24 - - - - The Best Drama On Television.

[LOTRNUT04]

just saw hostage, which was excellent by the way, but agent pierce from 24 was an LAPD officer. I love seeing characters from 24 on other stuff. anyone else seen a 24 character in a big-time movie??

[slinger]

just saw hostage, which was excellent by the way, but agent pierce from 24 was an LAPD officer. I love seeing characters from 24 on other stuff. anyone else seen a 24 character in a big-time movie??

Just saw this last night:

The Manchurian Candidate (2004)

Zeljko Ivanek (Andre Drazen season 1)
Jude Ciccolella (Mike Novick season 1-2) he wears a wig

[LOTRNUT04]

Just saw this last night:

The Manchurian Candidate (2004)

Zeljko Ivanek (Andre Drazen season 1)
Jude Ciccolella (Mike Novick season 1-2) he wears a wig

Thats cool, i do remeber seeing Mr. Mike Novick, but i dont remeber Andre there...good find.

[Karma Dog]

Edgar was in Spiderman 2

[thebtskink]

Daniel Dae Kim, Agent Baker in S2 and S3, was in The Jackal and Spider-man 2

Also on the TV show "Lost"

[poashaggy69]

I'm pretty sure Arnold Vosloo, who plays Habib Marwan on "24" was in "the Mummy" and "the Mummy Returns". I recognized him when i first saw him on the show, and I immediately though of 'the Mummy'.

[JBond]

I saw the actress who plays Nina on a preview for House today, then I saw Chloe in "The Sketch Show"

[slinger]

I saw the actress who plays Nina on a preview for House today, then I saw Chloe in "The Sketch Show"

Sarah Clarke who plays Nina has been cast for a drama pilot I believe on NBC. She's appeared on Sex and the City (pre-24), I believe CSI and was in Thirteen. Married to Xander Berkerly (American Hero:George Mason) who has appeared in Air Force One, The X-Files and CSI.

[JBond]

OK, thanks ;)

Oh yeah, and I think I saw George Mason last night in "Universal Soldier: The Return"

[LOTRNUT04]

george mason also in gattaca, heat, shanghai noon, apollo 13...but i wasnt' really counting him because he is one of the bigger actors from the show...

[Boiiinng]

OK, I'm gonna stop this before it gets out of control.

www.imdb.com

[Quentor]

Is anyone else not getting 24. Right now I'm getting UFC Fighting what the hell. It's on my Fox and FX channels

[AshtonFoster]

There is 24 on this week for you US lot right? Cause I cant wait anymore for another episode. 24 is the highlight of my week....EVERY week.

[Boiiinng]

7:00-8:00

OK, I don't have much to say about this episode, because I liked it......until the cliche "villain arises from the assumed death to take one last shot at a nice guy." What the crap was that? I knew it was going to happen and yet I thought even with all the loose, forced scripts this season they may not bother with it, but I was wrong. Oh well, looks like Air Force One is next.

[Boods]

i guessed that whatever was happening at the air force base would have to do with the president cos he's been in the air for way too long..
the gun fight was one of the best ever on the 24.. jack and tony rule again!! honorable mentions to paul raines who got saved jack's life..
michelle started by being a ***** (i love how she just fired sarah) then she was cool after learning tony saved jack and audrey's life earlier...
i hope audrey doesnt break up with jack cos that would be really messed up...if she loves jack then she loves jack, no questions!!!

next week: dina is back in the pictur, and apparently taking jack hostage to get another guy who may be a link to marwan, while the guy at the air force base is taking it out on some dude's family..i hope paul raines doesnt die cos that would suck a lot...

[MovieIllusions]

They probably will kill Paul off, just when I was starting to like him too. They will kill one of the big characters off I gurantee it, they do it every year.

[LOTRNUT04]

really liked the episode. The two brothers who helped did a good job, liked them. Tony is a genius, how did he know what Jack was going to do...telepathy? :). This season is gettting better and better. I also hope that Paul doesn't die, to expected. If he doesn't die, it will give audrey a decision to make later. Well, 7 more days...shi-

[slinger]

|_ 24 / DAY FOUR / 7:00 P.M. - 8:00 P.M. _|

Ooo Michelle firing Sarah, loved that. Now she can go back to helping Gillroy buy properties outside Farmington. Edgar Stiles needs the raise and Sarah's vacation time added onto his. Did anyone else laugh when Michelle referred Tony as Agent Almeida?

So is Heller with the terrorists? He told the President to stay in the air a little while longer and it appears they're going to do something to Air Force One. As a Canadain I'm not that certain how the chain of command goes once the President and VP die, the leader of the House or something next? Could he gain even more power if a few select deaths occur? Still it would be a big twist, just don't know if they can justify it.

Found this - For the complete text of the 25th Amendment, see Constitution of the United States.

Article II, Section 1, Clause 6 also authorizes Congress to establish a line of succession to the presidency in the event of simultaneous vacancies in the offices of president and vice president. Pursuant to this provision, Congress adopted a law in 1947 that places the following persons in the line of succession after the vice president: first the Speaker of the House, then the president pro tempore of the Senate, and then the members of the cabinet in the order in which their departments were created.

Audrey trying to be a matchmaker, we just may see Tony and Michelle sharing a kiss once again in CTU. The two brothers are join a small group to spend an hour with Jack in one of his hellacious days. Awesome ending, Pauly getting shot was lame, c'mon 24! We've seen that 100 times. Paul should've been shot earlier and the episode should've ended with the President talking about something. He's the next target.

...DINA is back, and they have to convince Marwan that she's taken the Badass Bauer hostage. Audrey is still technically married and it looks like she'll be a widow, Jack has done everything right in trying to find answers and save people yet he's going to lose the woman he loves because of it. 5 more episodes until Palmer shows up asking Jack to buy some All-State Insurance. And Cougar Attack Insurance for Kim.

[LOTRNUT04]

definitely do not think that Heller has anything to do with it. He was just suggesting that the president stay in the air because it *seems* like the safest place for him to be, and heller is just waiting until things are completely safe. I still stand behind Paul not dieing, it would be less cliche-y, and give audrey an extended plotline.

[Ewok Droppings]

What if Heller is behind it and HE was the one that gave them his location at the beginning of the show when he was kidnapped? He seems so complacent with all that is happening. I could see Jack having to kill him in the last episode if this was the case. It would be an interesting twist and it would explain a lot. Secretary Heller plotted this whole thing together with Marwan. Interesting.

[ViRUs]

Found this - For the complete text of the 25th Amendment, see Constitution of the United States.

Article II, Section 1, Clause 6 also authorizes Congress to establish a line of succession to the presidency in the event of simultaneous vacancies in the offices of president and vice president. Pursuant to this provision, Congress adopted a law in 1947 that places the following persons in the line of succession after the vice president: first the Speaker of the House, then the president pro tempore of the Senate, and then the members of the cabinet in the order in which their departments were created.

this is what i found on that matter, it is something different than what you have, im not sure why, but here it is anyways.

Vacancy in the Offices of President and Vice President.
If both the President and Vice President die, resign, or are impeached, the Speaker of the Congress shall immediately assume the powers and duties of the President as Acting President, and the Congress shall within thirty days of the last vacancy elect a President and Vice President, convening for that purpose if not in session, and declare vacancies in the Congress. If the Office of the Speaker is vacant, or if the Speaker dies or resigns from Congress during said thirty-day period, the Vice Speaker shall immediately assume the powers and duties of the President as Acting President.

Basically it sounds like they have the next person in line be a acting president, then the house votes within 30 days. I dont think Heller is in on it, but i think if he is, it would make sense why he allowed his son to be tortured earlier in the season.

[LOTRNUT04]

why would he allow himself to be kidnapped and then saved like that, with his daughter involved. They almost gas chambered themselves to get out of it...if this happens, it will make no sense...

[AshtonFoster]

Good episode again...I expected one of the Paul or those two brothers to die in the shoot out...wow, I was wrong. Jack was heartless...loved it when he stabbed that guy in the back of the neck. And Jack seemed pretty honoured when he realised Paul saved his life...his eyes said it all.
Tony seems to be on a roll when it comes to making calls....Gave me jokes when he told Michelle she'd be hearing his views whether he likes it or not...He's a tough cookie.
Heller working with the terrorists?? It couldve been an elaborate planned kidnapping...but when you look at the factors against, it seems unlikley. The gas lines, the fact that he's putting his daughter at risk (esp when she recognised that guys face), the fact that people were shooting at him and his daughter when they were trying to escape....seems unlikley...unless something else gets unvield later on.

[PapaRoachRules]

^^^i also doubt it would be Heller.

I had a feeling Paul was gonna die but he only got shot in that episode. But he might still somehow die.

[slinger]

why would he allow himself to be kidnapped and then saved like that, with his daughter involved. They almost gas chambered themselves to get out of it...if this happens, it will make no sense...

I too questioned Heller behind it, but someone at SHH! said Heller had to go along with the gas chamber not to blow his cover, and he planned the kidnapping to distract the agencies so they could set up the Overide. Marwan does know what the President's schedule is so someone is a traitor.

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Upcoming '24' Focuses on Jack Bauer Eating a Sandwich
By Cody James

Hollywood, CA - Fox was uncharacteristically candid this week about the next hour in one of CTU agent Jack Bauer's (Kiefer Sutherland) many harrowing days. In an interview with Variety, executive producer Evan Katz revealed the next hour of this season's 24-hour "day," from 7-8 p.m., would mostly focus on Jack eating a sandwich.

24"Many fans remarked how Jack never seems to stop for anything," said Katz. "Since the episode is the proverbial deep breath before the plunge, we decided Jack needed some nourishment."

While Katz declined to get specific, he did share a few moments from the episode. As CTU searches frantically for Marwan and tries to uncover McLennan-Forster's secrets, Jack's SUV power-slides into an In-N-Out Burger in Van Nuys. He jumps out, dashes inside and hurriedly orders a Double-Double with no pickles, fries and a Dr. Pepper.

Naturally, the order goes horribly wrong.

The barely sentient cashier fails to enter Jack's order correctly, so the sandwich arrives with pickles anyway. He then tells Jack that the Dr. Pepper spout is broken. "Listen to me," Jack says, grabbing the cashier by the shirt. "I need you to take the pickles off now. There's no time to explain – you're going to have to trust me."

Bauer is then forced to choose between Coca-Cola and root beer while the cashier ponders a solution to the pickle crisis.

The balance of the episode is a series of intercuts between the chaos at CTU headquarters and Jack as he eats his sandwich, reads the paper and visits the rest room. As for what Jack does about the soda situation, Katz said, "Jack's a resourceful guy – he'll think of something."

[JBond]

HA! That was hilarious, slinger. I've always been making jokes about things they could show but wouldn't, you could devote a thread to it.

I liked some things in this episode and hated others. I liked the scenes between Michelle and Tony, they were well acted. I hated the scene where Sarah demanded a raise all of the sudden, and the fact that Michelle just tossed her away, it seemed like they had to take her off the show in a as sloppy way as possible. And like otehr people said, I hated the fact that that guy got a shot off in Paul...these guys are PROFESIONALS and they left a guy without checking him WITH A GUN NEARBY, give me a break. 5 minutes before Paul was shot, I said outloud "It's going to end with Paul getting shot and killed" So far I'm right...

[AshtonFoster]

He jumps out, dashes inside and hurriedly orders a Double-Double with no pickles, fries and a Dr. Pepper.

Naturally, the order goes horribly wrong.

The barely sentient cashier fails to enter Jack's order correctly, so the sandwich arrives with pickles anyway. He then tells Jack that the Dr. Pepper spout is broken. "Listen to me," Jack says, grabbing the cashier by the shirt. "I need you to take the pickles off now. There's no time to explain – you're going to have to trust me."


Lol.....
"There's no time to explain - you're going to have to trust me" - Quality. I can just imagine it as well. Oh well, if '24' ever sells out to a McDonalds advert with Jack in it, I guess this could be the add.

[ViRUs]

That should of been in spoilers slinger, you just ruined the next episode, lol.

I might be wrong but didnt Jack go to the bathroom when he went to Pauls hotel room? He said something like, "I'll be right back," then he walked into a room and Audrey and Paul talked, then he came out like 10 seconds later. It was kind of quick to be a bathroom break, but i dont know, it is 24 straight hours without a bathroom break, he has to go sometime.

[Ewok Droppings]

HA! That was hilarious, slinger. I've always been making jokes about things they could show but wouldn't, you could devote a thread to it.

I liked some things in this episode and hated others. I liked the scenes between Michelle and Tony, they were well acted. I hated the scene where Sarah demanded a raise all of the sudden, and the fact that Michelle just tossed her away, it seemed like they had to take her off the show in a as sloppy way as possible. And like otehr people said, I hated the fact that that guy got a shot off in Paul...these guys are PROFESIONALS and they left a guy without checking him WITH A GUN NEARBY, give me a break. 5 minutes before Paul was shot, I said outloud "It's going to end with Paul getting shot and killed" So far I'm right...

