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King_of_Skid_Row
08-09-2008, 12:30 AM
SW needs to become cool again. Only way is a reboot. Maybe cast Vin Diesel or Jason Statham as Luke to attract more new people. Then have Daniel Craig or Hugh Jackman play Han :D .

FVD
08-09-2008, 01:45 AM
Nah never do I want to see a SW reboot unless it were 20-30 years into the future. But for now what I really wanna see is an animated Shadows of the Empire flick. We'd have enough of Boba Fett for us to water over plus more Luke, Leia, Lando etc...

King_of_Skid_Row
08-09-2008, 01:47 AM
Oh now we're talking! Why not make it live action and have Lucas get Christopher Nolan to write and direct it :D ?

FVD
08-09-2008, 01:51 AM
Yeah but then again Lucas didn't write the story so perhaps there'll be a little joy out of this.

Ewok Droppings
08-09-2008, 10:19 AM
If there was ever a live action series with SW - I think Del Toro would be a great choice to direct it.

IanTheCool
08-09-2008, 10:23 AM
SW needs to become cool again. Only way is a reboot. Maybe cast Vin Diesel or Jason Statham as Luke to attract more new people. Then have Daniel Craig or Hugh Jackman play Han :D .
Wow, how are you not a Hollywood Exec. Or maybe you are, like Maebe from arrested development.

Nah never do I want to see a SW reboot unless it were 20-30 years into the future.

No, not even then. Never. Star wars is a film that should never be remade.

NoLaughTrack
08-09-2008, 02:11 PM
No, not even then. Never. Star wars is a film that should never be remade.

A shot-for-shot remake a la Psycho would be pretty interesting, though....

SnoBorderZero
08-09-2008, 02:41 PM
How would that be any good? Van Sant's Psycho is probably the most pointless movie ever made becasue it's shot for shot, meaning it improved nothing from the original as well as brings nothing new to a classic.

And Skid I will give you that, that Cars really wasn't very good. But at the same time, it isn't nearly as bad as movies like Madagascar or Shark Tale.

King_of_Skid_Row
08-10-2008, 01:07 PM
True. But it should've been called an average movie. Not a masterpiece. That shows the conspiracy in full force.

And no, ED, Del Toro wouldn't be the best choice. We need gritty realism, not weird fantasy. Nolan over Del Toro.

FranklinTard
08-10-2008, 02:21 PM
How would that be any good? Van Sant's Psycho is probably the most pointless movie ever made becasue it's shot for shot, meaning it improved nothing from the original as well as brings nothing new to a classic.

And Skid I will give you that, that Cars really wasn't very good. But at the same time, it isn't nearly as bad as movies like Madagascar or Shark Tale.

dont forget the hills have eyes. also basically a word for word shot for shot remake... but it was effective in my opinion.

sshuttari
08-10-2008, 02:24 PM
Nolan does not care for fantasy, nor is he interested in making a fantasy film.

King_of_Skid_Row
08-10-2008, 03:29 PM
And that's why you need him. One of the biggest complaints in SW is that it has too much fantasy settings. Coruscant for example should be Los Angeles.

Matrix_Fan
08-10-2008, 03:35 PM
Nolan's realistic approach simply won't work in the Star Wars universe. Star Wars was never about gritty realism, it was about rollicking space adventures, with elements of friendship and family.

Tornado
08-10-2008, 03:37 PM
And that's why you need him. One of the biggest complaints in SW is that it has too much fantasy settings. Coruscant for example should be Los Angeles.

Star Wars is fantasy, though. It makes sense for Nolan's Batman films to be set in the real world, because he was striving for realism. Believe it or not, realism is not a topic on George's mind.

And LA wouldn't work as Coruscant, that'd be stupid. Star Wars doesn't take place anywhere near Earth, why does the architecture in that time period with their technology have to resemble ours?

Answer: it doesn't. And it shouldn't.

halo7
08-10-2008, 03:49 PM
And that's why you need him. One of the biggest complaints in SW is that it has too much fantasy settings. Coruscant for example should be Los Angeles.

There is no way you are not a joke.

King_of_Skid_Row
08-10-2008, 04:20 PM
You know how you avoid using CGI to make a big fantasy city? Simple, you use a real city. And LA is perfect for Coruscant.

I mean look at TDK. Gotham is a fictional city and Nolan uses Chicago. It works and no CGI is needed.

Matrix_Fan
08-10-2008, 06:44 PM
You know how you avoid using CGI to make a big fantasy city? Simple, you use a real city. And LA is perfect for Coruscant.

I mean look at TDK. Gotham is a fictional city and Nolan uses Chicago. It works and no CGI is needed.

That's because Gotham doesn't contain spaceships, flying cars, and aliens walking around.

Quit your yammering about Star Wars reboots, they are unneeded. The film's happened, accept it. The only way for there to be a Reboot/Remake is if George Lucas completely looses his mind and green lights them. That's not going to happen anytime soon.

DAN!
08-10-2008, 06:51 PM
You know how you avoid using CGI to make a big fantasy city? Simple, you use a real city.

real cities and fantasy cites are VERY different things. there is no fantasy cities that exist.

and nolan's gotham being a fictional city doesn't make it fantasy city persae

Fanible
08-10-2008, 07:40 PM
He has to be joking guys.

Matrix_Fan
08-10-2008, 07:41 PM
He better be.

SnoBorderZero
08-10-2008, 08:05 PM
dont forget the hills have eyes. also basically a word for word shot for shot remake... but it was effective in my opinion.

Actually I found The Hills Have Eyes remake to be one of the worst movies I've ever seen. I gave that **** a 1/10.

There is no conspiracy for Pixar, nor one against the SW prequels, how hard is that to understand? Just get over the fact that the prequels SUCKED (except the 3rd which was decent) and realize that there are no anti-SW fans here, just people who don't like ****ty movies.

