The Crow

[Nick Fury]

i think that the crow salviation should have had a theratrical relise. There was so much hype for this film then it just died.

[Theta]

Have you read any reviews? Even some Crow diehards really hate this movie. And a DTV release from Dimension is REALLY bad news. I mean, these guys even gave "Highlander: Endgame" a theatrical release! They have no standards, just how bad can this flick be?

[dubloth]

but its got dunst.. god it cant be that bad.

[JBond]

Right on, dub!

[the crow]

It may not be the best Crow movie . . . but something tells me I'll still enjoy it.

http://www.comingsoon.net/ubb/biggrin.gif


~ The Crow

[Superman]

Originally posted by the crow:
It may not be the best Crow movie . . . but something tells me I'll still enjoy it.

http://www.comingsoon.net/ubb/biggrin.gif


~ The Crow

Why?

[dubloth]

maybe gee his name! dunst!

[Superman]

Originally posted by dubloth:
maybe gee his name! dunst!

Kirsten posts here!!

[dubloth]

she posts herE?

[JBond]

What?

[Superman]

Originally posted by dubloth:
she posts herE?

You said "dunst" and she is in the movie too.

[Superman]

Originally posted by JBond:
What?

Where?

[mikey buckmaster]

i think when the second one bombed that should have told filmakers that this is no longer a successful franchise. Plus no one can capture the crow's essence better then Brandon Lee( may he rest in peace)quite honestly though, Johnny Depp would have made a *****en crow, just imagine, he definately wouldn't do now though, it's just interesting is all

[The Founder]

Originally posted by mikey buckmaster:
i think when the second one bombed that should have told filmakers that this is no longer a successful franchise. Plus no one can capture the crow's essence better then Brandon Lee( may he rest in peace)quite honestly though, Johnny Depp would have made a *****en crow, just imagine, he definately wouldn't do now though, it's just interesting is all



I totally agree with you that they should have dumped the franchise after two. HELL YES JOHNNY DEPP WOULD HAVE BEEN THE PERFECT FOLLOW UP AFTER LEE, HELL I THINK THEY COULD OF PULLED OFF THIS THIRD ONE EVEN AFTER THAT GOD AWFUL PART TWO IF DEPP HAD COME ABOARD AND OF COURSE WITH A GOOD SCRIPT.Unfortunally
(my spelling sucks)I must now give you bad news.I heard that it's going to be another one with rapper DMX filling in the shoes of the crow.I like DMX and I hope to god he wakes up and backs out of the project.Damn will the studio ever learn.

[HotBoy]

Originally posted by The Founder:

I totally agree with you that they should have dumped the franchise after two. HELL YES JOHNNY DEPP WOULD HAVE BEEN THE PERFECT FOLLOW UP AFTER LEE, HELL I THINK THEY COULD OF PULLED OFF THIS THIRD ONE EVEN AFTER THAT GOD AWFUL PART TWO IF DEPP HAD COME ABOARD AND OF COURSE WITH A GOOD SCRIPT.Unfortunally
(my spelling sucks)I must now give you bad news.I heard that it's going to be another one with rapper DMX filling in the shoes of the crow.I like DMX and I hope to god he wakes up and backs out of the project.Damn will the studio ever learn.
Well, here's more news. I also heard that there's going to be an evil Crow in the movie, and he will be played by Eminem.

[Superman]

Originally posted by HotBoy:
Originally posted by The Founder:

I totally agree with you that they should have dumped the franchise after two. HELL YES JOHNNY DEPP WOULD HAVE BEEN THE PERFECT FOLLOW UP AFTER LEE, HELL I THINK THEY COULD OF PULLED OFF THIS THIRD ONE EVEN AFTER THAT GOD AWFUL PART TWO IF DEPP HAD COME ABOARD AND OF COURSE WITH A GOOD SCRIPT.Unfortunally
(my spelling sucks)I must now give you bad news.I heard that it's going to be another one with rapper DMX filling in the shoes of the crow.I like DMX and I hope to god he wakes up and backs out of the project.Damn will the studio ever learn.
Well, here's more news. I also heard that there's going to be an evil Crow in the movie, and he will be played by Eminem.

Not anymore. At first it was going to be DMX as the Crow up against Eminem as the villain, but then they decided not to make this part of the Crow franchise. The movie is now called "Lazarus" and has nothing to do with "The Crow" (whoohoo).

[sniktawt]

DMX as The Crow, Jesus that would have been great!!!!!!!!!!...Not!!!!!!

[spiderman_2k]

Dammit man...I was all confused because i didnt check the date of what i was reading...

[Original]

hey snik, were u serious in that PM. U SHOULD DO THAT!

