Batman Begins all throughout the pilot, but I didn't care because I loved the whole thing.

[Neverending]

I knew you would like it. Hopefully, MasterChief likes it too.

[FranklinTard]

my one buddy was raving about the pilot.

[Henri Ducard]

4 million viewers watched the premiere of Arrow. For CW standards, that is amazing.

[sshuttari]

WowZa! This show is way too good to be on CW

Way to go! Congrats to them

[sshuttari]

I just found out the Director of the episode- David Nutter only did the Pilot. Hopefully the quality of the show doesn't diminish with other directors.

Nonetheless I'm still pretty pumped to see what happens next

[MasterChief117]

I was out and about last night, around 8:30 and realized Arrow was on...and I never recorded it. Sweet. I might try and watch it before the VP debate tonight. IGN only gave the pilot a 7.2, but I'll keep my thoughts open. I am pumped to watch it.

[Neverending]

ARROW HITS THE BULLSEYE FOR THE CW

ARROW Gives The CW Its Most Watched Telecast in Three Years

ARROW Most Watched CW Premiere Since THE VAMPIRE DIARIES

SUPERNATURAL Has Most Watched Episode in Two Years

The CW Has Best Wednesday Night in Two Years



October 11, 2012 (Burbank, CA) – Last night’s premiere of ARROW was right on target for The CW – it drew 4.02 million viewers, the most watched telecast on the network of any show, on any night, in three years (11/12/2009), according to preliminary Live Plus Same Day Nielsen ratings for Wednesday, October 10, 2012.

ARROW was The CW’s most watched premiere since THE VAMPIRE DIARIES (9/10/2009). ARROW was also the most watched show in the Wednesday 8PM time period in more than three years (5/13/2009)

The ARROW premiere also gave SUPERNATURAL a boost last night; it was SUPERNATURAL's most watched episode (2.6M) since 10/15/10, and it had its best adults 18-34 rating (1.0/3) since 3/4/11.

Week to week, SUPERNATURAL was up 40% in total viewers, and up two-tenths in both adults 18-34 and adults 18-49 (1.0/3).

Last night was The CW's best Wednesday night in total viewers (3.3M) in more than two years (5/12/10) and in two years in adults 18-34 (1.0/3, 12/1/10) and in adults 18-49 (1.2/3, 10/13/10)

ARROW tied NBC's original comedies in the 8-9PM hour in total viewers (4M) and in adults 18-34 and adults 18-49.

ARROW held or built at the half hour in total viewers and in all key demos.

Compared to Wednesday of the same week last year, last night was up 121% in total viewers (3.3M), up 67% in adults 18-34 (1.0/3) and up 100% in adults 18-49 (1.2/3).

[Justin]

Question: is this really for Smallville fans only? I have never seen so much as an episode of that show, so I'm curious as to if I'll be lost.

[MasterChief117]

No, this has ABSOLUTELY nothing to do with Smallville beyond the fact it is a DC character and the same character was used in Smallville. Story line is completely different, different actor, different 'universe', different everything. It would be like saying you had to watch Batman '89 to like/comprehend/understand Batman Begins. It is completely fresh. Feel free to enjoy, Justin. :)

[Neverending]

This isn't a spin-off, Justin.

[Tolkien]

I DVR'd it, so when I have time I'll give it a try. I'm just very sketchy this season with anything new. I'm sticking to my usual shows and that's it. But if it looks interesting enough, I'll give it a try.

So far, I've seen the pilot episodes to;

The Mob Doctor = Interesting story with a terrible execution.

Revolution = Again, interesting story with a terrible execution.

Nashville = Couldn't get past the first twenty minutes of it.

Chicago Fire = Gave up watching after just ten minutes.

Last Resort = Interesting story. Good cast. So-so execution.

[MasterChief117]

Quite a few shows out, mainly comedies that I enjoy. Pretty simple straight forward stuff but they're pretty damn enjoyable. Nothing great by any means.

[Neverending]

Revolution is a lot better than Tolkien gives it credit. And with the ratings it's getting, it won't be going away anytime soon.

[MovieBuff801]

Yeah, Revolution is very good.

[Neverending]

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[Tolkien]

People only leave her because she's such an annoying nag. A post-apocalyptic world, BUT DON'T KILL ANYONE, PLEASE!!!

[Mikey-Bizzle]

Arrow was by far the best new series so far this year imo. Revolution was such a disappointment

[Neverending]

A post-apocalyptic world, BUT DON'T KILL ANYONE, PLEASE!!!

