Smallville

[insaneMoViEgoer]

A clip of of Clark and Lex from the finale

http://www.cwtv.com/cw-video/smallville/lex-returns-clip/?play=32c94a1b-6f0d-4f33-8f03-261019fc659b

[Neverending]

Lex speaks the truth in that clip.

[Tolkien]

Meh. I rather listen to Shirley Walker's Batman music:

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Shirley Walker is always great, there's no doubt about that. Her music is amazing and the score she did for Mask of the Phantasm was perfection, but... Since when did this become about comparison? Shirley Walker's got nothing to do with the Smallville score.

[Tornado]

Shirley Walker is always great, there's no doubt about that. Her music is amazing and the score she did for Mask of the Phantasm was perfection, but... Since when did this become about comparison? Shirley Walker's got nothing to do with the Smallville score.

Because not only does Neverending dislike pretty much everything having to do with the show, but he also wants all of us to be aware of that dislike at any given moment.

[Alien]

Meh. I rather listen to Shirley Walker's Batman music:

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Thanx, I've been looking for a new ring tone (Futurama theme was getting old) and I think the BatmanTAS credits just made it.

[MasterChief117]

Random thought for the day and it's doubtful it will happen but I'd like to see Clark/Superman(at the end) fly into space and do the smile and then fly off....I'd love to see that.

[Neverending]

Random thought for the day and it's doubtful it will happen but I'd like to see Clark/Superman(at the end) fly into space and do the smile and then fly off....I'd love to see that.

Agreed.

By the way, last night's episode of Breaking In was hilarious. Michael Rosenbaum killed it. Too bad there's only one episode left.

[MasterChief117]

I'm two behind now. Show is seriously freaking hilarious. Shame it didn't last.

[Neverending]

Michael Rosenbaum may not be out of work after all:

http://www.deadline.com/2011/05/foxs-breaking-in-to-get-another-chance/

Can Breaking In come back from the dead a second time? Well, it is possible. I hear that Fox may reconsider the bombshell Tuesday night cancellation of the midseason comedy starring Christian Slater and Bret Harrison. Fox is in discussions with Breaking In producer Sony Pictures TV about possible ways to bring the show back next season, though no decision is expected to be made until after the upfronts next week. If it comes back from a second cancellation, Breaking In will become an instant TV legend, joining Family Guy as the only shows ever to do it twice. (Coincidentally, both are Fox series.) For those who don't know the back story, Breaking In was Fox's highest-testing pilot last season, but the network ended up passing on it last May, instead giving series orders to Raising Hope, Running Wilde and Traffic Light. Sony TV didn't give up, extending the options on the cast when they expired. Fox proceeded to order additional scripts and eventually picked up the show to series in November. Breaking In debuted strong, with the premiere ranking as the highest-rated Fox live-action comedy telecast in over three years with the best lead-in retention for a sitcom airing after American Idol in four years. The series, created by Adam Goldberg and Seth Gordon, subsequently slipped but remained consistent and, with such a short midseason run, was considered almost a lock for a second tryout next season.

[Tornado]

Random thought for the day and it's doubtful it will happen but I'd like to see Clark/Superman(at the end) fly into space and do the smile and then fly off....I'd love to see that.

Yeah. I've been saying that for years, and I'd still love to see that happen.

[MasterChief117]

TOMORROW! I canceled all plans to watch this bastard. I can't wait!

[Tornado]

I work until 6:30. My girlfriend is coming over then, we're making popcorn, and watching it live at 7. I really thought about downloading it and watching it like I usually do, but this is an event and I want to be a part of it.

[MasterChief117]

I'm actually REALLY looking forward to a review from you, Tornado. Especially since you've followed the show religiously, it'd be nice to hear if it met your expectations and such.

[Tornado]

I will definitely write a review sometime Saturday (probably late at night). I plan to do a full series retrospective sometime this weekend too, maybe Sunday.

[Tolkien]

I'm going to be at my parents for a family meeting tomorrow. But I'm recording it to my DVR and I'm purchasing it on iTunes the moment it becomes available. One more day 'till it's over... God I hate saying that.

[Tornado]

Wow. The show is going to be over in less than 12 hours. Starts in 9 and a half. :(

Leaving for work now, probably won't hear back from me until after the show. Hope everyone enjoys it!

[MasterChief117]

I'll put my thoughts up soon after.

[Tolkien]

It's just after 7am right now for me, so I won't see it for another twelve hours. Actually, longer than that, because I'll be at my parents house so... yeah, maybe late tonight.

[MasterChief117]

I have 6 and a half hours! :D

[Neverending]

Two hours left.

[bbf2]

I normally hate fan-made videos but I saw a link to this one and it's quite good as a warmup to the finale.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Duw3SmvXj-Q&feature=player_embedded#at=24

One scene from every episode of the series set to some music I don't recognize.

[Neverending]

Is it just me or does it feel like they're airing a s--tload of commercials?! They better cut back during part 2 because it's getting super annoying.

[Neverending]

Superman!!!!!

[Neverending]

I expect a lot of screencaps and gifs.

[MasterChief117]

I want to get my thoughts down before I enjoy a LONG night of gaming.



One, there was a **** ton of commercials. GOOD LORD!


Secondly, it was bitter sweet. I enjoyed it at the same time I was pretty disappointed. I think there was a lot of scenes that took away from what I actually wanted to see. Not to mention Tess as a whole, I thought slowed down really everything. Darkseid was destroyed in literally seconds and Apokolips was pushed away....kinda bummed me out. Beyond that, I enjoyed it. I had a HUGE smile on my face at the end with the music, running through the Daily Planet and such. I was really hoping that during Chloe and her son's scene, we'd see an older Oliver(with a goatee) pop in and smile or something...but no....Good episode, I'll have to download it so I can fully enjoy it in HD.

[Neverending]

The finale was a mixed bag, but Smallville has always been that way.

[Tornado]

Really quick thoughts: I enjoyed it a lot, definitely could have been better though.

Really bothered me that Tom didn't wear the suit though.

[MasterChief117]

Really bothered me that Tom didn't wear the suit though.

This, on the rooftop...I thought for like...a half a second he was actually going to get in it...and...nawh...didn't happen. Bummed me out.

[true fan11212]

The contrivances with Lex and Jimmy were dumb, the Tess storyline slowed things down and the fact that Welling is never actually in the suit was disappointing. Despite those things, however, I though the overall episode was fantastic! It hit it out the park, emotionally, and it wrapped up the Darkseid storyline in the most satisfying way they could (they screwed the pooch on that half way through the season). Most importantly, it sent Smallville out on a great note.

[Neverending]

TOP 10 EPISODES
Subject to Change

#10 - RED
On this show, there's nothing more badass than Clark Kent under the influence of Red Kryptonite. He's usually such a wimp that it's nice to see him with a bit of cojones.

#9 - VISAGE
Lizzy Caplan FTW. Lesbian stuff involving Lana. And, one of the few decent fight scenes in the series.

#8 - RUN
Clark meets The Flash and finally makes a friend who can "understand" him. I've never seen him so happy before. Even when he ALMOST got laid.

#7 - ONYX
Lex Luthor is the villain of the story. In case you didn't know.

#6 - JUSTICE
Smallville's introduction to the Justice League. And the only episode where they did anything cool.

#5 - COVENANT
Lionel Luthor shaves his head while gettin' s--t done.

#4 - ARROW
Clark Kent gets a haircut while Green Arrow gets s--t done.

#3 - PILOT
This pilot was so perfect... it could have been used as a background story in a Superman film.

#2 - ROSETTA
Christopher Reeve. Nuff Said.

#1 - INSURGENCE
Jeph Loeb FTW.



RANKING THE SEASONS

1) SEASON 2 - Smallville may have lasted 10 seasons and gone in a wildly different direction halfway through, but we were initially promised a series about Clark Kent's coming of age. Season 2 gives us all of that without relying on gimmicks and teen soap operas. Now of couse, this series isn't perfect. We only love it because it's about Superman. If it wasn't, we would have kicked it to the side like Heroes. So, there are some flaws to acknowledge. Jor-El being a jackass was stupid. Clark acted irrational most of the time. And, the Native Americans were not given their proper due.

2) SEASON 3 - Clark and Lex are the two central characters. And this is the season where things blow-up in their face. Clark caused a big mess in the season 2 finale and it haunts him the entire season. He also struggles with his friendships. Pete turns into an idiot, Chloe backstabs him, and Lana leaves the country. Meanwhile, Lex goes after his father and doesn't win. The big flaw about this season is that it's too un-even. Gough & Millar made the silly mistake of creating seperate plotlines for the two halfs of the season.

3) SEASON 6 - This season suffers from the same problems as season 3. It's un-even. The two halfs are almost un-related. It also has another flaw. The second half of the season is terrible. I really did not care about the Lex-Lana bull s--t. The first half of the season, however, is awesome. Green Arrow is the best thing that ever happened to this show. He was the series' first true superhero and showed Clark how it's done.

4) SEASON 4 - Lois Lane's introduction was brilliant. They used her to the fullest potential and gave her a great deal of screentime with Clark. I loved every minute of it. I also enjoyed the story arc featuring Clark as a HS football hero. They were a bit cheesy, but loads of fun. However, I could not stand that stupid "Lana as a witch" plotline.

5) SEASON 7 - Despite what Tornado says, this season was good. It was the series' natural conclusion. Gough & Millar were just too stupid to realize it. All the major running plots came to an end. Dr. Swann's secret society finally came to light. We also got to explore more Kryptonian backstory thanks to Kara. That even included Clark getting to meet his mother. It was refreshing considering that we had been dealing with jackass Jor-El for 6 seasons. So, in other words, Clark finally discovered that his parents weren't all that bad. Kara showing up was great. She finally motivated Clark to get his s--t together. The Clark and Lana nonsense finally stops. Meanwhile, Lex pushed Lionel out of a window and embraced his dark side. The season's biggest flaw, as mentioned earlier, is that Gough & Millar didn't wrap things up. Clark should have dumped Lana's butt when he realized that Bizarro would love her like he never could. Clark shouldn't have been such a wimp and learned what he needed to from Kara. Clark and Lex should have come to blows FOR REAL. Now, how do you fit Superman into this? Well... with an open ending. Lois gives Clark the application to the Daily Planet. He fills it up and joins. In his free time, he has Martha or Kara make him a suit and the series ends with Clark giving the suit a test drive. I know that isn't very exciting, but then again, I have my doubts of season 10 ending with Clark fighting Darkseid in the suit.

6) SEASON 10 - This season feels like an exhausting conclusion. We are getting nice things, but it took an awful long time to get here. This show over-stayed it's welcome. Let's just be honest. There's only two ways that Smallville should have lasted 10 seasons. The first option is if he had stayed in college. Season 5 thru 8 would have been the college years. Clark is getting his degree in journalism and dealing with Professor Fine from time to time. Then in seasons 9 & 10 he's in Metropolis, working at the Daily Planet, and starting his superhero persona. The other option is Clark traveling the world after high school. But we got neither of those. And so, this show lasted too long. It might not seem that way right now, but trust me, once you started re-watching the seasons you'll realize how tiresome things get after a while.

7) SEASON 9 - Clark finally became a superhero. We got the Absolute Justice episode. Lois & Clark started to date. All of those were good. But... Zod was a waste and the Suicide Squad ultimately did nothing.

8) SEASON 8 - Lana was gone. That was nice. Lois & Clark were working together at the Daily Planet. That was nice too. Green Arrow became a series regular. That was pretty cool, I guess. Although I preferred him in season 6. HOWEVER, Doomsday was a MAJOR letdown. Jimmy Olsen turns out to be a fake. So, his three year relationship with Chloe was a waste.

9) SEASON 5 - This season was a turning point for the series. It moved closer to Superman and the mythology. We started getting class villains instead of the meteor infected criminals. That was nice for a change. Sadly, Brainiac wasn't used to his full potential and the season had WAY too many filler episodes.

10) SEASON 1 - Four words: Freaks of the Week.