Well not ENTIRELY true just yet because Paul hasn't died...yet. Maybe he'll kick the bucket in the next episode - but I'm thinking this drama with the relationships can only lead to one thing and that's Audrey getting killed somehow in the last episode.

[JBond]

I said I was right so far

[the elmo zombie]

pauls gonna die

[poashaggy69]

Eh...not that it's a bad show, but it can be a tad predictable.

[LOTRNUT04]

^what show is not "a tad predictable"

[Boods]

i dont think paul's gonna die. this is just a way to worsen audrey and jack's relationship after what happened earlier.
so tomorrow jack's going to be taken hostage by dina the preview showed. that's pretty crazy, i think it's not going to go well at all, marwan is to smart for this.
michelle and tony working together is going to lead to something else i think.
this whole air force base thing to do with the president sounds pretty crazy right now, need to learn what marwan is really up to right now. is he gonna blow air force one? kill the president when he lands? it's gonna be crazy

[slinger]

Link to the spoiler
http://www.eonline.com/Gossip/Kristin/Trans/Archive2005/050321d.html

THE BIG SPOILER Well Kinda
24 is so good this season. It deserves more scoop!
And how. P. Stinny (Patrick Stinson) was on set last week, and Carlos Bernard spilled the beans about the end of this season's 24: "Somebody pretty big dies, I know that. A major character--and I know them quite well--dies." He also said he's getting into more trouble with the suits. "You know my character's having a issues, and I'm shooting a scene where one of the higher-ups is coming to oversee things. He does not trust me, to say the least." Which prompts the question: Is Michelle a man?

If you've seen the awesome season two doc they started pre-production on the final two episodes of the season on April 1st, so they're probably almost starting to work on that. Now the question is who is it? Jack? Michelle? or even Tony? Go reread that part, it very well could be Tony. If they were going to kill Tony I'm guessing the writers would give him a heads up. Oooo two months left!

[KayTang999]

If you saw House, you would have seen "Everyone is expendable." promo for next week 24. Take it as whatever you want.

[Mike Teevee]

I think it will be Paul. But I would love to be surprised if it wasn't. This is one of the few truly original shows on tv right now IMO.

[KayTang999]

How about this one? According to the most unreliable source IMDB, James Badge Dale is back for the last 5 episodes of this season.

[slinger]

How about this one? According to the most unreliable source IMDB, James Badge Dale is back for the last 5 episodes of this season.

Yeah I read about that, until I read an article or future episode summary I won't believe it. They shouldn't use Chase. Bring him in for a guest stint in season five. The one thing that bothered me about season three was Nina AND Sherri dying on the same day. The same two woman that showed their true evil selves to the men close to them on the same exact day a few years ago and the same two evil women that got tangled into the smuggled nuclear bomb threat on the same exact day. Nina should've been absent from season three and been inserted somewhere in season four. Without Nina, season three wouldn't have been that different. And still having here alive as season four started would've been better. But what's done is done. If they've already brought back Tony, Michelle, Chole and soon Palmer it wouldn't really surprise me.

[KayTang999]

I like that character a lot but I don't want to see him back because I don't like how they treat veteran characters. They like to kill them off! I like to have the memory that he is still alive somewhere with or without Kim.

[Boiiinng]

A stealth...wonderful. Next week is going to be crazy.

[slinger]

Big twist? Revealing that Heller is pleased with the President's death.

I think its pretty clear that President Keeler is the target and with his death sure it will be huge but its not going to be a big twist. So something will happen other than Keeler's meeting with a stealth bomber. Paul could also die next week you never know.

[Cartagia]

Big twist? Revealing that Heller is pleased with the President's death.

I think its pretty clear that President Keeler is the target and with his death sure it will be huge but its not going to be a big twist. So something will happen other than Keeler's meeting with a stealth bomber. Paul could also die next week you never know.

I don't know. I think Keeler;s death is the big "twist" if for no other reason that no other show (to my knowledge) has ever had the balls to actually KILL the President, much less take down Air Force One. My respect level will go up 3 fold (from 150%) if they actually go through with it.

[slinger]

I don't know. I think Keeler;s death is the big "twist" if for no other reason that no other show (to my knowledge) has ever had the balls to actually KILL the President, much less take down Air Force One. My respect level will go up 3 fold (from 150%) if they actually go through with it.

Maybe if they didn't use the word twist, that's usually for something you don't see coming. Like Nina being the mole, Mandy returning, Gael not being a mole. It's pretty clear that Mr.Anderson will use his stealth bomber I'm thinking Keeler will have a message for the American people, AFO will have landed for it, Anderson will drop some bombs and Keeler's death will be broadcasted across television. If you're going to kill the president on TV you've got to go all out. Heller was absent from this episode as he was away at his meeting about martial law.... But anyway this episode looks like it will rank up with the nuclear blast/Mason death episode and the season one finale. Especially if Heller has a big smirk on his face...

[LOTRNUT04]

good episode, i was actually worried about jack. I really got fooled by the killing of the sniper...i thought they'd just shot Jack! Anyway, next week's episode should have the president shot down...that's going to be exciting.

[pixiness]

Did anyone else feel like they're hinting at revealing a snake in the midst of CTU next week based on the preview at the end of this week? My guess: It's Audrey. She's the one who orchestrated the kidnapping of her and her father. She's made sure to stay closely involved in everything going on at CTU. She's always just "happened" to escape harm. Plus, because of Jack she seems to be beyond suspicion.

Any other thoughts?

[poashaggy69]

I hate Audrey, I hope it's her. Her husband is like an ass, but then all of a sudden she loves him again instead of Jack. Why do people keep back stabbing Jack? Jeese...

I'm also sick of Edgar. Oh and this little thing between that chick and edgar...god that is annoying the crap out of me. The acting is...horrible. Right away they are annoyed with eachother? psh.

Still a good show though. I was like jumping when Jack and Beruse were on the bridge doing the trade. I was shouting "GRAB THE KID AND RUN JACK! AHHHH" that would have been cool. It's kinda funny they found both tracking devices.

[ViRUs]

well edgar has been through a lot, granted i do kind of agree Edgar is a little "too mean," but you would kind of be too if someone that got fired earlier today was rehired back and wants to take over your control. I dont think he should be that mad, but its not that big deal to me.

[LOTRNUT04]

i know what you guys mean. At the beginning, i liked edgar, but now he's a little over the top. Chloe as well, she had really improved from season 3, but now its gotten worse again. Chloe and Edgar seemed to be friends in the beginning, but now they hate each other??? but still, a minor problem.

[JBond]

That's cause they aren't being consistent with the characters, different peopel writ different episodes and do what ever they...no matter how much of a change a character makes.

And why would anyone be worried for Jack? If there's one thing we know, it's that he won't die. After you see him in warm's way for the 14th time, you start to not care.

I have a question, how did CTU know that Dina was dead? Did I totally miss when any of the terrorists told them? Jack sure couldn't have.

I hate to say it, but this show is really going down hill, they did the same damn old torture thing agaiin, what's wrong with truth serum or something? If they want season 5 to work at all, I say get rid of CTU and have Jack do something different, maybe as a spy or something. New characters.

[Boiiinng]

I have a question, how did CTU know that Dina was dead? Did I totally miss when any of the terrorists told them? Jack sure couldn't have.

When Jack's tracker went offline, CTU went to find out what happened, they found Dina's body there.

[slinger]

That's cause they aren't being consistent with the characters, different peopel writ different episodes and do what ever they...no matter how much of a change a character makes.

And why would anyone be worried for Jack? If there's one thing we know, it's that he won't die. After you see him in warm's way for the 14th time, you start to not care.

I have a question, how did CTU know that Dina was dead? Did I totally miss when any of the terrorists told them? Jack sure couldn't have.

I hate to say it, but this show is really going down hill, they did the same damn old torture thing agaiin, what's wrong with truth serum or something? If they want season 5 to work at all, I say get rid of CTU and have Jack do something different, maybe as a spy or something. New characters.

I don't see what's wrong with torture, except this season has been pretty heavy in torturing the innocent or had no information. I will say that most of the last few episodes haven't been as enjoyable.

24 will be shown three times next week!!
Due to the NCAA game being played opposite 24 on Monday and it being a extremely important episode, Fox is making sure all fans get a chance to watch. So they're going back to their old ways, the episode will re-air 9/8c on Friday and Sunday. Then the non-stop season continues.
Have you heard people complain about reruns and long breaks from other shows and just remind yourself that 24 (and Alias) don't have this problem?

A new Arrested Development followed by potentially kick ass 24? Never thought would happen (favourite comedy + favourite drama) but will surely enjoy.

[slinger]

I now regret glancing at the spoiler summary for episode 17! ... this is after Air Force One was shot down, and once again the writers fooled us, every season they do this.

Okay turn back now or else you'll be truly spoiled

you've been warned

Marwan spoke of how what we do today shall change the world well he wasn't talking about killing the President. Keeler can survive the attack, all he wants is the device that is always near the President that controls America’s nuclear weapons. That's it I'm done reading spoilers! I only recently caved but I'll enjoy episodes 18-24 without any spoilers.

Now 24:The Game screenshots!!

http://www.gamespot.com/ps2/adventure/24thegame/screenindex.html

Well I'll wait for the reviews, (biased and unbiased ones) before I buy. But its been a long time coming.

[NEo881]

yeah the game looks awsome just saw the trailer its done by the same people who did primal and ghost hunter plus it seems like its stealth style type game and we know playstation is the king of stealth games with metal gear and splinter cell underneath its belt

[LOTRNUT04]

Mr. Mike Novick, once again spotted in random movies....sin city.

[ViRUs]

A new Arrested Development followed by potentially kick ass 24? Never thought would happen (favourite comedy + favourite drama) but will surely enjoy.

Heck yes, i cant wait until sunday night. Looks like im going to be spending my night infront of the TV again, instead of spending it with the girlfriend.

[slinger]

24 DAY FOUR 10:00 P.M. - 11:00 P.M.

Well the Fox Marketing Dept. once again fails. We've known for awhile that Mitch and Marwan had plans for Air Force One so it was no shock (spoiler summary or not) that Air Force One was attacked. Nowhere near as powerfull as the nuclear explosion episode as the hype made it seem to be. Yes, a US President aboard Air Force One was attacked and has little hope. If The West Wing were to kill off a President it would probably be in a hour long hospital bed goodbye due to an illness. Nothing against that show but they wouldn't have Sheen blown to bits when they can have a 'Emmy goodbye' to most of the cast in a bed.

About next week's show if you watched the credits preview they essentially gave away everything. Marwan's real target was the football containing all the codes for the nuclear arms. Marketing Dept. that's what you keep quiet and hype that episode as a twist. Also, Mike Novick had some screentime in the preview, another spoiler. I knew he was returning but I guess with the empty promise of a important episode they need something to lure viewers for next week.

Michelle must have had her first date with Bill at a country club since that's all I think off when he speaks. Sometime later in the season you know him and Tony will fight. Jack makes a housecall to [Agent Smith]Mr.Anderson's[/Agent Smith] house. Mandy II aka Nicole didn't know what she was in for. I guess with Bauer retired, terrorists and the like don't expect to run into Mr.Incredible. She wasn't getting out of there alive.

Chole's trip to the spray on tan place must have done something to her mentally, because I'm not enjoying her return. I really liked the character when she left and since she's been back only had one brief moment of hilarity when she talked to Audrey last week. Her arguements with other CTU employees bore and annoy me now.

No Curtis or Heller? Two enjoyable characters missing? I'd say these last three-four episodes haven't been up to the high standards established earlier in the season. But that happens every day for Jack Bauer. But with Novick, New VP, the football, Palmer and possibly Chase Edmonds - the Chicago Tribune confirmed but I still wouldn't start the celebration Chase/24 fans, it looks like this season will have the least amount of weak episodes and have another great ending.

Marwan just keeps on ticking. He's putting Gaines and the Drazens to shame in the longest lasting terrorist list. Sean Callery easily has himself another CD soundtrack with the scores from this season and the few left out from the first one.

24:The Game - well there is heavy involvment from those involved from the show, even getting Sutherland to plug it. Now movie/tv to game (and vice versa) haven't worked out that great in the past so I'm not expecting something incredible, but if there was a game to break the trend it would be it.

