The 2008 Presidential Election Poll

[DragnFire22]

Since no one will alter the other thread to do this, here we go.

Obama/Biden v. McCain/Palin.

Vote!

[Tornado]

Well, unless Obama really screws the pooch I'll be going that route.

[Justin]

Nader/Gonzalez for now.

[JT3294]

McCain/Palin....

ya know... cause I wanna be different :meanie:

And why don't we show who voted what on the poll? I'm not embarassed lol.

[DragnFire22]

Because you don't know who voted what in real life ;)

[JT3294]

That's why it'd be so interesting here. Find out what people's TRUE thoughts are. Instead of those who conform and go with the flow... :)

[Tolkien]

In a way, I kind of like this no names poll. That way, we can't go turning this into another "why are you voting for him?" thread. lol. This way, we at least get to see how many people here are voting and who are they voting for, without having to name names.

[Big-Lead5]

I didnt vote in the last election.I wont make that same mistake his time. Obama hopefuly will win

[JT3294]

In a way, I kind of like this no names poll. That way, we can't go turning this into another "why are you voting for him?" thread. lol. This way, we at least get to see how many people here are voting and who are they voting for, without having to name names.

It adds an air of mystery to it... the conspiracy junkies are going to go bonkers lol.

And so far it's pretty much going as I expected lol

[Frizzo the Clown]

In order to get a more accurate cross-section, lets try to keep the poll limited to those that are eligible and registered to vote in the United States. If you're underage or not from the US, your opinion is, of course, welcome, but lets not skew the results if you can't vote anyway. ;)

[JT3294]

In order to get a more accurate cross-section, lets try to keep the poll limited to those that are eligible and registered to vote in the United States. If you're underage or not from the US, your opinion is, of course, welcome, but lets not skew the results if you can't vote anyway. ;)

Damn... good call Friz lol. I didn't even think about that lol. I'm sure the poll has already suffered from it... though... perhaps we should reset it?

[Ewok Droppings]

Would anyone really be surprised by the outcome of this vote? It's not an accurate depiction of anything.

[JT3294]

It's an accurate depiction of the CS Population... not the "real" population lol. Thank God it's not up to strictly us CS savants lol.

On a side note... whoever put not voting... vote lol. At least say SOMETHING! If you don't vote then you can't justify bragging or complaining... and by God that's the American Way!

[Ewok Droppings]

I have a feeling that DickFire just posted this so he could post sh** about his fanboy love of Obama. What a hack.

[Frizzo the Clown]

Damnit. Thats enough. No more name calling, got it? Next time it happens, there will be someone's going on probation. I'm sick of this ****.

[Ewok Droppings]

This has been a constant throughout the election threads. I honestly don't even know why we have them. I don't think people are capable of having a serious debate about issues without calling others extremists and other names. I'm guilty as well - no doubt. Honestly though, these threads are simply a joke. Close them all because they aren't ever constructive.

[JT3294]

This has been a constant throughout the election threads. I honestly don't even know why we have them. I don't think people are capable of having a serious debate about issues without calling others extremists and other names. I'm guilty as well - no doubt. Honestly though, these threads are simply a joke. Close them all because they aren't ever constructive.

But they sure are fun :) lol.

Seriously though. I'm with ya Frizzo. I'm curious to see how long we can go before SOMEONE slips up and calls someone a :nono: word... don't close it yet lol. Let's make this a social experiment.

[Tiger Lily]

This has been a constant throughout the election threads. I honestly don't even know why we have them. I don't think people are capable of having a serious debate about issues without calling others extremists and other names. I'm guilty as well - no doubt. Honestly though, these threads are simply a joke. Close them all because they aren't ever constructive.

haha youre just mad cause Frizzo yelled at you. only name calling ive seen really is the people making fun of liberals. and JT calling me retarded every chance he gets but i know its from the heart. DickFire has a nice ring to it though, its better than his real name :(

jk i love your real name

[Ewok Droppings]

LOL - you have to be blind not to see people calling names other than against liberals. That's ridiculous.

[JT3294]

haha youre just mad cause Frizzo yelled at you. only name calling ive seen really is the people making fun of liberals. and JT calling me retarded every chance he gets but i know its from the heart. DickFire has a nice ring to it though, its better than his real name :(

jk i love your real name

Yeah but... I got over my rage issues...

Sometimes... I'm like a tiger and some people keep plucking my hairs with tweezers... sooner or later I'm gonna bite lol....

P.S.

Grooowwwl :)

[Tiger Lily]

LOL - you have to be blind not to see people calling names other than against liberals. That's ridiculous.

sure theres more. but ive seen more people making fun of liberals. i dont even know what a liberal is

[Ewok Droppings]

Yeah - I know.

[JT3294]

Yeah - I know.

:lol:

Beautiful restraint lmao

[Tiger Lily]

Yeah - I know.

you caught me :(

i only like talking about hookers and homos.

[Ewok Droppings]

Then why don't you post in the Hookers and Pizza thread?

[DAN!]

i dont even know what a liberal is

depends on who you ask

[JT3294]

Then why don't you post in the Hookers and Pizza thread?

Careful dude... she's got them tweezers out lol. Don't let her provoke the animal instinct to rip her limb from limb :) lol.

Oh and... there's a Pizza thread?? lol

[Tiger Lily]

depends on who you ask

what is a liberal, to you

[JT3294]

http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/US_presidential_candidate_John_McCain_now_leads_sl ightly_in_the_polls

Just ya know... to let y'all know.

But I know... "the polls mean nothing". :rolleyes:

FYI... That's wikinews not FOX or CNN or MSNBC or anything like that.

Results came from Rasmussen and Zogby... so we can probably put the "McCain is desperate" argument to bed before it starts :meanie:

[DAN!]

what is a liberal, to you

I consider myself a liberal, but a liberal in the sense that George Washington believed in. That is giving to the people. Such as giving them freedom and power. Most liberals in the modern sense like big government and high taxing which doesn't really follow the old school sense. Most people today consider liberals progressives, even though they don't really do that much that is progressive. they are full of ideas, but never get anything done

http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/US_presidential_candidate_John_McCain_now_leads_sl ightly_in_the_polls

Just ya know... to let y'all know.

But I know... "the polls mean nothing". :rolleyes:

FYI... That's wikinews not FOX or CNN or MSNBC or anything like that.

Results came from Rasmussen and Zogby... so we can probably put the "McCain is desperate" argument to bed before it starts :meanie:

The polls mean nothing. The media has seriously been way off the past two elections

[Ewok Droppings]

Edit: wrong thread

[sshuttari]

Republicans have screwed up this country so much... I don't think I'll ever vote for em.

I'm actually kind of embarrased at the thought my family was all gung ho for em back in 2000.

yeah I'm going Obama and If something happens that I don't end up liking him in the end. I am going to steer clear of anything that is voting this year.

[JT3294]

I consider myself a liberal, but a liberal in the sense that George Washington believed in. That is giving to the people. Such as giving them freedom and power. Most liberals in the modern sense like big government and high taxing which doesn't really follow the old school sense. Most people today consider liberals progressives, even though they don't really do that much that is progressive. they are full of ideas, but never get anything done



The polls mean nothing. The media has seriously been way off the past two elections

I almost totally agree with that first part.

On the poll thing though... I DO agree that polls are meaningless right now... I was MOSTLY posting it there because there have been a ton of claims that "Obama is so far ahead in the polls that McCain picked Palin out of desperation."

Just showing that's not the case.

But polls are not COMPLETELY meaningless. Not those polls anyway. I agree that media polls are... but polls like Rasmussen are more reliable more often (granted not this early lol, but still).

[JT3294]

Republicans have screwed up this country so much... I don't think I'll ever vote for em.

I'm actually kind of embarrased at the thought my family was all gung ho for em back in 2000.

yeah I'm going Obama and If something happens that I don't end up liking him in the end. I am going to steer clear of anything that is voting this year.

I ALMOST hope Obama wins... so that we can see what happens.

I HOPE that it would be for the best but I can't help that feel that a year into his term... people would look at each other and say... "This is all your fault" (as his supporters typically do lol)

That's why I'm independent. I'd RATHER McCain win... but I'm not going to mope around and pout if Obama does. I just really don't care cause there's no reversing the descent that, not just America but the world, has slipped into.

There is NO CANDIDATE ON EARTH that could pull us outta the trouble that we're already in... so I'm just going with the one that is either going to slow the fall or make the landing much softer lol.

Oh and Clinton didn't do anything to help... so you can't point your finger solely at Republicans. He allowed the terrorists to operate (and attack) without any threat of repercussions. If ANY is to blame for things like 9/11... it's the man who allowed so many terrorist attacks on us without retaliation... William Jefferson Clinton.

(For the record... I DON'T think anyone is to blame for 9/11 and the current state except for Jyhad extremists)

[Necross]

Then why don't you post in the Hookers and Pizza thread?

Hookers and Pizza? Is that like Porn and Fried Chicken?

[JT3294]

Hookers and Pizza? Is that like Porn and Fried Chicken?

I'm hear to tell ya... watching porn while eating fried chicken is quite convenient and economical! (Well AFTER eating the fried chicken anyway :redface:)

[Doomsday]

Although I would like to see McCain win, I think him losing would be great for Republicans, because hopefully then they could go back to their conservative base. If a real conservative were running on the Republican ticket, they would crush Obama, who is really just a pretty face. This election is simply "McCain or no McCain," because you could put a broom on the Democratic ticket and there would still be people voting for it just so they won't vote for a Republican.

[JT3294]

Although I would like to see McCain win, I think him losing would be great for Republicans, because hopefully then they could go back to their conservative base. If a real conservative were running on the Republican ticket, they would crush Obama, who is really just a pretty face. This election is simply "McCain or no McCain," because you could put a broom on the Democratic ticket and there would still be people voting for it just so they won't vote for a Republican.

Truer words have never been spoken lol. :lol:

[DAN!]

Although I would like to see McCain win, I think him losing would be great for Republicans, because hopefully then they could go back to their conservative base. If a real conservative were running on the Republican ticket, they would crush Obama, who is really just a pretty face. This election is simply "McCain or no McCain," because you could put a broom on the Democratic ticket and there would still be people voting for it just so they won't vote for a Republican.


That is the truth. Any true conservative would crush both these guys.

[Necross]

Sooooo, ok, this is the new election thread now eh? Was the election thread closed because people were getting outta hand or for some other reason? Just wondering because if it was people getting outta hand you DO realize this is Election thread II :P

[JT3294]

I think if Obama wins... it would be the WORST thing for the Democratic Party. America will realize that Obama is a fraud and that he was all talk. He WON'T change jack and will make us look weak to a world where we NEED to look like the bullies.

Obama won't get reelected and the country will swing massively to the Right after seeing that the Democrats put the safety of this country in jeopardy just outta spite of the Republicans and JUST to save their own skins.

Another Democrat won't be elected for YEARS to the Presidency if Obama wins a term. The man has NOTHING to offer except a pleasant voice and a charming smile.

But that's just my evaluation on the future if Obama wins lol.

[DAN!]

Sooooo, ok, this is the new election thread now eh? Was the election thread closed because people were getting outta hand or for some other reason? Just wondering because if it was people getting outta hand you DO realize this is Election thread II :P



i think it was both.

[JT3294]

Sooooo, ok, this is the new election thread now eh? Was the election thread closed because people were getting outta hand or for some other reason? Just wondering because if it was people getting outta hand you DO realize this is Election thread II :P

It was Ewoks fault (:P J/K man lol)

[JT3294]

Here's my view on politics lol. And why I believe Trey Parker and Matt Stone should be Prez and Vice Prez...

