Smallville

[Tornado]

Is anybody else weirded out by the notion that Lex Luthor may actually be dead? I really thought we'd see him in a recovery room somewhere at the tail end of Doomsday, but since we didn't... there's no way DC would let them kill him off for good, but I do think it's a bit strange.

[Spirited Away]

He's "officially dead" in the SV universe, but we know he had access to cloning technology, so his clone could have just died.

[Tornado]

For all we know the guy in the truck was a clone. He's definitely not "officially dead," unless you've seen some announcement by the producers stating otherwise.

[Spirited Away]

He is "officially dead" in the SV universe. We saw him blow-up on-screen, and then the police said they identified his body, and it was a DNA match too. And then the press were celebrating his life, through all the papers, and the lead characters seem to thing he's dead too, in their conversations.

They can easily bring him back to life (Lana was officially dead too for most of the S7 premiere), but he's dead until then.

[Tornado]

You're being very loose with the term "officially dead."

[Alien]

We never saw him blow up on screen. The truck we think he was in blew up. Just coz it cut from inside the truk to out side the truck doesn't mean it's the same truck. TV can lie to us like that.

[Spirited Away]

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[ViRUs]

wow, got some intense things going on here. I figured since the show just had it's season finale I would come back and give a update that no one cares about.

Just about done with season 6, and I really like it so far. Clark is starting to see the bigger picture, and his relationship with Lex has really gotten bad. I like the progression they made with that. I just saw "Subterranean" and it was a filler more or less, but I loved the ending with that AFI song as Lex walked away.

[Tornado]

Yeah, Clark was starting to see the big picture at that point. But get ready for a season of backtracking when you get to 7. ;)

[unity768]

7 was so bad- 6 had a lot of good moments. I've been thinking...since the producers decided to get Lex and Lana together at the tail end of season 5 the show's quality has gone down hill. They mishandled the downward spiral of the Lex/Clark relationship IMO. It shouldn't have crumbled because of a girl (mainly).

[RingWraith2k4]

7 was so bad- 6 had a lot of good moments. I've been thinking...since the producers decided to get Lex and Lana together at the tail end of season 5 the show's quality has gone down hill. They mishandled the downward spiral of the Lex/Clark relationship IMO. It shouldn't have crumbled because of a girl (mainly).

I agree season 7 was very bad overall. The only episode I really liked from season 7 was "Descent"

[FVD]

Just caught an early episode with the lovely Emmanuelle Vaugier as Dr Helen Bryce. :D The episode with the psycho ex who wouldn't even get over her plus the introduction of Sheriff Adams. That was the 1st Season wasn't it?

And what a strange (yet pleasant) coincidence(s) I've just noticed. Both Emmanuelle Vaugier and Alana de la Garza's birthdays are 5 days apart...and I'm stuck in the middle. :D Ah the wonderful month of June. We're all the same age too. ;)

Both have appeared on Smallville and both were also killed off on CSI: NY and CSI: Miami respectively. Both of which were Season Finales in fact. Yes I know it means nothing but it's interesting nonetheless. ;)

[Tornado]

'Smallville' scoop: Are they casting Zod?!

May 27, 2009, 06:11 PM | by Michael Ausiello

Categories: Smallville

It sure sounds like it based on this season 9 casting notice that just fell onto my lap:

MASON: Late 20's early 30's. He's a handsome charismatic charmer who savors life. He appreciates good food, loves fast cars and sees beauty in every woman. There isn't a detail in life that eludes his senses. He is a master of seduction... knowing what everyone wants and needs before they do. But don't let his magnetism fool you. There's more than meets the eye. His intelligence can't be matched. He outmaneuvers everyone in his path. Though he longs to find a home, that vulnerability can be twisted -- making him a force to be reckoned with."

Thoughts?!

Either Ausiello doesn't know anything about Superman or they're going to really **** up Zod.

[Spirited Away]

Sounds more like Batman than Zod.

[Neverending]

Sounds more like Batman than Zod.

Yup.

[Spirited Away]

Could it be be Dick Grayson?