[GreenvilleTexan]

I for one am getting a bit tired of all fhe sniping, b...ing, griping and backbiting going on at CTU. Granted, there are going to be times when somebody is not going to like somebody else, but it seems nobody gives a s... about anyone else at all at this place this year. now they have Tony sniping at Michelle about her relationship with Bill. Enough with all of the marital strife this year, and enough with the Edgar/Chloe feud! Jack's girlfriend's huband is now paralyzed from the waste down. Will he walk again? Will she choose to stay with Paul or go back to Jack. Tune in next week! Jeez, it is all just too much of a soap opera.
One question. Isn't Air Force One equipped with some sort of escape pod, or have I watched too many movies? I can understand the President wanting to go down with the ship, but don't you think he'd want to try and save his son?
I missed the preview from next week, so I have no idea who survived the plane crash, but I understand the show will be shown again a couple times this week, so I'll try and catch again them.

[Ewok Droppings]

I for one am getting a bit tired of all fhe sniping, b...ing, griping and backbiting going on at CTU. Granted, there are going to be times when somebody is not going to like somebody else, but it seems nobody gives a s... about anyone else at all at this place this year. now they have Tony sniping at Michelle about her relationship with Bill. Enough with all of the marital strife this year, and enough with the Edgar/Chloe feud! Jack's girlfriend's huband is now paralyzed from the waste down. Will he walk again? Will she choose to stay with Paul or go back to Jack. Tune in next week! Jeez, it is all just too much of a soap opera.
One question. Isn't Air Force One equipped with some sort of escape pod, or have I watched too many movies? I can understand the President wanting to go down with the ship, but don't you think he'd want to try and save his son?
I missed the preview from next week, so I have no idea who survived the plane crash, but I understand the show will be shown again a couple times this week, so I'll try and catch again them.


I was sort of confused about that as well. I know that we have the stealth bomber, but for crying out loud, I think we have some technology other than radar that can pick it up. It's not completely invisible. Also when he shot down the president's plane, I kept thinking of that movie with Harrison Ford "Air Force One" and the flash bombs that they had to divert missles. I thought something like this would happen rather than a hit on AF1 which brings down the plance.

[JBond]

I was sort of confused about that as well. I know that we have the stealth bomber, but for crying out loud, I think we have some technology other than radar that can pick it up. It's not completely invisible. Also when he shot down the president's plane, I kept thinking of that movie with Harrison Ford "Air Force One" and the flash bombs that they had to divert missles. I thought something like this would happen rather than a hit on AF1 which brings down the plance.

Personally, I was thinking about one of the levels in the N64 game "Perfect Dark"...if anyone knows what I'm talking about.

Yeeeah, I was real disapointed with the "twist" that I, and I'm sure all of us, knew was going to happen at least 3 episodes ago, do they really think we're that stupid to not be able to figure it out?

[iv3rdawG]

Personally, I was thinking about one of the levels in the N64 game "Perfect Dark"...if anyone knows what I'm talking about.

Yeeeah, I was real disapointed with the "twist" that I, and I'm sure all of us, knew was going to happen at least 3 episodes ago, do they really think we're that stupid to not be able to figure it out?
ya Perfect Dark owns.. The episode for next week with the plain going down in "flames" if you can call them that. It looks like someone drew them in MS Paint

[poashaggy69]

I'm thinking about discontinuing watching this show. Most of the elemnts have become predictable and the show is poorly acted. Yeah, and that flame from the plane, has got to be the fakest thing I've seen on screen since "Clash of the Titans".

[GreenvilleTexan]

You have to wonder if the US Air Force would put up a plane it couldn't shoot down, or at least find. How, exactly, then, do we track them in Iraq/Afghanistan, etc.?
So, we've survived a train wreck, a nuclear meltdown, an EMP and Air Force One being blown out of the sky. And that's just this season.
What's on tap for next year? Radioactive germs?

[JBond]

We track them by communication, usually the pilot flying a Stealth Bomber won't betray us and go silent.

[panzertank]

I liked the ending, but i was just thinkn that maybe he should of blown something else up. That would have been a suprise. If you watch, jack and him never discuss blowing up air force one. I don't know what else he could have blown up, been trying to think about it. It would have been one of those wtf momments is 24. But its ok, bring on Palmer, all state ins. sux

[GreenvilleTexan]

We track them by communication, usually the pilot flying a Stealth Bomber won't betray us and go silent.

I guess, but it is just hard for me to believe that we send these admittedly high-tech aircraft thousands of miles overseas and have absolutely no way of knowing where they are.

[ViRUs]

I'm thinking about discontinuing watching this show. Most of the elemnts have become predictable and the show is poorly acted. Yeah, and that flame from the plane, has got to be the fakest thing I've seen on screen since "Clash of the Titans".




Geez guys give this show somewhat of a break. We might of saw the twist but we are all losers that have nothing better to do between mondays than talk about 24. I'm not speaking for everyone but I'm sure not a lot of people saw that coming.

Even if they did, did you actually think he was going to go through with it? I for one thought that it would be stopped in 24 like style. Either Jack would talk him down, or a fighter pilot would see the missle and take the hit, or accidently take it. I dont know, i actualy didnt think that Air Force One was actually going to get hit though.

[panzertank]

Yeah, them actually blowing up air force one was huge. Thats what I love about this show, time and again they show Jack stopping things such as assasination attempt against palmer. Then all of a sudden, the nuclear bomb really goes off. The virus is released into a building. Now this. I can't wait till next week, I think the pres is dead, just look at the crash site in the preview. GO JACK BAUER POWER HOUR!!!

[Boiiinng]

Air Force One did not get hit. It was an indirect hit because the missile hit one of the jets and the explosion probably caused a break in the cabin and now that pressure is gone it has to make an emergency landing. If AF1 did get hit directly there would be no emergency landing tonight because the plane would not be there.

[PapaRoachRules]

can't wait for the new episode. i hear it is supposed to be the best episode of the season

[LOTRNUT04]

^boy, i hope so

[LOTRNUT04]

i found a great discussion on the official site forum about how to better 24...any fan should check it out...everyone posting is a big fan since the first season, so its a serious discussion in the best interest of the show, pretty interesting/valid stuff any fan should check it out.

[LOTRNUT04]

here's the link, it should work...

http://forums.prospero.com/fox24/messages/?start=Start+Reading+%3E%3E

[GreenvilleTexan]

This didn't work the first time I tried it.
Why do you have the "air support" flying around, but only have it take out the jeeps AFTER the terrorists leave? You know the nuclear football is inside, you know the terrorists are in the jeeps, you can't allow them to escape, so take out the vehicles before they get in. Pretty poor lapse in judgment there.

[slinger]

here's the link, it should work...

http://forums.prospero.com/fox24/messages/?start=Start+Reading+%3E%3E

Been going there since Day One, 12am-1am.

I've changed my opinion about Heller. He's not behind it, but he very well could be apart of it. Who has the most to gain? VP Logan. Either he wanted Keeler to die or he's pulling a Syndrome and will stop whatever threats happen and he gets all the glory while Keeler sits in the hospital. Logan helps out his 'buddies etc. Keeler doesn't run for re-election or Logan wins the party's nomination in a 'surprise' move. Now that's speculation, I just think that Logan being nervous is an act and that Novick will distract us. Why bring him back?

[FVD]

Wow Season 4 is shaping up to be a great Season so far. I've just finished watching the 6pm-7pm hour where the EMP set off everything within the area of that building. And Michelle is back. WOOHOO!!!!

Just starting to watch 7-8 now. Time to see Tony and Michelle reunited again :D

[Boods]

last episode was good, not the best one and still pretty predictable. there is a lot of controversy on the helicopter taking down the cars issue. why didnt it just take both cars out? why didnt it follow the other car when it shot the first one? marwan could have been captured easily there!! but i guess the writers of 24 couldn't find any other good way to get their story to work out the way they wanted it to. maybe the helicopter could have left and jack shoot the tires of one car which made marwan impossible to catch but then why would the helicopter leave? i guess its pretty hard to find a perfectly logical way to get this to work. anyway its okay i love this season's story and the fact that its still marwan behind it all. not changing bad guys every couple episodes like previous seasons.
tony and michelle back together soon? definitely
audrey and jack splitting up? probably
mike novick acting like a weasel again? oh yeah
palmer back soon? definitely
president logan is an idiot? definitely
keeler is not dead? why not?
where is heller?
is there a bigger bad guy? prado or what not?
jack bauer resigns to be able to torture a man? **** yeah !!!

[GreenvilleTexan]

Why would Jack have to retire? Torture is part of his job description! :D

[slinger]

Why would Jack have to retire? Torture is part of his job description! :D

President Logan won't allow it and Jack needs to torture someone who is guilty.

[LOTRNUT04]

logan...what a bitc*

[GreenvilleTexan]

President Logan won't allow it and Jack needs to torture someone who is guilty.
Someone like Paul, maybe?
Like Jack is going to listen to the President, or anyone else, when it comes to National Security. By God, Bauer should be President! ;)

[FVD]

I can't wait to see David Palmer again. He showed how to be a President. And Mike Novick is back. That was a surprise seeing we never saw him last season.

When that Stealth bomber took out Air Force One I was like :omg:

FVD.

[FVD]

Oops post edited :D

[ViRUs]

this is kind off topic but i once heard that Kieffer is voicing a character on the simpsons, (or maybe it was family guy). Anyways i heard it a long time ago and never heard anything about it again. Did i just dream this or is this actually happening?


Back to 24, the last episode was pretty good. I didnt really like the stupid couple there, i dont blame her for speaking out like that, but could you really trust a terrorist?

I dont know what it is, but Jack Bauer and partners dont mix very well this season. The count is up to what, 3 people died working for him? and Paul got shot working with him too. I guess only Chase can make it work.

[Karma Dog]

I think it was Family Guy. It starts in May (1st). And I'm pretty sure he's either playing Jack Bauer or making fun of his character in some way. I'll try to find something on it.

[slinger]

Last fall this was brought up that yes, the character Jack Bauer would appear on Family Guy this season.

[Karma Dog]

...but Jack Bauer and partners dont mix very well this season. ...I guess only Chase can make it work.

He still got his arm chopped off. By Jack no less.

[ViRUs]

thats going to hilarious. I love 24, and a huge fan of Jack Bauer, but you have to admit that it can be easily made fun of. Thanks guys.

[Karma Dog]

I agree, 24 rocks but its ripe for some teasing.

[LOTRNUT04]

i think you guys are right about family guy. But, i heard that they were spoofing 24 in general, not necessarily Jack.

[LOTRNUT04]

i also stubbled onto something else just now by accident. I read a spoiler...idiot. So now, im going to spoil anyone else who can't resist ;). Seriously, don't read...its not worth it! A classic 24 villain returns at the end of the season. And no, it's not Dina. She's really, really dead." Philly from the message board visited the set and took this photo of Mia Kirschner aka MANDY. (there was a pic above this) Isn't that exciting...couple more days.

[Boiiinng]

i also stubbled onto something else just now by accident. I read a spoiler...idiot. So now, im going to spoil anyone else who can't resist ;). Seriously, don't read...its not worth it! A classic 24 villain returns at the end of the season. And no, it's not Dina. She's really, really dead." Philly from the message board visited the set and took this photo of Mia Kirschner aka MANDY. (there was a pic above this) Isn't that exciting...couple more days.


Bout time, maybe we'll finally find out who that ***** is and why she keeps popping up like this.

[vision_afar]

I'm trying to stay out of this thread because we're yet to see season 4 here. But I was just wondering if it's better than 2 or 3?

[JBond]

Not even close if you want my opinion ;)

[iv3rdawG]

I'm trying to stay out of this thread because we're yet to see season 4 here. But I was just wondering if it's better than 2 or 3?
I didnt watch 2, but 3 is better by far

[LOTRNUT04]

disagree...4 is better than 3, 2 is better than both, and 1 is better than all.

[slinger]

i think you guys are right about family guy. But, i heard that they were spoofing 24 in general, not necessarily Jack.

Kiefer Sutherland will guest star, so Jack will be shown. They better have the clock and split screens at commercials.

[FVD]

LOL that would be funny especially for Family Guy. :) When is the episode gonna air btw?

[PapaRoachRules]

maybe it'll be the premere episode. sounds like it'll be funny, like at the end with the clock.

[Boods]

Tonight's episode was good again. I love this season, its just all insane.
The preview for next week was amazing, someone big returns. It's amazing!

There was a commercial for the new episode of family guy on May 1st and they made fun of Jack Bauer saying how he doesn't go to the toilet during 24hours or something. It was pretty funny. Can't wait for the return of Family Guy.

[panzertank]

In response before, i would say this is better than three, not as good as one or two. Don't hate me, but Mike Novik doesn't seem to be such a bad guy this time around, at least compared to Logan, coughidiotcough. At least he knew what the right move was. On another note, I have a feeling something bad is going to happen to Edgar in one of the next episode. He just seems to be losing more and more of his sanity in each episode.