I'm gonna wrap it in spoilers cause... well... it's from Team America lol. You've been warned lol. I've done LOTS of censoring lol.

[Gary is drinking his depression away]
Gary Johnston: I'm a d**k!

Drunk guy: Well, being a d**k ain't so bad. See, there's three kinds of people: d**ks, pu***es, and a***oles. P***ies think everyone can get along, and d**ks just wanna f**k all the time without thinking it through. But then you got your a***oles, Chuck. And all the a***oles want is to s**t all over everything! So, p***ies may get mad at d**ks once in a while, because... p***ies get f**ked by d**ks. But d**ks also-f**k-a***oles, Chuck. And if they didn't f**k the a***oles, you know what you'd get? You'd get your d**k AND your p***y all covered in s**t!

[Gary pukes]


[Gary Johnston is pelted with rotten tomatoes]

Alec Baldwin: [To Gary] You cant out-act me, boy: don't even try it! [to audience] For the truth is: Team America fights for the billion-dollar corporations. They are just as bad as the enemies... they... [dramatic pause] fight. [applause]

Gary Johnston: Oh, no, we aren't! We're d**ks! [surprise from audience] We're reckless, arrogant, stupid d**ks. And the Film Actors Guild... are p***ies. And Kim Jong Il... is an a***ole. P***ies don't like d**ks, because p***ies get f**ked by d**ks. But d**ks - also - f**k - a***oles... a***oles who just wanna s**t on everything. P***ies may think they can deal with a***oles their way. But the only thing that can f**k an a***ole... is a d**k... with some balls. The problem with d**ks is, sometimes they f**k too much or f**k when it isn't appropriate...

Spottswoode: Yes, Gary, yes!

Gary Johnston: ...and it takes a p***y to show 'em that. But sometimes, p***ies get so full of s**t that they become a***oles themselves... because p***ies are only an inch and half away from *******s. [music of awe] I don't know much in this crazy, crazy world, but I do know: If you don't let us f**k - this - a***ole, we're going to have our d**ks and our p***ies [music hesitates] all covered in s**t! [music of more awe and triumph. applause fades in]


The bold part is my favorite...

And that's about my stance on the whole Republican/Democrat thing lol.

Dare I say... Fair and Balanced lol

[JT3294]

You know what... I want to change my vote lol. I know the candidate I WANT to win WON'T... but I think I'm gonna vote for him anyway lol.

I'm kinda torn now... since McCain or Obama WILL win, I feel that I should vote for the one I'd rather see... I just don't see the point in voting any other party (even IF I'd like to see another candidate win lol).

[Ewok Droppings]

Republicans have screwed up this country so much... I don't think I'll ever vote for em.


I'm not exactly sure why you blame all that has happened that's gone wrong on the republicans. Are they to blame - sure, about 50%. I think our country has just become nasty politically and politicians are the true ones to blame. The pursuit of power and everything associated with it brings out the worst in people. What's worse is that our country is filled with people who really have no idea about anything to do with the issues, but they jump on one side or the other and suddenly it's the gospel truth because that's "their candidate". It's not like sports where you choose sides and it's really arbitrary, people have taken their politics to a crazy level both republicans and democrats alike.

[sshuttari]

I'm not exactly sure why you blame all that has happened that's gone wrong on the republicans. Are they to blame - sure, about 50%. I think our country has just become nasty politically and politicians are the true ones to blame. The pursuit of power and everything associated with it brings out the worst in people. What's worse is that our country is filled with people who really have no idea about anything to do with the issues, but they jump on one side or the other and suddenly it's the gospel truth because that's "their candidate". It's not like sports where you choose sides and it's really arbitrary, people have taken their politics to a crazy level both republicans and democrats alike.

Your right, you can't say republicans are evil and the dems are here to save the day and there the good. The world obviously doesn't work like that. But I do think we have to switch parties at this point and see what the democrats do.

Hopefully if we bring in new blood they can fix some of the damage.

[JT3294]

Your right, you can't say republicans are evil and the dems are here to save the day and there the good. The world obviously doesn't work like that. But I do think we have to switch parties at this point and see what the democrats do.

Hopefully if we bring in new blood they can fix some of the damage.

I'm not so sure that ANY Republican or Democrat is gonna fix jack. If we want things to change then we're gonna have to have an Independent President (and that's about as likely as having a Martian President).

I almost feel that way though. I have this morbid curiosity to see what happens if Obama wins it. I REALLY want to be able to say, "See, I told ya so" to all the Republican haters and Obama Fanboys lol.

[Tolkien]

So we're renting apartments now, huh? Never in one place for too long? Always moving, taking the debates and discussions along for the ride? Well do me a favor and lets all keep this on-going political war the f**k out of the "Saga" thread, okay? Thank you all and good night... Not picking sides here, just standing in my circle... alone... well... maybe with a hot woman and a cold glass of ice tea... Okay and maybe an arm chair to sit back and relax in... And maybe a big screen tv and oh, my PS3... And my movie collection... You know what, f**k you guys I'm going home!

[JT3294]

So we're renting apartments now, huh? Never in one place for too long? Always moving, taking the debates and discussions along for the ride? Well do me a favor and lets all keep this on-going political war the f**k out of the "Saga" thread, okay? Thank you all and good night... Not picking sides here, just standing in my circle... alone... well... maybe with a hot woman and a cold glass of ice tea... Okay and maybe an arm chair to sit back and relax in... And maybe a big screen tv and oh, my PS3... And my movie collection... You know what, f**k you guys I'm going home!

I'm so confused right now lol.

[Tolkien]

That's the idea... If I confuse you guys beyond intelligent understanding, then you'll all forget about this political war here, lol.


Like everytime someone says I hate McCain, I reply by saying I love eggs.

When someone says Obama is just a pretty face, I reply by asking why isn't the sky purple.


;)

[JT3294]

I like eggs too!!! :cool:



Wait a minute... what were we talking about??? :confused:


Lol :P

[Steve from Indy]

Although I would like to see McCain win, I think him losing would be great for Republicans, because hopefully then they could go back to their conservative base. If a real conservative were running on the Republican ticket, they would crush Obama, who is really just a pretty face. This election is simply "McCain or no McCain," because you could put a broom on the Democratic ticket and there would still be people voting for it just so they won't vote for a Republican.

Um...have you forgotten that it was the Republicans that nominated McCain? My god, there was a former preacher that ran against him (a Governor no less) that people seemed to like, that couldn't have possibly been more conservative. So obviously that's not what the majority of Republicans are looking for. They want someone that they think can win.

And I hope you aren't saying that Republicans don't also vote down party lines. You aren't, are you?

Also, why would say Obama is just a pretty face? He graduated from Columbia and Harvard, taught constitutional law, was the president of the Harvard Law Review, and was also a practicing attorney. You can disagree with his positions, but how can you seriously say he's just a pretty face?

[Steve from Indy]

The man has NOTHING to offer except a pleasant voice and a charming smile.

See, I just don't understand that. Why would you say that? He's obviously intelligent and well read. Can you please explain why you believe that?

[JT3294]

Um...have you forgotten that it was the Republicans that nominated McCain? My god, there was a former preacher that ran against him (a Governor no less) that people seemed to like, that couldn't have possibly been more conservative. So obviously that's not what the majority of Republicans are looking for. They want someone that they think can win.

And I hope you aren't saying that Republicans don't also vote down party lines. You aren't, are you?

Also, why would say Obama is just a pretty face? He graduated from Columbia and Harvard, taught constitutional law, was the president of the Harvard Law Review, and was also a practicing attorney. You can disagree with his positions, but how can you seriously say he's just a pretty face?


Actually... most Republicans DON'T like McCain. The Republicans may have nominated him... but they did it because the PEOPLE like him. Republican politicians don't like him because he is not your standard Republican. I'm pretty sure he meant Republican politicians there... cause they generally don't like him all that much.

The Republicans are so disliked right now that people would vote for ANYONE to get Rep. out of office. The Republicans need to be a little more choosie about it. The world associates Republicans with Dubya... so that's why you could nominate a broom for the Dems and they'd take it because it's gotta be better than a Republican. If a Dem had been office when the country went in the s**tter... it be the opposite. Right now, the Dems SHOULD pretty much be able to sit back and wait for the presidency... yet somehow they keep sabotaging themselves and making Obama work for it lol.

And Obama... IS a pretty face lol. He is as qualified to be President as Johnnie Cochran and every other attorney in America... except Obama has 1 year experience in the Senate. Just because he graduated from Columbia and Harvard, taught constitutional law, was the president of the Harvard Law Review, and was also a practicing attorney... that don't make him president worthy cause if it did there'd be thousands of attorneys (with the same credits as those) that are "qualified" to be president... he's pretty much a pretty face and charming voice.

[JT3294]

See, I just don't understand that. Why would you say that? He's obviously intelligent and well read. Can you please explain why you believe that?

I'm intelligent and well read... but there is NO WAY I should be president.

Why is being intelligent and well read a qualifier? <------- That is the definition of a "pretty face/charming voice".

Dems loved him from the day they met him because he was charming and appealed to young people... and they knew that young people would win the next presidency. They recruited him to be president the day he started running for the Senate.

[Steve from Indy]

I'm intelligent and well read... but there is NO WAY I should be president.

Why is being intelligent and well read a qualifier? <------- That is the definition of a "pretty face/charming voice".

Dems loved him from the day they met him because he was charming and appealed to young people... and they knew that young people would win the next presidency. They recruited him to be president the day he started running for the Senate.

Your last paragraph is meaningless to my question; I'm not interested in that.

Why can't you be President? I agree that it would be nice to have a President with loads of experience, but I really fail to see how not having that experience should disqualify a person. If you are intelligent enough, and a good enough of a leader, then why not be the President? I think intelligence is a great qualifier. The lack of intelligence or leadership is what should disqualify someone in my book.

And you will need to explain how intelligence and being well read equates to a "pretty face/charming voice". I'm afraid I don't see it.

[DAN!]

Um...have you forgotten that it was the Republicans that nominated McCain?



it was the masses that voted in both obama and mccain. All the more well educated people voted otherwise. The masses voted for mccain because of iraq and the masses voted for obama because of "change." but most of the educated people are sick of the iraq war and are more concerned with other things and the educated dems see obama's change as the same old politics. He just sugarcoats it. both candates promise change in washington, and anyone that thinks either one is going to bring it is a fool. And it is pretty easy to fool the masses

[sabin26]

I think if Obama wins... it would be the WORST thing for the Democratic Party. America will realize that Obama is a fraud and that he was all talk. He WON'T change jack and will make us look weak to a world where we NEED to look like the bullies.

Obama won't get reelected and the country will swing massively to the Right after seeing that the Democrats put the safety of this country in jeopardy just outta spite of the Republicans and JUST to save their own skins.

Another Democrat won't be elected for YEARS to the Presidency if Obama wins a term. The man has NOTHING to offer except a pleasant voice and a charming smile.

But that's just my evaluation on the future if Obama wins lol.

You mean like what happened after Carter was in office?

I voted McCain/Palin.

[Steve from Indy]

Actually... most Republicans DON'T like McCain. The Republicans may have nominated him... but they did it because the PEOPLE like him. Republican politicians don't like him because he is not your standard Republican. I'm pretty sure he meant Republican politicians there... cause they generally don't like him all that much.

The Republicans are so disliked right now that people would vote for ANYONE to get Rep. out of office. The Republicans need to be a little more choosie about it. The world associates Republicans with Dubya... so that's why you could nominate a broom for the Dems and they'd take it because it's gotta be better than a Republican. If a Dem had been office when the country went in the s**tter... it be the opposite. Right now, the Dems SHOULD pretty much be able to sit back and wait for the presidency... yet somehow they keep sabotaging themselves and making Obama work for it lol.