My pitch:

Off-screen in Gotham, Batman is missing, and Dick is being expected to take over his reigns. However, he loses confidence in himself: how can he even begin to compare to the Dark Knight? So he leaves to Metropolis, to get away from it all. However, after a series of events, he ends up right in the middle of it, and is forced to break out the Nightwing suit, pressured by Chloe and the JL. (Clark is still stone-cold.)

The character's progression throughout the season would be about him developing his own identity and confidence to step out of Batman's shadow. By the end of the story arc, he leaves Metropolis to return to Gotham City, and finally "battle for the Cowl". Of course, getting clearance from Nolan would be difficult given how he's essentially holding the Batman franchise at ransom, however:

1) No direct references need to be made to Batman, Bruce Wayne or Alfred. It can all be alluded to by Dick having a batarang or something which he carries with him all the time. When asked about it, he could say something like: "it belonged to someone close to me" and "he was someone I can never be".

2) No Gotham City - entire plot can begin with a sports car with a Gotham City license plate pulling up to a luxury hotel, and end with him going off.

3) It's not a regular role, but a recurring one. 8 episodes max.

[Tornado]

I don't mean to sound like a jerk, but I would hate to see any of that.

[bbf2]

Mason is clearly going to be the human Darkseid.

[Tornado]

I really don't think they'd pull that card twice.

[Spirited Away]

And Darkseid isn't really that hard to pull off without resorting to human disguises. Just requires a pro-wrestler and skin-dye.

[RingWraith2k4]

And Darkseid isn't really that hard to pull off without resorting to human disguises. Just requires a pro-wrestler and skin-dye.

I definitely agree with ya! But the way CW Network is these days, I betting they'll put a 20-something, good-looking actor to play Darkseid, with the actual look of Darkseid being teased and barely shown the same way they did with the Doomsday character.

After all, Davis was on-screen 95% of the time compared to his Doomsday persona.

[Spirited Away]

Fortunately they don't seem to care that much about age in SV. Despite being good looking, Davis was clearly in his late 20s. And for this new character, they're looking for someone in their late 20s or early 30s.

[Spirited Away]

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1570568/board/flat/123072649?d=139193301&p=5#139193301

Erica Durance (Lois) is in the premiere, and it looks like she's in all 10 of the first 10 episodes.

No info about when she comes back, but remember she's in 17 episodes altogether. I say episodes 1 - 10, then a plot device involving her disappearance, returning for episodes 16 - 22. The audience needs to get used to Erica being featured more prominently (as without Chloe, Season 10 really will be "Lois & Clark"), so having two long stretches of the character is exactly what's needed.

[Spirited Away]

http://spoilertv-smallville.blogspot.com/2009/06/casting-sides-for-mason.html

"Mason" is either Lex Luthor or someone who thinks they're Lex Luthor (a f**ked up version of the Eradicator?).

[Tornado]

I really hope Lex is just "assumed dead" until they can bring Rosenbaum back. Season 8 was good without him, I'm sure Season 9 can be too.

Also, hi-res art for the Season 8 DVD:

http://img36.imageshack.us/img36/3548/smallvilleseas8r1artpic.jpg

[Stay Puft]

I really hope Lex is just "assumed dead" until they can bring Rosenbaum back.



People need to realise that when a character as big as Lex is killed off on the show (and is officially dead) they make a bigger deal about it. They have funeral scenes etc. The only deaths that were made "certain" in Season 8 were the deaths of Davis and Jimmy. Notice how those were the only 2 deaths hyped up all season

if Lex was really dead for good and they had NO INTENTIONS on ever bringing him back (should the show continue long enough to do so) wouldn't they have made a bigger deal about it?

Johnathan, Lionel, Jimmy, Davis, all deaths that were a "big deal" on the show. All hyped for weeks before it took place

they're not just going to blow up Lex Luthor of all people (a character they spent 7 years building up to be Superman's greatest nemesis) at the end of a random episode and call it a day

plus, I don't think DC Comics would allow that

[Spirited Away]

They did make a pretty big deal out of it. It causes the divide between Clark and Oliver, and the whole of Oliver's subplot post-Requiem was about redeeming himself. But it just made things worse, with Jimmy's death. Hence the crying at the funeral.

