Pirates of the Caribbean: On Stranger Tides (2011) [Archive]

Tolkien

06-23-2010, 03:29 AM

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Director: Rob Marshall

Writers: Ted Elliott, Terry Rossio

Plot: Jack Sparrow crosses paths with a woman from his past, but he's not sure if it's love or if she wants to follow him so she can find the lost Fountain of Youth. Things seem clearer when she forces him aboard The Queen Anne's Revenge, the ship of the infamous Blackbeard. Here, Jack finds himself on a brand new journey -- and unsure as to who he should fear more, the woman from his past of the cutthroat pirate. (taken from imdb.com (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1298650/plotsummary))

Release Date: May 20th, 2010

Staring: Johnny Depp, Penélope Cruz, Ian McShane, Geoffrey Rush, Jami Gertz, Gemma Ward, Astrid Berges-Frisbey, Óscar Jaenada, Stephen Graham, Greg Ellis, Sam Claflin, Kevin McNally

The Official Wiki
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pirates_of_the_Caribbean_(film_series)

Internet Movie Database
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1298650/

Pirates of the Caribbean: On Stranger Tides begins production

Walt Disney Studios announced today that production is starting on PIRATES OF THE CARIBBEAN: ON STRANGER TIDES.

The fourth film in the franchise is being directed by Rob Marshall (CHICAGO, NINE). Veteran PIRATES OF THE CARIBBEAN writers Ted Elliott & Terry Rossio penned the script. Johnny Depp returns to his role as Captain Jack Sparrow along with a cast of regulars and newbies: Penelope Cruz, Ian McShane, Astrid Berges-Frisbey, Sam Claflin, Geoffrey Rush, and Kevin R. McNally.

Now, here's the plot for you:

In this action-packed tale of truth, betrayal, youth and demise, Captain Jack Sparrow crosses paths with a woman from his past (Penelope Cruz), and he’s not sure if it’s love—or if she’s a ruthless con artist who’s using him to find the fabled Fountain of Youth. When she forces him aboard the Queen Anne’s Revenge, the ship of the formidable pirate Blackbeard (Ian McShane), Jack finds himself on an unexpected adventure in which he doesn’t know who to fear more: Blackbeard or the woman from his past.

Rush reprises his role as the vengeful Captain Hector Barbossa, and Kevin R. McNally returns as Captain Jack’s longtime comrade Joshamee Gibbs. Claflin stars as a stalwart missionary, while Berges-Frisbey is transformed into a mysterious mermaid.

The film is slated to open May 20, 2011.

Okay so I'm going to give this one another try and if it fails, screw it, we'll just discuss the movie when we review it, lol. Anyways, with Comic Con 2010 coming up shortly, I'm kinda hoping that we'll get to learn a little more about the production and direction they're taking this in. Of course it's too early to show any footage seeing as how they've just now started production, but some news would be nice.

southern

06-23-2010, 10:45 AM

The trailer will have to be really spectacular for me to see it. Pirates 2 & 3 weren't good.

ViRUs

06-23-2010, 12:28 PM

I agree, the second was basically a crappy CGI fest, and three was better, but not nearly as good. This is a classic example of getting too carried away with a movie, and now another one is coming?

I'll wait and see, but I'm not sold yet...

DarthVader 2004

06-23-2010, 02:27 PM

I see so we had to have a Pirates haters club. At least Pirates weren't as bad as Spider-Man for they had to start from scratch. I am happy where Pirates 3 ended and think some good stories can yet be told

ViRUs

06-23-2010, 03:16 PM

Tolkien

06-23-2010, 03:32 PM

This isn't a "Pirates Haters" thread, redvader... I actually enjoyed At World's End...

For what it was, anyways.

southern

06-23-2010, 03:40 PM

I loved the first 1. Very much a classic. But 2 & 3 weren't worth anything.
I was merely saying the trailer needs to be something special, otherwise I won't be wasting my time or money.

Which it could be with Will & Elizabeth not being part of the story. I liked them a lot in P1, but it would have been better to leave them there. Or at least her.

FranklinTard

06-23-2010, 04:13 PM

someone call me when johnny depp actually starts acting again. enough of these awful characters.

kkapp11

06-23-2010, 08:01 PM

I don't think you will EVER be able to tell when Johnny is acting, I think he BECOMES these "awful characters" (Your words, NOT mine). Johnny loves being Jack Sparrow, he IS Jack Sparrow, NOT an awful character.

Justin

06-23-2010, 08:57 PM

FranklinTard

06-23-2010, 08:59 PM

says the guy with the jack sparrow avatar and jack sparrow quotes in his signature.

ViRUs

06-23-2010, 09:02 PM

True, I agree with Justin, but it is also those roles that kind of re-launched his career too. I thought he did fine in Alice, but at the same time I do see your point.

Coming Soon!

06-23-2010, 09:32 PM

Isn't there already a thread for this?

southern

06-23-2010, 10:30 PM

Isn't there already a thread for this?

It's been overrun by crazies.

MovieBuff801

06-23-2010, 10:33 PM

Depp needs to grow up and play more adult roles. Clearly he's a good actor, but instead, we're stuck with the same "silly, wacky" template over and over again. He's certainly had quite a few good, character driven films with plenty of depth -- but these films are just killing his career; e.g. Alice in Wonderland, the POTC franchise, etc.

I think at some point people will stop taking him seriously. Enough of Burton and POTC already.

Well, the first Pirates helped put Depp on the map for the majority of average moviegoers who weren't familiar with his work before. One could argue these kinds of roles are boosting his career rather than killing, because they keep making money and it's how the general public wants to see him now. Sure, people may tire of it eventually but as of right now, they still seem to like it.

And personally I think he's just as good in these mainstream roles as he is in the smaller kinds of lead roles. He gives every character he plays his all and his ability to play anything as effectively as he does reaffirms why he's one of my favorite actors.

DarthVader 2004

06-23-2010, 11:12 PM

Wait, first of all this thread was not made for "Pirates haters", it's how Southern, and I feel, along with a lot of other people.

Secondly, Spider-man didnt start from scratch because they were bad. The first two did great, and were well received by most people. A lot of people will agree that the third was horrible, but I dont really think that's why they decided to reboot. Infact, most people would rather have Sony start a fourth Spiderman, than have to rehash the same story again.

I liked the Pirates movies, it's just the last two, and probably three, should not have been made.

Then state your complaints in the first one and not make a separate thread. Now you get many die hard fans with any franchises. Most people are logical and can respects others opinions. Some fans like play by play of developments. You know its like the Potter or Lord of The Rings fans. I'll not say the sequels were perfect for I too was tired of Will and Elizabeth the soap opera but I think This can be good with new characters and there is much worse things i have seen made other then Pirates 2 and 3 guys.

Deexan

06-23-2010, 11:51 PM

I love this thread.

Also, Depp as Jack Sparrow is one of the most enjoyable performances of the last 10 years, you can tell he's having huge amounts of fun playing him and I for one hope he continues making Pirates movies until he's no longer able.

ribonzz

06-24-2010, 04:04 AM

Too bad there will be no more the handsome Bill.. (forgot the real name)

vinsanity

06-24-2010, 05:46 AM

Finally a true thread of this movie

Justin

06-24-2010, 07:32 AM

Well, the first Pirates helped put Depp on the map for the majority of average moviegoers who weren't familiar with his work before. One could argue these kinds of roles are boosting his career rather than killing, because they keep making money and it's how the general public wants to see him now. Sure, people may tire of it eventually but as of right now, they still seem to like it.

And personally I think he's just as good in these mainstream roles as he is in the smaller kinds of lead roles. He gives every character he plays his all and his ability to play anything as effectively as he does reaffirms why he's one of my favorite actors.

Those who aren't sick of it, fine, they can continue to enjoy his films, but those who are -- like myself -- are tired of the same formula. As far as the general public goes, should he really just cater to the masses because he "just should"? Depp can still choose to entertain, though in my opinion, he should choose to do more films to challenge us a little more often. To me, Depp seemed serious at one point, now he seems simply complacent -- there doesn't seem to be any desire left.

No one said that he wasn't. I believe he's a terrific actor, he's just choosing really simple roles that require no real depth. I never said I had a problem with him playing "zany characters", however, right now, it is a little tiring. Many critics alike have shared their opinions on the Burton/Depp combo which has worn out its welcome. If Depp enjoys doing these types of roles, then fine -- I never said he should quit altogether, though, just choose more challenging, better films more often.

ViRUs

06-24-2010, 10:29 AM

Then state your complaints in the first one and not make a separate thread. Now you get many die hard fans with any franchises. Most people are logical and can respects others opinions. Some fans like play by play of developments. You know its like the Potter or Lord of The Rings fans. I'll not say the sequels were perfect for I too was tired of Will and Elizabeth the soap opera but I think This can be good with new characters and there is much worse things i have seen made other then Pirates 2 and 3 guys.

I didnt make this thread..... Hell, I only really started coming into both of these threads because I heard how weird the first one was...

How can you argue with me, when you turn right around and said you too got tired of Will and Elizabeth? To me, adding new characters wont make it better. I'm not saying keep the old ones either, all I said was they never should have made the second or third. That way they wouldnt feel that they need to make a fourth to make up for the two crappy sequels.

DarthVader 2004

06-24-2010, 10:30 AM

Considering Alice In Wonderland is this years Top film Box Office wise so far anyways. It would say that the Public viewing audience would not agree with critic statement. If it were true then people would not go.
I have said this for years that Critics have lost touch with the average human movie goer audience.

If anything Pirates Of The Caribbean breathed life back to a new kind of adventure not a a comic book or a Tolkien , Rowling novels or a Lucas production. The Pirates movies also prove that many people have no since of humor and don't like to have fun sometimes.