And Obama... IS a pretty face lol. He is as qualified to be President as Johnnie Cochran and every other attorney in America... except Obama has 1 year experience in the Senate. Just because he graduated from Columbia and Harvard, taught constitutional law, was the president of the Harvard Law Review, and was also a practicing attorney... that don't make him president worthy cause if it did there'd be thousands of attorneys (with the same credits as those) that are "qualified" to be president... he's pretty much a pretty face and charming voice.

Ok, so, if an attorney was smart enough to understand foreign and domestic policy, why not vote for him or her? I just don't understand this hardon for experience, like that somehow instantly makes you a better President.

You guys are making him out to be some doofus that can't add 2 + 2. You're not even willing to discuss his platform? And why do you say he only has 1 year of experience in the Senate? That's factually inaccurate.

[FranklinTard]

and last i checked johnny cochran is dead. so hes not very qualified...

[Ewok Droppings]

Your right, you can't say republicans are evil and the dems are here to save the day and there the good. The world obviously doesn't work like that. But I do think we have to switch parties at this point and see what the democrats do.

Hopefully if we bring in new blood they can fix some of the damage.

But we've switched parties in the house and senate and the government has always run best when it's not a majority in all three. It becomes too lopsided and things get out of control. Doesn't matter which party, it's best to have a balance. Even though power has been switched in the house and senate - look at their approval ratings. It's not going to magically become a land of peace and prosperity if either party gets a 3-way majority (house, senate, presidency). Honestly - I would hope that it would never happen again.

[Justin]

Correct.

[DAN!]

Ok, so, if an attorney was smart enough to understand foreign and domestic policy, why not vote for him or her? I just don't understand this hardon for experience, like that somehow instantly makes you a better President.

You guys are making him out to be some doofus that can't add 2 + 2. You're not even willing to discuss his platform? And why do you say he only has 1 year of experience in the Senate? That's factually inaccurate.

understanding foriegn policy and being the leader of the free world are two different things. Obama has no leadership experience, which is the number one thing people usually look for in a leader. Why would you vote some one in as a leader of a major country who has NO leadership experience? That would be like taking a lawyer who has 3 years of divorce law experience with nothing that went to trial, and putting him into a huge murder case. That would never happen. If you want to represent someone in a murder trial, you have to have trial experience. If you want to be the leader of america, you should have leadership experience. it is that simple.

When you have experience, you make mistakes during that time. If you are smart, you learn from it. Obama is smart and i am sure he can learn from experience. But he has none to learn from. He will be making rookie mistakes with the biggest job in the world. And that is a terrible idea.

[Boiiinng]

And Obama... IS a pretty face lol. He is as qualified to be President as Johnnie Cochran and every other attorney in America... except Obama has 1 year experience in the Senate. Just because he graduated from Columbia and Harvard, taught constitutional law, was the president of the Harvard Law Review, and was also a practicing attorney... that don't make him president worthy cause if it did there'd be thousands of attorneys (with the same credits as those) that are "qualified" to be president... he's pretty much a pretty face and charming voice.

Then push forward for a presidential IQ and proficiency test.

Because until that happens, this stands:

No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.

[Steve from Indy]

understanding foriegn policy and being the leader of the free world are two different things. Obama has no leadership experience, which is the number one thing people usually look for in a leader. Why would you vote some one in as a leader of a major country who has NO leadership experience? That would be like taking a lawyer who has 3 years of divorce law experience with nothing that went to trial, and putting him into a huge murder case. That would never happen. If you want to represent someone in a murder trial, you have to have trial experience. If you want to be the leader of america, you should have leadership experience. it is that simple.

When you have experience, you make mistakes during that time. If you are smart, you learn from it. Obama is smart and i am sure he can learn from experience. But he has none to learn from. He will be making rookie mistakes with the biggest job in the world. And that is a terrible idea.

Great, don't vote for him then. That Lincoln guy should probably be removed form historical records then, because he couldn't possibly have been a good President without "leadership experience".

[DAN!]

Great, don't vote for him then. That Lincoln guy should probably be removed form historical records then, because he couldn't possibly have been a good President without "leadership experience".

Lincoln is a very rare exception who was a genius. Obama doesn't have any of the qualities that lincoln had. I studied lincoln's speeches for 2 semesters and his ideas and philosophy was much more than obama's "hope" and "change." Lincolns speeches had real substance. If you put the transcripts together, lincoln is head and shoulder's above obama.

oh, by the way. Lincoln had leadership experience.

[DragnFire22]

I have a feeling that DickFire just posted this so he could post sh** about his fanboy love of Obama. What a hack.

This was extremely unnecessary, and a fine display of your immaturity. I created this thread as a response to clamoring in the other thread, and to get a gauge on the current race.

[Steve from Indy]

Lincoln is a very rare exception who was a genius. Obama doesn't have any of the qualities that lincoln had. I studied lincoln's speeches for 2 semesters and his ideas and philosophy was much more than obama's "hope" and "change." Lincolns speeches had real substance. If you put the transcripts together, lincoln is head and shoulder's above obama.

oh, by the way. Lincoln had leadership experience.

Ah hell, no point in saying anything else. Everyone thinks I'm nuts anyways.

[Doomsday]

Um...have you forgotten that it was the Republicans that nominated McCain? My god, there was a former preacher that ran against him (a Governor no less) that people seemed to like, that couldn't have possibly been more conservative. So obviously that's not what the majority of Republicans are looking for. They want someone that they think can win.

And I hope you aren't saying that Republicans don't also vote down party lines. You aren't, are you?



I think it was stated already, but many conservatives (not necessarily Republicans) don't like McCain. He is much more toward the middle than most of the other candidates, which us good for the election, but as we saw did not make the conservative base happy. But in terms of the election, one leg up he has on Obama is that he already has pandered to many moderates, which eventually becomes a goal during Presidential elections, whereas Obama has to come down from his far left liberal stances and try to do the same thing.



Also, why would say Obama is just a pretty face? He graduated from Columbia and Harvard, taught constitutional law, was the president of the Harvard Law Review, and was also a practicing attorney. You can disagree with his positions, but how can you seriously say he's just a pretty face?

But this goes back to the entire qualification debate. It's easy for me to say 'oh he isn't qualified,' and a rebuttal can be 'well those aren't what make a good leader.' We could also switch roles and say the same about Sarah Palin. The difference between those two is that Palin isn't running for President. Any other arguments like 'well McCain could die' are simply hypothetical and don't help any argument. I mean, my dad has a law degree, has sat on several boards from big companies to charities, and has done very well for himself. Would that make him a good President, even though he has not once ran for office? Maybe, but I would rather go for someone with political experience rather than him, and he's my own dad. Obama is a gamble, plain and simple. Nobody, Democrats or Republicans, knows what they're getting with him. It's kinda scary if you ask me.

[Ewok Droppings]

This was extremely unnecessary, and a fine display of your immaturity. I created this thread as a response to clamoring in the other thread, and to get a gauge on the current race.

And you trolling around calling me an extremist is a classic example of your maturity I suppose. And just FYI - it's not a good way to gauge what's going on with the current race. But nice try.

[Colquhoun]

I did hear a fairly cohesive argument FOR McCain the other night from one of the most respected bartenders in the world. I only wish I could remember it!

[DragnFire22]

And you trolling around calling me an extremist is a classic example of your maturity I suppose. And just FYI - it's not a good way to gauge what's going on with the current race. But nice try.

1. I was not "trolling around" calling you a extremist. I called you an extremist, because that is what I believe you to be, based on the adamant beliefs you have (unfortunately) laid out in the other thread. I am sorry if you are offended by being called an extremist, but I do not think you can seriously consider yourself anywhere near to being a moderate, based on what you have said.

2. This is an excellent way to gauge the current race, it is a poll. How else would you gauge it? Did I say it will be the perfect way to see how the election will go nationally? No. But having a poll where members of this board (a board for which there is no reason to assume a leaning either left of right) cast their vote is a good way to gauge how members of this board will vote on November 4th.

You really need to just chill out about this whole discussion.

[Tiger Lily]

i dont get the difference between republicans and democrats, arent they kind of the same thing?

[Knerys]

It's all in the details.

I say get rid of the party system!!!!

[Tiger Lily]

It's all in the details.

I say get rid of the party system!!!!

yea, they all seem like buttholes. i want to be cool like the UK and have kings and queens

[Ewok Droppings]

1. I was not "trolling around" calling you a extremist. I called you an extremist, because that is what I believe you to be, based on the adamant beliefs you have (unfortunately) laid out in the other thread. I am sorry if you are offended by being called an extremist, but I do not think you can seriously consider yourself anywhere near to being a moderate, based on what you have said.

2. This is an excellent way to gauge the current race, it is a poll. How else would you gauge it? Did I say it will be the perfect way to see how the election will go nationally? No. But having a poll where members of this board (a board for which there is no reason to assume a leaning either left of right) cast their vote is a good way to gauge how members of this board will vote on November 4th.

You really need to just chill out about this whole discussion.
A proper way to "gauge" how the election is really going is to currently post updated national polls and their changes (i.e. gallup, rasmussen, etc.). This board is nowhere near a proper sample group of registered voters - considering some votes are from people who can't even vote due to age, nationality or what have you. Not to mention that this is a pretty specific crowd.

And by the way - as for being an extremist - I'm the guy that slammed Huckaphony and called him out as crap even though he was an Baptist minister. Does being pro-life make someone an "extremist" now? Just because I differ from my view of yours, that makes me an "extremist"? You do realize that around 1/3 of the entire country according to Gallup believes that abortion should be illegal. Not to mention that over 50% of the country believes that gay marriage should not be legalized. Is over half our country "extremists" also? Is everyone an extremist that doesn't believe in your view? If so - you live in a country of over 50% extremists. I would suggest you move.

[Ewok Droppings]

yea, they all seem like buttholes. i want to be cool like the UK and have kings and queens

Because that's exactly what our founding fathers wanted too! Great idea! ;)

[Tiger Lily]

Because that's exactly what our founding fathers wanted too! Great idea! ;)

who cares, theyre dead. and wore wigs. i want wigs :(

plus life isnt the same as it was then, let's try to move forward

[Ewok Droppings]

who cares, theyre dead. and wore wigs. i want wigs :(

plus life isnt the same as it was then, let's try to move forward

By moving backwards?

[DragnFire22]

A proper way to "gauge" how the election is really going is to currently post updated national polls and their changes (i.e. gallup, rasmussen, etc.). This board is nowhere near a proper sample group of registered voters - considering some votes are from people who can't even vote due to age, nationality or what have you. Not to mention that this is a pretty specific crowd.


If you read what I wrote, you would see that I did not intend this poll to gauge how the election is going to be nationally. And if you think so, I urge you to point out exactly where that happened.

And by the way - as for being an extremist - I'm the guy that slammed Huckaphony and called him out as crap even though he was an Baptist minister. Does being pro-life make someone an "extremist" now? Just because I differ from my view of yours, that makes me an "extremist"? You do realize that around 1/3 of the entire country according to Gallup believes that abortion should be illegal. Not to mention that over 50% of the country believes that gay marriage should not be legalized. Is over half our country "extremists" also? Is everyone an extremist that doesn't believe in your view? If so - you live in a country of over 50% extremists. I would suggest you move.

Quit trying to compare yourself to the rest of your country. Extremism is a matter of opinion. I know that some people would call me a left-wing extremist because I want legal gay marriage and legal abortions. I think you're an extremist because of your views, just like i think Osama Bin Laden is an extremist. You aren't as evil as Bin Laden. Yet.