[bbf2]

I was already spoiled on twitter that Welling wouldn't really be shown into the suit. For some reason I got the impression that they would only show Superman flying away for two seconds, so I was actually happy with what we got of that.

That being said, the fact that they didn't put Welling in the suit is unacceptable. That's what everyone has been waiting for for ten years.

I was okay with a lot of it but a few things stood out:
-Clark flew into zombie Lionel and that, uh, killed Darkseid or something? Surely that didn't kill Darkseid. How come Darkseid didn't retaliate when Clark pushed his planet away? Did he just say "Eh, screw it, I'll just come back later."
Even though Darkseid possessing someone for his final showdown with Clark was terrible, at least we got to see Darkseid in physical form speaking with his real voice (in the scene with Lionel), so there's that...even if it was just a closeup of his eyes and he only had two lines.

-What's up with that comic book Chloe was reading to her son? A comics company released a comic telling the world Superman's secret identity? It would kind of make sense if if was some kind of home-made comic book someone made for Chloe and Oliver that only they and their son would ever see, so they could tell their son about Clark's origins, but it was pretty clear that Chloe was reading from a published comic book that she bought. What. the. eff. The more I think about this the more my brain explodes.

As weird as some of that stuff is, I could kind of ignore it. I'm not even really that upset about not really seeing Welling in the suit and I can ignore the rest of it.

One thing, though, really, really, really pissed me off, to the point where I couldn't even really enjoy anything that came after it because I was in such disbelief.

-Wiping Lex's memory. Not just his memory of the last few years or someone selectively erasing his memory of Superman. Erasing his entire life and existence. What the hell is the point of that? You developed this character for 7 seasons just to wipe all of it away? So now he was basically never friends with Clark or anything? He won't remember his father, or how he got where he is? And how could a guy who only has 6 years worth of memories become president, I'm sure he remembers basic human functions that reside in his brain but he's basically an infant in an adult body. How do we know this new mindwiped Lex even hates Superman? He's basically a different person, he has no idea who Clark Kent is, for all we know he might think Superman is super awesome!

And the thing that really pisses me off is that they set up the dynamic SO well in the scene between him and Clark. What was the point of that whole speech is he's just going to be completely mindwiped?

What the hell were they so worried about? That Lex Luthor can't know Superman's secret identity? Well who cares? You've already made enough changes (like Lois knowing Clark had powers before he became Superman, that's a pretty major change) why not do that, and then let people assume that Lex doesn't reveal it publically because of some weird twisted code.

Basically, nothing that happened in this whole series had any effect on this universe's version of Lex Luthor. Considering that they were supposed to be telling the story of Lex Luthor as well as Superman, that's a real drag!

[Tornado]

Yeah I was really surprised they decided to mind-wipe Lex. Like you said, why would he become a 'villain' again? Lex became the man he was because of his father (dead), his memories of his family (now moot), his relationship with Lana (she's gone), his experiences in Smallville (forgotten) and his friendship with Clark (who I'm sure will conceal that fact whenever they meet again). Nothing could possibly be reset to the point where Lex would remember some things. In fact, I would go so far as to say there is no reason to think Lex would become bad again. I'm sure he has basic knowledge of society, but probably little beyond that. They should have just said they that he had the brain of a younger Lex or something; he'd still be evil, but he wouldn't remember who Clark actually is. It's another silly idea, but it's actually less silly than what they did.

Tomorrow I'll write a full review of the finale, the season, and the series as a whole. I'll also do a top ten episode list and I'll rank the seasons. I'd do it today yet, but I have to work at noon and I still want to re-watch the finale before jumping into anything.

[MasterChief117]

I want to watch the Finale in actual HD rather than the **** my channel pushes out. That is NOT HD.

[MasterChief117]

Probably my favorite part of the episode was when Clark got the suit, then jumped/flew/ flumped into the air and changed his suit...then flew at the camera. I mainly loved it because I was REALLY hopeful that we'd see more of the suit...Meh.



IGN gave this episode a 9.5. I can't say I agree.

[Neverending]

As for Lex being evil or not, keep in mind that DARKSEID brought him back. He's a puppet now. Whether he knows it or not. If Granny Goodness was around long enough to raise Tess then someone is looking after Lex. Especially since Clark didn't really do anything. He pushed a planet and flew through Lionel. Darkseid was NOT defeated. At all. He's still around and plotting his next attack. Clark won the BATTLE not the WAR.

HOWEVER, I will agree about one thing. The scene between Clark and Lex at the mansion is completely pointless now since they mindwiped Lex. The planet was in danger and Clark wasted time with Lex for nothing. That was just stupid.

Also, on that subject, Clark wasted a lot of time on nonsense. I got a laugh out of the fact that Lois was told that the Blur had 5 minutes to save the day and yet it took Clark like 30 minutes to get s--t done. Why didn't Clark run to the Jor-El the first moment Darkseid attacked? He goes to the farm, talks to Martha, talks to Jonathan's spirit, goes looking for Tess, goes to the Daily Planet, goes to mansion, has a chat with Lex, goes back to the farm, watches a montage of his life, flies through Lionel/Darkseid, goes to the Fortress and has a chat with Jor-El. THEN he goes to move a planet. But first, let's rescue Lois Lane.

Good Lord, man. And then Tornado wonders why I complain about this show. HOW can you defend this stuff?

Does anyone here watch Nikita on the CW? That show is a perfect example of how Smallville should have been. The season finale was on Thursday and it was intense, fun, exciting, edge of your seat, and FULL OF ACTION!!!!! And then you watch Smallville and it's Clark wasting time. The world is ending, but Clark has other things to do.

[Fresh Prince]

As for Lex being evil or not, keep in mind that DARKSEID brought him back. He's a puppet now. Whether he knows it or not. If Granny Goodness was around long enough to raise Tess then someone is looking after Lex. Especially since Clark didn't really do anything. He pushed a planet and flew through Lionel. Darkseid was NOT defeated. At all. He's still around and plotting his next attack. Clark won the BATTLE not the WAR.

HOWEVER, I will agree about one thing. The scene between Clark and Lex at the mansion is completely pointless now since they mindwiped Lex. The planet was in danger and Clark wasted time with Lex for nothing. That was just stupid.

Also, on that subject, Clark wasted a lot of time on nonsense. I got a laugh out of the fact that Lois was told that the Blur had 5 minutes to save the day and yet it took Clark like 30 minutes to get s--t done. Why didn't Clark run to the Jor-El the first moment Darkseid attacked? He goes to the farm, talks to Martha, talks to Jonathan's spirit, goes looking for Tess, goes to the Daily Planet, goes to mansion, has a chat with Lex, goes back to the farm, watches a montage of his life, flies through Lionel/Darkseid, goes to the Fortress and has a chat with Jor-El. THEN he goes to move a planet. But first, let's rescue Lois Lane.

Good Lord, man. And then Tornado wonders why I complain about this show. HOW can you defend this stuff?

Does anyone here watch Nikita on the CW? That show is a perfect example of how Smallville should have been. The season finale was on Thursday and it was intense, fun, exciting, edge of your seat, and FULL OF ACTION!!!!! And then you watch Smallville and it's Clark wasting time. The world is ending, but Clark has other things to do.

I agree man, I was like wtf. I'm still confused on were they got the Superman comic book from that Chole was reading to her son. And how Lex killed Tess then his mind was wiped out and he was like ''oh..what is all this'' haha that cannot happen after you killed somebody.

[MasterChief117]

The viewership last night was pretty pathetic.

[true fan11212]

As for Lex being evil or not, keep in mind that DARKSEID brought him back. He's a puppet now. Whether he knows it or not. If Granny Goodness was around long enough to raise Tess then someone is looking after Lex. Especially since Clark didn't really do anything. He pushed a planet and flew through Lionel. Darkseid was NOT defeated. At all. He's still around and plotting his next attack. Clark won the BATTLE not the WAR.

HOWEVER, I will agree about one thing. The scene between Clark and Lex at the mansion is completely pointless now since they mindwiped Lex. The planet was in danger and Clark wasted time with Lex for nothing. That was just stupid.

Also, on that subject, Clark wasted a lot of time on nonsense. I got a laugh out of the fact that Lois was told that the Blur had 5 minutes to save the day and yet it took Clark like 30 minutes to get s--t done. Why didn't Clark run to the Jor-El the first moment Darkseid attacked? He goes to the farm, talks to Martha, talks to Jonathan's spirit, goes looking for Tess, goes to the Daily Planet, goes to mansion, has a chat with Lex, goes back to the farm, watches a montage of his life, flies through Lionel/Darkseid, goes to the Fortress and has a chat with Jor-El. THEN he goes to move a planet. But first, let's rescue Lois Lane.

Good Lord, man. And then Tornado wonders why I complain about this show. HOW can you defend this stuff?

Technically, after Lois says the five minute thing, the next time you see Clark is when he goes the Fortress and gets the suit. The stuff before that are scenes that he's not in.

Does anyone here watch Nikita on the CW? That show is a perfect example of how Smallville should have been. The season finale was on Thursday and it was intense, fun, exciting, edge of your seat, and FULL OF ACTION!!!!! And then you watch Smallville and it's Clark wasting time. The world is ending, but Clark has other things to do.

I watched the first episode of Nikita and was bored to tears. I tried to watch the second episode and had to stop five minutes in. You maybe right about the Season Finale but unless the show has drastically improved since the first episode, I'm just going to take your word for it. The sad thing about Nikita is that I was rooting for it. I thought it was good that an actress of Asian descent was the lead of a TV show but boy did that first episode put me off.

[Fresh Prince]

The viewership last night was pretty pathetic.

Think thats because alot of people gave up on SV in the past when Clark did not become Superman sooner.

[RingWraith2k4]

As a fan of the show (and Superman), I loved the final episode overall. I do agree with mostly everyone with some of the disappointing stuff from the last episode. But alas, thats Smallville for ya. lol!
Anyhoo, I will miss this series. It was a fun show for me to watch every week. Especially the first 5 seasons.

[Tornado]

Technically, after Lois says the five minute thing, the next time you see Clark is when he goes the Fortress and gets the suit. The stuff before that are scenes that he's not in.

I watched the first episode of Nikita and was bored to tears. I tried to watch the second episode and had to stop five minutes in. You maybe right about the Season Finale but unless the show has drastically improved since the first episode, I'm just going to take your word for it. The sad thing about Nikita is that I was rooting for it. I thought it was good that an actress of Asian descent was the lead of a TV show but boy did that first episode put me off.

Bingo on both counts.

[RingWraith2k4]

TOP 10 EPISODES
Subject to Change

#10 - RED
On this show, there's nothing more badass than Clark Kent under the influence of Red Kryptonite. He's usually such a wimp that it's nice to see him with a bit of cojones.

#9 - VISAGE
Lizzy Caplan FTW. Lesbian stuff involving Lana. And, one of the few decent fight scenes in the series.

#8 - RUN
Clark meets The Flash and finally makes a friend who can "understand" him. I've never seen him so happy before. Even when he ALMOST got laid.

#7 - ONYX
Lex Luthor is the villain of the story. In case you didn't know.

#6 - JUSTICE
Smallville's introduction to the Justice League. And the only episode where they did anything cool.

#5 - COVENANT
Lionel Luthor shaves his head while gettin' s--t done.

#4 - ARROW
Clark Kent gets a haircut while Green Arrow gets s--t done.

#3 - PILOT
This pilot was so perfect... it could have been used as a background story in a Superman film.

#2 - ROSETTA
Christopher Reeve. Nuff Said.

#1 - INSURGENCE
Jeph Loeb FTW.



RANKING THE SEASONS

1) SEASON 2 - Smallville may have lasted 10 seasons and gone in a wildly different direction halfway through, but we were initially promised a series about Clark Kent's coming of age. Season 2 gives us all of that without relying on gimmicks and teen soap operas. Now of couse, this series isn't perfect. We only love it because it's about Superman. If it wasn't, we would have kicked it to the side like Heroes. So, there are some flaws to acknowledge. Jor-El being a jackass was stupid. Clark acted irrational most of the time. And, the Native Americans were not given their proper due.