[Alexander JL]

Damnit sniktwat, your stealing my mojo! ;)

[sniktawt]

No I am not stealing your mojo, JL, just following on your great idea of bringing back crappy threads.You are the man.:applaud:

[sniktawt]

Originally posted by Original
hey snik, were u serious in that PM. U SHOULD DO THAT!

No.

[Sims17]

Whats your fave line from the original crow?
Mine's "ARE WE HAVIN FUN OR WHAT"!

[sniktawt]

Great line.That movie rocked.Best comic book adaptation of all time.No doubt.

Best lines:

-"Victims, aren't we all"
-"It's not a good day to be a bad guy"
-"They're all dead, they just don't know it yet."
-I say I'm dead and I move."

The man would have been a huge star what a shame.

[ambrosia]

"Quick re-enactment. Corr, Corr, Bang, f**k I'm dead."

[Hitman]

Some of these threads rise from the dead like a Thriller video.

[sniktawt]

Shouldn't that be rise from the dead like The Crow....lol.

[sniktawt]

A new thread was started with the exact same title as this.

Tasty Humans didn't look hard enough.It was only on page 2.lol.

What had to be said could have been put here.

O well!!

[Riddle]

Why is there 2 threads about the crow?! And why are people posting on both?!

Time to organize, people!

[Colorado Cajun]

If I had my way we'd have a Crow forum just for me and Snik lol

[sniktawt]

I second that!!!LOL.

It's popular enough the battle threads proved that!!!

[Colorado Cajun]

Hell yeah it is and it never dies or loses it's power over people

Crow Forum for us! Crow forum for us!!!!

[sniktawt]

UH, Yeah, Dump Harry Potter and Put up the Crow.

Imagine a whole Thread dedicated To Top Dollar!!!wow the possibilities are endless.

[sniktawt]

Even Bai Ling got votes in the battle thread!!!

[Colorado Cajun]

Yeah it would become second to community for best forum

[sniktawt]

LOL

We can dream.lol.

[sniktawt]

Is Edward Furlong the next Crow ?

[Colorado Cajun]

Yeah the bastard:evil:

I;m hoping David can make it decent though

[sniktawt]

Edward ****ING Furlong that squeally mouthed ****er!!!!
That franchise will always be doomed now That Lee has left us.

[Jaydawg]

Originally posted by sniktawt
Edward ****ING Furlong that squeally mouthed ****er!!!!
That franchise will always be doomed now That Lee has left us.

Lee left us halfway through the first one, and the series was doomed after part 1 anyway.

[Rogue]

Salvation wasn't as good at The Crow, none of the "crow" films will ever live up to the original but, Salvation was better than City of Angels.

[Rogue]

And as far as Wicked Prayer goes, I've read the book and I've read about the upcoming movie and the characters are butchered. The plot's been hacked apart too. If you say you're going to base it on a book, even loosely, then do it. I don't even know if I can stomach seeing Wicked Prayer knowing that it's going to suck. The book was fantastic and I don't have high hopes for the film since they've butchered it.

[sniktawt]

Originally posted by Jaydawg
Lee left us halfway through the first one, and the series was doomed after part 1 anyway.

Gee thanx for the update.:confused:

[Rogue]

*gets on her soapbox about Wicked Prayer*

Okay so the characters are loosely based on characters from Patridge's novel but the actors they've cast aren't going to get it done.

Tara Reid is cast as the Kyra Damon (from the novel) character and in the book she comes across as a very tough, willing to beat your ass *****. She's power hungry and wants nothing more than to hurt everyone. Sorry, Reid is too sweet for this role, in my opinion. I doubt she'll be able to deliver the performance needed.
David Boreanaz as the Johnny Church (from the novel) character- after reading the book, I picture Johnny Church as a tough guy, a skinhead, if you will. Again, Boreanaz may be able to pull it off but it's going to be tough. Dennis Hopper's character is supposed to be a shrunken head if they're staying faithful to the book. El Nino is adapted from the Raymundo character and this just really pisses me off! Raymundo was one of my favorite characters from the book and he made the book enjoyable..without staying the least bit faithful to this character, it's going to be shot to hell. The backstories are changed, the plot is hacked to pieces and the casting is poor at best.

I say quit running the franchise into the ground and forget Wicked Prayer. Or at least quit claiming that it be based on the novel because in my mind, it can't even be loosely based on the novel- too much has changed.

:mad:

*steps off the soapbox* Sorry guys, had to get that out of my system.

[sphericthor]

I agree with Rogue, and I would also like to add my own opinion on the subject. When the actor playing the main character in the movie dies in real life, that's it, the whole thing should stop.

The Producers, Directors etc should just let that person rest in peace knowing the franchise can't go on without the main star. If Robert Englund died they wouldn't make another Freddy movie so why can't they just leave the Crow franchise alone.