[GreenvilleTexan]

I dunno ... I'm starting to lose interest in this whole season, for a few reasons.
Mainly is the constant sniping between the CTU folks. I am getting particularly tired of the Chloe/Edgar dynamic. I'm assuming that Edgar is about to go completely off the edge, or if not, all this build-up has been pointless and we have been subjected to weeks of whining and carping for no reason. Chloe on her own was a refreshing dose of crankiness last season. This season the two of them together are just getting on my nerves.
Two, I am having a hard sense sustaining my sense of disbelief when every single week there is a new threat which is supposedly larger than all the others. We've had nuclear meltdowns, train wrecks, EMPs, Air Force One being shot down and now a stolen nuclear war head. I am beginning to lose interest in what's next.
Three, the terrorists are beginning to make CTU look pretty incompetent (see above). Marwan is the most well-connected terrorist on the face of the Earth. In the space of 10 minutes, he was able to have an international rights attorney on the scene of a top secret anti-terrorist organization, accompanied by a U.S. Marshal, no less.
And finally, four. Bauer, "Boss, let me resign (again) so that I can go rogue (again) and do the sort of stuff I should have been doing the past 18 hours."
Buchanan: "Okey dokey!"
Bauer's resume must look pretty crappy. How many times in the last four seasons has he resigned, quit, been fired, gone dark, or whatever?
Wasn't he only at CTU on a provisional basis anyway, on loan from DOD? If so, did he really have to ask Buchanan's permission to resign? Does this mean he is resigning from both posts?
Add in some of the lapses in logic I've mentioned in earlier posts and I am just not feeling the tension and drama of the earlier three seasons. Maybe with Palmer coming back, things will get better.

[slinger]

I dunno ... I'm starting to lose interest in this whole season, for a few reasons.
Mainly is the constant sniping between the CTU folks. I am getting particularly tired of the Chloe/Edgar dynamic. I'm assuming that Edgar is about to go completely off the edge, or if not, all this build-up has been pointless and we have been subjected to weeks of whining and carping for no reason. Chloe on her own was a refreshing dose of crankiness last season. This season the two of them together are just getting on my nerves.
Two, I am having a hard sense sustaining my sense of disbelief when every single week there is a new threat which is supposedly larger than all the others. We've had nuclear meltdowns, train wrecks, EMPs, Air Force One being shot down and now a stolen nuclear war head. I am beginning to lose interest in what's next.
Three, the terrorists are beginning to make CTU look pretty incompetent (see above). Marwan is the most well-connected terrorist on the face of the Earth. In the space of 10 minutes, he was able to have an international rights attorney on the scene of a top secret anti-terrorist organization, accompanied by a U.S. Marshal, no less.
And finally, four. Bauer, "Boss, let me resign (again) so that I can go rogue (again) and do the sort of stuff I should have been doing the past 18 hours."
Buchanan: "Okey dokey!"
Bauer's resume must look pretty crappy. How many times in the last four seasons has he resigned, quit, been fired, gone dark, or whatever?
Wasn't he only at CTU on a provisional basis anyway, on loan from DOD? If so, did he really have to ask Buchanan's permission to resign? Does this mean he is resigning from both posts?
Add in some of the lapses in logic I've mentioned in earlier posts and I am just not feeling the tension and drama of the earlier three seasons. Maybe with Palmer coming back, things will get better.


I think Jack would have an excellent resume. Saving Senator Palmer's life, killing the Drazen family, taking the nuclear bomb into the desert, finding out the truth behind the Cyprus recordings, killing traitor Nina Meyers, stopping the last vial of the virus from being released, finding the overide, etc.

Where do you work? Don't people whine, *****, moan and fight? And have they lost their mother to a terrorist attack that very day? Its not my favourite part of the show but in all the craziness that goes around I sometimes like people arguing over silly things.

I believe once we know who truly is behind it Logan? China? Max? and what the true motives are, all the threats will make sense. Marwan explained to Jack that his only real goal was to get the nuclear football (well he didn't tell him that just that they were preparing for the next attack, which didn't pan out fully) and that the previous ones were just so the next threat could occur. The problem I had was they were able to find the convoy so quickly, that could've happened at the end of the episode.

Twenty-Four / Day Four / 12:00 A.M. - 1:00 A.M.

Well I guess after last night's episode we can forget that President Logan is involved. He's just a big wuss. So they're bringing Mr.All-State Palmer next week to advise Logan. I'm guessing Mike gets to make the call. It would've been great for Palmer to actually team up with Jack but I guess there is always season five. Joe Prado's lawyer (Shrug or Harry) I'm guessing didn't pick up the Jack Bauer Time Magazine Man of the Decade issue but his client will have to spend of his terrorist money on a hospital stay.

Tony and Michelle are heading for some makeout time I bet in a future episode. before they go out in the field, that season finale spoiler I posted a few weeks ago looks like it may come true I thought I wouldn't like the Bill character but so far he's been good..... Jack snubs Aurdrey and that promo for next week just seemed to make things worse for Audrey/Jack. And to think they were so happy *cue porno music* on the special preview on the season three DVD. Ain't It Cool News says that season five is a lock. Season four started off great it did sag a bit just after the first half but basically the same core of writers/directors have crafted another excellent season. I just hope that someone comes to there senses and says season five will be the last. Which would be sad, unlike the show ending after one or two seasons but as I said before go out when the majority still want more 24. If 24:The Game is a hit then Jack Bauer could still live on (Operation Nightfall?).

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6 Episodes Left in 5 Weeks!

[Karma Dog]

The one thing I agree on is the bickering like Jr High schoolers. Man if I was Michelle or Buchanan I'd be slapping some of those A.D.D. brats around and telling them to do their job.... but the fun of 24 is being able to suspend disbelief and while every episode introduces a bigger and more insurmountable problem, at least we don't have anyone getting amnesia or stuck in bear traps.

Bring on the former President!!!!

[GreenvilleTexan]

I was being ironic about the resume ... It is just one more plot cliche which comes up, that at least once a season, Jack is faced with an impossible roadblock from the higher-ups and has to resign/get fired/go rogue to fix it. As soon as the president said he couldn't interrogate Prado, I said to myself, "Jack is going to kidnap him." Am I the only one who thought the same thing?

[JBond]

Oh, I really liked how they had trouble with the terrorists cause of "mountain terrain". Cause you know...there's alot of mountain terrain in IOWA.

[LOTRNUT04]

didn't they intercept somewhere before iowa? I dont know it that place would have mountains either, but...

[JBond]

It might have been in Illinois, and anyone who's had to drive through Illinois knows it's as flat as Iowa.

[slinger]

I was being ironic about the resume ... It is just one more plot cliche which comes up, that at least once a season, Jack is faced with an impossible roadblock from the higher-ups and has to resign/get fired/go rogue to fix it. As soon as the president said he couldn't interrogate Prado, I said to myself, "Jack is going to kidnap him." Am I the only one who thought the same thing?

S1 - CTU considered him a mole, 'working' for Gaines
S2 - Brought back, goes against Chappelle
S3 - Kidnaps Salazar = wanted man but not really

I already knew from the credits preview the week before.

[Ewok Droppings]

If (now) President Logan is not involved in some way, then he will somehow die a horrible death in the show. I just don't see why they would make him so whiney with no purpose other than making the audience want to ***** slap him. I think he is either involved or will get nailed somehow in the end.

[ViRUs]

I really dont know what could come in a season 5. I cant really thing of any other way for CTU to save the U.S.

I think they should go back in time and have Jack Bauer in that operation nightfall, or something like that. I'm pretty sure thats the name, anyways i think season 4 kind of proves that you can only stretch a terrorist attack so far.

[slinger]

If (now) President Logan is not involved in some way, then he will somehow die a horrible death in the show. I just don't see why they would make him so whiney with no purpose other than making the audience want to ***** slap him. I think he is either involved or will get nailed somehow in the end.

About Logan's death
I don't know if this would be lame or incredible but what if Mandy actually finds a way at the end and kills Logan?

[slinger]

I really dont know what could come in a season 5. I cant really thing of any other way for CTU to save the U.S.

I think they should go back in time and have Jack Bauer in that operation nightfall, or something like that. I'm pretty sure thats the name, anyways i think season 4 kind of proves that you can only stretch a terrorist attack so far.

The writers thought of doing that and the big reveal that it would be a prequel would be that Mason walks into the office a few episodes into the season. Which would be amazing except we know the ending and who dies/lives. Atleast in a present day season five Jack Bauer could die where in the Nightfall prequel we know Drazen, Saunders and Jack actually survive and everyone else doesn't. But it might make for a great video game prequel.

I'm sure the writers will take even more time to figure out what they could do to top this season and previous one's.

[LOTRNUT04]

I really dont know what could come in a season 5. I cant really thing of any other way for CTU to save the U.S.

I think they should go back in time and have Jack Bauer in that operation nightfall, or something like that. I'm pretty sure thats the name, anyways i think season 4 kind of proves that you can only stretch a terrorist attack so far.
thats the problem, 24 isn't about CTU or even Jack Bauer (but, realistically, he has to stay). 24 is about time, real-time. The things that make me feel like im watching 24 are the clock, the split-screens, and the music. I def. agree with you. Season four was shaping up to be really good, but then it jumped ship. It is now too much, they are making sure every couple episodes has a catastorphe to deal with, which doesn't really make sense, and really, isn't as entertaining. I really think that the writers should go back and watch season 1 before thinking up season 5. There should be more of an espionage factor involved, you can have a terrorist plot without it wreaking havoc on hundreds of millions of people (i.e. season 1). Just because nothing blows up in an episode, doesn't make it dull [anyone remember the episode where Jack takes the waitress hostage? He just talks with her for about 45 min, most of the show. It wasn't any more boring (in my opinion) than any other episode, it creates tension]...

[JBond]

I'm sure the writers will take even more time to figure out what they could do to top this season and previous one's.

No, I think they're going to wing it like they did with this season. Write it as they go along, and when they get bored of a plot after 2 episodes, go to something new, because "that's what the audiences want".

[GreenvilleTexan]

I also get the feeling they are "winging it" this season. Remember a few episodes ago, the defense contractors who set off the EMP? Apparently no one is even bothering to look for them, even though they had a direct connection to the terrorists and, oh, they crippled the city. Maybe they'll be back in season five. :rolleyes:
I know I've been griping a lot recently. Don't get me wrong, I still think 24 is an amazing show and one of the best on the air. I just think the writers have written themselves into more than one corner this season and are having a heck of a time getting out.

[slinger]

No, I think they're going to wing it like they did with this season. Write it as they go along, and when they get bored of a plot after 2 episodes, go to something new, because "that's what the audiences want".

I just meant that the start of the season they would think more how the first half would start.
They've always written it as they go along. Which is either good or bad, depends how you look on it. They didn't even know how episodes 23 and 24 were going end when they were about to shoot 21 and 22. But I won't deciede how this season ranks until I've watched the season finale and survived my panic attack.

[JBond]

Well of course, NO series is written one season at a time. But when it comes to a drama series they shoudl have a good idea of how the plot is going to progress along the series. Like I dont know how they do it, but I would have a big bullitin board with 24 columns and plot lines on the left and try to keep things correct and consistent. They've been bringing things up and then ditching them like someone said about the company that didn't want to get busted for employing a terrorist. They shoudl have one main theme, and no more than maybe...3 large stories. (Like in Season 1: assassination, kidnapping, mother/Nina/Jack....I dunno, that's off he top of my head as the top 3). But not only are they going from huge story to the next, but most of them are new terrorist plans...there should be only one. If they can't think of a new terrorist threat for a whole season, they shoudl cancel the series. For a long time it seemed like the big thing was about causing meltdowns, then that failed...but what happened? Miraculously within the same day they were able to shoot down Air Force One, get nuclear codes, steal a nuclear weapon, and try to blow up Chicago or something. Like another person said...it's making CTU look pretty bad.

I'm starting to rant/vent so I'll stop now, but if they want the show to continue sucessfully, they really need to revamp the show. Personally, I'd get rid of CTU. Completely. Give Jack Bauer a new, but similar, job. Maybe a season where he is abroad, we need new scenery. If I see one more person get tortured, or two more people bickering about authority in CTU, I'm going to shoot someone.

[slinger]

Well perhaps another agency took care of the EMP Bomb? LAPD? That's not priority number one right now for CTU.

But no Behrooz sendoff? That's bugged me. Maybe in a future episode something will happen but atleast show us him getting killed etc. Andrew Paige for sure since he's probably in a hospital bed (why wasn't Chloe there?) but Behrooz's girlfriend died in his arms as they tried to escape, killed a man sent to kill him, killed his own father, said goodbye to his mother who made a deal that would salvage some of his life and then was traded for another person where he most likely wasn't going to live. Just two minutes, that's what made the start of the season so great was this family.

I do agree as posted that season five should simplify things. Season one was personal and it wasn't until season two where things escalated (CTU bombing, nuclear bomb, possible middle east war). Jack Bauer becomes a Texas Ranger how about that?

