The Hobbit discussion

[Fanible]

As to prevent yet another generic title discussing something related to the Hobbit, figured I'd go ahead and make one for news in general.

The latest, obviously being about how Peter Jackson is out, and New Line considering Raimi to be in. Not to say anything is in stone, and as all of us can still dream that maybe some day the nightmare will be over and something will be worked out with New Line or MGM and PJ will come back. As of now, though, it still remains to be seen as such.

On the eve of what is expected to be the biggest Spider-Man yet, Entertainment Weekly learns that director Sam Raimi is seriously considering directing The Hobbit—a choice that could potentially leave Spidey 4 without a director and, says Kirsten Dunst, a leading lady.

Raimi's name has been floated in connection with The Hobbit ever since a very public dustup between Peter Jackson and New Line chairman Bob Shaye left the Lord of the Rings prequel without a director. Raimi went on the record for the first time about his potential involvement in the project during an exclusive interview with EW's Steve Daly for the magazine's Summer Preview issue, on stands Friday: "Peter Jackson might be the best filmmaker on the planet right now. But, um, I don't know what's going to happen next for me right now. First and foremost, those are Peter Jackson and Bob Shaye's films. If Peter didn't want to do it, and Bob wanted me to do it—and they were both ok with me picking up the reigns—that would be great. I love the book. It's maybe a more kid-friendly story than the others."

[Sora Kahn]

Well, i guess they remember his work on Hercules and Xena and that's why they are considering. He could do a good job....I guess.

[Ramplate]

Well, i guess they remember his work on Hercules and Xena and that's why they are considering. He could do a good job....I guess.

Hercules and Xena were pretty poor IMO :funny:
That would be a drastic dive in quality if the Hobbit ended up looking like those shows :rolleyes: :lol:

[IanTheCool]

Hercules and Xena were pretty poor IMO :funny:
That would be a drastic dive in quality if the Hobbit ended up looking like those shows :rolleyes: :lol:

xena and hercules were exactly as they wer supposed to be. they were meant to be cheesy like taht. but dont worry, sam raimi knows the difference between taking something seriosuly and hamping stuff up (ie. spdierman compared to army of darkness).

[Ramplate]

Yeah I know :D bigger budget too
Love what he's done with Spidey, but I don't think I'm gonna see The Hobbit in the theaters (yeah I'm one of those people :D )

[Deexan]

As much as im looking forward to The Hobbit, (regardless of who's got the reins) The Children of Hurin has the potential to eclipse both that and the LOTR if done right.

[FranklinTard]

whoa middle earth elitists....

i dont see whats so bad with the original animated movie...

[Fanible]

whoa middle earth elitists....

i dont see whats so bad with the original animated movie...

....Who mentioned the animated movie?

[FVD]

If Children of Hurin gets made into a movie I do pray that New Line doesn't get the rights to the film. It would be a smart move not to have them make this film which would possibly give Peter Jackson a chance to make it himself.

But of course you all knew that already. ;)

[Fanible]

See the reason why I wish PJ was doing the Hobbit, is simply because it's more directly related to LOTR, so I'd like to see his same style applied. If Hurin was made into a film, that would be one I wouldn't mind seeing someone else take the helm.

[adt100]

....Who mentioned the animated movie?

Where there's a whip... there's a way!" (I know, that's ROTK but hey)

Public dustup between PJ and Shaye, what's all this about then? (sorry, I've been away from movie new for the past few months :( )

[Wildfire]

money adt and respect ...PJ says Newline owes him millions and wants what he`s due,Newline says the`ve paid enough and wont cough up the money

[JokerNick]

no director will touch the Hobbit... no one... not even Brett Ratner (shivers at the thought)... no one will want their work compated with PJs.... Newline will lose the rights, MGM will obtain all rights, PJ will be brought back, along with McKellon and some other principal cast members....

atleast that is my wish

[FranklinTard]

UWE BALL (spelling?) for director of the hobbit.

whos with me?

[cinnon]

I still cant believe that shayne put both of his feet in his mouth. Just the FACT that there are so many LOTR fans that are dying to see the hobbit done, who again are PJ fans as well, that he would risk loosing millons of dallors by having another director do this. I guess new line just has money to blow. Well, if they did, they could payoff PJ and still make more money. Guess that would be to easy.
WOULD SOMEONE PLEASE PAINT A BIG "L" ON SHAYNE'S FOREHEAD? :omg:

[FranklinTard]

throw it to george lucas he does wonders with aiming films at kids....

[Sora Kahn]

^Well, he did alright with Willow.

[Fanible]

The SW prequels were the only disappointments, IMO, from Lucas... when I really think about it. I enjoyed Willow and Radioland Murders.

[FranklinTard]

so you would support a george lucas directed hobbit?


you shame these boards.

[Sora Kahn]

^He made three average movies but made four good ones and assisted in creating Indy Jones. Not too bad.

[adt100]

Ridley Scott would do a great job IMO.

[Fiabon]

Remember the Hobbit is a different style than LOTR, I found it to be more about characters, friendship and physical and mental exploration rather than killiing Ogres and wars to end all wars.
I feel a different style than PJ would be good and George Lucas would suite this perfectly, I'm not keen on any of Raimi's work.

[Fanible]

Ridley Scott would do a great job IMO.

See I'd say Ridley would be good for something like Hurin. Hobbit is a bit too colorful that I couldn't exactly see his trademark style doing it right.

[FranklinTard]

guy who made pans labrynth would be cool. guillermo del toro or whatever

[Nimrandir]

I originally thought he would be terrible as the dir., but I thought I would give him the benefite of the doubt. His spiderman movies were good. Yet, his movies seem to me to lack what is necessary to make it look like "realistic fantasy" in the story as well as the visuals. And after hearing his latest comment on how its less dark and more open to children. Sorry, but thats it. It was a childrens book, but make it into an adult movie. Sam raimi... not quite worst idea ever but bad.

[Nimrandir]

Remember the Hobbit is a different style than LOTR, I found it to be more about characters, friendship and physical and mental exploration rather than killiing Ogres and wars to end all wars.
I feel a different style than PJ would be good and George Lucas would suite this perfectly, I'm not keen on any of Raimi's work.

Ah, yes, GL that would be great. good story teller, the star wars dialogue seems like it was written by a 12 year old(no offense to the 12 year old) But wait, we could have cgi sckylines, and cgi monsters and cgi animals and cgi people, and cgi un-people, and also cgi building and cgi landscapes, and cgi close ups, and...hey why not just do the whole movie in cgi. That would be interesting right? I think not. Lucas has ruined the sw with his cgi everything and his lack of ability to direct or write. Please keep that furry destructive ewok away from a great franchise.

[Spidey2DocOck]

whoa middle earth elitists....

i dont see whats so bad with the original animated movie...Anything is better than that animated movie.

[adt100]

Alfonso Cuarón?

[Sora Kahn]

Ah, yes, GL that would be great. good story teller, the star wars dialogue seems like it was written by a 12 year old(no offense to the 12 year old) But wait, we could have cgi sckylines, and cgi monsters and cgi animals and cgi people, and cgi un-people, and also cgi building and cgi landscapes, and cgi close ups, and...hey why not just do the whole movie in cgi. That would be interesting right? I think not. Lucas has ruined the sw with his cgi everything and his lack of ability to direct or write. Please keep that furry destructive ewok away from a great franchise.

You guys complain about Lucas using CGI backgrounds and CGI everything, but will be the first to praise a movie like 300 and Sin City for using all CGI everywhere. The fact is, you need CGI when making a planet or a city like Coruscant. That is of course if you could build a space ship and go find find a planet just like it in the Milky Way.

[spide-ed]

You guys complain about Lucas using CGI backgrounds and CGI everything, but will be the first to praise a movie like 300 and Sin City for using all CGI everywhere. The fact is, you need CGI when making a planet or a city like Coruscant. That is of course if you could build a space ship and go find find a planet just like it in the Milky Way.

Right on....i mean i thought Star Wars was visually stunning but Lucas isnt always the greatest with dialougue.

As for Raimi, i love Spidey but he wouldnt be my pick.

I personally think this is crying out for the visual scope of Ridley Scott.

[IanTheCool]

i just hope whoever it is doesnt make it too dark. the hobbit should be a little ligther than lord of the rings. thats why i worry about someone like cuaron or even scott. though scott could still pull it off. on the other side, im worried athat raimi may not take it seriously enough, the more i think about it. as great as spierman is, they still have taht inherent raimi goofiness to them.

[spide-ed]

Gladiator isnt that dark, it has dark themes but it has nice lightness to some parts of it too. Theres a real warmness to some of the characters. With lighter themed source material Scott could make a great movie too.

[Movie mogul]

Peter Jackson should do it. End of story. He had the balls to take on the LOTR trilogy and should do The Hobbit. He knows the territory, has the experience and could probably do something spectacular. Raimi should stick to Spidey.

[HeadLikeAHole]

its not going to happen, shayne is actually stupid enough to believe it would. MGM has the distribution rights and they are hell bent on getting jackson. plus the rights are going to revert back soon. shyane is just blwoing smoke out his ass.


raimi's spiderman is'nt that great either, i can find better directors who can do a helluva better then what sam has done.

[TK-421]

Peter Jackson should do it. End of story. He had the balls to take on the LOTR trilogy and should do The Hobbit. He knows the territory, has the experience and could probably do something spectacular. Raimi should stick to Spidey.

Agreed.

[FranklinTard]

Pretty sure thats what we are all saying, but theres no way hes coming back, so give it up. I think they need to go small time, no big names here. And i always thought the hobbit was kind of jokey in the way of reading anyway, how serious do you want this to be?

[André]

You guys complain about Lucas using CGI backgrounds and CGI everything, but will be the first to praise a movie like 300 and Sin City for using all CGI everywhere. The fact is, you need CGI when making a planet or a city like Coruscant. That is of course if you could build a space ship and go find find a planet just like it in the Milky Way.

Not really. Its not the same, but if you have to defend use of CGI in SW by comparing to Sin City and 300 then you just show that you have no argument.

Problem was that GL used CGI where he didnt have to. More often then not, that CG wasnt top notch at all. The places where he had to use CGI it was mostly good (like planets, space battles etc..).

[Ultimate Movie-Man]

George Lucas's use of CG is like Star Wars and CG is its oxygen.

Too bad Star Wars is usually too convuluted to breathe.

I take that back I just wanted to say something witty. I like the Star Wars films but Lucas is a hack.

Now I'm done my daily Lucas bashings back on topic.

I want Peter Jackson to do this. New Line has to get their finger out of their arse flick Sam Raimi off and get Peter back into Middle-Earth.

[IanTheCool]

Gladiator isnt that dark, it has dark themes but it has nice lightness to some parts of it too. Theres a real warmness to some of the characters. With lighter themed source material Scott could make a great movie too.

yeah, you're probably right. he has enough experience to work with several different tones for a movie.

[Sora Kahn]

Not really. Its not the same, but if you have to defend use of CGI in SW by comparing to Sin City and 300 then you just show that you have no argument.

