Smallville

[Neverending]

The clip above reminds me why I hate the Superman movies so much. Utter cheese.

It's pre-crisis Superman. What do you expect? It's like hating the `60s Batman show with Adam West because it was, you know, faithful to the comics of the time.

The Smallville versions of the above scene are not only more exciting, but have better VFX and pace.

Sorry that 1978 special effects don't meet your standards.

[Tolkien]

It's weird how annoyed I am with the past couple of seasons, yet the moment I hear "new episode" uttered, I'm right there checking my DVR to make sure it records. I'm a sad, sad man.

[Fresh Prince]

It's pre-crisis Superman. What do you expect? It's like hating the `60s Batman show with Adam West because it was, you know, faithful to the comics of the time.



Sorry that 1978 special effects don't meet your standards.

Exactly, I do not understand why people trash all 4 of the original Superman comics, thats ho he was duringthat time, cheesy and campy. And Superman during that time was good and 1960s Batman tv show was awesome.

[Neverending]

It's weird how annoyed I am with the past couple of seasons, yet the moment I hear "new episode" uttered, I'm right there checking my DVR to make sure it records. I'm a sad, sad man.

Smallville is the only thing that Superman fans have at the moment. If there was another show or the Bryan Singer movie had been successful, I don't think Smallville would have lasted 10 seasons. Oh, and Justice League doesn't count since that was just another opportunity for Batman to overshadow Superman. lol.

Exactly, I do not understand why people trash all 4 of the original Superman comics, thats ho he was duringthat time, cheesy and campy. And Superman during that time was good and 1960s Batman tv show was awesome.

Let's not count Superman III and IV. Those movies were bad, period. Although they did have their moments.

[Tolkien]

I sometimes watch the old Superman: The Animated Series episodes to get my fix.

There was a really great show.

[Tornado]

I thought last night's episode was pretty good. The Lois and Clark stuff was great, as always. It's interesting that Zod might start imitating the Blur. This would be a great opportunity for the writers to give Clark's suit some color, something to distinguish the real Blur from this imposter when they inevitably fight at the end of the season. I'm not suggesting the full-on Super suit (not that I'm against it either), but some kind of change might be good.

Next week looks epic.

Season 9 (so far)
1. Rabid: A
2. Idol: A
3. Legends: A
4. Savior: A
5. Society: A
6. Kandor: A
7. Pandora: A-
8. Metallo: A-
9. Crossfire: B+
10. Conspiracy: B
11. Warrior: B
12. Escape: B-
13. Persuasion: B-
14. Echo: B-
15. Disciple: C+
16. Roulette: C

[Neverending]

something to distinguish the real Blur from this imposter

The return of the Red-Blue Blur. ;)

[Tolkien]

Maybe even use the suit Oliver did when he pretended to be him, lol.

[Spirited Away]

Lois was FINE-AS in her nightsuit. Wow.

[MasterChief117]

Maybe just give Clark the damn Superman attire and call it even. lol...I gotta watch this episode BTW.

[Neverending]

Lois was FINE-AS in her nightsuit. Wow.

Atleast once a season, Erica Durance is required to wear very little cloths.

[Tornado]

I'm pretty excited for tonight's episode, it should be a good one.

[Tolkien]

Thanks to my DVR, I missed last week's episode. I'm NOT missing tonights.

Anything important on last week's episode I should know about?

[Neverending]

This episode should have been called, "Slow-Motion." Other than that it was pretty good.

[Tolkien]

Pretty good, but the slo-mo really, really killed it for me. One time is cool, two times is okay, three or more times is just plain annoying. Especially when it involves moments that didn't even need it in the first place. And what's with Tess? Is she just something else every week now? Bad guy, good guy, secret agent, ect... I half expect her to be taken over by a witch like Lana at some point already.

[Neverending]

Tess is just a con artist.

[Tolkien]

I get that part, just... everyone has their set place in this show. The only other person on this show who's ever had as much changing moments other than Tess was of course, Lana. It becomes rather annoying trying to keep my interest in a character's development if she's just going to be something different every third or fourth episode.

[Tornado]

You forgot about Lionel. I don't think anybody has changed as much as he has over the course of the show.

[Tolkien]

I knew I forgot someone. Still, I've always liked his character, regardless...

[Tornado]

917 Checkmate

Anyway, I thought last night's episode was great. The slow-motion was, in a word, interesting. We haven't seen much of it on the show. If we had seen a lot of it, I think last night's might have been a bit too much, but I don't mind it every now and then especially when it produces excellent scenes like Clark's rescue of Chloe. I'm anxious for Clark to stop treating Tess like **** though. She's impossible to trust, but he seems to always take their confrontations way too far. Plus, it doesn't work for him. He was dangling Tess over the side of a building, but she should have known he wouldn't let her fall. Terrifying, sure. But she was in no real danger. Seeing her cave that quickly was pretty out of character too, but it's clear she's pretty afraid of Clark. That should never be the case with Superman. Still, it was one questionable scene in an otherwise great episode.

Season 9 (so far)
1. Rabid: A
2. Idol: A
3. Legends: A
4. Savior: A
5. Society: A
6. Kandor: A
7. Pandora: A-
8. Metallo: A-
9. Checkmate: A-
10. Crossfire: B+
11. Conspiracy: B
12. Warrior: B
13. Escape: B-
14. Persuasion: B-
15. Echo: B-
16. Disciple: C+
17. Roulette: C

[Fresh Prince]

Tess I think should come out and say she is bi-polar.

[Tolkien]

but I don't mind it every now and then especially when it produces excellent scenes like Clark's rescue of Chloe.
That scene could be open to debate, actually. From my point of view, it felt more like cutscenes almost comic-like. I actually liked it a lot.

[Tornado]

Open to debate?

[Darth Maul]

Open to debate?

That was a great scene.

[Tornado]

I thought it was a great scene too. I'm just not sure why Tolkien thinks there is going to be a lot of dissent on it.

[Neverending]

The slow-motion made me realize that Smallville no longer has a style. I hate Gough & Millar but atleast their era had one. Every week you knew the episode would end with a stupid song and during the commerical break the announcer would say, "the song you just heard is now available at iTunes." But these days everything seems random. That's why the slow-motion was so odd and distracting.

[Tolkien]

I thought it was a great scene too. I'm just not sure why Tolkien thinks there is going to be a lot of dissent on it.
I have no idea why I phrased it that way. I meant that the scene could be seen differently from another point of view. You saw it as slo-mo, I saw it as a clip scene, so to speak. Sorry for the poor choice of words.

[Tornado]

The slow-motion made me realize that Smallville no longer has a style. I hate Gough & Millar but atleast their era had one. Every week you knew the episode would end with a stupid song and during the commerical break the announcer would say, "the song you just heard is now available at iTunes." But these days everything seems random. That's why the slow-motion was so odd and distracting.

Good. Smallville isn't that show anymore, there is no reason they should continue ending episodes with flavor of the week songs and Lana on horseback riding into the distance. Besides, this was one episode out of 191. Hardly enough to get all up in arms about.

[Tolkien]

Like I said, they did go a little far on the slo-mo scenes, but it's not like they do it all the time, so I'm good with it.

[MasterChief117]

Finally got to watch it...One of the better episodes but it felt uneven to me.


Pros:

- Oliver is pretty much the highlight of any Smallville episode to me, he's atleast even in every episode for the most part and he's became a lot more interesting since that whole 'Spidey 3' incident early in the season.

- John needs to be a main cast member in Season 10, he's just so fun to watch.

- No Zod, as much as I love Zod, I can't stand him in this show.

- Finally something to do with Tess and something sorta to do with Chloe.




Cons:

- Clark is really pissing me off. All the dialogue and things he is doing just doesn't feel like Superman. I think Tom Welling is doing a great job but he just feels annoying and whiney to me, atleast in this episode. And him threatening Tess really felt like a Batman kinda thing.

- It would be nice if there was more of a solid what the hell is going on. I know that Checkmate was created to stop the Kandorians but why is John invested in this and why is he being hired by someone else? I just don't really care for this story more or less the characters is what keeps me invested.

- No Lois = No No.




Good episode one of the best this season.

[Tornado]

I really need to re-watch Upgrade. I was both half-drunk and with a girl at the time. Not super focused. I did see that Clark apparently developed arctic breath though, which is exciting.

[Neverending]

I need to watch the episode - period. lol. I was beginning to wonder if anyone saw it.

[true fan11212]

I need to watch the episode - period. lol. I was beginning to wonder if anyone saw it.

I was wondering the same thing. Especially since I didn't see Tornado comment on it. Anyway, I thought was one of the best episodes of the season. I'm not great with going into detail about these things, though, so its best to wait for Tornado's opinion on the matter.

[Neverending]

Whenever Tornado doesn't post in a Smallville thread there's reason to be concerned.

[Tolkien]

I havn't seen the episode either. had it recorded to my DVR, but didn't get around to it.

[Neverending]

If Smallville still aired on Thursday we wouldn't have this problem.

[Tornado]

I agree. I'm usually not around much Friday nights.

[Neverending]

Atleast you try to catch up. I've yet to see Brian Austin Green as Metallo. lol.

[Tornado]

Ha, how many episodes have you missed this season?

[Morg]

I really need to re-watch Upgrade. I was both half-drunk and with a girl at the time. Not super focused. I did see that Clark apparently developed arctic breath though, which is exciting.

He had that power for a bit, nothing new

What I like to know is why Lois gets away with killing, no way everyone escaped when that explosive went off

[Tornado]

Hmm? He's never displayed arctic breath before. Super breath, sure. But they're not the same thing.

[Tolkien]

Yeah, that was the first time I saw it too.

Also, I'd also like to see Lois answer for the explosion she caused.

[Morg]

Thought he use the freeze breath before, maybe I was mistaken.

[Stay Puft]

My guess is he learned it during one of his training sessions at the fortress on Offscreensville

[Tornado]

Alright, just finished re-watching last week's episode.

UPGRADE

Positives:


While I'm generally not wild about Red-K episodes, I do like how Clark's maturity has affected how he is affected by the substance; he seemed more rebellious rather than an ******* like in the earlier seasons. Yeah, he pushed Chloe and burned his symbol into the wall, but you know what? With how she and Oliver have been acting this season, she kinda deserved it
The Arctic breath/Seattle scene was pretty cool
The near showdown in the truck between Clark and Metallo reminded me a lot of some of their comic book encounters in which Metallo would just kind of show up and Superman would go down; kudos to them on that (Zod's explosion was pretty nifty too)
The confrontation between Clark, Zod, and Metallo in the Fortress was awesome
The destruction of Chloe's Kryptonite strongholds; it would have felt like a cop-out if that's how they were beat in the finale, now things will be more interesting
I thought the FX were a little weak, but honestly I'll take heavy/cheap FX over no FX any day of the week
Clark's rationale for wanting to side with Zod - having a brother, family
Zod giving powers to his disciples (I'm guessing there will be some difference between them in the long run; Zod got his powers directly from the source, his disciples did not)


Negatives:


Lois's willingness to help Metallo was ridiculous
Lois being responsible for the destruction of the lab and, likely, at least a few deaths in the cold opening
Really didn't like how much of a hero Corben was portrayed as here
Chloe and Tess working together, what the hell?