She has killed, Tolkien. Maybe if you had kept up with the series, you'd know that. Also, this isn't a post-apocalyptic world. The show has already covered that topic. The Monroe Militia restored order but they are considered vicious and corrupt, so there is an underground movement to restore the United States. Just because there is no electricity doesn't mean these people are living in a Wasteland. At first, yes, because we depend on it. But after 15 years, people got their s--t together. The world has not always had electricity, Tolkien. And humans in civilized socities survived without it. People who criticize the show - clearly - don't understand it.

[FranklinTard]

computer hacking arrows? the whole superman thing at the party, saves the day, goes into the bathroom washes his face and comes back to the party asking 'what happened?'

you guys are over rating this. or just have low expectations due to the cw being involved.

[Neverending]

computer hacking arrows? the whole superman thing at the party, saves the day, goes into the bathroom washes his face and comes back to the party asking 'what happened?'

It's a superhero show, Franklin. It comes with the territory.

[sshuttari]

Can't believe I'm about to say this but I agree with everything Neverending just said about Arrow and Revolution

[Neverending]

Can't believe I'm about to say this but I agree with everything Neverending just said about Arrow and Revolution

http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mbsfajgqDy1qz581wo1_500.gif

[MasterChief117]

Can't believe I'm about to say this but I agree with everything Neverending just said about Arrow and Revolution

http://assets0.ordienetworks.com/images/GifGuide/michael_scott/Michael-What-the-office-10400786-400-226.gif



That must've hurt you from your core. hahaha.

[sshuttari]

Tell me about it...

[MasterChief117]

Okay, finally got to watch this last night. Here is my little review, full with thoughts, pros, cons, whatever.




Green Arrow was my absolute favorite part of Smallville in the latter seasons. Tornado might jump on me, some other fans might jump on me for saying this but I thought the Superman lore meandered too much. Green Arrow was the closest I ever got to seeing Batman on the big screen. So I took it for what it was. Then I heard the new show was coming out and I was very reluctant. Never before seen actor, a bunch of random people and everyone saying "Green Arrow meets Batman Begins." Reviews came, people said what they wanted and the fact that 11 DC characters will be on this show pushed me to finally see it.


I liked this pilot. I didn't love it. I felt like there was not enough to like. The acting was okay, better than 98% of Smallville episodes. The pacing was pretty solid and I felt like the fact they slowly gave away the events of the island was pretty interesting and definitely new, instead of throwing it all out right off the bat. I love the route of Oliver pulling the 'Bruce Wayne' route, the hardcore playboy status but I felt like they should've spent more time with him being 'wounded'. Which, you could say would be his Green Arrow persona. Fine. I won't pick on that.


The absolute most impressive part, to me, was the direction and the choreography in the action was absolutely awesome, especially for TV. The fight sequence, albeit brief fight sequence in the warehouse was absolutely kick ass. Just watching Ollie bounce from building to building, dodging things was so kick ass. The final action sequence was pretty awesome too.


I would've liked to see more done with the Green Arrow uniform, and I felt it to be particularly lacking. I was hoping for a more Batman Begins/Batsuit feel, more armor than drab but that's fine. I definitely have high hopes for this show. It did a solid job of making it feel 'bigger' than a tv show, and never falling into extremely goofy/cliched/gimmicky acting/action/plotlines that I felt Smallville frequently did. It felt well made. I'm pumped to see more.


Also, the guy that plays Green Arrow has an impressive build and his acting is pretty solid too.



I'll give it a B.

[Neverending]

Green Arrow was my absolute favorite part of Smallville in the latter seasons. Tornado might jump on me, some other fans might jump on me for saying this

Green Arrow was amazing in season 6. He stole the spotline and I think the producers realized it. That's why they ruined him in seasons 8 through 10. I think the Green Arrow hatred comes from those three seasons. But no one can argue against season 6. Dude was badass.

[MasterChief117]

Agreed. I definitely like what they did with him here. The parkour, the ability to fight and his brutality. I love it.

[Tolkien]

Okay... I'm intrigued now. The pilot was pretty impressive. I'll stick with it to see where it goes.

[Neverending]

This season on Arrow:


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[MasterChief117]

This season on Arrow:


Qu9QZkL-MS4


"YOU. HAVE. FAILED. THIS. CITY!"


Sorry, just taking a moment to orgasm.


That was so bad ass. Some great looking **** there. Definitely improves the scope. It looks HUGE. Fight sequences look brilliant for TV and DEATHSTROKE. WOW HE LOOKS GOOD!