King_of_Skid_Row
08-10-2008, 08:27 PM
I know the prequels sucked. That's why they need a reboot. And LA could easily be made into Coruscant. Peter Jackson used New Zealand for Middle Earth.

SnoBorderZero
08-10-2008, 08:37 PM
When a movie sucks you just let it go. No need for a reboot, it's over. Lucas had his chance and failed. End of story. I was disappointed in I am Legend. I don't clamor for it to be redone. I know it could've been great, wasn't, moved on.

LA doesn't fit into the SW universe. Yes it can be done, like in Blade Runner, but if LA was used it would be so ridiculously out of place.

And Jackson used the New Zealand countryside. Totally different.

King_of_Skid_Row
08-10-2008, 09:39 PM
Oh and Tatooine= Arizona :D .

JBond
08-10-2008, 11:56 PM
I thought "Tatooine" was in northern Africa or something.

King_of_Skid_Row
08-11-2008, 12:32 AM
Oh my bad. But still LA would make a fine Coruscant.

DAN!
08-11-2008, 12:32 AM
well, the death star is def. in Mexico. That is where they got the workers to build it. And endor took place in the north pole. They put all of santa's Elves in ewok costumes for filming. and Tatooine is obviously las vegas.

King_of_Skid_Row
08-11-2008, 12:53 AM
I still believe that SW needs to be saved and be cool again. They either reboot it or make a live action Shadows of the Empire movie written and directed by Christopher Nolan.

Tornado
08-11-2008, 01:06 AM
I still believe that SW needs to be saved and be cool again.

But why? Why not move on with original ideas and make new films? SW has been dead for three years, and I think it should be left that way.

King_of_Skid_Row
08-11-2008, 01:13 AM
Because like LotR and Die Hard, SW deserves to go out on a postive note. It doesn't deserve the Pirates/Matrix treatment. A reboot or a Shadows of the Empire film would save it. Heck even ST is going on still. SW needs to do the same. Live on as quality and wash the awful taste of the prequels from its mouth.

Tornado
08-11-2008, 01:21 AM
There are so many things wrong with that post, I wouldn't even know where to begin.

Star Wars is dead. Period. I'll probably see the new movie, but unless it's amazing I won't touch the new show. I'm not a huge fan of the series anymore, but I used to be. And if they can't create something that's going to pull the fans in then they've got problems. The only way I'd watch a Star Wars show if it was based on KOTOR, but that'll never happen.

King_of_Skid_Row
08-11-2008, 01:25 AM
And how do revive something dead. You reboot so people will like it. SW needs to be modernized and given a dark gritty touch by Nolan. It worked for Batman it could work for SW.

Lucas hiring this Dave Filoni guy is already a step in the right direction because this guy knows the books and is a fan himself of SW. Now once the live action series comes out and dishes out gruesome adult violence, it will get people interested.

Matrix_Fan
08-11-2008, 01:25 AM
I feel that the Matrix and Pirates went out on as much as a high note as possible. And Star Wars isn't "not cool" now, where did you get that idea? Even if the prequels don't have many fans, the original trilogy has tons of them, so in a sense, Star Wars is still "Cool".

Tornado
08-11-2008, 01:28 AM
And how do revive something dead.

You don't! You leave it! That's my entire point! It's not like Batman or James Bond, where there are still the potential for more stories. Star Wars is now the story of the rise and fall of Anakin Skywalker (with the inclusion of the prequels). With Anakin dead.... well, the story is over. Any tales with Luke can be found elsewhere, there's no need to take it further.

King_of_Skid_Row
08-11-2008, 01:31 AM
Listen. SW and I even believe Superman also needs the Batman treatment. Best way to do that is reboot SW or make a dark, violent crime epic in Shadows of the Empire with Nolan as writer and director. Jason Statham=Luke Skywalker.

Matrix_Fan
08-11-2008, 01:33 AM
I wonder how many times Skid has said "Reboot"?

King_of_Skid_Row
08-11-2008, 01:39 AM
^Have I reached 100 yet?

Also the key for these next SW stuff is to remove the famipy friendly aspect of it. Remove it and we get masterpieces.

Matrix_Fan
08-11-2008, 01:39 AM
I lost count at 5 billion.

King_of_Skid_Row
08-11-2008, 01:43 AM
Well then...maybe I'll go for 10 trillion :D . I might put something in my sig.

SnoBorderZero
08-11-2008, 02:34 AM
Wow lots of stuff to address here.

First off, Jason Statham? Sure, let's cast the most generic actor out there today. Why not? Because hell, he's been in A-list productions like In the Name of the King, The Transporter, Death Race, and War.

Secondly, just because Nolan is able to succeed with Batman, how does that mean he can do that for SW as well? Seriously, he's a fine director but even he has stated he's interested in pursuing original projects (like Memento or The Prestige) and the SW universe has gone about as dark as it can. Nolan is a good director, but people act like he's Bergmen or Kurosawa or something.

Why do they need to be dark and violent? The original trilogy wasn't and it was amazing. Lord of the Rings was the right balance and never pushed it, nor did Indiana Jones. Once again, just because it worked for Batman does not mean it needs to be applied everywhere else.

King_of_Skid_Row
08-11-2008, 02:40 AM
Well SW is going become dark and violent anyway since Lucas already stated the live action series will be noir-ish and be like Deadwood/Sopranos in space. A Shadows of the Empire live action movie or a reboot would be cool and would make SW 'cool' again.

Tornado
08-11-2008, 09:41 AM
Listen. SW and I even believe Superman also needs the Batman treatment. Best way to do that is reboot SW or make a dark, violent crime epic in Shadows of the Empire with Nolan as writer and director. Jason Statham=Luke Skywalker.