[GreenvilleTexan]

Granted, maybe the defense contractors aren't priority number one right now, I was just saying there is a plot thread which was prominent for what, two or three episodes, then is just abandoned. The whole reason they set off the bomb was they were worried about CTU finding out their connection to the terrorists and suddenly no one is looking for them. It is just irritating that the writers came up with this whole plotline that went nowhere.
The same thing with the Behrooz situation. If I am Behrooz, right about now I would want to be taking out my frustrations on somebody or some thing. It might be more interesting to watch then yet another scene or Tony/Michelle's anguish or Chloe/Edward's sniping at one another.
I've always gotten the impression Marwan and the other terrorists had this whole scenario in mind, begin with the train wreck and then escalate from there. Although, you have to wonder how they had planned to top the nuclear meltdown of the entire United States ...

[thebtskink]

I don't know why people place season one on such a high pedestal. The writers initially only being signed for 12 eps really showed. The assassination plot was good the first half, but by the end, it was clear that stretching one plot over the entire season can't work. (Terri's amnesia, rehashing kim kidnap, Tony suddenly discovering video footage of Nina killing Jamie after the mole thing being resolved for about 15 episdoes) Don't get me wrong, I love the surprise ending, but Season one shows the perils of stretching one plot too far.

Season 3 and 4, on the other hand, show the danger in changing story arcs too often. It gets rid of credibility. Personally, I think season 4 would have benefitted from keeping the trial going on longer, then maybe switching to the missile threat. Season 2 struck the perfect balance between small and large numbers of threats-- keeping it relatively small allowed the writers to explore the Warner family, Sayed Ali, and Mason in depth in the first half, and the Tony/Jack dynamic, Palmer's trial, Sherry's vengeance, mass hysteria, and racism in the latter half without rehashing the same ideas over and over again.

[slinger]

Granted, maybe the defense contractors aren't priority number one right now, I was just saying there is a plot thread which was prominent for what, two or three episodes, then is just abandoned. The whole reason they set off the bomb was they were worried about CTU finding out their connection to the terrorists and suddenly no one is looking for them. It is just irritating that the writers came up with this whole plotline that went nowhere.
The same thing with the Behrooz situation. If I am Behrooz, right about now I would want to be taking out my frustrations on somebody or some thing. It might be more interesting to watch then yet another scene or Tony/Michelle's anguish or Chloe/Edward's sniping at one another.
I've always gotten the impression Marwan and the other terrorists had this whole scenario in mind, begin with the train wreck and then escalate from there. Although, you have to wonder how they had planned to top the nuclear meltdown of the entire United States ...

I'm thinking the Air Force One thing was a Plan B. We know the Araz Family was waiting for this for what? Five, six years? So Marwan and whoever is backing Marwan was probably planning another five to ten years before that. Can't remember the background info given on him but they knew their ****. If you're going to really make an impact (Saunders & Marwan seem to have) you better do your homework.

[slinger]

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I don't know why people place season one on such a high pedestal. The writers initially only being signed for 12 eps really showed. The assassination plot was good the first half, but by the end, it was clear that stretching one plot over the entire season can't work. (Terri's amnesia, rehashing kim kidnap, Tony suddenly discovering video footage of Nina killing Jamie after the mole thing being resolved for about 15 episdoes) Don't get me wrong, I love the surprise ending, but Season one shows the perils of stretching one plot too far.


Why do I love season one so much? Well I have to say season two is a close, close second. The Palmer/Mandy Handshake left us hanging and to have essentially everything wrapped up to start season three sucked. Its like Jack Bauer getting hit by a car and then cut to the clock. WTF?! What's going to happen? Season three = Jack is perfect.

Palmer was just shown taking his medicine from his doctor/girlfriend. With Terri's death it changed the Jack Bauer character, it was a shocker, she was pregnant, and she really was dead and just cemented the show's status.

Jack actually found the Nina/Jamie footage after he found out Nina lied to him. He needed that as evidence to beat the **** out of Yelena.

The first season just had that freshness thing going for it. The clock, the music, the cliffhangers, the action, the narrow escapes, the twists etc. Palmer was still just a senator, Jack couldn't call him up and get whatever he wanted. Plus everything seemed fine besides the threat on his life, but then Palmer had to deal with the rape incident and his perfect on the outside/evil on the inside wife.

Season one had Milo and besides Michelle and Chloe I don't think CTU has had more enjoyable employees. Edgar Stiles probably has done more good but c'mon its Milo, Jack never had to distract Edgar.

Dennis Haysbert and a baseball bat see 24:Season 1 and Major League.
[no 24 season 2 :(] It was a personal story to Jack/Palmer while the rest have had some elements (Saunders, Nina and Sherry appearences, Heller kidnapping) but we're given the impression that someone wants to kill Palmer and that Jack's family has been kidnapped to strengthen their chances of success.

Then we find out Jack and Palmer had a prior connection, Operation Nightfall. Jack and Palmer meet (remember that awesome promo of Palmer entering CTU?) don't get along at first then once things are cleared they're the best of buds. How tension filled was that episode in the hotel with Alexis and Elisabeth with CTU in the next room?

Remember how Jack was mentioned blowing the whistle on three agents? Well they bring that back in one episode with a character. Then there was the who is the mole thing with Nina/Tony/Mason. He can't be the mole yadayadayada, oh but look at what he just did, Nina can't be it etc. Jack and Mason together looking for that prison? 24 has never had a better duo than Jack and Mason. Forget Chase, Tony, Nina etc Mason was the perfect partner for Bauer. Jack and that secret underground prison with like 5 people? vs 12 of the Drazen's. The Drazens giving Jack a cellphone (with a bomb) telling them to meet Palmer or else Kim dies - brilliant.

Nina escaping from CTU, we've seen that happen to a few characters in every season since, sometimes twice. It's all because of season one that we either hate/love characters like: Kim, Chappelle, Mason, Nina, Sherry, Novick and Tony.

Now yes Terri losing her memory and ending up in a place where she went with a ex-boyfriend was :rolleyes: Kim seeking out Rick, well she didn't trust CTU (safehouse attacked) and her best friend was dead so it pretty much had to be him. Getting arrested wasn't that great, it was a twist, but who didn't enjoy the whole Kim/Rick's girlfriend fight in jail? Getting kidnapped again was a stretch, I'd have to watch that episode again. But despite Kim/Terri characters bringing the show down in the 2nd half Jack, Mason, Palmer, Sherry, Tony, Nina all made up for it. I might get into season two another day. Kim was just out of control that season and the writer's didn't wise up until they left her out in the final few episodes.
Anyway they're both great and if I could only take one season dvd set with me I'd take two's but because of the extras.

[LOTRNUT04]

I don't know why people place season one on such a high pedestal. The writers initially only being signed for 12 eps really showed. The assassination plot was good the first half, but by the end, it was clear that stretching one plot over the entire season can't work. (Terri's amnesia, rehashing kim kidnap, Tony suddenly discovering video footage of Nina killing Jamie after the mole thing being resolved for about 15 episdoes) Don't get me wrong, I love the surprise ending, but Season one shows the perils of stretching one plot too far.

Season 3 and 4, on the other hand, show the danger in changing story arcs too often. It gets rid of credibility. Personally, I think season 4 would have benefitted from keeping the trial going on longer, then maybe switching to the missile threat. Season 2 struck the perfect balance between small and large numbers of threats-- keeping it relatively small allowed the writers to explore the Warner family, Sayed Ali, and Mason in depth in the first half, and the Tony/Jack dynamic, Palmer's trial, Sherry's vengeance, mass hysteria, and racism in the latter half without rehashing the same ideas over and over again.
because it WAS the best, in my opinion. they weren't signed to do 12, they were signed to do 24 then cancelled, then resigned. The writers had to resolve everything on short notice, and then start over. Even with that mishap, it was still a better season than the rest. You most certainly can stretch one plotline (i think season 1 proves it and just think how well it would have flowed if they hadn't been cancelled), and for season 5 (with them knowing that they will have 24 episodes to work with) they should work with that same idea.

[slinger]

because it WAS the best, in my opinion. they weren't signed to do 12, they were signed to do 24 then cancelled, then resigned. The writers had to resolve everything on short notice, and then start over. Even with that mishap, it was still a better season than the rest. You most certainly can stretch one plotline (i think season 1 proves it and just think how well it would have flowed if they hadn't been cancelled), and for season 5 (with them knowing that they will have 24 episodes to work with) they should work with that same idea.

I don't recall 24 ever being cancelled. There was a possibility. But they were picked up for the usual 13 episodes that essentially most dramas/sitcoms get. Everything is wrapped up in the 13th episode, but their order was increased to so they would get 24 episodes. They of course had to write and film the episodes so they didn't know how the ratings would be so they made sure that atleast they could get an ending.

[ViRUs]

I don't recall 24 ever being cancelled. There was a possibility. But they were picked up for the usual 13 episodes that essentially most dramas/sitcoms get. Everything is wrapped up in the 13th episode, but their order was increased to so they would get 24 episodes. They of course had to write and film the episodes so they didn't know how the ratings would be so they made sure that atleast they could get an ending.


I think your right, i dont remember 24 ever being cancelled either. Then again i didnt watch the first season on fox so i dont know. I did read in a interview once from like a producer or something, and he basically said what you ust said right here.

[LOTRNUT04]

i swear i read something about it getting shafted or potentially shafted...?, so they had to wrap things up with the killing of gaines and the rescue of the family. Then they were resigned (probably not the right word) for the rest.

Slinger that could be what i heard and im just exaggerating it. All i know for sure is that for some reason everything was resolved in that one episode (which may or may not have been what they had wanted to do).

[Boiiinng]

I don't recall 24 ever being cancelled. There was a possibility. But they were picked up for the usual 13 episodes that essentially most dramas/sitcoms get. Everything is wrapped up in the 13th episode, but their order was increased to so they would get 24 episodes. They of course had to write and film the episodes so they didn't know how the ratings would be so they made sure that atleast they could get an ending.

Most network television dramas/sitcoms are contracted to do 20 to 22 shows per season.

For 24's first season, they were contracted to do the first 12. Then if the ratings were worth it, they would be cleared for the remaining 12 shows. But I'm pretty sure they found out they were allowed to continue the series by the time the 4th or 5th episode aired.

[AshtonFoster]

I havent watched 24 until yesterday for like a month as my PC was down (Damn England, we're like 5 episodes behind)...but I got it fixed yesterday, and I watched episode 14-18 of season 4 in one day. Best day of my life.....I love this season so far, and I cant wait for Palmers appearance.

[Boiiinng]

As of tonight's episode, Chloe RULES!!!

[JBond]

I liked tonight's episode, although I think they rushed the idea of Chole being in the field, it was still an amazing finale.

[PapaRoachRules]

I liked tonight's episode, although I think they rushed the idea of Chole being in the field, it was still an amazing finale.


What do you mean finale http://www.comingsoon.net/forums/images/icons/icon5.gif

[JBond]

I meant the finale of the episode. Chloe being chased into the car which later gets rammed, and then her with the assult rifle.

[PapaRoachRules]

for some reason i was thinking you were talking about the finale of the season.

anyways i don't think i have yelled at the TV more then i have tonight. When Logan had Jack arrested i was so pissed at him. i would have givin' permission right away. but he felt that this guy didn't need to have that sort of treatment. of course if it weren't because of him, they would've had Morwan. but that was cool how Chloe was useing the assault rifle. my friend, Cody thinks that Logan is behind it all. but i honestly disagree. but anyway i think that this was one of the best episodes in this season.

[LOTRNUT04]

this episode was weird for me...im the biggest 24 fan there is, but tonight was different for me, dont really know how to explain...I loved the scenes with jack, bill, audrey(w/ jack), and curtis. I also loved the entire raid for marwan with the SS guy having to arrest Jack. Jack screaming: DAMNIT...WE HAD HIM! Was excellent. However, the middle lacked, (logan makes me so angry), pres palmer, i thought should have had a bigger introduction (although the one he had was great, i love palmer). But, the biggest problem was the chloe/edgar fued. I started the series liking edgar, but now he is so f-ing annoying that i just want him killed off. Chloe was great once outside CTU, loved that. But, same as edgar (possibly because of edgar), her griping is just too much. Looking forward to Edgars untimely death...

first half of episode - 8
next quarter - 2
final - 7

overall - 17/30...stupid third quarter

[PapaRoachRules]

this episode was weird for me...im the biggest 24 fan there is, but tonight was different for me, dont really know how to explain...I loved the scenes with jack, bill, audrey(w/ jack), and curtis. I also loved the entire raid for marwan with the SS guy having to arrest Jack. Jack screaming: DAMNIT...WE HAD HIM! Was excellent. However, the middle lacked, (logan makes me so angry), pres palmer, i thought should have had a bigger introduction (although the one he had was great, i love palmer). But, the biggest problem was the chloe/edgar fued. I started the series liking edgar, but now he is so f-ing annoying that i just want him killed off. Chloe was great once outside CTU, loved that. But, same as edgar (possibly because of edgar), her griping is just too much. Looking forward to Edgars untimely death...



well you gotta understand that edgars mom just died and he wants the terriosts to pay. and yes i agree with you about logan. having jack arrested and ****. if he had let them do there thing they would have morwan. in a way that's gotta make you wonder if he somehow involved.