I mean Deads Mans Chest was a blast if saw it in a theater. It was a bit goofy yes but It was a fun movie. I just don't get the hate for the sequels. Once people get use to the idea that usually originals can't really be out done. The easier people will sleep at night.

I have not seen one film that I have liked its sequel better then. Doesn't mean don't like the sequels. Just means I am an origins type person. I just learn to enjoy the characters in this type of trilogy and just go with it.

DarthVader 2004

06-24-2010, 10:34 AM

I didnt make this thread..... Hell, I only really started coming into both of these threads because I heard how weird the first one was...

How can you argue with me, when you turn right around and said you too got tired of Will and Elizabeth? To me, adding new characters wont make it better. I'm not saying keep the old ones either, all I said was they never should have made the second or third. That way they wouldnt feel that they need to make a fourth to make up for the two crappy sequels.

Some feel they were not Crappy and these films can find an audience for Depp is a lot bigger draw then people will admit. You can also like a film and not like certain parts of it at the same time dude. That is why in some reviews people have a pros and cons of a film. If one likes it then it means the Pros out shined the cons.

ViRUs

06-24-2010, 10:37 AM

Considering Alice In Wonderland is this years Top film Box Office wise so far anyways. It would say that the Public viewing audience would not agree with critic statement. If it were true then people would not go.

I'm not sure how well Alice did with the critics, but a lot of the reason it is on top because of the 3D sales that it pulled down too. Plus Alice is a pretty well known name, throw in Depp for the Depp fans, Burton for the Burton fans.... I think if it was a bad movie it would have still made it's money back.

The Pirates movies also prove that many people have no sense of humor and don't like to have fun sometimes.

I dont see how you say that at all....

I have not seen one film that I have liked its sequel better then. Doesn't mean don't like the sequels. Just means I am an origins type person. I just learn to enjoy the characters in this type of trilogy and just go with it.

You need to start seeing more movies with sequels then. There are a lot out there.

ViRUs

06-24-2010, 10:39 AM

Some feel they were not Crappy and these films can find an audience for Depp is a lot bigger draw then people will admit. You can also like a film and not like certain parts of it at the same time dude. That is why in some reviews people have a pros and cons of a film. If one likes it then it means the Pros out shined the cons.

I'm not saying that it was just a pros and cons thing though. That was my basic point for not liking the movie. They really did nothing in the second one, and the third was some long drawn out movie, though I did like the third more...

I think everyone will admit that Depp is big. He's probably one of the most popular movie stars alive actually....

Tolkien

06-24-2010, 10:55 AM

I have not seen one film that I have liked its sequel better then. Doesn't mean don't like the sequels. Just means I am an origins type person. I just learn to enjoy the characters in this type of trilogy and just go with it.
Wow, just... wow. You really need to watch more movies, mate.

The Godfather, Pt II for one. And The Empire Strike's Back too.

DarthVader 2004

06-24-2010, 11:45 AM

Well Um hate to say even in those cases where the originals better then second films and have seen them as well

DarthVader 2004

06-24-2010, 11:48 AM

I'm not sure how well Alice did with the critics, but a lot of the reason it is on top because of the 3D sales that it pulled down too. Plus Alice is a pretty well known name, throw in Depp for the Depp fans, Burton for the Burton fans.... I think if it was a bad movie it would have still made it's money back.

I dont see how you say that at all....

You need to start seeing more movies with sequels then. There are a lot out there.
I grew up in the 80s and there's not really any trilogy i have not seen by now.
I have seen many classic and modern films. But was just saying that Pirates works for me and leave it at that.

ViRUs

06-24-2010, 11:48 AM

There are still so many movies that have a better sequel. Especially in the comic book age these days.

Didnt you yourself rate Hellboy 2: The Golden Army higher than the frist Hellboy?

Justin

06-24-2010, 02:29 PM

Red Vader is an enigma.

ViRUs

06-24-2010, 03:08 PM

Lol, true. I dont even know why I bother sometimes...

Tolkien

06-24-2010, 11:33 PM

I still wanna know if english is his first language...

DarthVader 2004

06-24-2010, 11:55 PM

There are still so many movies that have a better sequel. Especially in the comic book age these days.

Didnt you yourself rate Hellboy 2: The Golden Army higher than the frist Hellboy?

Well considering I liked both pretty equally and pretty much gave the same review marks so not sure can say. And there are some cases where things like that can happen with movies. But some films I have sentimental feelings for and won't change my mind.

DarthVader 2004

06-24-2010, 11:56 PM

I still wanna know if english is his first language...

You know people been wondering that mystery since i was born. Live long and prosper dude.

Deexan

06-25-2010, 05:19 AM

Vaders first language is film! He's an internet legend in my eyes.

Tolkien

06-25-2010, 05:55 AM

And here I thought you were the legend... ;)

Ewok Droppings

06-25-2010, 10:39 AM

You know people been wondering that mystery since i was born. Live long and prosper dude.

So Vulcan is your first language?

ViRUs

06-25-2010, 11:26 AM

:lol:

Well considering I liked both pretty equally and pretty much gave the same review marks so not sure can say. And there are some cases where things like that can happen with movies. But some films I have sentimental feelings for and won't change my mind.

I'm not asking you to change your mind. I was just stating that you have ranked sequels higher than the original. I believe X2 was on that list, and X-Men wasnt on at all. There is another sequel that you liked more than the original.

DarthVader 2004

06-25-2010, 06:51 PM

Well To be honest I did like Blade 2 better then Blade 1. But then again Deltoro makes pretty good films.
X-2 Was a great film and still one of the better comic made films. But looking back on things I find i enjoy X-Men 1 more these days.

Now I will also admit i have watched Temple Of Doom and Empire more then Raiders and A New Hope but feel the originals deserve special reasons.

I am hoping at this point that The Hobbit is made and The Potter films end as they are suppose to. And Can The Avengers be made right. Pirates 4 just does not go on my worry scale. As Depp said on the Pirates 1 dvd. I have a really good feeling.

IanTheCool

06-25-2010, 08:33 PM

I'm with you Vader. Its very hard to top an original with a sequel.

I'll be honest, I didn't mind the 2nd and 3rd pirates movies. The third had a lot of stupid parts (the multiple jack sparrow thingy, giant crab woman, etc.) but I liked the mythology they set up for the most part.

Still, it seemed like a pretty complete trilogy. Don't see the need for another.

Tolkien

06-25-2010, 09:14 PM

I think they're trying to make the past trilogy the Will & Elizabeth Trilogy.

At least, that's what I got from the interviews regarding the storyline.

That would mean that if so, they're trying to make this part of a trilogy.

DarthVader 2004

06-25-2010, 10:02 PM

Sean B.

07-01-2010, 03:27 PM

This is gonna be Jack and Barbossa story since we cannot get a Prequel. This sequel will do. For I for one wanna see more Jack and Barbossa. But am glad they did leave Will and Elizabeth on Gilligans Island.

Now its not said we will never see Will or Liz again. Or There son but my feeling is there story is done. Time to have a Barbossa and Jack Conclusion. Because it be a waste to bring Back Barbossa and not give him a Pirates 1 good ending type deal.

RedVader 2004,
You have a very very good point there, Pirates 4 will be a Jack and Barbossa type of story with new characters involved. It is a good thing they left the "the William and Elizabeth story" out of the picture this time, because their story was ended in the third movie, so i also think their story is done. Now with the ending to Pirates 4, leave it to the story writters ted elliott and terry rossio getting ideas from tim powers book titled as "On Stranger Tides", with help from Johnny Depp pitching in some ideas as well, which coincidently has all already been done, because now they are filming the movie as we speak! :csgrin: .

Sean B.

07-01-2010, 06:08 PM

Isn't there already a thread for this?

Yes, there is more then one forum or thread for Pirates 4.

SnoBorderZero

07-01-2010, 06:51 PM

Depp needs to grow up and play more adult roles. Clearly he's a good actor, but instead, we're stuck with the same "silly, wacky" template over and over again. He's certainly had quite a few good, character driven films with plenty of depth -- but these films are just killing his career; e.g. Alice in Wonderland, the POTC franchise, etc.

I think at some point people will stop taking him seriously. Enough of Burton and POTC already.
I think that while he was excellent as Jack Sparrow in the ORIGINAL POTC (he was just overkill along with all the other useless components in the sequels) he does need to start stepping his game up. Depp is a great actor, I truly believe he has the range and ability to sit at the top, but he has once again fallen into bad movie limbo like he did earlier in his career. Where are the "What's Eating Gilbert Grape" or "Ed Wood" kind of roles/films that aren't just about stupid CGI and non-existant plot like he's been in? What about "Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas"? After some of his early successes he started to be in crap movies again like "The Astronaut's Wife", he seems to be following the same route again with useless sequels and "quirky" roles, which we've seen already. I haven't liked a film he's been in outside of the original Pirates film since Sleepy Hollow, and before that Fear and Loathing. Enough with the low-risk roles, he's too good for that.

Justin

07-01-2010, 07:27 PM

Agreed.

Neverending

07-01-2010, 08:56 PM

Depp needs to grow up and play more adult roles.

Finding Neverland. Secret Window. The Libertine. Sweeney Todd. Public Enemies. The Rum Diary. The Tourist.

Yeah, you're right. Johnny Depp has spent the last 7 years as a children's entertainer.

Sean B.

07-01-2010, 10:05 PM

Finding Neverland. Secret Window. The Libertine. Sweeney Todd. Public Enemies. The Rum Diary. The Tourist.

Yeah, you're right. Johnny Depp has spent the last 7 years as a children's entertainer.

I wouldn't call those movies you've mentioned that he's in, as childrens movies or anything like that, except if it's like Alice in Wonderland that he's in "the Tim Burton version" , or the Pirates of the Caribbean movies, that he's in "of course":csgrin::D.

ViRUs

07-01-2010, 10:08 PM

I think he was being sarcastic

Sean B.