2) SEASON 3 - Clark and Lex are the two central characters. And this is the season where things blow-up in their face. Clark caused a big mess in the season 2 finale and it haunts him the entire season. He also struggles with his friendships. Pete turns into an idiot, Chloe backstabs him, and Lana leaves the country. Meanwhile, Lex goes after his father and doesn't win. The big flaw about this season is that it's too un-even. Gough & Millar made the silly mistake of creating seperate plotlines for the two halfs of the season.

3) SEASON 6 - This season suffers from the same problems as season 3. It's un-even. The two halfs are almost un-related. It also has another flaw. The second half of the season is terrible. I really did not care about the Lex-Lana bull s--t. The first half of the season, however, is awesome. Green Arrow is the best thing that ever happened to this show. He was the series' first true superhero and showed Clark how it's done.

4) SEASON 4 - Lois Lane's introduction was brilliant. They used her to the fullest potential and gave her a great deal of screentime with Clark. I loved every minute of it. I also enjoyed the story arc featuring Clark as a HS football hero. They were a bit cheesy, but loads of fun. However, I could not stand that stupid "Lana as a witch" plotline.

5) SEASON 7 - Despite what Tornado says, this season was good. It was the series' natural conclusion. Gough & Millar were just too stupid to realize it. All the major running plots came to an end. Dr. Swann's secret society finally came to light. We also got to explore more Kryptonian backstory thanks to Kara. That even included Clark getting to meet his mother. It was refreshing considering that we had been dealing with jackass Jor-El for 6 seasons. So, in other words, Clark finally discovered that his parents weren't all that bad. Kara showing up was great. She finally motivated Clark to get his s--t together. The Clark and Lana nonsense finally stops. Meanwhile, Lex pushed Lionel out of a window and embraced his dark side. The season's biggest flaw, as mentioned earlier, is that Gough & Millar didn't wrap things up. Clark should have dumped Lana's butt when he realized that Bizarro would love her like he never could. Clark shouldn't have been such a wimp and learned what he needed to from Kara. Clark and Lex should have come to blows FOR REAL. Now, how do you fit Superman into this? Well... with an open ending. Lois gives Clark the application to the Daily Planet. He fills it up and joins. In his free time, he has Martha or Kara make him a suit and the series ends with Clark giving the suit a test drive. I know that isn't very exciting, but then again, I have my doubts of season 10 ending with Clark fighting Darkseid in the suit.

6) SEASON 10 - This season feels like an exhausting conclusion. We are getting nice things, but it took an awful long time to get here. This show over-stayed it's welcome. Let's just be honest. There's only two ways that Smallville should have lasted 10 seasons. The first option is if he had stayed in college. Season 5 thru 8 would have been the college years. Clark is getting his degree in journalism and dealing with Professor Fine from time to time. Then in seasons 9 & 10 he's in Metropolis, working at the Daily Planet, and starting his superhero persona. The other option is Clark traveling the world after high school. But we got neither of those. And so, this show lasted too long. It might not seem that way right now, but trust me, once you started re-watching the seasons you'll realize how tiresome things get after a while.

7) SEASON 9 - Clark finally became a superhero. We got the Absolute Justice episode. Lois & Clark started to date. All of those were good. But... Zod was a waste and the Suicide Squad ultimately did nothing.

8) SEASON 8 - Lana was gone. That was nice. Lois & Clark were working together at the Daily Planet. That was nice too. Green Arrow became a series regular. That was pretty cool, I guess. Although I preferred him in season 6. HOWEVER, Doomsday was a MAJOR letdown. Jimmy Olsen turns out to be a fake. So, his three year relationship with Chloe was a waste.

9) SEASON 5 - This season was a turning point for the series. It moved closer to Superman and the mythology. We started getting class villains instead of the meteor infected criminals. That was nice for a change. Sadly, Brainiac wasn't used to his full potential and the season had WAY too many filler episodes.

10) SEASON 1 - Four words: Freaks of the Week.

I agree with pretty much everything you said here in your post. A lot of what you said that you like reminds me why I loved the show in the first place.

Although I actually didn't mind the whole "Lana being possessed as a witch". But I know I'm in the extreme minority on that subject. lol!

[Ramplate]

Alrighty then,

i missed all the shows following the mid season break, so I had to draw some conclusions based on who was there and their actions in the final show.
yeah I agree it was a mixed result - lots to love, lots left to be desired.
Clark and Lois were great with each other again - especially the door scene, and I loved it when he showed up to walk her down the aisle himself.

I liked the evil group of people, and Oliver's confrontation, but yeah Superman flies through the zombie dad/Darkseid at the end and he's just defeated? blarghh - needed more - especially with just pushing the planet away (which was cool).

Seemed like everything was a pressing catastrophe with the dark planet looming - but everyone took their time to wish each other goodbye and kiss and look longingly in each others eyes. Yawn.

A lot of it also turned into a clip show - but the way they did that was the best I've seen in a long time. Pretty well integrated into the story.

I liked the Frankenstein's monster angle they did with Lex, Tess, and their father - to me that was really cool. I didn't really mind the mind wipe - Lex could easily read about his family history at a later time and be furious with what went on.

Loved seeing the costume and hearing the music - that gave me shivers. And I loved the fact that they recreated the future scene that Clark was given back before the mid season break (when Brainiac took him into the future) - that was neat. The office and rooftop thing.

yeah they could have spent more time with him in the suit at the end - they in fact should have made it a 3 hour show - that would have been watchable too - and maybe have another battle on the other planet.

[Neverending]

The viewership last night was pretty pathetic.

Most people don't give a s--t anymore. 10 years ago, this show averaged 5.90 million viewers. Now it averages a little over 2 million. 2.97 million viewers for the finale of a decade long show is pretty ridiculous.

I watched the first episode of Nikita and was bored to tears. I tried to watch the second episode and had to stop five minutes in. You maybe right about the Season Finale but unless the show has drastically improved since the first episode, I'm just going to take your word for it.

Unlike Smallville, Nikita moves at rapid speed. The early episodes were mostly "adaptations" of the movies and USA TV series. We got a lot of the same exposition from the previous incarnations. So, I totally understand why you were bored with it. But man, the show has moved so far away from that. It's a totally different show now. Alex (Nikita's sidekick) isn't even in Division anymore. That's how much the storyline has progressed. I don't want to spoil anything in case you decide to check out the show during the summer, but a lot of s--t went down over the season. If the show gets picked up, which seems very likely because it's a big hit overseas, it will be it's own beast. You can forget about the previous versions at this point.

The sad thing about Nikita is that I was rooting for it. I thought it was good that an actress of Asian descent was the lead of a TV show

Maggie Q is the best thing about this show. The fight and action scenes on the series are un-matched at the moment.

[Alien]

Beware Franken-Lex! I was expecting Lex to be some Darkside magic mumbo jumbo but instead he is a super secret Frankenstein's monster made from secret Lex clones... Really?!

Also to answer the question of how Lex will become evil again. Have you not watched the show? If we were getting a season 11 after this episode, you know in the mid-season final it would be a big reveal that the neurotoxins didn't have a lasting effect.

[King_of_Skid_Row]

Words can not describe how epic that was. It was probably the most epic thing I've seen all year besides HHH vs The Undertaker at WM27. Yes, this finale I felt was even more epic than Thor.

Just seeing Clark at the end as Superman saving the world from Apokolips and preventing the plane from crashing was awesome! What i love about it is how it has this full circle feel to it and really unites the entire series. Finale was great and is now my favorite episode.

10/10

[Neverending]

this finale I felt was even more epic than Thor.

Okay. Let's not exaggerate. The finale looked like a SyFy Channel TV Movie. There was nothing epic about it. It was chesse-tastic. Like watching an episode of Lois & Clark.

In the old days, when Smallville had a decent budget, they could do badass things. Remember when Clark, excuse me, Kal-El flew in the season 4 premiere. THAT was badass! CGI Superman touching a plane and moving a planet was like watching one of those 1940s Superman serials with Kirk Alyn where he turned into a cartoon everytime he flew.

Just to refresh your memory, here's Kal-El flying: http://youtu.be/AAc7EbygoTI. Compare that to the s--t we got on Friday night.

[Tornado]

I thought the finale was pretty epic too. Suck on that Neverending.

[Neverending]

Clark watching a montage of his life as the Earth is under attack was quite the epic moment.

[MasterChief117]

Clark blasting through the Fortress and at the end running along the rooftop was REALLY epic. I had chills and I was smiling like an idiot. It was so cool.

[Neverending]

It was cool till you realized that Superman was CGI and that we would never see Tom Welling in the suit except for a shirt rip. That killed it right there. The same way that Clark and Lex's scene at the mansion was killed by the mindwipe at the end.

[true fan11212]

Unlike Smallville, Nikita moves at rapid speed. The early episodes were mostly "adaptations" of the movies and USA TV series. We got a lot of the same exposition from the previous incarnations. So, I totally understand why you were bored with it. But man, the show has moved so far away from that. It's a totally different show now. Alex (Nikita's sidekick) isn't even in Division anymore. That's how much the storyline has progressed. I don't want to spoil anything in case you decide to check out the show during the summer, but a lot of s--t went down over the season. If the show gets picked up, which seems very likely because it's a big hit overseas, it will be it's own beast. You can forget about the previous versions at this point.

VERY rarely do I give shows second chances (you don't get me in the first episode, you don't get me), so I don't think I'll be watching it again anytime soon. In fact, Smallville is one of two or three shows I have ever given a second chance to (I actually stopped watching it a few episodes into Season One but started watching it again in Season Two and decided to stick with it).


Clark watching a montage of his life as the Earth is under attack was quite the epic moment.

You do realize that all of that isn't in real time, right? Sure, it's a three minute sequence but in Clark's mind, it's only an instant. It's not like he made some popcorn and sat down to watch a movie.

[Neverending]

You do realize that all of that isn't in real time, right? Sure, it's a three minute sequence but in Clark's mind, it's only an instant. It's not like he made some popcorn and sat down to watch a movie.

It doesn't matter. If Earth is under attack you need to create some tension, some suspense, some edge of your seat excitement. Smallville did none of that. There was never a race against time for Clark. He took his sweet time to get the suit and move a planet.

[Tornado]

I'm really glad that for the entire time I've been posting in this thread and enjoying it with everyone else, you've been here to try to tear it down in your small ways. As much as I think you enjoy the bickering between us, it's the one aspect of 'Smallville' that I won't miss a bit.

[true fan11212]

It doesn't matter. If Earth is under attack you need to create some tension, some suspense, some edge of your seat excitement. Smallville did none of that. There was never a race against time for Clark. He took his sweet time to get the suit and move a planet.

Personally, my interest in the episode wasn't about whether he could stop the planet from hitting Earth or not because A) they screwed the pooch on the Darkseid storyline already and B) The nature of a prequel already kind of robs that suspense anyway. My interest in the episode is whether or not Clark's emotional journey to becoming Superman rang true. It wasn't about whether he CAN stop the planet but whether he's in the right place TO stop the planet. I'm not saying that the plot was flawless - it definitely needed work - but I found it more important that the episode work on an emotional level than as some "will he save the world" adventure story.

[King_of_Skid_Row]

Okay. Let's not exaggerate. The finale looked like a SyFy Channel TV Movie. There was nothing epic about it. It was chesse-tastic. Like watching an episode of Lois & Clark.

In the old days, when Smallville had a decent budget, they could do badass things. Remember when Clark, excuse me, Kal-El flew in the season 4 premiere. THAT was badass! CGI Superman touching a plane and moving a planet was like watching one of those 1940s Superman serials with Kirk Alyn where he turned into a cartoon everytime he flew.

Just to refresh your memory, here's Kal-El flying: http://youtu.be/AAc7EbygoTI. Compare that to the s--t we got on Friday night.

The s--t we got on Friday imo still looked better than Kal-El's little flight. You are over blowing a completely pointless and forgettable scene.