[Tiger Lily]

By moving backwards?

i forgot what we're talking about. kings and queens? fine, what do you suggest!

[Ewok Droppings]

Quit trying to compare yourself to the rest of your country. Extremism is a matter of opinion. I know that some people would call me a left-wing extremist because I want legal gay marriage and legal abortions. I think you're an extremist because of your views, just like i think Osama Bin Laden is an extremist. You aren't as evil as Bin Laden. Yet.

I can compare my views to the rest of the country genius, because they fall in line with a large part of the country. Is that really hard for you to figure out? So, let me ask you - since you have an opinion on this - exactly what are my opinions that make me such an extremists? I'm sure you are well versed in them since you can run your mouth about it. So, explain to me what they are. I'm interested.

[Justin]

It's all in the details.

I say get rid of the party system!!!!

I like the idea, but unfortunately the party system is much too strong to ever really remove from the United States. Even if we did, we would have voters who have held allegiance to a party and will forever hold that. There are various beliefs held strongly by each party and will forever be labeled and stereotyped into that party, whether or not the individual holds those set of beliefs or not. These ideologies will still be associated with either the Democrats or the Republicans -- thats what I'm saying.

I hope I'm not confusing. But in the end, both parties will end up screwing us in some shape or form -- we'll still have these idiots who blame everything on the Republicans and vice versa.

[Ewok Droppings]

i forgot what we're talking about. kings and queens? fine, what do you suggest!
I suggest we honor the Constitution the way it was intended. I'm an originalist believer (original intent) so I really don't think we should switch to a socialist society or anything of the sort, much less a monarchy.

[Tiger Lily]

I suggest we honor the Constitution the way it was intended. I'm an originalist believer (original intent) so I really don't think we should switch to a socialist society or anything of the sort, much less a monarchy.

do you still drive a horse and buggy?

[Frizzo the Clown]

And lets start by repealing every amendment.

[DragnFire22]

I can compare my views to the rest of the country genius, because they fall in line with a large part of the country. Is that really hard for you to figure out? So, let me ask you - since you have an opinion on this - exactly what are my opinions that make me such an extremists? I'm sure you are well versed in them since you can run your mouth about it. So, explain to me what they are. I'm interested.

I'm not replying to any demands from you until you man up and respond to my entire post.

[Ewok Droppings]

:funny: I knew you would pull some stupid crap like that. And what exactly am I supposed to respond to? Honestly - let's face it, you really don't know what you're talking about.

[Ewok Droppings]

And lets start by repealing every amendment.

Nope - that's not at all what original intent is about. Amendments have always been a part of the natural process. It's the bastardization of what's there and the interpretation thereof that's changed dramatically. For example, "Freedom of religion" was never meant to abolish all signs of religion within any sort of government building, office or meeting. It was however, intended to prevent an established state mandated religion forced upon the people such as the Church of England was at the time.

[Tiger Lily]

i dont feel very free, or united

[Ewok Droppings]

How do you feel oppressed?

[Tiger Lily]

How do you feel oppressed?

http://woodtv.images.worldnow.com/images/8957755_BG1.jpg

[DragnFire22]

If you read what I wrote, you would see that I did not intend this poll to gauge how the election is going to be nationally. And if you think so, I urge you to point out exactly where that happened.


I can compare my views to the rest of the country genius, because they fall in line with a large part of the country. Is that really hard for you to figure out? So, let me ask you - since you have an opinion on this - exactly what are my opinions that make me such an extremists? I'm sure you are well versed in them since you can run your mouth about it. So, explain to me what they are. I'm interested.

I'm not replying to any demands from you until you man up and respond to my entire post.

:funny: I knew you would pull some stupid crap like that. And what exactly am I supposed to respond to? Honestly - let's face it, you really don't know what you're talking about.

You're a coward. And how is it I don't know what I am talking about? I think you are an extremist because of your crazy conservative views.

Will you be voting for McCain?

[Ewok Droppings]

You're a coward. And how is it I don't know what I am talking about? I think you are an extremist because of your crazy conservative views.

Will you be voting for McCain?

LMAO - now you're calling me a coward? Why - because I asked you to tell me exactly what my "extremist" views are and you can't do it! :funny: You're hilarious. This is what I'm talking about genius, you have no clue what you're even saying. You don't even know what my views are, but yet because they are different than yours and because I'm not voting for Obama, I'm an "extremist". Who's the coward? Let's really debate if you want to - tell me what my extremist views are instead of just calling me names and then crying about it when someone calls you on it. Tell me smart guy - what makes me an extremist? Because I'm a conservative? What exactly is it?

So if I said I was going to vote for McCain, you would somehow try to use that to tell me I'm an extremist. I'll tell you what Einstein, since you know my views so well, why don't you tell me who I'm voting for. I've only posted it about a million times on these boards. I'll give you a hint - it's not what you would cop-out with. ;)

[Doomsday]

He's an extremist because he's conservative?

[Ewok Droppings]

I'm trying to figure out exactly how I'm an extremist. DragnFire will tell us though - he knows exactly what's going on. :)

[DragnFire22]

LMAO - now you're calling me a coward? Why - because I asked you to tell me exactly what my "extremist" views are and you can't do it! :funny: You're hilarious. This is what I'm talking about genius, you have no clue what you're even saying. You don't even know what my views are, but yet because they are different than yours and because I'm not voting for Obama, I'm an "extremist". Who's the coward? Let's really debate if you want to - tell me what my extremist views are instead of just calling me names and then crying about it when someone calls you on it. Tell me smart guy - what makes me an extremist? Because I'm a conservative? What exactly is it?

So if I said I was going to vote for McCain, you would somehow try to use that to tell me I'm an extremist. I'll tell you what Einstein, since you know my views so well, why don't you tell me who I'm voting for. I've only posted it about a million times on these boards. I'll give you a hint - it's not what you would cop-out with. ;)

i already told you why I think you're an extremist. You want to rob people of rights they deserve. Period.

and as much as I know you would love to think I hang on your every word, I have not seen you come out and say "I am voting for ______". So please, enlighten me. Unlike you, I'm not going to make an assumption.

[Ewok Droppings]

So "robbing" people of rights they deserve makes this country more than 50% extremists then right? These are your standards, and as I've already pointed out, more than 50% of the country is against gay marriage. So, I repeat - maybe you should move because you're literally surrounded by "extremists" on every block.

Go back and figure out who I'm voting for - I don't care to repeat it for a millionth time to someone who thinks he knows all my views in the first place.

[DragnFire22]

Are you scared to say who you are voting for?

And last I checked, more than 50% of people in the US do not want to overturn Roe v. Wade.

[sshuttari]

politics...

I say everyone vote for the green party :D

[Ewok Droppings]

Nope - depends on the tri-mester, but as I pointed out before it's about 1/3 (roughly). So, then if that's you're only litmus test for extremism, then our country is still 1/3 "extremists". But you didn't mention just abortion, you said "rights" which would also include gay rights.

And no - if I was scared to say who I was going to vote for I wouldn't have posted it a million times already. Are you too lazy to go look it up? I thought you knew my views so well. Why don't you already know?

[Frizzo the Clown]

Oh, for **** sake. The two of you need to pull your pants up and quit trying to prove who has the bigger dick.

[JT3294]

Here we go again... I got to sleep for a few hours and WHAMMY!

Your last paragraph is meaningless to my question; I'm not interested in that.

Why can't you be President? I agree that it would be nice to have a President with loads of experience, but I really fail to see how not having that experience should disqualify a person. If you are intelligent enough, and a good enough of a leader, then why not be the President? I think intelligence is a great qualifier. The lack of intelligence or leadership is what should disqualify someone in my book.

And you will need to explain how intelligence and being well read equates to a "pretty face/charming voice". I'm afraid I don't see it.

Intelligent and well read = "pretty face/charming voice" you REALLY don't see that?

I'm not holding that against him it's a great quality... but not if it's your SOLE quality. He's no different than any other cookie cut Democrat... he is just charming.

it was the masses that voted in both obama and mccain. All the more well educated people voted otherwise. The masses voted for mccain because of iraq and the masses voted for obama because of "change." but most of the educated people are sick of the iraq war and are more concerned with other things and the educated dems see obama's change as the same old politics. He just sugarcoats it. both candates promise change in washington, and anyone that thinks either one is going to bring it is a fool. And it is pretty easy to fool the masses

Glad to see I'm not the only one who gets it. lol

You mean like what happened after Carter was in office?

I voted McCain/Palin.

EXACTLY like Carter... anyone who thinks Bush will go down in history as the worst president (even worse than Carter) needs a history lesson. Bush was not great... but in time I BET history shows he was one of the better ones.

Ok, so, if an attorney was smart enough to understand foreign and domestic policy, why not vote for him or her? I just don't understand this hardon for experience, like that somehow instantly makes you a better President.

You guys are making him out to be some doofus that can't add 2 + 2. You're not even willing to discuss his platform? And why do you say he only has 1 year of experience in the Senate? That's factually inaccurate.

Experience doesn't make you a better president NECESSARILY... however its better to have it than to not have it.

And no... that's not factually inaccurate... he has probably a total of 1 year working experience in the Senate. The "work" he did in the senate is equal probably to one year... he has NOTHING to show for his tenure as a Senator except that all it was for was to make him appear to the public as The Chosen One.

and last i checked johnny cochran is dead. so hes not very qualified...

I know that you......... nevermind.

understanding foriegn policy and being the leader of the free world are two different things. Obama has no leadership experience, which is the number one thing people usually look for in a leader. Why would you vote some one in as a leader of a major country who has NO leadership experience? That would be like taking a lawyer who has 3 years of divorce law experience with nothing that went to trial, and putting him into a huge murder case. That would never happen. If you want to represent someone in a murder trial, you have to have trial experience. If you want to be the leader of america, you should have leadership experience. it is that simple.

When you have experience, you make mistakes during that time. If you are smart, you learn from it. Obama is smart and i am sure he can learn from experience. But he has none to learn from. He will be making rookie mistakes with the biggest job in the world. And that is a terrible idea.

That is a brilliant analogy Dan. Thank you :)

Great, don't vote for him then. That Lincoln guy should probably be removed form historical records then, because he couldn't possibly have been a good President without "leadership experience".

Lincoln... you DO realize how disliked he was in the south... SOOOOO disliked he got killed? That's a pathetic example. To even suggest that relating America NOW to America in the 1850s-1870s is absolutely irrelevant. Something called the Civil War... maybe you've heard of it?

Ah hell, no point in saying anything else. Everyone thinks I'm nuts anyways.

:meanie:

who cares, theyre dead. and wore wigs. i want wigs :(

plus life isnt the same as it was then, let's try to move forward

By moving backwards?

:lol:

[sshuttari]

yeah.... we already know Frizzo will win everytime






;)

[Frizzo the Clown]

yeah.... we already know Frizzo will win everytime






;)
On the contrary. Mine is very, very tiny. I'm hung like a snow pea.

[JT3294]

On the contrary. Mine is very, very tiny. I'm hung like a snow pea.

It's pretty sad when a gerbil gives you penis envy lol.

[Ewok Droppings]

Oh, for **** sake. The two of you need to pull your pants up and quit trying to prove who has the bigger dick.

I'm not trying to prove anything. I just want to know why I got singled out as the "extremist" and obviously it wasn't for any good reason. If you're going to call someone out - have something to back it up. That is all. :)

[sshuttari]

I'm not trying to prove anything. I just want to know why I got singled out as the "extremist" and obviously it wasn't for any good reason. If you're going to call someone out - have something to back it up. That is all. :)

don't worry Ewok I'm sure a lot of us here don't find you an extremist.