[Neverending]

When the pilot aired, some people complained about Green Arrow's skills. They asked how he learned all that. But that video makes it clear that they'll continue re-visiting the island story. There's more info about his origins. This show is truly the anti-Smallville. Smallville didn't even introduce Krypton and Jor-El till season 2. This show is covering a lot of ground while also establishing Green Arrow as a fully fleshed hero.

[Mikey-Bizzle]

[QUOTE=FranklinTard;2830527]computer hacking arrows?

That bit was so stupid! They could of dont it so much better! A ****in USB arrow come on!!

[Neverending]

Is this really a deal breaker for you guys?

[Mikey-Bizzle]

Nope I loved it it was just that part I didn't like but I can deal with that

[Tolkien]

It was out there, but Hawkeye already did the same thing in The Avengers, so I guess it's only fair, lol.

[Henri Ducard]

Good point, Tolkien.

[Mikey-Bizzle]

Yeh that is a point! I forgot about that

[flottanna]

I am a huge DC comics fan and I can tell you that the pilot was pretty damn fatefully to the comics. And he does have computer hacking arrows. The only thing th episode was missing was to discuss where he got all the tech from. In the comics he has a group of three people that help him.

[MasterChief117]

Still not a fan of the Green Arrow suit. Hopefully it will change in a season or so.




Also, Ollie's bodyguard looks SO familiar and I can't remember from what. I re-watched the season trailer and he gets some gunplay action it looks like.

[Ramplate]

Just watched it - not bad

[New GL of sector 2814]

Still not a fan of the Green Arrow suit. Hopefully it will change in a season or so.




Also, Ollie's bodyguard looks SO familiar and I can't remember from what. I re-watched the season trailer and he gets some gunplay action it looks like.

Dude's name is David Ramsey and he's been in everything from The West Wing to Charmed to Dexter and alot more.

[MasterChief117]

Dude's name is David Ramsey and he's been in everything from The West Wing to Charmed to Dexter and alot more.

That's where. Thanks. It was driving me nuts.

[Neverending]

http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mc3k15y3Jr1qgq00c.jpg


EPISODE 1.02 - HONOR THY FATHER


The pilot had a lot to accomplish in 40 minutes. It needed to set-up the show's premise, establish Green Arrow as a superhero, and introduce all the characters. So, it would have been nice for the 2nd episode to slow down a bit and give everything some breathing room. Instead, it's on autopilot. Oliver has to reject an offer to be part of his father's company, come to terms with his new public persona and how it's hurting the people around him, and battle the Chinese Triads and it's assassin China White (Kelly Hu). And all that is just the Oliver side of the story. I haven't even covered the sub-plots and the continuing flashbacks to the Island. I know this show is supposed to be the Anti-Smallville and part of that means not dragging storylines to the point of annoyance. But let's not take things to the extreme either. A slower and simpler episode would have been more effective. But to give the show some credit, the entertainment value is still pretty high. The action and fight scenes continue to be top-notch. And I hope we get to see more of Kelly Hu. China White and Arrow are definitely due for a rematch.


*** / ****

[MasterChief117]

Episode 2: 'Honor Thy Father'


I really liked the first episode of 'Arrow' but perhaps did not love it. I felt like it cut some corners, acting was kind of shoddy, the suit was meh and it generally felt cheesy to me. All this being said I was brought back to the second episode because of all superhero shows brought on television, this feels perhaps the most 'ambitious', well designed and very rarely does it ever feel tight and set base, which Smallville in it's final few seasons definitely felt like.


The second episode put the Arrow spin on 'Mobster of the Week'. Nothing new here, however watching Oliver interact and generally trying to find a niche in society was probably one of my favorite parts. The fight sequences in this show are top notch, and perhaps some of the best I have seen on television. I am really starting to become a fan of the interaction between Oliver and his bodyguard. I love how his bodyguard said in paraphrase, "You don't have to treat me like I'm stupid." It felt very Lucius Fox/Batman Begins related. This episode largely had that Batman Begins feel, much like the first episode.


Kelly Hu's character was personally weak and undeveloped but I imagine that will not be the last time we see her. I cannot wait to see Deathstroke in action, and personally, my most anticipated episode of television to come. Generally, I liked this episode and it did it's job, to ultimately entertain me. Job well done.




B



1.01 Pilot: B
1.02 Honor Thy Father: B

[Neverending]

It felt very Lucius Fox/Batman Begins related.

As soon as I saw Applied Sciences I thought he was gonna get the job.