07-01-2010, 10:16 PM

I think he was being sarcastic

Oh, i see. My mistake, sorry :hehe: .

SnoBorderZero

07-02-2010, 02:23 AM

Finding Neverland. Secret Window. The Libertine. Sweeney Todd. Public Enemies. The Rum Diary. The Tourist.

Yeah, you're right. Johnny Depp has spent the last 7 years as a children's entertainer.
I'll give you Finding Neverland, I had actually forgotten about that one I did really enjoy him and the film as well.

Secret Window is not what I would point to as a good film, though Depp was good in it and kept it going until its lame ending. Libertine was blasted in reviews, Sweeney Todd was alright I guess but I don't understand how that proves a point of him breaking any convention, and I personally found Public Enemies on a whole to be brilliantly mediocre but I guess Depp was alright in it. Even the movies you name with the exception of Finding Neverland are all very forgettable films. None of them have any lasting power, especially compared to films he's done earlier in his career. Where among those films is anything like "Ed Wood", "Edward Scissorhands", "What's Eating Gilbert Grape", or "Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas" in terms of quality? The movie's you mentioned aren't terrible or anything, but they aren't special either.

Neverending

07-02-2010, 04:00 AM

The point is that he's done "adult" roles in the past 7 years. Whether they were good or not is a different story.

DarthVader 2004

07-02-2010, 05:14 AM

He is a father now and why people don't get he wants to do more stuff you can take kids to is beyond me. Depp had a serious nature in his films for years and I think Sleepy Hallow and then The first PIrate Movie loosened his humor up and allowed him to explore his more zany chaplin side.
Anymore people in themselves are like film critics they are too tight and stuffy they forget to have fun at the movies and are no all serious.

ViRUs

07-02-2010, 11:56 AM

RedVader is right, once you become a dad, and your an actor you cant make adult movies anymore.

southern

07-02-2010, 12:31 PM

I think he was being sarcastic
Just ignore it. Maybe it'll go away.

I personally found Public Enemies on a whole to be brilliantly mediocre
That movie was so boring we turned it off before the end. As much as I enjoy JD & CB, they didn't add anything to make that movie good.

One of the main problems I have with Pirates 2 & 3 is Bill Nighy (sp?). His voice grates on my nerves to the extent that it ruins any scene he's in. Since he's not going to be (shouldn't be) in it, this may not be so bad.

ViRUs

07-02-2010, 01:08 PM

Yeah, I was surprised at how boring Public Enemies was too. Neither Depp or Bale really had anything to work with, and really any two actors could have filled that spot and done just as well.

Sean B.

07-02-2010, 02:30 PM

Yeah, I was surprised at how boring Public Enemies was too. Neither Depp or Bale really had anything to work with, and really any two actors could have filled that spot and done just as well.

I guess some of the movies that Johnny Depp stars in are boring, and there are others like the Pirates of the Caribbean movies, and the Alice in Wonderland movie, that are actually good and a few of his other movies that are good too, not all of his movies are good though :lol: .

DarthVader 2004

07-02-2010, 03:17 PM

RedVader is right, once you become a dad, and your an actor you cant make adult movies anymore.

Well more or less adult like for it harder taking your kids to a premire if its Rated R and things. Another thing though he has made adult movies such as Public Enemies, Sweeney Todd and The Libertine since he started the Pirates films

Tolkien

07-03-2010, 08:18 AM

Sean B.

07-03-2010, 01:28 PM

I think he was being sarcastic, not agreeing.

To say that an actor can't make serious (I refuse to say adult) films anymore because they have children is pretty absurd to say the least. Whether or not an actor has children has an effect on their family life, true. BUT, that does not mean that they can't make serious films in general. There are scores of father's and mothers out there who act in serious roles regardless of their family status. I'm not arguing about it, just stating my point.

Yeah, you do have a point there. I see what your saying, i think so too, that just because he has children now, now doesn't mean he can't do serious movie roles anymore, as like you said!. But, there is also the fact that maybe since he has children, does mean he likes to make kid friendly movies too, like Alice in Wonderland and Pirates of the Caribbean movies, because maybe that inspires him to make them still, so that's why he does it!. I do remember him saying once that he enjoys making movies that are kid friendly too, not just the serious movie type of movie roles that he does.

SnoBorderZero

07-03-2010, 02:37 PM

Sean B.

07-04-2010, 11:39 AM

I think all that having children did for Depp was stop making movies revolving around drugs, especially after the death of his friend River Phoenix from his overdose. He's still making "adult" films (tee hee), but a different batch of them.

Well for all we might know, those things might change again, and maybe he'll do both kinds of movies again, meaning the ones for children and the serious type of films too, which to me, that has already happened where does do both kinds of movies now already. But, I guess we'll find out soon, which kinds of movies he'll be doing, as time goes by, i believe now adays he actually does both kinds of movies. Thats what it looks like to me, of how he's been doing that with the movies he's been in recently.

ViRUs

07-04-2010, 12:02 PM

I guess some of the movies that Johnny Depp stars in are boring, and there are others like the Pirates of the Caribbean movies, and the Alice in Wonderland movie, that are actually good and a few of his other movies that are good too, not all of his movies are good though :lol: .

Yeah, it wasn't really a knock on Johnny really, more on Michael Mann.

Well for all we might know, those things might change again, and maybe he'll do both kinds of movies again, meaning the ones for children and the serious type of films too, which to me, that has already happened where does do both kinds of movies now already. But, I guess we'll find out soon, which kinds of movies he'll be doing, as time goes by, i believe now adays he actually does both kinds of movies. Thats what it looks like to me, of how he's been doing that with the movies he's been in recently.

To like doing kids films is different than wanting to do them because he has a family. I'm sure he likes it when his kids can see his movie, but I dont see him really caring if they cant see some of them either.

Isnt he supposed to be in a movie with Angelina Jolie thats coming out sometime next year too? I dont see that being a funny type of role.

Daniel

07-04-2010, 12:03 PM

I actually fell asleep during Pirates 3 in the theater.

Sean B.

07-04-2010, 12:51 PM

I actually fell asleep during Pirates 3 in the theater.

You fell asleep when you went to see Pirates 3 in the theaters?. When i went to go and see Pirates 3 in the theaters when it came out, i couldn't fall asleep at all because there was so much going on the movie, for me to be able to fall asleep when i went to go and see it!. It was very action packed and loud, and alot of swashbuckling sword fighting during the maelstrom scene in Pirates 3 ! :omg: :lol: . And "of course" where i went to go and see it, the movie theater i went to had a pretty big screen, bigger then the average theater sceen and the sound system was incredible! :csgrin: . So for me to fall asleep during the movie would have been impossible, while watching it in the theater! :lol: .

Sean B.

07-04-2010, 01:02 PM

Yeah, it wasn't really a knock on Johnny really, more on Michael Mann.

To like doing kids films is different than wanting to do them because he has a family. I'm sure he likes it when his kids can see his movie, but I dont see him really caring if they cant see some of them either.

Isnt he supposed to be in a movie with Angelina Jolie thats coming out sometime next year too? I dont see that being a funny type of role.

ViRUs,
Maybe he does care if they can't see some of them, so maybe that's why he's doing movies that kids can see too, not just serious movie roles for the serious type of movies, that adults would mostly see. Also, yes he is supposed to be in a movie with Angelina Jolie thats coming out sometime next year. That i know, is not a funny type of role, or kid friendly movie, but he does do both kinds of movies now obviously, meaning the serious movies and the ones that aren't serious the movies .

ViRUs

07-04-2010, 01:55 PM

Well, doesnt care was the wrong choice of words. I meant that I dont think the fact that his kids can/cant see the movie is a deciding factor for him when he decides to do movies.

Justin

07-04-2010, 02:03 PM

To be honest, I saw the third one in the theatres as well, and fell asleep....

Justin

07-04-2010, 02:08 PM

Edit.

Sean B.

07-04-2010, 02:25 PM

Well, doesnt care was the wrong choice of words. I meant that I dont think the fact that his kids can/cant see the movie is a deciding factor for him when he decides to do movies.

Yes, i know what you mean.

Sean B.

07-04-2010, 02:30 PM

To be honest, I saw the third one in the theatres as well, and fell asleep....

I wouldn't pay for a movie, that i'd go to see in the theater, and then fall asleep, while it's playing on the theater screen :csgrin:, I'd stay there and watch it, without falling asleep!. "No offense :)" .

ViRUs

07-04-2010, 06:03 PM

Maybe it was a midnight showing? I dont think I could ever fall asleep in a theater though. Come to think of it actually, I was kind of nodding off in Robin Hood. I remember I worked a 9 hour day that day and had to wake up at 5. I was more tired than I realized, but I dont think I really ever dozed off or missed any of the movie.

Panther2000

07-05-2010, 05:44 PM

I think he was being sarcastic, not agreeing.

To say that an actor can't make serious (I refuse to say adult) films anymore because they have children is pretty absurd to say the least. Whether or not an actor has children has an effect on their family life, true. BUT, that does not mean that they can't make serious films in general. There are scores of father's and mothers out there who act in serious roles regardless of their family status. I'm not arguing about it, just stating my point.

Being that Almost all of the TOP ACTORS & ACTRESSES are parents only prove that and, they can do both. Family movies & their serious movies. Jodie fosters comes to mind. In the past few years. She has done both a few family movies & still had her adult dramaic action movies.

But I also, think that Johnny may have had a light go off when his daughter almost died duirng the making of POTCDMC( I think that it was the second movie) Hey, he already had the serious dramaic movie fanbase. But, once he did Pirates he got another base which I think he did not plan on. & being that his kids love Jack Sparrow. Hey he couldn't go wrong.

I am late but I too am very happy that there is another Thread for this movie.

