The Dark Knight Rises news and info

[sshuttari]

well It's time to speculate and debate when the next batman film will be made. I'm sure a lot of us here in CS! would will have seen it by the end of the weekend.

the ending... and what it leaves open...

Joker still alive and I'm sure has a plan...

Batman still running from the authorities, with now the public believing he is a villian not a hero...



Let's hope Chris Nolan and everyone comes back for another great sequel. This man really can't make a bad film.

[Knerys]

And here we go again!

[Fanible]

well It's time to speculate

I hate you. =P

[Neverending]

The Joker isn't returning any time soon. Catwoman FTW.

[Fanible]

Are you just hoping Catwoman might be in the next, or did you just spoil something for me?

[iv3rdawG]

He's hoping.

[DragnFire22]

The Joker isn't returning any time soon. Catwoman FTW.

You don't know that.

[Neverending]

He's hoping.

No. Rachel is dead, so that opens the door for Catwoman.

[FranklinTard]

The Joker isn't returning any time soon. Catwoman FTW.

by that logic... poison ivy 'FTW'.

[DragnFire22]

No. Rachel is dead, so that opens the door for Catwoman.

It being a BATMAN MOVIE opens the door for any character, it doesn't mean it's going to happen.

[Neverending]

by that logic... poison ivy 'FTW'.

Read the post above yours. And Poison Ivy isn't as iconic as Catwoman. After using The Joker, Two-Face, Ra's al Ghul, and Scarecrow the only other big villains left are Catwoman, Penguin, and Riddler. And Catwoman has a chance since Rachel is dead and the movie needs a love interest.

[DragnFire22]

I say do The Riddler, and a villain that others a physical challenge for The Batman.

[Neverending]

I say do The Riddler, and a villain that others a physical challenge for The Batman.

Nolan's movies have used multiple villains. Riddler could very likely be the villain, but he won't be alone. And seeing as the movie needs love interest they could use Catwoman as well. Unless you want to see Vicki Vale again or something.

[King_of_Skid_Row]

I say the villains should be Catwoman and Two Face.

[Two-Face]

You called...

[King_of_Skid_Row]

^Dude! You rock in the TDK :D !!!! I hope you return for a sequel :D !!!

[Two-Face]

I like to see Catwoman in third as well.


I'm from UK , so I haven't seen TDK yet and doesn't get released until 24th July.

[EnderDeschain]

**** Catwoman. The farther away she stays from this series, the better. It's a ridiculous character that doesn't make any sense and is best left out.

They can't possibly go back to the Joker, can they? The movie leaves it open, but with Ledger dead, would they ever try bringing him back with another actor? I hope not. But it wouldn't surprise me. I hope Two-Face is back in the third, I would like to see him and Bane. Done correctly, of course.

[sshuttari]

I agree, Robin, batgirl, and catwoman don't need to be involved in Nolans world.

Nor should they be...

Riddler is the way to go.

[FilmJerk]

Deadshot or Bane

[donny]

Batman Vs Freddy Vs Jason

[King_of_Skid_Row]

Two Face will return and get revenge on all his enemies. I think he will kill Alfred and Gordon's wife.

[iv3rdawG]

*edit*

[Wolverine]

Hell if people want another Love Interest for Bruce I say go with

Talia

[DragnFire22]

Nolan's movies have used multiple villains. Riddler could very likely be the villain, but he won't be alone. And seeing as the movie needs love interest they could use Catwoman as well. Unless you want to see Vicki Vale again or something.

The love interest angle is a stupid thing to bank Catwoman hopes on.

[FranklinTard]

Batman Vs Freddy Vs Jason

batman vs predator vs alien vs joker

http://youtube.com/watch?v=jOZVp9NFhQE

[Neverending]

Hell if people want another Love Interest for Bruce I say go with

Talia

It's possible.

[sshuttari]

I hate you. =P

haha

[EnderDeschain]

Hell if people want another Love Interest for Bruce I say go with

Talia

That could actually work, especially given what happened in Begins. It's a much better idea than Catwoman, anyway.

[Dogbert0228]

In the same way that Nolan highlighted the duality of Batman/Joker and Batman/Dent in this film, the more I think about Frank Miller's interpretations of the relationship between Batman and Catwoman, the more I see it working in Nolan's universe (not that I necessarily want to see her, just an idea of how it might work).

I really have no idea where a sequel could go. Honestly, with the way this ended, it was perfect for the entire Batman mythos. Batman is a broken human being just trying to stay one step ahead of the evils that plague him and his city, and he'll never be truly understood or embraced...

I know WB will be all over a third film, but after TDK, what's the point?

[petergriffin246]

Oh God history is repeating itself

[Tornado]

If they want to bring in Selina Kyle, I'd be fine with that. But I don't want to see Catwoman as one of the villains.

[Jedi Potter]

I think Catwoman will be in the sequel, but she can't be the main threat. Not sure who they will pick. Could recast Joker (that would be tough unless they want to shell out 25 million for Johnny Depp), bring back Two-Face (he could still be alive), or someone new. Probably these people could work Talia, Black Mask, Bane, and the Riddler. The rest of his rogues gallery are either two weird (The Ventriloquist) or not very realistic (ClayFace). The Riddler and Catwoman are the only two high profile Batman villains left that Nolan hasn't used. Maybe we could see a much darker Riddler although it could come off as a Joker copy. Black Mask would be the easiest since he is just a mob boss who is disfigured. Bane would only work if he is pared with someone maybe with Talia or Black Mask.

[FranklinTard]

not much about batman movies is realistic... so give me clayface!

[Jedi Potter]

Well Nolan wants realism so I doubt he does Clayface. I would love to see Clayface but I don't think it will happen.

[FranklinTard]

well nolan is wallowing in ignorance for a little bit, give him time, he'll see the light.. of clayface!

[Doomsday]

Soooo are we going to rename this thread or keep as is?

[FranklinTard]

please rename it... i hate the title.

[Neverending]

I know WB will be all over a third film, but after TDK, what's the point?

The point is that Nolan has barely scratched the surface of the mythology. There's still a lot more Batman stories to tell and more characters to introduce.

[sshuttari]

Soooo are we going to rename this thread or keep as is?

keep it

Batman 3 sounds retarted.

we don't know what the title for the 3rd one is going to be or if Nolan will even be back.

[poeman]

Probably Bane/Scarecrow...and the Riddler

[iv3rdawG]

please rename it... i hate the title.

Yes.

[DragnFire22]

who cares what the thread title is?

[WackoJacko31]

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0468569/

I couldn't believe my eyes when I saw that! I had to upload the page 3 times to make myself believe. i think it deserves that spot because The Dark Knight is now my favorite movie of all time! And I never expected The Godfather to be beaten this soon.

[FranklinTard]

i couldn't believe my eyes... you posted this in 3 threads... nice copy/paste.

[drob127]

yea i clicked on this thread thinking it was the other one and spoiled myself...bastards

[Tornado]

Sounds like it's 100% your fault. ;)

[drob127]

haha

[Fanible]

The thread title is fine for now. It would just be nice to rename it once we know the title of the next film, which never happened in the last thread.

[darthspielberg]

Going through the massive fan reactions on the interweb computernet and I have to ask

Am I the only one that is glad Two Face died and (in theory) won't be returning for film 3. I thought it worked wonderfully in the terms of the story, and to be honest, I wouldn't want to see Harvey delegated to committing crimes with a gang of thugs. It just doesn't seem like something this Harvey would do. He is about justice, not crimes involving the number 2. This Harvey even intended to die ("You think I want to escape from this?")

The only way I see him working is if he is revealed to be alive, that he is still out for Gordon, and thats it...just a straight forward "I have a goal, its him and nothing will get in my way." otherwise, bringing him back just doesn't work for me.

also

I wouldn't mind a recast of Joker, as long as its done tastefully. I kind of like the idea thats been floating around of Joesph Gordon Levitt...but it is true that anyone who takes on the role will have to have a lot of gall. Its a tough act to follow.

So in the end, I hope a brand new villian is introduced...and Batman is triumphant (har) in the end, and Gotham gets wise to who the true hero is.

[sshuttari]

No one can replace Ledger!!!

HE was damn right amazing!

[iv3rdawG]

Joesph Gordon Levitt?...

[darthspielberg]

No one can replace Ledger!!!

HE was damn right amazing!

He was...but if the story calls for him, they will recast, I have no doubts. Respect for Ledger can only go so far.

[darthspielberg]

Joesph Gordon Levitt?...

a few friends of mine mentioned him, and looking at him in his recent films (Brick, The Lookout) not only does he look a bit like Ledger, he can act.

So, I don't think it a bad choice.

[krazy_marco74]

I think Joseph Gordon Levitt does look like Heath Ledger but he looks too young. He is actually only 2 years younger than Heath Ledger. I agree they look similar but because of how young Joseph looks I'd probably want to wait till he looks/gets older.

[Doomsday]

I'm surprised no one's said Russell Crowe. ;)

[Tornado]

a few friends of mine mentioned him, and looking at him in his recent films (Brick, The Lookout) not only does he look a bit like Ledger, he can act.

So, I don't think it a bad choice.

As far as I'm concerned, I would rather see a terrific performance from someone who doesn't look anything like Heath Ledger than a halfway decent performance from someone who does.

That's why I have to cast my vote for my original choice (made back in late '05), Paul Bettany, if they decide to re-cast the character.

[Necross]

I kinda don't want them too. I'm conflicted on a personal level honestly. He was terrific in it, and I kinda feel it should be left alone out of respect for him, but like darth said, they can't sacrifice story for it. I was glad, actually very happy that he wasn't killed in the movie. I know its probably very silly but I can't help how I felt.

So basically, in my very personal opinion, I don't think anyone will top his performance or should try, but I don't want to sacrifice anything that would deter this series from its greatness.

[iv3rdawG]

I was glad, actually very happy that he wasn't killed in the movie. I know its probably very silly but I can't help how I felt.

Spoiler, might wanna black it out.

[Necross]

Sorry, thought this was the thread for the third batman movie discussion. Figured most people would have seen Dark Knight if they were coming in here.

[iv3rdawG]

Yeah, but you never know. The weekend isn't over yet, it's all good.

[Jason Krueger]

I agree with Necross, Heath did a really good job and I don't think anyone's every gonna be able to top that, but of course it depends on what the plot point for a third film will be and how the Joker fits into that point and if he does. Batman Begins plot point was fear, this one was chaos.

If they decide to go with another villain, I want to see them redo the Riddler in sort of Zodiac Killer way, you don't really know who he during the first half the film and he leaves clues and riddles in letter and phone calls to the police and stuff at the crime scenes for Batman.

And as far as actor choices I'm gonna say Michael Emerson, I think he could really do the role justice.

[Necross]

I know most people seem to be iffy about the idea of Catwoman but I want to see her. I want to see how Nolan would handle her.

[NEo881]

well how about this to get a good casting call for a villian Have the Riddler and casted by Johny Depp??