Except of course a few individuals :P

[JT3294]

I'm not trying to prove anything. I just want to know why I got singled out as the "extremist" and obviously it wasn't for any good reason. If you're going to call someone out - have something to back it up. That is all. :)

Yeah... Eric Robert Rudolph was a Right Wing Extremist... is it bing implied that Ewok is blowing up abotion clinics and innocent people?

Cause that's just retarded... and since Ewok and I are similar in our views... I'd take offense as well :nono:

[Ewok Droppings]

I'm an extremist when it comes to the Denver Broncos. I've gone through several remotes during bad plays to prove it. ;)

[Tornado]

Yeah... Eric Robert Rudolph was a Right Wing Extremist... is it bing implied that Ewok is blowing up abotion clinics and innocent people?

Cause that's just retarded... and since Ewok and I are similar in our views... I'd take offense as well :nono:

Hey, what Ewok does with his time is his own business.

;)

[JT3294]

Hey, what Ewok does with his time is his own business.

;)

It makes perfect sense really... look at it from an extremist POV...

We don't want these women aborting and killing those babies... WE could blow up and abortion clinic and kill the women BEFORE they have an abortion! That would save their children!

That's the ticket!


Seriously... Rudolph, McVeigh, Kazinski... they are all extremists... to call Ewok extremist is a bit......... extreme?

[Tornado]

You guys really get into this debating don't you? ;)

[JT3294]

You guys really get into this debating don't you? ;)

you might say.... we're debating EXTREMISTS!!! :omg:

[Justin]

I didn't know they even had abortion clinics on Endor.

[JT3294]

I didn't know they even had abortion clinics on Endor.

:lol:

HAHAHAHA

After thinking about WTF that meant for a second it hit me like a ton of bricks...

I about busted a gut lol!!

[Tiger Lily]

On the contrary. Mine is very, very tiny. I'm hung like a snow pea.

thats not what JBond told me

[JT3294]

thats not what JBond told me

:meanie:

Lol, who'd have thunk that Tiger Lily can be somewhat pleasant and entertaining... when she's not being overly oppressive and aggressive lol.

[Tiger Lily]

:meanie:

Lol, who'd have thunk that Tiger Lily can be somewhat pleasant and entertaining... when she's not being overly oppressive and aggressive lol.

you met me in reverse. im usually nice and fun at first, then aggressive later.

[JT3294]

you met me in reverse. im usually nice and fun at first, then aggressive later.

And who's fault is that? :)

[Tiger Lily]

And who's fault is that? :)

yours, obviously

[Justin]

I blame it on the president.

[JT3294]

yours, obviously

Clearly lol :rolleyes:

I blame it on the president.

I blame conservatives in general lol :nono:

[Justin]

I actually find Tiger Lily to be charming in her own way. She isn't so bad.

[JT3294]

I actually find Tiger Lily to be charming in her own way. She isn't so bad.

I KNOW!!! I've been duped too! There's something... hypnotic about her eccentricities.... almost... ATTRACTIVE?!?!?!:omg:

[Tiger Lily]

maybe i should run for president?

[Justin]

And we all know what that campaign would be like.

[Tornado]

Interesting?

[JT3294]

Strange thing is... her and I have A LOT of the same views... I'm not not a dick about them lol.

Plus I gotta say... even though you were sloppy drunk in that picture... you were a pretty hot sloppy drunk lol. THAT'S always a plus in my book lol.

[Tiger Lily]

And we all know what that campaign would be like.

lol
http://i374.photobucket.com/albums/oo187/tigerlilymgd/tonguefight.jpg

[Justin]

Tiger Lily was a sloppy drunk?



Edit: you have my vote.

[JT3294]

DAMN! I'm at work and the picture won't load... send me a PM or something... what is it??? lol

[Ewok Droppings]

I didn't know they even had abortion clinics on Endor.

It's a recent thing. Ewok abortions are on the rise 28% in the last year alone. At this rate we'll never repopulate the planet.

[JT3294]

I blame those godd*mn Imperials.

[JT3294]

lol
http://i374.photobucket.com/albums/oo187/tigerlilymgd/tonguefight.jpg

Wait a minute... the title of that picture........ is tonguefight?

I need to be on my personal PC lol.

F**kin' work filters.

[DAN!]

I think it was stated already, but many conservatives (not necessarily Republicans) don't like McCain. .

exactly. The reason why mccain is in there is because the masses worry about iraq and they are leaning on his military service, and his reaching across the aisle to win the key states. A fiscal conservative would hate him. he is going to keep those bush tax cuts, but he is actually going to raise taxes on a ton of people, mostly people my age. It is still better than obama's tax policy, but still....

[Boiiinng]

And lets start by repealing every amendment.

New, new, new...new constitution! New, new, new...new constitution! :applaud:

[JT3294]

New, new, new...new constitution! New, new, new...new constitution! :applaud:

Seriously or Kidding?

EDIT: Please say kidding lol.

[DAN!]

I called you an extremist, because that is what I believe you to be, based on the adamant beliefs you have (unfortunately) laid out in the other thread. I am sorry if you are offended by being called an extremist, but I do not think you can seriously consider yourself anywhere near a moderate.

the word you are looking for is "partisan." That is what would fit a lot of people here. No one here is an extremist. A right wing extremist would be a fascist and a left wing extremist would be a communist. I doubt Ewok is a fascist. If he was, he would be at white supremacy rallies and he would be calling all gays to be thrown in jail for being gay.

What you are saying is like saying that if a christian believes everything that the religion says, they are extremists. Which isn't so. Just believing everything christian doesn't make you a christian extremist. Same for muslim. Believing everything islam doesn't make you an extremist. What makes them extremist is the day they suicide bomb for their cause or go to fight in the crusades. Then they are extremist.

Ewok pretty much follows the republican party's views, even though he doesn't like mccain. But that makes him partisan. Not extremist. extremist do a lot more than type on a forum in support of their party. they are out there and doing violent things and are making threats against the candidates, which has happened to both of them. If Ewok is an extremist, than i wonder what you would call the violent/threat making people..... super extremist? new term!

[Steve from Indy]

Intelligent and well read = "pretty face/charming voice" you REALLY don't see that?

I'm not holding that against him it's a great quality... but not if it's your SOLE quality. He's no different than any other cookie cut Democrat... he is just charming.

No, I don't see that; it doesn't make any sense. Very few of your comments make any sense. They're just ad hominem attacks. They are utterly meaningless. Why don't you try talking about what his policies are and how you disagree with them instead of blathering on about stuff that doesn't mean anything.

He doesn't have decades of experience, we get it. Democrats are all stupid, he's the golden boy, blah, blah, blah. Jesus, you're starting to sound like FA. Move on, dude. He just might be the next President, deal with it and come up with a new mantra.


EXACTLY like Carter... anyone who thinks Bush will go down in history as the worst president (even worse than Carter) needs a history lesson. Bush was not great... but in time I BET history shows he was one of the better ones.

:lol: Bush wasn't great, but he's one of the better ones? Is that supposed to make sense? I guess you haven't kept up with current events.


Experience doesn't make you a better president NECESSARILY... however its better to have it than to not have it.

And no... that's not factually inaccurate... he has probably a total of 1 year working experience in the Senate. The "work" he did in the senate is equal probably to one year... he has NOTHING to show for his tenure as a Senator except that all it was for was to make him appear to the public as The Chosen One.

I agree, experience is nice, but it won't make you a better President. Now, can we move the **** on about this for christ's sake?

And why can't you ever admit you're wrong? Obama began his senate career in early '05. The Senate isn't like a regular job. It's always been that way. Three years doesn't "amount" to one year, it amounts to three years. Three years in the Senate, is three years in the Senate. Bills, debates, votes, that's what they do.

I never said it was a lot of experience, but you made a glaringly inaccurate statement that I can only assume was meant to further denigrate Obama. It doesn't make you less of a man to admit you're wrong. You're wrong, you just are. Fuzzy math ain't gonna change that.


Lincoln... you DO realize how disliked he was in the south... SOOOOO disliked he got killed? That's a pathetic example. To even suggest that relating America NOW to America in the 1850s-1870s is absolutely irrelevant. Something called the Civil War... maybe you've heard of it?

Lincoln had almost no leadership experience, and turned out pretty damn good, in my opinion. That was my only point. I really don't see how anything you said proves otherwise. I'm not even sure what your point is.

[DAN!]

Lincoln had almost no leadership experience, and turned out pretty damn good, in my opinion. That was my only point. I really don't see how anything you said proves otherwise. I'm not even sure what your point is.

First the last post that you replied to me, i do think you are nuts but you are not one of the worst people here that post their opinon ;). I agree with you on a lot of things, but i think you should quit while you are ahead sometimes because you can take it too far.

And as lincoln goes, he had some decent leadership experience, not much, but he had more than obama. He also had more legislation experience. And if you read the lincoln douglas debates, this guy knew what he was talking about and he shut his oppenents up, and then he hired them. Obama is nothing like that. If he was like lincoln, he would have shut hilary up and picked her as VP. But we know he won't pick her even for the cabinet. Lincoln was a genius though.

And he made a ton of mistakes though. Mainly before he became president and in his early political carreer. And what killed his politcal career for awhile was that he was preaching about the word of god to congress and that made a lot of people ignore him. so that is something that you wouldn't exactly agree with ;). I say that because i know you worry about candidates that are very "god" driven and like when Palin said that Iraq is a mission from god. Well, lincoln said something similar about the mexican-american war. It had a different tone to it, but it was something like "god is no longer with us and we are doomed" type of thing. it has been awhile. I am not saying that your worries about relgion are unjustified, because i think about it too. But i think you worry too much about it. just because someone has a strong faith in religion doesn't mean they would make a bad president. because lincoln had a strong faith.

[Tolkien]

I think you guys are taking this a little too far by throwing around the word "extremist" like it's a simple word to use on people who are either pro-right or pro-left. To break it down for you guys -- a pro-muslim man will condem the western civilization for their immoral lives while remaining mature about it and not resorting to violent tactics to get his point across -- An extremist-muslim on the other hand, will dedicate his life to a twisted version of his religion by spending years on end carefully planning out a horrific attack on the western civilization thereby completing his mission when he flys a plane into one of our many towering structures, thus killing thousands.

So to sum it up, how extreme of a democrat or a republican are you?

How far would you go, how much would you say, to defend your party?

Because I'll tell you this, these parties can go f**k themselves for all I care.

[Justin]

"I would never die for my beliefs because I might be wrong."
-Bertrand Russell

[DAN!]

Like i said before, right wing extremism calls for a dictatorship. i would bet a million dollars that no one here has called for turning the US into a dictatorship in any of these threads.

[Steve from Indy]

First the last post that you replied to me, i do think you are nuts but you are not one of the worst people here that post their opinon ;). I agree with you on a lot of things, but i think you should quit while you are ahead sometimes because you can take it too far.

And as lincoln goes, he had some decent leadership experience, not much, but he had more than obama. He also had more legislation experience. And if you read the lincoln douglas debates, this guy knew what he was talking about and he shut his oppenents up, and then he hired them. Obama is nothing like that. If he was like lincoln, he would have shut hilary up and picked her as VP. But we know he won't pick her even for the cabinet. Lincoln was a genius though.

And he made a ton of mistakes though. Mainly before he became president and in his early political carreer. And what killed his politcal career for awhile was that he was preaching about the word of god to congress and that made a lot of people ignore him. so that is something that you wouldn't exactly agree with ;). I say that because i know you worry about candidates that are very "god" driven and like when Palin said that Iraq is a mission from god. Well, lincoln said something similar about the mexican-american war. It had a different tone to it, but it was something like "god is no longer with us and we are doomed" type of thing. it has been awhile. I am not saying that your worries about relgion are unjustified, because i think about it too. But i think you worry too much about it. just because someone has a strong faith in religion doesn't mean they would make a bad president. because lincoln had a strong faith.