Listen? You're not even answering my questions. You're just repeating the same goddamn idiotic statement you always do. Kudos, fool.

jbailey84
08-11-2008, 09:47 AM
I still believe that SW needs to be saved and be cool again. They either reboot it or make a live action Shadows of the Empire movie written and directed by Christopher Nolan.
Shadows of the Empire would be awesome. i love that book and the soundtrack was awesome.

King_of_Skid_Row
08-11-2008, 01:20 PM
Listen? You're not even answering my questions. You're just repeating the same goddamn idiotic statement you always do. Kudos, fool.

I already answered your question. It needs to be revived because it didn't end well with audiences. It ended on a Batman and Robin note. It needs to end on a Dark Knight or Iron Man note. The only way is to do what ST is doing or make a very dark, violent Shadows of the Empire movie. That's the only way.

Listen, I know you hate SW. But I even you got to admit that you would watch a dark, violent and adult SW movie with no sign of humor or family friendliness.

halo7
08-11-2008, 01:31 PM
Yes, because the only way for Star Wars to be good is to copy what is popular right now. *sigh*

King_of_Skid_Row
08-11-2008, 01:36 PM
Dark, violent, and very adult story with no humor and family friendly stuff= a SW masterpiece :D !

halo7
08-11-2008, 01:38 PM
Dark and gritty? No humor? That is not what defines Star Wars. That is not even what defines The Dark Knight, even that had SOME humor. Simply put, you are wrong.

King_of_Skid_Row
08-11-2008, 01:43 PM
Yep and look where that got SW. Make it less family friendly and more dark and violent you are giving fans what they want. In other words, SW should be darker than The Dark Knight.

Matrix_Fan
08-11-2008, 01:46 PM
Yep and look where that got SW.

Over 300 million dollar grosses? Yeah, that's terrible.:rolleyes:

King_of_Skid_Row
08-11-2008, 01:49 PM
Spiderman 3 got that money. And look what shape that series is in. You want a SW film to leave a good taste in people's mouths then remove all the humor and the family friendly stuff. Make it violent and serious all the way through. Problem is the damn droids. You might have to really edit their scenes.

Tornado
08-11-2008, 01:56 PM
I already answered your question. It needs to be revived because it didn't end well with audiences. It ended on a Batman and Robin note. It needs to end on a Dark Knight or Iron Man note. The only way is to do what ST is doing or make a very dark, violent Shadows of the Empire movie. That's the only way.

That doesn't justify a new film (series) in anybody's mind but your own. So no, you didn't answer my question.

Listen, I know you hate SW. But I even you got to admit that you would watch a dark, violent and adult SW movie with no sign of humor or family friendliness.

Actually no, I don't hate SW. And since I actually enjoyed the PT, I'd say I probably like the franchise even more than you do. So you can stop right there, and quit arguing about something you don't know anything about.

And yeah I'd watch a dark and violent SW movie, but that doesn't mean they should make one. I'd see a fourth Matrix, a fifth Die Hard, and a seventh Rocky too but they're not making those as far as I know. The same applies for SW.

Matrix_Fan
08-11-2008, 01:56 PM
Spiderman 3 got that money. And look what shape that series is in.

It's not in Batman & Robin shape, that's for sure.

You want a SW film to leave a good taste in people's mouths then remove all the humor and the family friendly stuff.

So the sense of fun? Smart.

Make it violent and serious all the way through. Problem is the damn droids. You might have to really edit their scenes.

I think Sith and Empire came the closest to being dark and serious, especially at the end of both of them.

I also didn't mind the droids so much, cause they reminded me of robotic storm troopers, stupid, incompetent, prone to one shot laser blasts.

halo7
08-11-2008, 02:06 PM
For the record, did anyone else LIKE Revenge of the Sith? I sure did. Attack of the Clones is the only Star Wars film I would truly call bad, the rest (moreso Revenge of the Sith) worked for me. I was quite happy with how it ended.

Tornado
08-11-2008, 02:09 PM
For the record, did anyone else LIKE Revenge of the Sith? I sure did. Attack of the Clones is the only Star Wars film I would truly call bad, the rest moreso Revenge of the Sith worked for me. I was quite happy with how it ended.

I thought it was great, and probably in my top three with the original and ESB. I enjoyed AOTC, but the film I had the most problems with was TPM. I'd still probably give it a C/C- though, as I did enjoy quite a bit of it (any scene with Qui-Gon really).

King_of_Skid_Row
08-11-2008, 02:09 PM
It was good. But not great.

Ewok Droppings
08-11-2008, 02:10 PM
Revenge of the Sith was decent, but not as good as the OT movies. I'd be all for more movies, and frankly I'm looking forward to the Clone Wars coming out this week. I would love more Star Wars in the future, I just don't want Lucas to touch it. Let someone else who can write a script and direct worth a damn have a go at it.

King_of_Skid_Row
08-11-2008, 02:11 PM
^Like Nolan :D !

Ewok Droppings
08-11-2008, 02:17 PM
No, like Del Toro or Peter Jackson.

Matrix_Fan
08-11-2008, 02:25 PM
I also enjoyed the prequels, but I have to agree with Tornado that I had the most problems with Phantom Menace, but most of that had to do with Jar Jar and Jake Lloyd's acting. However, it's hard for me to hate the film with one of the best lightsaber battles ever.

King_of_Skid_Row
08-11-2008, 02:30 PM
No, like Del Toro or Peter Jackson.

True. Del Toro would be good at making it very dark and violent. PJ would do good because he'd use that dramatic slow motion in serious moments that you always find in Oscar nominated epics.

Ewok Droppings
08-11-2008, 02:34 PM
I have been impressed with Del Toro's creatures in his movies from Pan's Labyrinth and Hellboy 2. They don't look like crappy CGI like Lucas's creatures did in the prequels.

King_of_Skid_Row
08-11-2008, 02:36 PM
^That's because most of Del Toro's creatures aren't CGI.