[Necross]

Ya know, I remember talking about that with a friend a long time back, after it was announced that Ledger was the Joker. You just made me think of it. Johnny could pull it off I think, it'd be a great role for him, the character is something that I could see his acting style fit. Out there and weird lol.

[darthspielberg]

As far as I'm concerned, I would rather see a terrific performance from someone who doesn't look anything like Heath Ledger than a halfway decent performance from someone who does.

That's why I have to cast my vote for my original choice (made back in late '05), Paul Bettany, if they decide to re-cast the character.

Thats a good point, but I think Levitt can act. quite well, in fact. I am not saying he'd be a great Joker. I have no idea...Paul would be quite awesome too, i think.

[Fighting American]

I agree with Necross, Heath did a really good job and I don't think anyone's every gonna be able to top that, but of course it depends on what the plot point for a third film will be and how the Joker fits into that point and if he does. Batman Begins plot point was fear, this one was chaos.

If they decide to go with another villain, I want to see them redo the Riddler in sort of Zodiac Killer way, you don't really know who he during the first half the film and he leaves clues and riddles in letter and phone calls to the police and stuff at the crime scenes for Batman.

And as far as actor choices I'm gonna say Michael Emerson, I think he could really do the role justice.

Two-Face needs to make a comeback. And Ras Al Ghul

[Fighting American]

absolutely loved this film! But nothing is perfect if you look close enuff....

I would have liked to see construction on Wayne Manor. Just a quick glimpse.

A better looking Rachael.

Two Face not needing the two-toned suit coat so soon....wait for the third installment.


Other than that...........this is the greatest film of its kind.

[darthspielberg]

Two-Face needs to make a comeback. And Ras Al Ghul

uh...Ras? Sure...I'm sure he survived the big train explosion. Yep.

[drob127]

Going through the massive fan reactions on the interweb computernet and I have to ask

Am I the only one that is glad Two Face died and (in theory) won't be returning for film 3. I thought it worked wonderfully in the terms of the story, and to be honest, I wouldn't want to see Harvey delegated to committing crimes with a gang of thugs. It just doesn't seem like something this Harvey would do. He is about justice, not crimes involving the number 2. This Harvey even intended to die ("You think I want to escape from this?")

The only way I see him working is if he is revealed to be alive, that he is still out for Gordon, and thats it...just a straight forward "I have a goal, its him and nothing will get in my way." otherwise, bringing him back just doesn't work for me.

also

I wouldn't mind a recast of Joker, as long as its done tastefully. I kind of like the idea thats been floating around of Joesph Gordon Levitt...but it is true that anyone who takes on the role will have to have a lot of gall. Its a tough act to follow.

So in the end, I hope a brand new villian is introduced...and Batman is triumphant (har) in the end, and Gotham gets wise to who the true hero is.

for your second spoiler i def would not one the person you said if i had my pick i would go with:daniel day lewis...he is a little older but i def can see him pulling it off, but you are intitled to your opinion so...

[drob127]

i dont even know how they could do another one...i hate to be the only one saying this but they basically tied up everything very nicley except for the joker everything else i could see it ending now

[insaneMoViEgoer]

How about a magic trick? (http://youtube.com/watch?v=hsxa8oCPZzM)

[NEo881]

well actaully im looking at diff possible story lines and the only thing i can think of to that seems close to what hapen is how about doing the storyline from year two ? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Batman:_Year_Two

[DAN!]

Another one....yummy

[darthspielberg]

for your second spoiler i def would not one the person you said if i had my pick i would go with:daniel day lewis...he is a little older but i def can see him pulling it off, but you are intitled to your opinion so...

Actually, I agree with that one too. I love that choice.

[EnderDeschain]

I would like to point some **** out that I said two years ago, after Begins, when everyone was talking about the Joker. Crispin Glover was a big name floating around.

No. No no no, damn it. I can see where you're all coming from, but there's just something not right about the guy. Nothing I've seen him in suggests to me that he would be a good Joker. The Joker has to suck in everything around him, he's like a huge black hole of insanity that you can't take your eyes off of. He's magnetic at the same time that he's psychotic. [\Quote]

[QUOTE=EnderDeschain;1945542]Willard is precisely what I was thinking of. I saw that when it came out, and yes the movie sucked, and while Glover did a good job it wasn't remotely Joker-ish. While he was sick and crazy and all and did that well, he was too withdrawn, he was weak, he was inside himself, just like in every other thing I've seen him in. That's basically my problem. It seems to me that the Joker should be an extrovert, with absolutely no fear of letting you see exactly what he is, no fear of anything, really. He's too crazy to fear. Maybe that's it, every role I've seen Crispin Glover ever play was deeply rooted in fear of some kind, especially Willard. His kind of crazy is the kind that springs from weakness, from inhibition and repression. The Joker's the exact opposite.

I believe all that **** was desribing Ledger's performance, or describing the opposite. I really don't hate to say I told you so, at all. Nicholson apologists will go on and on about how they're two different roles, but all that's just a smokescreen for the fact that he sucked. And he really did. Nicholson should have been great, but ****ing blew, and the sooner you can admit that to yourselves the sooner you'll be able to deal with reality.

[Fighting American]

I would like to point some **** out that I said two years ago, after Begins, when everyone was talking about the Joker. Crispin Glover was a big name floating around.

[QUOTE=Well****YouThisIsTheFirstOneAndICan'tSeemToQ uoteMyself.Dillweeds]No. No no no, damn it. I can see where you're all coming from, but there's just something not right about the guy. Nothing I've seen him in suggests to me that he would be a good Joker. The Joker has to suck in everything around him, he's like a huge black hole of insanity that you can't take your eyes off of. He's magnetic at the same time that he's psychotic. [\Quote]



I believe all that **** was desribing Ledger's performance, or describing the opposite. I really don't hate to say I told you so, at all. Nicholson apologists will go on and on about how they're two different roles, but all that's just a smokescreen for the fact that he sucked. And he really did. Nicholson should have been great, but ****ing blew, and the sooner you can admit that to yourselves the sooner you'll be able to deal with reality.

I must agree. Tim Burton's casting was the usual quirky stuff he likes to do....

A fat Joker.....a short, non-muscular Bruce Wayne.....a black Harvey Dent.

[sshuttari]

Tim Burton's batman films will be considered campy and fun instead of the serious take on the Batman Mythology like Christopher Nolan's films.

I honestly don't know where the story can go from this point, but I was having a hard time accepting that they could make a better/as good as a film as Begins.

anything is possible...

[sshuttari]

155 Million reporting for the weekend and 6.2 million in Imax.

it has beaten Spider-man 3's record.

[King_of_Skid_Row]

No. No. No. NO! If Glover is in the film, he MUST play the Riddler. Oh yeah, the part just has his name written all over it.

[Jedi Potter]

I think Catwoman will be in it. I didn't realize it but Wayne asked if the suit could protect against dogs and Fox said, "maybe a cat." Somebody pointed that out to me later. Maybe they could go with either Two-Face-Catwoman or Riddler-Catwoman.

[Fanible]

I wouldn't mind Catwoman. I think that line was a clever reference, but I don't know if it means anything.

[Neverending]

Tim Burton's batman films will be considered campy and fun instead of the serious take on the Batman Mythology like Christopher Nolan's films.

How are Burton's movies campy? Both Burton and Nolan did a serious and psychological take on the character. The difference is that Burton acknowledged that he was adaptating a comic book while Nolan does everything in his power to make sure people forget that you're watching a comic book adaptation.

[poeman]

What are some possible names that could work for the third movie?

I have

Dark Victory
Knightfall
Caped Crusader
Batman Redemption

[Knerys]

I'm not going to speculate.....I'm going to sit back enjoy this moment and see what the future develops.

All I'm going to say is, Nolan don't let the studios push you, don't let the exec's muscle you, don't let the fans dictate to you, you do what you need and take all the time you must.

[JBond]

Knightfall

Ew.

[Necross]

Exactly. The thing with Spiderman 3 if I recall correctly. Raimi didn't want to do Venom but because fans were clamouring for it, the execs kinda muscled him into doing it, and what happens, fans get pissed with the outcome. I hope they have enough brains to stfu and let him do his thing.

[Bales]

I got the best idea for a third installment of the Nolan Batman Trilogy.

Catwoman

Ok I know you are thinking no way. It will be great. This will give Bruce/Batman a female to chase after and then have Two Face turn around and try to take her away from him because he is still grudging on Batman for taking Rachel away from him. I know that Batman wasnt the one that took her away but I bet he has it in his head that Batman could have saved her. Yeah that could be really good.

- Catwoman causing havoc and flirting with Batman
- Batman trying to bring back Harvey from the madness
- Bruce trying to have a normal life with Selina Kyle

Let me know what you think

[drob127]

i dont think there should be a third movie

[Tornado]

Let me know what you think

Terrible. The last thing I want to see is Catwoman. I've never liked her, and frankly I think she's a lame villain. If they want to bring in only Selina Kyle as a new love interest for Bruce, then by all means.

But as far as villains go for the third film, I say put the Joker on trial, and bring in the Riddler and Black Mask.

[drob127]

i dont think nay other villians could hold up a third movie...riddler maybe but im guessing no

[halo7]

How are Burton's movies campy? Both Burton and Nolan did a serious and psychological take on the character. The difference is that Burton acknowledged that he was adaptating a comic book while Nolan does everything in his power to make sure people forget that you're watching a comic book adaptation.

You would have to convince me how The Penguin in Returns wasn't campy. Cracked put it best "When you're able to compare Forever to its previous installment, Batman Returns-a film where Danny Devito crams handfuls of raw fish into his mouth while sitting among penguins with missiles strapped to their backs in a sewer-and think, "You know, Forever is really where the villains became too campy," that's saying something. " So really, IMO, the Burton films are very campy, just not as campy as what was to come.

[DAN!]

i agree. they were all campy. they just came out at different times and with a different director. even the burtons/nicholason's joker was campy to some degree. but penguin is an obvious example

[DragnFire22]

Bring back the Joker, but not Johnny Depp or Daniel Day Lewis. Then it just becomes "Johnny Depp honoring Heath Ledger" sentimental bull****. Bale should be the big name.

[DAN!]

eh, i didn't like bale in this one. He was above average in begins, but this one he was way below par.

Al pacino will make a great joker. it will be the best performance by any actor that ever existed and will be talked about for a milllion years. it will do wonders

[drob127]

hahahaha wooha the batmans got balls

[JBond]

They should invent a new villain. (says the guy who doesn't read comics)

[drob127]

there really arent any good ones out there for the nolan universe but otherwise there are

[JBond]

I know, the villain could be Robin.

What a twist!

[drob127]

lol

[Boiiinng]

What about Harley Quinn enacting revenge on the imprisonment of her former lover? That could be fun.

Poison Ivy? Very current with the whole green movement.

Bane? One word...Steroids. So last year.