We can have SANE conversations here.http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b318/Panther2000/Sagittarius/crossed_fingers.gif

I too am looking forward to this movie but, it better be good.

ViRUs

07-05-2010, 09:23 PM

I cant even remember the last Jodie Foster movie I saw, I cant even think of one that she did for the family.

Sean B.

07-05-2010, 10:51 PM

Being that Almost all of the TOP ACTORS & ACTRESSES are parents only prove that and, they can do both. Family movies & their serious movies. Jodie fosters comes to mind. In the past few years. She has done both a few family movies & still had her adult dramaic action movies.

But I also, think that Johnny may have had a light go off when his daughter almost died duirng the making of POTCDMC( I think that it was the second movie) Hey, he already had the serious dramaic movie fanbase. But, once he did Pirates he got another base which I think he did not plan on. & being that his kids love Jack Sparrow. Hey he couldn't go wrong.

I am late but I too am very happy that there is another Thread for this movie.

We can have SANE conversations here.http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b318/Panther2000/Sagittarius/crossed_fingers.gif

I too am looking forward to this movie but, it better be good.

Panther2000,
You made a very good point there, i agree with you entirely about the fact that his kids love Jack Sparrow, and that, that was a very good reason for him to continue with the POTC franchise, even after one of his kids got really sick. When i heard about that, when it had happened, i thought that was so very very brave of him to do Pirates 2, so i'd honestly tell him that myself, if i knew him, which i don't, so i can't but i really wish that i could!. Also, i as well, am looking forward to this movie, and i have a feeling that this Pirates of the Caribbean movie (Pirates 4), will be the best one yet, better then Pirates 2 and Pirates 3, because of the fact that the director Gore Verbinski messed up on Pirates 2 and Pirates 3, and luckily wont be directing Pirates 2 and Pirates 3, and that the second and third movies were filmed back to back, and the stories on the scripts for Pirates 2 and Pirates 3, were both too much of a complex story to be able to understand and keep up with while watching either of those movies!.

DarthVader 2004

07-05-2010, 11:09 PM

Sean B.

07-06-2010, 12:18 AM

As for the Movie sleepers you guys should just stay at home for your couch is for sleeping. I have never in my life feel asleep in a movie complex. Maybe your guys blood sugar is low or you sleepers are being your normal complaining selves.

RedVader 2004,
You have a good point there about them. I as well, have never ended up having to fall asleep during a movie at the theaters!. I always either go to the movie theaters and pay to see the movie and actually watch it, and not fall asleep during the movie, because if i ever did fall asleep during a movie at the movie theaters, then i would basically be waisting my money for no reason what so ever! :lol: :omg: .

jbailey84

07-06-2010, 02:00 AM

Justin

07-06-2010, 08:32 AM

southern

07-06-2010, 09:17 AM

Or maybe we're just watching boring films with no drama?

DING DING DING

I don't think I've ever fallen asleep, but there are some movies I went to see where I wish I could have (ie. New Moon).

Deexan

07-06-2010, 09:20 AM

I think I almost fell asleep during Mission Impossible 3, but that was because I was blind drunk.

Ewok Droppings

07-06-2010, 10:18 AM

I fall asleep all the time in movies. If I can't sleep at night, I turn on the TV and it almost always knocks me out.

IanTheCool

07-06-2010, 10:26 AM

RedVader 2004,
You have a good point there about them. I as well, have never ended up having to fall asleep during a movie at the theaters!. I always either go to the movie theaters and pay to see the movie and actually watch it, and not fall asleep during the movie, because if i ever did fall asleep during a movie at the movie theaters, then i would basically be waisting my money for no reason what so ever! :lol: :omg: .

Go see Grown-Ups. You'll feel like your wasting your money even if you don't fall asleep.

At least if I would have fallen asleep I could have gotten a good nap in.

Sean B.

07-06-2010, 11:38 AM

Go see Grown-Ups. You'll feel like your wasting your money even if you don't fall asleep.

At least if I would have fallen asleep I could have gotten a good nap in.

I don't think i'd feel like i would be waisting my money if i went to go and see the movie "Grown-Ups", because if i went to go and see that movie, then it would be because i want to go and see a movie with the "Comedy" genra. If i would of wanted to take a nap during a movie, then i wouldn't go to the movie theater in the first place. Anyways, Pirates 4 won't have that issue, because it'll be like Pirates 1, their making a Pirates 4 to make up for Pirates Pirates 2 and Pirates 3, which they know those two movies were not 100% pecent easy to follow through on the story and plot while watching them. Their going to simplize Pirates 4, to be like Pirates 1, which has already been confirmed by now.

ViRUs

07-06-2010, 11:39 AM

Or maybe we're just watching boring films with no drama?

Which is exactly what Robin Hood was, lol. Like I said, I worked 9 hours that day, and had to get up at 5. I was pretty tired and could feel myself dozing off, but I didnt actually fall asleep.

DarthVader 2004

07-06-2010, 01:32 PM

MovieBuff801

07-06-2010, 02:26 PM

No matter how bad a movie I watch, I never feel the urge to fall asleep during it. Even if it's boring, I still like to see where it goes.

ViRUs

07-06-2010, 02:36 PM

Now some people have reason for going to sleep if are like over 65 have low blood sugar or blood pressure problems.
But going to a movie after long hours wasn't a good time to go anyways. Also if your gonna see a flick you don't think would like and you fall asleep. Then its that persons own fault and shouldn't be wining about it.
Its any easy remedy stay home and go to bed. Catch the movie later.

Thats the only reason you "allow" to fall asleep? lol.

No it wasnt a good time, but how many times are you invited to a free pre-screening of a movie? That was my first time ever, and I wasnt going to pass it up. Even if it wasn't a pre-screening, I'm still never going to pass up a free movie, lol.

I wasnt wining at all either, I dont really care. That movie was long and boring, and I didnt miss any of it either. In hindsight I probably should have fallen asleep, but thats ok.

MasterChief117

07-06-2010, 02:39 PM

I fell asleep three times to Phantom Menace and finally the fourth and final time I was able to watch it whole.

ViRUs

07-06-2010, 02:42 PM

Shouldnt that have been a sign after the first three failed attempts? ;)

Justin

07-06-2010, 03:48 PM

Now some people have reason for going to sleep if are like over 65 have low blood sugar or blood pressure problems.
But going to a movie after long hours wasn't a good time to go anyways. Also if your gonna see a flick you don't think would like and you fall asleep. Then its that persons own fault and shouldn't be wining about it.
Its any easy remedy stay home and go to bed. Catch the movie later.

I expected an enjoyable movie, but instead, it was incredibly dull and lifeless. Make all of the excuses you'd like, but some people will fall asleep, and not only for the reasons of "having low blood sugar". That has nothing to do with it.

IanTheCool

07-06-2010, 04:03 PM

I don't i'd feel like i would be waisting my money if i went to go and see the movie "Grown-Ups", because if i went to go and see that movie, then it would be because i want to go and see a movie with the "Comedy" genra. If i would of wanted to take a nap during a movie, then i wouldn't go to the movie theater in the first place. Anyways, Pirates 4 won't have that issue, because it'll be like Pirates 1, their making a Pirates 4 to make up for Pirates Pirates 2 and Pirates 3, which they know those two movies were not 100% pecent easy to follow through on the story and plot while watching them. Their going to simplize Pirates 4, to be like Pirates 1, which has already been confirmed by now.

Sometimes we don't have much of a choice in the movies we see...

DarthVader 2004

07-06-2010, 06:39 PM

I expected an enjoyable movie, but instead, it was incredibly dull and lifeless. Make all of the excuses you'd like, but some people will fall asleep, and not only for the reasons of "having low blood sugar". That has nothing to do with it.

Well i will admit that the will and elizabeth together parts did make me check my watch. But since they are not in the 4th maybe won;t be so dull and you can stay awake this time lol

Sean B.

07-06-2010, 07:29 PM

Sometimes we don't have much of a choice in the movies we see...

Actually we do, because they always show several movies in the movie theater every time anyone goes to a movie theater, they don't show just one movie at a time. Every Friday is when new movies are released to theaters.

IanTheCool

07-06-2010, 07:33 PM

Actually we do, because they always show several movies in the movie theater every time anyone goes to a movie theater, they don't show just one movie at a time. Every Friday is when new movies are released to theaters.

You mistook my meaning. I meant we don't always have a choice depending on who we're going to see the movie with. i.e. significant others

Sean B.

07-06-2010, 07:39 PM

You mistook my meaning. I meant we don't always have a choice depending on who we're going to see the movie with. i.e. significant others

Oh, ok i see what you meant now.

ViRUs

07-06-2010, 07:40 PM

Well i will admit that the will and elizabeth together parts did make me check my watch. But since they are not in the 4th maybe won;t be so dull and you can stay awake this time lol

We werent really talking about Pirates in this case. At least I wasnt...

You mistook my meaning. I meant we don't always have a choice depending on who we're going to see the movie with. i.e. significant others

Those can be the worst! I still havent forgiven my ex for draggin me to Happy Feet when Casino Royale was out.

DarthVader 2004

07-07-2010, 11:56 AM

Ok he needs shot for who would see Happy Feet over Casino Royale lol

ViRUs

07-07-2010, 12:30 PM

Yeah...... I'm a guy. So....... that would make some sense.....

Sean B.