[The Kid]

CW expanded Arrow to a full season today.

[Ayemef]

and it deserves such

really enjoying the show thus far

[MasterChief117]

1.03 Lone Gunmen



So far, of all the new shows released this fall I think this one has the most potential for both greatness and entertainment. Three episodes in and it has yet to really grab a hold of that. At this moment, Oliver is really the only interesting character in this world. The attempts to make his Sister, Mother and Best Friend more dynamic have been ineffective in my opinion. His Best Friend, which I take to be the comedic relief has failed to be such. He never really has a lot of jokes or screen time to really be anything 'good'. The love triangle is pretty decent but it has yet to really develop anymore.


The best part of the show for me is when Oliver because Green Arrow. It is action packed, fun to watch and hella entertaining. I was very glad when they had his bodyguard find out his identity. Something I'm sure he was aware of before. I think this in the future will help expand the show further. I really enjoy the action, although I do think this episode was a little weaker in the action department than last episode. Deadshot could've been used better but was still a pretty good character. I liked this episode but it certainly could've been stronger.


B-




1.01 Pilot: B
1.02 Honor Thy Father: B-
1.03 Lone Gunmen: B-

[Alien]

I've only watched the pilot. It bugs me that Oliver lives in the Luthor Mantion from Smallville. As if Arrow wasn't Smallville 2.0 before this. Star City (or what ever name they are using) also look too much like Metropolis from Smallville too.

I might try and catch up in November but we'll see.

[Tolkien]

Are they filming this in Canada as well? If so, it explains why Starling City looks like Metropolis.

[Road Warrior]

Green Arrow's new voice is great. They should have given that voice to Christian Bale.

[MasterChief117]

Best episode of the season for Arrow. Love how they did Deathstroke.

[Mikey-Bizzle]

Yeh think it was my favorite episode so far

[Neverending]

I got a little behind but I'm caught up again.


1.03 LONE GUNMEN
The pacing is a major improvement from the previous episode. Deadshot is cool. And I like that Oliver realizes he can't work alone and seeks help. Overall, a pretty neat episode.

***/****

1.04 AN INNOCENT MAN
Oliver killing is something that has always impressed me about this show. Not because I think killing is cool, but because it's a nice change of pace from the usual. Plus, sometimes I think the no-killing rule can be a little silly under certain circumstances. If Batman had killed The Joker the first chance he got, he probably would have saved himself a lot of headaches. But anyway, the producers seem to be aware that making Green Arrow a killer would raise a few eyebrows, so they do their best to explain it. They even have other characters on the show wrestle with the idea. They also bring up the debate of vigilantes and whether or not they're a good thing. Obviously, none of the results are complex or deep or whatever but it's pretty good for a CW show.

***.5/****

1.05 DAMAGED
All throughout the season we've been getting quick flashbacks to the Island. But here's the first episode where it seems to play a big role. The main plot is Oliver getting himself arrested and accused of being Green Arrow. Then sending his bodyguard to do a job as the Arrow and hope that no one will ever put Oliver Queen and Green Arrow together ever again. It's a neat idea, but the `60s Batman show, starring Adam West, used to do similar stuff from time-to-time, so this isn't groundbreaking stuff. The meat of the episode is the flashbacks where Oliver encounters Deathstroke for the first time.

***/****


RANK:
1. Pilot
2. An Innocent Man
3. Lone Gunmen
4. Damaged
5. Honor Thy Father

[tubehead]

i been watching ithink ti more aciton packed then smallviille. also is any one watching the new beauty and the beast series? i know Kristin Kreuk plays the lead role. i was wondering if any smallville fans tuned in?

[Neverending]

1.06 LEGACIES
Oliver takes a break from white collar criminals to stop a family that resorted to robbing banks after Oliver's father had fired the breadwinner years earlier. Overall, it's a great change of pace and opens the door for more of these types of episodes once the series has been on the air for a while and is in need of fresh ideas.

***/****

1.07 MUSE OF FIRE
In this Geoff Johns penned episode, Oliver finds a kindered spirit. He becomes attracted to the daughter of a mob boss, who like Oliver, is trying to fix all the damage done by her family. It's a solid episode. I loved it.

**** / ****


RANK:
1. Pilot
2. Muse of Fire
3. An Innocent Man
4. Lone Gunmen
5. Damaged
6. Legacies
7. Honor Thy Father

[MasterChief117]

Muse of Fire was okay. An episode where they finally ditched the unnecessary narration. I enjoyed it. Action was inconsistent for the first time this year.