That's a bit of an overstatement. But anyway you shouldn't feel the need to educate me on Lincoln; I'm well versed on his career. I've read several biographies as well as books on the Civil War.

[JT3294]

Same s**t different thread from you Steve. I love being able to enlighten you.


No, I don't see that; it doesn't make any sense. Very few of your comments make any sense. They're just ad hominem attacks. They are utterly meaningless. Why don't you try talking about what his policies are and how you disagree with them instead of blathering on about stuff that doesn't mean anything.

He doesn't have decades of experience, we get it. Democrats are all stupid, he's the golden boy, blah, blah, blah. Jesus, you're starting to sound like FA. Move on, dude. He just might be the next President, deal with it and come up with a new mantra.

Very few of my comments make sense? How do you figure? Allow me to elaborate on what YOU'RE not understanding.

His views are NO different from your standard cookiecutter Democrat... he just delivers his lines better than the others. This "Change" bulls**t he's running, is no different from the "Change" that every other Democrat promises... he just looks better and smiles a little nicer when delivering his lines so your typical, gullible, partisan American will fall for it everytime.

If Obama said that he was going to build a Ladder to Heaven... people would love him even more because he has the charm to make people buy it.

That's ALL Obama is. He's a More Charming Than Your Average Democrat Democrat. His views are NOTHING special.

By the way... that last part you wrote is cute. Is that the standard that Democrats followed when Bush was elected or did they bi**h and moan about the same s**t for the last eight years?

Yeah... I know I'm right... thanks!


:lol: Bush wasn't great, but he's one of the better ones? Is that supposed to make sense? I guess you haven't kept up with current events.

Again... something that doesn't make sense to you. Surprise surprise.

History is called history because it is a HISTORICAL reference. You can't possibly say what the outcome of the Bush Administration will be 50 years from now.

A lot of people thought that revolting against the Brits was a HORRIBLE idea... but I'm PRETTTTTTY sure that (historically) they were proven wrong.

OH and on top of that... yeah the Iraq Surge worked... gas prices are dropping... the response for Gustav was amazing... YEAH I'm keeping up with Current Events.

Now if you mean the low approval rating... keep up the the Congress approval rating there Chief.



I agree, experience is nice, but it won't make you a better President. Now, can we move the **** on about this for christ's sake?

And why can't you ever admit you're wrong? Obama began his senate career in early '05. The Senate isn't like a regular job. It's always been that way. Three years doesn't "amount" to one year, it amounts to three years. Three years in the Senate, is three years in the Senate. Bills, debates, votes, that's what they do.

I never said it was a lot of experience, but you made a glaringly inaccurate statement that I can only assume was meant to further denigrate Obama. It doesn't make you less of a man to admit you're wrong. You're wrong, you just are. Fuzzy math ain't gonna change that.

Yes we can move on from this topic... when Democrats lay off Palin's experience. :)

And I DO admit that I'm wrong... ask yourself that one buddy! :rolleyes: However I am not currently wrong... PROBABLY because this is not a right/wrong scenario. You seem to think that it is.

And if he started in early '05 in the Senate... guess what... he's been campaigning for President since Middle of '06. So AT best he has a year and a half experience. If you think he's been active in the Senate since he's been PLANNING his White House bid... you're bananas my friend. He hasn't had his ass in a Senate seat since MAYBE early '07.

But that wasn't my point... pay attention here... my POINT is that in his 1-2 years AS a Senator... he didn't accomplish ONE thing. Not ONE thing!

But that's not surprising... when he was first elected to the Senate... there was already buzz about him being the next president. SO MUCH SO... that he stated in a video press conference that he didn't think he'd be ready to BE president in 2008. WHOOPS!!! Obama made a funny!




Lincoln had almost no leadership experience, and turned out pretty damn good, in my opinion. That was my only point. I really don't see how anything you said proves otherwise. I'm not even sure what your point is.

It proves that Obama and Lincoln are nothing alike... nothing. This country is so radically different now than it was then it's not even funny. The country was still very young then and "experience" was almost a luxury.

Lincoln HAD a platform for change. And HE accomplished it. Obama SAYS change a lot... but he has yet to say WHAT that change would be. So it would go from Republican in the White House to a Democrat... that's about the only CHANGE he's offered.

Barrack Obama is full of not only hot air, but also of himself. Seriously... why is he attacking Sarah Palin? Can he not find something to sling at John McCain.

Obama is scared and in a panic. He's getting VERY offensive and VERY desperate cause now he sees that it's not a "done deal" like his Democratic Party told him it would be.



First the last post that you replied to me, i do think you are nuts but you are not one of the worst people here that post their opinon ;). I agree with you on a lot of things, but i think you should quit while you are ahead sometimes because you can take it too far.

And as lincoln goes, he had some decent leadership experience, not much, but he had more than obama. He also had more legislation experience. And if you read the lincoln douglas debates, this guy knew what he was talking about and he shut his oppenents up, and then he hired them. Obama is nothing like that. If he was like lincoln, he would have shut hilary up and picked her as VP. But we know he won't pick her even for the cabinet. Lincoln was a genius though.

And he made a ton of mistakes though. Mainly before he became president and in his early political carreer. And what killed his politcal career for awhile was that he was preaching about the word of god to congress and that made a lot of people ignore him. so that is something that you wouldn't exactly agree with ;). I say that because i know you worry about candidates that are very "god" driven and like when Palin said that Iraq is a mission from god. Well, lincoln said something similar about the mexican-american war. It had a different tone to it, but it was something like "god is no longer with us and we are doomed" type of thing. it has been awhile. I am not saying that your worries about relgion are unjustified, because i think about it too. But i think you worry too much about it. just because someone has a strong faith in religion doesn't mean they would make a bad president. because lincoln had a strong faith.

The more Dan says... the smarter I become convinced he is lol.

And he's much more tactful about what he has to say than I am lol.

[Tolkien]

"I would never die for my beliefs because I might be wrong."
-Bertrand Russell

Amen... Amen.

[JT3294]

Amen... Amen.

I got so caught up in my rant that I totally missed that quote. Excellent Justin lol.

Can we rent out a billboard in the middle east for that one? lol

[Justin]

Oh, I wish.

[JT3294]

I think you guys are taking this a little too far by throwing around the word "extremist" like it's a simple word to use on people who are either pro-right or pro-left. To break it down for you guys -- a pro-muslim man will condem the western civilization for their immoral lives while remaining mature about it and not resorting to violent tactics to get his point across -- An extremist-muslim on the other hand, will dedicate his life to a twisted version of his religion by spending years on end carefully planning out a horrific attack on the western civilization thereby completing his mission when he flys a plane into one of our many towering structures, thus killing thousands.

So to sum it up, how extreme of a democrat or a republican are you?

How far would you go, how much would you say, to defend your party?

Because I'll tell you this, these parties can go f**k themselves for all I care.

BTW... nicely done Tolkien lol.

[Tolkien]

If they had billboards in the Middle-East, I'd rent every other one out to each of the two hundred Vegas strip clubs and titty bars, lol.

[JT3294]

If they had billboards in the Middle-East, I'd rent every other one out to each of the two hundred Vegas strip clubs and titty bars, lol.

"Come get your 99 Virgins... WITHOUT HAVING TO DIE!!!


So... maybe we're stretching it a bit on the "virgin" thing... but they do role play!"

[Tolkien]

99? I thought it was 72?

[JT3294]

99? I thought it was 72?

Maybe??? :confused:

Either way it's greedy... I'd be happy with 5 :)

[Boiiinng]

Seriously or Kidding?

EDIT: Please say kidding lol.

It's from an SNL cartoon.

[JT3294]

It's from an SNL cartoon.

Ah!

Ohthankgod lol

[JT3294]

lol
http://i374.photobucket.com/albums/oo187/tigerlilymgd/tonguefight.jpg

OMG!!! :omg:

I just saw that picture... I love you...

[Steve from Indy]

Same s**t different thread from you Steve. I love being able to enlighten you.




Very few of my comments make sense? How do you figure? Allow me to elaborate on what YOU'RE not understanding.

His views are NO different from your standard cookiecutter Democrat... he just delivers his lines better than the others. This "Change" bulls**t he's running, is no different from the "Change" that every other Democrat promises... he just looks better and smiles a little nicer when delivering his lines so your typical, gullible, partisan American will fall for it everytime.

If Obama said that he was going to build a Ladder to Heaven... people would love him even more because he has the charm to make people buy it.

That's ALL Obama is. He's a More Charming Than Your Average Democrat Democrat. His views are NOTHING special.

By the way... that last part you wrote is cute. Is that the standard that Democrats followed when Bush was elected or did they bi**h and moan about the same s**t for the last eight years?

Yeah... I know I'm right... thanks!




Again... something that doesn't make sense to you. Surprise surprise.

History is called history because it is a HISTORICAL reference. You can't possibly say what the outcome of the Bush Administration will be 50 years from now.

A lot of people thought that revolting against the Brits was a HORRIBLE idea... but I'm PRETTTTTTY sure that (historically) they were proven wrong.

OH and on top of that... yeah the Iraq Surge worked... gas prices are dropping... the response for Gustav was amazing... YEAH I'm keeping up with Current Events.

Now if you mean the low approval rating... keep up the the Congress approval rating there Chief.





Yes we can move on from this topic... when Democrats lay off Palin's experience. :)

And I DO admit that I'm wrong... ask yourself that one buddy! :rolleyes: However I am not currently wrong... PROBABLY because this is not a right/wrong scenario. You seem to think that it is.

And if he started in early '05 in the Senate... guess what... he's been campaigning for President since Middle of '06. So AT best he has a year and a half experience. If you think he's been active in the Senate since he's been PLANNING his White House bid... you're bananas my friend. He hasn't had his ass in a Senate seat since MAYBE early '07.

But that wasn't my point... pay attention here... my POINT is that in his 1-2 years AS a Senator... he didn't accomplish ONE thing. Not ONE thing!

But that's not surprising... when he was first elected to the Senate... there was already buzz about him being the next president. SO MUCH SO... that he stated in a video press conference that he didn't think he'd be ready to BE president in 2008. WHOOPS!!! Obama made a funny!






It proves that Obama and Lincoln are nothing alike... nothing. This country is so radically different now than it was then it's not even funny. The country was still very young then and "experience" was almost a luxury.

Lincoln HAD a platform for change. And HE accomplished it. Obama SAYS change a lot... but he has yet to say WHAT that change would be. So it would go from Republican in the White House to a Democrat... that's about the only CHANGE he's offered.

Barrack Obama is full of not only hot air, but also of himself. Seriously... why is he attacking Sarah Palin? Can he not find something to sling at John McCain.

Obama is scared and in a panic. He's getting VERY offensive and VERY desperate cause now he sees that it's not a "done deal" like his Democratic Party told him it would be.

You don't know what you're talking about, and you won't concede anything, so what's the ****ing point? It's just a futile exercise. http://home.comcast.net/~prgault/girlfight.gif

[Steve from Indy]

Would anyone like to talk about the policies of McCain and Obama?

[Ewok Droppings]

No - I want to talk about the Denver Broncos. ;)

[Knerys]

Long Live Jay Cutler!!!

[Steve from Indy]

No - I want to talk about the Denver Broncos. ;)

Better them than the friggin' Colts. :mad:

[Ewok Droppings]

I agree. :)

[Ewok Droppings]

Long Live Jay Cutler!!!