Problem was that GL used CGI where he didnt have to. More often then not, that CG wasnt top notch at all. The places where he had to use CGI it was mostly good (like planets, space battles etc..).

I do agree that he didn't need to use CGI with stuff like fruit. But what gets me is the complaints about the backgrounds. Would it really be wise to have the actors film over real lava and near an active volcano?

[LOTRNUT04]

I think that New Line was an integral part of making LOTR as successful as it was. I also think that Peter Jackson has too much invested in the franchise, too many devoted fans, too much knowledge of the LOTR universe to not be involved.

I think if New Line goes forward w/o PJ, the movie won't be as good as it can be
I also think that if PJ does the movie w/o NL, the movie won't be as good as it can be

As you can see, I want the collaboration that they had with LOTR to carry over to this movie. Get rid of SR, patch things up with PJ, and bring him back

[Ultimate Movie-Man]

Edit: Just read your post correctly.

[droidsocket]

People really need to look a little bit harder at the plot and events of the hobbit. Everyone thinks that a hobbit movie should be super light and fun and directed at children "because that's the way the book is!"

Well i am sorry but you are wrong! Stop confusing the events that happen with the narrative of the story.

Yes the narrative is much lighter and the story isn't as foreboding as LOTR but there is a reason for that (and no its not because its a children's book)

First and most important is that the narrative comes from the point of view of Bilbo. Bilbo is very different then Frodo, he seems to look at his journey in a much simpler way. Much to the fact that he is naive but also because his journey is to go and find gold (and he still complains most of the time). Frodo's was to save the world in which he fully understands the concept that he may not survive.

This is what i think is fooling people to think that a movie should be done lighter the LOTR. True the story isn't as foreboding because its not the end of the world and the main character doesnt hold the weight of the world on his shoulders. But if we look at what happens during Bilbo's expedition one would see that the events would be just as dark and violent as the other film. We have death destruction and the hueing of many orc, dwarves, elves and humans. We have Mirkwood the dark and scary forest with evil spiders. The battle of five armies would be just as horrible (in the sense of death and war) then any of the other battles. And in this case visually the out come would be the same. They may not be fighting to save the world, but fighting for ones life is fighting for ones life.

So let me conclude by saying this...If the right director films the movie (and by right director i mean PJ) We will have a film that fits right in with the LOTR in that it has adventure, scope and sweet battles just as it is written. Will it be lighter in tone? Sort of ... Remember we are focusing on Bilbo not Frodo and in that it naturally will be lighter...but with all the darkness of war, death and saying goodbye to fallen friends in the foreground of Bilbo's lighter perception.

[IanTheCool]

Yes but when you're doing a novel-to-screen adaption, the best adaptions not only show the events of the book, but also capture the tone, of which the hobbits was lighter. Yes, some parts will be moreon the scary side, but the battle doesnt have to be a helms deep type battle either.

[Amnien]

Alfonso Cuarón?
NEVER!!!!!!! He already ****ed up on Harry Potter He should never and I mean never direct again :P

[Movie mogul]

Hmm...i think Cuarón's take on Harry Potter was impressive and he could probably pull off The Hobbit...but i'd rather see PJ back in the chair.

[Ultimate Movie-Man]

Amnien I really hope that comment was sarcastic because Cuaron is such a visual director which is crucial in keeping your audience interested plus his movies rock.

But yes - Jackson back in the chair. New Lines stupid to have even considered being this stupid and knocking him out of the game.

[spide-ed]

Amnien I really hope that comment was sarcastic because Cuaron is such a visual director which is crucial in keeping your audience interested plus his movies rock.

.

Children of Men is a great movie.

[Amnien]

Yes my comment was mostly Sarcastic but i do think he didn't do a good job on harry potter to much was cut and switched

[Ultimate Movie-Man]

Children of Men is a great movie.

Great is the understatement of the century. I think it was fan-diddly-tastic but extremely bleak and a bit hard to watch. Doesnt stop it from being fan-diddly-tastic!

Yes my comment was mostly Sarcastic but i do think he didn't do a good job on harry potter to much was cut and switched

Visually I think he did fantastically for the story he was working on (PoA) as it has helped the films to become darker in tone, so Alfonso's being chosen as director was very important turning point in the terms of the tone of the series. As for the story, some of it is a bit confusing and a bit muffled but I don't mind.

But then again I've read the book...:confused:

[droidsocket]

IanTheCool....Thank you for making a very important point for me! LOL

"the best adaptions not only show the events of the book, but also capture the tone" Your words.

"but the battle doesn't have to be a helms deep type battle either." Also your words.

What really makes me frustrated is when people make comments like these. Because is shows a lack of knowledge when it comes to the books....You completely contradicted yourself with these two statements....

Because you are saying that if the movie is to succeed you need to stay close to the book....Well if Pj would have stayed close to the book with the Two Towers, Helms Deep would have been a 10 minute fight...instead of the epic battle we fans drule about.....Why because Tolkien invested less then a full chapter to that battle....

People love to throw the blame at Pj when he changes things in ways they don't like..but don't say much when he changes things in ways that make them way better on film..

Don't get me wrong the books are wonderful in there own right...but they are books...they work altogether differently then films do.. And i am one that is truly happy that they changed the way the movies transferred to screen..because i am pretty sure that a 4 hour film with 20min of fighting and the rest wondering around would bore the tears out of me.

So does the Battle of five armies need to be filmed as epic and kick ass as helms deep...no...but why not...it would make it that much better of a film.

[Dogbert0228]

I just re-read FOTR and then rewatched the film. All the small Hobbit references are so wonderful and make for amazing continuity and entertainment. They also lead me to believe that PJ always had it in mind to make The Hobbit in a few years (including the fact that he kept the Bag End set intact). Also seeing Ian Holm in FOTR, 6 year ago, but they would still be just fine having him as Bilbo. He's spry and fit and the perfect actor, and continuity would just be amazing. MGM needs to get their act together. Start using some of that damn Bond fortune to finance and obtain this film the way it needs to be!

[Fanible]

Finally, some good news:


Peter Jackson to Return for The Hobbit?

New Line Cinema has given "The Lord of the Rings" fans, who want to see director Peter Jackson return for The Hobbit, some hope. Speaking to the Los Angeles Times, studio founder Bob Shaye commented on the matter:

Eager to move ahead with "The Hobbit," New Line has quietly been trying to mend fences with "Rings" filmmaker Peter Jackson, who has sued the company over his share of profits from the first "Rings" films. When asked if it was true that company insiders had been in talks with Jackson's reps, Shaye replied, "Yes, that's a fair statement. Notwithstanding our personal quarrels, I really respect and admire Peter and would love for him to be creatively involved in some way in 'The Hobbit.'"

According to Stuff.co.nz, Ian McKellen also said there was no doubt that a rumored reprisal of his Gandalf role in a film version of The Hobbit would be discussed with Jackson and [Fran] Walsh.

The site contacted Jackson's spokesman, who added: "Peter and Fran have always wanted to 'The Hobbit' but whether that happens is yet to be decided."

Peter Jackson may make The Hobbit after all, despite a financial battle with the studio that commissioned him to film The Lord of the Rings.

Bob Shaye, head of New Line Cinema, has told The Los Angeles Times that the studio - which Jackson has sued for profits from The Lord of the Rings trilogy - has been in talks with Jackson's representatives in a bid to mend fences and get him to direct The Hobbit.

"Notwithstanding our personal quarrels, I really respect and admire Peter and would love for him to be creatively involved in some way in The Hobbit," Mr Shaye said.

He had previously labelled Jackson as "arrogant", while Jackson and partner Fran Walsh took the unusual step of issuing a long statement on the internet last year declaring that because of clashes with New Line they had "no choice but to let the idea of a film of The Hobbit go".

British actor Sir Ian McKellen, who played the wizard Gandalf in the trilogy, is in Wellington to perform with the Royal Shakespeare Company.

At a news conference on Thursday, he said there was no doubt that a rumoured reprisal of his Gandalf role in a film version of The Hobbit would be discussed with Jackson and Walsh.

Jackson's spokesman said last night: "Peter and Fran have always wanted to do The Hobbit but whether that happens is yet to be decided."

http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/news/movies/la-et-goldstein10.1aug10,1,841904.story?ctrack=1&cset=true

http://www.stuff.co.nz/4160162a1860.html

[Sora Kahn]

^Thank god. Nothing against Raimi, but Jackson would handle this better.

[Nimrandir]

I just read this this afternoon. Excellent news!
And yes, offense to Raimi...no No one but PJ should do The Hobbit

A light in the darkness..."Hope endures."

[DarthVader 2004]

I think Jackson was teh only one not sweating here about The Hobbit. New Line said a release date of 2009 and they need to make the films soon.
So they May have to get Jackson to do it for not many but directors like to take over such trilogies as this one except for the Ratner, and Schumacers of teh world and lets prey no one like them would get the Hobbit.

[Sora Kahn]

*shivers at the thought of a Schumacher Hobbit film*

[FVD]

Ah finally some great news. What the hell changed Shaye's mind? Is Jackson and Mark Ordesky still friends despite this unfortunate incident? Bury the hatchet fellas. Give the fans what they want. You all know it.

And please let this go ahead. The Hobbit must be PJ's next project after the Lovely Bones. I was never really interested in the Halo movie either. Anyway they can start building up Hobbiton again soon anyway before Transpower installs those bloody pylons across the Waikato. Sadly the pylons are officially going ahead so I suggest Wingnut Films, Grant Major etc better get a move on soon.

[Dogbert0228]

What changed Shaye's mind? I'm only guessing, but it might have something to do with this recent quote:

"....oh God I'm not swimming enough gold coins! Give me more! I don't care how much of a douche I've been to Peter Jackson... Give me more gold. God I love my money, we need to do this Hobbit sh** right now!"

[DarthVader 2004]

I heard that Jackson may produce and write but Sam Raimi could still direct it.
If you think about it that would be a Lucas and Spielberg pairing lik in Indy only its Raimi and Jackson.
I'd be for that for The Hobbit.

[FVD]

Jackson and Raimi? Hmm I suppose I wouldn't have a problem with that. I read somewhere that Raimi would direct but with PJ's blessing. I'm sure Jackson wouldn't object to that.

As long as PJ writes the screenplay and handles everything else then I wouldn't be too worried. Pretty much the same crew would still be behind it.

But where does that leave MGM? Would they let Raimi direct if PJ still has some involvement in the film? And will there still be two films as previously rumoured?

[vader4902]

I hope it becomes real.

[vortep]

I want to see that movie!!!!If it's like the Lord of the rings it will be freakin owsome!

[Cristo]

I want to see that movie!!!!If it's like the Lord of the rings it will be freakin owsome!

First-time poster.

Oh, I feel so sad right now. Did any of you guys read Jackson's comments on AICN? I'm sure that you think since Jackson did a marvelous job with the LOTR books, he would likewise do a splendid job with the Hobbit. But Jackson detracted greatly from the light feeling of the LOTR source material (I mean, the transition is brutal, a dark beginning, 20 minutes of light, a dark movie for the rest of it).