07-07-2010, 02:33 PM

Well i will admit that the will and elizabeth together parts did make me check my watch. But since they are not in the 4th maybe won;t be so dull and you can stay awake this time lol

RedVader 2004,
Thats exactly how i felt about the characters William Turner and Elizabeth Swann in Pirates 1, 2 and 3 :lol: . I know i'll definately be paying attention to "All" of the fourth movie, and i will not look away from the screen for the slightest second, like i kinda did with Pirates 1, 2 and 3, because of the William and Elizabeth characters and their story in the POTC movies, that took away too much screen time for all the actors playing the "Pirates" in the first three Pirates of the Caribbean movies! :omg: . The only part of Pirates of the Caribbean At Worlds End that i paid attention too in the theaters, with out looking away for a single second, was the Maelstrom Scene in Pirates of the Caribbean At Worlds End, because that part of that movie was very action packed and exciting, when i saw it for the first time in the movie theaters!:csgrin: ,which that i have to admit i thought that was a cool part of the movie, and i was also not expecting it, but i loved that part of the movie, when i saw it for the first time in the movie theater!.

IanTheCool

07-07-2010, 03:53 PM

What if new characters which are just as boring are introduced?

Sean B.

07-07-2010, 04:06 PM

What if new characters which are just as boring are introduced?

That most likely wont be known until after most people have seen Pirates 4 in theaters when it comes out after they see it, also not until that is mentioned on television and on the internet, where even more people will find out about it then too, once it has made a large amount of money in the box office worldwide.

IanTheCool

07-25-2010, 08:17 PM

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Sean B.

07-26-2010, 06:50 PM

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IanTheCool,
Thanks for showing me the Comic Con Pirates 4 Teaser Trailer :) . I found it too, and thought it was very very funny! :lol: . Although, i can't wait to see the regular teaser trailer for Pirates 4, when it's released on the internet, which will be when Tron Legacy comes to theaters, which that is when it's expected to be released on the internet, on December 17th, 2010 Friday.

MovieBuff801

07-26-2010, 10:08 PM

Well i will admit that the will and elizabeth together parts did make me check my watch. But since they are not in the 4th maybe won;t be so dull and you can stay awake this time lol

Am I the only one who wasn't bored with the Will/Elizabeth romance? I actually thought it was one of the more interesting aspects of the films and the way it was developed was certainly better than the average Disney hero-heroine romance.

Tolkien

07-27-2010, 08:56 AM

Twice in four days now I drive pass entire sets at the beach, chalk full of actors in costume, it's awesome. Took some pictures too, I'll upload it in the morning.

Sean B.

07-28-2010, 01:48 AM

Opps!. It looks like the video i posted here was removed by youtube, which does not surprise me, oh well !. Here is a link to a website that still has it up and working --------------> http://www.traileraddict.com/tags/pirates-of-caribbean-on-stranger-tides

southern

07-28-2010, 06:40 AM

Am I the only one who wasn't bored with the Will/Elizabeth romance? I actually thought it was one of the more interesting aspects of the films and the way it was developed was certainly better than the average Disney hero-heroine romance.

No, at least not for the first movie. but they did get a bit annoying in 2 & 3.

Ramplate

07-28-2010, 06:43 AM

I didn't think they got annoying until 3

DarthVader 2004

07-28-2010, 07:08 AM

MovieBuff801

07-28-2010, 10:34 AM

See, I disagree there. Will and Elizabeth were always the emotional center of the series when you think about it and everything pretty much related to their journey. I actually cared about their relationship and was genuinely interested to see how they would end up.

Sean B.

07-28-2010, 12:57 PM

Well in Pirates 1 Will and Liz had little contact till second half really. In pirates 2 and 3 there kinda shove din your face a lot more and it slowly gets painful and less enjoyible by the end of AWE.

RedVader 2004,
That's true, i agree with you on that!. Will and Elizabeth were really starting to get to me as well, and bother me a whole lot, in Pirates 2, and including in Pirates 3. Strangely enough though, they didn't bother me during the Maelstrom scene in Pirates 3. I think the reason they didn't bother me too much during the Maelstrom scene in Pirates 3 was because, it wasn't only William and Elzabeth in that part of the movie, because Jack Sparrow, and Babrossa were in that scene sword fighting with Davy Jones, making it "Not" boring to watch that part of Pirates 3. That part of Pirates 3, in my own opinion, was the best part or Pirates 3, and the second best part of Pirates 3, was Jack sailling off in the horizon to find the fountain of youth! :csgrin: .

Tolkien

07-28-2010, 01:31 PM

PHOTOS ENSUE!!!!

So I took the first ten photos while driving home from work a couple of days ago. Sorry for the bluriness, I was trying to drive at the time. Anyways, the second batch of (10) photos I took yesterday. I drove down to the countryside with a friend to see the ship everyone was talking about and sure enough, it was there. Blackbeard ship.

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y250/IslandMovieBuff/s1-1.jpg

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y250/IslandMovieBuff/s2-1.jpg

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y250/IslandMovieBuff/s3-1.jpg

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y250/IslandMovieBuff/s4-1.jpg

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y250/IslandMovieBuff/s5-1.jpg

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y250/IslandMovieBuff/s6-1.jpg

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y250/IslandMovieBuff/s7.jpg

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y250/IslandMovieBuff/s8.jpg

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y250/IslandMovieBuff/s9.jpg

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y250/IslandMovieBuff/s10.jpg

Tolkien

07-28-2010, 01:31 PM

Second batch,

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y250/IslandMovieBuff/z1.jpg

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y250/IslandMovieBuff/z2.jpg

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y250/IslandMovieBuff/z3.jpg

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y250/IslandMovieBuff/z4.jpg

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y250/IslandMovieBuff/z5.jpg

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y250/IslandMovieBuff/z6.jpg

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y250/IslandMovieBuff/z7.jpg

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y250/IslandMovieBuff/z8.jpg

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y250/IslandMovieBuff/z9.jpg

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y250/IslandMovieBuff/z10.jpg

jbailey84

07-28-2010, 01:42 PM

wow that ship looks amazing!

Ramplate

07-28-2010, 04:28 PM

Nice! thanks for posting

DarthVader 2004

07-28-2010, 05:19 PM

Thats not quite The Pearl so it must be The Queen Anne's Revenge

Ramplate

07-28-2010, 05:43 PM

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y250/IslandMovieBuff/z9.jpg
Yes it's The Queen Anne's Revenge http://www.thehdroom.com/news/Pirates-of-the-Caribbean-4-Blackbeards-Ship-Spotted/6944

Sean B.

07-28-2010, 07:25 PM

Tolkien,
Those are all great photos of the Queen Anne's Revenge! :D .Great photo taking there! :csgrin: . I think the Queen Anne's Revenge looks a whole lot cooler :cool: then the Black Pearl! ;) .

Tolkien

07-29-2010, 10:12 AM

Thats not quite The Pearl so it must be The Queen Anne's Revenge

Hence why I said t'was Blackbeard's ship. ;)

Sean B.

08-03-2010, 01:25 AM

Tolkien,
Do you think that the Black Pearl looks better as the Queen Anne's Revenge, or as the Black Pearl? :confused: . I think it looks better as the Queen Anne's Revenge :D .

DarthVader 2004

08-03-2010, 05:47 AM

Is there not two different ships in Pirates 4 cause why would The Black Pearl be both ships or is The Pearl one of Black Beards previous ships

Sean B.

08-03-2010, 11:10 AM

Sean B.

08-27-2010, 01:40 PM

I didn't think they got annoying until 3

I'm assuming you ment Orlando Bloom and Keira Knightley right? :lol: . I thought so too, that they got annoying by Pirates 3 :hehe: .

DarthVader 2004

08-27-2010, 01:59 PM

RedVader 2004,
No, they turned the Black Pearl into the Queen Anne's Revenge, and will be using a barge to be as the Black Pearl, which they will most likey use CGI or in other words, "special effects" to make it look like the Black Pearl in Pirates 4.

Or maybe they will turn the Dutchmen into this queen annes and leave the Black Pearl alone. They could have two ships for this movie made. Pirates 1 had 3 ships I believe.

Sean B.

08-27-2010, 02:44 PM

Or maybe they will turn the Dutchmen into this queen annes and leave the Black Pearl alone. They could have two ships for this movie made. Pirates 1 had 3 ships I believe.

They already turned the Black Pearl into the Queen Anne's Revenge for Pirates 4. They will use a Barge with CGI added to it later, to portray as the Black Pearl in Pirates 4. The Dutchmen will not be in Pirates 4, which that has already been confirmed by now.

Sean B.

10-18-2010, 12:24 PM

Anyone here think they might know what the possible "After Credits Scene" might be for Pirates 4 ? :confused: . If you're not sure, i'll understand :) .

Deexan

12-13-2010, 06:53 PM

Oops.

MovieBuff801

12-13-2010, 07:00 PM

It looks awesome, without a doubt! I really dig the quest aspect of the plot, and this trailer certainly shows a lot of promise. Agreed, McShane looks downright sinister as Blackbeard.

May 20th better get here quick!

docstop

12-14-2010, 09:49 AM

Trailer has lots of good stuff in it. Like the fact they didn't show every important detail of the plot. Is it just me but does Penelope Cruz look way too much like and older Kiera Knightley? I watched the trailer and thought it was her everytime.

King_of_Skid_Row

12-14-2010, 09:45 PM

I still think Penelope Cruz is way hotter than Knightley.

By the way, I'm still pissed that they killed Norrington. He would've been great in this. Seriously it was such a waste!

merlinmanor

12-16-2010, 02:45 AM

I will like to see Penelope doing as good replacement for Knightly. Although I didn't found any serious wrong in keeping her. Lets wait how this movie roles out before its fan base.

saveus1011

12-18-2010, 05:09 PM

I absolutely hate the first three films.

So someone explain why the trailer for this one sold me.

DarthVader 2004

12-18-2010, 06:14 PM

Al Swearengen as Black Beard and no Will and Elizabeth perhaps or maybe Barbossa having the wooden Silver one leg deal.

kkapp11

12-20-2010, 08:42 PM

I absolutely hate the first three films.

So someone explain why the trailer for this one sold me.

Alas, maybe it can be credited to maturity, haha, who knows what allure Jack has, but man, woman and even child, everyone is evenually drawn to Captn' Jack Sparrow!!