He had a fantastic night on Monday, but let's not get too excited. It was against the Raiders after all. But I'm optimistic. :)

[Knerys]

Well honestly I'm going to Obama/Aaron Rodgers for 2008. ;)

[Ewok Droppings]

Aaron Rodgers is on the ticket now? I'm going Cutler/Ashley Force :)

[Alien]

I kinda wish I could vote coz I want Obama to take over the US. Shame I'm Scottish...

[Big-Lead5]

I heard on CNN Val Kilmer wants run for Governor of New Mexico.

[Ewok Droppings]

I kinda wish I could vote coz I want Obama to take over the US. Shame I'm Scottish...

Glad you're not in the U.S. then. ;)

[Steve from Indy]

I heard on CNN Val Kilmer wants run for Governor of New Mexico.

That would be way too cool. :D

[Big-Lead5]

That would be way too cool. :D

I don't have problem with it.If Arnold can do it why not him.

Besides I don't live there wouldn't effect me lol

[Ewok Droppings]

What does Val Kilmer stand for though?

[Big-Lead5]

What does Val Kilmer stand for though?

No clue All i saw on CNN saying he was thinking of running for Gov.Thats all i know

[FranklinTard]

What does Val Kilmer stand for though?

hes running on the 'i was batman' platform.

[JT3294]

hes running on the 'i was batman' platform.

:lol:

[JT3294]

You don't know what you're talking about, and you won't concede anything, so what's the ****ing point? It's just a futile exercise. http://home.comcast.net/~prgault/girlfight.gif

btw :rolleyes:

Sure.

[Tolkien]

Maybe??? :confused:

Either way it's greedy... I'd be happy with 5 :)
See, that's the thing... I wouldn't. I've been with a virgin and I've been with experienced women... I prefer an experienced woman over a virgin any day of the week, lol. Who wants to spend the rest of eternity with a girl who doesn't know what the hell to do? lol.

hes running on the 'i was batman' platform.
Let me guess, with Chris O'Donnell running for Lt. Governor and Michael Gough being sworn in as his Chief of Staff, right? lol.

[JT3294]

See, that's the thing... I wouldn't. I've been with a virgin and I've been with experienced women... I prefer an experienced woman over a virgin any day of the week, lol. Who wants to spend the rest of eternity with a girl who doesn't know what the hell to do? lol.


Let me guess, with Chris O'Donnell running for Lt. Governor and Michael Gough being sworn in as his Chief of Staff, right? lol.

Tommy Lee Jones is going to be the state's Attorney General.

[Tolkien]

Nah, that wouldn't be a good idea. Someone just end up attacking him, then we'll have this whole inside drama between him and the Governor.

[JT3294]

Nah, that wouldn't be a good idea. Someone just end up attacking him, then we'll have this whole inside drama between him and the Governor.

Come on dude... this isn't some comic book! That's a totally stupid scenario!

[Tolkien]

Come on dude... this isn't some comic book! That's a totally stupid scenario!

You're right, it's not a comic book... it's a comic book adaptation made into a live action film. ;)

[Boiiinng]

And yet in the real news: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/us_world/2008/09/10/2008-09-10_comedian_al_franken_wins_senate_primary_.html

:hehe:

[JT3294]

And yet in the real news: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/us_world/2008/09/10/2008-09-10_comedian_al_franken_wins_senate_primary_.html

:hehe:

my God... how sad and scary is that?

[Necross]

Comediens should control the government, we'd all be a lot better off.

[Tolkien]

Sad that he died, but I would have liked to have seen George Carlin as President. That'd be f**king awesome.

[Ewok Droppings]

Sam Kinison

[Tolkien]

Where've I heard that name before?

[Steve from Indy]

Sad that he died, but I would have liked to have seen George Carlin as President. That'd be f**king awesome.

LOL He would've emptied the treasury and given everyone a million bucks and said "go nuts". And the FCC sure would've been a different animal. :funny:

[Steve from Indy]

Sam Kinison

Yeah that would work too. At least he wouldn't have had to worry about his wife leaving him. And his screaming face would work good in international negotiations. :D

[FranklinTard]

http://www.funnyordie.com/videos/61410aa4ff

'if she shoots you in the face, thats because she was aiming for it'

[Ewok Droppings]

Haha - it's hilarious to me how much the democrats are attacking Palin. She's not even the one running for president. LMAO - you don't see the republicans giving 2 sh**s about Joe Biden - why? Because he sucks. The Dems are just pissing themselves because Palin is such a threat to their whole campaign. Makes me laugh how much they are stretching things to hate a V.P. nominee. :) How about they just completely ignore McCain. Apparently he's not running anymore or something?

[Justin]

She is an easy target now. And you're right, she is absolutely a threat to the Democrats.

But who is this McCain guy?

[Ewok Droppings]

Apparently he's been chosen as Palin's running mate... or wait, is it the other way around? ;) Couldn't tell from the democratic attacks lately, they're all pointed the wrong way.

[Knerys]

Hmmm I wonder what Hilary is thinking right now....

[Ewok Droppings]

She's probably thinking "See - I told you you should have picked me Barack".

[Tolkien]

If Barack had chosen Hillary, there would have been no question to their ultimate victory in November. That just goes to show you how f**king stupid and dense Barack really is.

[Tornado]

That's a bit harsh.

[Doomsday]

People said the same thing about McCain when he selected Palin. My question is....

Who's stupid and dense? McCain and his winning strategy or the women changing their vote to support his VP? You really can't blame McCain for knowing how to win.

[Frizzo the Clown]

Apparently he's been chosen as Palin's running mate... or wait, is it the other way around? ;) Couldn't tell from the democratic attacks lately, they're all pointed the wrong way.
Well, it doesn't hurt that since Palin's nomination, the entire campaign has been more about Palin than McCain. Sure, she's not running for President, but the Republicans don't seem to mind pretending. ;)

[Tornado]

I would say the women changing their vote to support his VP as Hilary and Palin really don't agree on much. ;)

[Frizzo the Clown]

People said the same thing about McCain when he selected Palin. My question is....

Who's stupid and dense? McCain and his winning strategy or the women changing their vote to support his VP? You really can't blame McCain for knowing how to win.
I agree, I think it is stupid and dense to change your vote simply because Palin is the VP canidate now. Sure, if you actually agree with the McCain campaign's agenda and what not, fine, but don't be an idiot and change your vote, and go against your political ideals simply because she's a woman. Its daft. Its idiotic to vote for McCain because his running mate is a woman, just like it would've been daft to vote for Hillary just because she's a woman, just like its daft to vote for Obama just because he's black. Of course, I've personally spoken with a handful of people who are gonna vote for McCain simply because he's white, and not a woman. Thats daft too.

[JBond]

Who's stupid and dense? McCain and his winning strategy or the women changing their vote to support his VP? You really can't blame McCain for knowing how to win.

The women changing their vote. Definitely.

[JT3294]

The women changing their vote. Definitely.

Yeah but I'm all for it...

Thank God for ignorance in the right people lol.

[Ewok Droppings]

Well, it doesn't hurt that since Palin's nomination, the entire campaign has been more about Palin than McCain. Sure, she's not running for President, but the Republicans don't seem to mind pretending. ;)

yeah - that's my point, it's all about Palin. It's a brilliant strategy on the Republican's part whether or not you agree with it because it's working.

[JBond]

I don't know if "brilliant" is the word I would choose. Perhaps "desperate" or "demeaning".

[Ewok Droppings]

I don't know if "brilliant" is the word I would choose. Perhaps "desperate" or "demeaning".

No - brilliant is the right word because of how well it worked. I know you don't like republicans and all, but the facts are that it worked and worked well to this point. Criticize all you want, but blindly hating just because it's working against your side doesn't change the fact that it was a great move.

[Tornado]

He's not blindly hating, he's using just logic. If anything I think you're 'blindly loving' it because it seems to be working at the moment, even though the move screams, "Look at me! I chose a woman for VP!"

[JBond]

No - brilliant is the right word because of how well it worked. I know you don't like republicans and all, but the facts are that it worked and worked well to this point. Criticize all you want, but blindly hating just because it's working against your side doesn't change the fact that it was a great move.

I know that's your go-to guess for me, but no, "brilliant" suggests brilliant minds. It suggests complex thought. I'm not denying it won't work, I'm saying there's no higher intelligence in it.

[Ewok Droppings]

Well, if you really want to get technical - the entire democratic platform for President is "look at me! I chose a black guy for President!".

So, If I'm blindly loving - than why are the polls showing this as a brilliant move? You guys are thinking I'm here to sing her praises, but I'm simply talking about the move at this moment. I know you guys are mostly democrat and love to hate it but the facts are that it's shot McCain way up in the polls and worked very well for him.

[JBond]

Stealing $1,000 from a blind man wouldn't be called brilliant, no matter how many cheeseburgers it could buy you.

[Tornado]

I don't think Barack has gotten as far as he has because he's black, he's gotten this far based on how much people like him.

I'm not denying it was a good move for McCain as it has certainly lit a fire under his campaign, but it wasn't brilliant by any means. I didn't know who Sarah Palin was a month ago, but I did think there was a chance McCain would choose a woman for VP. I was more surprised at who he picked than it being a woman, as I thought it was a pretty obvious move. Not brilliant by any means.

[Ewok Droppings]

LOL - call it what you want, if this move was made on the democratic ticket you guys would be singing it's praises. I call it brilliant because of it's effectiveness in his campaign, you call it names because you like Obama. Fair enough. And yes, Obama has gotten this far simply because he's black. You put any white junior senator running for the white house with only 2 years of experience up there and he'd be laughed off the stage.

[DragnFire22]

LOL. You rant and rave about all the Democrats with blinders on that love Obama for no reason, but you're the same way, just standing on the other side of the aisle.

[Tornado]

Actually, if Barack had picked a woman (other than Hilary) I would have been very surprised. I assumed he'd pick an older white guy and he did. I tend to find that whatever seems obvious in politics is probably what will happen.

Forgetting the situation for a second, what exactly is the difference between you calling it brilliant and us calling it 'desperate'? One, and only one thing: you like the candidate. Just because you think you're right doesn't necessarily make it so. I'm not saying I'm right either, though. Now if you want to debate constructively I'm all for it, but if you're going to continue being an asshat then I'm done.

[Ewok Droppings]

LOL. You rant and rave about all the Democrats with blinders on that love Obama for no reason, but you're the same way, just standing on the other side of the aisle.

LOL - hey it's the smart guy again! Hey did you ever figure out who I'm voting for yet? If you did, it might make your post look a little... stupid. ;)


Forgetting the situation for a second, what exactly is the difference between you calling it brilliant and us calling it 'desperate'? One, and only one thing: you like the candidate. Just because you think you're right doesn't necessarily make it so. I'm not saying I'm right either, though. Now if you want to debate constructively I'm all for it, but if you're going to continue being an asshat then I'm done.
Look, I know you'll never admit that it was a good move because you're all pissed about it making your candidate sag in the polls, but look at it subjectively for a minute. Desperate moves usually are bad decisions that mean that he stands no chance of winning. Had McCain not been even with Obama in the polls as recently as Aug. 26 before he had even picked a running mate, and been behind in the polls dramatically (forget both bounces from either convention - those will be a wash in the end), I would say "yes, it was desperate because he had no other move to win this election". But the truth is that he wasn't "desperate" and he wasn't getting stomped in the polls and he didn't have to make this pick to still have a great chance of winning. Desperate to me says he had no other options and had to do it. This wasn't the case. This was a great move that has really bolstered his campaign. It's just too bad she is attached to his ticket.

[Tornado]

Look, I know you'll never admit that it was a good move....