In terms of story and action, Supe beat Thor. Once again, The God of Thunder ain't got nothing on the Man of Steel.

[Neverending]

As much as I think you enjoy the bickering between us, it's the one aspect of 'Smallville' that I won't miss a bit.

I don't think we've ever bickered. You hardly defend this show. Your only real defense is, "oh, it mirrored my life."

Personally, my interest in the episode wasn't about whether he could stop the planet from hitting Earth or not because A) they screwed the pooch on the Darkseid storyline already and B) The nature of a prequel already kind of robs that suspense anyway.

Good point.

My interest in the episode is whether or not Clark's emotional journey to becoming Superman rang true. It wasn't about whether he CAN stop the planet but whether he's in the right place TO stop the planet. I'm not saying that the plot was flawless - it definitely needed work - but I found it more important that the episode work on an emotional level than as some "will he save the world" adventure story.

The problem with the emotional journey is that they dropped the ball on that a LONG time ago. Clark didn't need 10 years to become Superman. He didn't need a montage of his life to motivate him. Clark was ready in season 5. The writers simply found every excuse in the book to delay the transformation.

That's why it bothered me that Clark wasted so much time. It's like, "f--k, turn into Superman already." And then when he does it's mega-disappointing. CGI Superman. Tom Welling wearing a t-shirt during the shirt-rip scene. Yeah, that's right. On Kryptonsite and SHH, people are claiming that Tom Welling was wearing a t-shirt during the shirt-rip scene. The guy never wore the suit. Period. It's ridiculous when you think about it. We waited a decade for that?

[King_of_Skid_Row]

Yep. And it was worth the wait. Watching Superman flying up and moving a flaming planet of doom is just too awesome.

[Neverending]

You are over blowing a completely pointless and forgettable scene.

Even Tornado will admit that Kal-El flying was neither pointless or forgettable. It was a series highlight.

[Neverending]

Watching Superman flying up

I want to see TOM WELLING flying up. Not a computer image.

and moving a flaming planet of doom

We never saw him move the planet. We just saw the planet float away. I know it's a TV show and their budget is very small, but if you can't afford it then don't even try it.

[King_of_Skid_Row]

Point is, Superman moved the flaming planet of doom. The purpose of not showing him do it is create tension. To get you to think if he can actually do it or not.

And I stand by what I said, Kal-El flying was forgettable along with Season 4. If he flew after that event, yes it would be something. But as it stands, it's no more memorable than Justin the telekinetic killer.

[Neverending]

Kal-El flying was forgettable

So, you're seriously taking CGI Superman over a legitmately produced flying sequence featuring Tom Welling? Yeah, you're just trollin' now.

along with Season 4

I'll take season 4 over anything we got in season 10. The Football Storyline alone was better than the last 3 years of Smallville.

[King_of_Skid_Row]

^I'm taking Superman over Welling because Superman>>Welling. I mean, it's Superman.

And you'd rather watch Clark play football and deal with Wicked Witch of the Central Lana than see Superman save the planet and kick a**......yeah. I think this debate is over.

[Neverending]

you'd rather watch Clark play football and deal with Wicked Witch of the Central Lana than see Superman save the planet and kick a**......yeah. I think this debate is over.

No. I rather watch a Superman-based program that's light-hearted, fun, and has some humor. I rather watch a show where Clark Kent is happy and feeling good about himself. I rather watch a series that's full of bright colors instead of low-saturation. This is Superman not Batman. I rather watch a show where Lex Luthor is the villain of the story (Onyx reference). I rather watch a series where Clark has a friend he can relate too (Bart Allen/Run reference). I rather watch Clark display real emotions when someone he loves is killed (Alicia's death > Jonathan Kent's death). And finally, I rather watch a Superman-based program where the actor portraying the Man of Steel performs the flying visual effects.

[King_of_Skid_Row]

Problem is, the actor himself didn't want to wear it. The story calls for Superman's appearance but Welling didn't want to put the damn thing on. Either way, as long as Supe is back on the screen I'm happy.

Too bad Welling doesn't want to wear it, I think him and also Green Arrow would've been perfect choices for The Justice League movie.

[Red Star Rao]

The season finale of SMALLVILLE was pretty good! For the most part...

First, I'll chime in about the CGI Superman/Tom Welling. I'm having a hard time understanding what was so wrong. I guess a live action Tom Welling would have made the special effects look better, but literally nothing else would have changed: The same scenes, the same action, the same things would have occurred - regardless of a live-action Superman suit VS a CGI Superman Suit. In the context of the show, a live-action suit vs a CGI suit is irrelevant. It's only a problem in the real world knowing you're watching a tv show.

Now onto the episode! :)

I really liked it and thought they did a good job. My only gripe is it seemed like the bad guys were defeated too quickly and easily. For example, when Green Arrow confronts Granny Goodness, Desaad, and Gofrey...he announces himself and shoots them with three arrows and that's that. The three were practically unstoppable throughout the whole season with only Clark being able to defeat them (after Clark took his whoopings first).

Clark defeating DarkSied/Lionel. It was very cool how Clark finally learned to 100% take flight and use that most powerful (and final power) to defeat Darksied...but it was too quick and too easy. Still cool nonetheless though.

Pushing the planet away was cool, but I wish they would have made a bigger point that the reason all of the people's 'dark mark' on there foreheads were going away was because they saw Superman pushing the planet away AND SUPERMAN IS THE LIGHT!! It's fine that they didn't literally show the Man of Steel pushing the planet, but I think they should have made a bigger deal about Superman being the light and that's the reason why people started to lose Darksieds mark.

The ending from when Jor-El revealed the Superman Suit to Clark all the way to the end credits was AWESOME. I was pumped the WHOLE TIME and hearing the Superman music while watching Superman doing super feats and saving the day was fantastic! I liked the little homage to 'Superman The Movie' by saving Air Force One. Also seeing the look on Lois's face as she saw Superman for the first time and seeing what Clark has become was awesome. The little nod from Clark/Superman to Lois as they looked at each other though the window was great. I never once thought about Superman being CGI until I came to these boards and saw people complaining. :confused: Anyway, the final scene on the rooftop of The Daily Planet where Clark is running and opens his shirt with the Superman Theme blaring was PERFECT. I doubt their is a better way to send off SMALLVILLE. And it was also what a lot of Smallville fans have been clamoring for since the first few seasons when they were predicting an ending, from what I remember. They gave fans exactly what they wanted in that respect. Is there a better final ending (where he opens his shirt with the theme song blaring) than that for Smallville?

The comic book thing was a bit out of left field, but I just summed it up as another homage to 'Superman The Movie".

Overall, it was a good episode. Lex Luthor was pretty awesome. I knew people wouldn't like the mind wipe thing...I'm a bit surprised nobody has dubbed it the Smallville version of the infamous 'super-kiss'. :funny: Anyway... Although I think people have legitimate reasons why it doesn't make a lot of sense...I also think people are simply over-thinking it. It was just meant to erase Lex's knowledge of Superman's secret identity. The writers maybe didn't think it all the way through, but I'm not gonna worry about it. It's more a problem in the day of the internet and message boards where every single detail can be dissected. Their are certainly legit reasons for it being a wrong move, but I prefer to take it at its intention (so Lex wouldn't know Superman is Clark Kent) at face value. Plus, it plays into the Superman movie mytho's a little too. We had the 'super-kiss' to erase Lois's memory in Superman II and we had Superman reversing the Earth in Superman I, and now we have another memory erasing ordeal. My only gripe about Lex's mind wipe is that it seemed too convenient and too easy.

Anyway...GOOD EPISODE IMO!!

RSR

[Red Star Rao]

I just finished re-watching the final 5 minutes and you know what, all crap aside, the moment where Clark and Lois are in the Daily Planet talking about the wedding - and all the sudden a random reporter comes in yelling "Someone tell Perry White...there's a bomb in an elevator up town!" and then we get the very first thumps of the Superman theme song. Awesome! And then, when Clark opens the door on the rooftop and we're at the main part of the song: signifying that (finally) SUPERMAN IS HERE!!!!!!!!!! THAT WHOLE SCENE WAS AWESOME!!!!!!

[King_of_Skid_Row]

^indeed it was. It was probavbly the greatest moment of the series.

[Ayemef]

Either way, as long as Supe is back on the screen I'm happy.


So that means you would've been happy with a CGI or Cartoon Superman in replace of all of the scenes involving Christopher Reeves in the Superman films?

because that's basically what you're saying

sorry, but those films wouldn't have been as magical if it wasn't for physically seeing Reeves in the suit, flying, allowing the audience to believe, that yes, A MAN CAN FLY

and sorry again, but a cartoon superman, or a CGI superman doesn't do that

if I wanted to see a cartoon Superman I'll pop in my Max Fleischer, Ruby Spears or Timm Dini animated series, or any of the vast animated Superman films

the FACT of the matter is that WELLING failed to deliver to the fans what REEVES delivered.

that's it in a nutshell, it's literally that black and white

you were left with a flat feeling after the lack luster finale


Problem is, the actor himself didn't want to wear it. The story calls for Superman's appearance but Welling didn't want to put the damn thing on.

and you know who DID want to put the damn thing on?

George Reeves, Christopher Reeves, Dean Cain, Brandon Routh

and that's where a lot of people's gripes come in, Welling did NOT

and THAT is God Damn Shame

there's no beating around that bush, man jipped his fans and the fans of the character in general and we in the industry call that....A ***** Move

[Deexan]

The cotton industry?

[chumchees]

In Tom Welling defense, this is not a Superman show. Those other actors were in Superman shows and movies. This is about Clark Kent, and he agreed in the beginning of the series he would not have to wear tights.

But even if he wore it, it would not have made the finale or series that much better, it was still a poor finale.

[King_of_Skid_Row]

Actually it was better than most finales. In fact, it was better than the crap we got when Lana was on the show.

[Neverending]

he agreed in the beginning of the series he would not have to wear tights

He also promised no flight.

[Alien]

Maybe he felt a little un-manly in tights though.

[Neverending]

Tom Welling is officially un-employed. The CW today cancelled Hellcats, the cheerleader teen drama that Welling executive produced. Hmmm... I wonder what he's gonna do now.

[Neverending]

Oh, and speaking of Nikita, it will take Smallville's time slot of Friday's at 8pm. It will serve as the lead-in for Supernatural. Both shows are produced by McG's company.

[Tolkien]

I didn't even realize Nikita was still on the air, and making it to another season no less?

[true fan11212]

Tom Welling is officially un-employed. The CW today cancelled Hellcats, the cheerleader teen drama that Welling executive produced. Hmmm... I wonder what he's gonna do now.

Heard the news yesterday. It sucks because I liked the show a lot.

Oh, and speaking of Nikita, it will take Smallville's time slot of Friday's at 8pm. It will serve as the lead-in for Supernatural. Both shows are produced by McG's company.

Shouldn't they put that with Sarah Michelle Gellar's new show Ringer? It's a much better fit in terms of concepts. I guess they had to put it somewhere, though, because they got a new TV Show about a girl discovering she's a witch and that feels like it would compliment The Vampire Diaries.

[Neverending]

I didn't even realize Nikita was still on the air, and making it to another season no less?

It's on life support in the U.S., but overseas it has become a hit. Keep in mind that the original Nikita was a French film by Luc Besson. So, it has more name recognition in Europe. Warner Bros. is making some good cash from that market, so they're keeping it alive.

Heard the news yesterday. It sucks because I liked the show a lot.

Yeah, I liked Hellcats too. Now I'm gonna have to go somewhere else for my Aly Michalka fix.

Shouldn't they put that with Sarah Michelle Gellar's new show Ringer? It's a much better fit in terms of concepts. I guess they had to put it somewhere, though, because they got a new TV Show about a girl discovering she's a witch and that feels like it would compliment The Vampire Diaries.

CW, for whatever reason, is devoting nights to certain creators/producers. Gossip Girl is being paired with Hart of Dixie which is from the same creators. The Secret Circle is being paired with Vampire Diaries. Both are produced by Kevin Williamson. Nikita and Supernatural are being paired because they're both McG shows.