And, I think a lot of the posters supporting Jackson's ideas just want an LOTR 0. The Hobbit would do just fine in the vein of Star Wars OT and it would be just fine as a PG movie. But, "make it for the adults"? This is madness! The Hobbit is essentially LOTR "for kids". And Jackson's ideas basically make a LOTR 0.

I, personally, like the LOTR movies but I don't want an LOTR 0. I want a Hobbit movie.

[Fanible]

I thought the Hobbit story in general was pretty scary at times.
At least I'd imagine it being slightly anyway, adapted to live-action.

[Scorpio82]

I'd rather see the Hobbit the way Tolkien first imagined it. Back then when the One Ring was just "a ring," the Dark Lord was a side-note, and the only thing anybody had to worry about was slaying a dragon and finding treasure.

With the Battle of Five Armies, the goblin underground, and the giant spiders, it'd be impossible to make it more family-friendly than LOTR. It'd still be just as violent and scary, only without the slow-motion soul possession shots, or dark cloaked figures riding around. At best, it'd be more of a fun action-adventure than a 3-part epic story.

[XtRaVa]

Well, i guess they remember his work on Hercules and Xena and that's why they are considering. He could do a good job....I guess.

Surely those two shows would make them NEVER consider him? :eek:

[keefies]

The problem is continuity. Fans will want it, PJ will prolly put it in, and truthfully, it isn't there. The Hobbit and LOTR are different, with overlap. The Hobbit simply isn't "what started" LOTR... it's a seperate, much lighter story.

PJ can do lighthearted, but truthfully, if they make this movie to make a fourth LOTR picture, they're better off not making it or letting a different crew take over, because it'd be a bastardization of the book and a waste of time.

I don't even like Tolkien's books very much.. but the last thing we need is The Hobbit being morphed in to a direct prequel with the exact same mood as the trilogy. That'd be asinine and, even (or especially) on PJ's part, a way to make a ****load of money.

Until I hear PJ say clearly that he wants to make The Hobbit as it is, independent of the trilogy, I'm worried about the movie no matter who directs.

As for Raimi... he's in serious need of a small budget and having new ideas demanded of him. Living off a huge franchise has not been good for his filmmaking.

[Tolkien]

Until I hear PJ say clearly that he wants to make The Hobbit as it is, independent of the trilogy, I'm worried about the movie no matter who directs.

How can Peter Jackson make this film independant of the trilogy? Yes, it is a very seperate and independant book, but how is he supposed to incorporate this into film? I mean, it's got to have the same feel that LOTR did, because it's the same universe. It's got to have the same actors (if they are willing) or else it will be a mockery for fans of the previous films. Explain to me how exactly is he supposed to make this movie about Middle-Earth and not have it hold the same feelings as the trilogy did? Explain that to me.

You're dealing with a hardcore Tolkien fan here, so make it good.

[Cristo]

How can Peter Jackson make this film independant of the trilogy? Yes, it is a very seperate and independant book, but how is he supposed to incorporate this into film? I mean, it's got to have the same feel that LOTR did, because it's the same universe. It's got to have the same actors (if they are willing) or else it will be a mockery for fans of the previous films. Explain to me how exactly is he supposed to make this movie about Middle-Earth and not have it hold the same feelings as the trilogy did? Explain that to me.

You're dealing with a hardcore Tolkien fan here, so make it good.

No, it doesn't.

That's like saying "Pulp Fiction" has got to be like "The Godfather" because it's in the same universe.

That's like saying "White Chicks" and "The Shawshank Redemption" oughta be alike since they're in the same universe.

[keefies]

How can Peter Jackson make this film independant of the trilogy? Yes, it is a very seperate and independant book, but how is he supposed to incorporate this into film? I mean, it's got to have the same feel that LOTR did, because it's the same universe. It's got to have the same actors (if they are willing) or else it will be a mockery for fans of the previous films. Explain to me how exactly is he supposed to make this movie about Middle-Earth and not have it hold the same feelings as the trilogy did? Explain that to me.

You're dealing with a hardcore Tolkien fan here, so make it good.

It can be the same universe, aesthetically and in casting, without adopting the epic, grim tone of the trilogy. That tone was necessary for the trilogy when, really, the entire world was at stake.

The Hobbit should be lighter. A lighter time for the world of middle earth, and a lighter touch to the storytelling. I'm not saying recast and redraw the world, I'm saying don't tell it the same way you told the trilogy, within that world. Otherwise it isn't worth it, from a creative standpoint.

That said, I have no doubt that if PJ, or Raimi, or anyone else capable working off a good script does the opposite of what I'd like to see and makes a Hobbit movie that strives to be a proper prequel and mimics the tone of the trilogy that it will be a good movie. I just don't see the point. We have that movie, do the other side of the coin. LOTR books were as lighthearted as they were series, but not so for the movies, so let's bring some joy and fun in to that world with The Hobbit. Really make the Hobbit, not just a 4th LOTR, or it's a cashcow instead of a proper film, even if PJ directs. That's all I mean.

[Tolkien]

No, it doesn't.

That's like saying "Pulp Fiction" has got to be like "The Godfather" because it's in the same universe.

That's like saying "White Chicks" and "The Shawshank Redemption" oughta be alike since they're in the same universe.

None of those films are in the same universe you smart ass. How does that post explain how three books from the same Middle-Earth are supposed to be held apart from the fourth book just because it has a seperate storyline different from that of the main trilogy? Of course the film doesn't have to have anything to do with the trilogy, I know that. I've read the book. But it's a Middle-Earth story and thus should hold somewhat of the same feel. White Chicks and Shawshank Redemption? Are you insane?

[Tolkien]

It can be the same universe, aesthetically and in casting, without adopting the epic, grim tone of the trilogy. That tone was necessary for the trilogy when, really, the entire world was at stake.

The Hobbit should be lighter. A lighter time for the world of middle earth, and a lighter touch to the storytelling. I'm not saying recast and redraw the world, I'm saying don't tell it the same way you told the trilogy, within that world. Otherwise it isn't worth it, from a creative standpoint.

That said, I have no doubt that if PJ, or Raimi, or anyone else capable working off a good script does the opposite of what I'd like to see and makes a Hobbit movie that strives to be a proper prequel and mimics the tone of the trilogy that it will be a good movie. I just don't see the point. We have that movie, do the other side of the coin. LOTR books were as lighthearted as they were series, but not so for the movies, so let's bring some joy and fun in to that world with The Hobbit. Really make the Hobbit, not just a 4th LOTR, or it's a cashcow instead of a proper film, even if PJ directs. That's all I mean.

I understand that, but if need be, I think Jackson understand's the story enough to make it a much, much lighter film the he made the previous three. I know he made the previous three much darker then the books made them out to be, but it worked. Like you said, the whole world in that story was at stake, so the tone of the films transfered very nicely. It gave us the feel that each character had been going through. But I think that Jackson is wise enough to adapt this into film more lightly then the trilogy.

[Sora Kahn]

Surely those two shows would make them NEVER consider him? :eek:

hmm, afraid their going to have Gandalf flip over somebody's head?

Well, Hollywood is soon going to have Dinos with guns. I guess flipping wizards is next.

[Necross]

PJ understands tolkien's writing and the mood for his books. He won't screw up the Hobbit.

[FVD]

I wonder if the two movie idea is still being considered. In an earlier interview, PJ also thought it would have been a good idea to have two movies just to add the complexities and tie a few things up to connect to LOTR.

Also happened to stumble into the forums at The One Ring and read a thread on Bruce Campbell and his previous experience with Bob Shaye-dy and New Lies Cinema. :funny:

Something about him warning his buddy Sam Raimi should he go ahead with directing the Hobbit due to their experiences with Shaye-dy and New Lies making Evil Dead all those years ago. And if Raimi lands the gig what role would Campbell play? Voice of Smaug? And I also learned that in every film Raimi has made his Oldsmoblie has made a cameo in every one of his films. Surely there's no way a car will ever appear in Middle Earth.

[macca]

guy who made pans labrynth would be cool. guillermo del toro or whatever

I totally agree or maybe chris columbus he done a good job with harry potter.

[Fanible]

or maybe chris columbus he done a good job with harry potter.

:eek:

[Boro]

Good news.

[donny]

The Hobbit possibly back on track... with pj

http://i24.tinypic.com/25sl9na.jpg




Heres the full interview
http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,20142132_4,00.html

[Fanible]

That didn't really seem to indicate anything new, from what we've already known. It will probably be made, and probably involve Peter Jackson in some shape or form. That's about it though.

[sshuttari]

This is great news, something to wait for

woot!

[donny]

still thought it was worth sharing.

[FVD]

So how long will we be expecting this movie to come out? 2010? It looks that way if the Lovely Bones is likely to be released in 2009. The Hobbit may end up coming out in 2011. 10 years after Fellowship came out. I wouldn't be surprised either way.

[Dogbert0228]

BBC interviewed Ian McClellan for his current run as King Lear and this is what was posted:

"When Peter announced he had withdrawn from The Hobbit, he sent me an email saying: 'Because I am not going to do it, it doesn't mean you have to do the same,'" McKellen is quoted as saying.

"'Of course, you must play Gandalf whether I direct or not.'"

"I am glad to read that it is looking more and more likely," the 68-year-old continued.

[Panther2000]

The Hobbit possibly back on track... with pj

http://i24.tinypic.com/25sl9na.jpg




Heres the full interview
http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,20142132_4,00.html
Thanks for this. I was hopping that someone would post this article.

It gives me major hope. New Line's clock is ticking down. MGM has already stated that they want PJ on the job & I think that Most Hollywood top Dir & Producers are afraid to go anywhere near this movie( once again) because of the MASSIVE Fan support that PJ has for this project. We all know what will come from PJ & all the detail he puts into his work. & Eventhough, The Hobbit is a Different Book. The Movie would still have to feel & look like LOTR's Middle earth. Not to mention the support that the Rings Stars have for Jackson& this project. Ian (Gandalf pretty much stated that he would come back only if Jackson is on board.)

& the Other Important factor is that The Rights is running out & Being that Rings made so much money You know that they would want to redue the deal for much more money & not to mention any DVD or Merchandise monies that they could also collect. In short. Once the clock runs on on the current deal, the Price will probably triple the current contract.

"When Peter announced he had withdrawn from The Hobbit, he sent me an email saying: 'Because I am not going to do it, it doesn't mean you have to do the same,'" McKellen is quoted as saying.

"'Of course, you must play Gandalf whether I direct or not.'" PJ is right there. No one else can play Gandalf.

That didn't really seem to indicate anything new, from what we've already known. It will probably be made, and probably involve Peter Jackson in some shape or form. That's about it though :nono: PLEASE:rolleyes:

They are in a much better place than where they were before. Because, that was a pretty nasty press release that New Released about a year or so ago. The Question was, what are they so afraid of people looking back at the financial records. Good God, someone actually got a check for .45 cents for merchandising. That is a Damn shame. with all the millions upone millions of dollars that they collect from all stuff they have on the market. That right there tells me that playing games with these records.