SnoBorderZero

12-20-2010, 09:31 PM

DarthVader 2004

12-20-2010, 09:40 PM

It took you this long to complain about it. I mean you hated the other 2 way sooner then this dude. I am totally surprised you hated the trailer. Really I am.

SnoBorderZero

12-20-2010, 10:19 PM

I didn't have anything to say about the movie until I saw the trailer, I was laughing initially at the fact they were even making another one of these movies after how poorly received the sequels were (though I'm not surprised because they made money and milking movies is what Disney does best). And hated the other 2 sooner? I didn't hate either of them until I watched them and realized what bad movies they are, especially in comparison to the first. What plagued those films is exactly the fate of this one, bad writing. The sequels were a jumble of ideas, many of which don't coincide with one another, and this trailer looks like more of the same. What in the trailer did I miss that would make me think otherwise that this is going to suck? The mermaids? Penelope Cruz? They're all essentially gimmicks, no different from the useless crab lady. When has a spin-off of a franchise with 2 bad movies ever been good? Actually, when has a spin-off movie in general ever been good?

RingWraith2k4

12-21-2010, 04:34 AM

Well, I enjoyed the previous 3 movies. And I'm definitely looking forward to this movie.

DarthVader 2004

12-21-2010, 08:24 AM

kkapp11

12-21-2010, 12:22 PM

Saw the trailer before Tron, wow does this look bad. Looks like more of the same old thing from the crap sequels. Plot (as in the very little they smartly showed) looks like a dead ringer conceptually as well just dressed up with new creatures like mermaids, yawn. General rule of thumb: If the two movies preceding a movie were horrible, the film proceeding it will be even worse. Since the previous two films were both bombastically terrible, this one could be shooting for a new high in mediocrity.

I LOVED all the Pirate movies!! I take them for what they are, escapes from reality, fiction and best of all, Entertainment!! We all can't and shouldn't all like the same things....lots of popular movies, just bore me, so, I'm very excited about this new Pirate Movie, and of course, I thoroughly love the cast!! Remember (General rule of thumb), thumbs are unique to individuals like other body parts....everybody has one (or two, hahaha!)

SnoBorderZero

12-21-2010, 02:42 PM

Unlike your Boy Cameron and The Wolrd biggest cash cow ever. Its story is no better then The 3rd Pirates movie. The difference for me was the actors in Pirates could fix the script by there acting unlike Avatars actors.

My boy James Cameron? I don't even understand where you're getting that from. Avatar isn't a great movie by any means, but it's still much better than the Pirates sequels by quite a bit. You're essentially comparing (and I still don't even understand how this is brought up) the money making of a filmmaker's original concept and Disney milking every utter of this franchise, just like they always do (see the numerous dtv sequels they've shamelessly put out). Never said anything or anyone is wrong for liking the movies, Sean is certainly right on his statement. Just saying based on the trailer looks like more of the same, which for some is a great sign.

DarthVader 2004

12-21-2010, 05:33 PM

IanTheCool

12-21-2010, 08:04 PM

Hmm, that trailer was not the best. That one part made me laugh, where Jack is listing the "adventures" they will come across. "With mermaids, and zombies, and Blackbeard!"
It was like those old movie trailers: "Action, excitement, romance, and intrigue!"

DarthVader 2004

12-21-2010, 09:10 PM

Whats wrong with it. I liked old adventure trailers for was an AMC watcher before went to school. I'll not say anymore hateful things for its Christmas on this subject. I just think the trailer makes the 4th movie more promising and like The First movie in a way.
I wanna know where Jack The Monkey is.

SnoBorderZero

12-22-2010, 12:23 AM

I don't get your hate for these films. You claim to want older style of films and Pirates is as close as people can get to those days. Yet Avatar who took the Pocohantas story and high tech it up. Is a much better story. Pirates until 4 had been original scripts while Avatar is a stolen idea.

Avatar had amassed billions but yet Cameron rereleased it in theaters. If thats not milking the Avatar cow then don't know what is.
I hate to fight about movies but I say see the movie before ranking it worse then something just because didn't like AWE and DMC.

The Pirate films are not very different then Pirates 1 only the first film was Darker toned. I am likely not right but if you fire a cannon at my ship. I will return fire. Which means. If diss a movie i like will defend the film. I may be wrong in another point of view but that's fine. I just ask people see a movie before deciding its garbage.
I'm not trying to fight with you, you should defend movies you like, I don't discredit you for that I'm encouraging it. I don't post here to agree with everyone all the time, debating film is one of my hobbies. Don't take this as a personal attack, I certainly don't mean it that way at all.

I want older movies? Like classic films? I don't see how any of these movies would compare to the Citizen Kanes out there, not even close. I don't care about how old a movie is, they were making garbage in the 1920s too. These movies are not good, they really aren't. The first film was original, creative, and came out of nowhere. The sequels are very obviously rushed screenplays trying to turn what was supposed to be one film into a franchise. There are a lot of ideas presented in the sequels, none of which are well fleshed out or have solid payoffs. Like the whole council of Pirates in the third movie. That there is an example of the writers trying to jam pack the movie with a bunch of completely pointless new side characters, none of which do anything substantially significant by the end of the film. Keith Richards is a gimmick that adds nothing. Calypso's plotline is so bad there's no way you can possibly defend THAT. How about in the 2nd film when they fight on that rolling wheel for like 20 minutes? How much overkill is that? I wouldn't mind these lapses in plot if the sequels were as fun as the original, but they're just one mindless scene after another that just gets tedious. And the love story... wow, let's just move on.

I don't understand where you're getting that I love Avatar, I'd score it a 7/10. I'd score both sequels 5/10. Avatar isn't original or creative (though the story itself IS an original work) but neither are the Pirates sequels. Avatar's plot though is at least watchable and entertaining, even if I've seen it before Cameron was able to hold my interest. Avatar across the board was generally a positively received film, whereas both Pirates films were blasted by everyone other than its franchise's fans. I don't see much point in comparing Avatar to the sequels. It seems more like you have some disdain for James Cameron? If you want to compare directors, Gore Verbinski's 2nd best movie is The Ring... yeah... You're right, Cameron is still milking the crap out of Avatar, but at least he isn't making Lion King 4: Lions in Space like Disney does with its pathetic DTV sequels.

I never ranked this film, I wouldn't rank something I haven't seen, that makes no sense. This shouldn't be hard to understand, I watched the trailer, was unimpressed, saw comparisons in it to the crap sequels, made a good evaluation. You seem perplexed that our jaws didn't drop after watching this, yet I ask again what plot points or sequences did you see in there that disproves anything I've said? Was it the mermaids? The zombies? I guess I should've been going nuts over Van Helsing too. Likely I will see this movie, and then I can make an actual valid statement on it, you're right. But you can quote me from here all you want when the movie comes out and see how wrong I was. I would also say that the tone in the films doesn't change, but the style and execution certainly does. It reminded me of how different Matrix Reloaded was compared to the original. Rather than relying on gunplay, technological intrigue, and somewhat grounded kung-fu (note the emphasis on somewhat) it went to over the top sequences (Neo fighting all those Smiths was overkill, similar to the wheel fight in DMC), a disregard for its characters and a coherent plotline, and was an obvious attempt at franchising a movie intended to be an individual. If you're looking for more accurate comparisons for the sequels than Avatar I'd recommend the equally atrocious Matrix Revolutions... or Howard the Duck.

DarthVader 2004

12-22-2010, 08:59 AM

Well I liked the darker tones of the trailer that seem more like the first movie. Its is obvious they scaled back money wise and are trying to deliver a movie based on a story. Johnny in the trailer in an old Hollywood style discribes what would be seeing in the movie.
The Trailer does not give away be ending shot like AWE did. For some reason i was intriuged by seeing more of McShane as Blackbeard. I for some reason feel better about the movie then did for AWE. I think no Will and Liz and putting in new young leads with Jack is a good thing.

As for Avatar remember 2 more sequels are coming so lets not pretend there will be no milking of the blue cow.

SnoBorderZero

12-22-2010, 11:21 PM

Scaled back? I don't think there's any significant difference in budget going on here, looks like another big budget film to me. Once again, where in the trailer are you finding anything suggesting this is going to focus on plot? All I saw is a bunch of creatures, action, and one-liners. I don't understand where Depp is representing the Hollywood "style" aside from being an A-list actor either...

And you're right, Avatar seems like it's heading towards sequels, and if they're as terrible as the Pirates sequels, you better believe I'll say just that. I still have no idea why you obsess over Avatar or think I do, but ok. If anything, James Cameron is the only director to make TWO sequels that arguably rival the originals (Aliens, Terminator 2) so we shall see...

DarthVader 2004

12-22-2010, 11:42 PM

Well Both likely will be Pawned when The Hobbit its theaters for thats my most wanna see two films.

Fresh Prince

12-23-2010, 01:20 PM

To be honest nothing is original anymore...even Inception took some stuff from other films like the Matrix with the whole machine thing let you be sleep but act out in another reality.

SnoBorderZero

12-23-2010, 03:57 PM

Well Both likely will be Pawned when The Hobbit its theaters for thats my most wanna see two films.
Well I can't disagree with you there, I'm very excited for The Hobbit as well.

Fresh Prince

12-23-2010, 04:10 PM

I'm not trying to fight with you, you should defend movies you like, I don't discredit you for that I'm encouraging it. I don't post here to agree with everyone all the time, debating film is one of my hobbies. Don't take this as a personal attack, I certainly don't mean it that way at all.