[Ayemef]

In Tom Welling defense, this is not a Superman show. Those other actors were in Superman shows and movies. This is about Clark Kent, and he agreed in the beginning of the series he would not have to wear tights.


so then why show Superman at all?

[Ramplate]

:rolleyes:

[Fresh Prince]

Tom Welling is officially un-employed. The CW today cancelled Hellcats, the cheerleader teen drama that Welling executive produced. Hmmm... I wonder what he's gonna do now.

Try and be in other tv shows or Hollywood movies.

[Tolkien]

It's on life support in the U.S., but overseas it has become a hit. Keep in mind that the original Nikita was a French film by Luc Besson. So, it has more name recognition in Europe. Warner Bros. is making some good cash from that market, so they're keeping it alive.
I remember that, it's just, I didn't think that the European fan base would still be interested in a adaptation when the lead star was changed to an asian girl.



Also, CW SUCKS!!! I WAS REALLY GETTING INTO HELLCATS!!!

[Neverending]

Try and be in other tv shows or Hollywood movies.

Tom Welling has been on a dry spell for a LONG time. Hellcats was the first non-Smallville project he worked on in like 5 years.

I didn't think that the European fan base would still be interested in a adaptation when the lead star was changed to an asian girl.

Are Europeans that racist?

[Alien]

Are Europeans that racist?Of course we are, why else would the Irish blow up the English all the time? And why else would the Scottish hate the English? And why else would the Welsh hate the English? Maybe the English are just evil actually... ;)

[RingWraith2k4]

Since the series finale has come and gone last week, I thought this week I should watch some of the early season episodes from some of my dvd seasons of Smallville. I started watching the pilot episode yesterday after not seeing any of this early stuff for more than probably 5 or 6 years.
Wow! Nostalgia hit me seeing the original cast with younger faces. Right now I'm loving seeing all this all over again. Even with all the cheesy "freaks of the week" episodes, I'm being very entertained now.

Ah the memories!

[Fresh Prince]

Tom Welling has been on a dry spell for a LONG time. Hellcats was the first non-Smallville project he worked on in like 5 years.



Are Europeans that racist?

Man was only in 3 movies, and his acting is better then how it was years ago. He can do action movies and I think be quite fine in them.

[Neverending]

http://www.ugo.com/tv/worst-series-finales

Insane TV Series Finales (That Completely Ruined the Show)
It's always heartbreaking saying goodbye to our favorite TV shows, let alone when the relationship ends this badly. Relive the heartache with UGO's list of TV's Worst Series Finales!

23) Smallville

Leaving on Bad Terms: Smallville's "Finale"

Granted this one's still fresh and will continue to divide people for years, but hear us out. Smallville had a decent finale wrapping up its historic ten-year run. All the right emotional beats were there, and the relationships between characters were given their proper due amidst the backdrop of an epic (and visually impressive) Apokoliptian invasion. And if you weren't moved by Lois' and Clark's vows, or Jonathan's role in giving his son that final push toward his destiny, you must come from another planet. So what went wrong?

For ten years, fans have wanted only one thing, promised at the outset: Superman. What we got, were blurry, far-away shots of a CG model, or closeups of Tom's face. What happened? Were there legal issues, or did Tom Welling simply not want to wear the full costume on camera? Questions like this will undoubtedly plague Smallville cast and crew for years.

Beyond that were the sheer wealth of storylines sloppily addressed to make way for said emotional beats and comic continuity. Darkseid finally made his invasion maneuver, but his only tangible appearance (in a human form, of course) was dismissed by Clark simply flying through him. Whatever that means. His henchmen? Shot with un-explained arrows and vanishing in a puff of smoke. Clearly, the writers didn't have their attentions invested in these storylines.

And of course, Lex. Wonderful as it was to have Michael Rosenbaum back (and it was, his and Clark's scene was magnificent, a question we'd wondered since day one was just as lazily waved aside. Why didn't Lex recognize Superman in later years? Oh, because Tess conveniently wiped his memory at the last second. Because the last 20 years of his life will probably never come up in conversation again. Try as they might, Smallville is going to remain divisive with fans for years to come, good or bad.

[MasterChief117]

IGN did Top 25 episodes of Smallville, all time and put Finale 3rd, I do believe. Interesting, especially after seeing that.

[Ayemef]

on point article right there

[Neverending]

The fanbase is divided.

[MasterChief117]

I'm in the middle. It's definitely not what I wanted but it's not like end of the world bad.

[Neverending]

I'll meet you half-way.

[Tornado]

Ruin the show? Come on. It's not like Lost where they completely changed the value of the entire series, essentially. Smallville gave us what we wanted, they just didn't do that great of a job at it. We still got Clark flying, wearing the tights, and becoming Superman.

[ViRUs]

I pretty much agree with what Tornado said. It was good, I'll leave it at that.

[Alien]

I don't really get the hate of the LOST final. Smallville I sorta do.

Apokolips was another planet, a huge planet! Yet some how it hit the atmosphere and didn't cause any earthquakes or crazy volcanoes or anything. Does gravity not excite in Smallville's universe now? I get that this probably happened in old Superman comics but I hope they don't get away with this in newer comics, I'd have to hope the readers would complain.

That was the one (Planet sized) thing, that stopped me liking the final. I could've looked past Tom not really in the Superman suit, and the Superman Returns scene at the end with Apokolips superimposed over the kryptonite island/landmass. I could have got over most of the foibles since you sort of had to do that to enjoy any episode of Smallville, but Apokolips getting so close just blew it for me.

[true fan11212]

Ruin the show? Come on. It's not like Lost where they completely changed the value of the entire series, essentially. Smallville gave us what we wanted, they just didn't do that great of a job at it. We still got Clark flying, wearing the tights, and becoming Superman.

It did?

[Neverending]

According to Tom Arnold on Conan, Michael Rosenbaum has a big penis.

[boydston_14]

Now that I think I've had enough time to form words, here we go. Only two things bothered me in the finale, and they were big enough to make me wonder: "Why was I so invested in this show for ten years?"
1) The far away shots of Clark, the super close-up, the CGI..... All the clever ways of dancing around the subject. If they didn't want to have Welling in the suit, then they shouldn't have hinted at it so much, even having him holding the suit and getting it a year ago. I think I would have been alright with nothing over the teases we got.
2) Lex's memory being erased. I know they wanted it to fit in with continuity, but at the same time, it erases all of his character development of the first seven seasons, pretty much making a majority of the show moot.
I'm not sure why they decided to do those things. Hell, I'm even fine with Lionel-seid, and Chloe reading that comic book to her son at the end (not to mention her still being with Green Arrow, which I presume was the case in the flash-forward). Ah well, though. It's not like I invested ten years of my life into watching the show. Oh, wait....

[Tornado]

I've only seen the finale twice. I've been meaning to watch it again... but Welling not being in the tights really left a sour taste in my mouth. Any ten year show would be difficult to end in a way that satisfies everybody, and I do think they gave it a pretty good shot, but it left something to be desired. I will eventually write a full series review. It's probably going to be a while though.

[MasterChief117]

I've only seen it once and haven't been able to download a HD version of it to watch it. CW here in Cincy is always like SD and it looks HORRIBLE.

[Red Star Rao]

The one thing I keep hearing from people who are the most upset; is that Tom Welling didn't wear the actual Superman Suit. But what I don't hear for the most part, from those who are are upset about this, is that the end "storywise" was also bad. I'm curious to know if the ending remained exactly the same, but Tom Welling had worn the real thing (not CGI), would that have made the ending good?

I, for one, thought the ending was awesome. It didn't bother me that Clark was in CGI (nor did I even think about it until I came to this board and noticed people complaining about it). And the very tail ending (when it was 7 years later) and Clark and Lois were in the Daily Planet and a random reporter comes running in yelling "Someone tell Perry White...there's a bomb at the tower across town!" and you hear the first "BUM!, BUM!" of the Superman theme song...then Clark starts running up the stairs to the rooftop and the Superman buid-up music continues...then as soon as the rooftop door opens and Clark walks through with his chest out you hear the Superman themesong blaring! That was just totally awesome! I don't think wearing the real suit would have changed anything for that particular scene (assuming that was not the real suit under his button shirt).

Here's the age ol' question... Would you have rather had the very good ending we got with Tom Welling wearing a CGI suit? Or would you have rather had a crappy ending with Tom Welling wearing the real thing? (having both the real suit and the good ending is not an option in the above question presented, otherwise SMALLVILLE would have done that)

Anyway, jmo. I thought the ending was awesome. I'm not trying to argue or stir the pot. Shame that it didn't deliver for others. :redface:

Red Star Rao

[chumchees]

I don't this boydston is referring to that scene. That scene was just fine. It was the scenes where he is flying to save the plane and pushing Apokolips away. We see him from far away, which is not Tom Welling, its CGI and we see him close up which is just Tom Wellings face.

And on a side note, I was just watching season 8 and that season is just horrible, but I dont think its worse then 10.

[Neverending]

Season 8 fell apart when Lana showed up.

[true fan11212]

It really did. The Legion episode was pretty good, though.

[IanTheCool]

Here Torn (and other smallville fans i guess) you ight be interested in this.
http://www.thedigitalbits.com/#mytwocents
Smallville complete series on DVD. No blu-ray though for some reason.

[Neverending]

Yeah... we discussed that already. ;)

[Tornado]

Yeah, I saw the cover a few days ago. Not a fan of it at all. I don't like that it's different from the others in how it's laid out (no red SMALLVILLE banner on the left side, it doesn't say 'The Complete Tenth Season' across the top, etc.). And I'm really not a fan of that poster concept either. I was hoping they'd use this with a red spine:

http://smallville.fanwebsite.co.uk/uploads/news/smallville_4daf367a38b5a.jpg

Except, put Clark in a suit with glasses and get rid of the junk at the bottom of the poster.

[chumchees]

I just finished watching the entire series, I started after the finale and finished today and found myself forwarding a lot of parts. I skipped through Lana/Henry Small scenes, Lana as a witch scenes, Lana/Jason scenes, some Lana and Lex scenes and some Lana and Clark scenes. I skipped the entire episodes of Power, Requiem, Collateral, and Fortune and all of Chloe's season 10 scenes.

I always though season 7 was the worst, but while is was watching again just now I though season 8 was the worst, and now I am saying season 10 is the worst. I would rank them like this.

10
8
7
5
6
4
9
1
2
3

[Tornado]

Season 10 as the worst? Really? I'd say it's middle of the pack, probably in the top half.

[Neverending]

Considering how disappointing the finale was... season 10 dropped to the lower half.

[Tornado]

I'd put Seasons 3, 4, 5, and 9 in some arrangement at the top, Seasons 1, 2, 6, 8, and 10 in the middle, and 1 and 7 at the bottom. Probably something like this:

1. Season 5
2. Season 3
3. Season 9
4. Season 4
5/6. Season 2/10 (tie)
7. Season 6
8. Season 8
9. Season 1
10. Season 7

I don't really know though. It's been a while since I've seen anything from some of these seasons. Season 10 is obviously fresh in my mind and I somewhat recently upgraded Seasons 6-9 to Blu-ray, so I half-heartedly went through those as I bought them. But Seasons 1-5? I remember details, sure, but not much about what I loved and/or hated about those seasons.

[Neverending]

Re-watch season 2. It was the best. Season 3 was awesome in the second-half. And season 4 was awesome in the first-half with Lois Lane and Clark as a football hero.

MY RANK:

1) SEASON 2 - Smallville may have lasted 10 seasons and gone in a wildly different direction halfway through, but we were initially promised a series about Clark Kent's coming of age. Season 2 gives us all of that without relying on gimmicks and teen soap operas. Now of couse, this series isn't perfect. We only love it because it's about Superman. If it wasn't, we would have kicked it to the side like Heroes. So, there are some flaws to acknowledge. Jor-El being a jackass was stupid. Clark acted irrational most of the time. And, the Native Americans were not given their proper due.