So how long will we be expecting this movie to come out? 2010? It looks that way if the Lovely Bones is likely to be released in 2009. The Hobbit may end up coming out in 2011. 10 years after Fellowship came out. I wouldn't be surprised either way As long as they get the deal done & PJ, Fran Phillipa, WETA are all on board. I will be waiting on pins & needles just like the Billions of Rings rans aroudn the world. It would be like before with all the talk of the casting & reports ( With PJ 's approval of course, ) from the sets(hopefully). Us Ring Fans have been waiting sense ROTK won for Best Picture on Oscar Night for any news on The Making of the Hobbit. NOt saying that it is a done deal yet. But, If New Line wants in. They Know that they have to deal with PJ. Beause if they don't. The Next Studio sure as hell will.

[Cristo]

But, I don't want the Hobbit to be just another LOTR movie. The Lord of the Rings is OVER, and us "Hobbit" fans don't want PJ throwing all the extra material into the films that he plans on throwing in.

[Fanible]

:nono: PLEASE:rolleyes:

Hm? Maybe my post was confusing. What I meant was that most of what was in this article, IE the fact that New Line's time is ticking down, AND that NL was even starting to want to come to a neutral ground between them and PJ, was already known. What I meant by my post is - the 'news' that: The movie will be getting made and PJ will probably be involved, perhaps directing as well - is not exactly something we don't already know. We've had a couple different reports prior to this one that have talked about PJ talking to both NL and MGM, NL and PJ settling differences, and that his involvement is looking more likely, in directing, or at the very least, producing.

Nothing wrong with the article. It's a very good sum up of everything as of now. I just said I didn't find much in it to be particularly "new news".

[LOTRNUT04]

anyone got any new news since the legal battle is over?

[Darth Bane]

Just chiming in that the legal battle isn't technically over. There's a court date for the two sides set for January by the last press release out of the trades.

Sure, it seems that New Line is softening its position on working with PJ again before they lose the rights to the film. It's just there is still a court case to be resolved under a judge early next year.

Unless New Line just agrees to pay Jackson, Walsh and parties early and settle out of court.

I could see something like that happening in a deal with PJ to give him more of a back-end monetary amount for accepting the Hobbit job. But that's speculative on my part..

The court case is still set though.

[LOTRNUT04]

I thought I read that they weren't going to appeal.

[Panther2000]

But, I don't want the Hobbit to be just another LOTR movie. The Lord of the Rings is OVER, and us "Hobbit" fans don't want PJ throwing all the extra material into the films that he plans on throwing in.

Well, I seem to remember all the fuss about when All the Rings news was being announced & PJ & company & all the casting & such.

EM, & How did that turn out?.
The Hobbit will be amazing just as RINGS was. & Fans could only hope that The Hobbit is just as good & Successful as any of the Ring movies ( Both Box Office wise & Critical Acclaim). Don't try to throw RINGS under the bus because those movies are finished & The Hobbit (Hopefully) is on the way.

The Hobbit ( IF made, keepping fingers crossed that it will be ) will always be compared to Rings.

[Scorpio82]

Jackson to produce "The Hobbit" and sequel. (http://www.comingsoon.net/news/movienews.php?id=40300)

A sequel to the Hobbit? I remember there being other Middle-Earth stories, but I thought "Lord of the Rings" was the official sequel. Anyone know what they're talking about, or are they going to split up "The Hobbit" into two movies?

[Dogbert0228]

Jackson to produce "The Hobbit" and sequel. (http://www.comingsoon.net/news/movienews.php?id=40300)

A sequel to the Hobbit? I remember there being other Middle-Earth stories, but I thought "Lord of the Rings" was the official sequel. Anyone know what they're talking about, or are they going to split up "The Hobbit" into two movies?

Is it April fools? Did I just roll out of bed into an alternate universe?

Best motherf-ing news in forever! It is about damn time. I don't care about two movies. I don't care thaT PJ is only executive producer. All that matters is that PJ is making The Hobbit, finally. Thank you MGM, New Line, and PJ. Let's hope this news doesn't give Ian McKellan or Ian Holm a heart attack of joy.

WE NEED THE HOBBIT THREAD OPENED IN "FRANCHISES" AT ONCE; A RETURN TO THE CS! BOARDS' GLORY DAYS OF THE LOTR FORUM! (Two movies!)

http://www.corey-butler.com/Bag_End_Hi.jpg

[Ewok Droppings]

If PJ is only producing - wasn't there rumors of Raimi as director?

[sshuttari]

oh thank you New Line!!!

Oh man not only are we getting one but 2 hobbit films. I'm sure what's going to happen is the book is going to be split into 2 movies.

I am so pumped!!

[Tolkien]

I agree. This discussion is TOO BIG for one thread. We need our Franchise forum opened! PLEASE CS! PLEASE, PLEASE THE FANS!

[Sock-Man]

I'm sure what's going to happen is the book is going to be split into 2 movies.

I thought the second was gonna act as a bridge between Hobbit and LOTR about Gandalf's adventures during the happenings of the Hobbit.
Unless they incorporate that into the story to pad it out for 2 films worth.

Good news anyway.
Though Jackson not directing is depressing. Especially if Raimi gets the gig.

[Tolkien]

oh thank you New Line!!!

Oh man not only are we getting one but 2 hobbit films. I'm sure what's going to happen is the book is going to be split into 2 movies.

I am so pumped!!

If that be the case, do you have any idea how much material they'll be able to transfer over from the book to the movie? My god, this is what I was born for, this is the madness that I almost lost my mind over too. I might have to get myself banned when the release date looms so I don't commit online suicide, lmmfao.

[Ramplate]

yup another article

Peter Jackson to produce `The Hobbit' By JAKE COYLE, AP Entertainment Writer
1 hour, 35 minutes ago



NEW YORK - Peter Jackson and New Line Cinema have reached agreement to make J.R.R. Tolkien's "The Hobbit," a planned prequel to the blockbuster trilogy "The Lord of the Rings."

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Jackson, who directed the "Rings" trilogy, will serve as executive producer for "The Hobbit." A director for the prequel films has yet to be named.

Relations between Jackson and New Line had soured after "Rings," despite a collective worldwide box office gross of nearly $3 billion — an enormous success. The two sides nevertheless were able to reconcile, with Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer Studios (MGM) splitting "The Hobbit" 50/50, spokemen for both studios said Tuesday.

"I'm very pleased that we've been able to put our differences behind us, so that we may begin a new chapter with our old friends at New Line," Jackson said in a statement. "We are delighted to continue our journey through Middle Earth."

Two "Hobbit" films are scheduled to be shot simultaneously, similar to how the three "Lord of the Rings" films were made. Production is set to begin in 2009 with a released planned for 2010, with the sequel scheduled for a 2011 release.

New Line Cinema is owned by Time Warner. Sony and Comcast are among the owners of MGM.

(ADDS detail, quotes, background. SUBS overline to CORRECT that Jackson will produce, sted direct, films.)

[Doomsday]

If PJ is only producing - wasn't there rumors of Raimi as director?

If Raimi is directing, then definitely count me out. I'm still pulling for PJ, I don't know why they'd want to go with anyone else.

[Dogbert0228]

Anyone else up for a new "Hobbit" franchise thread?

[Sock-Man]

Anyone else up for a new "Hobbit" franchise thread?

Yes, simply because this threads going to become so busy it'll be impossible to keep up with everything being discussed.

[Doomsday]

Well they might wait until it actually goes into production with cast and filming announcements. Besides, it's not going to be as busy as the LOTR forum because there was a lot to discuss, like a Hobbit movie for instance. I'm thinking the admin will probably wait until things are a little further down the road.

[PsYkOoOoO]

Is it April fools? Did I just roll out of bed into an alternate universe?

Best motherf-ing news in forever! It is about damn time. I don't care about two movies. I don't care thaT PJ is only executive producer. All that matters is that PJ is making The Hobbit, finally. Thank you MGM, New Line, and PJ. Let's hope this news doesn't give Ian McKellan or Ian Holm a heart attack of joy.

WE NEED THE HOBBIT THREAD OPENED IN "FRANCHISES" AT ONCE; A RETURN TO THE CS! BOARDS' GLORY DAYS OF THE LOTR FORUM! (Two movies!)

http://www.corey-butler.com/Bag_End_Hi.jpg

Ah, the LOTR forum days, the good old days.

I miss them.

How come Bilbo has the picture of Frodo and ARWEN on top of his mantlepiece?

[sshuttari]

I hope they don't get Raimi I simply don't think he can live up to the task.

Honestly Spider-Man franchise is not as great as a lot of people makes it out to be.

Jackson knows what he's doing and if he decides to pick a director he's going to go with someone that can bring his vision of The Lord of the Rings trilogy to the Hobbit.

[FranklinTard]

hope its a nobody who directs, and its basically PJ looking over the new kids shoulders...

[Tolkien]

That would be nice. I still don't understand why he doesn't want to direct...

[FVD]

Well that's fantastic news. I'm glad PJ and New Line finally settled too. Ian McKellen will be returning for sure. :D

I don't think we need Liv Tyler making a cameo as she'd be likely to be staying with her Grandmother Galadriel in Lothlorien anyhoo. But I do want Orlando Bloom to make a return as Legolas could easily take part in the Battle of the Five Armies.

Oh I'm so pumped with excitement. I love John Howe's design of Beorn too. Hope that'll be the Beorn we'll see in the film.

http://www.valinor.com.br/galeria/albums/userpics/10004/normal_062-Beorn-port.jpg

[DarthVader 2004]

Anyone else up for a new "Hobbit" franchise thread?

Well since The Hobbit is a prequel to LOTR trilogy The Rings/Hobbit section should be automatically put back up in franchise forums.

[DarthVader 2004]

Who should voice Smaug.Id say Andy Serkis but he be doing Riddles In The Dark. with Bilbo so i say ask Mr Lee To Voice Smaug or get James Earle Jones, Un Retire Connery but get someone great as Ian McKellan.
I know Ian McShane or Brian Cox.

[Ramplate]

That would be nice. I still don't understand why he doesn't want to direct...

Producers are higher up the food chain and they don't have to work the insane hours a director does.

[DarthVader 2004]

If anyone thinks PJ won't be around set alot. He be likely producing like George Lucas just is prodcuing Indy Or The Empire Strikes back.

[Tolkien]

Well that's fantastic news. I'm glad PJ and New Line finally settled too. Ian McKellen will be returning for sure. :D

I don't think we need Liv Tyler making a cameo as she'd be likely to be staying with her Grandmother Galadriel in Lothlorien anyhoo. But I do want Orlando Bloom to make a return as Legolas could easily take part in the Battle of the Five Armies.