JBond
08-11-2008, 04:58 PM
"Not if, anything to do with it, I have." - Yoda

FTW

King_of_Skid_Row
08-11-2008, 06:12 PM
You see, SW fans want every SW to be like Empire. What you do is give them something darker and more violent than Empire. Remove all the lightheartedness and replace it all with violence, drama, and lot more swearing which is why Statham or Diesel would be perfect for Luke. And also real environments( I remember Neeson was complaining that Coruscant was CGI). Coruscant=Los Angeles.

DAN!
08-11-2008, 06:58 PM
darker doesn't mean better and it will take away from the heart of SW. and i am not even much of a sw fan. but making the mood any darker than ep III is going too far. It should be more like Ep IV-VI. That style with modern F/X would be great. but it looks like that isn't going to happen, so they should stop. I didnt like the new triolgy and it i don't plan on seeing this new CGI movie either. It looks like a bad video game and i know i will want to walk out of it early into it.

Ewok Droppings
08-11-2008, 07:00 PM
Coruscant=Los Angeles.

I'm really confused why you keep pressing this idea.

JBond
08-11-2008, 07:33 PM
He's trying to bother you guys. He's trolling.

DAN!
08-11-2008, 08:02 PM
He's trying to bother you guys. He's trolling.

but dad! he wont stop starring at me!-------he's doing it again!

SnoBorderZero
08-11-2008, 08:32 PM
Skid, did you read what I wrote earlier? The original Star Wars, considered by many to be the greatest trilogy ever, is never too dark and is backed with plenty of humor and is accessible to all ages. So if it worked then, why can't it work now?

Nolan is not Kurosawa. He is not Billy Wilder. He is not Frank Capra. He is not Spielberg. He is not even Paul Thomas Anderson. The notion that he is some amazing director who can make anything in the world fantastic is absurd. He wants to move on to other projects, ones that truly show his genius such as Memento. Yes, he did a great job with Batman Begins and The Dark Knight, but how does that translate into him being able to make Star Wars great? How does that translate into him being amazing? He has not made a Seven Samurai, a The Apartment, a There Will be Blood, a Schindler's List, an It Happened One Night... yet. Seriously, give the guy some air.

Matrix_Fan
08-11-2008, 08:37 PM
If they wanted to go dark with SW, they would've done the more sensible thing and made Clone Wars the video game, and Force Unleashed the movie.

SnoBorderZero
08-11-2008, 09:04 PM
I watched the Clone Wars cartoons yesterday at my friend's house and it made me dislike the prequels even more. So many things could've been done with those movies, and they were just mediocre the whole way through.

FranklinTard
08-11-2008, 09:39 PM
i liked the first half, second half lost steam as it tried to tie in with lucas's stories...

sshuttari
08-11-2008, 10:06 PM
Clone Wars film is going to suck.

end of story...

jbailey84
08-11-2008, 10:44 PM
For the record, did anyone else LIKE Revenge of the Sith? I sure did. Attack of the Clones is the only Star Wars film I would truly call bad, the rest (moreso Revenge of the Sith) worked for me. I was quite happy with how it ended. i loved ROTS. i thought TPM was bad compared to AOTC.

sshuttari
08-11-2008, 11:28 PM
I liked TPM over AOTC

ROTS is the best of the prequels easily.

Necross
08-12-2008, 12:54 AM
Clone Wars film is going to suck.

end of story...

I have to say I completely disagree. I'm looking forward to it more than any of the prequels which were all plagued with terrible acting. The CGI remedies that and I loved the Clone Wars cartoon series, it totally just shows what piss was put into the prequel movies.

Ewok Droppings
08-12-2008, 03:17 AM
Yeah, same here. I'm actually really looking forward to this.

King_of_Skid_Row
08-12-2008, 03:20 AM
I have faith Filoni and his writing crew. I heard him interviews. He seems really knowledgable on SW. But you know what, although I'm looking forward to this movie. I'm also looking forward to this upcoming CW episode "The Lair of General Grievous". Supposedly it's going to reveal some of GG's history.

FVD
08-14-2008, 12:26 AM
Perhaps I should create a review thread for this but I will say that I enjoyed this movie. It never dragged and Dave Filoni did a damn good job of this. Makes the Prequels look even worse. :D

8/10

Ewok Droppings
08-14-2008, 01:35 AM
So did you like it better than the prequels?

King_of_Skid_Row
08-14-2008, 02:20 AM
I knew it was going to be better than the prequels. Filoni has a lot of love towards SW. I have full faith in him and his writing team.

FranklinTard
08-14-2008, 10:34 AM
reviews are pretty... well disappointing.

Ewok Droppings
08-14-2008, 11:41 AM
I think it will still do well. Most of the negative reviews are from people saying they didn't want the plot holes from the prequels revisited and explained. I for one thought that the weakest point of the prequels was that Lucas shoved way too much story into an area that should have really been fleshed out a lot more. I'm hoping these add a lot of background and fill into those blanks.

FranklinTard
08-14-2008, 11:56 AM
did you watch the original tv show clone wars?

Ewok Droppings
08-14-2008, 01:00 PM
No - I had some friends that watched it and said it was really good.

FranklinTard
08-14-2008, 01:03 PM
was pretty badass in comparison to the prequels. first half is amazing.

King_of_Skid_Row
08-14-2008, 05:28 PM
I think it will still do well. Most of the negative reviews are from people saying they didn't want the plot holes from the prequels revisited and explained. I for one thought that the weakest point of the prequels was that Lucas shoved way too much story into an area that should have really been fleshed out a lot more. I'm hoping these add a lot of background and fill into those blanks.

But they didn't watch it. They wrote the review but didn't view the film. Know your conspiracies.

Tornado
08-14-2008, 05:32 PM
But they didn't watch it. They wrote the review but didn't view the film. Know your conspiracies.