[Stay Puft]

They did make a pretty big deal out of it. It causes the divide between Clark and Oliver, and the whole of Oliver's subplot post-Requiem was about redeeming himself. But it just made things worse, with Jimmy's death. Hence the crying at the funeral.


no I mean promotion wise, they would have made a bigger deal out of it. Lex getting blown up came out of left field at the end of an average episode with no real importance to it. (i.e. 100th episode, season premier/finale) etc. It just happened, and as far as the characters in the show are concerned, yea, they "think" he's dead for the time being (my guess is it's the writers way of getting lex out of the way for the time being without having him "missing" for a couple of seasons). What I'm getting at is we would've known from interviews and whatever else that a death was coming at that point, the only deaths the producers said were finale were Davis and Jimmy. Not once did they mention 3 permanent deaths in Season 8

therefore, Lex is still alive

[Karma Dog]

It doesn't matter if he is dead or not, because WB has proved that if they want to bring someone back, they will do it no matter how ridiculous it is. If they can get Rossenbaum back, they'll say hey, we never said he was dead dead. If they can't they will say, hey he died, pay attention. The Jimmy thing cemented this show as a shark jumper. I was sooo disappointed by the end of this season. They just keep building up Clark into Supes then back tracking.

[Tornado]

People need to realise that when a character as big as Lex is killed off on the show (and is officially dead) they make a bigger deal about it. They have funeral scenes etc. The only deaths that were made "certain" in Season 8 were the deaths of Davis and Jimmy. Notice how those were the only 2 deaths hyped up all season

if Lex was really dead for good and they had NO INTENTIONS on ever bringing him back (should the show continue long enough to do so) wouldn't they have made a bigger deal about it?

Johnathan, Lionel, Jimmy, Davis, all deaths that were a "big deal" on the show. All hyped for weeks before it took place

they're not just going to blow up Lex Luthor of all people (a character they spent 7 years building up to be Superman's greatest nemesis) at the end of a random episode and call it a day

plus, I don't think DC Comics would allow that

I'm not sure why you quoted my post; I never once said I think Lex is permanently dead. I just don't want to see a "Lex's mind is in the body of some random guy" character.

[Tornado]

Apparently Louis Febre (the composer), according to his Twitter, is looking into the possibility of creating a soundtrack of sorts. Personally, I'd snatch it up in a second. I love the music on the show.

[Spirited Away]

WMG still have the rights to SV, so Febre's soundtrack compilation will most definitely get a release, if it gets made.

[Spirited Away]

Looks like we might have our "Mason":

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Apparently Joe Manganiello (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0542133/)'s meeting today with Brian Peterson and Kelly Souders went very well.

[lana123]

didnt lex come back at the end though? we did see a random bold guy stood outside and genral zod's symbol in the grass. had to be him, didn't it?

[Spirited Away]

No, in the original version of 'Doomsday', it was the real Zod, and played by Sam Witwer (sporting a goatee too).

But something happened (**cough** anal raping by DC Comics **cough**) and they cut all of Sam Witwer's shots out, and we only saw the guy's back.

So basically, that guy could be anyone: Zod, Lex or even this new guy (who, judging from the casting sides, seems to think he's Lex Luthor anyway). All we know is that person have Zod's symbol tattooed on his back.

[lana123]

im thinking that nex season were gunna find out when lex got blown up it was really zod (seriously confusing, i know) and so he didnt actually get blown up and was telling tess to do things using the orb in a vague attempt to try and see how strong clark wa sand if he would stand his ground with the whole being 'moral and just' thing. so that will mean there is gunna be another huge fight. yes i know, i read into things WAY to much...

[Tornado]

I think your first comment is only 'seriously confusing' because it doesn't make any sense, at all. ;)

[lana123]

thanks, and your right... i even confuse myself sometimes, as you can tell by my last message...