[zippy]

I agree Brandon Lee was/Is The Crow.
Please no more!!!!!

[sniktawt]

So ****ing true!!!!!

No more Crow films!!!

[Tasty Humans]

Originally posted by sniktawt
A new thread was started with the exact same title as this.

Tasty Humans didn't look hard enough.It was only on page 2.lol.

What had to be said could have been put here.

O well!! Two is better than one, snikster ;)

[Rogue]

Hell, I would have been happy had it just been The Crow and Salvation..Salvation was a bit different, at least to me. City of Angels just sucked, in my opinion.

[Colorado Cajun]

They can do a Crow fil and make it decent if they'd just let someone with a fn brain do it. **** I could cast and do a damn good script myself I bet if I tried lol

[sniktawt]

Now I would see that If Cajun Helmed The project.If Not though, Why not get back to The Original Director, Alex Proyas ? The man had visions and it was sweet.

Or someone with similar style, David Fincher maybe ?

James O'Barr must lose his mind with this crap coming out.

I always felt that a Crow sequel lacked my boy, Top Dollar.
All they have to do is Bring him back from the Dead and it would be a winner.lol.
And Wincott has to grow his once flowing mane back as well.lol.:)

[Colorado Cajun]

I would do the female Crow story because it is damn good and original

http://store4.yimg.com/I/thecomicshop_1752_282816

[sniktawt]

I second that.

Get Eliza Dushku and I'm there.Or Katherine Isabelle From Freddy VS. Jason and Ginger Snaps.

[Colorado Cajun]

Actually I think I'd try for Carrie Ann Moss because as much as I love Eliza. Carrie is a better actress and I want to save the franchise lol

[sniktawt]

Carrie Ann Moss has the Sex appeal of Bea Arthur or Estelle Getty IMO.

Dushku all the way.lol.

[Rogue]

Ew..can we say none of the above?

The perfect female crow, in my eyes, would be an unknown..someone with potential that would blow the roof off the franchise. Dushku and Moss are way too exposed for a role like that. Get an unknown with raw talent and go from there, methinks.

[Colorado Cajun]

Originally posted by Rogue
Ew..can we say none of the above?

The perfect female crow, in my eyes, would be an unknown..someone with potential that would blow the roof off the franchise. Dushku and Moss are way too exposed for a role like that. Get an unknown with raw talent and go from there, methinks.
AN unknown couldn't save the franchise since it's been buried so far under **** that it would take a major draw and a strong script to save it

[Rogue]

Excuse me for commenting.

[Colorado Cajun]

Originally posted by Rogue
Excuse me for commenting.
who said you couldn't comment? All I said since the franchise has such bad pub now; it would take a big name and script to save it

[sniktawt]

On any other comic adaptation I would agree with Rogue 100 % But Like Cajun said , this franchise needs over exposed Talent to give it a boost.

But I do like the idea of casting unknowns in Superhero roles just not with a female Crow.

[Rogue]

It just doesn't make sense to me. The franchise is already shot to hell. I just don't see how casting big name stars will save it. It seems that's what they're doing in the next film and it's not going to work..they went out and got popular stars, pretty big name stars and it's not going to save the film. I just don't see it, but that's me.

[sniktawt]

Well you're right.It is shot to hell so why even make another.That's my complaint.The producers should Leave it well enough alone.It's a pointless sequel and all it will do will make us groan.

[Rogue]

It'll make me groan because I'll be cussing 'cause it's nothing like the book it's "loosely based upon."

The characters are different, the plot is different. It's a different damn movie- *grumbles* It's nothing like wicked prayer the novel. :mad:

[sniktawt]

What fascinates me is why buy property rights to a novel that does have a following and completly take it and turn it into something it isn't.
Why not just save money on buying copyrights and just do what they're doing anyways...
Bastardising it!!!!!!!!! I would much rather a sort of copy than them saying it's based on source material it clearly isn't based on.

[southern]

they should've stopped after the first.............

the second was beyond horrbile, salvation was ok (main gripe was kirsten dunst couldn't act her way out of a wet paper bad in it) and i can't believe they're making a forth

[CWLakers34]

I'm sorry if I'm getting confused, but where does Stairway to Heaven fit into all of this? I see it at my video store but none of you count it as a movie, and I never bothered to read the back of the box.

[southern]

tv show

[sniktawt]

Yeah It's the TV series.
It's the only Crow somewhat worth mentioning following the original film.

[Rogue]

Stairway isn't bad but I have some gripes about it..*holds back*

[sphericthor]

Originally posted by Rogue
Ew..can we say none of the above?