Oh I'm so pumped with excitement. I love John Howe's design of Beorn too. Hope that'll be the Beorn we'll see in the film.

http://www.valinor.com.br/galeria/albums/userpics/10004/normal_062-Beorn-port.jpg

I would DIE if they ever recasted Legolas! Orlando Bloom is Legolas, end of story. So yes, he better return. :D Liv Tyler would be nice to see, but we'll just have to wait and see what makes the film and what doesn't If this sequel is in fact the Hobbit split in two, then there is a lot that will be able to be transfered into film here. Hearing that the Battle of the Five Armies may be transfered into film is just killing me here. Seriously, my heart could stop at any moment here... lol.

[kfizz]

I cant remember who the human was that helped them. Was it Aragorn sorry if miss spelled it. I know he was alive then since he has a long life and is over 100 years old. I could be wrong on all that thou so please correct me if im wrong.

[Ramplate]

I would DIE if they ever recasted Legolas! Orlando Bloom is Legolas, end of story. So yes, he better return. :D Liv Tyler would be nice to see, but we'll just have to wait and see what makes the film and what doesn't If this sequel is in fact the Hobbit split in two, then there is a lot that will be able to be transfered into film here. Hearing that the Battle of the Five Armies may be transfered into film is just killing me here. Seriously, my heart could stop at any moment here... lol.

Legolas was not really in The Hobbit.
The only characters that really make appearances in both are Gandalf, Gollum, Elrond, and Bilbo

[FVD]

^ That may be true but then again while there has been no proof that Legolas never featured in the book, it still wouldn't hurt to add him to the film.

[Ramplate]

^ That may be true but then again while there has been no proof that Legolas never featured in the book, it still wouldn't hurt to add him to the film.

Legolas was introduced in The Fellowship of the Ring, at the council of Elrond of Rivendell, where he came as a messenger from his father to discuss the escape of Gollum from their guard. -- Wiki

Putting him in The Hobbit would be like the Jurassic Park folow up with Attenborough and the two kids walking on waving and walking off in throw away roles just for continuity.

he was doing something else at the time - otherwise the whole ring business would not have escaped his memory for the meeting at Rivendel

[kfizz]

But who was the human that helped them fight the dragon.

[Ramplate]

But who was the human that helped them fight the dragon.

Bard the Bowman would be my guess as to who you mean - he's the one who shot the arrow to the soft spot on Smaug

[UnicornBlood3]

This is amazing news! :)

[DarthVader 2004]

I think Christian Bale would be a great Bard if they had to cats anyone. Thye say its a Small part but he kills Smaug so should be given to by a good Actor.

Christian Bale, Danial Craig or Russell Crowe aremy 3 choices.

[kfizz]

I was watching the old cartoon and i cant get past the sining. I hope the dwarfs are more bad ass then that.

[sshuttari]

Do you guys think Elrond is going to make a small appearance in the film, or are they going to give him a bigger role?

[Ramplate]

Singing was a big part in the realms - that's how tales are retold.
There wasn't much of that in LotR and I'm kind of glad for it - so I don't suspect there will be a lot in this one - i never liked Orson Bean that much anyway - even though he was born in my state :D

[LOTRNUT04]

If Raimi is directing, then definitely count me out. I'm still pulling for PJ, I don't know why they'd want to go with anyone else.
I'm certainly not saying, "count me out," but I would be a tad disappointed if Raimi was directing; I'm also still pulling for PJ to direct.

[DarthVader 2004]

Do you guys think Elrond is going to make a small appearance in the film, or are they going to give him a bigger role?

Well Elrond helps Bilbo discover the ruins on Thorins map and names the goblin Swords found in the Troll cave for Thorin and Gandalf. I would say he can have a desent part in one area.

[JBond]

Am I crazy or was there only one Hobbit book?

[IanTheCool]

Am I crazy or was there only one Hobbit book?

yes there was only one. lord of the rings was supposed to be its sequel

[PsYkOoOoO]

I can't wait to see a whole army of dwarves kick some major butts.

[Darth Barth]

This is the best news!!!

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I am a happy camper right now...

[King_of_Skid_Row]

^I can tell. LOL

This is great news. I loved the LotR trilogy so I'm definitely going to be keeping a close eye on the production of this film.

[Necross]

Two movies, I think its awesome, that means they'll most likely do everything in the book of course. This is such great news! I'm so excited!

[Ramplate]

yeah I like the idea that the detail will be there

[Fanible]

Well... can almost guarantee they'll be finding someone new to play Bilbo. And Peter Jackson has said despite not totally accurate, he wanted to fit in Aragorn somehow. If taking it upon themselves that kind of creative control, it wouldn't surprise me to see Legolas make some kind of cameo either. I'm not sure how I feel about all that though.

[King_of_Skid_Row]

Well, I haven't read the Hobbit in a while but wasn't there a human hero character in the book besides Gandalf? I wonder if they will put Aragorn in his place.

[Tolkien]

It's been years since I've read the Hobbit. I have to go back and take the time to read it again. And about what I said earlier, now that I remember more of the book, Legolas wasn't in it, was he? Aragorn wasn't either. It might be weird to see them in it, but if they can do it respectively, I'm all for it. I really just have to shut my mouth and go back to read it again...

[FVD]

I think Christian Bale would be a great Bard if they had to cats anyone. Thye say its a Small part but he kills Smaug so should be given to by a good Actor.

Christian Bale, Daniel Craig or Russell Crowe aremy 3 choices.

Not bad choices there. I'm kinda leaning towards Clive Owen actually.

[DarthVader 2004]

Yeah Clive is ok but Bale seems liked hit fit into middle earth better.
Whos knows maybe Hugh Jackman will be Bard not likely but what a surpise that would be to get Bale, Owen or Jackman as Bard.

[sshuttari]

PJ is not going to pick big A listers for the movie.

We know this because he even said it himself he didn't want to pick big hollywood stars for Lord of the Rings and King Kong.

Knowing that, I doubt he's changed his mind and going to get someone well known for Bard.

[DarthVader 2004]

True but his casting has always worked before. I suppose Viggo, Ian McKellan, Christopher Lee, Cate Blanchett, or Sean Astin or Elijah wood were no budies. I know what you mean but these people were know before hand.
Also for King Kong, Naomi and Adrian were not unknown people.
Bard will likely be a known but not a juggarnaut so in a way i guess your kinda right.

[IanTheCool]

Well... can almost guarantee they'll be finding someone new to play Bilbo. And Peter Jackson has said despite not totally accurate, he wanted to fit in Aragorn somehow. If taking it upon themselves that kind of creative control, it wouldn't surprise me to see Legolas make some kind of cameo either. I'm not sure how I feel about all that though.

well, legolas would make a little more sense as the dwarves actually go to his home and meet with his father. they could easily through him in.
aragorn though.....

[Ramplate]

I dunno - IMO it would go against the grain to blow that much detail to put someone in who was definitely not there - but then again - Jackson could blame the director :D

[André]

Just a note to the earlier discussion about Legolas. He's going to be in it. Regardless of my opinion of it (which is not what im talking about), New Line knows Legolas sells tickets. Its easy to give him a small role.

Say, the White council for instance. Wasnt that in Mirkwood? Anyway, my point is, its not hard for the writers to write him in, hence they will do it. Wait and see ;)

[Ramplate]

from the Encyclopedia of Arda:
LEGOLAS

The son of Thranduil, and so a prince of the Woodland Realm in the northeast of Mirkwood, Legolas was descended from the Sindar, but counted himself one of the Silvan people. The date of his birth is not known, but he seems to have been several thousand years old at the time of the War of the Ring. Of his life before the end of the Third Age, we know almost nothing. During Bilbo's adventures on his journey to Erebor, he spent several weeks in Thranduil's halls, and later encountered the entire army of the Wood-elves. It seems more than likely, then, that he would have encountered Legolas at this time, but if the two ever met, the fact is nowhere recorded.

Yeah it's possible I suppose - he had some past history with Gimli in there somewhere - but exactly when is never told

Aragorn Elessar

Heir of Isildur through thirty-nine generations, Chieftain of the Dúnedain of the North and, after the War of the Ring, King of the Reunited Kingdom of Arnor and Gondor. Called by Gandalf 'the greatest traveller and huntsman in this age of the world', Aragorn experienced many great adventures, and travelled to many distant lands, before claiming his kingship.

Born the heir of Chieftain Arathorn II of the Northern Dúnedain, Aragorn lost his father to the Orcs in only his second year. His mother Gilraen took him to Rivendell, where he was fostered by Elrond. In Rivendell his identity was concealed, and he was known only by the name 'Estel' throughout his childhood years. It was only at the age of twenty that Elrond revealed to him his true ancestry, and gave him two tokens of his station as Heir of Isildur: the Ring of Barahir and the Shards of Narsil. It was at this time, too, that he first met Arwen.

After discovering his true calling, Aragorn took his leave of Elrond and travelled the wilds of Middle-earth. Soon after, he met Gandalf, and the two developed a close friendship and alliance. He then began a series of great ventures throughout Middle-earth. In the southern lands, he served both Thengel of Rohan and Ecthelion II of Gondor, though again he adopted an alias, calling himself 'Thorongil'. After a great victory over the Corsairs of Umbar, he left Gondor's service, and travelled away into the east.

At last his travels brought him to Lórien, where he met again with Arwen. They declared their love for one another on the green mound of Cerin Amroth, and Aragorn gave the Ring of Barahir, ancient heirloom of his house, to Arwen. News of this dismayed Elrond, as he warned Aragorn when he returned to Rivendell. At this time his mother Gilraen departed from the House of Elrond, and she died soon afterwards.

In the following years he fell in with Gandalf again. Years before, while Aragorn was still a child, Gandalf had learned of a creature named Gollum who had owned the Great Ring that later came to Bilbo Baggins. Aragorn agreed to hunt for Gollum, and found him at last among the Dead Marshes on the borders of Mordor. From there he transported him northward through the wilds of Middle-earth until he came to the realm of Thranduil in the north of Mirkwood, where Gollum was imprisoned and questioned by Gandalf. So began Aragorn's direct involvement in the events of the War of the Ring.

Safe to say Aragorn was quite busy

[badgonegood]

Question..... why the F would Goku be in school ???

[PsYkOoOoO]

Question..... why the F would Goku be in school ???

Wrong thread.

[Ramplate]

had me puzzled for a while :D

[sshuttari]

dangggg peter jackson got paid 250 million dollars for the lord of the rings trilogy.

That's a lot of dough.

[Tolkien]

Yeah Clive is ok but Bale seems liked hit fit into middle earth better.
Whos knows maybe Hugh Jackman will be Bard not likely but what a surpise that would be to get Bale, Owen or Jackman as Bard.

Even though Bale might fit the part of Bard better then Clive, it will be unlikely for him to end up with the part even if he is considered, seeing as how he's so far, dedicated to his work on the Batman franchise with Nolan. All in all, I wouldn't mind seeing an unknown or at least a lesser known person play the part.

[kfizz]

I was watching the cartoon the 1977 one i could not get past the singing. I watch it to get what the story was but i guess its kinda off since its not as close as it could be to the book. Plus its really outdated cartoon.