[lana123]

[QUOTE=Stay Puft;2604378]
People need to realise that when a character as big as Lex is killed off on the show (and is officially dead) they make a bigger deal about it. They have funeral scenes etc. The only deaths that were made "certain" in Season 8 were the deaths of Davis and Jimmy. Notice how those were the only 2 deaths hyped up all season

yeah but there was a real funeral for lex when they pretended he died in that plane crash, plus if he did have a funeral do you really think anyone would actually come?

[Tornado]

It’s that time of the year again folks – my rundown for what I personally would like to see out of Season 9. Call it a “dream season” if you want. I know I did this (twice) for Season 8, and I think I may have done it for Season 7 as well (although I don’t specifically remember in that case). Since it will probably be a few weeks until the concrete news about Season 9 starts pouring in, hopefully these plot summaries will help spark some debate in the meantime. Feel free to say they’re great, horrible, what you like about them, what you would change, or just create your own list and post them alongside mine. Or, ignore them completely. I enjoy doing these, so I won’t take it personally or anything if nobody replies. Because virtually none of my ideas from the last go-around were used in the actual show, some of these may seem familiar as I did just re-use some basic concepts. But as long as you don’t go back and re-read what I initially wrote, you probably won’t notice. Every season has really had a primary underlying theme. Seasons 1 and 2 really asked, “Who am I?” Season 3 was about secrets and memories, 4 about the future (football, Met U, graduation, etc.), 5 was about letting go (his father, Lana, college, etc.), 6 was about learning there are others like him (the Phantom Zone and Raya, the Justice League), 7 was about family, and 8 was about identities. My version of Season 9 will focus on, you guessed it, destiny.

With that out of the way, I’ll begin with the premiere in the next day or two (probably tonight). Taking into account the fact that the name of the premiere almost always coincides with the previous finale (Tempest – Vortex, Covenant – Crusade, Vessel – Zod, etc.), I tried to come up with something to fall in line with Doomsday and what we saw in the closing moments of the show. (Just a head’s up; this was done with the idea that Season 9 is the final season in mind. That may not necessarily be the way the producers go, but it’s the background for how I’ll be penning these summaries.)

[true fan11212]

Can't wait to see what ideas you have. Good luck!

[Tornado]

I'll probably have the premiere up tonight, but I'll just do a quick run-down of my 'series regulars' cast list for the season beforehand.

Tom Welling - CLARK KENT
Erica Durance - LOIS LANE (full-time this season, but she probably won't be in every episode)
Michael Rosenbaum - LEX LUTHOR (13-episode contract)
Allison Mack - CHLOE SULLIVAN
Michael McKean - PERRY WHITE (13-episode contract)
Cassidy Freeman - TESS MERCER (13-episode contract)
Sam Witwer - GENERAL ZOD (13-episode contract)
Katee Sackhoff - CAT GRANT (13-episode contract)
Justin Hartley - OLIVER QUEEN (13-episode contract)

As I post episodes, I'll include any guest stars and their characters. I'm going to be elaborate; if I'm going to do this, I'm going to do it right. ;)

[Spirited Away]

Season 9 premiere: Sept 25, 2009 @ 8/7c

The Vampire Diaries and Supernatural premiere on Sept 10, and as mentioned during the upfronts, SV will have extensive promotion during the Thursdays before the premiere.

I predict the SV mid-season finale will be Nov 27.

http://www.variety.com/article/VR1118005045.html?categoryid=14&cs=1

[Tornado]

That's about when I expected, but I'm surprised their other shows are debuting so early.

[Spirited Away]

At last year's TCA, the CW said they wanted their 2009-10 series to start launching in August, so it's actually a delay.

[Tornado]

I might edit this a bit tomorrow as I did hastily type it up tonight, but the core story is there.