I hate to say it but I really think it might end here. Perhaps the future is Justice League or Batman vs Superman?

[DAN!]

They should invent a new villain. (says the guy who doesn't read comics)

that would be very interesting. but too many people would be against it.

I say the villain should be "Snake Bite"

-He weighs roughly 230 lbs.

-Half human, half snake. A crazy voodoo ritual in Austraillia turned him into that

-His parents were snake poachers and hunt them for sport

-As a kid all the kids called him vampire face. So he killed the main kid, who happened to be bruce wayne's best friend

-As he got older he became more snake than human.

-he had an affair with Rachel Dawes before he died and he made a tape of it and sent it to bruce

-Batman investigates and finds that Snake Bite has been robbing ATMs and is hiding at the Gotham Zoo.

-Batman goes after Snake bite and they fight but snake bite is too strong

-Batman seeks help from the "snake poaching" parents and together they come close to defeating him, but Snake gets away to wayne manner.

-At wayne manner batman is alone with snake.... until Alfred shows up and poisons batman!

Alfred: You didn't think i would kill my own son, did you master wayne?

Batman: But your parents!

Alfred: I sent young snake bite to them in a hand basket when he was an iddy biddy snake. they adobted him. and now with you out of the way, me and my son can have all your assests....

Snake Bite: Hiiiiiisssssssssssssssssssss


to be continued in Part Four......where batman takes on satan!

[Doomsday]

How are Burton's movies campy? Both Burton and Nolan did a serious and psychological take on the character. The difference is that Burton acknowledged that he was adaptating a comic book while Nolan does everything in his power to make sure people forget that you're watching a comic book adaptation.

You would have to convince me how The Penguin in Returns wasn't campy. Cracked put it best "When you're able to compare Forever to its previous installment, Batman Returns-a film where Danny Devito crams handfuls of raw fish into his mouth while sitting among penguins with missiles strapped to their backs in a sewer-and think, "You know, Forever is really where the villains became too campy," that's saying something. " So really, IMO, the Burton films are very campy, just not as campy as what was to come.

Like I said in the review thread, no one can call the Burton films corny or campy while at the same time overly praising a film where Batman turns 30 million (30,000,000....that's 8 digits) cell phones into sonar devices, gets a basic floorplan of every inch of Gotham, and STILL manages to get a direct location on Joker. If ANYTHING defines corn, it is that. Just think about that for a minute and let it sink in.

[drob127]

that would be very interesting. but too many people would be against it.

I say the villain should be "Snake Bite"

-He weighs roughly 230 lbs.

-Half human, half snake. A crazy voodoo ritual in Austraillia turned him into that

-His parents were snake poachers and hunt them for sport

-As a kid all the kids called him vampire face. So he killed the main kid, who happened to be bruce wayne's best friend

-As he got older he became more snake than human.

-he had an affair with Rachel Dawes before he died and he made a tape of it and sent it to bruce

-Batman investigates and finds that Snake Bite has been robbing ATMs and is hiding at the Gotham Zoo.

-Batman goes after Snake bite and they fight but snake bite is too strong

-Batman seeks help from the "snake poaching" parents and together they come close to defeating him, but Snake gets away to wayne manner.

-At wayne manner batman is alone with snake.... until Alfred shows up and poisons batman!

Alfred: You didn't think i would kill my own son, did you master wayne?

Batman: But your parents!

Alfred: I sent young snake bite to them in a hand basket when he was an iddy biddy snake. they adobted him. and now with you out of the way, me and my son can have all your assests....

Snake Bite: Hiiiiiisssssssssssssssssssss


to be continued in Part Four......where batman takes on satan!

hahahahahahahahahahahaha im really laughing here...you just made my night

[halo7]

Like I said in the review thread, no one can call the Burton films corny or campy while at the same time overly praising a film where Batman turns 30 million (30,000,000....that's 8 digits) cell phones into sonar devices, gets a basic floorplan of every inch of Gotham, and STILL manages to get a direct location on Joker. If ANYTHING defines corn, it is that. Just think about that for a minute and let it sink in.

I am pointing out a difference in style. I am not taking realism into the equation at all. Despite getting sonar like that from cellphones and penguins with missiles strapped to their back doing whatever a deformed fat guy says for no real reason both being quite implausible, the latter was much more cartoony and campy in terms of how it was put together. There is no denying that.

[slinger]

I agree with Necross, Heath did a really good job and I don't think anyone's every gonna be able to top that, but of course it depends on what the plot point for a third film will be and how the Joker fits into that point and if he does. Batman Begins plot point was fear, this one was chaos.

If they decide to go with another villain, I want to see them redo the Riddler in sort of Zodiac Killer way, you don't really know who he during the first half the film and he leaves clues and riddles in letter and phone calls to the police and stuff at the crime scenes for Batman.


See the Dark Victory graphic novel. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Batman:_Dark_Victory)

The series takes place mainly during Batman's third year as the Dark Knight. The plot centers on a series of murders involving Gotham City police officers by a mysterious serial killer only known as The Hangman. Central to the storyline is a territory war between Two-Face and the remnants of the Falcone mob led by Sofia Falcone.


BB and TDK drew inspirations from Batman:Year One, The Long Halloween so the third one could be from Dark Victory.

During the events of Batman: The Long Halloween (to which Dark Victory is a follow-up), Batman captured and imprisoned Alberto Falcone, the serial killer known as Holiday. Months later, a mass breakout at Arkham Asylum occurred, orchestrated by Pino and Umberto Maroni, the sons of Sal "The Boss" Maroni. The breakout is staged so in the confusion, the two can find Harvey "Two-Face" Dent and kill him as a peace-offering to Sofia Gigante Falcone. In the aftermath, Alberto is granted conditional parole based on his actions during the riot. Soon after, police officers began to die, one on each major holiday, with crude hangman games pinned to their hung corpses... and the facts suggesting that Harvey Dent is the killer.

The new district attorney, Janice Porter, began working on the case while Alberto was put up by his enigmatic brother Mario, who had just returned from exile in Italy. Alberto also took in his sister, Sofia, who barely survived an encounter with Catwoman in The Long Halloween and was confined to a wheelchair due to her injuries. Sofia nevertheless continued to manage the flagging Falcone empire.

As the Hangman's spree of terror escalated, so too did Two-Face's war with Sofia and her family. The collateral damage of the war included the parents of Dick Grayson, who was taken in by Bruce Wayne. Two-Face enlists the aid of his fellow 'freaks' to destroy the remainders of Gotham's Mafia; his lieutenants included The Joker, Scarecrow, The Penguin, The Riddler, Poison Ivy, Mr. Freeze, The Mad Hatter, and Solomon Grundy. Mario, who had an alliance with Janice Porter, was soon faced with isolation as Porter began a secret affair with Two-Face and was eventually slain by him. At the same time, however, Two-Face saved Gordon's life when the Hangman tried to hang him on the Batsignal, stating that he wasn't the killer.

The endgame of the battle came on the following Halloween; Sofia revealed that she was never disabled, and that she committed the Hangman murders, targeting all the cops- whether honest or crooked- who had helped Harvey Dent's career. She then suffocated Alberto to death. She opened the gas lines and set Gotham City ablaze to smoke out Two-Face, who was hiding in the sewers. Saved by Batman, Two-Face turned on Sofia and shot her to death. Escaping to a cordoned-off subterranean area, Two-Face (along with Freeze, Ivy, and the Joker) found themselves in the Batcave.

Batman's secrets would have been laid bare except for the timely intervention of Dick, who had been training in secret. Wearing his old circus uniform, he made his debut as Robin and helped Batman defeat most of the villains. When at last stood Two-Face and Batman, Two-Face stated that Gotham belonged to him. The Joker appeared at the last moment, shooting Two-Face, who falls off a cliff. Robin then helps incapacitate Joker. Elsewhere, Mario Falcone, a lonely broken man, burns down his mansion having lost everything. Catwoman then visits the grave of Carmine Falcone and reveals that Falcone may in fact be her father. It is shown that not only has Two-Face survived, but he has Carmine's body, frozen. In the final pages Batman offers Dick a chance to escape the neverending crusade against crime. Dick refuses and Batman declares that the two are now Batman and Robin. Batman states that he still is following the oath he made to his parents but now he is not alone.

Now you could remove the Robin stuff, change some things around with the mob and possibly have the audience guessing if Harvey is alive or dead but have the murders look like he did it. The Riddler could be behind these murders

i dont even know how they could do another one...i hate to be the only one saying this but they basically tied up everything very nicley except for the joker everything else i could see it ending now

Prequel? Something taking place between BB and TDK? Not going to happena and wouldn't make sense. But I agree, it would've been better if they planned this for the 3rd film and had something in between.

Exactly. The thing with Spiderman 3 if I recall correctly. Raimi didn't want to do Venom but because fans were clamouring for it, the execs kinda muscled him into doing it, and what happens, fans get pissed with the outcome. I hope they have enough brains to stfu and let him do his thing.

They let him for the first two so I don't see why not. Funny how Nolan came in with only Memento and Insomnia and sold them on letting him have control while Raimi had finished two Spider-Mans and yet couldn't keep Venom out.

I know, the villain could be Robin.

What a twist!

That actually happened. With the 2nd Robin. Who came back from the dead.

[Neverending]

You would have to convince me how The Penguin in Returns wasn't campy.

He wasn't. He was a bit silly at times, but not campy. I mean...how can that character be campy when his plan was to KILLL CHILDREN. Yes, go back and watch the movie. That was his plan. Child Murders and Camp do not belong in the same sentence.

[Tornado]

Like I said in the review thread, no one can call the Burton films corny or campy while at the same time overly praising a film where Batman turns 30 million (30,000,000....that's 8 digits) cell phones into sonar devices, gets a basic floorplan of every inch of Gotham, and STILL manages to get a direct location on Joker. If ANYTHING defines corn, it is that. Just think about that for a minute and let it sink in.

That's not corny at all! It may be ridiculously unrealistic, but it's far from being corny or campy.

[Knerys]

Like I said in the review thread, no one can call the Burton films corny or campy while at the same time overly praising a film where Batman turns 30 million (30,000,000....that's 8 digits) cell phones into sonar devices, gets a basic floorplan of every inch of Gotham, and STILL manages to get a direct location on Joker. If ANYTHING defines corn, it is that. Just think about that for a minute and let it sink in.

How does that define corn? The point was to use the phones to pin point him and .....oh look at that it did! Weren't they using voice recogition to narrow it down as well?


Sorry, but makes sense to me.

[Boiiinng]

They used voice recognition to pinpoint his location, but used the sonar to navigate Batman through the floors of hostages/SWAT. Which is another thing that bothers me, once Batman found out that the clowns were hostages, couldn't he have just phoned Gordon to call off the SWAT attack?

[halo7]

They used voice recognition to pinpoint his location, but used the sonar to navigate Batman through the floors of hostages/SWAT. Which is another thing that bothers me, once Batman found out that the clowns were hostages, couldn't he have just phoned Gordon to call off the SWAT attack?