I want older movies? Like classic films? I don't see how any of these movies would compare to the Citizen Kanes out there, not even close. I don't care about how old a movie is, they were making garbage in the 1920s too. These movies are not good, they really aren't. The first film was original, creative, and came out of nowhere. The sequels are very obviously rushed screenplays trying to turn what was supposed to be one film into a franchise. There are a lot of ideas presented in the sequels, none of which are well fleshed out or have solid payoffs. Like the whole council of Pirates in the third movie. That there is an example of the writers trying to jam pack the movie with a bunch of completely pointless new side characters, none of which do anything substantially significant by the end of the film. Keith Richards is a gimmick that adds nothing. Calypso's plotline is so bad there's no way you can possibly defend THAT. How about in the 2nd film when they fight on that rolling wheel for like 20 minutes? How much overkill is that? I wouldn't mind these lapses in plot if the sequels were as fun as the original, but they're just one mindless scene after another that just gets tedious. And the love story... wow, let's just move on.

I don't understand where you're getting that I love Avatar, I'd score it a 7/10. I'd score both sequels 5/10. Avatar isn't original or creative (though the story itself IS an original work) but neither are the Pirates sequels. Avatar's plot though is at least watchable and entertaining, even if I've seen it before Cameron was able to hold my interest. Avatar across the board was generally a positively received film, whereas both Pirates films were blasted by everyone other than its franchise's fans. I don't see much point in comparing Avatar to the sequels. It seems more like you have some disdain for James Cameron? If you want to compare directors, Gore Verbinski's 2nd best movie is The Ring... yeah... You're right, Cameron is still milking the crap out of Avatar, but at least he isn't making Lion King 4: Lions in Space like Disney does with its pathetic DTV sequels.

I never ranked this film, I wouldn't rank something I haven't seen, that makes no sense. This shouldn't be hard to understand, I watched the trailer, was unimpressed, saw comparisons in it to the crap sequels, made a good evaluation. You seem perplexed that our jaws didn't drop after watching this, yet I ask again what plot points or sequences did you see in there that disproves anything I've said? Was it the mermaids? The zombies? I guess I should've been going nuts over Van Helsing too. Likely I will see this movie, and then I can make an actual valid statement on it, you're right. But you can quote me from here all you want when the movie comes out and see how wrong I was. I would also say that the tone in the films doesn't change, but the style and execution certainly does. It reminded me of how different Matrix Reloaded was compared to the original. Rather than relying on gunplay, technological intrigue, and somewhat grounded kung-fu (note the emphasis on somewhat) it went to over the top sequences (Neo fighting all those Smiths was overkill, similar to the wheel fight in DMC), a disregard for its characters and a coherent plotline, and was an obvious attempt at franchising a movie intended to be an individual. If you're looking for more accurate comparisons for the sequels than Avatar I'd recommend the equally atrocious Matrix Revolutions... or Howard the Duck.

If you want good films you watch Independant movies....I beleive they have better films then most Hollywood flicks.

Knerys

12-23-2010, 04:11 PM

Saw the trailer last night.

I saw things I like (McShane as Black Beard, Penelope Cruz with a scar, Jack being Jack) and things I'm very questionable about (Jack being too much Jack, The Fountain of Youth?, Pirates Zombies???). But I'll proably give it a whirl.

DarthVader 2004

12-23-2010, 06:08 PM

I think Jack will have more serious moments then what we see in the trailer. I mean he does crazy stuff through AWE and he played the whole Davy Jones heart in his hand deal very serious. I think Jack isn't a very good Pirate and thats why he does the crazy stuff so can fool his way through.

Fresh Prince

12-23-2010, 08:32 PM

Pirate zombies sound awesome....so Jack Sparrow trying to live forever with Fountain of Youth?

DarthVader 2004

12-24-2010, 11:28 AM

Alot of people thought the cursed pirates in 1 were Zombies but they were Skeleton men. My assumption is the Zombies kinda protect the Fountain where the Jungle is. At first thought that Black Beards crew were Zombies but the trailer showed real pirates.

thismoviesucks.org

01-16-2011, 09:33 PM

Looks good my problem is that they are already working on a part 5 yet this movie hasn't seen the light of day in theaters they are hoping it makes over 100 million opening weekend!

kkapp11

01-17-2011, 11:34 AM

I am thrilled that Disney is looking ahead to Pirates 5!! But there is no doubt in my mind that if OST flops that the rug will be yanked out from under it! But flop? Really? I don't think so, OST's has a talented, returning cast, plus grreatly talented newcomers, new, of course, to the pirate scene. Yes, I think the movie has a chance to be a HIT! And though 5 is reported to be in progress with Terry alone at the helm(script), for at least now, it may not move as quickly as previous scripts, so we may have a longer wait, and ole Captn Jack is not getting any younger.....But I still love 'im!

ebinx

01-18-2011, 09:29 AM

Wow this is actually something new. I simply didn't know there was 5 coming soon. this time children will be old enough to take them to the cinema :-)

Henri Ducard

02-07-2011, 01:13 AM

The super bowl trailer was cool but I'm finding myself more interested in Rango.

Neverending

02-07-2011, 05:41 PM

Yahoo has an extended version of the Super Bowl spot:

http://blog.movies.yahoo.com/blog/572-super-bowl-movie-spots-reveal-transformers-and-more

Dhamon22

02-07-2011, 06:32 PM

Doesn't look as bad as the last two.

DarthVader 2004

02-07-2011, 09:13 PM

Looks good my problem is that they are already working on a part 5 yet this movie hasn't seen the light of day in theaters they are hoping it makes over 100 million opening weekend!

What will make this movie good is Al Swearengen. Wait i mean Blackbeard. I highly doubt we will get a **** suckers line in a disney film. He was what makes me wanna see this more from his added tv spot bits.

Henri Ducard

02-07-2011, 09:47 PM

The mermaid and that guy are probably the replacements for Orlando Bloom and Keira Knightly.

IanTheCool

02-08-2011, 11:18 AM

They're having a romance subplot with a mermaid?? Oh dear...

DarthVader 2004

02-08-2011, 12:25 PM

Why its more believable then a Pirate getting his heart cut out and put in a chest and his woman left on an island with no food. We are to believe she kept her self just for him for 10 years. I expect evil will to return in Pirates 5 cause he will need a job by then.

However i like the two new cast members. They look better then Orly and Keira did.

Sparrabella

02-08-2011, 07:14 PM

They're having a romance subplot with a mermaid?? Oh dear...

I was thinking that too. If they are taking the same route like the original trology (Jack helps young couple get together) , why didn`t they just bring back Willabeth? It isn`t like their ending was satisfying at all. Quite the contrary, wouldn`t Jack be looking for a way to save Will form his curse?

Also, I don`t get people`s issues with Will. I get Elisabeth issue, though. The whole William FREEEDOM Wallace thing was so stupid, annoying and OTT. She`s the worst Mary Sue. But Will was a perfect straight man to Jack. After the second one, I just wished Jack, Will and Norrington ditched Elisabeth and sailed off into adventures together leaving her as a snack for Jones`s fishpeople. :lol:

Neverending

02-08-2011, 08:20 PM

wouldn`t Jack be looking for a way to save Will form his curse?

I guess you didn't watch the post-credits scene.

Sparrabella

02-09-2011, 06:48 AM

I guess you didn't watch the post-credits scene.

Yes I have. The movie clearly stated that Will can come ashore only one day in every 10 years. I know that the writers chickened out and later said in an interview that Will could be set free if Elisabeth was faithful to him but that is not what the movies stated. And, besides, if he was free, how would that work? His heart is out of his body so he is a freak. Would he remian immortal, means she is aging and he isn`t? And who will be the captain after him? They outlined so many times that the Dutchman must have the captain. So if Elisabeth`s faithfulness (which shouldn`t be hard considering every man who could tempt her was removed from her path) is the key to William`s release from the duty, who takes the captain place? Or does the ship go on autopilot which renders any captain new or old irrelevant? Come to think of it, Calypso being a Goddess and all could put it on autopilot easily, no?

Anyway, since they introduced Willabeth son who, closing credits state, is also named William, I don`t get it why he isn`t the young man in this adventure instead of new, unrelated teen hearthrob Phil (rhymes with Will). At least some nod to the fans of the characters who aren`t in this movie and are likely not going to be mentioned at all.

I`m sorry but that cheapens Jack because he cannot possibly forget them and yet this movie clearly is going into that direction, to shut out those characters like they never existed. :nono:

todd philip

02-16-2011, 12:48 PM

Maybe they will mention them in the film, you never know.

Neverending

03-21-2011, 03:25 PM

NEW trailer:
http://movies.yahoo.com/feature/pirates-caribbean-on-stranger-tides.html?showVideo=1#belowNav

The mermaid attack was awesome!

MovieBuff801

03-21-2011, 03:35 PM

What an awesome trailer. I seriously can't wait for this movie!

Neverending

03-21-2011, 05:21 PM

I'm kind of excited too.

DarthVader 2004

03-21-2011, 06:38 PM

Yes this definately looks better then Pirates 3 at least. To be honest Pirates 1 and 2 were very good if ask me while 3 was just well not sure what but something was missing.
This looks as interesting story wise as The First film. I am most interested in seeing the pearl as an extention of Blackbeards evil. Because its appears it more or less reflects the captain of the ships personality

ViRUs

03-22-2011, 10:01 PM

I'm still kind of on the fence about this one. I dont think it will be bad, but I just have doubts about it. It reminds me too much of a bad spin-off.

DarthVader 2004

03-23-2011, 09:46 AM

In my view its a good spin off. But least with the Trailer you get a hint that the Blackpearl was not forgotten. I Am hoping if are more we get Red Beard as a Pirate too. Or go all disney and meet Captain Flint. I always felt should be a different Villain each film. Even though liked Davy Jones they just never topped Barbossa as a Villain.

But with McShane they have and if he is goo maybe should be back for more but think to keep it fresh for another movie you simply have a new villain

Fresh Prince

03-23-2011, 12:16 PM

What about Captain Nemo as a future villian?