Dude, shut the **** up! Everybody is so damn tired of your 'conspiracies' and your refusal to believe that something you like can possibly be bad. The Clone Wars has a 27% on RT right now after 30 reviews. Deal with it.

King_of_Skid_Row
08-14-2008, 05:35 PM
I cry conspiracy when a piece of trash called Cars gets high ratings. And other stuff that has a few flaws get blown out of proportion and are hailed as bad. I like consistency with my reviewers. Not inconsistency. Inconsistency=untrustworthy.

Let's face it, TMNT was better than Cars.

The other reason SW fans are mad is because they want a dark, violent, no humor, and sexy SW film. Don't believe me, read the reviews and message boards. Everything I say they say.

DragnFire22
08-14-2008, 05:57 PM
You misused "hailed".

TMNT was not very good.

Ewok Droppings
08-14-2008, 05:59 PM
was pretty badass in comparison to the prequels. first half is amazing.

That's what I heard. I've heard nothing but good things about the Clone Wars cartoons which is why I'm excited for this. I just really hope they didn't turn it into a little kiddie movie like I've been reading from some reviews. Apparently the original cartoons weren't that way.

King_of_Skid_Row
08-14-2008, 06:04 PM
You misused "hailed".

TMNT was not very good.

IMO it was good. Not Wall-E style good. But definitely better than Cars.

Tornado
08-14-2008, 06:08 PM
Let's face it, TMNT was better than Cars.

No, not really. I mean if you want to think that go right ahead. But I didn't think TMNT was great by any means, whereas Cars was at the very least enjoyable and fun.

The other reason SW fans are mad is because they want a dark, violent, no humor, and sexy SW film. Don't believe me, read the reviews and message boards. Everything I say they say.

I don't give a **** what the Star Wars fan community wants or thinks should happen, I really don't. It sounds like whoever was behind The Clone Wars ended up making a ****ty movie, pure and simple.

King_of_Skid_Row
08-14-2008, 06:10 PM
Or maybe it was pre-judged without viewing. It happens.

And another thing...Cars was not enjoyable or fun. That was TMNT. Cars was just full of bleh.

Tornado
08-14-2008, 06:14 PM
Or maybe it was pre-judged without viewing. It happens.

Not nearly as often as you'd like to believe.

And another thing...Cars was not enjoyable or fun. That was TMNT. Cars was just full of bleh.

You're a fool.

King_of_Skid_Row
08-14-2008, 06:18 PM
Nope. I'm just not a fan of Cars. I am fan of Wall-E and TMNT. Those are good CGI films.

Fact is, I don't trust the critics. For this SW film the only reviews I will trust is Ewok Droppings review or anybody's review on here. Critics I don't trust them anymore when it comes to CGI films.

Ewok Droppings
08-14-2008, 06:18 PM
I think you are haunted at night by visions of Cars driving through your room.

Matrix_Fan
08-14-2008, 06:26 PM
"Cars killed my Father. And raped my Mother!"

-King Of Skid Row

Quote from Family Guy.

SnoBorderZero
08-14-2008, 07:00 PM
Cars is not great, no, in fact for Pixar it's pretty mediocre, but like I said it's STILL better than MOST computer animated movies put out there.

And TMNT was... whatever. It was completely forgettable and lacked the fun that the first two live action films did.

And 27% does not lie. I will see it and make my own judgement, but that right there isn't a sign of reassurance. The animation looks stupid (and think about how bad it looks in 10 years) and it's really just a cheap way to milk out the Star Wars name.

And if you honestly think critics are wrong, you need to watch more movies. Yes, one critic might not get it right, but COLLECTIVELY (which is why RT is the best) they almost always get it right. Give me a movie score from RT you think is absolutely ridiculously bad and I guarantee you I can argue why it's right.

jbailey84
08-14-2008, 07:03 PM
well my bro in law, and a friend of ours and i are gonna check it out tonight. like i've stated, i love Star Wars, but I have a bad feeling about this.

so, we shall see.

SnoBorderZero
08-14-2008, 07:04 PM
Are you doing the midnight showing?

jbailey84
08-14-2008, 07:04 PM
yup

Matrix_Fan
08-14-2008, 07:05 PM
well my bro in law, and a friend of ours and i are gonna check it out tonight. like i've stated, i love Star Wars, but I have a bad feeling about this.

so, we shall see.

I'm checking out a super cheap matinee tomorrow with Darth. Like you said, we love Star Wars, but this........yeah.

Tornado
08-14-2008, 07:09 PM
well my bro in law, and a friend of ours and i are gonna check it out tonight. like i've stated, i love Star Wars, but I have a bad feeling about this.

so, we shall see.

Yeah, I'm with you on that one. I might check out a matinee tomorrow or Saturday, but I'm not expecting much. Part of me misses Star Wars which is a lot of why I plan on seeing this, but I'm not sure this was the right direction for the series (I still think Star Wars should've ended after Episode III).

SnoBorderZero
08-14-2008, 07:11 PM
I'm with you. The reality is that it won't ever end. In 15 years, we'll have another 3 live action movies ready to go. The Star Wars universe is too popular and too massive to not make do more with it. Hey, it's even possible for them to be amazing. It all depends on if Lucas will let them be.

King_of_Skid_Row
08-14-2008, 07:41 PM
Lucas right now is doing the right thing. Let others handle his creation.

I have proof though that the critics didn't see the film. They think Lucas write and directed this movie. It was actually directed by Dave Filoni and written by Henry Gilroy and Scott Murphy. There's the proof. I can't trust them. I can trust all you though. Go see it. I can't because I have no money at the moment.

And SW can't die yet. I haven't gotten my live action Nolan directed Shadows of the Empire film and i haven't gotten my Jerry Bruckheimer Knights of the Old Republic film starring Revan.