I thought the concept for the episode was pretty solid, but the pacing and some of the rationale was lousy. I wouldn't have a problem with Metallo coming back again at some point, but only as a villain. None of this being a hero/falling in love with Lois garbage. Everybody in this episode seemed very out of character. Hopefully tonight's episode is better.

Season 9 (so far)
1. Rabid: A
2. Idol: A
3. Legends: A
4. Savior: A
5. Society: A
6. Kandor: A
7. Pandora: A-
8. Metallo: A-
9. Checkmate: A-
10. Crossfire: B+
11. Conspiracy: B
12. Warrior: B
13. Upgrade: B-
14. Escape: B-
15. Persuasion: B-
16. Echo: B-
17. Disciple: C+
18. Roulette: C

[Neverending]

Tonight's episode was kinda...pointless. If 9 years ago, Gough & Millar had give Clark Kent glasses we would have avoided episodes like these. In the long run it doesn't matter if the Blur's identity is revealed or not because Superman doesn't wear a mask. The disguise is Clark Kent. So, unless the producers are actually gonna give Superman a mask then what does it matter?

[Tornado]

Well, I think Clark is going to start wearing glasses eventually to disguise himself from the public. But I think he's going to come straight with Lois in the finale, quite honestly.

Anyway, I thought it was a pretty good episode. As much as I've enjoyed the Clark/Lois dynamic this season, it felt too... easy, too effortless. To see some real conflict tonight was good.

[Neverending]

I think he's going to come straight with Lois in the finale, quite honestly.

LOIS: Clark, why are you wearing that suit?
CLARK: You can call me...Superman!

*cue John Williams' theme.

[Prison Mike]

Since the show is basically an elseworld, it would make sense for Clark to come clean to Lois in this universe. But I think the producers want to align Smallville with the classic mythology by the end of the series.

[Neverending]

I think the producers want to align Smallville with the classic mythology by the end of the series.

They've made so many changes that I don't see how they're gonna pull that off.

[Prison Mike]

I guess we just have to wait and see. I'm eager to know how they'll explain Lois not recognizing Clark. Maybe a mind wipe (though I hope not)? A pair of glasses just won't cut it IMO.

[Tornado]

No, glasses wouldn't cut it at this point (not for her anyway, I think it would definitely work for society in general). Their only options right now seem to be either Clark telling Lois everything, Lois having her mind wiped, or Clark disappearing for several years and traveling the world (as he does in the comics) before coming back with glasses. Ausiello did say that a popular drama was considering a time jump, but he didn't specify what show it was. It would be an interesting tactic for Smallville, but I don't really see it happening.

[Prison Mike]

A time jump? That would be interesting but I also doubt the producers would implement that. I'm just going to let the producers do their thing and just sit back and enjoy the show. If I overthink it, I probably won't enjoy their ending.

[Neverending]

or Clark disappearing for several years and traveling the world (as he does in the comics) before coming back with glasses.

That's their worst option. Even if Clark is gone for 10 years how is she not gonna recognize him? I think they're just gonna have Clark tell Lois. At this point it doesn't even matter.

[MasterChief117]

I watched Upgrade the other day. I wasn't a huge fan. Just seemed to out there for me. I wasn't a fan of really anything. Everything seemed hypocritical to me. Chloe saying Clark needs to be trust worthy and yet she hides freaking Kryptonian weapons from him? Okay. The last action scene was what I come to expect from Smallville, nothing special or over the top, it was just okay. I've just really grown tired of Zod, Chloe and Tess. I just feel like everytime a story line or something comes near them, I roll my eyes.




So when is Martha suppose to be coming back?

[Stay Puft]

agreed MasterChief. I'm not sure if it's all the damn breaks every 4 or 5 episodes, the fact that the previous 2 episodes and 2 more to follow are preempted due to baseball games in Chicago. Missed Friday's episode because of it, and will probably miss the next two that are delayed.

With all of that taking place, I feel myself just not interested in the rest of the season. The 1 episode I did catch last week I hardly payed attention to what was going on. So if it's all the breaks, preemtps, delays, or just that the storyline has gotten beyond BORING.....I'm not feeling the second half of the season.

feels like Season 8 all over again

so I'm calling it quits with the rest of the season and will watch it when it comes out on DVD

[Neverending]

feels like Season 8 all over again

That's a bit extreme. The second half of season 8 was a disaster - especially with Lana's return. The problem now is that there's no direction. Zod is incredibly under-used. I don't know why they even bothered putting him in the opening credits. And, now, Checkmate pops out of nowhere. When they were introduced during Absolute Justice I thought it was a set-up for season 10. Instead, they've become the co-villain with Zod.

I know Tornado hates it when I say this, but this show needs to end. I'm not even excited for a season 10 anymore. At this point, Clark Kent is Superman without the suit. So, I don't understand why they keep pro-longing things. They're just beating a dead horse.

[Stay Puft]

Neverending, gotta agree with everything you said there. Around Absolute Justice is when I started getting disinterested in the season. The break that followed, along with all the prempted episodes (and more to come) didn't and aren't helping either.

so it probably has something to due with the execution, sure I was over exagerating with the season 8 comparison, it may not be THAT bad, but it's getting there, much like last season, the 2nd half of this season is slipping

yea, this show needs to f'ng end, screw a season 10. Just put it out of its misery already, I'm done

[Neverending]

Season 10 is gonna happen and I'm gonna watch it. What keeps me interested is curiosity. I want to see how it ends. However, I feel that when it's over and we get a chance to reflect on the entire show it's going to seem like it lasted way too long. In a way, Smallville ended with season 7. Since then its been Superman with a different name.

[Tornado]

Clark still has a ways to go before being Superman. He tosses Tess around like a rag doll, he lifts her off the ground by choking her, he's dangling her off rooftops, etc. That's not even close to Superman. I do think he could make that transition with Season 10 though and they could end it there.

And Stay Puft, there were only two breaks this season; they aired 9 episodes, took a two month break, then another 6, month break, and now they're wrapping up with 7 in a row. In my opinion, it's the best scheduling they've ever had. And the pre-emptions aren't the show's fault.

And I still think Season 9 has been the best of the series.

[Stay Puft]

If there were only 2 breaks it seemed like a hell of a lot more than that. I'm almost positive there were at least 3, and the pre-empts may not be the shows fault (I never said it was), regardless, it's still giving it a sloppy CHICAGO schedule. Like I said, it's not helping it at all, it's hurting it, A LOT

[Tornado]

There were two breaks. Pandora (the 9th episode) aired on November 20th, the following episode (Disciple) aired on January 29th. The last episode of that second batch (Conspiracy) aired on February 26th and the show came back with Escape on April 2nd. Two breaks. They take long breaks every year. It probably just seemed longer because they didn't air an episode in the middle of December (they didn't last year either) like they have with most seasons.

[Prison Mike]

I agree that Upgrade was very "meh". It didn't do anything for me. I didn't love it nor hate it. I liked that last episode, Charade, much more.

[Neverending]

I still think Season 9 has been the best of the series.

Only by default. No Lana. No freaks of the week. However, it still has its flaws. So, you have to question if it'll hold up in retrospect. At this point it seems like the show is dragging. I guess we have post-season 4 to blame for that. Once Clark graduated from high school they started to rush everything. Why couldn't Clark stay in college and just have the show focus on that? Brainiac as his professor was a good idea. They could have stretched that for 3 more seasons. Can you imagine at the end of season 8, as Clark is graduating, he discovers that his favorite professor was really an alien robot trying to kill him? Awesome! Then, season 9 and 10 could have been him moving to Metropolis, joining the Daily Planet, and starting his career as a superhero.

[MasterChief117]

Clark still has a ways to go before being Superman. He tosses Tess around like a rag doll, he lifts her off the ground by choking her, he's dangling her off rooftops, etc. That's not even close to Superman. I do think he could make that transition with Season 10 though and they could end it there.

And Stay Puft, there were only two breaks this season; they aired 9 episodes, took a two month break, then another 6, month break, and now they're wrapping up with 7 in a row. In my opinion, it's the best scheduling they've ever had. And the pre-emptions aren't the show's fault.

And I still think Season 9 has been the best of the series.


Completely agreed on Clark not being Superman yet. As soon as he was tossing Tess around, I was like, "Not Superman." Especially when in the comics and other storylines he is critical of Bruce and his motives when dealing with criminals, him to be doing that is just so out of character.



I think this season is okay, it has it's moments for me. Absolute Justice being the high point of course. In no way is this even close to the disaster that was Season 8. The last part of the season, and mainly almost the entire season, was just so damn bad. Acting, writing and everything else. Not to mention, the entire season was built on Clark confronting Doomsday and ultimately defeating him....When really it was a punch, toss around and that was it. Really disapointing...



I guess that's the good thing about Smallville this season...It really hasn't built up to anything. It's always been at the same pace, it's not going to build up to some ultimate fight that is going to disapoint everyone. It's depressing because in order to get the scope of Superman, you need to show what he's capable of. I guess a budget would do that. Just a food for thought.

[Neverending]

I guess that's the good thing about Smallville this season...It really hasn't built up to anything.

Maybe because they don't know what to build up to. And if the build up is Zod taking over the world then we already saw that at the beginning of the season.

[MasterChief117]

Yeah, true. I just wish they'd do something with Zod. They are trying to cloud him with this mystery and instead it just makes him, so uninteresting. Clark is like trying to appeal to him, so Zod doesn't go bad and Zod is trying to be neutral, even though we all know he is bad. I just, eh. I'm hoping next year it's clear that Apokolips or Darkseid is the bad guy. I'm just not digging Zod or what they are doing to Zod this year.

[Tornado]

Only by default. No Lana. No freaks of the week.

I disagree. The Clark/Lois dynamic is better than ever, and the writing seems to be stronger too. I think, in a way, the show has stopped taking itself so seriously. And if I recall, that was a major gripe of some in this thread.

However, it still has its flaws. So, you have to question if it'll hold up in retrospect. At this point it seems like the show is dragging. I guess we have post-season 4 to blame for that. Once Clark graduated from high school they started to rush everything. Why couldn't Clark stay in college and just have the show focus on that? Brainiac as his professor was a good idea. They could have stretched that for 3 more seasons. Can you imagine at the end of season 8, as Clark is graduating, he discovers that his favorite professor was really an alien robot trying to kill him? Awesome!