I'm not denying it was a good move for McCain as it has certainly lit a fire under his campaign, but it wasn't brilliant by any means. I didn't know who Sarah Palin was a month ago, but I did think there was a chance McCain would choose a woman for VP. I was more surprised at who he picked than it being a woman, as I thought it was a pretty obvious move. Not brilliant by any means.

Not big on reading, eh? ;)

...because you're all pissed about it making your candidate sag in the polls, but look at it subjectively for a minute. Desperate moves usually are bad decisions that mean that he stands no chance of winning. Had McCain not been even with Obama in the polls as recently as Aug. 26 before he had even picked a running mate, and been behind in the polls dramatically (forget both bounces from either convention - those will be a wash in the end), I would say "yes, it was desperate because he had no other move to win this election". But the truth is that he wasn't "desperate" and he wasn't getting stomped in the polls and he didn't have to make this pick to still have a great chance of winning. Desperate to me says he had no other options and had to do it. This wasn't the case. This was a great move that has really bolstered his campaign. It's just too bad she is attached to his ticket.

I understand where you're coming from, but we haven't had any debates yet and the real brunt of the advertising is just getting underway. Come mid-October, I think we would have seen a sizable difference between the two had McCain not chosen a woman and gone with Romney (as I would have had I been in his shoes... and a Republican). At the same time, if McCain really thought, "Hey, I'm gonna win this thing," I think he would have chosen someone else. But I obviously can't see into his mind, and maybe Palin was his first choice from months ago. I just find that hard to believe.

What is embarrassing about the American public is that choosing a woman has swayed so many Hilary-backers over to his side, when Hilary and Palin have almost nothing in common aside from the obvious.

[Ewok Droppings]

Nope, not short on reading, but you followed it up by saying it was still a desperate move. You put a disqualifier into your argument that nullified your original point, so I was responding to your last comment instead.

And I will agree that it's completely pathetic of our society that they would be persuaded to vote for someone based on gender or skin color. But it's blatantly obvious that both sides of the aisle are pandering big-time in this election and it's sad. What's more sad is that our country buys into the crap.

[Tornado]

Nope, not short on reading, but you followed it up by saying it was still a desperate move. You put a disqualifier into your argument that nullified your original point, so I was responding to your last comment instead.

You're awfully touchy-feely. ;)

[Boro]

Why can't a move be both genius and desperate at the same time?

[Doomsday]

Stealing $1,000 from a blind man wouldn't be called brilliant, no matter how many cheeseburgers it could buy you.

Ohhhh, don't tempt me.

[DAN!]

Why can't a move be both genius and desperate at the same time?

This is a good point. and at this point in the election, there are going to be a lot of them. Karl rove is the king of desperate, brilliant moves.



And i agree that the the mccain camp is using Palin almost like a gimic. But i have been saying the same thing about obama, whose whole campaign is really a gimic. both canidates are using desperate moves. They both have greatly changed thier platform since they became the only canidate. They both have the same problem in this sense.

[Ewok Droppings]

Stealing $1,000 from a blind man wouldn't be called brilliant, no matter how many cheeseburgers it could buy you.
And I suppose hiring a bum off the streets to come in and run your company is a brilliant move?

[JBond]

Not sure to what you're getting at, but it woudl seem you're once again taking an argument in a different direction. Remember, my original and only argument (seemed simple at the time...) was that "brilliant" was a poor word for the single case of McCain choosing Palin. I just don't care what you think about Obama.

[IanTheCool]

So what areas of the country will this election be decided? I'm thinking the midwest is really going to be up for grabs for both and will probably be the decider.

[DAN!]

i think virginia is on their list. at least the dems are looking at it that way.

[Ewok Droppings]

Not sure to what you're getting at, but it woudl seem you're once again taking an argument in a different direction. Remember, my original and only argument (seemed simple at the time...) was that "brilliant" was a poor word for the single case of McCain choosing Palin. I just don't care what you think about Obama.

And your comment about stealing the $1000 from a blind man was about as relevant. It was a brilliant move and if you were a politician and made the same move it would have been brilliant as well. Even some of the democratic strategists have called it a brilliant move. But, call it what you want, you're just arguing semantics.

[JBond]

The $1000 thing was just an analogy. Notice I refered to the voters as the blind ones.

[Ewok Droppings]

So, what's your point? Notice I referred to Obama as the bum? I don't see why you can't just admit that it was a good move. You're so stuck on hating McCain that you can't even say "nicely done"? Instead you come up with some goofy analogy about how he's somehow ripping off voters, like Obama isn't?

[DAN!]

it is a good move to "win" an election. but not really the best move to help the country. Mccain really should have picked romney, just like obama really should have picked hilary.

[Doomsday]

Romney was a real obvious choice, that and him being Mormon wouldn't help. Not that I have anything against Mormons, some of my best friends are Mormon, but they don't have what you call 'high standing' among American society.

[DAN!]

yeah, it wouldn't help mccain get the votes palin is giving him, but he would have brought a lot to the ticket substance wise. Anyone who is a business leader or anyone who's number one concern is the economy would pick him because he has the best fiscal policy out of all of them. But the masses are always worried about religion. especially in the republican party. but if you are an invester or someone who is worried about the economy, you don't care if someone is jewish, catholic, muslim, mormon, or whatever; if they can do a good job, then that is the one you want doing the job. That is how the rest of america works. People see romney and go "oh, he is a mormon, i wont vote for him." But if this were another job, and a company turned him down in an interview because he was a mormon, that would be discrimination.

[Ewok Droppings]

I wasn't too sold on Romney. I thought he would have been great for the economy, but there were some basic fundamentals that he flip flopped on that will always haunt his political career I think. Honestly - my choice was Fred Thompson. I thought he was the most rational and even keeled of everyone running on either side. But, he never really seemed to take it seriously until it was too late. Oh well, we're doomed either way.

[JBond]

So, what's your point? Notice I referred to Obama as the bum? I don't see why you can't just admit that it was a good move. You're so stuck on hating McCain that you can't even say "nicely done"? Instead you come up with some goofy analogy about how he's somehow ripping off voters, like Obama isn't?

Sigh. How about this, we call it even:

bril·liant /ˈbrɪlyənt/
–adjective

3 (JBond). having or showing great intelligence, talent, quality, etc.: a brilliant technician.
5 (Ewok). splendid or magnificent: a brilliant social event.

[JT3294]

I would have liked Mike Huckabee but it's like we said with the religion debate. He's far too into mixing religion and politics. Other than that though I liked him lol. He's pretty funny too lol. He'll be funny as a Fox News anchor lol.

[DragnFire22]

LOL - hey it's the smart guy again! Hey did you ever figure out who I'm voting for yet? If you did, it might make your post look a little... stupid. ;)

Big surprise, Ewok doesn't have a real response, so he belittles me and dodges the entire comment! Classic.

[JT3294]

Big surprise, Ewok doesn't have a real response, so he belittles me and dodges the entire comment! Classic.

Were you not the one that said we SHOULDN'T show who voted what? You could have made it that way. Mighty hypocritical argument.

[DAN!]

Big surprise, Ewok doesn't have a real response, so he belittles me and dodges the entire comment! Classic.

to be fair, he has stated probably 15 times or more in the other thread who he was voting for. he said it like on every other page. he said he was going to write his friend's name in.

[Ewok Droppings]

Big surprise, Ewok doesn't have a real response, so he belittles me and dodges the entire comment! Classic.

Trolls are so much fun. In this case - the troll doesn't even know what he's talking about. Apparently there is some sort of issue of his that I'm supposed to respond to. But to steal a word from his post, it's "classic" that he just takes jabs and has nothing to ever add to the conversation. Stick to your comic books peewee - it's about the only thing you really understand. ;)

[Ewok Droppings]

to be fair, he has stated probably 15 times or more in the other thread who he was voting for. he said it like on every other page. he said he was going to write his friend's name in.

Aww - you gave it away. :(

[DAN!]

i wouldn't give it away, but it was a stupid argument he started and i just thought i would jump to the end so we could put it to rest.

[Tornado]

Who are the two people who said they won't be voting? I think that's kinda dumb. You must prefer one of the candidates over the other...

[Ewok Droppings]

They probably live in another country.

[Necross]

Who are the two people who said they won't be voting? I think that's kinda dumb. You must prefer one of the candidates over the other...

Not necessarily, a lot of people think either way its gonna suck. Much like the Bush/Kerry election. As Lewis Black said, it was basically choosing between two bowls of ****.

[DAN!]

Who are the two people who said they won't be voting? I think that's kinda dumb. You must prefer one of the candidates over the other...


but maybe not enough to vote for one of them.

(i picked third party btw)

[Tornado]

Not necessarily, a lot of people think either way its gonna suck. Much like the Bush/Kerry election. As Lewis Black said, it was basically choosing between two bowls of ****.

Well, then you vote third party or something.

[IanTheCool]

Who are the two people who said they won't be voting? I think that's kinda dumb. You must prefer one of the candidates over the other...

I'm one of them, and it's because I live in Canada :D

[DAN!]

well, i know a guy, who knows a guy, that went to high school with this girl who smoked pot with the president. I am sure we can get you a fake citizenship so you can vote ;)

[Tornado]

I'm one of them, and it's because I live in Canada :D

:funny: OK, well that's a little different. ;)

[Fighting American]

This is a great article...


IMPALIN' THE LEFT
by Laura Ingraham
Why do they hate her? What is it about Sarah that is driving left-wing elites to say the most idiotic and bizarre things? Since her explosive arrival onto the political scene, Palin has endured far more than the customary and expected vetting and scrutiny.

Obama underlings and their dinosaur media apparatchiks have dug through her garbage, rifled through her dirty laundry, and interviewed every friend, foe, and caribou in Alaska. She has been (falsely) branded a book-burner, a religious zealot, "anti-women," and "anti-science."

Today's Washington Post claims that Gov. Palin falsely equated Saddam Hussein with the 9/11 hijackers at the ceremony yesterday seeing Alaska troops off to Iraq. In reality she said they'd soon be taking on forces aligned with those who hit us on 9/11 - an obviously true statement. Al Qaeda in Iraq is part of Al Qaeda, and it's been a coon's age since Saddam Hussein was fighting this war.

Then came Charlie...er...I mean Charles Gibson. The ABC News star tried to jettison his nice-guy image in the first interview with Palin and ended up coming off like a pedantic snob. Aside from tripping up on the Bush Doctrine (she explained it as his general worldview, as opposed to the doctrine of preemptive military action), she acquitted herself well.
Sorry, Charlie.

In the past two-weeks, Obama-friendly columnists and commentators have questioned Palin's fitness as a mother. CNN, NBC and the other left-wing media outlets have expended more man-hours looking into Palin's faith than they did in two years looking into Barack Obama's. My personal favorite, though, is actor Matt "Bagger Vance" Damon's saying that the mere possibility of Vice President Palin was like a "bad Disney movie."

The vitriol is so over-the-top that it is having a boomerang effect. As the attacks over the last two weeks have intensified, the McCain/Palin poll numbers have shot up. Today's Gallup numbers show for the first time in years Republicans winning a generic congressional ballot among likely voters. Elites from Los Angeles to Manhattan are sensing that their chance at a political utopia may be slipping away.

Sarah Palin's entire existence is a refutation of everything the left holds sacrosanct. They champion abortion rights, she stands for life, personally and politically. They think the redistribution of income is indispensable to achieving "economic justice." She sees it as their means to grow government and penalize prosperity. They look at America and see a collection of oppressed minorities. She sees America as the land of opportunity. They believe we need to do more to court "world opinion."
She's not embarrassed over having little use for Europe.

It is not enough for them to beat Sarah Palin, they must destroy her.

It's a long way 'til November 4th, but I'm betting on the gal with the double-barreled shotgun and camouflage ski jacket.