[JBond]

first half of episode - 8
next quarter - 2
final - 7

overall - 17/30...stupid third quarter

Sorry, as a math nerd I have to point out that counting 8, 2, and 7 up to equal 30 doesn't make any sense since the "8" stands for half of the episode while the other scores only count for quarters. You should count "8" twice and get 25/40.

[LOTRNUT04]

you're right, didn't even think about it...good catch ;)

[FVD]

I'll be watching the episode tomorrow. I can't wait to see Palmer.

[Ewok Droppings]

Did anyone understand what was really written on the sheet behind Marwan? I am curious if it is an advertisement for McDonalds in Arabic.

[slinger]

I meant the finale of the episode. Chloe being chased into the car which later gets rammed, and then her with the assult rifle.

Probably the most forced finale in the show's history. Chole should've left right after the 1st phone call, not 10 minutes before the hour and arriving with 5 minutes left. They could've turned it into a real cliffhanger with Marwan's associate killing the two agents and the two running away. That's it, cue the clock, resolve it at the start of the next episode. Still it was tense and kinda funny.

5 Episodes Left! Remember, 2 hour finale!

So now we know why Prado was never offered a deal or immunity, so Jack could break the law, Logan has a hissy fit, Marwan escapes again and Palmer is brought in as a ghost president.

[JBond]

Probably the most forced finale in the show's history. Chole should've left right after the 1st phone call, not 10 minutes before the hour and arriving with 5 minutes left. They could've turned it into a real cliffhanger with Marwan's associate killing the two agents and the two running away. That's it, cue the clock, resolve it at the start of the next episode. Still it was tense and kinda funny.

You have to wonder when someone will finally say "Hey...weird **** keeps happening on the hour" Then everyone would start to worry 55 minutes after the hour. ;)

But I'm sure Jack can just say "Don't worry, the crazy **** started at about 7 am, it'll be resolved soon"

[ViRUs]

Good episode, its a shame that Curtis isnt being used too much, i like him. I didnt like him at first, but hes come around on me.

This is the time where 24 starts to turn around any doubts that people have. The next 5 hours are going to be intense i cant wait.

I loved the line by Jack "You blew this mission." It was something like that, but it was a good line.

Ok, im rambling now, plus i have to go to class now. CHLOE RULES!!!

[Ewok Droppings]

Good episode, its a shame that Curtis isnt being used too much, i like him. I didnt like him at first, but hes come around on me.

This is the time where 24 starts to turn around any doubts that people have. The next 5 hours are going to be intense i cant wait.

I loved the line by Jack "You blew this mission." It was something like that, but it was a good line.

Ok, im rambling now, plus i have to go to class now. CHLOE RULES!!!

I can see a Chloe-Edgar hookup. It would be like Ralph and Lois from the Honeymooners.

[GreenvilleTexan]

I don't think Logan is involved. I think he was just being made out to be a horse's *** so that it made more sense for Palmer to be called in. At least he was man enough to recognize his mistake and let Jack go.
Funny though, how a man who 15 minutes before was ready to have Jack's head on a platter for torturing a suspect has no qualms at all about the constitutional ramifications of allowing a former president to come in and run the White House.
But hey, this is television.
Loved the episode. I just assume that Chloe, Edgar and all of the other computer geeks at CTU have received mandatory training in how to load and fire an assault rifle in a time of crisis.
Now, show me Edgar with an AK-47 going after Marwan's men and then you'll have something.
"Say hello to my little friend!"
I think Edgar will come around and he and Chloe will end up working together to find the key piece which will solve the whole thing.

[slinger]

The Charlie Rose Show - May 3rd new!
On Tuesday, May 3rd, 2005, Charlie Rose is scheduled to interview the cast of "24" on the set. PBS

[Boods]

tonight's episode was amazing.
-palmer is back and better then ever.
-jack was out of control until the last minute where he just lost it, the last scene was absolutely amazing with audrey yelling and jack's face so sad just staring it was incredible.
-the covert op in the chinese consulate was amazing. curtis and jack are amazing together, the ****ing consul got shot by his own men!! and the other ctu guy's face was seen by the chinese. that's gonna cause so much trouble for palmer to deal with!!
-bill vs. tony was good. i can feel tony and michelle growing closer especially since he told her he doesnt love jen. that scene was intense.
-paul's death is the first of two big deaths of 24 characters this seasons..who's next?
palmer? tony? curtis? i got a feeling it will be tony and i will destroy the world if it is!!

[LOTRNUT04]

holy fuc-, tonights episode was one of the best of the season, without a doubt. The chinese consulate capture scene was awesome. That guys blood is all over that place. I thought Bill buchanen did a great acting job with his scene with tony. I dont really need to say much about the end, awesome acting, great suspense. (audrey's pretty ungrateful though, didn't that man save her life, like, 10 hours ago?? on the other hand, it was pretty harsh...)

Palmer is about to have one huge mess to deal with.

Looking forward to next weeks episode.

[GreenvilleTexan]

Freakin' awesome episode! Jack's expression at the end was one of the most amazing single scenes in the entire series, possibly one of the few times when Jack questioned the way he does what he does and the ramifications of his actions. It cost him the woman he loves.
I can see Audrey returning next season, possibly as a major thorn in Jack's side.
Great suspense throughout and I loved the scene between Chloe and Edgar.
The scene between Bill and Tony didn't work for me so much. I am getting tired of Tony being human one minute and acting like a horse's *** the next, but that is a minor gripe.
It looks like this season is going to wrap up in grand style.

[Ewok Droppings]

The thing that is getting on my nerves a bit about 24 is that everything is supposed to be so unpredictable that it's almost predictable now. I'm sure Marwan will eventually be killed, but I bet the bomb never goes off because somehow Jack saves it at the last moment in some shocking kill a main character scene.

[GreenvilleTexan]

Sure, that's just what they WANT you to believe ....

[Boods]

i think there's a strong possibility the bomb goes off.. read the spoilers on www.24spoilers.tvheaven.com

[slinger]

Waiting for next week's now that is real torture.

Remember Charlie Rose tonight!

[iv3rdawG]

Great episode last night, to really tell the truth I was in suspense. And then Paul just lying there dead. Thats really the only time I remeber Jack looking like he was going to cry, besides when his wife was killed.

[LOTRNUT04]

^and the time when he actually cried ;)

[Pickinfeet]

damn fine episode this week... it's just nice to see palmer back. logan is sucktastic.

[slinger]

The thing that is getting on my nerves a bit about 24 is that everything is supposed to be so unpredictable that it's almost predictable now. I'm sure Marwan will eventually be killed, but I bet the bomb never goes off because somehow Jack saves it at the last moment in some shocking kill a main character scene.

Day 1 - Terri dies
Day 2 - CTU attacked, nuclear bomb detonated
Day 3 - Virus unleashed
Day 4 - Power plant meltdown, Air Force One hit

24 usually delievers something, it may not be the worst outcome (nuclear explosion, virus in hotel) but it still happened. same thing with next week's, the missile is still launched but only the target has changed

[JBond]

Isn't it funny how bad guys are always horrible shots...and this time they finally hit something..their own guy?

How can we continue to cheer for the main hero when he keeps killing good guys? Though I must commend Kiefer on his acting near the end of episode. I also like the idea of having the missile be used to start a war instead...not completly original, but now it's atleast original to "24".

[ViRUs]

I think this was the best episode in season 4 by far! I like the ending, how Jack sticks to the job first, then the people he loves comes next. I didnt want Paul to die at first, but towards the end i was kind of wanting him to, just to see how it will play out with Audrey in the end.

[ViRUs]

The thing that is getting on my nerves a bit about 24 is that everything is supposed to be so unpredictable that it's almost predictable now. I'm sure Marwan will eventually be killed, but I bet the bomb never goes off because somehow Jack saves it at the last moment in some shocking kill a main character scene.


What show isnt predictable like that? I knew what was basically going to happen every season of 24, but they still had twists that no one saw coming. Who knows what they will throw in the way this time? All im saying is you cant just say this show is being predictable because of that. If that is your definition of predictable, then every show would be predictable.

[PapaRoachRules]

this episode looks great. i can't wait to see what happens neucular bomb. ONLY 3 MORE EPISODES!!!!!!!!!!!! XD

[LOTRNUT04]

i hope it is as good as last weeks

[Boods]

tonight's episode was amazing again..that ending was absolutely crazy, i can't believe the missile actually launched...it doesn't like next week it goes off though according to the preview...something weird is going on..
and next week..james heller is back, so is richard heller..richard had to be bad cos his storyline went on for the 7 first episodes of the season which is a lot if he had absolutely nothing to take out of it except being mad(der) at his dad..
i guess it's time for tony and michelle to reconnect now..and logan has to stop being a little biatch or season 5 will be about jack plotting his murder for being a biatch...
do not highlight spoiler tag cos it's huge spoilers unless u wanna spoil urself off course... mandy's back next week...and she's connected to richard heller, and gonna do something to either tony or michelle!!!!!

[JBond]

How many times have Michelle and Tony started to talk and then get interupted?

Anyway, you know what I'd like to see? The president to come out of his coma and ask how things are going:

"Well Mr. President, we're with war with China and Milwaukee has been nuked....just go back to sleep."

[slinger]

24 - Day Four 3:00 A.M. - 4:00 A.M.

The question is well America be going to war in the season finale? And when they showed the bit with Richard Heller and James I was like WTF! he phoned Marwan? Of course that could be fake.

I liked how Palmer and Novick were all giddy about how they created the cover up meanwhile China is passing out wanted posters for that CTU tactical unit member. Then that Jack Bauer gets recognized for his past work (he needs a few landmarks named after him). Edgar may have stopped all those meltdowns but he pretty much gave enough info to start WWIII. Say goodbye to that Employee of the Month ham. And how funny was it with Chole and Jack? "It pretty much destroyed your relationship." Tony and Michelle need to find some brief alone time ala season two for some makeout/grabby time. Anyone else get flashbacks of Jack/Curtis in the office building going after Marwan? Marwan actually showed some fear, just sentence Marwan to sit between Chole and Edgar for the next 20 years. So where could this missile be headed? Chicago? They've picked it up here, like they always do when the season winds down, just never have the stakes been so high. In season two, it seemed like the war America would declare wouldn't be too hard to win. Now its like they've woken the dragon up and he's pissed because Jack was too much 00 Agent for his lousy aim guards. And it looks like Marwan will pull a Nina and get off scott free. Or could someone (Edgar) go crazy and just kill him?

[Ewok Droppings]

The more I watch this season, the more I am convinced that Jack Bauer is going to die this season. If he doesn't die, his life will totally suck afterwards. No girlfriend, accused by China of leading an attack against the embassy, bad mental status and so forth and so on. Jack's not looking so hot right now.

[slinger]

The more I watch this season, the more I am convinced that Jack Bauer is going to die this season. If he doesn't die, his life will totally suck afterwards. No girlfriend, accused by China of leading an attack against the embassy, bad mental status and so forth and so on. Jack's not looking so hot right now.

S1 - Pregnant wife died
S2 - Had a heart attack
S3 - Drug addict
S4 - ? not over yet

[ViRUs]

I dont know if it was just me, but i didnt like the whole Edgar and the chineese security guy thing, what was his name chang?

I mean Edgar response was like a second long, he could of just misunderstood the question for all the chineese guy knows. Yeah he suspected it in the first place, but its a huge risk to take and no one would probably do it. I just didnt like how it was done.

[kungfuhobbit]

I live in the Uk, and last night was the WORST episode ever! It was the one where AF1 crashes at the start and Jack has to recover the nuclear codes. Man it was boring. And how lame is it that the president survived. What did you guys think of this?

[JBond]

Ahhh, so will they kill Tony or won't they. I say no, that be a real kick in the teeth for "24" fans.

You have to wonder what the hell that new woman terrorist is up to, the bomb is about to blow up a city, she's won...why wouldn't she just kill Tony and get the hell out of there, what's the purpose of a hostage at this point in the plot? Hopefully she has a good reason.

[jpete51]

She really isn't too new...she's been around since season one and is known as the Naked Lesbian Assassin Mandy. She blew up the plane and shook Palmer's hand.

[slinger]

Ahhh, so will they kill Tony or won't they. I say no, that be a real kick in the teeth for "24" fans.

You have to wonder what the hell that new woman terrorist is up to, the bomb is about to blow up a city, she's won...why wouldn't she just kill Tony and get the hell out of there, what's the purpose of a hostage at this point in the plot? Hopefully she has a good reason.