That would have been the very definition of dragging. The only benefit I can see is that you could have given Rosenbaum a much better exit at the end of Season 4 than he got at the end of Season 7. He could have left for Metropolis with Brainiac taking over the lead villain role. Then when Clark got to Metropolis, Rosenbaum would be brought back on and whatnot.

I agree though that the show made this weird transition from high school drama to quirky comic book TV show between Seasons 4 and 5. I do sometimes wish they would have kept him in college for Seasons 5-8, but at the same time I don't really miss the high school aspects of 1-4. On the other hand, if they would have come up with the idea of The Blur prior to Season 8/9 and had Clark juggling that and college at the same time... that could have been cool. Clark could have dated Lana in Season 5 to get it totally out of his and the writers' systems, then she could have left to permanently go back to Paris. They could have kept a lot of the same plotlines (Doomsday, Bizarro, etc.). In fact, that would have given them an easy transition from The Blur to Superman if they wanted to do a Death of Superman-like story. With the way his popularity is going now, any transition to Superman will be weird since his insignia is so out in the mainstream.

The show has tons of flaws, there's no getting around them. But I think what they're doing right now is fine. I get the feeling we're going to see a new suit in the finale/premiere, because Clark (in a black coat) is probably going to fight Zod and his minions (also in black clothes/coats) in the finale and Clark will want a way to separate himself from them. As for the show holding up in hindsight, that's hard to say. The show has changed dramatically over the course of its run. I mean really, it's not the same show at all anymore. The only constant is Clark's development toward Superman. Everything else is different. I look back at Season 1 and I don't even really recognize it anymore. Some of that is just the length of the show though and how much the actors have grown (Welling especially). I will always think highly of the show for various reasons I've gone into many times, but it certainly won't be remembered like Lost or The Sopranos will be.

I think perhaps my biggest gripe with the show has always been and always will be the other superheroes (Green Arrow, Impulse, Black Canary, etc.). The Legion are a totally different story and a staple of Superman's youth, and the Justice Society are a little different, but the other heroes take away the significance of Superman. He should have been the first to don tights instead of the last, he should have founded the Justice League instead of joined it, and he shouldn't have to rely on everybody else for help. Without Chloe, he would be nowhere at this point. And that's really not a good thing. Speaking of Chloe, as much as I've loved her character, they should have written her out at the end of Season 6 or 7. She could have left for Gotham or something, implying she will be the future Batman's Oracle instead of Barbara Gordon.

As for how this season is going, I do like the fact that there are multiple storylines running into the finale with Zod and the Kandorians, Checkmate (with its own opposing sides with Waller and Lord), the internal strife at Watchtower, Clark and Lois, etc. And I appreciate the fact that they attempted to make things more complex by introducing Checkmate this season instead of next, but I'm going to have a hard time buying a Clark/Zod showdown in the finale at this point. Yeah, Clark is pissed that Zod has been impersonating him, but that's hardly worth fighting over. I mean, what are Zod's goals right now? Conquer the world? That seems to be the case, but they really haven't done a good job of making that clear in the show.

It's very obvious they're going to do Darkseid and the New Gods next year, which is definitely an interesting idea. But at the same time, that story to me very clearly is representative of Superman (Checkmate is too, but maybe to a lesser extent). There has always been this debate about Clark not facing too many of his future enemies because otherwise it would just seem ridiculous; Lex was great for this, Brainiac and Bizarro were alright, and even Zod and Doomsday (the way they did him and the way they ended the story) have been/were fine. But recently Metallo and now likely Darkseid have kind of pushed it a little too far for me. It seems like some threats should be saved for after he can fly and dons the tights, but what do I know.

[Neverending]

recently Metallo and now likely Darkseid have kind of pushed it a little too far for me. It seems like some threats should be saved for after he can fly and dons the tights

This is why Clark should have been in college from seasons 5 to 8. Everything would have progressed more naturally. In seasons 1 to 4 he was a high school kid dealing with all the changes. Gough & Millar treated his superpowers like puberty. So, in season 5 he was already a man - but only physically. He had to learn how to be a man and that's why the Fortress showed up and Jor-El stopped being a jackass. Those things were there to guide him. And Brainiac showed up to give him a REAL challenge. The freaks of the week were just a taste.

Had seasons 6 to 8 continued in the path started by season 5 it would have made Clark's coming of age work better. So, in season 9 he would have been ready to become Superman. He would have had the skills and maturity. Yet, he would have struggled because Superman is a symbol. He didn't sign up for that. He just wants to help. So, seasons 9 and 10 would have been his transition from a guy who helps people to the representation of Truth, Justice, and the American way.

In a way, season 9 and 10 are currently like that but it doesn't work when he could have become that in season 7. In that season there was this whole plot line of some secret society finding the messiah or whatever. They should have just gotten it over with. In season 6 they moved the bulk of the show to Metropolis, Green Arrown plus the Justice League were introduced, and Lois was a reporter with Jimmy Olson already hanging around. So, why stretch it to 4 more seasons? Season 7 had all the doors open to end the series. They even introduced Supergirl who obviously could have taught Clark all of his remaining superpowers and his entire Kryptonian history. So, like I said, in a few years you'll look back and realize that season 7 was the logical conclusion. They've just been milking a dry cow ever since.

[Tornado]

In a few years I'll look back and realize Season 7 was the logical conclusion? Give me a break. The only way Clark will ever become Superman is if he naturally chooses to. His mentality in Season 7 was so far away from being Superman it's not even funny. That was the season in which I almost gave up on the series. When Clark received a cape in the beginning of the season, he hung it up on the farm post as if to say, "I'm not interested." In Apocalypse (two episodes before the finale), Clark thought the world would probably be better off without him. Edward Teague nearly kills Clark an episode later because he didn't want to be anything more than a farmer. When Clark isn't busy shunning his destiny, he's pining over Lana. If you really think Season 7 was the natural conclusion of the series, I suggest you go back and re-watch the season.

[Neverending]

If you really think Season 7 was the natural conclusion of the series, I suggest you go back and re-watch the season.

I didn't say that season 7, as it is, was the logical conclusion. I said that season 7, if written properly, could have ended the series. Everything was set-up for a conclusion but Gough & Millar didn't take advantage of it. Either that or CW didn't allow them since they wanted to continue the show.

Like I said, all the characters were in Metropolis. Lois was a reporter. Jimmy had already been introduced. That secret society was looking for the "messiah." And, of course, Lex Luthor finally became Lex Luthor. He threw Lionel off a roof. Plus, Supergirl was around to teach Clark.

So, do you really need more of a set-up? Everything was in place. They just didn't take advantage of it.

[Stay Puft]

Prison Mike on the coming soon boards? same P.M. from the hype?

if so, welcome brotha

[Tornado]

I didn't say that season 7, as it is, was the logical conclusion. I said that season 7, if written properly, could have ended the series. Everything was set-up for a conclusion but Gough & Millar didn't take advantage of it. Either that or CW didn't allow them since they wanted to continue the show.

Like I said, all the characters were in Metropolis. Lois was a reporter. Jimmy had already been introduced. That secret society was looking for the "messiah." And, of course, Lex Luthor finally became Lex Luthor. He threw Lionel off a roof. Plus, Supergirl was around to teach Clark.

So, do you really need more of a set-up? Everything was in place. They just didn't take advantage of it.

Yeah. Clark was 20 years old for most of the season. He could barely handle his own emotions much less becoming the greatest hero on the planet. And besides, if you took Seasons 1-6 as is and then went into your dream Season 7, everything would have been rushed.

[Neverending]

if you took Seasons 1-6 as is and then went into your dream Season 7, everything would have been rushed.

As opposed to dragging? There's no win-win here it seems.

[Prison Mike]

Prison Mike on the coming soon boards? same P.M. from the hype?

if so, welcome brotha

yup. I got tired of the lag over at Hype. :redface:

[Tornado]

As opposed to dragging? There's no win-win here it seems.

I don't think it has been dragging at all. Win-win.

[Tornado]

Season 9 (so far)
1. Rabid: A
2. Idol: A
3. Legends: A
4. Savior: A
5. Society: A
6. Kandor: A
7. Charade: A-
8. Metallo: A-
9. Pandora: A-
10. Checkmate: A-
11. Crossfire: B+
12. Conspiracy: B
13. Warrior: B
14. Upgrade: B-
15. Escape: B-
16. Persuasion: B-
17. Echo: B-
18. Disciple: C+
19. Roulette: C

[Tornado]

I thought it was a decent episode, but the ending had me wishing Clark could fly more than I ever have before. It's hard seeing him so helpless.

[Tolkien]

We need a plane hijacking with Lois on it. Something to force him up there. lol.

[Neverending]

Clark really needs to fly. Secondly, he needs to man up. When he showed up to stop Zod from killing Amanda Waller he should have beat him up instead of letting him get away.

[King_of_Skid_Row]

He's officially young Superman so yeah he really needs to man up and break loose.

[Neverending]

In 9 years I don't think Clark has ever beat up anyone. He has defeated people, but he has never beat anyone up.

[MasterChief117]

Yeah, even in big fights he doesn't really do anything, ala Absolute Justice when he just like jumped into the fight, got hit and flung to the side. He needs to open a can man, seriously.

[Tornado]

http://ausiellofiles.ew.com/2010/05/03/smallville-allison-mack-chloe-contract/

Ack, come on producers. You don't have anything for her to do this year, why would you bring her back? She has had a good run, but it's time to kill her or move her to Gotham or something.

[true fan11212]

http://ausiellofiles.ew.com/2010/05/03/smallville-allison-mack-chloe-contract/

Ack, some on producers. You don't have anything for her to do this year, why would you bring her back? She has had a good run, but it's time to kill her or move her to Gotham or something.

As fine as I think Allison Mack is, I have to agree. It's time to put her character to rest (I'm more for killing her off than anything). Oh well, at least my Best Friend will be happy. He loves Chloe.

[Tornado]

I was a big Chloe fan from like... Seasons 3-5/6, but her worth has gone down quite a bit since Lois was really thrust into the limelight and Clark revealed his secret to everybody.

[Prison Mike]

Chloe is coming back? Damn it to hell...

[Neverending]

I was a big Chloe fan from like... Seasons 3-5/6

What about season 1 & 2?

[Tornado]

She was fine then, but I honestly don't remember her arc at all from back then aside from constantly pining for Clark in Season 1.

[Darth Maul]

http://ausiellofiles.ew.com/2010/05/03/smallville-allison-mack-chloe-contract/

Ack, come on producers. You don't have anything for her to do this year, why would you bring her back? She has had a good run, but it's time to kill her or move her to Gotham or something.