[Neverending]

An episode where they finally ditched the unnecessary narration.

There was also no flashback to the Island. I bet by next season this is what most episodes will look like.

[MasterChief117]

I hope so. The Arrow creator says that he is hoping that Batman might make an appearance.

[Neverending]

That will never happen. Smallville tried for 10 years and it was a lost cause.

[flottanna]

So far the show is pretty good. A lot better then the current Green Arrow monthly.

[Neverending]

1.08 VENDETTA

http://24.media.tumblr.com/0cb0c25a8af83484c85519b24129a355/tumblr_met0igCiFI1r4r0ulo1_500.jpg

Once again, Arrow reminds us why it's the Anti-Smallville. In one single episode, Ollie turns his new gal pal into the muthaf---in' Huntress, gets dumped by her as she goes in a solo crusade, and then has to stop her from killing her own father. Damn! This episode is exciting, dramatic, and just..... awesome!

****/ ****


RANK:
1. Vendetta
2. Pilot
3. Muse of Fire
4. An Innocent Man
5. Lone Gunmen
6. Damaged
7. Legacies
8. Honor Thy Father

[MasterChief117]

I'm two episodes behind now. ****.

[MovieBuff801]

I'm three behind.

[Tolkien]

I'm always upto date. :)

[Ramplate]

I haven't watched since the first

[Hoilett]

I am completely behind. haven't seen a single episode of Arrow or Beauty and The Beast...man it looks like I am missing out. I need to slow down, step away from the drawing table and breathe a little air of reality around me.

[bbf2]

Just watched the first two episodes.

My thoughts so far:

I generally am really liking it. I think the action and choreography are quite good. My biggest concern based on the first two episodes is that it seems like it might be turning into a "evil millionaire of the week" plotline thing. Both of the first two evil millionaires were basically the exact same person and had the exact same (one dimensional) personality and role. I'd like to see a little more uniqueness from those two guys. Like, maybe someone who hurts the city by using unethical (but legal) business practices and doesn't murder people so we can see a bit of grey.

Some thoughts on the characters:

Oliver: I like him so far. Despite my "evil millionaire of the week" complaint I like the fact that they're using his personality characteristic of "social justice" and he's not just taking out average criminals (which is why I hope they introduce businessmen who are evil and unethical without necessarily also being murderers or criminals). I'm very, very interested in seeing what happened on the island, and who that first Green Arrow guy on the island was. In any case I realized I really liked the character because whenever someone judges or chastises him I kind of roll my eyes and take his side, especially since he has just been through five years of hell on a deserted island and no one really seems to cut him any slack despite that. The only thing I don't like about him is how much of a jerk he is to his new stepdad.

Laurel: Not really feeling her so far. I mean I know she's pissed that he cheated on her with her sister, but it's not fair to blame him for her death (he obviously had nothing to do with that). And if they were close beforehand she should probably have at least some degree of sympathy for all that he's been through. Don't see her so far as a potential Black Canary, but we do have plenty of time left.

Tommy: I really liked him for most of the pilot. He seemed to be the only person that cut Oliver some slack (you know, considering he was lost on an island for five years and almost certainly watched his father die in front of him) and actually seemed to sympathize with him. He's also pretty funny. I didn't like the reveal that he's been dating Laurel because I was hoping Oliver would have at least one person who is truly on his side. That being said, he had every reason to start dating her so I can't really judge, and he redeemed himself a lot in episode 2 when he said the reason he wasn't revealing it to Oliver wasn't because of some sense of shame but because he wanted to protect Oliver and not hurt him since Oliver has "been through a lot." Thank you! Why is he the only character who acknowledges that Oliver has been through a harrowing experience and is sensitive and caring about it instead of immediately being judgmental about it and guilt tripping Oliver over everything?

Thea: She is kind of annoying. At least Laurel has the whole "cheating on her, sort of involved with sister's death" thing. I really don't see any reason why Thea should be pissed at him. OK, so he threw away some of her drugs, but that should probably be a minor point compared to the fact that your brother came back from the dead, especially as it seems they used to be close. I hated in the pilot where she almost seemed accusatory at saying "No, you DIED" as if it was his fault. The scene in the second episode where she shows him his gravestone and says "I felt closer to you when you were dead" was absolutely cruel. I know she wants him to "open up" about what happened on the island, but come on, he JUST got back, can't you give him some time? It would be one thing if the show was saying that she's wrong because she's so immature, but it seems from the tone of these scenes that the writers agree with her. That being said, I like the fact that they gave him a (non-evil) family member so he isn't some loner with no family left to his own devices. It gives a good dynamic to the show and helps differentiate him from Batman. And I do hope she matures and eventually becomes his sidekick, because I think that would be a cool dynamic.