The perfect female crow, in my eyes, would be an unknown..someone with potential that would blow the roof off the franchise. Dushku and Moss are way too exposed for a role like that. Get an unknown with raw talent and go from there, methinks.

That's exactly what I was thinking

[Rogue]

As far as Stairway goes, without Dacascos it woudn't even be worth watching. He carries the show, in my opinion. The rest of the casting, with the exception of Sarah is all wrong.

[Colorado Cajun]

Stairway was damn good for what it was. I mean hello all it was meant to be a Beastmaster type of show. It was damn good for the latenight time spot it aired on

[sniktawt]

Yes it was a Beastmaster type of show and it is better than any of the sequels.It gets merits for some good things but like Rogue said, it had a bad cast except Dacascos... He was great .

Seen Dacascos recently in Cradle 2 The Grave and the dude is major ass cool!!!

I thought he had The Look down pat!!!

http://www.brenhamtx.net/ict/imagin/members/stcrow/images/face.jpg

[sphericthor]

I think Drive is his best movie though, it's as if he was made for the part

[tarzan]

Crow=awesome

[sniktawt]

True dat, Tarzan

[Rational_1]

With the exception of Alex Proyas' direction and the captivating cinematography, I thought the original Crow was downright terrible.Maybe my appreciation of the flick was colored by having read and understood the original comic book which was NOTHING like the movie except in superficial details(i.e. borrowing lines here and there).

Brandon Lee was a terrible actor I am sorry to say but that didn't matter because the script sucked anyway.The Crow GN by O'barr is a tragic romance which had more to do with Shakespear than it did with superheroes but since it was a comic book the Holloywood types reconked they had to "superheroize" the character.

[Rogue]

The Crow wasn't trying to "superheroize" Eric Draven, he was just given a chance to set things right in the name of true love.

The Crow has more of a supernatural feel to it than a superhero feel. I disagree about the script sucking too- some of Sarah's voiceovers are some of my favorite movie quotes of all time.

The Crow is a tragic romance with a twist.

[Rational_1]

Originally posted by Rogue
The Crow wasn't trying to "superheroize" Eric Draven, he was just given a chance to set things right in the name of true love.


The Crow movie WAS a superheroized version of the originnal GN by O'Barr and this was pretty much admitted by the producers.When you have enormously successful movies like Batman, producers are itching to get in on that action.When someone says "What about this Crow thing?We get the rights pretty cheap and it has a pretty large built-in fanbase!He is sort of a "back from the dead" Batman and special effects and set designs would be at a minimum." the producers say "Sounds good!Here is the budget and be sure to have 'one of ours' go over the script and "round it out"!".
Then a Hollywood hack is hired to "round out the script" by taking out a bunch of stuff which has not proven to be successful in "these types of movies" and replace it with stuff that "has been proven to work over and over again in 'these types of movies'.

How the Hollywood producers see things:

Time spent developing the character of a dead girl?

Cut it way down.She is just there as a reasoon for Crow to be killing bad guys.

Time spent developing the relationship between the various characters?

Why?They are either dead or being killed anyway!Superheroes are about action!

Bouncing from flashbacks to "current" scenes to tell the story adn set the viewer up for a really important scene?


Will only confuse those superhero fans.Our research shows that this stuff turns off the less-than-well-educated action movie goer who is our target audience.Just have them killed right at the beginning and jump ahead to a year later.They can't handle anything more complicated than that.

The Crow has more of a supernatural feel to it than a superhero feel. I disagree about the script sucking too- some of Sarah's voiceovers are some of my favorite movie quotes of all time.

The Crow is a tragic romance with a twist. [/B]


But there is no reason the movie could not have been of comparable quality to the book!There wasd no good reason to "dumb it down"!The movie would have been both a financial AND critical success if they had just adapted O'Barr's story instead of just a financila and fanboy success.

[crash override]

It is hard to believe that someone could actually think that Brandon Lee is a horrible actor and that The Crow's script sucked. I am sorry, but there was and still is no one else who could have portrayed Eric Draven better than Brandon Lee.

Also, there is never a single comic book adaptation that is exactly identical to the book. The Crow was never meant to superheroize Eric Draven. Eric Draven was allowed to go back and set things right in the name of love. Bottom Line. This movie was extremely poetic and did follow the comic rather well. I have read it and am extremely pleased with the movie. Acting was supurb, screenplay was top-notch, and directing was some of the best I have ever seen.

[JackBauer]

i agree.

the original crow flick is still one of the best movies i ever saw.

[Colorado Cajun]

The Crow is based on Native AMerican folklore. James took the myth and made a story of redemption and love wrapped with the folklore and myth as a backing. It's not even close to a superhero film

[econmists]

The Crow wasn't too bad...prefer Dark City though.