Shell probably end up having a relationship with Tess by the end of this season, or somebody else to have her holding on still. Ya I'm waiting for Clark to unleash hell despite the fact we know Superman isn't like that, though piss him off enough we've seen him do some damage in the Comics. I'm down to see him go Marv on Zod already :). You would think the death of one of his closest followers and Oliver being branded by heat vision from Zod, would infuriate Clark just a wee bit.

[Tornado]

A couple of images from the finale have surfaced:

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y202/theanomaly2/Smallville-Salvation_510.jpg

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y202/theanomaly2/SMALLVILLE-Salvation_5102.jpg

I can't wait for this finale. I really think it's going to be better than those in the past, especially with Beeman at the helm.

[Darth Maul]

hehe kinda looks like Zod has a light saber, but im sure its probably some sort of crystal rock knife.

[Tornado]

You know, spoiler tags are there for a reason.

Another image surfaced, this one containing major spoilers:

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y202/theanomaly2/SMALLVILLE_5103.jpg

[Neverending]

Another image surfaced, this one containing major spoilers:

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y202/theanomaly2/SMALLVILLE_5103.jpg

Either that's the super kiss from Superman II or the producers just don't care anymore.

[Tornado]

Don't care anymore? As we've talked about, there's no reason they have to line up with the mythology. There's nothing preventing them from making Lois learn who Clark really is.

[Neverending]

there's no reason they have to line up with the mythology.

True, but they're not saving anything for when he becomes Superman. This is something that you were concerned about as well. Clark Kent is basically Superman without the name and costume. If season 9 ends like that then season 10 is a Superman show.

[Tornado]

This is something that you were concerned about as well.

That would be true had this not been something I've been pushing for since the end of Season 8.

[Tornado]

Oh ****! Promo for next week's episode was released early:

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Looks incredible!

[MasterChief117]

Man, if the episode plays like that trailer, it's going to be one hell of an amazing episode! I CAN'T WAIT!

[Neverending]

xqkjrGW-pAo

So, he's gonna turn into Superman. They might not call him Superman, but he's gonna be Superman. Great.

Anyway, I knew the move to Friday was gonna screw me up sooner or later. I have a business trip and gonna miss the finale. Don't worry. I'll DVR it and watch it on Monday.

When I return I expect to read an essay on the finale, Tornado - - with predictions for season 10.

[MasterChief117]

The new episode was pretty good. I only caught the last half of it because the DVR decided it wasn't going to record it, how lovely! The finale though, man it looks good.

[Tornado]

Sounds good Neverending.

I thought last night was pretty good. I really enjoyed seeing Martha and Perry again, even though I wasn't wild about her being the Red Queen. I wish Clark would have just used his X-ray vision instead of punching holes in his house, but the show makes goofy mistakes like that all the time. Whatever happens, I really hope Clark isn't made human or something in order to send all the Kandorians to another dimension. They've done that enough already, there's no need to do it again. It's just not an interesting idea anymore. Overall, I thought it was pretty good. One of the better penultimate episodes in recent memory; they're usually pretty lousy (the last good one I can remember was Oracle in Season 5).

Season 9 (so far)
1. Rabid: A
2. Idol: A
3. Legends: A
4. Savior: A
5. Society: A
6. Kandor: A
7. Hostage: A-
8. Charade: A-
9. Metallo: A-
10. Pandora: A-
11. Checkmate: A-
12. Crossfire: B+
13. Sacrifice: B
14. Conspiracy: B
15. Warrior: B
16. Upgrade: B-
17. Escape: B-
18. Persuasion: B-
19. Echo: B-
20. Disciple: C+
21. Roulette: C

[Tornado]

**** off spammer.

[FVD]

Yeah I wasn't thrilled with Martha as the Red Queen either. At least she was trying to protect Clark and not end up being nasty like Amanda Waller. I would have gone ballistic. :nono:

Well the Finale should be interesting. If it really means getting the Kandorians off the plane Clark included that would very much be like Clark disappearing from Earth for a number of years. I'd be looking forward to his return for sure not to mention all that he left behind.

[Neverending]

Clark disappearing from Earth for a number of years.

I highly doubt that's gonna happen. Jor-El is probably gonna provide him with some immunity - - and a costume.

[bbf2]

True, but they're not saving anything for when he becomes Superman. This is something that you were concerned about as well. Clark Kent is basically Superman without the name and costume. If season 9 ends like that then season 10 is a Superman show.

Yeap, if they were really serious about setting up the mythos intact, they wouldn't have had Lois and Clark date before he becomes Superman. They've already done the whole "Lois, Clark, and Clark's alter ego" love triangle thing, there's nothing else to really milk out of Lois not knowing, and its getting awkward having to write stories around it and reasons for him not to reveal himself.

Also they better not incorporate Clark having a memory erasing kiss, that is a horrible horrible plot point. And if they do establish that he has that ridiculous power, he's going to have to use it on Lex when he comes back.

[Neverending]

he's going to have to use it on Lex when he comes back.

:lol:

[MasterChief117]

I'm going to end up missing the season finale this week, I can feel it.

[Darth Maul]

Really psyched this week, i'm anticipating this finale highly. Hope its not a let down like the end of the Doomsday ARC.

[Tornado]

Yeah, I think it'll be good.

[Neverending]

In a perfect world, the Smallville season 9 finale would air tonight. :(

[Tornado]

Season finale tonight! Pretty pumped. I may even watch this one live instead of downloading it like I usually do.

[Tolkien]

But then you'll have to face the agony of ad after ad after ad, lol.

I need a good finale tonight. Wasn't happy about Supernatural's.

[Tornado]

Ha, good point. We'll see what I'm doing. It's my last night here, I probably won't even be here.

[Tolkien]

Where you off to?

[Tornado]

I move back home tomorrow morning. I just finished my final semester of college.

[Tornado]

Ah ****, I just had chunks of tonight's finale spoiled for me. Apparently Greg Beeman wrote a lengthy and detailed blog post this morning, but it has been removed. Some idiot at K-Site posted all of it in a thread, and I read pretty quick.

From what I saw though, it sounds interesting.

[Tolkien]

Well at least what you read wasn't bad. I've been pretty hesitant about Smallville for the past couple of seasons, the last one especially. So I'm looking forward to seeing what this finale will do to the series and possible, what the future season might bring to the table. (there is still another season coming, right?)

[Tornado]

Yes, Season 10 is coming.

[Tolkien]

My demands for season 10, Clark gets his job back, moves to Metropolis, gets an apartment and becomes Superman. Oh yeah, and learns to fly.

[Tornado]

About to start watching the finale. Very, very excited. Thoughts up afterward.

[Tornado]

SALVATION

Pros:

Clark was the hero here; I was a little worried that with all of the other characters making cameos he would take more of a backseat, but definitely not the case, and I sincerely hope he keeps this attitude/mentality come Season 10
Defeating the Kandorians seemed pretty obvious, but I like how Clark abolished Zod
The opening three minutes were incredible with the glimpse into the future, our first ever sight of Superman (not counting the cape in Season 3's Hereafter), and then Clark getting the actual suit from Martha - epic
The attacks around the globe were pretty neat
Darkseid is definitely the villain for Season 10, what with Granny Goodness sitting out in the hallway and the Parademons or Female Furies (I assume it was one of those groups) capturing Oliver in the vents; I know I originally was opposed to it, but I'm looking forward to it all the same
Glad Lois finally found out the secret, totally called that one; hope it sticks though and she doesn't suddenly come down with a case of amnesia
Clark's fall allows them to take the story in a couple of different directions - either Clark pulls the dagger out and flies, or he falls and dies (and I would love to see them do a real 'Death of Superman' story)
I thought the fight was solid, but it felt short; still good though


Cons:


It felt a little slow to me; they took their time getting going, that by the time we were at the conclusion with Clark and the Kandorians the episode was practically over
While I don't mind Tess dying, it unnerved me a bit to see Granny Goodness waltz into her room after the doctors called it as I have no interest in seeing her come back as one of Darkseid's goons
Like I said, the fight was a little short


In my opinion, this was the best season finale of the series, and the best episode of the season in general. It has been quite a while since they produced a finale that had me itching for the premiere (usually they leave such a bad taste in my mouth that I have no problem waiting), but this one did just that. This is going to be a long break.

And yes, Neverending, I will be doing another fantasy season in the upcoming weeks. At least, I think it was you who asked me about that.

Season 9 (final)
1. Salvation: A+
2. Rabid: A
3. Idol: A
4. Legends: A
5. Savior: A
6. Society: A
7. Kandor: A
8. Hostage: A-
9. Charade: A-
10. Metallo: A-
11. Pandora: A-
12. Checkmate: A-
13. Crossfire: B+
14. Sacrifice: B
15. Conspiracy: B
16. Warrior: B
17. Upgrade: B-
18. Escape: B-
19. Persuasion: B-
20. Echo: B-
21. Disciple: C+
22. Roulette: C

[true fan11212]

Glad you enjoyed the episode. I definitely agree with you about the fight but much like my dearly departed "Heroes", we'll probably never see an out and out superfight on this show. A shame, really, but it isn't a $200+ million movie so what can you do.

[Tornado]

Definitely, but they didn't even have powers here. All it would have taken is a better fight choreographer and they would have been good to go. Ah well. A minor complaint in an otherwise nearly flawless episode.

You know what else is kind of bothering me right now though? They never addressed Amanda Waller's status. They wrapped up the Checkmate storyline by having Zod just obliterate all of it/them, but they kinda left us hanging on Waller being alive or dead. Ah well. Maybe she/they will come back in Season 10 to help fight off Darkseid. Actually... that would make more sense as Waller/Checkmate did confront some of Apokolips' forces in the comics.

[true fan11212]

Definitely, but they didn't even have powers here. All it would have taken is a better fight choreographer and they would have been good to go. Ah well. A minor complaint in an otherwise nearly flawless episode.

You know what else is kind of bothering me right now though? They never addressed Amanda Waller's status. They wrapped up the Checkmate storyline by having Zod just obliterate all of it/them, but they kinda left us hanging on Waller being alive or dead. Ah well. Maybe she/they will come back in Season 10 to help fight off Darkseid. Actually... that would make more sense as Waller/Checkmate did confront some of Apokolips' forces in the comics.

Yeah, I forgot they had no powers. I'm not a fan of slow motion or quick cuts so I definitely agree with you about the choreography (which seemed to be hidden by those things I mentioned). As for Waller, I just assumed she was dead but they'll probably bring her back. Hopefully, they won't bring back Tess, though. They took that character as far as they could (and far beyond what they should have, IMHO).

[Darth Maul]

LOVED the signature Superman Punch / also whats up with the tess zod fortress scene? Kryptonite and he still got to use his powers?