DAN!
08-14-2008, 07:42 PM
Lucas right now is doing the right thing. Let others handle his creation.

I have proof though that the critics didn't see the film. They think Lucas write and directed this movie. It was actually directed by Dave Filoni and written by Henry Gilroy and Scott Murphy. There's the proof. I can't trust them. I can trust all you though. Go see it. I can't because I have no money at the money.

my mom warned me about girls like you

petergriffin246
08-14-2008, 07:44 PM
Im not that intrested in seeing this..

King_of_Skid_Row
08-14-2008, 07:44 PM
I'm not a girl. But if you come to skid row, you'll find some good ones. I have one in my sights right now. My neighbor :D .

Tornado
08-14-2008, 07:45 PM
I have proof though that the critics didn't see the film. They think Lucas write and directed this movie. It was actually directed by Dave Filoni and written by Henry Gilroy and Scott Murphy. There's the proof. I can't trust them.

That's not proof, that's a slip-up.

King_of_Skid_Row
08-14-2008, 07:47 PM
Movies do have credits at the end. Sorry, but my source to know if this film is bad or not will come from my own judgement and a few reviews from you guys.

DAN!
08-14-2008, 08:08 PM
Movies do have credits at the end. Sorry, but my source to know if this film is bad or not will come from my own judgement and a few reviews from you guys.

that still doesn't mean the critics didn't see the movie....

King_of_Skid_Row
08-14-2008, 08:11 PM
I'll be my own critic. When I went and saw Wall-E, I didn't see how much praise it was getting by critics. I just went and saw it.

DAN!
08-14-2008, 08:13 PM
so what is your point? i thought you were arguing that the critics didn't see the movie....

King_of_Skid_Row
08-14-2008, 08:15 PM
They didn't. Just another reason why it's best to be your own critic ;) .

Ewok Droppings
08-14-2008, 08:15 PM
Be careful - they might try to sneak Cars in its place and make you watch that instead. They'll padlock the doors and not let anyone leave until Cars is over. I can hear the screams now!

halo7
08-14-2008, 08:16 PM
Lucas right now is doing the right thing. Let others handle his creation.

I have proof though that the critics didn't see the film. They think Lucas write and directed this movie. It was actually directed by Dave Filoni and written by Henry Gilroy and Scott Murphy. There's the proof. I can't trust them. I can trust all you though. Go see it. I can't because I have no money at the moment.

Funny how you just say that critics are saying this but provide no actual example.

DAN!
08-14-2008, 08:17 PM
They didn't. Just another reason why it's best to be your own critic ;) .

lord, you must drive people crazy.

You can't just say something is true and have no proof. It is worse than a critic... if you want to be better than them, you might want to try thinking a little bit harder about what you are saying

Ewok Droppings
08-14-2008, 08:29 PM
Midnight showing here I come

King_of_Skid_Row
08-14-2008, 08:31 PM
^I hope you like it. Have fun :) . I pray the film isn't bad.

FVD
08-14-2008, 08:55 PM
So did you like it better than the prequels?

Hmm hard to say really it's a different kettle of fish if you ask me. Overall I did enjoy it to warrant a second viewing. Plot was decent, acting was alot better and Anakin for the most part was actually likeable. And the Padawan wasn't annoying either. Also thought the soundtrack was pretty cool although different from most SW features. In a sense Clone Wars did kinda act like it ventured into foreign territory with the way it was made. Liked the character of Captain Rex too. They fleshed out his character a bit as well.

I say just be glad that Lucas never had a hand in the writing and direction of this movie. I feel that Filoni and crew delivered a quality picture here. Can't wait to see what follows this.

Never realised that Anthony Daniels, Samuel L Jackson and Christopher Lee lent their voices to this movie either.

jbailey84
08-14-2008, 10:08 PM
Midnight showing here I come

i have 2 hours to wait till its midnight here in texas.

FranklinTard
08-15-2008, 12:08 AM
Lucas right now is doing the right thing. Let others handle his creation.

I have proof though that the critics didn't see the film. They think Lucas write and directed this movie. It was actually directed by Dave Filoni and written by Henry Gilroy and Scott Murphy. There's the proof. I can't trust them. I can trust all you though. Go see it. I can't because I have no money at the moment.

And SW can't die yet. I haven't gotten my live action Nolan directed Shadows of the Empire film and i haven't gotten my Jerry Bruckheimer Knights of the Old Republic film starring Revan.


wheres it at?

Ewok Droppings
08-15-2008, 04:28 AM
I can't because I have no money at the moment.So how do you afford a computer and the internet? Are you on your parents computer? Let me guess - you're really like 12 or something.

King_of_Skid_Row
08-15-2008, 11:18 AM
A certain bill that I pay every two months came up this month and took quite a bit of my paycheck plus I had to pay the rent and buy the groceries. Then my friends like to go to clubs and stuff so I have save some for that. So after all the expenses and putting money aside in savings and emergency, I probably won't be able to see this until another two weeks.

DragnFire22
08-15-2008, 01:55 PM
Bull****.

King_of_Skid_Row
08-15-2008, 02:27 PM
Too bad if you think that way. It is what it is.

DragnFire22
08-15-2008, 02:35 PM
No, it's bull****.

A movie ticket costs $10, that's like two drinks at the "club" you go to. So, give up two drinks and go to the damn movie.

King_of_Skid_Row
08-15-2008, 02:55 PM
I could always do that. But damn...I love my cadillacs :( .

Tornado
08-15-2008, 02:55 PM
I think you just don't want to see this movie either. ;)

sshuttari
08-15-2008, 02:57 PM
wow 10 bucks

I pay to see a movie before 4pm on weekends and it's 5 bucks.

Not to mention Mon-Thurs its 5 bucks.

Find a better theatre.