2) SEASON 3 - Clark and Lex are the two central characters. And this is the season where things blow-up in their face. Clark caused a big mess in the season 2 finale and it haunts him the entire season. He also struggles with his friendships. Pete turns into an idiot, Chloe backstabs him, and Lana leaves the country. Meanwhile, Lex goes after his father and doesn't win. The big flaw about this season is that it's too un-even. Gough & Millar made the silly mistake of creating seperate plotlines for the two halfs of the season.

3) SEASON 6 - This season suffers from the same problems as season 3. It's un-even. The two halfs are almost un-related. It also has another flaw. The second half of the season is terrible. I really did not care about the Lex-Lana bull s--t. The first half of the season, however, is awesome. Green Arrow is the best thing that ever happened to this show. He was the series' first true superhero and showed Clark how it's done.

4) SEASON 4 - Lois Lane's introduction was brilliant. They used her to the fullest potential and gave her a great deal of screentime with Clark. I loved every minute of it. I also enjoyed the story arc featuring Clark as a HS football hero. They were a bit cheesy, but loads of fun. However, I could not stand that stupid "Lana as a witch" plotline.

5) SEASON 7 - Despite what Tornado says, this season was good. It was the series' natural conclusion. Gough & Millar were just too stupid to realize it. All the major running plots came to an end. Dr. Swann's secret society finally came to light. We also got to explore more Kryptonian backstory thanks to Kara. That even included Clark getting to meet his mother. It was refreshing considering that we had been dealing with jackass Jor-El for 6 seasons. So, in other words, Clark finally discovered that his parents weren't all that bad. Kara showing up was great. She finally motivated Clark to get his s--t together. The Clark and Lana nonsense finally stops. Meanwhile, Lex pushed Lionel out of a window and embraced his dark side. The season's biggest flaw, as mentioned earlier, is that Gough & Millar didn't wrap things up. Clark should have dumped Lana's butt when he realized that Bizarro would love her like he never could. Clark shouldn't have been such a wimp and learned what he needed to from Kara. Clark and Lex should have come to blows FOR REAL. Now, how do you fit Superman into this? Well... with an open ending. Lois gives Clark the application to the Daily Planet. He fills it up and joins. In his free time, he has Martha or Kara make him a suit and the series ends with Clark giving the suit a test drive. I know that isn't very exciting, but then again, neither was the show's ACTUAL finale in season 10.

6) SEASON 10 - This season was an exhausting conclusion. We are got nice things, but it took an awful long time to get here. This show over-stayed it's welcome. Let's just be honest. There's only two ways that Smallville should have lasted 10 seasons. The first option is if he had stayed in college. Season 5 thru 8 would have been the college years. Clark is getting his degree in journalism and dealing with Professor Fine from time to time. Then in seasons 9 & 10 he's in Metropolis, working at the Daily Planet, and starting his superhero persona. The other option is Clark traveling the world after high school. But we got neither of those. And so, this show lasted too long. It might not seem that way right now, but trust me, once you started re-watching the seasons you'll realize how tiresome things get after a while.

7) SEASON 9 - Clark finally became a superhero. We got the Absolute Justice episode. Lois & Clark started to date. All of those were good. But... Zod was a waste and the Suicide Squad ultimately did nothing.

8) SEASON 8 - Lana was gone (for a while anyway). That was nice. Lois & Clark were working together at the Daily Planet. That was nice too. Green Arrow became a series regular. That was pretty cool, I guess. Although I preferred him in season 6. HOWEVER, Doomsday was a MAJOR letdown. Jimmy Olsen turns out to be a fake. So, his three year relationship with Chloe was a waste.

9) SEASON 5 - This season was a turning point for the series. It moved closer to Superman and the mythology. We started getting class villains instead of the meteor infected criminals. That was nice for a change. Sadly, Brainiac wasn't used to his full potential and the season had WAY too many filler episodes.

10) SEASON 1 - Four words: Freaks of the Week.

[Tornado]

Season 2 was only slightly better than Season 1. And you can stop posting that list in that exact format. Only four or five people read this thread and we've all seen those write-ups at least three times now.

[Neverending]

Season 2 was only slightly better than Season 1.

Um...

- Heat
- Red
- Skinwalker
- Visage
- Insurgence
- Rush
- Rosetta

After watching those episodes, are you REALLY gonna say that season 2 is "only" slightly better than season 1?

[Tornado]

Heat is good, I never liked Red-K so Red and Rush are irrelevant to me, I never cared for the Kawatche storyline either so Skinwalker is out, people only care about Insurgence because of Clark's leap across the building toward the end, and Visage? I don't even know why you listed that episode. It's okay, but nothing spectacular.

Rosetta is one of the best episodes of the series. But it's only one episode. I stand by what I said.

[chumchees]

Season 10 is the worst. It had 2 of worst 5 episodes ever, Collateral and Fortune. Chloe solidified herself as the worst character with her 4 return episodes. Lois fianlly learns the truth and they decide to attach her to Clarks hip and involve her in all the main storylines. She basically had to do everything for him. He wore glasses for 4 episdoes. The whole second half of the season revolves around a wedding that never happens. The suicide squad started off great, I was excited after he end of Ambush, but it is resolved in a horrible way, they just bow down to Chloe. I think it is clear how pathetic Darkseid was. The bring in Superboy for no reason, then for some reason he is allowed to stay but Kara has to leave. They bring back Lex it a stupid way, being the parts of clones, and then wipe his memory. He waits for the last second to fly, we never see Superman or the name mentioned.

[Tornado]

I agree that Season 10 had some duds, but every other season had its own share of stinkers too. Just for example:

Season 1 - Craving, Reaper, Drone, Jitter, etc. (a lot of lousy episodes in Season 1)
Season 2 - Visitor, Redux, Nocturne
Season 3 - Magnetic, Delete, Velocity
Season 4 - Facade, Spell, Ageless
Season 5 - Thirst, Tomb, Void
Season 6 - Wither, Subterranean, Trespass
Season 7 - Fierce, Hero, Sleeper
Season 8 - Power, Requiem, Injustice
Season 9 - Roulette, Persuasion, Conspiracy

And I think, as for the rest of your points, you can nitpick every other season and come up with just as many issues. It's not like the first nine seasons made up the greatest show ever, and then Season 10 came along and ruined it.

[Neverending]

I saw seasons 3, 4, and 5 for $17 at Sam's Club today.

[Neverending]

BIG news for anyone who doesn't own the DVD or Blu-Ray. Or atleast doesn't have all the seasons:

staring tomorrow, TNT will begin airing the series at 12pm. For some stupid reason, they are starting with season 8. But never fear because on October 10th, HDNet will start airing the show again. This time it's getting a 2-hour block from 8-10am. So, basically, three hours of Smallville from Monday thru Friday on two different channels. Remember to set your DVR's.

[ViRUs]

Is HDNet starting over again?

[Neverending]

I don't know, but I assume they'll start from episode 1. I don't know why TNT chose to start with season 8.

[Fresh Prince]

^ TNT did that with Supernatural when it started airing reruns on that station. They started with season 4 and not season 1.

[Neverending]

HDNet will be starting from the beginning.

[ViRUs]

Cool, thats a lot better than Cheers thats on right now.


I wonder if they will stop around season 6 or 7 like they did last time.

[Neverending]

If they do, there's always TNT.

[Neverending]

This morning, I watched Hothead, the first episode to be helmed by Tornado's favorite director, Greg Beeman. It was pretty, pretty good. The only thing that prevented it from being great was the coach burning himself to death. What a cheap, lazy way for Clark to "win."

By the way, I think it's funny that it only took 3 episodes for people to start complaining about the meteor freaks:

Okay I really like Smallville but I think they need to stop with the Kryptonite giving Humans powers..if that is going to be the story line each week it is going to get old real fast.

I agree, they need to stop that. Only one person that I know of in the comic books got powers from Kryptonite, and that was Conduit... and his powers were latent and didn't show up until he was older and he was born the night Superman crashed to earth.

Well about the Smallville plots, before the show came out they revealed that the show will deal with Clark, the meteor shower and the effects in Smallville. From what I hear Luthor Industry is being blamed for using toxic substances that are causing these problems. My theory is that if Luthor is blamed, and he knows the truth about Clark and Krypton, then this may begin the rivalry between the two since Clark is really responsible and everyone blames Luthor.

i think they need to seriously rethink some of the stuff in the show. its getting repititious.

[ViRUs]

I can see their point. Are you going to keep updating this thread again with revisits from old episodes?

[Neverending]

Are you going to keep updating this thread again with revisits from old episodes?

Sometimes.

[Henri Ducard]

Gough & Millar are the executive producers on ABC's remake of Charlie's Angels. On this Thursday's episode, Erica Durance will guest star. Here is the preview:

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[ViRUs]

Sometimes.


Thats cool, I'll be trying to follow along as well.

[Neverending]

Hourglass (from season one) was a great episode.

[Tornado]

It's funny, when Season 10 ended and there was obviously not going to be a sudden change in mentality from the folks at the CW, I thought I would really come to miss the show when the new fall season kicked in. Now, several weeks into what would have been Season 11... I find I don't miss the show at all. I'll buy the Season 10 Blu-ray when it comes out and pop it and other seasons into my player occasionally, but I don't really ever think about Smallville anymore. In hindsight, it's crazy that this show lasted ten years, especially since the ratings started tanking around Season 5 (or even before that).

I always thought that whenever the show ended, I would miss it for a long time after. But now that I don't, I have to wonder how the show would be seen if they had chopped out a lot of the fluff from the last few seasons and condensed Seasons... I don't know, 8-10 into one. They could have introduced Zod and Doomsday in the Season 8 premiere, had him kill Jimmy, Clark could have started wearing his black trenchcoat and dealt with Doomsday around the 6th or 7th episode, all the while diving into Clark's brotherhood with Zod and the Kandorians. Clark could have sent Zod and them to the Phantom Zone around episode 15 or so. Then they could have ended the show they did, spending the last 6-7 episodes with Lois knowing Clark's secret, Clark could start wearing more colorful attire to separate himself from the image the Kandorians left behind, and they could bring in Darkseid in the episode before the finale. It'd be a pretty tight season, but better in the long run I think, and definitely more interesting. There wasn't enough material to stretch Darkseid over the course of an entire season (or rather, they didn't utilize the character well enough to stretch him out that long), so condensing him into essentially three episodes would be better. Then they could go all-out Superman and Darkseid like they did, but it would seem more interesting this way.

It's weird though, without a Superman production really going on right now, my interest in the character has really diminished over the past few months. I'll see the new movie (very low expectations at the moment, maybe that will change when a trailer comes out), but lately I've been wondering how a young Bruce Wayne series (as Millar and Gough originally wanted to do) would have turned out. As much as I loved Smallville, as you all know, I think there may have been more interesting material there for a young Batman show. Smallville did an okay job of finding a way to introduce a lot of Superman's enemies in the show; I think a young Bruce Wayne show would have had a lot harder time justifying why The Joker or The Riddler were hanging around. Would you want to watch seven years of Bruce Wayne bouncing around the world and training? I'm not sure I would. Maybe if he started wearing the cape and cowl around Season 3/4 or so I could see the show hanging around.

Speaking of which, I realize there has kind of always been a Batman film series in process, but why has there not been a live action Batman show since the 60's? Smallville and Superman Returns co-existed, I feel like audiences would have been able to differentiate between film and television Batmen. 'Course, I suppose you'd have people like me who would want to see the television Bruce play the film Bruce, and then be disappointed when that doesn't work out.

I'm going to randomly end this post now because I see I'm really getting off-topic now.

[Fresh Prince]

It's funny, when Season 10 ended and there was obviously not going to be a sudden change in mentality from the folks at the CW, I thought I would really come to miss the show when the new fall season kicked in. Now, several weeks into what would have been Season 11... I find I don't miss the show at all. I'll buy the Season 10 Blu-ray when it comes out and pop it and other seasons into my player occasionally, but I don't really ever think about Smallville anymore. In hindsight, it's crazy that this show lasted ten years, especially since the ratings started tanking around Season 5 (or even before that).