Also interesting enough, Granny Goodness's Dog is named TESS in the comics ;)

[insaneMoViEgoer]

Best opening scene of the series. I'm glad we didn't see the suit in full and just a reflection of it. I may be in the minority here, but I don't think we should see it, or a proto version of it (at least a red blue one) until he fully dons the suit. I was skeptical at first of his Blur costume, but it made sense to me as the season went on. Because for me, if it had the more traditional colors, by the time we finally see the shot we've all been waiting for, it would have less of an impact because we kind of almost already have seen it.

[RingWraith2k4]

I saw the finale last night and I must say that it was fantastic ending to a season. I haven't enjoyed a season finale episode since Season 4.

I can't wait for the season 10 now.

[FVD]

Yeah what a Cliffhanger too. Now that Lois has even discovered Clark is the Blur even with that smile on her face. Really looking forward to Season 10. By far one of the better Season Finales in recent memory.

[Neverending]

I move back home tomorrow morning. I just finished my final semester of college.

Congrats.

Darkseid is definitely the villain for Season 10, what with Granny Goodness sitting out in the hallway

I still think it's too soon for Clark to battle Darkseid, but we'll see how it plays out.

Clark's fall allows them to take the story in a couple of different directions - either Clark pulls the dagger out and flies, or he falls and dies (and I would love to see them do a real 'Death of Superman' story)

Did you notice the Christ pose?

It felt a little slow to me; they took their time getting going, that by the time we were at the conclusion with Clark and the Kandorians the episode was practically over

Yeah, I hated that as well.

Lthe fight was a little short

And, yet, it was better than the Doomsday one.

In my opinion, this was the best season finale of the series

Better than Lionel Luthor shaving his head and Chloe's house blowing up?

And yes, Neverending, I will be doing another fantasy season in the upcoming weeks. At least, I think it was you who asked me about that.

Yes, it was me. But I know what's gonna happen. Darkseid is slowly gonna take over the world and Clark will be FORCED to complete his training. Then the season 10 finale, which will be the SERIES finale, we'll finally see Superman and he'll defeat Darkseid.

Granny Goodness's Dog is named TESS in the comics

Nice.

I haven't enjoyed a season finale episode since Season 5.

Fixed.

[Tornado]

Also interesting enough, Granny Goodness's Dog is named TESS in the comics ;)

Unless they recently changed it, no it's not. It's Mercy (which, yeah it definitely still lends itself to that same story you're implying).

I'm actually going to do my fantasy season a little differently though, Neverending. I may have the first episode up tonight, depending on how much stuff I have going on later.

[Neverending]

I'm actually going to do my fantasy season a little differently though, Neverending. I may have the first episode up tonight, depending on how much stuff I have going on later.

But, realistically, that is what's gonna happen.

[Tornado]

Yeah, probably.

[Neverending]

So, is season 10 officially the last one or just speculation? The opening for the season 9 finale said that by 2013, Superman will be around. So, they gotta end it soon. Also, why was Lois wearing glasses? It doesn't make sense for her to wear glasses as well. And wouldn't Perry White know that Clark was Superman?

[Tornado]

I think Perry would have his speculations, but there hasn't been anything on the show to make it seem as though he definitively knows one way or the other.

And no, Season 10 has not been confirmed to be the last. Just speculation.

[Neverending]

I think Perry would have his speculations, but there hasn't been anything on the show to make it seem as though he definitively knows one way or the other.

Unless Superman is wearing a mask he'll know it's him. He met Clark before the glasses. So, unless they address this on the show then we'll have to assume that in 2013, Perry White knows that Superman is one of his reporters.

[Tornado]

Yeah, but he's met him twice over the course of six years. It's not like it's Lois or Lex or somebody like that. He maybe wouldn't forget what Clark looks like without glasses, but stranger things have happened.

[Darth Maul]

So shell end up being a ***** in the end? :p agreed that the fight was way better then the doomsday one.

[MasterChief117]

I watched the last 5 minutes of it mainly to feed the urge to watch it, only thing was the copy I downloaded was Brazilian or some ****. The last fight, was beyond epic and was WAY more than I was expecting. I was thinking some stupid ass cop out like last year, no sir. :D

[Tornado]

Season 10 is Officially 'The End'

http://ausiellofiles.ew.com/2010/05/19/smallville-to-end-next-season/

Discretion and restraint are clearly not among Tom Welling’s superpowers.

The CW was hoping to announce at its upfront presentation Thursday that next season of Smallville — the show’s 10th — would be its last. But Welling — who was expected to deliver said announcement in person — jumped the gun and blabbed it to the press last night.
“Season 10 of Smallville will be the last season,” Welling told HollywoodLife.com last night at an event in Beverly Hills.

That noise you hear is Dawn Ostroff frantically searching for her blue kryptonite dagger.


Screw Ostroff, way to go Welling for just confirming what we all suspected. It will be a sad day when the show comes to an end, but going any further than Season 10 definitely would have felt like overkill.

[Tolkien]

Wow, ten years of Smallville. It's funny that I remember EXACTLY where I was when I saw the pilot episode. My mother was pretty sick and we eventually rushed her to the ER. I remember sitting in the waiting room when the episode came on. This was before I even knew that they were even making a Superman series. I immediately got into it and wanted to see more, but this was back before I started using DVRs so I missed a lot of the first season and eventually had to collect the DVD of it.

[insaneMoViEgoer]

Screw Ostroff, way to go Welling for just confirming what we all suspected. It will be a sad day when the show comes to an end, but going any further than Season 10 definitely would have felt like overkill.
Especially now that he has the suit lying around. Now all they need is a better timeslot. To think, in about one years time we may finally see Welling as Superman.

[Neverending]

10 seasons is more than enough, really.

[Tolkien]

Unless when Smallville ends they make a spin-off called Metropolis with Superman...

Though... spin-offs never last.

[Tornado]

Yeah, I don't see a second series at this point.

[Tolkien]

I would've fully supported it happening earlier. Much, much earlier.

[Tornado]

I'm banking on Season 10 kinda fitting that bill anyway. I honestly think we're going to see the suit sooner than the finale... possibly even in the premiere. I would be willing to bet that Clark will learn to fly in the premiere and he'll don the tights as the episode closes.

[Tolkien]

Yeah that final scene had me thinking "fly stupid, fly!"

[Tornado]

I'm guessing that what they'll do is the show will open with Clark falling, struggling to get the dagger out of himself. And right before he hits the ground, he'll get the dagger out and throw it away from himself, just as he stops. The camera will linger for a second, making us think he smashed into the ground, until it pulls to the side or something and reveals that he's hovering about three inches off the ground.

[Tolkien]

If that turns out to be true, I'm calling you on spoiler alert, lol.

[MasterChief117]

It's about time they finished and I too remember watching the Pilot ways ways back. We actually had our long time friends over to watch it as well, everyone liked it. Hard to believe that was 10 seasons and what not ago.

[Tornado]

If that turns out to be true, I'm calling you on spoiler alert, lol.

Would you even care? ;)

It's about time they finished and I too remember watching the Pilot ways ways back. We actually had our long time friends over to watch it as well, everyone liked it. Hard to believe that was 10 seasons and what not ago.

Didn't you just get into the show?

[MasterChief117]

Actually, no. I watched the first season and stopped, then my Dad dissed it and we never watched it again until September or some time around then I watched Season 8's Season Premiere and I was like I'm going to start watching this again, so we bought all the seasons and caught up...So, technically, we did start but we didn't watch it all.

[Tornado]

Ah.

Well, I'm certainly going to miss it regardless. I've been a constant viewer since the pilot; it's going to be weird to not have the show to look forward to anymore.

[MasterChief117]

I'm kinda sad I gave up on it for whatever reason that long ago. I mean, I love this show, it has it's moments where I'm like, that's stupid. But damn, when it's entertaining (insert Clark vs Zod fight) it's damn entertaining. I can't wait till next year, I can't even imagine the suit. Oh boy.

[Tornado]

This is being touted around the web as the teaser image for Season 10. I'm betting this is fan-made because of what looks like a "signature" of sorts in the lower left corner, but it looks pretty cool all the same.

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y202/theanomaly2/Smallvilleseason10-8.jpg

[MasterChief117]

Speaking of that and beyond what the picture shows, as a die hard Smallville and Superman fan, I was curious to see what your stance was on the suit. I mean, it's not as easy to bend to reality like the batsuit if you will. I mean at the end of the day it's still underwear and tights, how do you make that, not what it is? Just curious to your approach that's all.

[Tolkien]

It all comes down to time and effort. You respect a show and eventually miss it more when you've spent so many years watching it. Whether the episodes were bad or good, you become comfortable with the knowledge that it'll always be on next week. It's how I feel about Lost and 24. Bad or good, I've watched every episode.

[Tornado]

Speaking of that and beyond what the picture shows, as a die hard Smallville and Superman fan, I was curious to see what your stance was on the suit. I mean, it's not as easy to bend to reality like the batsuit if you will. I mean at the end of the day it's still underwear and tights, how do you make that, not what it is? Just curious to your approach that's all.

I'm not really sure what you're asking. This show doesn't really ever try to be all that realistic, I completely expect to see the full-on cape and tights at some point during Season 10. I don't expect the producers to try and "real-ize" the universe how Nolan did with Batman.

Whether the episodes were bad or good, you become comfortable with the knowledge that it'll always be on next week. It's how I feel about Lost and 24. Bad or good, I've watched every episode.

Ah, see all three of these are very different examples for me. I'm done with 24. I may look up the finale on Wikipedia or something, but I am not going to watch it anymore. I stuck with it as long as I could, but it pushed me up to the edge and laughed as I fell over the side. I'm done. Lost has always been a big event to me. I realize it had to come to an end and I've appreciated the show to a huge extent since its inception, but I'm ready for it to be over. Smallville, on the other hand, I grew up with. Clark has always been a year older than I, and we've conveniently tackled similar issues at the same times throughout our lives. I see a lot of myself in the character. Smallville ending will take a while for me to get used to.

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Also, somebody asked Ausiello for scoop on Season 10. He said he has something huge, the "biggest one ever" as he put it. But then he said "coming soon." My guess is that it's about Michael McKean (Perry) coming on full-time, but that's nothing more than a guess.

[Tornado]

This must have been what Ausiello was talking about:

http://ausiellofiles.ew.com/2010/05/19/allison-mack-smallville/#more-8361

Basically, Allison Mack is not coming back as a series regular. She's done. But, she will be coming back for a few episodes to tie up her story.

I think this is honestly for the best. She was a great character for those first five or six seasons, but she has become way too integrated into Clark's development. As helpful as she is, he doesn't really need her at this point and I hated the idea of another season with her as a backseat driver. I hope she leaves for Gotham, she can become Batman's Oracle. That role would make a lot more sense, and this way she's not totally out of the picture. She was dead weight in her current role, and I couldn't believe Brian Peterson wanted to get her back for the entirety of Season 10. She had nothing to do this year, why would they want her again? Thankfully, Mack was probably bored enough with her role to not want to re-up.