Yeah but which would have made a better scene, Batman calling Gordon and just being like "Stop the SWAT team!" or him stopping the SWAT team himself by beating the **** out of them. I think we know the answer ;).

[FranklinTard]

^ some more nolan brand 'realism' for ya right there!

[Diablo]

^ some more nolan brand 'realism' for ya right there!

At the end of the day it's still a movie. ;)

[Knerys]

They used voice recognition to pinpoint his location, but used the sonar to navigate Batman through the floors of hostages/SWAT. Which is another thing that bothers me, once Batman found out that the clowns were hostages, couldn't he have just phoned Gordon to call off the SWAT attack?

I would have liked to see Gordon explain that one away....Besides by the time he figured it out I don't think there would have been enough time. He was busy running around with the ferries.

[Doomsday]

How does that define corn? The point was to use the phones to pin point him and .....oh look at that it did! Weren't they using voice recogition to narrow it down as well?


Sorry, but makes sense to me.

Yeah it makes sense, but it doesn't hide the fact that the entire concept of the sonar, then the little white eyes with Fox's first person shooter aide is still.......absolutely ridiculous. Maybe the excitement is still pumping through the veins of most people, but watch it in a couple years and try not to roll your eyes at just how stupid of a concept it is.

[JBond]

OK, I've stayed silent long enough on the phone thing. I'm confused. I'm going to assume you're aware of the explination behind the first sonar phone early in the movie, correct? That the phones viberated and sent the info back to the phone? Because that's good enough for me for a movie, it's plausible in some sense. I'm going to assume what bothers you is that they were able to get these into everybody's phone somehow in a day or so. I'm not sure, because you keep bringing up the idea of sonar phones, and not that fact that everyone all of the sudden had one.

[DragnFire22]

Plus, they kept hinting at something big.

"The entire R&D department disappeared...."
"Government telecommuncations project..."
Wayne: "I'm keeping this one close to the vest..."

[sshuttari]

I can't wait to watch this on blu-ray with subtitles on so I can finally know what the heck I missed.

[Tornado]

I can't wait to watch this on blu-ray with subtitles on so I can finally know what the heck I missed.

Haha, no kidding. What the hell did Alfred say when he was on the boat talking to Bruce about the Russian ballerinas? A lot of my theater laughed, but I had no idea at all what he said.

[Knerys]

Yeah it makes sense, but it doesn't hide the fact that the entire concept of the sonar, then the little white eyes with Fox's first person shooter aide is still.......absolutely ridiculous. Maybe the excitement is still pumping through the veins of most people, but watch it in a couple years and try not to roll your eyes at just how stupid of a concept it is.

The white eyes are homage to the eyes in the comic and Animated Series. I thought it was a nice touch.

And they won't let you bring cell phones into government facilties now because of the potential for eavesdropping. It's not that much of a stretch that they could use sonar to map a room. Especially in the capacity of a movie.

Yes Nolan's going for realism but it's still in a make believe realm.

[JBond]

Haha, no kidding. What the hell did Alfred say when he was on the boat talking to Bruce about the Russian ballerinas? A lot of my theater laughed, but I had no idea at all what he said.

I thought he said "What's Russian for "put your own suntan lotion on"?"

But I couldn't hear a lot, as well.

[Boiiinng]

Plus, they kept hinting at something big.

"The entire R&D department disappeared...."
"Government telecommuncations project..."
Wayne: "I'm keeping this one close to the vest..."

I forgot about that stuff. So perhaps the only phones they could use for this were new ones just put into circulation within the past year by companies Wayne owns? But still, he would have to rely on the phones actually being turned on and receiving signals, which is what makes it unbelievable that enough people would be talking on their phone to generate enough sonar to map an image.

[sshuttari]

Haha, no kidding. What the hell did Alfred say when he was on the boat talking to Bruce about the Russian ballerinas? A lot of my theater laughed, but I had no idea at all what he said.

yeah same here, and a lot of other stuff and It annoys me the music was blaring while Gordon was giving his speech at the end scene.

I still don't know what he said completely and I've seen the film twice now.

[DragnFire22]

I forgot about that stuff. So perhaps the only phones they could use for this were new ones just put into circulation within the past year by companies Wayne owns? But still, he would have to rely on the phones actually being turned on and receiving signals, which is what makes it unbelievable that enough people would be talking on their phone to generate enough sonar to map an image.

The city is being plagued by a crazy clown terrorist, who has rigged boats with explosives during an evacuation. I'm sure tons of people would be on the phone trying to figure out what to do.

[DragnFire22]

yeah same here, and a lot of other stuff and It annoys me the music was blaring while Gordon was giving his speech at the end scene.

I still don't know what he said completely and I've seen the film twice now.

I had no problem hearing anything through the movie. I heard Gordon's speech clear as day.

[Doomsday]

I'm not sure, because you keep bringing up the idea of sonar phones, and not that fact that everyone all of the sudden had one.

I got the first time they did it, since it was clear that Lucius Fox specially developed the two phones in order to rig the building in China. But my problem is that somehow, I'm to assume that every cell phone in Gotham, all 30 million of them, even the older Verizon models like the one I own, is turned into the same thing? And easily monitored by one guy? The same guy who just happens to pinpoint the Joker's exact location in the nick of time? I know you'll say "oh he probably used voice recognition" or something, but just the fact that 30 million cell phones are now sonar devices mapping out every square inch of Gotham is a bit much. A lot much actually. I was half expecting Q to show up and take over for a while. ;)

[nine1wing]

I hate to say it but I hope there isn't another batman movie. No other movie will top this one. As far as story 2face can go either way. I'm content with how the movie ended. The one thing I loved in this movie and not in the first keaton batman was Heath the joker actually fought back and hurt batman LOVED IT. Also, anyone else walk away with the feeling they just watched revenge of the sith, I mean by key good characters die, the hero is on the run ect.

[JBond]

I got the first time they did it, since it was clear that Lucius Fox specially developed the two phones in order to rig the building in China. But my problem is that somehow, I'm to assume that every cell phone in Gotham, all 30 million of them, even the older Verizon models like the one I own, is turned into the same thing? And easily monitored by one guy? The same guy who just happens to pinpoint the Joker's exact location in the nick of time? I know you'll say "oh he probably used voice recognition" or something, but just the fact that 30 million cell phones are now sonar devices mapping out every square inch of Gotham is a bit much. A lot much actually. I was half expecting Q to show up and take over for a while. ;)

Heh, speaking of Q, I thought the scene between Wayne and Fox(?) was too reminiscent of Bond/Q scenes. He had that line about "Didn't you read the manual?" after having blades fly into the wall.

[DragnFire22]

I know you'll say "oh he probably used voice recognition" or something,

Wayne specifically told him to use voice recognition based on a sample of the Joker's voice from the videos.


As far as Two Face goes. I think it's safe to say that the only person that knows if he is alive or dead is Nolan. They left it fairly vague. No coffin at the funeral. Foreshadowing of surviving a fall. No specific language in the dialogue to assert his death. Toss in Gordon's stunt and Nolan's knack for twists, and you could easily bring Two Face back. And who says he has to come back as a guy leading a gang to rob banks or any of that stupid crap? I'm sure Nolan and Co would have a better reason than that.

[Doomsday]

Heh, speaking of Q, I thought the scene between Wayne and Fox(?) was too reminiscent of Bond/Q scenes. He had that line about "Didn't you read the manual?" after having blades fly into the wall.

"Will it stop a bullet?"
"Anything but a straight shot."
"You're joking."
"I never joke about my work, Mr. Wayne."


After demolishing the Tumbler....

"Fox isn't going to like this."

[JBond]

"Yes, but can it withstand attacks from dogs?"
"Grow up, 00-Wayne"

[sshuttari]

I'm hoping we finally get to see the upgraded batcave and a new batmobile.

[Doomsday]

If they do another Batmobile, which I assume they will, I hope it's different from the Tumbler. Not that I disliked the Tumbler, it would just be kinda lame if they redid the exact same thing. Maybe make it more of a sleek model instead of a tank, I dunno.

[DAN!]

or, keep it the same design but make it pink!

[Boiiinng]

I think they could make it a little closer to the streamlined versions.

I'll admit I totally geeked out when the Batpod came out of the tumbler. I wasn't expecting that at all.

[JBond]

I was, then again, it was in some TV spots.

[Fanible]

A lot of people were speculating that that is where it would come from, because it would explain the large wheels.

And, yes, a new Batmobile would be cool. It would also address the blueprints, since it's an old design, just simply turned black. They could design the next one from scratch, an original vehicle specifically made for them.

[drob127]

A lot of people were speculating that that is where it would come from, because it would explain the large wheels.

And, yes, a new Batmobile would be cool. It would also address the blueprints, since it's an old design, just simply turned black. They could design the next one from scratch, an original vehicle specifically made for them.

me and you were talking about that...everyone keeps saying there was no coffin...i dont think it was a funeral it looked like what they did for the commissioner

[Necross]

"Yes, but can it withstand attacks from dogs?"
"Grow up, 00-Wayne"

Pretty funny, except for the fact that Batman is better than Bond. :)

As for the cellphone thing, he didn't use all of them. He said something about using half the populations cellphones. Most likely a rough guesstimate, as some probably couldn't be used. ;)

Also, you guys must have some awful theatres, I could hear everything perfectly in mine.

[Knerys]

or, keep it the same design but make it pink!

Die. :angry:

[Boiiinng]

I was, then again, it was in some TV spots.

Yeah, I stayed away from those.

Pretty funny, except for the fact that Batman is better than Bond. :)

As for the cellphone thing, he didn't use all of them. He said something about using half the populations cellphones. Most likely a rough guesstimate, as some probably couldn't be used. ;)

Also, you guys must have some awful theatres, I could hear everything perfectly in mine.

Not bad theaters, just managers who turn the fronts up too much.

[DragnFire22]

Batman star Christian Bale has been arrested by detectives investigating claims he assaulted his mother and sister, police sources say.

His arrest comes just a day after the actor attended the premiere of his new film, The Dark Knight, in London.

Bale, 34, is alleged to have lashed out at the two family members in his suite at Park Lane's Dorchester Hotel on Sunday.

The British actor, who plays the Caped Crusader, is being questioned at a central London police station, sources added.

The two women, who live in Dorset, went to a Hampshire police station yesterday
to make a formal allegation.

The complaint about the actor was then passed to the Metropolitan Police for
further investigation.

A police spokeswoman said: "A 34-year-old man attended a central London police station this morning by appointment.

"He was arrested in connection with an allegation of assault. He currently remains in custody."

Bale had joined Batman co-stars Sir Michael Caine, Maggie Gyllenhaal and Aaron Eckhart at the Odeon West End cinema in Leicester Square last night.

LOL

[slinger]

Wayne specifically told him to use voice recognition based on a sample of the Joker's voice from the videos.