I always thought that whenever the show ended, I would miss it for a long time after. But now that I don't, I have to wonder how the show would be seen if they had chopped out a lot of the fluff from the last few seasons and condensed Seasons... I don't know, 8-10 into one. They could have introduced Zod and Doomsday in the Season 8 premiere, had him kill Jimmy, Clark could have started wearing his black trenchcoat and dealt with Doomsday around the 6th or 7th episode, all the while diving into Clark's brotherhood with Zod and the Kandorians. Clark could have sent Zod and them to the Phantom Zone around episode 15 or so. Then they could have ended the show they did, spending the last 6-7 episodes with Lois knowing Clark's secret, Clark could start wearing more colorful attire to separate himself from the image the Kandorians left behind, and they could bring in Darkseid in the episode before the finale. It'd be a pretty tight season, but better in the long run I think, and definitely more interesting. There wasn't enough material to stretch Darkseid over the course of an entire season (or rather, they didn't utilize the character well enough to stretch him out that long), so condensing him into essentially three episodes would be better. Then they could go all-out Superman and Darkseid like they did, but it would seem more interesting this way.

It's weird though, without a Superman production really going on right now, my interest in the character has really diminished over the past few months. I'll see the new movie (very low expectations at the moment, maybe that will change when a trailer comes out), but lately I've been wondering how a young Bruce Wayne series (as Millar and Gough originally wanted to do) would have turned out. As much as I loved Smallville, as you all know, I think there may have been more interesting material there for a young Batman show. Smallville did an okay job of finding a way to introduce a lot of Superman's enemies in the show; I think a young Bruce Wayne show would have had a lot harder time justifying why The Joker or The Riddler were hanging around. Would you want to watch seven years of Bruce Wayne bouncing around the world and training? I'm not sure I would. Maybe if he started wearing the cape and cowl around Season 3/4 or so I could see the show hanging around.

Speaking of which, I realize there has kind of always been a Batman film series in process, but why has there not been a live action Batman show since the 60's? Smallville and Superman Returns co-existed, I feel like audiences would have been able to differentiate between film and television Batmen. 'Course, I suppose you'd have people like me who would want to see the television Bruce play the film Bruce, and then be disappointed when that doesn't work out.

I'm going to randomly end this post now because I see I'm really getting off-topic now.

I agree their should be a live action Batman television series. I would think AMC could do a good job with a Batman live action television series.

[Neverending]

I think WB doesn't want to over-expose Batman. Between the movies, cartoons, video games and comics, throwing in a live-action TV show would be pushing it towards the edge. Superman doesn't have that problem. Like for example, right now, there's nothing new involving Superman except the monthly comics. Meanwhile, Batman has video games, cartoons on television, and a direct-to-DVD adaptation of "Year One" that's being released on Tuesday.

[Fresh Prince]

^ Yeah your right. Superman needs more video games and ones that are actually good.

[Tornado]

Paul Dini, the writer of Arkham Asylum and Arkham City, said he wants to write a Superman video game. And it kind of sounds like Sefton Hill, the director of Arkham City, said he would be on board with that too. So... maybe Rocksteady will work on a Superman game next. That would be pretty awesome! They've done a great job with Batman, which is made even more important because of how awful superhero video games usually are.

[Alien]

I can't work out how a Superman game would be any good. He's invulnerable, where is the challange?

[Fresh Prince]

I can't work out how a Superman game would be any good. He's invulnerable, where is the challange?

Throw in supervillians like Darkseid, Doomsday and Metallo. They all give Superman a run for his money.

[Alien]

Just don't make it as repetitive as Superman Returns: The Game.

[bbf2]

But we already have a great Superman video game? http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRmh7rOO_lQETElhVyEV9HSv4LaALBmo KShd0Xprj0Hy7cqqniF

[Neverending]

I'm surprised Smallville never got a video game. Just picture it, Lana is in danger, and Clark has to battle a freak of the week for 10 seconds in order to rescue her. The final boss would be Lex Luthor who Clark can defeat by erasing his memory.

[Alien]

But we already have a great Superman video game? http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRmh7rOO_lQETElhVyEV9HSv4LaALBmo KShd0Xprj0Hy7cqqniF
Did they really go the Batman (1989) route and not put his name on the box?

[Neverending]

They didn't want his name to be attached to a sinking ship.

[true fan11212]

It's funny, when Season 10 ended and there was obviously not going to be a sudden change in mentality from the folks at the CW, I thought I would really come to miss the show when the new fall season kicked in. Now, several weeks into what would have been Season 11... I find I don't miss the show at all. I'll buy the Season 10 Blu-ray when it comes out and pop it and other seasons into my player occasionally, but I don't really ever think about Smallville anymore. In hindsight, it's crazy that this show lasted ten years, especially since the ratings started tanking around Season 5 (or even before that).

I always thought that whenever the show ended, I would miss it for a long time after. But now that I don't, I have to wonder how the show would be seen if they had chopped out a lot of the fluff from the last few seasons and condensed Seasons... I don't know, 8-10 into one. They could have introduced Zod and Doomsday in the Season 8 premiere, had him kill Jimmy, Clark could have started wearing his black trenchcoat and dealt with Doomsday around the 6th or 7th episode, all the while diving into Clark's brotherhood with Zod and the Kandorians. Clark could have sent Zod and them to the Phantom Zone around episode 15 or so. Then they could have ended the show they did, spending the last 6-7 episodes with Lois knowing Clark's secret, Clark could start wearing more colorful attire to separate himself from the image the Kandorians left behind, and they could bring in Darkseid in the episode before the finale. It'd be a pretty tight season, but better in the long run I think, and definitely more interesting. There wasn't enough material to stretch Darkseid over the course of an entire season (or rather, they didn't utilize the character well enough to stretch him out that long), so condensing him into essentially three episodes would be better. Then they could go all-out Superman and Darkseid like they did, but it would seem more interesting this way.

It's weird though, without a Superman production really going on right now, my interest in the character has really diminished over the past few months. I'll see the new movie (very low expectations at the moment, maybe that will change when a trailer comes out), but lately I've been wondering how a young Bruce Wayne series (as Millar and Gough originally wanted to do) would have turned out. As much as I loved Smallville, as you all know, I think there may have been more interesting material there for a young Batman show. Smallville did an okay job of finding a way to introduce a lot of Superman's enemies in the show; I think a young Bruce Wayne show would have had a lot harder time justifying why The Joker or The Riddler were hanging around. Would you want to watch seven years of Bruce Wayne bouncing around the world and training? I'm not sure I would. Maybe if he started wearing the cape and cowl around Season 3/4 or so I could see the show hanging around.


I kind of miss the show simply but not to the extent that I crave to watch the whole series again anytime soon. Ultimately, Smallville was a pretty good ten year show that could've been a GREAT five or six year show. However, seasons 8-10 had good core ideas that could've worked on their own, so combining them into one season would've killed any chance they had to reach their potential. In fact, I feel like these seasons should've been combined with earlier seasons, so the series would have been condensed down to six seasons. Here's a rough example of what I would've done:

Season Two = Season One
Most of Season One is just freak of the week stuff, so keep the essential episodes (such as the pilot) and have the rest be what happens in Season Two.

Season Three = Season Two
From what I remember about this season (not a lot), there seemed to be some movement in terms of character development so I would keep it as is.

Season Four = Season Three
No Lana as a witch, No Lex/Lana relationship, Lana and Clark's relationship ends for good and she leaves. Other than that, the rest of the season moves the story forward as is.

Season Five + Season Seven = Season Four
Building the fortress, Clark learns about his destiny as the traveler but he runs away from it. However, with the death of Johnathan and the appearance of Kara, Clark decides it's time to embrace his destiny. Lex, learning of the traveler, sends Clark and Kara to the Phantom Zone.

Season Eight + Nine = Season Five
This could be like what you said the last season should have been but without the Darkseid stuff.

Season Ten = Season Six
The general idea for having Darkseid was good but the execution wasn't what it could've been.

[Tornado]

I only suggested combining the seasons because there was so much fluff in the last three seasons. Maybe not quite as much in Season 9, but I felt like there was a lot of it in Seasons 8 and 10.

And I know what you mean about Smallville being one of your 'big five' that ended. Some of my favorites have ended recently (BSG in 2009, Lost in 2010, Smallville this year... maybe Dexter next year) too, although I've found shows to replace them.

[Neverending]

Season Three = Season Two
From what I remember about this season (not a lot), there seemed to be some movement in terms of character development so I would keep it as is.

Seasons 2 and 3 are very connected. Clark begins to investigate his past and makes stupid decisions along the way that ultimately affect him in season 3. Meanwhile, Lex spent that whole time battling his father over control of LuthorCorp.

Season Four = Season Three
No Lana as a witch, No Lex/Lana relationship, Lana and Clark's relationship ends for good and she leaves. Other than that, the rest of the season moves the story forward as is.

Lex/Lana was season 5. In season 4, she dated the dude from Supernatural. Also, Lana DID leave at the end of season 3. They should have kept her away. Especially since this is the season where Lois is introduced.

Season Five + Season Seven = Season Four
Building the fortress, Clark learns about his destiny as the traveler but he runs away from it. However, with the death of Johnathan and the appearance of Kara, Clark decides it's time to embrace his destiny. Lex, learning of the traveler, sends Clark and Kara to the Phantom Zone.

This is where we disagree. Season 5 introduced Brainiac and he disguised himself as Clark's college professor. Seasons 5 through 8 should have been Clark's college years. This is where he could have matured into an adult and began pursing his journalism career. Plus, they could have prolonged Brainiac backstabbing Clark. They could have kept that "mentorship" going for a few seasons.

The show could have been 10 respectable seasons if they had kept Clark in college. But since they didn't, the show only had enough material for 7 years. By the time they introduced Green Arrow, the Justice League, and Kara, it was time to call it quits.

I know everyone hates season 7, but it concluded all the storylines. If Clark had actually learned from Kara (instead of resisting it) the series could have ended on a positive note.

[chumchees]

How bout no Kara at all, Clark stays in school with Lois and Chloe, gets intern positions at small papers then basement jobs and eventually jobs at the DP. More focus on his DP job, show him investiagte and write artciles and making a difference with his pen, No Doomsday, no Darkseid, use more human villains like intergang and use villains for more than one off episodes like Metallo and the DA from season 9, Chloe knows his secret stating in season 5 but does not become his brain, Clark does all the investigating and research, no veritas, no witches, the fortress actually has a purpose instead of just shutting off and on all the time, no one flies except for Brainiac, Bizarro and Zod, Clark makes all the big steps on his own like glasses (and worn for entire last season), dual identity, flying, keep Pete for first four years, Clark breaks up with Lana on his own terms and alot earlier and no superpowered Lana, Lex is just considered missing after Arctic and eventually declared dead, he does not show up in any capacity until the finale when the actual actor is available, no justice league, no costumed heroes including green arrow, no watchtower, portray Clark as confident, smart and proactive, explore the Clark?Lex/Lionel relationship more (I dont think those three ever had a scene together in ten seasons)

Those are just my thoughts

[true fan11212]

I only suggested combining the seasons because there was so much fluff in the last three seasons. Maybe not quite as much in Season 9, but I felt like there was a lot of it in Seasons 8 and 10.

And I know what you mean about Smallville being one of your 'big five' that ended. Some of my favorites have ended recently (BSG in 2009, Lost in 2010, Smallville this year... maybe Dexter next year) too, although I've found shows to replace them.

I see what you mean about Seasons 8 & 10. They really could have trimmed a great deal of fat. Then again, I always felt Smallville had too many filler episodes for my taste. It should been more like LOST, 24 or the fourth season of Angel: Each episode continuing a single narrative. Also, other than Angel, most of my big five ended in a span of a year. Heroes (yes, I watched it to the very end), LOST and 24 ended last year and Smallville in May. Unfortunately, nothing I'm watching now is near the quality of those shows.