One theory is that Michelle will give the order to kill Tony (Jackie Boy pulls the trigger), to save the lives of millions. Soak up Tony's blood with the irony.

[LOTRNUT04]

i doubt that michelle gives the order, but am pretty sure tony will die...which sucks, but should be good for the show.

Yeah, mandy isn't new...she's been there from the VERY beginning...

i liked the episode...except when the real time didn't add up at one point. When Mike Novick was talking to the speaker of the house privately, he finishes, and then immediately opens the door to the presidents office explaining the situation. Maybe i missed something, but i was kinda dissapointed there...

[Ewok Droppings]

I live in the Uk, and last night was the WORST episode ever! It was the one where AF1 crashes at the start and Jack has to recover the nuclear codes. Man it was boring. And how lame is it that the president survived. What did you guys think of this?

Wasn't so bad I didn't think.

Tonights episode was a bit too predictable. I kept thinking last episode that when Tony and Michelle get back together that they are probably going to have to find a way to kill Tony. I was wondering how they were going to do it since he was basically holed up in CTU headquarters. As soon as Jack said, "Send Tony" instead of Curtis, I knew instantly that he was done for.

I hope Tony is flexible because he should kiss his own butt goodbye. That sucks too, because I was totally hoping they would get back together and he wouldn't die.

[JBond]

Ohhh, I thought she looked familar.

[LOTRNUT04]

im not the biggest fan of 24 inside, i think the host is ****ty, and its not very informative. However, this weeks has a new host (who also sucks) and marwan. Arnold Vosloo (who plays marwan) is a wonderful guest, i actually enjoyed this one. Id give it a shot when you get bored.

[Chiakier]

Never wated an episode of this - It looks ok from what I ve seen - best drama on Tv is ALias though.

[GreenvilleTexan]

As soon as Tony told Michelle, in essence, "Let's get the heck out of here", you just got the feeling he is DOOMED!
Or maybe it will be the other way around. Jack had a similar confessional scene with his babe Audrey, and I am beginning to think it may be L.A. which is the target and it may be Michelle and the others who are at ground zero.
Remember, the guy who gets killed tried to get Mandy to hurry up and she says "Don't worry, we have plenty of time to get to Marwan." She may be just evil enough to want to keep everybody around long enough to blow them up.

[Boiiinng]

Never wated an episode of this - It looks ok from what I ve seen - best drama on Tv is ALias though.

What's your point then? :rolleyes:

[Chiakier]

That it looks ok from what ive seen

[PapaRoachRules]

sh** i missed it!!!!!!! does anyone know if they are gonna show a repeat on this anytime soon

[GreenvilleTexan]

Is it just me, or does CTU look awfully stupid this season. They have been a step behind all year long and every lead has turned out to be a dead end. Marwan is able to escape every episode and now Tony is being held at gunpoint. They weren't able to completely stop the meltdown, the destruction of Air Force One, the stealing of the warhead, the kidnapping of the Secretary of Defense or the launching of the missile. No wonder Marwan thinks he's already won.

[slinger]

sh** i missed it!!!!!!! does anyone know if they are gonna show a repeat on this anytime soon

On DVD in December is probably the earliest. FX never did their marathon last year, A&E does start airing seasons one-four this fall. The Previously on 24 will have what you need. Poor writing by the writers, Mandy's bare back and Secretary Heller returning is pretty much all there is.

Well we watched what Marwan did, everything was done to distract them while the next thing started. And remember Jack's rebuttal to Marwan? CTU did save many lives. Marwan did his homework and did some awesome prep time that it would make Batman jealous. All the threats in previous seasons it might've been one to three years tops in the planning process, while the Araz Family only was preparing for five years.

[GreenvilleTexan]

Maybe, but I just get the feeling that even if they capture/kill Marwan and stop the warhead, they can't exactly raise their hands in victory over this one. There still will be the matter of a billion or so ticked off Chinese to deal with.

[Ewok Droppings]

You know what's kind of sad.... I find myself almost wanting CTU to not find the missle in time, just because you know they will. It's almost a morbid desire for something other than the predictable storyline.

[JBond]

Yeah, I hope it hits Milwaukee. Stupid Milwaukee ;)

[strawed]

Why didn't 24 show up on Fox's Fall scedule? Has there been talk about it being in hiatus??

[JBond]

Personally, I heard they were signed on for two more seasons.

[thebtskink]

They're bringing it back next year, but in mid-season, so it's not on the fall schedule.

Probably gonna do what they did this year, with no breaks in between weeks.

[slinger]

Seeing how this year has done great ratings wise, they're probably going to do the Post NFL Playoffs/four episodes/two nights thing again. And House will be the lead in after it switches nights so that will pull in some more viewers. Only thing, where will Arrested Development move? But the season hasn't started yet so it doesn't matter now. I remember Sutherland on Kilborn when the show first started talking about how long it could go and six seasons were mentioned, can't believe its happening.

[GreenvilleTexan]

I understood House would follow 24 on Mondays, but maybe I was wrong. Either way, it sounds like a good match of shows, better than American Idol or Nanny 911 any day.

[Karma Dog]

Is it just me, or does CTU look awfully stupid this season. They have been a step behind all year long and every lead has turned out to be a dead end. Marwan is able to escape every episode and now Tony is being held at gunpoint. They weren't able to completely stop the meltdown, the destruction of Air Force One, the stealing of the warhead, the kidnapping of the Secretary of Defense or the launching of the missile. No wonder Marwan thinks he's already won.

I think that is intended for the audience to believe. After the last season they did a major overhaul and got rid of all the people who got things done because nothing was being done by the books. Personally I think they need to overhaul the Human Resources office of CTU. Bad choices in hiring.

[slinger]

I understood House would follow 24 on Mondays, but maybe I was wrong. Either way, it sounds like a good match of shows, better than American Idol or Nanny 911 any day.

Yes House starts in Jan on Mondays, but Arrested airs at 8/7c in the fall until then.

[Boods]

two hours left and so many questions:
-will tony die? will curtis die?
-where is the missile headed? will it be stopped?
-what of mandy? dead? escaped? jail?
-marwan finally caught or not?
-chinese pursue their investigation? will they ask for jack bauer to be handed over?
-what about palmer? just goes home?
-will tony and michelle quit?
-audrey and jack back together?
-who's the new head of CTU then? bill buchanan?
-president logan to remain in office (hope not cos he's a ****in' idiot)?

[Ewok Droppings]

OK, I'm making some predictions about the final episode tonight:

1. I originally thought Tony was going to die, but the more I think about it, why would they kill him now that they have shown it in the previews for this episode. That would be the worst editing job ever because they have completely blown the surprise if he dies.

2. The missle will be found and will not blow up. Somehow, some way CTU will stop it (too predictable).

3. Some other main character (Michelle somehow) will die.

Other than that, I am looking forward to tonight. :)

[JBond]

Maybe season 5 will be about a war with China ;)

[Boods]

the two hour finale starts in 20 minutes on the East Coast..
here are my final predictions:

- tony will not die, neither will michelle or palmer.
- mandy will lead jack to marwan who will die off course.
- CTU will stop the missile some way (i think its headed to LA)
- the chinese situation will come back and will offer the season's cliffhanger. will logan agree to hand jack over to the chinese? he probably would but i don't see that happening cos of season 5.
- audrey and jack will officially break up while tony and michelle will officially be back together (if they are still alive that is...)
- jack bauer is going to do one last crazy thing that will make every other crazy thing he has done in the previous 22 hours look small and easy.
- for some reason i see the season being resolved halfway through the second hour and the last half hour being about something else entirely and leading to something huge in the end.
- at 7a.m. the sun will rise on LA and Jack Bauer will walk the sunrise alive!!!

[Ewok Droppings]

Maybe season 5 will be about a war with China ;)

Yeah - you know, I was thinking they would talk more about the whole China and Jack conspiracy thing last episode, but they didn't mention it at all. Maybe they will kill off Jack and then the Chinese will always have to question because they will then have lost their suspect.

[Boods]

Yeah - you know, I was thinking they would talk more about the whole China and Jack conspiracy thing last episode, but they didn't mention it at all. Maybe they will kill off Jack and then the Chinese will always have to question because they will then have lost their suspect.

kill off jack isn't that extreme ? pretending to kill him off could be enough no ??

[Boiiinng]

That ended the exact way I wanted it to. Makes next season really mysterious and interesting. Now we have to wait until January 2006...ugh.

[panzertank]

yeah, next season will be great, i thought that was the best ending to any of the days. it ended on both a sad and happy note at the same time. And there was no overwhelming cliff hanger that made us hate the time off. All i have to say is poor Audrey, and that i was hoping that palmer would punch the vice president both hours tonight.

[phantomstranger]

WOW!!! What a season. The best one to date. Great suspense, action and drama. The finale was a nail biter... and what the hell is going to happen next year? It's going to be a long wait till Jan, But it will be worth it. Take care Jack, we'll see you next winter.

[LS2002]

Ugh I hate waiting for January oh well It was a nice season.

[GreenvilleTexan]

Yeah, you have to feel sorry for Audrey, first her husband, then her boyfriend, within a few hours.
I wassort of sorry they didn't have Jack being hauled off to a Chinese prison, though. The first few hours of next season would have been Tony and Curtis busting Jack out, which would have been cool.
It was a little convenient how they got the missile, would have liked to have seen at least one miss, but I'm just glad Chloe and Edgar will be able to pursue their future together.
Do you think Burns will still have a job at CTU? I mean, he cracked awfully easily. And I wonder if the Chinese will so readily buy the stories of Jack's demise?

[GreenvilleTexan]

P.S., Obviously either Boods is psychic, or a writer for the show.

[panzertank]

Im sure next season when jack comes back and is kicked into overdrive, the chinese thing will come back, but thats ok. All I know is that Curtis is signed for next season. YEAAAAHHHH!!!!

[ViRUs]

well "jack" will never come back. Palmer said it, "For all purposes Jack Bauer is dead." meaning when he comes back in season 5 he will probably have a new name, but im sure everyone will call him jack. I was kind of surprised that Jack didnt say anything about telling Kim or Audrey that he was "dead," more so for Kim. I thought he would of at least told the president to tell Kim what happened to him. It was a great season finale though, and for the record, I have never been more happier to see Mike Novick in my life!

[Cartagia]

and for the record, I have never been more happier to see Mike Novick in my life!
Ditto on that count!

[Karma Dog]

At the end there, Jack and Tony said something about getting the body ready, so I guess we're supposed to assume that will tide the Chinese over for now, but next season could be a hunt for Jack... that would be cool. But JB in a chinese prison was a fun scenario.

As for Kim, I'm assuming Jack or someone will get in touch with her immediately to tell her he is okay.

Awesome friggin episode though. I just watched the last half hour again and this is the best season and the best ending IMO. Although the shock of the end of season one was great.

[slinger]

Best Season Ever. I watched today (the 24th) on tape oh they did good.
Updated May 23rd http://www.24spoilers.tvheaven.com/
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Episode 5.1
Airdate - January 2006
Airtime: 9:00 p.m. - 10:00 p.m.

The scheduled production start date for season five is July 26th.

The new season has already been in pre-production since April. New writers Manny Coto (Enterprise) and David Fury (Lost, Angel, Buffy) are quickly getting accustomed to writing a real-time script. 24 has sought out the advice of novelist Richard Marcinko (novels with military themes) and he is playing an advisory role in the shaping of season five’s story. 24 sent out casting calls for a major female role in April and the role has already been cast but the actress hasn’t been revealed.
Source - www.24spoilers.tvheaven.com

General Season 5 Spoilers:

Kiefer Sutherland will be back for season five.
Source - Various Sources

Mary Lynn Rajskub has reportedly inked a deal to be a main castmember for 24's fifth season.
Source - TvGuide

Roger Cross (Curtis Manning) signed a two year deal last year so he should remain a main castmember in season five.
Source - www.24spoilers.tvheaven.com

[JBond]

I thought the missile destruction was quite anti-climatic...poof. I was hoping Jack would leap from the building top onto the missile and start going at it with a hacksaw as it flew by. ;) But it was a nice ending, him walking away, makes you wonder what season 5 is going to be like. Maybe my prayers have been answered and CTU will be phased out.

[thebtskink]

Damn shame Michelle and Tony won't be back next year (Reiko signed onto some CBS show for next year). They always write that pair so well. Had my doubts about their storyline earlier in the season, but these last two hours gave me lumps in my throat.....

The finale tied things up pretty tightly while still keeping that high tension throughout. Mandy wrapped up, Palmer wrapped so Haysbert can move onto The Unit, Michelle and Tony getting the only happy exit of any characters yet, the nature of Jack's job destroying his personal life as it should, and Jack having to pay somewhat for his lonewolf streak by losing his identity. Honestly, if there weren't 2006 and 2007 signed on, I would be happy if this were 24's exit.