[Doomsday]

I think I'm seeing people jumping on the Christian Bale bandwagon, the same way people said Russell Crowe, Russell Crowe back in the Gladiator/Beautiful Mind days when talking about literally every single role in any upcoming movie.

[Sock-Man]

^ I sort of agree.
While I like Christian Bale, I'm not really sure why he's an obvious choice for Bard the Bowman.

[Tolkien]

I think I'm seeing people jumping on the Christian Bale bandwagon, the same way people said Russell Crowe, Russell Crowe back in the Gladiator/Beautiful Mind days when talking about literally every single role in any upcoming movie.

No, no, I'm not. I just replied to the fact that Bale was a short subject. It's soooooooo early right now that all we're going to be doing here is discussing our thoughts on what our fantasy minds want to see play these characters. So, until the official cast is picked, we're going to go wild and crazy here picking out our own favorites.

[Doomsday]

Well as long as I don't hear Russell Crowe, I think I'll be ok. ;)

[Sock-Man]

http://www.comingsoon.net/news/hobbitnews.php?id=40333

Jackson is Not Directing the Hobbit Films
Source: Entertainment Weekly
December 19, 2007


Since the big announcement yesterday that Peter Jackson and Fran Walsh will serve as Executive Producers of two films based on "The Hobbit" for New Line and MGM, fans and Hollywood have wondered if Jackson will direct the films as well. According to Entertainment Weekly, he is not because fans would have to wait a long time for his schedule to clear up:

While MGM and New Line want to keep Jackson's involvement in the film as broad as possible, hinting that he may take up both writing and directing responsibilities, Jackson's manager Ken Kamins told Hollywood Insider that Jackson won't be directing the films. "Peter won't be directing because he felt the fans have waited long enough for The Hobbit. It will take the better part of every day of the next four years to write, direct and produce two Hobbit films. Given his current obligations to both The Lovely Bones and Tintin, waiting for Peter, Fran, and Phillippa to write, direct and produce The Hobbit would require the fans wait even longer."

So who will direct? Sam Raimi ("Spider-Man" films), Guillermo del Toro ("Hellboy" films) and Alfonso Cuaron (Children of Men) are names that have come up, but no decision has been made, says New Line's co-chair Robert Shaye. "There is obviously a small but significant number of directors who could handle two films of this magnitude, but we have no commitment to anybody. Now that Peter is an integral part of the decision-making process, we all have to see eye-to-eye on any candidate we try to enlist."

The creative powers are expected to start planning the films in early 2008.

[DangerMouse]

Del Toro would absolutely kick butt if he directed this..but two movies? I would think there's enough for one 3 hour movie, not two seperate movies.

[King_of_Skid_Row]

No Del Toro. This isn't his style. He should do Harry Potter 7. Cuaron or Raimi would be the better choices for this type of fantasy movie.

[IanTheCool]

Del Toro would absolutely kick butt if he directed this..but two movies? I would think there's enough for one 3 hour movie, not two seperate movies.

he really wouldnt match the mood needed for tolkien

[IanTheCool]

I think I'm seeing people jumping on the Christian Bale bandwagon, the same way people said Russell Crowe, Russell Crowe back in the Gladiator/Beautiful Mind days when talking about literally every single role in any upcoming movie.

how about colin farrell?

[SouthsideX300]

I hope Sam Raimi directs this.

[DarthVader 2004]

I wonder if Gore Verninski would work with Jackson or Steven Speilberg.

[Ramplate]

anyone but - Joel Schumaker :D no nipples on Smaug :D

[sshuttari]

get a unknown director I say.

[King_of_Skid_Row]

^No. No. No unknown director. I'd let Viggo Mortenson direct before going that route.

[Ramplate]

definitely

[Nerall]

Jackson's manager Ken Kamins told Hollywood Insider that Jackson won't be directing the films. "Peter won't be directing because he felt the fans have waited long enough for The Hobbit. It will take the better part of every day of the next four years to write, direct and produce two Hobbit films. Given his current obligations to both The Lovely Bones and Tintin, waiting for Peter, Fran, and Phillippa to write, direct and produce The Hobbit would require the fans wait even longer."


I'll wait

[Tolkien]

Why are people keep saying Raimi? The guy isn't right for this type of epic film. I hate to tell the loyal Spider-Man fans, but Spider-Man 1, 2 and 3 were NOT in any way epic. They were amazing, and remarkable... But in no way epic. Put the wrong director in charge of an epic production and you'll end up releasing Uwe Boll's Dungeon Siege.

[Nerall]

I can't subscribe to the idea that Raimi wouldn't do a good job. I'm no Spider-Man fanboy but I think he did a good job with the first two - the third seemed rushed. In any event, the knowledge that Jackson will have the say in who it is that will direct and write this (man I wish Boyens was writing) calms me to the point that whomever it is will be the right choice.

[PsYkOoOoO]

Jackson's manager Ken Kamins told Hollywood Insider that Jackson won't be directing the films. "Peter won't be directing because he felt the fans have waited long enough for The Hobbit. It will take the better part of every day of the next four years to write, direct and produce two Hobbit films. Given his current obligations to both The Lovely Bones and Tintin, waiting for Peter, Fran, and Phillippa to write, direct and produce The Hobbit would require the fans wait even longer."


I'll wait

If it comes down to waiting for Raimi to make the films in three years or Jackson to make the film in six years, I'd wait for the latter.

Like everyone has mentioned, I don't see Sam Raimi being able to helm something of this scope. I never liked any of the Spiderman movies to be honest, I thought they were just a little silly to begin with. I suppose, to handle a movie such as The Hobbit, you really need to have a decent amount of respect for the source material before doing anything drastic to the story. Not to say that Sam Raimi doesn't have the respect, it's just that I can totally see him turning this movie into a summer blockbuster with just an empty shell.

In defense of Sam Raimi though, Peter Jackson started out on LOTR with equally little credentials as well. I mean, The Frighteners? It's not the most flattering resume, I'd say. But he pulled it off as well, so who knows?

[Boro]

I'd rather have Jackson back, but if not I'd love to see what Guillermo Del Toro or Cuaron could do with it.

[Ramplate]

Yeah I like the Spider-man movies, but this is different altogether - I'd hate to see Ted Raimi (Joxer) and Lucy Lawless (Xena) - or even Bruce Campbell cameos stuffed in there for this one ;)
Nepotism is rampant in his movies

[Tolkien]

I'd die if Ted Raimi poped up on-screen, lmmfao. But Lucy in a LOTR film?

Can she wear a similar to Xena outfit? If she does, she can make a cameo.

[Diablo]

Russell Crowe should direct


oooooo, how'd you like that twist Dooms? :P

[sshuttari]

^No. No. No unknown director. I'd let Viggo Mortenson direct before going that route.

The reason I want a not so well known director is because if we get someone who's well known they'll have an ego and try to make it there own. That won't work we need someone who's going to stay true to what PJ's vision was of Lord of the Rings.

[kfizz]

If it comes down to waiting for Raimi to make the films in three years or Jackson to make the film in six years, I'd wait for the latter.

Like everyone has mentioned, I don't see Sam Raimi being able to helm something of this scope. I never liked any of the Spiderman movies to be honest, I thought they were just a little silly to begin with. I suppose, to handle a movie such as The Hobbit, you really need to have a decent amount of respect for the source material before doing anything drastic to the story. Not to say that Sam Raimi doesn't have the respect, it's just that I can totally see him turning this movie into a summer blockbuster with just an empty shell.

In defense of Sam Raimi though, Peter Jackson started out on LOTR with equally little credentials as well. I mean, The Frighteners? It's not the most flattering resume, I'd say. But he pulled it off as well, so who knows?
I found a quote in a news story saying he would not do it sam raimi. Its at the bottom of this page.
http://www.latinoreview.com/news/sam-raimi-to-go-to-hell-and-then-to-middle-earth-3545

[Boro]

That article says that Jackson won't be directing, not Raimi.

[donny]

If it comes down to waiting for Raimi to make the films in three years or Jackson to make the film in six years, I'd wait for the latter.

Like everyone has mentioned, I don't see Sam Raimi being able to helm something of this scope. I never liked any of the Spiderman movies to be honest, I thought they were just a little silly to begin with. I suppose, to handle a movie such as The Hobbit, you really need to have a decent amount of respect for the source material before doing anything drastic to the story. Not to say that Sam Raimi doesn't have the respect, it's just that I can totally see him turning this movie into a summer blockbuster with just an empty shell.

In defense of Sam Raimi though, Peter Jackson started out on LOTR with equally little credentials as well. I mean, The Frighteners? It's not the most flattering resume, I'd say. But he pulled it off as well, so who knows?

I agree with most people saying this might not suit Raimi, but where I disagree is that, if he did get chosen to direct this movie, that he would turn it into some big summer blockbuster filled with action and special effects. I liked what he has done with the Spider-Man series (spidey 3 not as much, but its not as bad as its made out to be) and I always felt they were more then just big effects and all action. I'm not saying they are classic films by any means, but in my opinion, he gave 2 good films with a rock solid story. It was simple idea, but worked well. I also believe he gave us good character deveolpment throughout the whole series. Many may disagree, but thats the way I feel. So, I guess all I am saying is that Raimi knows how to make a good movie with a story that works. So, if we were chosen to do these films, I would have faith. Like I said, there are better choices out there, and he probably could not do as well as PJ has, but it wouldn't be the end of the world. Trust me, there are far worse choices for a director then Sam Raimi. But like I said, it's one man's opinion

[DarthVader 2004]

Ian McKellan or Christopher Lee would be the best Actors to direct The Hobbit.
Sean Astin has dabbled in directing. Peopl are forgetting Terry Guilliam who would be great.
Kevin Reynolds from Robin Hood Prince Of Theives. Deltoro and Couron are food choices and Burton but why can't a vet Director not work as well.
Trust me i am sure The Hobbit will have PJ's involvement like George Lucas was involve din Indiana Jones trilogy, Stars Wars episodes 5, and 6

[Tolkien]

Why does it always have to be the same group of "A" list directors? Why can't we choose different people? I'm hearing the same group of names dropped in every post that discusses directors. I'm not saying that we can't come up with new or at least different names, but we're just naming the same people.

[DarthVader 2004]

I am not saying i think it should be Deltoro or Tim Burton for Jacksons world in LOTR is dark but not too weird. I have 10 directors not given as choices by people resently.

1 Kevin Reynolds .

2 Andrew Adamson.

3 Ron Howard.

4 Jon Turtletaub.

5 Gore Verbinski.

6 Chris Nolan.

7 Mike Newell.

8 Bryan Singer.

9 Edward Zwick.

[Brock Landers]

Well, if Jackson can't do it, I like the idea of Cuaron. That would actually be kind of cool.

[Ramplate]

after reading this article - I'm not so sure we need the second movie - I think that may have been added just to sweeten the deal for both sides.