Diggle: Best character. I love how he doesn't tolerate BS and kicks ass. He was totally awesome in taking down the triad members in the second episode. It seems like he has pretty much figured out that Oliver is Green Arrow, so hopefully he becomes the Arrow's confidant and accomplice.

Walter: He also seems pretty cool. I can understand why Oliver (given that he was obviously very close to his father) is somewhat resentful of a new stepdad, but I'm not really sure why he keeps throwing the fact that Walter used to be his father's CFO in his face. It's not like being the CFO to a guy who runs a company is automatically some sort of close personal relationship. If he was Robert's best friend that would be one thing and I can see why that would be seen as some sort of betrayal but that doesn't really seem to be the case.

Moira: Another great character. I love the fact that they kept Oliver's mother alive so that he could have some sort of family, like I said with Thea it adds an interesting dynamic and helps differentiate him from Batman. But what I really love is the fact that it's revealed that she was behind his kidnapping in the pilot, and then in episode 2 that she also had a hand in the ship being sabotaged (and thus revealing that for some reason she wanted/needed her husband dead so badly that she didn't mind killing her own son in the process as well. Now that's a great evil villain). That has so much fascinating potential. Along with learning about what happened on the island, that's the storyline I'm most excited about. I definitely don't remember any superhero story where the character's own mother was a "big bad" and am excited for the potential.

Quentin: Unlike several other characters I actually don't blame him at all for judging Oliver so much, considering he cheated on Quentin's daughter and I can see a father why he wouldn't be rational about his daughter's death and would blame anyone involved. I was slightly disappointed in episode 2 when the Green Arrow helped him out by putting Millionaire #2 in jail for him by getting the confession, and then instead of being grateful he said Arrow must be stopped blah blah blah. I can understand if he was less than appreciative if it was just some criminal that didn't have a personal connection, but Millionaire #2 was trying to kill Quentin's own daughter! And the cops previously had no way of stopping him! You would think that appreciation over saving his daughter's life would outweigh his moral judgment about "vigilantism." I mean it would be one thing if Arrow killed him, but all he did was get a confession out of him so the justice system could sentence him properly. Also, I think it would have been way more interesting if Quentin hated Oliver Queen but supported the Green Arrow, that could have been a very interesting dichotomy. Although I guess that would sort of make him a cross between Flash Thompson and James Gordon. That being said, I really like the actor and think he's killed it in his scenes so far, especially his scene with Millionaire #2 in the second episode.

In any case despite my complaints about certain characters (which I'm not going to take to heart too much until I see more) I'm really liking this so far. Definitely more than enough to keep me interested.

[tubehead]

if you have comcast arrow is On Demand

[Neverending]

The show got renewed for a 2nd season.

[Tolkien]

Good. I was waiting to hear it's fate. I really like this show and want it to grow and progress.

[Neverending]

I was waiting to hear it's fate.

Next to Revolution it's the most successful new show of the season. Getting renewed was a given.

[MovieBuff801]

Thought last night's episode was REALLY good. Definitely one of my favorites so far this season.

[bbf2]

I have to say I'm kind of dreading the fact that we are now going to be spending a decent amount of screentime on a romance between teenagers. I know it's the CW but so far the show has mostly focused on superhero stuff and non-romantic drama and felt very un-CW like. And to have it be "rich girl falls in love with misunderstood lower class badboy" is just...ugh. I didn't even really mind the Tommy/Laurel romantic stuff (even though that plotline is ultimately kind of pointless) because I thought the writers did a good job having them both act like reasonable adults. But a teen angst romance storyline, especially one with such a cliche spin, is something I'm not looking forward to at all. It would have been so much more interesting for Oliver to be the one to meet Roy first and try to mentor him or something.

Also, based on what we've seen so far I really can't think of any way the writers could possibly come around to having him and Oliver becoming friends, much less teammates. If my little sister started dating some lowlife petty criminal that acted like a douchebag and who she first met because he stole something from her, there is absolutely zero way I would ever become friends with that person no matter how compelling his sob story is.

Although I guess I am sort of glad they're giving her someone her own age to date. After episode 6 I thought they were trying to set up the possibility of her ending up with Tommy, which I found totally wrong and disturbing.