This leaves another spot open for the regulars on the show though. As of right now, the only actors in the credits will be Welling, Durance, and Justin Hartley (unfortunately). I can't see Darkseid being in Season 10 enough to warrant his own place in the credits, so he's kinda out. I'd like to see them get McKean back for 13+ episodes, and then get the girl who played Cat Grant as well (just to kinda liven up the office). I don't know about you guys, but I really get the feeling this season is going to be a lot different than the previous nine. If they're doing Darkseid, they'll need to cast Orion, so maybe he'll join the credits next year. Dan Turpin? I guess it just depends on which Darkseid story they end up going with. Although, bringing in Turpin could involve the Metropolis PD into the story more in general which is something I would like to see. If Clark/Superman goes public next year, it will be practically inevitable to involve law enforcement.

[MasterChief117]

I forgot you don't like Justin. I find him quite enjoyable, maybe because he's the closest thing I have to Bruce Wayne on Smallville. Oh well. Beyond that, OMG NEW CREDITS! lol I can't wait for those.

[Tornado]

New credits? Well, there are new credits every year. The general format (the shattering red panes) won't change... unfortunately. That is, unless they pull an X-Files and change them for really no reason in their final year. It wouldn't really make sense from a budget standpoint... but I can't imagine new credits would be that expensive.

And really, Oliver reminds you of Bruce? I get that they're both playboy billionaires who fight crime with skill instead of powers, but the similarities end there for me. It's not so much that I dislike Justin Hartley; he has done a great job with the character. My issue lies with the fact that the series is supposed to be about Clark, but it tends to become the OQH (Oliver Queen Hour) far too often.

[Jason Krueger]

I think I'm going to watch this season since its the last one, I'll have to catch up since the last season I really watched was 5.

[Tornado]

Nice. Keep us posted if you decide to do that. Unfortunately, you're going to be coming in right where the series really started to falter. Pieces of Season 6 are really good, but when it's bad it's horrible. Season 7 is a mess too. The first half of Season 8 is amazing, but the second half is pretty muddled. Season 9 though, in my opinion, is the strongest effort of the series.

[Jason Krueger]

I figured out if I watch 2 episodes a day I'll be caught up by July 2 which isn't too bad so I'm going to start in sometime today.

[Tolkien]

So if Allison Mack isn't going to come back as a regular, does that mean her character will die, or will her character just pull a Lana Lang and leave?

[MasterChief117]

Nice. Keep us posted if you decide to do that. Unfortunately, you're going to be coming in right where the series really started to falter. Pieces of Season 6 are really good, but when it's bad it's horrible. Season 7 is a mess too. The first half of Season 8 is amazing, but the second half is pretty muddled. Season 9 though, in my opinion, is the strongest effort of the series.


I agree the first 5 seasons for the most part are pretty solid with the occasional bad episode, the later half is just bad. The other seasons had more misses than hits and Season 8 which I loved the way it started, was absolutely terrible in the second half. Not to mention that absolutely pathetic excuse for a fight scene with Doomsday and Clark. I think based on recent memory, I'm going to have to agree that Season 9 is probably the best, especially with the finale, Absolute Justice and Pandora(to name a few).

[MasterChief117]

New credits? Well, there are new credits every year. The general format (the shattering red panes) won't change... unfortunately. That is, unless they pull an X-Files and change them for really no reason in their final year. It wouldn't really make sense from a budget standpoint... but I can't imagine new credits would be that expensive.

And really, Oliver reminds you of Bruce? I get that they're both playboy billionaires who fight crime with skill instead of powers, but the similarities end there for me. It's not so much that I dislike Justin Hartley; he has done a great job with the character. My issue lies with the fact that the series is supposed to be about Clark, but it tends to become the OQH (Oliver Queen Hour) far too often.



Again, he's the closest thing to Bruce I'll ever get. I didn't say he was Bruce Wayne. And I mean, I'd rather of Superman take the spotlight but there was just a few episodes where you really didn't see a whole lot of him.

[insaneMoViEgoer]

Official Press Release. Just going to post the relevant info.

On Friday, two rock solid hits, SMALLVILLE and SUPERNATURAL, reunite for a great two-hour block. In its explosive tenth and final season, SMALLVILLE will remain in the 8:00-9:00 p.m. timeslot, where it gave the CW its best numbers ever in the time period with scripted programming last year. The series will bring Clark Kent's epic journey to a conclusion worthy of a superhero. In the 9:00-10:00 p.m. hour, the Winchester Brothers continue their heroic battle to ensure that good triumphs over evil, no matter what the personal cost may be to the brothers themselves. Last season, SUPERNATURAL's ratings were up year-to-year with women 18-49.

FRIDAY

8:00-9:00 P.M. "SMALLVILLE"

Entering its explosive tenth and final season, SMALLVILLE culminates in the epic rise of the world's ultimate hero - Superman. Finally working alongside the intrepid Lois Lane at the Daily Planet, Clark Kent had accepted his destiny as the guardian of Metropolis when General Zod arrived, challenging Clark's authority and power. Just when the romance between Clark and Lois began to bloom, Clark was called into duty by the legendary Justice Society and his own burgeoning league of heroes to fight the gathering dark forces. As season nine drew to a close, Clark sacrificed himself to save the world from Zod. Season ten promises the classic reuniting of the timeless romance between Clark and Lois, and brings Clark face-to-face with his destiny as he overcomes his final trials and forges the iconic identity that will be known for all time. The series stars Tom Welling as Clark Kent, Erica Durance as Lois Lane, Justin Hartley as Oliver Queen and Cassidy Freeman as Tess Mercer. SMALLVILLE was developed for television by Alfred Gough & Miles Millar ("Shanghai Noon," "The Mummy: Tomb of the Dragon Emperor"), based on the DC Comics characters. Kelly Souders & Brian Peterson serve as executive producers, along with James Marshall, Mike Tollin, Brian Robbins, Joe Davola and Tom Welling. The series is produced by Tollin/Robbins Productions, Millar/Gough Ink and Warner Bros. Television. SUPERMAN was created by Jerry Siegel and Joe Shuster.

http://www.comingsoon.net/news/tvnews.php?id=66247

And from Matt Mitovich's Twitter:

CW press conf: Dawn says this will be promoted as #smallville's final season, budget same as S9.

CW press conf: Dawn tells Fancast 'I don't know if youll really feel like (Allison Mack) is gone' from #smallville, being in multiple eps.

CW #upfront: Tom Welling promises #Smallville will 'go out with a bang'

CW #upfront: #Smallville wins its time period with Men 18-34.

CW #upfront: Dawn Ostroff gives kudos to #Smallville for scoring best ratings ever for CW Friday scripted show.

CW #upfront: For those who hadn't heard: Tom Welling is a full executive producer on #Smallville for S10.

CW #upfront: Tom Welling really wants Lex/MR back in some capacity for #Smallville S10.

CW #upfront: Tom Welling seems sincerely uncertain if #Smallville is bringing on Granny Goodness and/or Darkseid in S10.

CW #upfront: Tom Welling tells @EricIGN he's 'terrified' to ever wear the Superman suit. #smallville

From IGN twitter

Ostroff says they intend to do strong promotion for #Smallville's final season - and budget is the same as last season*

Asked Ostroff if Durance would be in 22 eps. Didn't specifically say, but said with it being final season, expect lot of guests.

Allison Mack no longer regular but back for "multiple episodes" - not sure if exact number decided yet, says Dawn Ostroff

[Tornado]

So if Allison Mack isn't going to come back as a regular, does that mean her character will die, or will her character just pull a Lana Lang and leave?

Open to guesses at this point. I don't think she will die, but there's no way to know at this point.

[Spirited Away]

Given Dawn-O's statements, I think Chloe is still be alive, but off-screen. I predict she'll leave to find new JLA members from around the world, and come back every now and then.

[insaneMoViEgoer]

Yeah it just sounds like she's getting less screen time.

[Tornado]

http://www.nypost.com/p/blogs/popwrap/tom_welling_season_KrVaWjyQOGVuqtmfm7nKSP

Tom Welling: Season 10 will be huge!

News that "Smallville" would be ending next season broke yesterday, breaking fans hearts in the process. But even a CW press release touting the tenth and final season wasn't enough to keep star Tom Welling from telling PopWrap at The CW Upfronts this morning that 2011 might not be the end of Clark Kent's journey.

PopWrap: The network announced next year will be "Smallville's" final season -- bittersweet?
Tom Welling: That’s the funny thing. I’m really excited we have a season 10 – and I don’t want to jump to the sadness of it maybe being the last one. But we actually don’t know. We’ve lasted this long because the of the fans, who knows, if enough people watch this year ... eleven sounds pretty good too!

PW: And Allison Mack will be back, right?
Tom: Allison will be back! Just in a more limited capacity. Don’t worry, Chloe will be a part of season 10.

PW: The show started out with a "no tights, no flight" rule from the creators, but you guys have found clever ways around that over the years. Any feelings about actually seeing Clark slip into red and blue spandex?
Tom: I think there’s always a possibility of that. For me, one of the reasons I’ve felt like the show has been so great is because it follows Clark’s journey into becoming Superman. So if that happens, it will be very late in the season – even possibly the very last thing you see on "Smallville."

PW: What would you like to see next season?
Tom: I’d like to see him get out of the trouble he got into at the end of last season [laughs]. But mostly I’d like to see him with Lex again, I’d like to see Michael [Rosenbaum] back. I think it’d be cool to see Lana and Lois in the same room, that would be very interesting for Clark to be a part of. There’s Justice League possibilities, there’s a lot going on. Ten will be a huge season!

PW: With the possible series finale, one would think you could bring everyone back.
Tom: I hope so! I hope they all feel that way. I’d love to see Annette [O' Toole, plays Martha Kent] back more, Michael McKean [Perry White], John Schneider [Jonathan Kent] – all these guys. They’re all part of the family!

"Smallville" airs Fridays at 8pm on The CW

I definitely want to see Martha more often and Jonathan again, and I'd love to have Michael back as a regular. As for Kristin... I don't know. I have to admit that while she has definitely been my least favorite regular on the series, I don't really care for how the writers ended the arc between Clark and Lana. It'd be kinda nice to see her come back for a couple of episodes, and highlight the relationship between Clark and Lois and show that he and Lana will never be more than friends now.

[MasterChief117]

Well since Tess, Zod and Chloe are out of the picture you are going to need more actors to step up. Since it's look like we might get McKean for next year it'd be really nice for MR to come back. Actually if MR came back, I'd be most excited him and Clark going together was the best.


One thing, I'm not very happy about him saying him in full Superman tights would maybe be the last thing you'd see on Smallville. That's lame, I want next year him to be Superman. Don't cut us short, Smallville.

[Neverending]

They mention Tess on the press release, so I guess she's still around.