As far as Two Face goes. I think it's safe to say that the only person that knows if he is alive or dead is Nolan. They left it fairly vague. No coffin at the funeral. Foreshadowing of surviving a fall. No specific language in the dialogue to assert his death. Toss in Gordon's stunt and Nolan's knack for twists, and you could easily bring Two Face back. And who says he has to come back as a guy leading a gang to rob banks or any of that stupid crap? I'm sure Nolan and Co would have a better reason than that.

It wasn't an actual funeral, just a press conference.

I took the ending that Batman was blamed for Dent's death and those that Dent killed. If a crooked cop was killed by Batman, well its not that bad in the public's eyes but if The Dark Knight killed The White Knight, then he would be hated and hunted. Two Face's existence is to punish those who were responsible for Rachel's death. All he has left is The Joker as he flipped his coin for everyone else, with Batman getting the scarred coin and Gordon's son getting the good side.

As for the Tumbler, they'll keep it a contemporary tank-like model I would imagine. I liked the "batcave" that was used in TDK so if Wayne ever does venture back to the cave I would only want to see the computer screens and a storage chambers nothing that was shown in the previous versions.

[DragnFire22]

It wasn't an actual funeral, just a press conference.

I took the ending that Batman was blamed for Dent's death and those that Dent killed. If a crooked cop was killed by Batman, well its not that bad in the public's eyes but if The Dark Knight killed The White Knight, then he would be hated and hunted. Two Face's existence is to punish those who were responsible for Rachel's death. All he has left is The Joker as he flipped his coin for everyone else, with Batman getting the scarred coin and Gordon's son getting the good side.

As for the Tumbler, they'll keep it a contemporary tank-like model I would imagine. I liked the "batcave" that was used in TDK so if Wayne ever does venture back to the cave I would only want to see the computer screens and a storage chambers nothing that was shown in the previous versions.

I highly doubt they'd have giant pictures of Dent at a press conference. Based on those pictures and the setting, I'd say it was a funeral.

Here's something I don't understand. Why not blame the Joker for the deaths of all the people Dent killed? Why does Batman have to take the blame?

[DragnFire22]

Batman’s Admission: Bale Tells NPR the Suit Stirred Thoughts of ‘Great Violence’

"You feel like you can achieve great violence very easily. You feel very defended, as well, and protected by it. And so, consequently, you get very aggressive once you're inside of the suit."

http://www.breitbart.tv/html/136383.html

I'd feel aggresive too.

[Neverending]

So he was wearing the suit when he beat up his family? ;)

[slinger]

Here's something I don't understand. Why not blame the Joker for the deaths of all the people Dent killed? Why does Batman have to take the blame?

The hostages and Joker's men would probably vouch that he was in the building during the time of the murders. Plus the SWAT team already picked up The Joker and like Gordon said they, the GCPD, don't know the situation so Batman could be the one who threatened his family.

[nine1wing]

I highly doubt they'd have giant pictures of Dent at a press conference. Based on those pictures and the setting, I'd say it was a funeral.

Here's something I don't understand. Why not blame the Joker for the deaths of all the people Dent killed? Why does Batman have to take the blame?

I think he took the blame to scare the bad guys that he would kill. Think about it, when eric roberts was talking to batman and said we all know your 1 rule (doesn't kill) the joker doesn't have any rules. Thats pretty much the inner story of the movie, will he cross over and kill someone. Now that he took the blame the bad guys will be in fear again

[drob127]

i have a feeling anthony michael hall will become a villian

[JBond]

He always has been one of mine.

Damn kid, letting the Breakfast Club make him do their homework...

And who was the only one who didn't hook up with someone? That's right, AMH. Grow some balls, man!

[DragnFire22]

The hostages and Joker's men would probably vouch that he was in the building during the time of the murders. Plus the SWAT team already picked up The Joker and like Gordon said they, the GCPD, don't know the situation so Batman could be the one who threatened his family.

Yeah, but 1.) Harvey was killing those people before the Police descended on the Joker's building. 2.) you think a jury would take the word of men who were helping the Joker kill people?

I think he took the blame to scare the bad guys that he would kill. Think about it, when eric roberts was talking to batman and said we all know your 1 rule (doesn't kill) the joker doesn't have any rules. Thats pretty much the inner story of the movie, will he cross over and kill someone. Now that he took the blame the bad guys will be in fear again

That's a pretty good explanation. Kudos. ;)

[drob127]

i was really happy with the way two face looked. the only time it looked fake was his left eye was kinda higher then his other but this is prolly the best interpretation from comic to film. the joker was too. i am only talking about appearances

[DragnFire22]

the eye wasn't higher, it was just that the flesh that covers the majority of the eyeball was burned away.

[drob127]

i mean the pupil and all not the ball itself. it was only like two times

[djimon123]

Iam sorry but do yuo all think they should make a sequel?

i mean lets face it this movie was so damn good that i dont see how they can top it . its a FACT this was the greatest comic book movie ever how are they supposed to top that?

i dont knw i want to see a movie with Two Face but honeslty this movie was to good ..that another one i feel is gonna be a let down no matter what

[djimon123]

And imo having a villain like riddler wouldnt fit very well into the next movie

think about it i know its hard to top the Joker but if we go from a villain like Joker who was this meancing, homicidal maniac who was bent on destruction and anarachy than you want to go to a villain like riddler who is into using riddles as his weapon
? i mean come on talk about anti climatic

i like riddler alot but i just dont see him working well in a movie espeicaly nolans take

i say bring back Two Face.... have Catwoman and a small role for Penguin

[jbailey84]

i thought this was a copy of the Batman Sequel (Begins) thread.

why cant it be named Dark Knight Sequel? little easier ;)

[Necross]

Yeah, but 1.) Harvey was killing those people before the Police descended on the Joker's building. 2.) you think a jury would take the word of men who were helping the Joker kill people?





You are right, but these things only become an issue if he's caught and put on trial. I don't think he ever intends to be caught lol, if he is, nothing will hold up, but for now they can say he did it and have the outcome he wants.

[DragnFire22]

You are right, but these things only become an issue if he's caught and put on trial. I don't think he ever intends to be caught lol, if he is, nothing will hold up, but for now they can say he did it and have the outcome he wants.

No, they don't only become an issue if he's caught and put on a trial. If they had pinned it on the Joker from the start, the public would still like Batman, the Joker still goes to jail, and Dent's reputation is saved.

[DragnFire22]

Two pretty good stories....

EXCLUSIVE: Arrested Batman star 'flew into a rage after his mother insulted his wife'

By Mark Coleman, Dan Newling and Tom Kelly
Last updated at 2:24 PM on 23rd July 2008

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2008/07/23/article-1037313-020A302300000578-818_233x423.jpg
Bale on bail: Actor Christian Bale leaving London's Belgravia police station yesterday

Batman star Christian Bale confronted his mother after she allegedly insulted his wife, MailOnline has learned.

Sources close to the actor said he 'flew off the handle' at London's Dorchester hotel after Jenny Bale said 'some outrageous things'.

Yesterday, the Welsh-born actor was arrested and bailed over an assault claim, which he has denied.

However, a source close to the 34-year-old actor says Bale is confident he’s done nothing wrong, and blames his mother.

He is also said to have become depressed over the death of close friend and co-star Heath Ledger.

The source said: ‘Christian was stressed, but he didn’t lay a finger on anyone. Instead, he flew off the handle and cussed his mother. He just got very loud because his mother was saying some very outrageous things about him, and his wife.’

‘Christian's attitude is that this was his mother's fault because she became very provocative in an argument they were having,’ the source said, adding: ‘Things got out of control and he now says he wishes he just left the room.

‘Normally Christian would just call a friend and go out to a pub to cool off. But he was literally trapped into this confrontation with his mother and sister because there was an army of fans and paparazzi outside.’

The incident apparently comes at a time when his marriage to Sandra 'Sibi' Blazic, a former model and make-up artist, is enduring difficulties.

'He has stresses in his marriage,' the source said. 'He can have a terrible temper. Instead of lashing out at his wife, he sometimes lashes out at people around him.'

The source added: ‘His marriage is not perfect, but his relationship with his mother is in much more trouble.

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2008/07/23/article-1037313-020799ED00000578-590_468x725.jpg
Arrested: Bale, pictured on Monday night at the Dark Knight premiere in London with wife Sibi, is accused of assault

‘They're going to need a "cooling off" period because his mother said some pretty outrageous things to him that really set him off.

‘He regrets the way she treated him in their argument a lot more than having to talk to police about it. Christian has admitted that something just snapped, but he didn't threaten anyone with violence.

‘He's under a lot of pressure right now and simply got incredibly loud with members of his family around. I think his wife is going to be very important to him after all this is over because she does, at the end of the day, know how to calm him down.’

Bale's wife, who has been married to him for eight years, was by his side at the premiere of The Dark Knight, which was also attended by co-stars Sir Michael Caine, Maggie Gyllenhaal and Aaron Eckhart.

The source also claimed Bale had been deeply affected by the death of Ledger, who was found dead earlier this year from an overdose of anti-depressants and sleeping tablets.

'Without Ledger around, he's found it more and more difficult to communicate with those around him, especially his family.’

It was reported he found it hard to shake off the mental strains of the role, and told an interviewer he was having trouble sleeping.

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Friends: Bale, pictured with Heath Ledger at the after party of his film Rescue Dawn in June 2007, was deeply upset by the death of his friend and co-star in January

The two actors, known for being intense about their craft, formed a friendship when they both played Bob Dylan in the 2007 movie I’m Not There.

A friend said: 'Christian pretends he's calm and collected but you really started to see the cracks in his façade in January, right after Heath Ledger had died.

'Christian was in the middle of a very brief break from work when he heard the news, and it was massive blow to him.

'They had become very close during the making of The Dark Knight and Christian went into virtual hiding for the six weeks after Heath was found dead.

‘He wasn't returning phone calls and he wasn't a happy man. It's foolish to think that he's been able to completely shake off that grief just as Heath and his work is finally being seen by audiences.

'He expected to share this moment with his friend, and now he can't.

In a recent interview, Bale admitted that he has been depressed and has experienced bouts of insomnia.

Yesterday he spent nearly five hours being questioned at Belgravia police station.

The multi-millionaire actor, who shot to fame aged 13, refused to comment as he was driven back to the Dorchester in one of the hotel's limousines.

His spokesman said he denied the accusations against him and claimed that the assault allegation was made by Bale's mother and sister.

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Family drama: Bale's mother Jenny, pictured left with the actor in 2000, and sister Sharon, right, outside her home in Dorset yesterday

His lawyer said: ‘Christian Bale attended a London police station today, on a voluntary basis, in order to assist with an allegation that had been made against him to the police by his mother and sister.

‘Mr Bale who denies the allegation, co-operated throughout, gave his account in full of the events in question, and has left the station without any charge being made against him by the police. At this time, there will be no further comment by Mr. Bale.’