[Neverending]

I'm like 5 or 6 episodes behind, so I haven't encountered any of this teen angst stuff. Although I'm so used to it because of Smallville that I probably won't even blink when I finally do see it.

[bbf2]

I'm like 5 or 6 episodes behind, so I haven't encountered any of this teen angst stuff. Although I'm so used to it because of Smallville that I probably won't even blink when I finally do see it.

In all fairness, there actually hasn't been much teen angst yet, I'm just dreading the potential possibility of it. And what we've been shown so far is not even in the same realm of terribleness as "Lana and Clark are in the barn and the writers treat her as a perfect human and she chews Clark out for stupid and petty reasons."

[Alien]

I'm really getting annoyed with Thea "Speedy" Queen. Her top lip seems to be paralised giving her a lisp. That alone shouldn't bother me since I have a lisp and I should be, "Represent gril!" but I'm really not.

She also has a mole on her lip that just makes me notice that he doesn't seem to move it at all. I do like that Moira Queen has the same mole but I'd rather neither had it.

But mainly, why did they call her Speedy if they have introduced Roy Harper in season 1? I guess if they ever manage to get Roy as his side kick, which could be cool, he'll jump right to Red Arrow. Or he could use the name Arsenal, but that is a stupid superhero name, as Young Justice pointed out a few weeks ago.

[bbf2]

I absolutely loved this plot – it’s actually better for pretty much everyone if the hero fails at his goal and the “villains” win, because of information the hero doesn't have that the audience does.

Ridiculous that they used the old cliché of “the Spanish speaker speaks entirely in English except he uses ‘Gracias’ instead of thank you to let you know where he comes from.”

Laurel making a reference to her father buying a canary was pretty cheesy.

The dialogue between Oliver and Tommy at the restaurant was great, they’re doing a great job giving the characters dialogue that actually seems like it would occur between mature adults. That being said I’m not sure why Oliver took someone who didn’t know his secret out to dinner with him while he was inspecting the Mafia front restaurant instead of taking Diggle or dining alone, however. Seems like they should have split those scenes up – Oliver eats with Tommy somewhere else and then crashes the Chinese restaurant later. And the fact he didn’t wear a mask and the henchman thought he must be a Chinese man because of the lack of accent is ridiculous. He was two inches in front of your face! Even in the darkness he should have seen that the guy was white. All of this could have been solved if Oliver just brought some sort of mask.

I’ve mostly thought Tommy seemed kind of pointless so far but he was great in this episode. The scenes with him and Oliver and him and his father (even though they look like they’re the same age) were great. Was definitely not expecting him to discover Oliver’s identity this early.

I’ve never seen her in anything else, but great casting on Laurel’s mom. The resemblance between her and Katie Cassidy is striking. She looked like a spitting image of what Katie Cassidy might look like in 25 years or so.

[MovieBuff801]

I’ve never seen her in anything else, but great casting on Laurel’s mom. The resemblance between her and Katie Cassidy is striking. She looked like a spitting image of what Katie Cassidy might look like in 25 years or so.

That was exactly my first thought when that actress came on-screen.

[Tolkien]

Finally got to see Wednesday's episode and I must say; it was fantastic! I loved it! The story is progressing better than I had ever thought it would and only in the first season too. I just hope that they're able to keep this edge when going into the second season. This show has already become one of my favorite new shows of the 2012/2013 fall season and I can't wait to see what happens next.

[Neverending]

You guys motivated me to catch up. I'm still a few episodes behind but I'm stopping by to say that it's super cool to see Crixus on the show. I know I'm the only one - here - that watches Spartacus on Starz but that dude is a badass. And to know he's the one who trains Arrow is awesome. I thought it was gonna be the Asian dude. There's lots of twists and turns going on.

[Neverending]

Finally caught up!

RANK:
1. The Odyssey
2. Betrayal
3. Dead to Rights
4. Vendetta
5. Pilot
6. Year's End
7. Muse of Fire
8. An Innocent Man
9. Lone Gunmen
10. Trust but Verify
11. Damaged
12. Legacies
13. Dodger
14. Vertigo
15. Burned
16. Honor Thy Father

Laurel making a reference to her father buying a canary was pretty cheesy.

That is till Sarah is revealed as The Black Canary.

He was two inches in front of your face!

He sprayed acid on his eyes.

[MovieBuff801]

RANK:
1. The Odyssey

Agreed. That episode was fantastic.

[flottanna]

Finally got my Hulu back and caught up. on the last 2 episodes. They were both great but the most recent might have been the best yet.