901 RETURN
Guest stars: Adetokumboh M'Cormack (Rudo), Ryan Harder (Jimmy Olsen)

The episode kicks off with a lead-in from Season 8; Clark leaving Smallville/Metropolis, Lois disappearing, Lex’s death in Requiem, Jimmy’s death, etc. Then we see the first image of Season 9: FIVE YEARS LATER. That’s right, there’s a time jump. The story I want to tell with this season isn’t possible without it (and a huge budget to boot), as Clark has to mature to some extent in order to be able to finish the series with this season. Some of that will happen as the season goes, but some of it had to happen in ‘OffScreenVille’ too. Anyway, the title of the episode, Return, lends itself to more than just one. Clark has been traveling around the world, primarily searching for Lois, but he has also been learning more about himself in his helping of people around the globe. Clark is a changed man, noticeably more like the future Man of Steel we know and love. Unfortunately, he did not find Lois in his journeys, and has come to accept the notion she may have died. Lois is still an important part of his life, but he has regrettably allowed himself to move on to focus on the present.

About half of the episode will focus on a bearded Clark in Africa, helping his friend Rudo by teaching English at a rural schoolhouse in Kenya. Clark has a discussion with Rudo, who is aware of Clark’s abilities, about wanting to leave Kenya to return home to Metropolis. Rudo encourages him, stating Clark (in a nod to Superman: The Movie) was put here for a reason, and that it isn’t to teach English to kids in Kenya. Clark states he’ll give it some thought that night, and retires for the day. That night, he has troubles sleeping, and decides to make a speedy trip to Metropolis for the first time in five years. The city has been dominated by crime since the death of the Red-Blue-Blur and the return of… Lex Luthor.

Upon reading of Lex’s return, he immediately takes off for Smallville to have it out with Luthor. Lex is as surprised to see Clark as the Man of Steel is to see him. They exchange ugly words, Clark being furious that Lex has not only returned but has also managed to avoid prison time. Luthor says the body destroyed in the truck five years ago was an early clone, done to test the technology. The real Lex had been recovering in Black Creek that year and the next couple before being back to full health a few years ago. But with that, Lex tells him that Clark’s days of walking in unannounced are long over, and that he should leave before he calls security. Lex states his security detail is now armed with kryptonite bullets, and he himself is wearing a kryptonite ring on his finger. As Clark is staring him down, Luthor says that whatever he is today is Clark’s fault. Clark, having grown over the course of his travels, states, “No it’s not, Lex. I was a friend to you; your own paranoia and greed have turned you into who you are today. There is no hope for you, Lex.” Clark walks out; we see a visibly caught off guard Lex, but he turns and pours himself a glass of brandy.

Since the episode is being told from Clark’s point of view, we have no idea what anybody outside of Clark and those he interacts with are up to. The first 25 minutes or so comprise Clark’s time in Africa, his visit to Metropolis and his encounter with Lex, and ultimately his decision to leave Kenya and the school to return home. Upon returning to Kenya following his discussion with Lex, he speaks to Rudo and states Metropolis needs him more now than ever, and that not only does he need to go back, he wants to. They shake hands and wish each other luck, before Clark returns to his room to pack up. The last thing he packs is a picture of Lois. Forlornly, he says, “I’m sorry Lois.” He finishes and walks out onto the ledge to look at Mount Kilimanjaro off in the distance, likely for the final time. He super speeds off, back home.

Clark shows up to the Daily Planet the next day, shaved, and in a suit and tie. He speaks with the new Editor-in-Chief, Perry White, about getting his job back. White accepts, stating that Clark did a good job while he was here, but he owed Clark one anyway after saving his life some years ago (Season 3 to us). There are obviously many new staff members since Clark’s departure, those of importance including the new gossip columnist, Cat Grant (Sackhoff), and nerdy photographer, the real Jimmy Olsen (Harder). As seen in the films, Olsen looks up to Clark, and that is quickly established here as Jimmy claims his brother used to talk about Clark all the time. He immediately takes Clark’s coat and asks if he can get him a coffee, running off before Clark can answer. Clark sits down at his old desk and starts unpacking with a smile on his face until he looks across his desk to see an empty chair where Lois used to sit. A random woman sits down and smiles at Clark; he smiles back politely and goes back to unpacking.