King_of_Skid_Row
08-15-2008, 02:59 PM
^Actually where I come from tickets are 11.50. But I can get two for $14 at Costco. But you know after reading ED's review...it does kind of sound like a film I could wait on. I will see this. Just not yet.

FranklinTard
08-15-2008, 04:41 PM
Lucas right now is doing the right thing. Let others handle his creation.

I have proof though that the critics didn't see the film. They think Lucas write and directed this movie. It was actually directed by Dave Filoni and written by Henry Gilroy and Scott Murphy. There's the proof. I can't trust them. I can trust all you though. Go see it. I can't because I have no money at the moment.

And SW can't die yet. I haven't gotten my live action Nolan directed Shadows of the Empire film and i haven't gotten my Jerry Bruckheimer Knights of the Old Republic film starring Revan.

just in case you missed it... wheres your proof at?

Darth Maul
08-15-2008, 04:46 PM
yes....proof....

DAN!
08-15-2008, 05:32 PM
A certain bill that I pay every two months came up this month and took quite a bit of my paycheck plus I had to pay the rent and buy the groceries. Then my friends like to go to clubs and stuff so I have save some for that. So after all the expenses and putting money aside in savings and emergency, I probably won't be able to see this until another two weeks.


arent you like 15?

FranklinTard
08-15-2008, 05:57 PM
i would hope... nay pray, that no 15 year old actually liked skid row.

hell i pray no one actually does... but alas... they fall on deaf ears...

DAN!
08-15-2008, 06:00 PM
i would hope... nay pray, that no 15 year old actually liked skid row.

hell i pray no one actually does... but alas... they fall on deaf ears...

i thought that too, and i thought he was at least in his twenties in order to know who skid row is. But other members thought he might be really young (which would explain a lot).

I think his name is skid row because he actually lives there. He referenced to it before that he did

DAN!
08-15-2008, 06:53 PM
No, it's bull****.

A movie ticket costs $10, that's like two drinks at the "club" you go to. So, give up two drinks and go to the damn movie.

I could always do that. But damn...I love my cadillacs :( .

Well, if he is drinking cadillacs i would venture to say that just one drink would cost him at least $10. And just a shot of tequilla would cost about $8 at a club. And then there is the cover charge of at least $10.

serously though, movies are what you do when you have no money. When you do have money is when you go out to the clubs and crap. Going to a club you are bound to spend $50. And going to a bar you can spend $20. and going to a movie, for me is anywhere between $4 to 9.50. but it is still less than going to a club, and that goes for anyone anywere.

King_of_Skid_Row
08-15-2008, 07:48 PM
i would hope... nay pray, that no 15 year old actually liked skid row.

hell i pray no one actually does... but alas... they fall on deaf ears...

Oh I'm not that bad when I'm being serious. Let's wipe the slate clean. We can all be friends here, huh?

DAN!
08-15-2008, 11:43 PM
what he said had nothing to do with you being serious or not.

King_of_Skid_Row
08-16-2008, 04:00 AM
I know. I was just saying I'm not that bad when I'm fully serious.

Fanible
08-16-2008, 09:53 AM
I know. I was just saying I'm not that bad when I'm fully serious.

I think you've kind of ruined any possibility of people taking you seriously anymore. =P

DAN!
08-16-2008, 09:57 AM
I think you've kind of ruined any possibility of people taking you seriously anymore. =P

I take a redkneck that was abducted by aliens more seriously than the stuff he says.

King_of_Skid_Row
08-16-2008, 02:26 PM
You know when I'm being serious. I don't mention reboots in my post.

DAN!
08-16-2008, 05:07 PM
yeah........sure. sure you can afford to spend $50 at a club but can't afford a $10 movie ticket. that is def not a joke.

King_of_Skid_Row
08-16-2008, 05:22 PM
From the sound of ED's review, I think the club is looking more fun than this. This can wait.

Matrix_Fan
08-16-2008, 05:28 PM
All that talk and you aren't going to bother to see this opening weekend? I wasn't even looking forward to it and I went and saw it!

King_of_Skid_Row
08-16-2008, 05:32 PM
I'm going to see it. Just not yet. I'll have my review up after I see it.

DAN!
08-16-2008, 05:39 PM
From the sound of ED's review, I think the club is looking more fun than this. This can wait.

one review changes your mind.... but you ignore the 100s of other reviews out there because the critics didn't see it.... good grief

King_of_Skid_Row
08-16-2008, 05:48 PM
I see nothing wrong in trusting a regular viewer over a biased movie critic.

DAN!
08-16-2008, 05:53 PM
except you called Ewok a star wars hater in another thread.....

You know, why don't you (ewok) just put in your sig. 'I hate George Lucas and Star Wars with a passion'. Because we really get the picture that you wish George was never born and never created Star Wars.


So..... You hate Ewok's opinion, and think he is wrong, but assume he is right about a movie you have never seen before?



I might actually end up seeing this movie...... a friend of mine is a huge SW fan and no one wants to go with him.

King_of_Skid_Row
08-16-2008, 06:47 PM
He then laid out many times that he just hates Lucas. I finally got the picture. His review is more valid than critics.

Ewok Droppings
08-17-2008, 02:11 AM
I wouldn't say that my review is more valid than anyone elses. It's just my opinion. I'd say, if you are truly a Star Wars fan (which you have claimed many times in the past) than you would check this out on the big screen. But definitely go in with the understanding that Lucas has put his "Jar Jar" elements into the movie.

SnoBorderZero
08-17-2008, 02:27 AM
He then laid out many times that he just hates Lucas. I finally got the picture. His review is more valid than critics.

This is no knock on either Ewok or Matrix, but how is a viewer's review unbiased compared to a critic's? Both of them could have been die hard Star Wars fans and given it a 10 (which neither of them did) whereas a critic isn't partial to any movie and doesn't have an obligation in any way to do a movie favors. People who think critics are always wrong are usually the ones who don't understand how to critique a film.