However, talking to the Daily Mail yesterday, Bale's mother Jenny insisted she was not the one who called police.

Sharon and Jenny Bale had travelled from their homes in Dorset to attend Monday night's premiere in London's Leicester Square.

They were in Bale's hotel suite in Park Lane on Sunday when the actor allegedly angrily lashed out at them.

Having been told about the incident, police waited until they had spoken to his alleged victims before taking action.

Sharon and Jenny Bale called at a Hampshire police station on Monday to make their statements, which were then passed on to the Metropolitan Police for further investigation.

Bale agreed to be interviewed yesterday. He arrived at Belgravia police station at 11.40am and did not leave until 4.20pm.

He was released on bail until September pending further inquiries.

Yesterday, at her £275,000, detached house in Dorset, Jenny Bale said: 'Yes I was there and yes there was a family situation but the police are handling it and I cannot say any more at the moment. We didn't call the police to the scene. I can't say any more but we didn't call the police.'

Computer programmer Sharon initially denied any knowledge of an assault, but then admitted there was 'an incident'.

Talking at her £240,000 semi-detached home in nearby Wimborne she said: 'There was an incident but the police are dealing with it. It is an extremely sensitive situation.'



Christian Bale: Boy from the circus who was a star at 13

BY PAUL BRACCI

'Batman arrested!' It is a headline that even ardent fans of the world's most enduring superhero could never have predicted.

But, then again, the life of Christian Bale has never been conventional.

Brought up in Haverfordwest, Wales, his late father David was a pilot and his mother Jenny a circus performer and dancer. His grandfather had been a ventriloquist and stand-up comedian.

The young Christian used to watch his mother performing. There were other perks too. Recalling those days, he said: 'I'd be in a caravan with beautiful women who would walk around naked except for fishnets and peacock headdresses.'

Understandably, he spent his childhood moving around. At one time or another, the family lived in Portugal and the U.S., before settling in Bournemouth.

He was just 13, with no drama training, when he was plucked by Steven Spielberg from 4,000 hopefuls to star as a boy in a Japanese prisoner-of-war camp in the 1987 epic Empire Of The Sun.

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Leading man: Bale as Batman in The Dark Knight

Back home on the south coast, the real schoolboy became a victim of bullies jealous of his success. 'Girls were all over me, boys just wanted to fight me,' Bale would recall.

'I found myself getting into fights I didn't want to have with children who wanted to say, "I hit that geezer who was in the film."

'I had the local paper trying to take shots of me cycling to school. That wasn't fun. I would walk down the street and feel like a freak. I lost a year because I became almost reclusive.'

Even today he is something of a rarity in Hollywood - shunning showbusiness parties, and spending his spare time raising money for animal welfare and campaigning for mountain gorillas in Rwanda.

It was a passion he inherited from his father, who became a renowned environmentalist in the U.S. His parents separated when he was 13 and his father went on to marry feminist writer Gloria Steinem.

Bale, who has two older sisters, followed his father to California to continue his acting career when he was 17 (he says he has visited his native Wales just once since then). He was at his father's side when he died in 2003.

Bale's impressive CV now includes films such as Captain Corelli's Mandolin and American Psycho.

He took method acting to a new level for his 2004 role as paranoid Trevor Reznik in The Machinist when he turned himself into almost a human skeleton.

The 6ft Bale survived on a cup of coffee and an apple a day, his weight dropping to eight-and-a-half stone. His mother said: 'He lost so much weight. I was horrified.'

Today Bale is married to Sandra 'Sibi' Blazic, a former personal assistant to Winona Ryder, and the couple have a three-year-old daughter, Emmaline.

[Knerys]

Maybe it's because Dent was at the scene. Joker was already got at that point but you have Dent at the scene threatening Gordon's Family. You have Dent physical threathening Ramirez.

There's also the idea of potential witnesses. Then again the cops were coming and it could be a knee Jerk decision.

[DragnFire22]

Maybe it's because Dent was at the scene. Joker was already got at that point but you have Dent at the scene threatening Gordon's Family. You have Dent physical threathening Ramirez.

There's also the idea of potential witnesses. Then again the cops were coming and it could be a knee Jerk decision.

Batman taking the blame for killing those people doesn't change the fact that Ramirez was threatened.

[Knerys]

Well he said "for all of it."

Bottom line is both he and Dent were there with Gordon. It would be easier to shift blame to him especially if anyone happened to see the altercation. At least in theory...

[DragnFire22]

Wouldn't be easier to put the murders on Joker, and tell the cops that Dent fought off the thugs that were threatening Gordon's family? (assuming they aren't hiding Dent).

[Knerys]

I need to see it again. I having trouble recalling some details...

Only gone once. :(

[halo7]

Batman wouldn't pin it on the Joker, that is not his way.

[DragnFire22]

Why do you say that?

[Knerys]

Righteousness, heh.

Halo has a point. It would kinda play into the Jokers hands. Framing him and all. Batman stands against injustice, he doesn't want to create it.

[theBsharps]

Hi, im new to these forums and made this account simply to tell this idea, and see what you guys think. Just to let you know this will be a long post im gonna get it all out,so sorry. First off the dark knight is now my favorite movie and i didnt even want a sequel at first, but now i feel i want a trilogy with a finale. I don't have all the ideas down for a third but i think nolan can take care of that.
So i feel the third film should be named simply batman, I know itd be the same title as the burton flick, but itd be neat to end the series with just his name. (By the time this thing would come out it would have been more than 20 years) I like the idea of batman begins, the dark knight, and then batman. Now my idea of the plot first ive heard speculation as to whether or not harveys dead, i have no idea. So either way, if hes dead fine but i hope he isn't. I think itd be great to see dents transformation be a cover up, hes acctually in arkum but he gets out to go after the police and the very people he put away the mob. Ill continue this later i want to see what people have to say to these ideas, and tell me yours.

[Knerys]

Honestly.....This is Nolan's baby. And I'm really interested in seeing were his vision leads.

I have no real spectulations, nor do I feel inclined to create any.

[theBsharps]

So now dents out and batman has him to take down. My main idea for the third is to have batman finally get to stop being batman. so set it fro 3-6 years after dark knight. I know that seems like a short amount of time for bruce to be bats but nolans whole idea is for realism and theres no way he could do it any longer (if i remember he was turning 30 in begins.) Obviously he won't be able to do away with all crime but the major things. So i don't have huge plot points but the jist of it would be batman taking down the mob. The mob has been connected to all the major villians in some way in the first 2. Dent being out hating the mob, he'd be after them to.
Now cast, we have catwomen thrown in but as more of a mystery. She could be involved because if i remember in dark victory she turns out to be like the bastard child of falcone. Now id cast her as angelina jolie. I hope this doesn't take away any credibility i have but shes myserious, attractive, and a fairly good actress. So as with all of these characters I don't know there exact roles but I believe theyd fit. So then we have Penguin played by Philip seymour hoffman as and informant but a dirty buissness man that batman goes to for news. Just a side thought i think it would be neat to have all these "freaks" pop up after the appearance of joker all those years back. Then this is the character that might not work but i really want to see, Bane. Now they could do him fairly believably just have him be a freak steroid guy. I just feel hed be a real eye popper and he could just be more of a thorn in batmans side while he tries to take out the mob. I believe jake gyllenhaal would be great because hes a great actor and turn out a really surprise performance. I would have never thought of him, but Ledger blew me away and sadly when i first heard his name i was skeptical. So i think gyllenhaal could do it and hes tried to be in so many super hero movies, i mean he wouldn't be just bein a pretty boy he'd have a mask on. Id pick jake but if not Jackie Earle Haley, but what do you think?

Also i feel joker not appearing would be fime i feel he came in the dark kinght and taught batman what he needed. Joker did his thing and i don't think it would be neccesary to see him again. (and the idea of re-casting him if disguisting.) So what do you all think? and thanks for reading

[theBsharps]

I understand what your saying but i just thought it was an interesting idea, and really id pick anything he came up with over this. Just for conversation though could you give me some feedback or villians youd like to see? Or is there another forum that is better for this?

[Necross]

Wouldn't be easier to put the murders on Joker, and tell the cops that Dent fought off the thugs that were threatening Gordon's family? (assuming they aren't hiding Dent).

Because there weren't any thugs? They had the area surrounded, so it was only Batman, Gordon's family and Dent in there. I think it would be harder to believe that Batman would have just let the thugs get away. I'm going with the belief that Dent died. So what were they gonna do? "Oh hi, yeah, the thugs went that way, we've been standing in here waiting for you guys to show up to tell you instead of going after them. What? That gunshot? Oh nothing, I tripped."

PS, I misread your last post, I thought the stuff about the jury and such were comments to how people would vouch that it couldn't have been Batman, not the Joker.

And I also agree with Halo, Batman wouldn't let anyone go down for crimes they actually didn't commit, even someone like the Joker.

[FranklinTard]

so you can call the cops on people for swearing at you?

yikes.

[DragnFire22]

Because there weren't any thugs? They had the area surrounded, so it was only Batman, Gordon's family and Dent in there. I think it would be harder to believe that Batman would have just let the thugs get away. I'm going with the belief that Dent died. So what were they gonna do? "Oh hi, yeah, the thugs went that way, we've been standing in here waiting for you guys to show up to tell you instead of going after them. What? That gunshot? Oh nothing, I tripped."

Batman ran from the cops. Thugs could have too, especially if they would have taken off before Batman and Gordon's little dialogue. Batman could have easily snuck off like he always does, leaving Dent and Gordon's family. Gordon tells them thugs had his family and Dent and Batman came to help. Thugs pushed Dent off the building, Batman fought off the thugs (under gunfire), and they got away when Bat's tried to save Dent. If we are operating under the idea that Dent is dead, then Dent was killed by the Joker's thugs (him being the last of the Joker's targets, after the cops and mobsters Dent actually killed). And Batman is still loved, because he stopped the Joker.
[/QUOTE]

so you can call the cops on people for swearing at you?

yikes.

He's the God-damned Batman.

[Necross]

Batman wouldn't pin it on the Joker, that is not his way.

Righteousness, heh.

Halo has a point. It would kinda play into the Jokers hands. Framing him and all. Batman stands against injustice, he doesn't want to create it.


Weee.

[Moviegoer]

I just hate that Hale Berry butchered the Cat woman image...so I hope that if Nolan is bringing a Cat woman in, it is successful. What about Harley Quinn, or Rahul Al Ghul's daughter for lover interests. Rahul Al Ghul is immortal. :)

[Necross]

Not in Nolan's universe, he tries to keep it as realistic as possible, which in my personal opinion makes it much cooler.

[sabin26]

I would love to see Nolan's take on The Riddler, I want a darker take not that crap Jim Carrey did when I think of The Riddler. Course I would also love to see Mr. Freeze done right as well.

[Knerys]

Ok breaking my vow...