'The Hobbit' is a go with Peter Jackson
Dec 18, 2007, 08:11 PM | by Nicole Sperling

Categories: Movie Biz, The Hobbit

It's back to Middle Earth for Peter Jackson, Fran Walsh, and the boys from New Line. Finally, the years of disputes have ended, and the partners (including co-producer and co-distributor MGM) are gearing up for two new Hobbit movies. EW investigated, talking to the parties behind the negotiations to uncover how everything got resolved, and to get an idea of what viewers can expect of these adaptations of J.R.R. Tolkien's original literary masterpiece. Here's the lowdown:

Jackson and his life/creative partner Walsh have always envisioned the big-screen adaptation of The Hobbit as two movies. The first would deal with the 80-year old novel. The second, imagined entirely by Jackson and Walsh, would link the conclusion of The Hobbit to the start of the first Lord of the Rings book, The Fellowship of the Ring. New Line and Jackson will develop the properties over the next year with hopes of entering into pre-production by 2009 for a 2010 and 2011 release. No writers, including Jackson, Walsh, and their longtime partner Philippa Boyens, have been commissioned. (None can be, because of the strike.)

New Line has already decided that both films will be produced at the same time, in similar fashion to how the LOTR trilogy was put together, and no budgets have been assigned the films yet. According to New Line's co-chair Robert Shaye, "You can't budget an idea."

While MGM and New Line want to keep Jackson's involvement in the film as broad as possible, hinting that he may take up both writing and directing responsibilities, Jackson's manager Ken Kamins told Hollywood Insider that Jackson won't be directing the films. "Peter won't be directing because he felt the fans have waited long enough for The Hobbit. It will take the better part of every day of the next four
years to write, direct and produce two Hobbit films. Given his current obligations to both The Lovely Bones and Tintin, waiting for Peter, Fran, and Phillippa to write, direct and produce The Hobbit would
require the fans wait even longer."

Directors Sam Raimi (Spider-Man), Guillermo del Toro (Pan's Labyrinth), and Alfonso Cuaron (Children of Men) are still the names that come up as alternate possiblities, but no official creative decision has been made.

"There is obviously a small but significant number of directors who could handle two films of this magnitude, but we have no commitment to anybody," Shaye said. "Now that Peter is an integral part of the decision-making process, we all have to see eye-to-eye on any candidate we try to enlist."

Those creative pow-wows are set to begin in early 2008 when New Line plans to sit down with Jackson to hash out critical details. (Jackson will be filming The Lovely Bones through February.)

Neither Jackson’s rep nor New Line will explain how the nasty battle between the two parties got resolved. The fight hit a low point in November 2006 when New Line actually "fired" Jackson from The Hobbit and Jackson took the battle to the LOTR fansite TheOneRing.net, where he posted, “New Line would no longer be requiring our services on The Hobbit.” New Line’s Shaye now calls it, “a misunderstanding that wound up becoming a mini-war.” The two parties began negotiating this June, but it seems MGM’s Harry Sloan served a significant role as a mediator between the two sides.

According to New Line's co-chair Michael Lynne, "Harry served in a mediating function and at a certain sensitive moment he was very helpful." The New Line co-chairs do attest that once Sloan got involved,
the studio was already well down the path of negotiating with Jackson. But Jackson's rep Kamins adds, "Harry, acting in the appropriate self-interest for MGM, used the fact that he owned a piece of the rights to be helpful to both sides in this converstaion. I really credit Harry greatly."

Shaye and company regret how acrimonious things became with Jackson. (In January, Shaye told Sci-Fi Wire website, "I don't care about Peter Jackson anymore. He thinks we owe him something after we've paid him over a quarter of a billion dollars!")

"From my side, I just regret that it happened," said Shaye. "It was a total misunderstanding about what anybody had to gain or lose. I'm extremely glad that the bad blood was just a little infection and not
really a disabling malady."

New Line is quick to point out that The Hobbit resolution is in no way a reaction to disappointing domestic box office numbers for their most recent release, The Golden Compass, which they had hoped would launch a new franchise. "Absolutely not," said Lynne. "This has been in the works for a while now. Golden Compass, by the way, overseas, is performing spectacularly. Obviously, we have been disappointed with its performance here, but I think overall it will do quite well."

Regardless of Compass' performance, the studio now has a new, sure-fire hit to get underway. And even though the lawsuits are settled and the fences are mended, there are still numerous hurdles between this announcement and fans sitting in the theater watching Bilbo Baggins help 13 dwarves reclaim their treasure. First, there is the nasty writer's strike that trudges on; and second, the project's visionary
writer/director/producer has a lot of other projects on his plate. Surely, though, this triumph deserves a little celebration. Will Jackson be planning a bender back in New Zealand?

According to Kamins, not even close. "I haven't even talked to Peter," he said, laughing. "He just got home from Pennsylvania, (where Lovely Bones is filming) last night."

[IanTheCool]

The reason I want a not so well known director is because if we get someone who's well known they'll have an ego and try to make it there own. That won't work we need someone who's going to stay true to what PJ's vision was of Lord of the Rings.

thats the cleverest thing ive heard all day.
mind you i did just wake up.

[IanTheCool]

Ian McKellan or Christopher Lee would be the best Actors to direct The Hobbit.
Sean Astin has dabbled in directing. Peopl are forgetting Terry Guilliam who would be great.
Kevin Reynolds from Robin Hood Prince Of Theives. Deltoro and Couron are food choices and Burton but why can't a vet Director not work as well.
Trust me i am sure The Hobbit will have PJ's involvement like George Lucas was involve din Indiana Jones trilogy, Stars Wars episodes 5, and 6

oh no, not burton! he would be the worst choice! he would make everything crazy and wacky and 'artistically' dark and the entire atmosphere of tolkiens work would be completely evaporated.

[IanTheCool]

after reading this article - I'm not so sure we need the second movie - I think that may have been added just to sweeten the deal for both sides.

The first would deal with the 80-year old novel. The second, imagined entirely by Jackson and Walsh, would link the conclusion of The Hobbit to the start of the first Lord of the Rings book, The Fellowship of the Ring.

why? if one is on the book, why make up a totally different movie?you know its not gonna work when all your going with is a few notes from tolkien at the back of ROTK and a few other places. yeesh.

[Ramplate]

um ... see that button next to Quote? that's a multi quote just so you know you don't have to quote each seperately :D

thats the cleverest thing ive heard all day.
mind you i did just wake up.

oh no, not burton! he would be the worst choice! he would make everything crazy and wacky and 'artistically' dark and the entire atmosphere of tolkiens work would be completely evaporated.

why? if one is on the book, why make up a totally different movie?you know its not gonna work when all your going with is a few notes from tolkien at the back of ROTK and a few other places. yeesh.

Just hit quote on the last one and you're all set :)

[Fanible]

^ What he said. =P

[DarthVader 2004]

Well my figuring is it can be done cause you can do the Aragorn part and how he meets Gandalf and just setting up the entro is not so hard once you have clarvoince to the world that is middle earth. Doesn't mean its all fiction based on Jackson notes can be used means something grand could come of it . The notes and middle earth back story can be used to fill voids.
It be cool to see Sarumans being taken by Saurons lies and Bilbos further deteration.

[Tolkien]

um ... see that button next to Quote? that's a multi quote just so you know you don't have to quote each seperately :D







Just hit quote on the last one and you're all set :)

THAAAAAT'S WHAT IT'S FOR!!! :P

[IanTheCool]

sorry :( :(

[Tolkien]

No worries...

Back on topic... If this be the case with that second film... What will it's run-time be? I mean, unless they plan to make up a whole load of material for this film, there's not a lot of information to go by.

[sshuttari]

so were on an agreement to not have a known director ;)

[kfizz]

I think Riddley Scott should do it. He is pretty good at fantasy.

[Tolkien]

so were on an agreement to not have a known director ;)

Never gonna let down are ya? ;)

[DarthVader 2004]

How about the 2 brothers who are making Alien v/s Predator 2. Anyways my feeling is that from what i hear it is up to Jackson who they will get. There saying he has final say.
Shaye and Sloan are leaving director casting to PJ and my guess is Fran and Phillipa will be the writers and maybe a new 3rd one but PJ will handle production and effects aspects and casting.

[Tolkien]

This strike needs to end soon so they can make it official and contract them before too long.

[Sock-Man]

Kevin Reynolds from Robin Hood Prince Of Theives.

How about the 2 brothers who are making Alien v/s Predator 2.

They're both pretty terrible choices imo.
Prince of Thieves was entertaining but a serious cheese-fest and very whimsical in the way it dealt with any historical aspect.
And they guys from AvP2... They've made alot of promises about how awesome and back to original form their movie's gonna be, but as far as I'm aware, there's no serious proof that it's actually any good at all, and at the end of the day, they're effects people, not directors.

[DarthVader 2004]

Well i want Gore Verbinski to direct over Raimi but no one wants that either. I really don't think the Strause brothers are really ideal i was just messing around.

[Ramplate]

how about the Coen Brothers? (I'm joking of course) :D
How FUBARed would that be?

[sshuttari]

I think I should direct :P

[Brock Landers]

I really hate the idea of two films. Why? There doesn't need to be a connecting film, just one that ties to Lord of the Rings since, you know, they do anyways.

[sshuttari]

I really hate the idea of two films. Why? There doesn't need to be a connecting film, just one that ties to Lord of the Rings since, you know, they do anyways.

yea... but it's all about money in the end.

[Brock Landers]

yea... but it's all about money in the end.

Of course. But I can still call Peter Jackson a tard.

[IanTheCool]

i'd be up for McG to direct. anyone else?

[DarthVader 2004]

McG please no. I hate to say this but most popualr American Actors wouldn't work. Except For Gore Verbinski, Tim Burton ,Sam Raimi or Chris Nolan.

[FVD]

I'd suggest Matthew Wood after an amazing job he did with Stardust though he'd be concentrating on Thor, which is due for a 2009 release. Would he have time to helm the Hobbit right after seeing as it's due the following year?

[sshuttari]

If they get anyone it should be Chris Nolan. No matter what the final product or how different it is from the Lord of the Rings movies. You would still like the movie at the end of the day.

Cause he is that damn good.

[DarthVader 2004]

I'd suggest Matthew Wood after an amazing job he did with Stardust though he'd be concentrating on Thor, which is due for a 2009 release. Would he have time to helm the Hobbit right after seeing as it's due the following year?

Its Matthew Vaughn i believe and i was thinking he be good and too bad he didn't stick with X-Men 3.

[PsYkOoOoO]

I really hate the idea of two films. Why? There doesn't need to be a connecting film, just one that ties to Lord of the Rings since, you know, they do anyways.

I think a slight connection would be really cool. Like, the last scene would be Frodo leaving the house to read a book under the tree, Gandalf getting onto the cart to drive to Hobbiton, stuff like that. To make it as seamless as possible between The Hobbit and FOTR, I like that idea.

[IanTheCool]

McG please no. I hate to say this but most popualr American Actors wouldn't work. Except For Gore Verbinski, Tim Burton ,Sam Raimi or Chris Nolan.

lol wow, sarcasm really doesnt work over the internet, does it?

[Tolkien]

For some people, you have to use emotions and quotations as well.