[Tornado]

One thing, I'm not very happy about him saying him in full Superman tights would maybe be the last thing you'd see on Smallville. That's lame, I want next year him to be Superman. Don't cut us short, Smallville.

Not putting him in the tights before the finale wouldn't be cutting us short at all. The show isn't about Superman, it's about Clark's development toward becoming Superman.

[King_of_Skid_Row]

Calling it now. He will fully turn into Superman in the series finale to face Dark Seid in a full epic battle.

[Neverending]

Calling it now. He will fully turn into Superman in the series finale to face Dark Seid in a full epic battle.

They will never give Smallville the budget to do something EPIC. The fight, if there is one, will be short and simple.

[Tornado]

And besides, that's what practically everybody thinks is going to happen. Not exactly calling anything. ;)

[Tornado]

New Tom Welling interview at IGN:

http://tv.ign.com/articles/109/1091416p1.html

Doesn't talk about much outside of what the earlier interview covered, but I still like seeing the guy doing press.

[Neverending]

It took Smallville ending for Tom Welling to start doing press again. Well, that and him executive producing that Hellcat show.

[Neverending]

Here's the trailer for that show that Tom Welling is producing:

J9EbITo-yB8

[Tornado]

It looks stupid, but what the hell was I really expecting?

[Neverending]

So, is Tom Welling's career over after Smallville? He hasn't done a movie in 5 years and is now producing a teen show for the CW.

[Tolkien]

I've actually been disappointed that I havn't seen more from him over the years.

Outside Smallville, I mean.

[Tornado]

Hard to say. With how busy he is during Smallville (lead actor, executive producer, etc.), I can imagine he probably isn't jumping to work during his off time. But I guess I can kinda see him fading into obscurity after the series ends. He's great on the show, but I wouldn't call him a great actor.

[Neverending]

Plus, he didn't choose good film roles. Cheaper by the Dozen? The Fog? It's interesting that Brandon Routh seems to be playing it smarter. He had an amusing small role in Kevin Smith's Zack and Miri, his guest spot on Chuck is pretty good, and he's in Scott Pilgrim vs the World.

[Tornado]

Ah, I see where you're coming from, but I don't think you can compare them like that. When Tom was offered/took those roles, he was only a couple of years into a show on what is/was traditionally a network geared toward female teenagers in the WB. When Routh was offered/took those roles, he had already played one of the most iconic characters of all-time in one of the biggest blockbusters ever. I expect roles like those from Welling at the time; it's funny to me seeing Routh taking cameo-like roles like his part in Zack and Miri.

I think, honestly, if we don't see Welling in anything after Smallville it will be on his terms.

[Neverending]

When Routh was offered/took those roles, he had already played one of the most iconic characters of all-time in one of the biggest blockbusters ever.

Superman Returns is considered a flop. So, Brandon Routh still getting work is a miracle. Especially since before the movie he was a soap opera actor. I think that he's just picking his roles carefully. All the actors that have played Superman couldn't get a break afterwards. Add the tragedy of George Reeves and Christopher Reeves and that's why people say that the role is cursed. Routh is aware of how much the other actors struggled and is doing the best he can.

Tom Welling, on the other hand, seems to have given up. He has directed a few episodes of Smallville and is now an executive producer. In addition, he's producing that Hellcats show. So, I think that Welling's acting career is pretty much over. He seems to be in transition for a behind the scenes career.

[Tornado]

I'm not talking about the gross of Superman Returns. I'm talking about how huge that movie was. It was everywhere that summer. Just that level of exposure should have shot Routh into the limelight, especially since he was nowhere near the biggest problem of the film.

I don't see your point with the second half of your post. I never disagreed with you on that. I've been saying for a long time that Tom probably won't step in front of the camera much after the series (hell, I literally just said that). I think he has the presence to continue acting if he wants, but I'm not sure he'll be interested when the show is over.

[DarthVader 2004]

Why not call it Bring It On The Series for that's what it is

[bychance]

So, is Tom Welling's career over after Smallville? He hasn't done a movie in 5 years and is now producing a teen show for the CW.

Welling never striked me as someone who wanted to do much besides Smallville to be honest.

He doesn't do much press either. When he came to Comic Con last year it was like seeing a unicorn, lol.

[Spirited Away]

People need to remember Tom Welling never intended on becoming an actor in the first place. He was a construction worker, started doing a bit of modelling on the side, then that became his full-time career, but he got bored, so his agent sent him to audition for a few things. After a few guest stints, he lands Smallville.

He'll probably appear in Hellcats every now and again, and maybe even full-time if it gets a second season. But yeah, he's probably not going to continue with acting, because he'd have had a few major films by now.

I mean, Tom Welling would be perfect for romantic comedy films, and I'm sure his agent always gets asked to do them, but quite clearly he doesn't want to do them.

[Neverending]

He'll probably appear in Hellcats every now and again, and maybe even full-time if it gets a second season.

If the show is a hit he'll probably play a college professor during its second season.

[Tornado]

Season 9 DVD Cover art is out:

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y202/theanomaly2/s9dvdart.jpg

I think it looks cool, but I'm a little disappointed Chloe isn't on the cover too. She was on the show for nine seasons, but not on one cover? Now she's done as a regular, so it's not like she'll be on the Season 10 cover with Clark. Ah well.

[Tornado]

While I am obviously a huge fan anyway, it's weird how much I appreciate the show after having seen the terrible Lost finale last night. As silly as Smallville can sometimes be, it would never do anything that ridiculous.

[G-Matrix]

Wait and see Tornado!!!!! jajajajaja

just kidding

[MasterChief117]

Best cover of the 9, IMO. Can't wait for this, hopefully some good special features as well.

[Tornado]

Wait and see Tornado!!!!! jajajajaja

just kidding

Unfortunately, you're right. With the Season 10 arc most likely using Darkseid, Granny Goodness, and other similar elements, the show could be the best it's ever been just as easily as it could be at its most ridiculous.

[Neverending]

Hopefully they learned from their Doomsday mistakes.

[true fan11212]

While I am obviously a huge fan anyway, it's weird how much I appreciate the show after having seen the terrible Lost finale last night. As silly as Smallville can sometimes be, it would never do anything that ridiculous.

Meh. Smallville at its very best isn't as good as Lost was at its very worst. Hell, Smallville was always my fifth tier option among my top five shows of last decade (Lost, Angel, 24 and Heroes being the other four). Anyway, if they can cut down on the filler episodes this season and have an epic finale, Season 10 could go down as Smallville's Best Season and send off the series on a great note.

[Tornado]

Ehh. Smallville at its very best isn't as good as Lost was at its very worst.

Ah, different strokes I guess. While I think the very best of Lost is better than the very best of Smallville, I do think the very best of Smallville is better than mediocre/bad Lost.

Hell, Smallville was always my fifth tier option among my top five shows of last decade (Lost, Angel, 24 and Heroes being the other four).

Yeesh. ;)

[Neverending]

if they can cut down on the filler episodes

I'd prefer if they focus on telling a consistant story. The biggest flaw of season 9 was Zod's arc. Half the season he wasn't even there. If they want to pull off Darkseid correctly then his plot shouldn't be pushed to the side in favor of other things. If he's the main villain then he needs to be treated like one.

[true fan11212]

Ah, different strokes I guess. While I think the very best of Lost is better than the very best of Smallville, I do think the very best of Smallville is better than mediocre/bad Lost.

My statement may have been a bit much. Then again, I don't remember a single episode of Lost that I hated (I'm indifferent on Across The Sea). Then again, my memory of the first two seasons isn't that strong.

Yeesh. ;)

Lol. Being a Heroes fan is the television version of being a fan of the Star Wars Prequels. You just have to accept people thinking you're an idiot for what you like.


I'd prefer if they focus on telling a consistant story. The biggest flaw of season 9 was Zod's arc. Half the season he wasn't even there. If they want to pull off Darkseid correctly then his plot shouldn't be pushed to the side in favor of other things. If he's the main villain then he needs to be treated like one.

Although I thought Zod's arc was pulled off decently enough, I agree with you. In fact, that's really what I meant by getting rid of fillers. I want them to completely focus on the main threat of the season and not go off on these tangents.

[MasterChief117]

Yeah, even the sucky terrible episodes of Smallville I can at least enjoy, just MST3K it lol. I got a good feeling about Season 10. I really do.

[Neverending]

that's really what I meant by getting rid of fillers.

But this wasn't an issue in past seasons. Filler and non-filler episodes were able to co-exist. In season 9, the Zod arc was just mostly ignored. I don't know why they even bothered putting the actor in the opening credits. He was treated more like a guest star than a series regular. Doomsday, by comparison, was actually a big part of season 8. They may have screwed up with the character but the actor earned his place as a series regular. Zod was no different than, say, Brainiac. Just a guest star playing a high profile villain.

[MasterChief117]

Agreed. I'm really hoping they set on a big villain rather than just all over the place like this year. Not to mention with Tess and Zod out of the way, it'd be nice to open up. I really wasn't a fan of them in this season. Also, not a big complaint, but it'd be nice to see more action scenes aimed like the Season Finale one we just saw, that was simply amazing, so much fun to watch.

[Tornado]

My statement may have been a bit much. Then again, I don't remember a single episode of Lost that I hated (I'm indifferent on Across The Sea). Then again, my memory of the first two seasons isn't that strong.

I didn't hate any episode except for the finale, but there were certainly episodes I didn't like: Hearts and Minds, Adrift, Stranger in a Strange Land, Expose, Something Nice Back Home, The Lie, What Kate Does, etc.

Lol. Being a Heroes fan is the television version of being a fan of the Star Wars Prequels. You just have to accept people thinking you're an idiot for what you like.

Oh I don't think you're an idiot, far from it. I loved Heroes during Season 1. And I thought Season 2 was pretty good too, except for how much time Hiro spent in mid-1700's Japan. That should have been wrapped up in 2-3 episodes, not 8-9. I know I watched all of 'Villains' and thought it had its moments, but I think I gave up on the show before it came back for Volume 4. It's actually one of the few shows I've given up on that I would like to go back to, but I know I probably won't.

But this wasn't an issue in past seasons. Filler and non-filler episodes were able to co-exist. In season 9, the Zod arc was just mostly ignored. I don't know why they even bothered putting the actor in the opening credits. He was treated more like a guest star than a series regular. Doomsday, by comparison, was actually a big part of season 8. They may have screwed up with the character but the actor earned his place as a series regular. Zod was no different than, say, Brainiac. Just a guest star playing a high profile villain.

Very different stories though. Davis was just a guy with dark urges for most of the season. Even Clark didn't know Davis was Doomsday/super-powered/unkillable until... Eternal, I think? That's 18 episodes in. In the meantime, Davis was able to be involved in storylines with every character quite easily. Personally, I was fine with Zod's arc. The only real issue I had was how busy the end of the season was between Clois, the Blur, Zod, Checkmate, etc. Because of this, they had trouble pinning down a main issue, but that's probably pretty similar to what your problem was.