Seasons 2 and 3 are very connected. Clark begins to investigate his past and makes stupid decisions along the way that ultimately affect him in season 3. Meanwhile, Lex spent that whole time battling his father over control of LuthorCorp.

That's why I'd keep most of Season Two in tact and leave Season Three as is.

Lex/Lana was season 5. In season 4, she dated the dude from Supernatural. Also, Lana DID leave at the end of season 3. They should have kept her away. Especially since this is the season where Lois is introduced.

Yeah but Season Four was where they started to hint at that relationship and I think they shouldn't have even done that. The rest I agree with.

This is where we disagree. Season 5 introduced Brainiac and he disguised himself as Clark's college professor. Seasons 5 through 8 should have been Clark's college years. This is where he could have matured into an adult and began pursing his journalism career. Plus, they could have prolonged Brainiac backstabbing Clark. They could have kept that "mentorship" going for a few seasons.

The show could have been 10 respectable seasons if they had kept Clark in college. But since they didn't, the show only had enough material for 7 years. By the time they introduced Green Arrow, the Justice League, and Kara, it was time to call it quits.

Very interesting... That doesn't sound too bad.

I know everyone hates season 7, but it concluded all the storylines. If Clark had actually learned from Kara (instead of resisting it) the series could have ended on a positive note.

I actually liked Season Seven (especially considering Season Six was a useless disaster and Season Eight was a huge misstep from Lana's return on). Sure, it had its problems but it also had some good elements to it as well.

How bout no Kara at all, Clark stays in school with Lois and Chloe, gets intern positions at small papers then basement jobs and eventually jobs at the DP. More focus on his DP job, show him investiagte and write artciles and making a difference with his pen, No Doomsday, no Darkseid, use more human villains like intergang and use villains for more than one off episodes like Metallo and the DA from season 9, Chloe knows his secret stating in season 5 but does not become his brain, Clark does all the investigating and research, no veritas, no witches, the fortress actually has a purpose instead of just shutting off and on all the time, no one flies except for Brainiac, Bizarro and Zod, Clark makes all the big steps on his own like glasses (and worn for entire last season), dual identity, flying, keep Pete for first four years, Clark breaks up with Lana on his own terms and alot earlier and no superpowered Lana, Lex is just considered missing after Arctic and eventually declared dead, he does not show up in any capacity until the finale when the actual actor is available, no justice league, no costumed heroes including green arrow, no watchtower, portray Clark as confident, smart and proactive, explore the Clark?Lex/Lionel relationship more (I dont think those three ever had a scene together in ten seasons)

Those are just my thoughts

I liked Kara and the whole Watctower/Justice League thing because it showed the Clark wasn't alone. They definitely should've had Clark leave Lana on his own terms and definitely no super powered Lana (Witches, Suits, one offs, etc.). Lex being killed and then having a clone was one of the dumbest aspects of Smallville, so your way sounds much better. Clark being more active in most regards is definitely something most people would be able to get behind but Chloe would literally having nothing to do on the show if Clark did everything by himself. As for the rest... hard to say.

[Fresh Prince]

How bout no Kara at all, Clark stays in school with Lois and Chloe, gets intern positions at small papers then basement jobs and eventually jobs at the DP. More focus on his DP job, show him investiagte and write artciles and making a difference with his pen, No Doomsday, no Darkseid, use more human villains like intergang and use villains for more than one off episodes like Metallo and the DA from season 9, Chloe knows his secret stating in season 5 but does not become his brain, Clark does all the investigating and research, no veritas, no witches, the fortress actually has a purpose instead of just shutting off and on all the time, no one flies except for Brainiac, Bizarro and Zod, Clark makes all the big steps on his own like glasses (and worn for entire last season), dual identity, flying, keep Pete for first four years, Clark breaks up with Lana on his own terms and alot earlier and no superpowered Lana, Lex is just considered missing after Arctic and eventually declared dead, he does not show up in any capacity until the finale when the actual actor is available, no justice league, no costumed heroes including green arrow, no watchtower, portray Clark as confident, smart and proactive, explore the Clark?Lex/Lionel relationship more (I dont think those three ever had a scene together in ten seasons)

Those are just my thoughts

I agree the show should of only had Superman as the only superhero in the universe and no other heroes existed. Because all them heroes were really unnecessary.

[Red Star Rao]

Interesting takes on how Smallville "should/could" have gone differently. :cool:

I kind of wonder how the show would be different if the old theory (from the first couple season's) of "Chloe is going to become Lois Lane" would have happened. I always liked that idea...at least back when it was still a possibility context-wise.

RSR

[Tornado]

Season 10 and the complete series come out two weeks from today. I have the Season 10 Blu-ray on pre-order right now... I still feel kind of spurned that the complete series isn't being re-mastered and released on Blu-ray. It would be an outrageously expensive series, I'm sure, as for comparisons' sake the standard def release is hovering around $200 everywhere I look. I'm sure the Blu-ray set would be $300... honestly though, I've got plenty of Amazon gift cards in my account, I'd probably sell off my currently owned Seasons 1-9 and pony up for it. That's how important this show is to me. $300 worth.

Joking aside, I'm excited for the Season 10 release. I'm currently plowing through Supernatural (nearing the end of Season 5), Ghost Adventures, re-watching BSG, etc., but I may have to start a Smallville re-watch after I have the set in my hands.

[Neverending]

I'm looking forward to you re-watching the series since I'm almost certain you'll realize what a crash landing this series made after season 3. It's one thing to watch a show as it happens and it's another to sit back and look at the big picture. And this is coming from someone who used to be highly critical of the so-called "high school years."

[Tornado]

If you actually read any of my posts in this thread before brushing them off, you'd know that I've already re-watched the series a few times. I ran through my first 'official' re-watch in the summer prior to Season 6, then again before Season 8. So if you're expecting me to chime in and tear the show apart... then I've got bad news for you.

[Neverending]

I consider season 2 to be the best of the series. That's something I never would have said 5 years ago. Like I said, there's a difference between watching a show in the process and sitting back to see the big picture. You haven't had that moment yet, Tornado.

[Tornado]

No, I haven't. But, I'm also not you. I loved Smallville for ten years. You, on the other hand, *****ed and moaned the whole way here. Of course you're going to sit back and realize everything you didn't like about it. I've been very vocal in regards to my opinions on the show, never hiding my feelings about something the show did right or wrong. When I sit down and re-watch it, my feelings are not going to change. The only thing that will happen is that I'm going to miss it even more. You forget, I was obsessed with this show. I've seen every episode pre-Season 10 at least three or four times, some more than that.

[Neverending]

I just bought seasons 1&2 at Wal-Mart for a grand total of $24. I know season 1 kinda sucks, but the deal was too good to pass up.

[carnage4u]

No, I haven't. But, I'm also not you. I loved Smallville for ten years. You, on the other hand, *****ed and moaned the whole way here. Of course you're going to sit back and realize everything you didn't like about it. I've been very vocal in regards to my opinions on the show, never hiding my feelings about something the show did right or wrong. When I sit down and re-watch it, my feelings are not going to change. The only thing that will happen is that I'm going to miss it even more. You forget, I was obsessed with this show. I've seen every episode pre-Season 10 at least three or four times, some more than that.

I did the crazy thing, after i realized the show wasn't for me around season 5 and stopped watching. I know its sometimes fun to stick around and complain about a show, but I figured I watch enough TV, this show wasn't for me, so I moved on.

It has a decent fan base, but I'll never understand why. I'm sure the same can be said about TV shows I like :)

[Neverending]

This week, Best Buy is selling all the seasons for $14.99 each. And yes, that includes season 10. So, if you're missing any of them, this is probably the cheapest price around.

[Tornado]

I'm on Season 6's Fallout in my series re-watch. I completely forgot Bow Wow was in the show.

Although, to be fair, I had forgotten about Bow Wow altogether, not just in the show.

[Neverending]

I just bought seasons 1&2 at Wal-Mart for a grand total of $24. I know season 1 kinda sucks, but the deal was too good to pass up.

It arrived today:

http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e329/MC03/P010612173615.jpg

[Tornado]

That's a good deal. I bought Seasons 1-3 at the same time for $20 a pop back in... 2005? 'Course, you had to wait six years. ;)

[Neverending]

I think Best Buy is still selling all the seasons for $14. I may pick-up seasons 3, 4, and (maybe) 7.

[Alien]

I think I might sell my Season 1-6 boxsets. I never watch them and I feel that I've grown up to watch better shows and Smallville feels too much like a show that belongs in the 90's.

[MasterChief117]

I think Best Buy is still selling all the seasons for $14. I may pick-up seasons 3, 4, and (maybe) 7.

I tried to get the 10th season but it went back up. It's the only season I do not have. Sadly.

[Alien]

In a case of fandom synergy, Erica Durance is not only set to guest star in this week's episode of NBC's "Harry's Law," she's also appearing as Wonder Woman.

Sort of.

http://www.superherohype.com/news/articles/169179-check-out-video-of-erica-durance-in-the-wonder-woman-costume

http://cdn2.superherohype.com/images/stories/2012/January/ww-durance-01.jpg?1326145682

Tell me she doesn't look much better as Wonder Woman! Shame Lois Lane can't be Wonder Woman too, Superman's brain would explode!

[Neverending]

It's funny how they recycled the Wonder Woman costume from the failed pilot that NBC was developing.

[Alien]

I think it would've been a better pilot if Erica Durance was Wonder Woman. Maybe still not good enough to be picked up though.

[Neverending]

I set my DVR to record the show. I already sat through a crappy episode of the "Charlie's Angels" reboot to watch Erica Durance. So, I figure "Harry's Law" won't be too bad.

[Alien]

I've never even heard of Harry's Law

[Tolkien]

Isn't that Kathy Bates' new show?

[Neverending]

Isn't that Kathy Bates' new show?

Yes.

[Neverending]

Erica was great on Harry's Law.

[Red Star Rao]

Do any of the Smallville DVD/Bluray discs (or box art) of any season have John Schneider (Jonathon Kent) on them? (Either featured in the imagery or in the background of the imagery?). I have a chance to see John Schneider in the near future and looking for something "Smallville" to ask him for an autograph. Anyone who has the dvd's or blu rays, and/or has this knowledge, and would like to help -it will be greatly appreciated! :)

RSR

[Alien]

what??? that little girl is lois? Who told you that?oh man oh man, i knew it was gonna be good but i didnt think it was gonna be this awesome. It's the best TV show ever.

That is the most random spam bot ever! Post 55 quoted and post 56 copied and a URL no one is gonna click on...

[Neverending]

Alison Mack is joining the U.S. version of Wilfred. The 2nd season premieres in the summer.

[Henri Ducard]

She's still working. That's nice.

[Tolkien]

Started up a second-half Smallville marathon this past week. Seasons six thru ten.

Just finished S7, E16 - Decent. I forgot how much I loved that episode. The death of Lionel, the moment where Clark and Lex truly become enemies. It was just an all around great episode. I also love how it takes place over the course of just one night too. Watching Smallville again also reminds me just how much I miss all of these characters. Not just the characters, but the actors as well. Alison Mack. Tom Welling, Michael Rosenbaum. Good memories.

[Tolkien]

Just finished S9, E01 - Savior. Yeah, shows you how fast I'm flying through my marathon, lol. Well, it also helps that I'm home 90% of the time now. Anyway, I'm going to have fun with this season the most mainly because 1) I missed a lot of episodes from this season during it's initial run and 2) because this episode reminded me just how awesome Callum Blue was as Major Zod. I really dig the guy as an actor, and really loved his portrayal of Zod.

[Neverending]

this episode reminded me just how awesome Callum Blue was as Major Zod.

Dude was gone for like half the season. That was my biggest complain.

[Tolkien]

****, he was? I missed a lot of that season so I didn't know that. The episodes I DID see he was in all of them so, snap.

[Neverending]

Brace yourself. Zod was wasted. And I don't mean drunk.

[Tolkien]

I don't know, the episodes I did see him in were perfect.

[eagledriver1000]

When is the entire series coming out on bluray, has anyone heard?