Otherwise they'll just think you're being serious and hound you for it.

lmao.

[FVD]

Its Matthew Vaughn i believe and i was thinking he be good and too bad he didn't stick with X-Men 3.

Ah that's right. Vaughn not Wood. Where did I get Wood from anyway? :redface:

And I agree he would have done a better job on X3 than frakkin' Ratner. :nono:

[Bales]

Why do u make a movie from a really boring book

[PsYkOoOoO]

Why do u make a movie from a really boring book

Well, I think you stand alone in that my friend.

[FVD]

Why do u make a movie from a really boring book

The same answer can be said after many other books out there. And I too think you stand alone on that one. This is obviously a book that is in dire need of a faithful adaptation and you know it. :nono:

[Wildfire]

Why do u make a movie from a really boring book

Hummm boring ...duh!!
There probably more action in The Hobbit than most fantasy books
and it ends with a battle thats the equal of anything in LOTR,now
Tolkien doesn`t discribe what happens at Dol Guldor but the battle
to oust The Necromancer must have been pretty intense because
it took all the White Council of the Wise to get him out........

If i remember it right Gandaff also throws fireballs at the Goblins
in The Hobbit something he doesn`t do in LOTR ??

[Ewok Droppings]

I liked Pan's Labyrinth and The Orphanage, but I'm not sure how the Hobbit will turn out under Del Toro:

http://www.comingsoon.net/news/hobbitnews.php?id=41329

[Ramplate]

it is an interesting prospect though

[kfizz]

I think as long as they go back to New Zeland to film they will be ok in my book. That from now on is know as middle Earth. Get same actors to come back that are needed their are only 2 actors thou that are in Lord of the rings and the hobbit. So it think they would need all of the same team to do everything on this movie to get it too look like lord of the rings.

[Sock-Man]

It's a very good choice in my opinion.

[King_of_Skid_Row]

I don't think Del Toro could control his dark side. He should direct the last two Harry Potter films. Not the Hobbit.

[Ramplate]

well, there are some dark things in the book - troll attack for one - and I bet he'd really go to town on making Smaug very terrorizing

[Boro]

I'd love to see what he could do with the 'Flies & Spiders' Mirkwood sequence.

[DarthVader 2004]

Jackson and Del Toro are so alike its not funny. Its a perfect producer/ Director combo here and PJ will make sure the fans get an enjoyible two films.
I wish this strike would get done so we get some writers and casting.
I wonder if it will be gollem for Deltoro likes to use Jones but Andy is gollem.

[André]

Del Toro would be excellent. Imho the Hobbit is too childish and needs to be darkened a little bit for the big screen. Call what I said blasfemi if you wish ;)

[IanTheCool]

just not terry gilliam please. he'll screw it up.

[IanTheCool]

theonering.net is reporting that it will be del toro. it is on their front page. even though the deals not signed they say its 99% sure.

The following YouTube video confirms that Guillermo Del Toro will be directing ‘The Hobbit’ films. UPDATE We have an additional inside source which says that the deal is NOT signed yet, however it has a 99% probability of happening. The parties are agreed and we should expect an official announcement after the WGA (Writer’s Guild of America) Strike.

id post the said youtube vid, but i dont know how. but go to theonering.net to see it.

[LOTRNUT04]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZIvVc0BBEFQ

[IanTheCool]

thanks LOTR :)

[Maiz Cascara]

Pretty exciting news. I'm way more confident in Del Toro than Sam Raimi. I just hope the LOTR look and style remains and Howard Shore returns. Thought I heard somewhere he was toying with ideas for a 'Hobbit' score.

[sshuttari]

I think Del Toro is going to do what he did with Hellboy be good to the source material.

Especially with PJ looking over his shoulder.

[André]

I think Del Toro is going to do what he did with Hellboy be good to the source material.

Especially with PJ looking over his shoulder.

Still, there is alot of room for interpretation and own ideas when you are streching this over 2 movies (which I assume are still going to be in the 3 hour range).

[sshuttari]

Tolkien Estate Sues New Line

The estate of "Lord of the Rings" creator J.R.R. Tolkien is suing New Line Cinema, claiming the company failed to pay a cut of gross profits for the blockbuster films. Here is today's statement from The Tolkien Trust:

The trustees of The Tolkien Trust, a British charity, have filed an action against New Line Cinema for its failure to pay a contractually required gross profit participation in the three films based on the world-famous Lord of the Rings trilogy. The trustees of the estate of JRR Tolkien and HarperCollins Publishers are co-plaintiffs in the lawsuit. The suit was filed today in Los Angeles Superior Court.

The Lord of the Rings films produced by New Line are among the most financially successful films ever created by Hollywood and were released in 2001, 2002 and 2003 respectively. The cumulative worldwide gross receipts to date total nearly $6 billion. Notwithstanding the overwhelming financial success of the films, and the fact that the plaintiffs have a gross participation in each of the films, New Line has failed to pay the plaintiffs any portion of the gross profit participation at all.

The trustees' UK lawyer, Steven Maier, of Manches LLP, said: "The Tolkien trustees do not file lawsuits lightly, and have tried unsuccessfully to resolve their claims out of court. But in this case, New Line has left them no option at all. New Line has not paid the plaintiffs even one penny of its contractual share of gross receipts despite the billions of dollars of gross revenue generated by these wildly successful motion pictures. To make matters worse, to date New Line has even prevented the plaintiffs from auditing the last two films of the series. The trustees are very aggrieved by New Line's arrogance."

The complaint seeks, among other things, in excess of $150 million in compensatory damages, as well as punitive damages, and a declaration from the Court that the plaintiffs have a right to terminate any further rights New Line may have to the Tolkien works under the agreements, including The Hobbit, due to the serious and material nature of the breach of the agreements.

Bonnie Eskenazi, the trustees' US counsel who filed the complaint, said, "New Line has brought new meaning to the phrase 'creative accounting.' I cannot imagine how on earth New Line will argue to a jury that these films could gross literally billions of dollars, and yet the creator's heirs, who are entitled to a share of gross receipts, don't get a penny."

JRR Tolkien is the world-renowned author of the "Lord of the Rings" trilogy and "The Hobbit." The Tolkien Trust is a UK registered charity that has made grants to charitable causes all over the world totaling over $8 million in the last five years alone.

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Oh for F**K sakes!!!

New Line is insane what the hell are these people over there thinking. Give them there damn money and lets move on too making the Hobbit.

It's like PJ sueing them all over again!!

[Maiz Cascara]

Unbelievable. Just when we thought we were in the clear..

[Fanible]

That's some seriously jacked up stuff. You can't blame them for sueing. It would be one thing if they were just taking them to court because they felt they weren't given enough of the profits after all these years, but the fact that they didn't get anything at all is kind of dumb.

[Panther2000]

That's some seriously jacked up stuff. You can't blame them for sueing. It would be one thing if they were just taking them to court because they felt they weren't given enough of the profits after all these years, but the fact that they didn't get anything at all is kind of dumb.

I can't believe this. & Frankly, something smells kind of fishy to me on both side. How can they not be paid at all. I can't believe that.


& Mainly, after the Succes of ROTK & it's Award winning Season that it had. & Pretty much not a peep about this stuff. I mean everything else leaked out. Paying the Actors more money( they weren't get paid for all their work) That story leaked out during the making & the run of ROTK.

Maybe, they think that they have more money coming to them being that the movies made so much money that no one ever though of. & they wan't a bigger share of the profits. & with a new movie talks in the works. They gain to make even more money.

With all that has gone on for the past 4 0r 5 years & now they file a suite with, the news of The Hobbit may get under way. Fishy,

& Shame on New Line & their Book keepping. IF they keep this up no one will want to work with them. Pay freaking people. Maybe, this is why I think that Bob Shaye or someone was let go.

I surely hope that things can be worked out alot sooner than when they were going through their PJ mess.

But, I am pretty sure that PJ can take The Hobbit to any other Studio after( & IF ) the Rights expire. Being, that they know it is a Sure BLOCKBUSTER. That studio can buy it up & Give PJ pretty much almost anything he wants. You know that they do want PJ heavenly involved in this movie(s)

[sshuttari]

New Line has been in debt every since Return of the King left theatres.

Every other movie they have had has failed miserably at the box office.

Golden Compass was the movie that was going to help them get out of it but that movie did not do well as they were expecting it too.

There have been rumors ever since Golden Compass left the theatres that WB was going to buy out New Line.

[IanTheCool]

New Line has been in debt every since Return of the King left theatres.

Every other movie they have had has failed miserably at the box office.

Golden Compass was the movie that was going to help them get out of it but that movie did not do well as they were expecting it too.

There have been rumors ever since Golden Compass left the theatres that WB was going to buy out New Line.

sounds like thats whats happening.

http://www.theonering.net/torwp/2008/02/11/28370-end-of-the-line-for-new-line/

[Chessh2936]

If I had unlimited money, I would pay Peter Jackson whatever it took for him to be directing The Hobbit 1 and 2.... im sry but I DO NOT want Guillermo del Toro doing it, i just read on IGN.com that he wants to put his own style into it and not really use any LOTR stuff, when the LOTR stuff was bloody brilliant!

[Justin]

Thats pretty narrow minded.

[FilmJerk]

im sure PJ blew his load on the LOTR movies, dont think he wants to spend another 3 years basically directing the same movies

[DarthVader 2004]

Um Newline has basically folded up and is now a part of Warner Brothers and i would not worry too much about the law suit and its kinda old news really.

[Fanible]

Um Newline has basically folded up and is now a part of Warner Brothers and i would not worry too much about the law suit and its kinda old news really.

Welcome to one year later. ;)

[DarthVader 2004]

I think Jackson will work things out with The Tolkien family even if they pissed at Newline.

[Labadal]

http://au.media.movies.ign.com/media/492/492768/vids_1.html

Video and article of del Toro talking about the Hobbit at comic-con. Should be a final decision being made regards to directing in 'four or five days'.

[Scorpio82]

Can't really see why anyone should consider him a bad choice for director. The guy's got an excellent eye for art direction, respect for source material, and can really put together some good action. Beside, it's not exactly hard to mess up "The Hobbit." A bunch of no-namers did a full-length animated movie about it (complete with musical numbers) and it still rocked.

The only thing that bothers me is the idea that they want a sequel for it. They're already killing themselves just trying to get this one movie made. Why are they pushing for two when Peter Jackson has already made the sequels? What's left to tell after "The Hobbit?"

[Fanible]

I don't mind him directing. Not in the least. I also don't mind there being a "sequel". I'm just not sure yet about these talks of taking it in a different direction, and new style.

[IanTheCool]

I don't mind him directing. Not in the least. I also don't mind there being a "sequel". I'm just not sure yet about these talks of taking it in a different direction, and new style.

I think people are worried he's a little too dark and twisted for the world of the hobbit. And I'd be lying if i said i didnt have the same worries.

[King_of_Skid_Row]

Yeah clearly we need his dark mind for the final Harry Potter movie. He should direct that. Not the Hobbit.