[Tornado]

Agreed. I'm really hoping they set on a big villain rather than just all over the place like this year. Not to mention with Tess and Zod out of the way, it'd be nice to open up. I really wasn't a fan of them in this season. Also, not a big complaint, but it'd be nice to see more action scenes aimed like the Season Finale one we just saw, that was simply amazing, so much fun to watch.

Oh, I don't know about Tess being gone.

[Neverending]

Oh, I don't know about Tess being gone.

They mention her in the press release.

[Tornado]

For those interested, I am working on my virtual Season 10. I've just had to do a fair amount of research into Darkseid and the New Gods, which is why it's taking me so long. I hope to have the cast list and first episode up this weekend.

[Tolkien]

You entertain me, Torn. You entertain me well. Keep it up. :)

[MasterChief117]

Dude, no I want Tess gone. I can't stand that *****. Her character is beyond dry.


And I can't wait to see the stuff you come up with, Torn! :)

[Neverending]

Dude, no I want Tess gone. I can't stand that *****. Her character is beyond dry.

Tess is required eye candy, I'm afraid. Now that Chloe (Allison Mack) is gone they need someone other than Erica Durance to sell sex. I expect Tess to wear less cloths this season and sleep with more men.

[MasterChief117]

Erica Durance sells me on the entire show. While Tess is okay, Erica will always be my favorite.

[Neverending]

Erica Durance sells me on the entire show. While Tess is okay, Erica will always be my favorite.

It's true that Erica Durance is the hottest, but the show has always offered alternatives for the audience. Kristen Kreuk is beautiful. Allison Mack is cute. Laura Whats-Her-Face who played Supergirl is a hot blonde. So, Tess fills the role of the chick you want to have angry sex with.

[Tornado]

The Season 10 premiere title has been announced:

LAZARUS

Interesting, but I really thought it would maybe be Superman.

[true fan11212]

The Season 10 premiere title has been announced:

LAZARUS

Interesting, but I really thought it would maybe be Superman.

Superman would make more sense as the title of the series finale.

[Tornado]

Yeah, but I had a good feeling about that one. After the flash of the future and the reveal of the costume, it would have seemed fitting to see him don the tights in the premiere.

[Red Star Rao]

Hello! I've been reading the comingsoon forums for probably 4 years now and just never took the time to register and join the conversations. I'm a HUGE Superman fan and I love Smallville. Sad to see Smallville is going to end, but every show has it's time. I don't read spoilers (I can't stand to be spoiled), so I don't have any idea of what's coming. Sometimes I have to avoid forums for a while when they start getting too heavy with spoilers - LOL. I agree with some views here (in the Smallville thread) and disagree with some views here - which is probably normal. I like Tornado as he seems to share a lot of the same views on Smallville as I have - from what I remember reading over the years anyway. Guess I'm a newbie even though I've been lurking for so long, but I plan on coming here to join in on the talk. Just wanted to introduce myself quick.

Red Star Rao

[Tornado]

We can always use active people in this thread, good to have ya aboard.

[MasterChief117]

Eh, well this seasons in the ****ter already! hahaha


I'm hoping they give us at least give us an episode entitled Superman. But, oh well.

[Tornado]

Big news today! Season 10's LAZARUS will premiere September 24th, 2010.

Also, there will be a returning guest star (not Rosenbaum, unfortunately):

John Schneider as Jonathan Kent! He will be in two episodes this season (so far) - the premiere and probably #200, which will be the 4th episode of the season.

[true fan11212]

Big news today! Season 10's LAZARUS will premiere September 24th, 2010.

Also, there will be a returning guest star (not Rosenbaum, unfortunately):

John Schneider as Jonathan Kent! He will be in two episodes this season (so far) - the premiere and probably #200, which will be the 4th episode of the season.

I wonder how they'll pull that off. Eitherway, that's good to know. My mom loved that character!

[MasterChief117]

Eh, I want Lex back. Oh well. I'll take what I can get.

[Tornado]

Quit being a Debbie Downer, this is great news.

[MasterChief117]

Like I said, I'll take what I can get but I'd rather have Lex on. I'm hoping they save that as some sorta 'surprise' for Comic Con but I won't keep my hopes up.



Just finished the wedding episode and Titan episode in the sixth season. Both were mildly entertaining. I find it pathetic how the Titan fight sequence was better than the Doomsday one.

[Neverending]

I've been thinking about re-watching the entire series before the final season premieres, but I don't know if I can get through seasons 1-4. Maybe I'll just watch the good episodes.

[MasterChief117]

Just realized that Lazarus might be in reference to Ra's Al Ghul's Lazarus Pit?

[Tornado]

I doubt it. I don't think they'd reference Ra's before Batman.

[MasterChief117]

True, just seem weird to me that they would bring back a character that has been dead for 5 seasons in an episode called 'Lazarus'. Coincidence, I suppose.

[Tornado]

You should tag that for the blatant spoilers.

Lazarus probably refers to Clark dying, and then coming back to life. Odds are he'll meet up with Jonathan in the after-life before he comes back.

[MasterChief117]

You should tag that for the blatant spoilers.

Lazarus probably refers to Clark dying, and then coming back to life. Odds are he'll meet up with Jonathan in the after-life before he comes back.

Good point, I completely forgot about that.

[Neverending]

he'll meet up with Jonathan in the after-life

Again?

[Fresh Prince]

Lazarus? Cool title....Clark dies and goes to hell then comes back?

[Red Star Rao]

You should tag that for the blatant spoilers.


Good point, I completely forgot about that.

Thanks for the spolier tags. :) I haven't had a chance to come back to the board much since my first post, so I luckily missed whatever it was pre-spoiler tagged. :D I do appreciate blacking the spoiler!!

Red Star Rao

[Red Star Rao]

Just a few things on my mind about the season finale last month.

I thought the season finale was AWESOME! Best Smallville finale I've seen in years.

I thought the cliff hanger was great! Clark falling with the blue kryptonite and the Book of Rao still "on"...Clark can not simply pull the blue kryptonite dagger out and just throw it away, or else he'll ascend to the new krypton-world as well. So I'm anxious to see what happens. If the Book of Rao gets turned off (by say, Chloe, or Lois, or a member of JLA, etc) and Clark throws the blue kryptonite away, I don't think he would learn to fly all of the sudden. If he's invulnurable again, he can fall to the ground and survive easily. Now, if their happens to be people below him who would get hurt from him falling...then I could see him learning to fly...or at least altering his tradjection and be kind of a baby step towards flying. I really hope when he does learn to fly, it's b/c he has no other option, and it is for a major heroic deed.

And also, the kiss where Lois realizes The Blur is Clark...I really hope they don't twist into the "super kiss" next season. LOL. (That was a great moment in the finale, btw).

Red Star Rao

[Tornado]

Back cover art for the Season 9 DVD:

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y202/theanomaly2/s9-dvd-back.jpg

Disc art:

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y202/theanomaly2/s9-dvd-discs.jpg

[Tornado]

There's been a lot of talk going on recently about Kristin Kreuk (Lana) and Sam Jones (Pete) making returns this season. Personally, I hope they both do. I would like Lana to come back, cured of Kryptonite (it was a stupid idea to begin with, I don't really care how they decide to fix it as long as they do), if only to have Clark shoot down having a relationship with her. It should have happened when she came along in Season 8, but it can happen now instead. If she comes back at the same time as Pete, they can start dropping hints about those two ending up together (as they do in the comics).

[Tornado]

They announced the directors for the first two episodes:

1001 Lazarus: Kevin Fair (Odyssey, Abyss, and Savior)
1002 No Title Yet: Glen Winter (Traveler, Legion, Idol)

[MasterChief117]

I want to put my two cents in real quick. Laura Vandervoort is extremely beautiful, but damn season 7 is awful. My two cents.

[Tornado]

\S/eason 10 began filming today. Hopefully there will be some new information for us spoiler hounds in the next few days.

[true fan11212]

There's been a lot of talk going on recently about Kristin Kreuk (Lana) and Sam Jones (Pete) making returns this season. Personally, I hope they both do. I would like Lana to come back, cured of Kryptonite (it was a stupid idea to begin with, I don't really care how they decide to fix it as long as they do), if only to have Clark shoot down having a relationship with her. It should have happened when she came along in Season 8, but it can happen now instead. If she comes back at the same time as Pete, they can start dropping hints about those two ending up together (as they do in the comics).

While they should rectify the Lana-Kryptonite thing, I really don't wanna see Lana brought back again. It would just seem like a step back for the show. Pete, on the other hand, I'm all for coming back.

[Tornado]

Really? Because I think bringing Lana back and then having Clark turn down another chance at her would be a step forward for everybody involved and the show in general.

[Tornado]

Allison Mack just booked an off-Broadway play, so she's probably not going to be in a string of 4-5 episodes like I thought. It sounds like she's going to be in Lazarus and the following episode, then take a break, then come back for 2-3 more before the winter hiatus.

[Tornado]

Another former regular is returning for an episode:

Laura Vandervoort as Kara! Actually, considering we're going into a season filled with Darkseid and Apokolips and whatnot, I'm surprised it's only one episode considering how well she would fit in with all of that and the lost city of Kandor. My money is on #200, which should be a biggie with John Schneider as well. Flight?

[true fan11212]

Really? Because I think bringing Lana back and then having Clark turn down another chance at her would be a step forward for everybody involved and the show in general.

Well, I guess that's true.

Another former regular is returning for an episode:

Laura Vandervoort as Kara! Actually, considering we're going into a season filled with Darkseid and Apokolips and whatnot, I'm surprised it's only one episode considering how well she would fit in with all of that and the lost city of Kandor. My money is on #200, which should be a biggie with John Schneider as well. Flight?

That's great to hear! Now if only that could bring back a certain bald headed villain ;)

[Tornado]

Two additional titles were revealed today:

Episode 1002 is called SHIELD, and the episode in which Kara returns (no episode # yet) is entitled SUPERGIRL. I'm not wild about the second title, if only because it will make the eventual 'Superman' naming of Clark seem like an afterthought.

[Tornado]

1004 (Episode #200) has a title now: HOMECOMING.

No idea who is coming home. Kelly and Brian are writing it though so it must be a big deal.

[Tornado]

Is it coincidence that the pilot held the high school's Homecoming dance and now 200 episodes later we have that as an episode title? I wouldn't be opposed to seeing more nostalgia in that sense, going back to the school (maybe a new freak of the week, it's certainly been a while since we've had one) or bringing in Kristin (Lana) and/or Sam (Pete).

I don't know about the rest of you, but I'm pretty ****ing excited for Season 10 to start. Comic-Con seems so far away!