DarthVader 2004

03-23-2011, 01:56 PM

No for he had the whole Submarine deal. It needs to be a mean pirate. Now the ghost of Captain Morgan be cool

Fresh Prince

03-25-2011, 03:50 PM

No for he had the whole Submarine deal. It needs to be a mean pirate. Now the ghost of Captain Morgan be cool

I guess.

Brenzi51

03-25-2011, 04:08 PM

What about Captain Nemo as a future villian?

I like the idea of throwing in someone who is not a pirate for that villain role. I understand that it's called "Pirates of the Caribbean", but a new pirate each film will get old fast.

I'm saying all of this with the assumption that more will be made if this is a hit.

Fresh Prince

03-25-2011, 10:58 PM

I like the idea of throwing in someone who is not a pirate for that villain role. I understand that it's called "Pirates of the Caribbean", but a new pirate each film will get old fast.

I'm saying all of this with the assumption that more will be made if this is a hit.

So if its not a pirate then what would it be?

DarthVader 2004

03-26-2011, 02:18 AM

How about a heathen God of some kind like Neptune since your involving mermaids in this movie. I'd never want to see Tia Dalma again unless make her a better looking god then a nasty looking bad cgi giant who has crabs

Brenzi51

03-26-2011, 04:21 AM

So if its not a pirate then what would it be?

I'm not sure. They should start to look at some land options rather than being exclusive to the ocean. I understand that this is about Pirates and their ships, but they need to open Jack up to more possibilities. I feel like the entire 3rd film took place on a boat. With that said, the new trailers make it seem like a lot happens in London and other locations.

Another idea could be Atlantis. I feel like Atlantis is thrown out there for every film as an idea, but nothing ever comes of it. There could be some potential for that in this franchise.

DarthVader 2004

03-26-2011, 07:36 AM

Well could include Atlantis in a sequel when you include mermaids in this.

Fresh Prince

03-26-2011, 02:03 PM

I'm not sure. They should start to look at some land options rather than being exclusive to the ocean. I understand that this is about Pirates and their ships, but they need to open Jack up to more possibilities. I feel like the entire 3rd film took place on a boat. With that said, the new trailers make it seem like a lot happens in London and other locations.

Another idea could be Atlantis. I feel like Atlantis is thrown out there for every film as an idea, but nothing ever comes of it. There could be some potential for that in this franchise.

Yeah they could use Gods like RedRaver said.

Sean B.

04-13-2011, 12:31 PM

Sean B.

04-13-2011, 12:33 PM

I'm still kind of on the fence about this one. I dont think it will be bad, but I just have doubts about it. It reminds me too much of a bad spin-off.

ViRUs,
This is more of a sequel, then it is as a spin-off ;) .

Sean B.

04-13-2011, 12:36 PM

:DNo for he had the whole Submarine deal. It needs to be a mean pirate. Now the ghost of Captain Morgan be cool

That might be good.

EdReedFan20

05-13-2011, 03:00 PM

The movie is currently at 63% on Rotten Tomatoes (5 "fresh", 3 "rotten"). Currently the two "top" critics have given "fresh" reviews. Many of the reviews are saying it's as fun as the original.

MovieBuff801

05-14-2011, 06:57 PM

One week!!! Excited!

MasterChief117

05-14-2011, 07:46 PM

58% on RT. Still 2/0 with Top Critics. That's good news for now.

Neverending

05-15-2011, 01:58 AM

This is the type of film where the critics don't really matter. Then again, that's usually the case with summer blockbusters.

Ewok Droppings

05-18-2011, 04:49 PM

If it's better than AWO then we'll be ok. Then again... that's not necessarily saying much. That movie sucked.

MovieBuff801

05-18-2011, 07:38 PM

I believe you mean AWE. ;)

Fresh Prince

05-21-2011, 07:25 PM

It was indeed better then AWE.

MovieBuff801

05-27-2011, 08:03 PM

Try checking out the review thread for the movie. ;)

The Thunder

05-28-2011, 09:43 PM

Well, here's what I thought - SPOILERS ahead!

While I didn't hate the movie, I sure didn't love it either. There were some familiar elements, and plenty of new ideas; there was actually quite a bit of potential, but ultimately, I walked out feeling disappointed. The whole time I was waiting for it to start building to a climax, but it never did - it just went. Fortunately, I didn't go in with very high hopes, but I really hoped it would have been better. So, here is a list of issues I had with this film:

1. Blackbeard the Magician. How does he have the ability to control ropes and rigging with his sword, and capture ships in bottles? Apparently, he also dabbles in voodoo? NONE of this was explained, and just seemed silly. I realize they were trying to keep it in the same vein of the previous films with a supernatural villain, but a little explanation would have helped. Also, with the historical reputation Blackbeard had, this version just plain didn't seem very frightening.
2. Zombies. Why? Other than mentioning the word "zombie-fied", and one occasion where a guy pulled a sword out of his chest, they could have just been a few tough dudes - say, PIRATES, for example. These four guys being zombies served absolutely no purpose.
3. I didn't care at all for any of the supporting cast, especially the ones we were supposed to. The missionary character was mostly just annoying, and his "romance" with the mermaid was no deeper than a Jr. High crush.
4. Speaking of the cleric, all through the film, he shows commitment to his faith, boldly standing up to Blackbeard, preaching with determination and purpose; however, at the end of the movie, he tells his girlfish, "I was lost and flailing, but...you complete me" (paraphrased). Inconsistent, sloppy writing.
5. Jack leads Blackbeard and his crew to the Fountain of Youth using his trusty compass, which shows him what he wants most in the world. However, at the beginning of the film, we learn that Jack had given up searching for the Fountain because he couldn't find it. Uh...why not? He had a map, and a magic compass (which I guess just didn't work then). More inconsistent, poor writing.
6. The writers seem to have equated the Fountain of Youth with the Fountain of Invincibility. According to legend, the Fountain of Youth will keep one from aging, but not dying. Things like drowning or being shot or stabbed could still be of some concern. But not, it seems, for the characters in this film! In the opening scene, two fishermen pull a man out of the ocean in their fishing nets. Expecting a drowned man, they are shocked when he pops up alive. Similarly, Blackbeard is searching for the Fountain to save him from a prophesy which says he will be killed by a one-legged man. Drink water = stop aging, NOT drink water = can't be killed by one-legged man. The poor writing continues!
6. Gratuitous 3D gags. COMPLETELY POINTLESS snake-toward-the-audience-gag just made me want to bang my head against a wall. The others were forgivable, but still cliche (sword-toward-the-audience, skeleton hand-toward-the-audience).
8. How does everyone know where Ponce de Leon's ship is? So they need the two chalices to perform the ritual...no one knows for sure, but everyone just assumes they are on Mr. de Leon's ship. But how does everyone know where it is? Jack finds the ship by once again using his magic compass. He climbs in, only to find Barbossa inside. How did Barbossa know where it was? Eh, details. They then discover the Spaniards had already beaten them to the punch and taken the chalises! But how did the Spaniards know? The only reasonable explanation is that it was written in the journal the invincible man had in the beginning. "Dear diary, today we were shipwrecked on top of a mountain. But we DID find that fountain we were looking for. I used my favorite cups to drink some water, which, as it turns out, killed one of my crew. Oops! Maybe it was because I added a mermaid tear to mine for flavor, and he didn't. Who knows? And just to make things more difficult for anyone who may follow after us, I decided that they HAVE to use my cups too - but I'm going to hide them under my bed! Suckers! - P.D.L.". Okay, scratch that - there IS NO reasonable explanation.
9. Jack's new lucky charm that hangs over his bandana is immobile. In the previous films, his "Piece of Eight" (as we learn it is in "At World's End"), swings and sways freely, but not his new one! This one stays put even when Jack is laying on his side! Maybe after Barbossa cut off the last one, Jack decided to thread the beads with a safety pin instead of fishing line.
10. While Jack is attempting to escape the King's palace, he passes a guard who subsequently lays his pistol and sword down on a table in order to pursue Jack?!?!?!?!?! Of course, Jack is hiding behind the table, and takes the weapons. AHHHHHHHH! My brain hurts!
11. Spider-Vampire-Jellyfish-Mermaids. Mermaids with a jellyfish-sack around them when in the water (which just isn't there when out of the water), who grow vampire-fangs in order to eat men, and can shoot webs like Spider-man. Scheduling lobotomy...
12. What the heck was the green bird-thing flying around the fountain?
13. Uncharacteristic moments for Jack. While in Ponce de Leon's ship, he too easily gave up the prospect of taking any treasure. Also, at the end, he made no effort to use the fountain for himself. In the end of "At World's End", Jack struggled with whether to stab the heart or use it to save Will. Here, he goes for saving Angelica without a thought of himself (only to maroon her immediately after). Just seemed like Jack (who's always looking out for Jack first) didn't even consider himself in this situation.
14. There was a scene in the trailer where Jack is slapped by a mermaid (a la all the previous films). It was cut from the film, but I think it would have been a fun nod to what has come before.

(Speaking of "At World's End", it's always bothered me why the crew cuts out Will's heart when he becomes captain. Davy Jones didn't need to put his heart in the chest in order to be captain. He was ALREADY captain of the Flying Dutchman, ferrying the souls of the dead for ten years, when Calypso didn't show up to meet him when he could be on land - and THEN, he cut out his heart so he didn't have to feel the pain. Whoops. Seems like the writing's been a problem for a while!)

I DID like the reference to the ride with Ponce de Leon as the dead pirate captain sitting in bed with a magnifying glass.
I DID like the almost kissing, then abruptly-cut music, turn-and-go at the end.
And of course, I once again loved Geoffry Rush as Barbossa. I wouldn't be surprised if he loses a hand in the next installment and gets a hook. He seems to quickly be turning into the "quintessential pirate".

So, let me know what you guys thought!