Not liking the idea of Catwoman honestly....I mean if you want to slip a woman named Selina in there I wouldn't mind, but not really seeing how Catwoman could fit into all of this....


I'd kind like to see Talia....tie it all together.

[Necross]

I think Catwoman could fit, this movie only touched base on some other vigilantes, like the guys in the bad batman outfits, she could be a more serious one. With the way Dark Knight ended, I could see it playing out as the public hating him and coming to love this new vigilante who has appeared, but we all know how things really are. I honestly don't expect a third to be better than the dark knight. I usually am optimisitc, have hopes that series just get better, but after this, I dont know how they can top it. It could still be a good movie but I doubt they'll be able to do better than this one.

[sshuttari]

They should do "Penguin" not as a sewer living two handed creature. But a mob boss who calls himself The Penguin and carries an umbrella around.

It could work

[Necross]

Eckhart Agrees To Third Batman Film
23 July 2008 9:10 AM, PDT


Aaron Eckhart would reprise his role from The Dark Knight - because working with Christian Bale is "phenomenal".

Eckhart, who plays District Attorney Harvey Dent in the sequel, confesses he "absolutely" would star in a third Batman film.

He tells WENN, "To work with Christian (Bale) all over again, and the cast, would be phenomenal. I think this movie is a movie of a lifetime."

I guess that means they didn't confirm his death with anyone. I personally would prefer if he died. Not that I think Eckhart wasn't great as him but I can't see this version of Two Face becoming a full blown villain with henchman and stuff. If he is alive and Nolan decides to use him, I'll wait and see, Nolan is kicking ass with this franchise, who knows, he could pull it off. I guess he could still want revenge on Batman and Gordon, he doesn't have to turn into some mobboss type villain.

[MasterChief117]

I heard a pretty good idea, just going for the final movie based on The Dark Knight Returns. This way you would have Batman Begins, The Middle and The finale. It would be pretty nice but besides that villain wise I think its got to go down with The Riddler. Do like a Zodiac feel, actor wise It would be pretty tough.

[MasterChief117]

Eckhart Agrees To Third Batman Film
23 July 2008 9:10 AM, PDT


Aaron Eckhart would reprise his role from The Dark Knight - because working with Christian Bale is "phenomenal".

Eckhart, who plays District Attorney Harvey Dent in the sequel, confesses he "absolutely" would star in a third Batman film.

He tells WENN, "To work with Christian (Bale) all over again, and the cast, would be phenomenal. I think this movie is a movie of a lifetime."

I guess that means they didn't confirm his death with anyone. I personally would prefer if he died. Not that I think Eckhart wasn't great as him but I can't see this version of Two Face becoming a full blown villain with henchman and stuff. If he is alive and Nolan decides to use him, I'll wait and see, Nolan is kicking ass with this franchise, who knows, he could pull it off. I guess he could still want revenge on Batman and Gordon, he doesn't have to turn into some mobboss type villain.

Further more makes me believe that the Christian Bale thing is complete BS. I know Christian Bale is already signed on for the 3rd. I guess anyone out of the ordinary would tell us somethings up. Good find.:)

[MasterChief117]

Eckhart Agrees To Third Batman Film
23 July 2008 9:10 AM, PDT


Aaron Eckhart would reprise his role from The Dark Knight - because working with Christian Bale is "phenomenal".

Eckhart, who plays District Attorney Harvey Dent in the sequel, confesses he "absolutely" would star in a third Batman film.

He tells WENN, "To work with Christian (Bale) all over again, and the cast, would be phenomenal. I think this movie is a movie of a lifetime."

I guess that means they didn't confirm his death with anyone. I personally would prefer if he died. Not that I think Eckhart wasn't great as him but I can't see this version of Two Face becoming a full blown villain with henchman and stuff. If he is alive and Nolan decides to use him, I'll wait and see, Nolan is kicking ass with this franchise, who knows, he could pull it off. I guess he could still want revenge on Batman and Gordon, he doesn't have to turn into some mobboss type villain.


Wait, I just realized that Dent supposably died. What a load of BS, lol.

[Angelixx]

i dont know why but i would be kinda stoked to see Harley Quinn come into all this. i dont know why ahah.

i mean thinking about it: ( going in spoilers JUST IN CASE)
batman told the joker, (cus i think he said something like no cell can hold me) that he would be locked in a padded room for life.
if they recast the joker or even had this insinuated in her introduction, she could be the psychiatrist analyzing him or something, and then he twists her mind and turns her into his little grasshopper to do his bidding.

and then if they recast the joker she can be a mini/side villain to someone else?
and if they dont she can be a nice little homage to the joker and keep the memory alive :D

i just always thought she was great haha. plus they can easily find a way to make her character a little more realistic (crazy asylum girl gone nuts, raids a costume store and smears make up on her face as a legacy to the joker who taught her all she knows etc etc.)
if the dark knight could make the joker a 'realistic' and absolutely awesomely ridiculous force, they can do plenty for Harley Quinn.
i would just really like a female villain other than catwoman.

[MasterChief117]

Yeah by comic book terms that is how Harley Quinn did come about but The Joker won't be in the 3rd film, I can say that with confidence. If anything you will see him as a slight nod in the movie(possibly seeing his suit, or seeing his name on the cell door). I don't expect them to use The Joker which means I don't expect them to bring out Harley. I think if anything Harley is deffinently a comic thing that Nolan wanted to keep out, who knows. Anything is possible.;)

[Angelixx]

Yeah by comic book terms that is how Harley Quinn did come about but The Joker won't be in the 3rd film, I can say that with confidence. If anything you will see him as a slight nod in the movie(possibly seeing his suit, or seeing his name on the cell door). I don't expect them to use The Joker which means I don't expect them to bring out Harley. I think if anything Harley is deffinently a comic thing that Nolan wanted to keep out, who knows. Anything is possible.;)

yeah, that's why i suggested they bring her in that way ;)
but yeah if theyre gonna only do a nod to him: why not do it with the little thing he created?

i just want Harley Quinn to be in it! haha
but i would honestly pick her over like catwoman or poison ivy or something :S

[drob127]

do you think there are deleted scenes that they could use for the next film? or on the dvd? i seen something on you tube about harley quinn was cast then taken out

[MasterChief117]

yeah, that's why i suggested they bring her in that way ;)
but yeah if theyre gonna only do a nod to him: why not do it with the little thing he created?

i just want Harley Quinn to be in it! haha
but i would honestly pick her over like catwoman or poison ivy or something :S

I know ultimately I just went around the bush in agreeing to you. :)

[drob127]

also some scenes werent in the movie like batman running on the rooftops of the cop cars and i dont remember the scene with the joker after the truck flips over when he walks and pulls out the switch blade i forget if it was or not

[Angelixx]

do you think there are deleted scenes that they could use for the next film? or on the dvd? i seen something on you tube about harley quinn was cast then taken out

dammit haha.

[drob127]

im looking for it but i cant find it...it showed some website that had her name and next to it said harly quinn

[Angelixx]

damn. k now im hearing she was cast for the next movie and that she got dropped because heath died. :S

kinda disappointed now.

[FranklinTard]

Eckhart Agrees To Third Batman Film
23 July 2008 9:10 AM, PDT


Aaron Eckhart would reprise his role from The Dark Knight - because working with Christian Bale is "phenomenal".

Eckhart, who plays District Attorney Harvey Dent in the sequel, confesses he "absolutely" would star in a third Batman film.

He tells WENN, "To work with Christian (Bale) all over again, and the cast, would be phenomenal. I think this movie is a movie of a lifetime."

I guess that means they didn't confirm his death with anyone. I personally would prefer if he died. Not that I think Eckhart wasn't great as him but I can't see this version of Two Face becoming a full blown villain with henchman and stuff. If he is alive and Nolan decides to use him, I'll wait and see, Nolan is kicking ass with this franchise, who knows, he could pull it off. I guess he could still want revenge on Batman and Gordon, he doesn't have to turn into some mobboss type villain.

'nuke the fridge' anyone??

[FilmJerk]

its hard to find a villain that would fit into Nolan's world. sucks. bring back Ra's Al Ghul, we didnt really get enough of him

[Fanible]

If the Nolan brothers can write Two-Face into the sequel well, I'd be all for it. Eckhart was great. Although I was a little confused how his eyeball stayed in place. Seems to me it would fall out. That would certainly make for a disturbing moment, if his eye popped out for a second.

[slinger]

its hard to find a villain that would fit into Nolan's world. sucks. bring back Ra's Al Ghul, we didnt really get enough of him

Talia al Ghul should be one of the villains, bringing back the League of Shadows to finally destroy Gotham.
She can also be a love interest for Bruce Wayne, who she had a crush on back when he trained with her father. They can do a flashback scene of Wayne's training as he was gone for a few years. She changes her appearance/accent and hopes to seduce Wayne not kill him.

The League could enlist the help of Firefly and Poison Ivy. They're going all out to see Gotham fall. Ivy, who wouldn't control plants, would have developed a neurotoxin from plants that only kills children under 12. She would plant them at city parks and schools. Firefly would be an arsonist destroying prominent buildings in the city as well as apartments. I dunno, just an idea.

The main villain has to threaten Gotham in the large scope that Ra's al Ghul and The Joker did. There can be smaller ones in addition to the mob.

[Boiiinng]

Ivy, who wouldn't control plants, would have developed a neurotoxin from plants that only kills children under 12. She would plant them at city parks and schools.

Wait....have you seen The Happening? :redface:

[jbailey84]

do you think there are deleted scenes that they could use for the next film? or on the dvd? i seen something on you tube about harley quinn was cast then taken out

i found this, a make-up test
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and went on imdb.com to look her up and she ended up playing Marooni's mistress in the club.

[slinger]

Wait....have you seen The Happening? :redface:

No. but I guess I don't have to now. Figured if Ivy couldn't control plants she would develop a plant that maybe could kill children, ones that haven't reached puberty. No fun if everyone died, you need chaos as people tried to escape while others mourned their loss.

[FilmJerk]

heres Heath without the make up
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[MasterChief117]

Yeah thats creepy, it looks realistic without the makeup on but of course the makeup adds to it. Its really weird to me, when you listen to him talk and he's got that weird voice, then you listen to him in an interview he talks with the australian accent. Makes the mind twist.:)

[DragnFire22]

They better bring back Joker.

[MasterChief117]

They won't. Christopher Nolan has a high amount of respect for Heath's performance, replacing him would be a slap to the face.

[Jason Krueger]

Wasn't Heath signed on for two films? if so that means they might of had plans for the joker to appear in the third film, its really up to Nolan or not. I think they should just go with another villain, but if he thinks he can get another actor and that actor thinks he can do it, then hey go for it.

[DragnFire22]

They won't. Christopher Nolan has a high amount of respect for Heath's performance, replacing him would be a slap to the face.