DAN!
08-17-2008, 09:06 AM
People who think critics are always wrong are usually the ones who don't understand how to critique a film.

bingo!

I wouldn't say that my review is more valid than anyone elses. It's just my opinion. I'd say, if you are truly a Star Wars fan (which you have claimed many times in the past) than you would check this out on the big screen. But definitely go in with the understanding that Lucas has put his "Jar Jar" elements into the movie.

you humble man :redface:

halo7
08-17-2008, 10:27 AM
There is a common pattern among people who think critics are always wrong. Anyone else noticed it? It seems that they all enjoy ****ty movies.

FranklinTard
08-17-2008, 11:23 AM
they also enjoy nascar... weird developments....

King_of_Skid_Row
08-17-2008, 02:55 PM
This is no knock on either Ewok or Matrix, but how is a viewer's review unbiased compared to a critic's? Both of them could have been die hard Star Wars fans and given it a 10 (which neither of them did) whereas a critic isn't partial to any movie and doesn't have an obligation in any way to do a movie favors. People who think critics are always wrong are usually the ones who don't understand how to critique a film.

Because majority the time they are not going to go on a big long rant on why SW should never have been created and not even mention why the film is bad or good. Then go on and on why ANH and RotJ are just as bad as the prequel films and such. So instead of a review of the film, it looks more like they judge the film based off of Lucas's career and his personal life. But it tends to happen a lot where they judge a film based on an actor's personal life or a director's past rather on whether the film is good or bad. I want to hear about the film not the actor or director's personal life or past.

This is why in this case I trust a regular viewer like ED, DAN!, Matrix, or you.

DragnFire22
08-17-2008, 04:33 PM
wow 10 bucks

I pay to see a movie before 4pm on weekends and it's 5 bucks.

Not to mention Mon-Thurs its 5 bucks.

Find a better theatre.

I was averaging, because I know a lot of theaters charge more. Mine is $6, but I usually spend $20 after getting the girlfriend's ticket, and concessions.

SnoBorderZero
08-17-2008, 04:42 PM
Because majority the time they are not going to go on a big long rant on why SW should never have been created and not even mention why the film is bad or good. Then go on and on why ANH and RotJ are just as bad as the prequel films and such. So instead of a review of the film, it looks more like they judge the film based off of Lucas's career and his personal life. But it tends to happen a lot where they judge a film based on an actor's personal life or a director's past rather on whether the film is good or bad. I want to hear about the film not the actor or director's personal life or past.

This is why in this case I trust a regular viewer like ED, DAN!, Matrix, or you.

I'm more interested in reading the reviews of this board's members as well, but there are no critics (not good ones anyway) that hold personal vendettas against filmmakers for reasons like that. They review the movies, plain and simple. Maybe some garbage websites that review movies will do that, but I'm talking critics who write for newspapers and magazines.

King_of_Skid_Row
08-17-2008, 10:46 PM
I finally saw it. WARNING: Those who are waiting for that insanely violent Sin City style SW better skip this film and wait for the live action TV series that will air on either HBO or Showtime. Your gruesome violence will come soon don't worry :D ! Lucas already promised such thing for the live action series.

SnoBorderZero
08-17-2008, 11:27 PM
The only one waiting for this violent movie that will never come is you.

King_of_Skid_Row
08-17-2008, 11:30 PM
Actually not a movie. It will be a live action TV series set between RotS and ANH. It's already said to be not for children but strictly for adults which is why HBO is the prime candidate to air such material.

Makes sense the main characters will be bounty hunters, gangsters, smugglers, and pod racers. We might see some blood and nudity :D

FranklinTard
08-17-2008, 11:31 PM
haha hbo buying star wars.... anything.... haha...

SnoBorderZero
08-17-2008, 11:32 PM
Where is this article? I'm not calling you a liar, I'm just saying this is big and I think some proof is in order.

FranklinTard
08-17-2008, 11:35 PM
i think hes just suggesting... but even the suggestion of hbo buying anything star wars, regardless of content... but i do remember reading lucas wanted to do a 'darker' series of some sort on television... but he says a lot of crazy things... maybe because he is in fact crazy.

King_of_Skid_Row
08-17-2008, 11:40 PM
I'll see if I can find one of the interviews regarding the live action series. I'll post it up when I find one.

Tornado
08-17-2008, 11:41 PM
i think hes just suggesting... but even the suggestion of hbo buying anything star wars, regardless of content... but i do remember reading lucas wanted to do a 'darker' series of some sort on television... but he says a lot of crazy things... maybe because he is in fact crazy.

Right. But darker for Lucas just means "less Jar Jar." I for one would be shocked if we ever got a Star Wars 'anything' of the nature Skid Row is suggesting: nudity, swearing, gore, etc. I think the television show could very well be as dark in tone as ESB was, but even that's not that dark.

SnoBorderZero
08-17-2008, 11:42 PM
Yeah it reminds me of when MTV did a Spider-Man series. Everyone predicted it'd have lots of violence, sex, and swearing. He said crap a few times and there were a few bloody noses, that was it.

jbailey84
08-17-2008, 11:52 PM
Right. But darker for Lucas just means "less Jar Jar." I for one would be shocked if we ever got a Star Wars 'anything' of the nature Skid Row is suggesting: nudity, swearing, gore, etc. I think the television show could very well be as dark in tone as ESB was, but even that's not that dark.
hell if they do nudity, Aayla Secura needs to have a scene :D lol

DAN!
08-18-2008, 12:12 AM
i ... maybe because he is in fact crazy.

i think his mind is trapped in a galaxy far far away and he hasn't been to earth in awhile

King_of_Skid_Row
08-19-2008, 01:50 PM
So who do you think is going to kill Ahsoka? Dooku or Ventress? I'm betting Ventress and Anakin will decaptitate her.