To me, 24's always been about the drama of the characters, not the plot. For that reason, I'd rank:

Season 4 top
Season 2 second (Jack's struggle with wanting to live / finding a reason to do his job, The Warner Family, and Palmer's refusal to go to war without absolute proof even in the face of insurrection)
Season 1 third (The Palmer/Sherry politics vs. family, Jack trying to hold together his family and failing, the Drazens pulling the assassination not for Palmer's race but for lost family)
Season 3 (that trip to Mexico was really unnecessary, though there were great moments with Tony/Michelle and the hotel as well as between Jack/Chase)

[iv3rdawG]

Awesome show last night, I thought Jack was kidding when they thought he was dead, but then his pulse wasnt there and he wouldnt wake up. Gave me a scare. Cant wait to see how they pull off Season 5. We need another Nina ;)

[PapaRoachRules]

****K!!!!!!!!!!!!MY BROTHER DIDN'T WAKE ME UP!!!!!!! I AM GONNA KILL him!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :angry:

[thebtskink]

Now that Jack Bauer doesn't exist anymore, any guesses as to Jack's new ID?

The incognito James Smith?
Chaz Silverstein?
Gobbo McFab? ;)

[iv3rdawG]

Now that Jack Bauer doesn't exist anymore, any guesses as to Jack's new ID?

The incognito James Smith?
Chaz Silverstein?
Gobbo McFab? ;)
hmmmm that last one is a good one ;)

[thebtskink]

It's a general rule.... add Mc in front of anything, and it instantly becomes 10x funnier. Marty McFly, Ronald McDonald, MacBeth.... wait, scratch that last one. ;)

[JBond]

He's going to put on a fake French accent in Season 5, he will be...Jacques Booer.

[Ewok Droppings]

Maybe he will be called Jack Mehoff..... wait, ummm, probably not.

[LOTRNUT04]

wow...that was the best piece of television i have ever seen, no exaggeration...Its too bad the rest of the season was pretty sub-par, cause that was amazing. Also, "too bad" that that wasn't the SERIES finale because it couldn't have ended it better (however, if there wasn't a season 5 id be pissed). It was kinda funny seeing the limits of their budgets (marwan's fall, missile explosion, f-18 flying, etc.) I cannot wait to see whats in store for season 5.

Did anyone else find the episode very sad, but in a happy way? With palmer and jack saying their final goodbyes, jack no longer existing, tony and michelle leaving....

[GreenvilleTexan]

They probably can now go in just about any direction they wish next year. Jack wandering the country until he just happens to step into another terrorist plot. Or, it could be more of an actual "day in the life of a fugitive" type scenario: "The following takes place between 2 a.m. and 3 a.m." ... Jack sleeps, then gets up to go to the bathroom, then goes back to sleep. Hey, the man has not done either for the past four years, he probably needs to do both REALLY badly by now.
Seriously, though, I can see something along the lines of Jack (or whatever his new name is now) discovering a conspiracy involving the new, horse's a** president which only he can prevent. Jack will have to reveal he isn't dead to Audrey and ... well that's all I got.
Oh, and Mandy will probably turn up again as well.

[Ewok Droppings]

What about something different next season like an attempted coup d’état on the presidency - or something crazy like that. Season 5 could litterally go any direction, I just think they should throw a few more twists in the mix regarding the supposed good guys involvement.

[B4S]

I hope they go the way of the fugitive or something like that, make season four finale the end of the Jack at CTU run. 24 is one of them shows which I could see being able to pull off a change of lead in future years as long as it doesn't become "24: Attack on LA". I can see this next year being a link year.
I hope for a bit more of a group show so Jack doesn't have to do so much in a day, just ruins a bit, more toilet scenes like in season 2 people do go and they can be good bits of drama too, o and also it needs a Palmer in it, its as much the Palmer family as it is Jacks show.

[LOTRfan]

I missed episode 22 (my power went out when I wasn't home and messed the timing on my VCR). No one I know taped it or tivo'd it. I refuse to watch the last two episodes before watching 22, and the suspense is killing me. I don't think I can wait for this DVD to come out. If anyone has any suggestions on how to see it I would be forever grateful. I tried downloading it several times but all i have been able to get is the audio and not the video of the episode.

[thebtskink]

if you still have the versions you downloaded, download the latest xvid codec.

Even better, download the Divx player (google it, i'm lazy)... it has the codec, plus the player is cooler than WMP.

[JBond]

It was kinda funny seeing the limits of their budgets (marwan's fall, missile explosion, f-18 flying, etc.) I cannot wait to see whats in store for season 5.

Do you mean that in a good way or bad way? Cause all of those effects sucked. Especially Marwan falling.

[LOTRNUT04]

^definitely a bad way, that was why i said, "the LIMITS of the budgets." Marwan falling was really bad, as were the rest. But the show is so good that its easy to look past those things.

[slinger]

When Stephen Saunders said this to Jack in season three:

"I was abandoned by my government, as you'll be someday."

did anyone think it would actually happen? I didn't.

[LOTRNUT04]

what if jack got pissed and turned on the us, as saunders did....jack as the bad guy? It would never happen, but cool to think about.

[Karma Dog]

When Stephen Saunders said this to Jack in season three:

"I was abandoned by my government, as you'll be someday."

did anyone think it would actually happen? I didn't.

Good point, it is interesting how a lot of what Saunders said ended up coming true, but I don't think Bauer is going to go rogue on the U.S. It would ruin everything he has done over the past four seasons. This next season should be so much fun though.

[Jack's Thumb]

What a great season and I can't wait to see what happens in the next. Until then I think I am going to be tuning in to this new show on FX Over There about the war. looks like it is going to be good.

[Karma Dog]

I heard the producers came out with some comments about whats going to happen next season... something about taking place one year later. I haven't found the link though. Has anyone else heard anything or have a link to this interview??

[LOTRNUT04]

not the link to the interview, but this is what is known so far:

I’m hearing that the season will start off with the terrorist bombing of a “high-value target”. It’s unclear if the high-value target is a person or a building but it's looking more and more like a combination of both a prominent building and a high-ranking government official who will be among the many killed in the terrorist attack. There are several other scenarios I’ve heard rumblings about and every single one of them has the same concept of a terrorist bombing of a building with extremely strong international ties. They are also thinking about bringing back a former character to be among the many dead in the massive explosion.
Source - www.24spoilers.tvheaven.com

The new season has already been in pre-production since April. New writers Manny Coto and David Fury are quickly getting accustomed to writing a real-time script. 24 has sought out the advice of novelist Richard Marcinko and he is playing an advisory role in the shaping of season five’s story. 24 sent out casting calls for a major female role in April and the role has already been cast but the actress hasn’t been revealed.
Source - www.24spoilers.tvheaven.com

General Season 5 Information:

What happens next on "24" is one of the most guarded secrets in Hollywood -- but Vince Flynn has some answers. The best-selling Twin Cities-based author of political thrillers like "Transfer of Power" and "Term Limits" spent a week in Los Angeles recently, helping creators of the unpredictable Fox drama come up with future story lines. He'll go back in late summer or early fall to help wrap up some of the stories and possibly even pen a script. Flynn wouldn't dare give away any major revelations but he did let slip that some major characters get blown up in next season's opener.
Source - Minneapolis Star Tribune

"We'll pick Jack up in a very different place, roughly a year later. Of course, the show is the show, so it won't be long before he's back in the saddle. But we'll explore a little bit of what he's been doing with his life and the situation he's gotten himself into. That will certainly have an impact on his behavior when he gets involved in the streets".
Source - Quote from 24 writer/producer Robert Cochran from TvGuide interview

[Karma Dog]

cool thanks.

[Boiiinng]

Sounds like CTU is history.

[LOTRNUT04]

i hope CTU is history, they need to move away from it....make the show less and less about terrorism. This doesn't mean that they have to blow the **** outta it, just leave it out of the plot

[GreenvilleTexan]

Hasn't CTU been blown up once or twice before?

[Boiiinng]

Hasn't CTU been blown up once or twice before?

Just once, but it didn't even do enough damage to stop them from working there.

[Karma Dog]

....make the show less and less about terrorism.

Ummm.. It's 24. What exactly do you want the show to be about?

[iv3rdawG]

It feels so weird that 24 isnt on, it was always my most favorite show next to Amazing Race :(

[Karma Dog]

I know what you mean, me and my wife were confused about what to do between 8 and 9 last night.

[LOTRNUT04]

Ummm.. It's 24. What exactly do you want the show to be about?
What i meant was that the show doesn't have to revolve around a super, high alert, terrorist threat. 24's whole concept is 24 hours, real time. After that, there shouldn't be any restrictions. This show was so fresh and new when it came out because they did things nobody had ever done before. After about 1.5 seasons they gave up on the whole real-time concept and focused more and more on the mega-action. I like all the seasons, but i think the terrorist-about-to-destroy-the-world concept has been exhausted. Make things personal, smaller, central, etc...[some attention to the actual concept of '24' (i.e. real time) would be nice, along with more god damn split screens]

[kungfuhobbit]

^I'd kinda agree.
[/$0.02]I mean you know that whatever the terrorist threat is, they're gonna stop it by Episode 24 anyway. I thought that season 4 was crippled by the lack of a Palmer/political storyline and this reflected the much more linear approach to the story, with less simultaneous threads going on at the same time. There also seemed to be less major twists in the story, and the characters were less likeable too. As an example, when George Mason was dying in s2, or when Jack had to execute Chappelle in s3, I was an emotional wreck, but when Driscoll's daughter dies -nothing. I really hope Palmer's back next season.[$0.02]

[slinger]

^I'd kinda agree.
[/$0.02]I mean you know that whatever the terrorist threat is, they're gonna stop it by Episode 24 anyway. I thought that season 4 was crippled by the lack of a Palmer/political storyline and this reflected the much more linear approach to the story, with less simultaneous threads going on at the same time. There also seemed to be less major twists in the story, and the characters were less likeable too. As an example, when George Mason was dying in s2, or when Jack had to execute Chappelle in s3, I was an emotional wreck, but when Driscoll's daughter dies -nothing. I really hope Palmer's back next season.[$0.02]

Well unless Dennis Haysbert's new series The Unit is a spectacular midseason failure I don't see Palmer for an extended run. Maybe for a few but bringing Palmer back is like bringing Kim back. It would just get silly.
Atleast they were able to redeem themeseleves with how they handled Palmer this season unlike last year.

I don't think Driscoll's daughter dying was supposed to get people emotional - it was like Jamie's death in S1. Necessary to move the story along, but we don't have invested feelings or they're not a pivotal character. Driscoll was kicked out cue Michelle. Paul's death scene that had your powerful stuff with Jack & Audrey and what Paul did today.

The Araz Family storyline was great from the start and really help make this a outstanding season.

[iv3rdawG]

Does anyone know where I can get Season 1 on dvd for a low price? around $20-25

[the elmo zombie]

wait till the day after thanksgiving and get it for $15. you could probably get season 2 also

[Ewok Droppings]

You know - I really liked this season - but to tell you the truth, it's still Hollywood predictable. You know that Jack is going to save the day, you know that Marwan was going to die, you know that Tony and Michelle were going to get back together, etc., etc.. Sure, they threw in some other twists and things, but for once - just once, I would really like them NOT to save the day at the end.

[Karma Dog]

What i meant was that the show doesn't have to revolve around a super, high alert, terrorist threat. 24's whole concept is 24 hours, real time. After that, there shouldn't be any restrictions. This show was so fresh and new when it came out because they did things nobody had ever done before. After about 1.5 seasons they gave up on the whole real-time concept and focused more and more on the mega-action. I like all the seasons, but i think the terrorist-about-to-destroy-the-world concept has been exhausted. Make things personal, smaller, central, etc...[some attention to the actual concept of '24' (i.e. real time) would be nice, along with more god damn split screens]

While watching the finale I thought the idea of season 5 beind Jack trying to escape from the Chinese prison interesting. I would like to see it be about someone out for personal revenge on Jack and just going after him. maybe he blows up a building to get him in the open again, but something where its more personal. I see where you're going.

[LOTRNUT04]

^there you go...sounds like you want a season 1 feel as well...personal revenge i.e. victor drazen. This next season could be really good...clean out the cast. Make me feel like im watching a "smart, espionage-based thriller", not an action blockbuster.

[kungfuhobbit]

Yer the characters this season were generally b*llocks. They introduced so many new characters but in the end they were just wasted screen time cos we never really connected in the time they were there. I used to like 24 for having genuinely clever plot lines and twists, but as you guy's have said, its just been predictable this season. I hope S5 is a return to form, and not just gonna follow the tried and tested formula that s4 tended to slip into. Its also hard now that Jack has no personal connections-No Teri, no Kim, no Audrey (though that storyline was always weak anyway). Worries me what they're gonna do next season when it comes to showing his human side