Sure they will. Nolan made this movie how he would have done it if Heath was alive. He didn't let the death of an actor ruin the story. So, if he has an amazing idea that involves the Joker, he should cast someone else and go forward with it. Everyone keeps saying how they didn't see Heath on screen, they saw the Joker. I've talked to people I work with, normal people that don't completely immerse themselves in movie news, and they had to reminded that Heath was the Joker. He did that good of a job.

Now, I respect what Heath has done. But, to think that no one else could ever deliver a performance like it is a bit ridiculous. The Joker is meant to be a constant force in Batman's world. To cut that big of a chunk out of Batman universe because Heath died is stupid.

Go for it, Nolan.

[MasterChief117]

Wasn't Heath signed on for two films? if so that means they might of had plans for the joker to appear in the third film, its really up to Nolan or not. I think they should just go with another villain, but if he thinks he can get another actor and that actor thinks he can do it, then hey go for it.

Yeah, Heath was signed on for two films but obviously they can't do that now since his death. Nolan said if he was doing another one that they would move on. Nolan is a respectful director and moving along with another actor as The Joker would be disrespectful and not to mention it would be another thing for critics to bash on.

[Two-Face]

I would love to see The Riddler or The Penguin in the third movie.

[IanTheCool]

You're all doing horrible with spoilers by the way. They are not very discreet and some things that some stay in spoilers others repeat out in the open. I think we need to tighten it up a little in here.
Sorry to sound like a jerk, I just think we gotta watch for that.

Edit: Sorry, i just realized I was still on the first page when I wrote this and that the rest of the thread isn't that bad actually.

[MasterChief117]

Why should we watch for that when we are discussing the sequel information. If you are stupid enough to come in here your gonna get some info. If we were in the review thread I would agree but its the sequel.

[IanTheCool]

Why should we watch for that when we are discussing the sequel information. If you are stupid enough to come in here your gonna get some info. If we were in the review thread I would agree but its the sequel.

A) Don't call me stupid.
B) Just watching out for people. Perhaps a spoiler alert could be put in the thread title or something.

[MasterChief117]

Didn't for one call you stupid, I wasn't even sure if you saw the movie. I was just saying in general, if you have the mind to come into this thread without even seeing the movie, your gonna get some spoilers.

[IanTheCool]

Didn't for one call you stupid, I wasn't even sure if you saw the movie. I was just saying in general, if you have the mind to come into this thread without even seeing the movie, your gonna get some spoilers.

Alright, sounds good

[drob127]

Sure they will. Nolan made this movie how he would have done it if Heath was alive. He didn't let the death of an actor ruin the story. So, if he has an amazing idea that involves the Joker, he should cast someone else and go forward with it. Everyone keeps saying how they didn't see Heath on screen, they saw the Joker. I've talked to people I work with, normal people that don't completely immerse themselves in movie news, and they had to reminded that Heath was the Joker. He did that good of a job.

Now, I respect what Heath has done. But, to think that no one else could ever deliver a performance like it is a bit ridiculous. The Joker is meant to be a constant force in Batman's world. To cut that big of a chunk out of Batman universe because Heath died is stupid.

Go for it, Nolan.



i def agree with ya. they might have deleted scenes or something like that but if they dont i think they should def keep the joker in the movies and get another actor

[jbailey84]

Yeah thats creepy, it looks realistic without the makeup on but of course the makeup adds to it. Its really weird to me, when you listen to him talk and he's got that weird voice, then you listen to him in an interview he talks with the australian accent. Makes the mind twist.:) that was cool that they showed him without the make up IN the movie at the mayors speech for the commissioner, for a few seconds

They won't. Christopher Nolan has a high amount of respect for Heath's performance, replacing him would be a slap to the face.
my point exact. i've been telling that to people to who ask me if they should have the joker and i tell them just that. the biggest hype of TDK was seeing Heath transforming himself being The Joker. it'll be cool if they mention him in the third and/or use scenes from TDK as flashbacks, but that should be it. no recast.

[MasterChief117]

that was cool that they showed him without the make up IN the movie at the mayors speech for the commissioner, for a few seconds


my point exact. i've been telling that to people to who ask me if they should have the joker and i tell them just that. the biggest hype of TDK was seeing Heath transforming himself being The Joker. it'll be cool if they mention him in the third and/or use scenes from TDK as flashbacks, but that should be it. no recast.

Yep, I was thinking like having Gordon walking through Arkham and then like you see his name on one of the bolted doors or something. Just something to pay respect to.

[Knerys]

I don't think recasting the Joker would be a slap in the face of Heath Ledger. As an artist, I think Ledger would understand another artists vision, and the need to see it's fruition. But it does create quite the dilemma. Before, I might have accepted a recast but after seeing Ledger's performance you would be hard pressed to find an actor that could duplicated that.

Plus, would any replacement simply mimick Ledger or make the role their own, and should they? This isn't like replacing Dumbledore. It's quite the pickle. Unfortunately. :(

[MasterChief117]

Thats why I say leave it alone, the Batman universe is still big and Nolan can still do other villains, don't screw over a movie with The Joker, move on.

[IanTheCool]

I don't think recasting the Joker would be a slap in the face of Heath Ledger. As an artist, I think Ledger would understand another artists vision, and the need to see it's fruition. But it does create quite the dilemma. Before, I might have accepted a recast but after seeing Ledger's performance you would be hard pressed to find an actor that could duplicated that.

Plus, would any replacement simply mimick Ledger or make the role their own, and should they? This isn't like replacing Dumbledore. It's quite the pickle. Unfortunately. :(

Yeah, i agree. It may not be such an issue if Ledger didn't do such an amazing job of it.

[Angelixx]

I don't think recasting the Joker would be a slap in the face of Heath Ledger. As an artist, I think Ledger would understand another artists vision, and the need to see it's fruition. But it does create quite the dilemma. Before, I might have accepted a recast but after seeing Ledger's performance you would be hard pressed to find an actor that could duplicated that.

Plus, would any replacement simply mimick Ledger or make the role their own, and should they? This isn't like replacing Dumbledore. It's quite the pickle. Unfortunately. :(

that's exactly they way im thinking and the dilemma im debating.
if they recasted would the new guy just mimic heath or would he make it his own? and at the same time would we WANT a new guy to do an imitation or to make it his own?
or is the nod and little tribute to heath/the joker better?
and at the same time if they did recast the joker i dont think it would be a slap in the face.
like knerys said, Heath was an artist and a brilliant one at that: he seemed like the type to have understood and would have wanted the joker to go on. i dont think he would have wanted the joker story line to be put to an end because of his death.

[DragnFire22]

I'm hoping Nolan does the right thing and proceeds with his story. Heath's dead, nothing can change that. The future of these great films should not hinge on that.

It's not a slap in the face or disrespectful.

[Fanible]

I think there are plenty of actors that could manage. Not to downplay the performance. What he created with the performance was ace, but it's not like it can't be imitated. The voice and speech pattern is easy enough to do. They'd just have to get the mannerisms down.

As crummy as it is talking about a possible recast, on the subject, the Joker would be one of the easier recasts to do, because of his make-up and scars.

[DragnFire22]

I think there are plenty of actors that could manage. Not to downplay the performance. What he created with the performance was ace, but it's not like it can't be imitated. The voice and speech pattern is easy enough to do. They'd just have to get the mannerisms down.

As crummy as it is talking about a possible recast, on the subject, the Joker would be one of the easier recasts to do, because of his make-up and scars.

Bingo.

Now that the blueprint of the Joker, it would be possible for an actor to come in and give a performance along the same lines.

[Boiiinng]

Mark Hamill could still do it. He already knows how to do the voice and the laughs from the cartoon and he looks close to Heath's size and build. With the right make-up and practice, I still say he's the best choice if they need the Joker again.

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2025/2074879920_6c6c1d1f01_m.jpg http://www.markhamill.com/images/sibo5.jpg

[FranklinTard]

im not sure if you are joking or what... this film made 200 million in 5 days. you want to recast the main draw of the film, with mark hamill?

good joke...

[Boiiinng]

im not sure if you are joking or what... this film made 200 million in 5 days. you want to recast the main draw of the film, with mark hamill?

good joke...

I don't see you suggesting anyone.

[MasterChief117]

I don't see you suggesting anyone.

Thats because no one is suggesting anyone. No one wants anyone else to play the part because it is such a risk taker trying someone else. Nolan isn't gonna do it, I tell you right now it isn't gonna happen. Not to mention Mark Hamill is beyond the age of doing the stuff Heath pulled off as The Joker. Not to mention Mark has pretty much passed the age of doing those kind of roles. Mark has a wonderful Joker voice but besides that I couldn't see it.

[Tornado]

Paul Bettany. There, someone suggested someone. ;)

[MasterChief117]

Paul Bettany?I could possibly see it for The Riddler and it has also be mentioned a few times for Casey Affleck as The Riddler, actually Empire Magazine said that. I thought that was somewhat close to The Riddler.

[drob127]

maybe get someone like paul bettany or daniel day lewis(my pick) to be the joker, but instead of being the actual joker have him as like a copy cat or something or make it so that its been a couple of years so the person might not look the same idunno, there were copy cats of batman maybe it could work like that

[shadowseven]

Since the Nolan films have always had multiple villains, what about Bane and Black Mask?

[drob127]

i dont think bane is a villian nolan would use. i hate to say it but the only villians left that are popular and would work are the riddler and catwoman.

[Doomsday]

It's no secret who Nolan should use for the next one, it's pretty obvious if you just think about it.

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[Necross]

Such an...awful awful movie.....so horrifying...thank god for Nolan.

[Doomsday]

Think of it this way though, if the movie was never made, Nolan's wouldn't have been either. ;)

[Necross]

This is true......damn you Doomsday!

[Angelixx]

Paul Bettany. There, someone suggested someone. ;)

actually that wouldn't be horrible haha. him or daniel day-lewis. which i think as been said already.
but i concur.

[DragnFire22]

I don't see you suggesting anyone.

He doesn't have to suggest anyone in order to laugh at yours.

Thats because no one is suggesting anyone. No one wants anyone else to play the part because it is such a risk taker trying someone else. Nolan isn't gonna do it, I tell you right now it isn't gonna happen. Not to mention Mark Hamill is beyond the age of doing the stuff Heath pulled off as The Joker. Not to mention Mark has pretty much passed the age of doing those kind of roles. Mark has a wonderful Joker voice but besides that I couldn't see it.

They'll recast.

But please god, no Daniel Day Lewis.

[drob127]

i think DDL could def do it, but like i said he's older

[DragnFire22]

I think that would be stupid.

[drob127]

yea well your a dumb dumb

[DragnFire22]

yea well your a dumb dumb

LOL. Irony.

[drob127]

sorry mr. dictionary

[DragnFire22]

Sorry doesn't cut it.

[drob127]

what does master of the forums

[DragnFire22]

Not being stupid.

[drob127]

i want you to go buy me stuffed peas

[Fanible]

Paul Bettany would have been great doing his own rendition. As a recast/replacement, I'm not so sure.