[Tolkien]

You guys motivated me to catch up. I'm still a few episodes behind but I'm stopping by to say that it's super cool to see Crixus on the show. I know I'm the only one - here - that watches Spartacus on Starz but that dude is a badass. And to know he's the one who trains Arrow is awesome. I thought it was gonna be the Asian dude. There's lots of twists and turns going on.
Who said you were the only one who watches Spartacus? I've seen every episode to date, and currently wishes that Naevia Would die a horrible death and wonders why the hell is Caesar's hair blonde, lol. You know that Starz is making a Spinoff to Spartacus staring Caesar, right?

[bbf2]

He sprayed acid on his eyes.

I totally missed that. I must have sneezed when that happened or something.

[MasterChief117]

I caught up to The Odyssey. This show is extremely awesome. It is miles beyond what I thought it would be in the first season, with pretty damn good production values. The action scenes are amazing, and the story/dialogue can be pretty cheesy, and then sometimes really well written. I'm a big fan of this show, and hope to God they can fit a Bruce Wayne mention it in the future (Show writers want it to happen).

[flyersfan92]

every episode is better then the last cw's arrow is the best show on tv and i love how the producers of the show were influenced by chris nolan's batman by making arrow stand alone in his own universe .

[Neverending]

every episode is better then the last

It peaked with The Odyssey.


NEW RANK:
1. The Odyssey
2. Betrayal
3. Dead to Rights
4. Vendetta
5. Pilot
6. Year's End
7. Muse of Fire
8. An Innocent Man
9. Salvation
10. Home Invasion
11. The Huntress Returns
12. Lone Gunmen
13. Trust but Verify
14. Damaged
15. Legacies
16. Dodger
17. Vertigo
18. Burned
19. Honor Thy Father

*I think I missed Unfinished Business.

[Tornado]

I'm debating if I want to get into the show now or if I want to just blind buy the first season on Blu-ray in September.

[Neverending]

This thread hasn't been the same without you.

[sshuttari]

I'm debating if I want to get into the show now or if I want to just blind buy the first season on Blu-ray in September.

Dude this show is amazing. I'm sorry but it's true.

[MasterChief117]

This show is pretty great. I really liked this week's episode. It was definitely solid. It was hard to get through the first 6 episodes but it is definitely getting places. Really enjoy it.

[Road Warrior]

The villain on this week's episode was very cool. Although I hope season 2 has a central bad guy. The show could sure use one.

[bbf2]

I'm debating if I want to get into the show now or if I want to just blind buy the first season on Blu-ray in September.

Get into it now. Go to tvlinks, watch all of it for free.

The villain on this week's episode was very cool. Although I hope season 2 has a central bad guy. The show could sure use one.

Could use one? I thought it was pretty clear that we already have one for this season (Malcolm). Even though he and Oliver have only fought once, he's been driving the recurring central evil plot.

I'm just hoping the central bad guy for next season isn't Tommy (after his evil father dies probably at Oliver's hand yadda yadda) like a bunch of people seem to think, that would be such a cliche at this point. Way too similar to Smallville's Lex and Raimi's Harry. Plus the guy doesn't seem to be particularly competent at anything so I don't see how he could possibly be a threat.

[Neverending]

Malcolm hasn't had a presence on the show like Lionel and Lex Luthor had on Smallville. He might be the main villain but he's largely in the background.

[Tornado]

This thread hasn't been the same without you.

Haha, that's nice of you to say... I think.

Maybe I'll try and watch the pilot in the next few days and chime in.

[sshuttari]

Just a warning the show really picks up after a few episodes. A lot is backstory and setting up characters for the first few episodes.

It can get tedious for a bit

[Tolkien]

I have to say, this is one of those shows that has only gotten better with each episode.

The show is amazing and I can't wait to see what's done for season 2.

[Neverending]

I want more island stuff. At first, I felt it was a distraction but it has slowly evolved into the more fascinating aspect of the series.

[MasterChief117]

The island stuff is what saved the show for me in the beginning. It was pretty hard to watch the first 4-6 episodes where it just feels so 'lost' and then boom, it picks up. I am hoping for some changes in the second season, but so far, everything is pretty damn sweet. I am pumped to see Ted Kord in the show within the next few episodes.

[Neverending]

What season two needs is more Slade Wilson.


http://24.media.tumblr.com/3d55eef1fc74d610384715d61edec819/tumblr_mlija4SZiU1ri1ynko1_500.jpg

[MovieBuff801]

Well, you'll be pleased to know that he's been bumped up to a series regular for next season.

[Neverending]

Awesome!