Clark meets with Chloe after work; she practically jumps into his arms at the sight of him. We see Shelby right behind her; Clark happily kneels down to play with her for a minute before he walks in to the apartment above the Talon. He and Chloe spend the night catching up, Clark telling her of his adventures around the globe, Chloe telling him of what Oliver and the League (as she refers to it as) have been up to. She tells him that Victor (Cyborg) died about a year ago in a raid on one of Lex’s biomedical factories in Europe, and that the League has mostly fallen apart since then. Oliver has become a reclusive drunk as a result; she says he has gone into hiding, and has been out of contact for some time now. Chloe says she has stayed busy between the Isis Foundation and searching for Lois, but that she has missed him greatly. But she warns him that she isn’t the only one who had been searching for him.

The episode closes with a man in a parka walking across the frozen arctic. We see him remove his hood and move his snow goggles to the top of his face – it’s General Zod. He says, “I’ve found you, Kal-El.” We then pull back to reveal he is standing in front of the Fortress of Solitude.

[Tornado]

http://img208.imageshack.us/img208/1381/smse8dvd0003.jpg

Oh... yikes that is ugly.

[Tornado]

From K-Site:

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y202/theanomaly2/s8dvds.jpg

[Tolkien]

Okay... so I read that entire post going WTF? the whole time only to read another post above that one from you explaining some kind of "dream season". Please tell me that wasn't just your wet dream in post form? Because I actually read through that with glee thinking that it would be one hell of a new season coming up. I mean... you dirty... dirty... bastard!!!

[Tornado]

Ha, sorry. It's just how I would do Season 9. All I'm taking into account as I'm writing these are the previous eight seasons and any aspects of the Superman canon I deem useful. I'm working on the second episode at the moment; I hope to have the entire season done by the end of next week. I don't mean to toot my own horn, but I've been told several times in this thread that my ideas tend to be better than what we actually get. In that respect, I'm usually somewhat disappointed when the new seasons begin to air, but I remind myself that they would need a substantially larger budget to film the episodes as I imagine them.

[Tornado]

902 FREEZE
Guest stars: Terence Stamp (Jor-El), Ryan Harder (Jimmy Olsen), Alana De La Garza (Aethyr)

The episode starts where we left off, with Zod in the arctic walking into the Fortress. We see he is carrying with him a crystal of his own which, after looking around at the darkened and lifeless Fortress, he stabs into the center console. The Fortress immediately comes back to life as Zod looks at the other crystals in the console and pulls out a different one. We hear the booming voice of Jor-El as he starts asking who is in the fortress. Zod responds with his name, and begins threatening Jor-El, who claims that he has been dead for many years now, and that he’ll never bow down before him. Zod states he didn’t come to the fortress to kill him; he came to find out where Kal-El had gone to. Jor-El states he hasn’t spoken to him in several years, and that he thought he had died. Zod claims he knows Kal-El is out there, and when he finds him he will bring him back to the Fortress and kill him in front of his father. Before Jor-El can get a word out, Zod flies out the top of the Fortress. This isn’t just the cold opening; some of these elements and their discussion are seen throughout the episode. The final shots of Zod claiming he is going to kill Clark are the closing shots of the episode.

After the cold opening and the credits sequence, we cut to Clark and Aethyr (from Season 5’s Arrival, one of the Disciples of Zod) battling it out in a street fight in Metropolis. Aethyr states she escaped when Zod did and the two had been pursuing him together, but Zod told her to leave for unknown reasons approximately a week ago. Clark says he doesn’t care, because he’s going to send her back to the Phantom Zone. Because he’s fighting a fellow Kryptonian, he doesn’t feel the need to pull his punches as he does with humans. This is a new side of Clark; he’s not willing to let her escape her fate as the old Clark might have, he is sending her back now. After exchanging blows and throwing each other around for a minute or so, Aethyr pulls a Phantom Zone ring from her pocket and throws it at Clark. The Man of Steel catches it, and throws it behind Aethyr. She glances back, then turns back to see Clark using his super breath to blow her back through the portal.

But instead of sending her back, she is frozen in place. Clark has finally used one of his final hidden powers, freeze breath. She is quickly defrosting as her fists punch through the ice, but Clark shakes his head and tries again, this time using his super breath to blow her through the portal. It promptly closes and turns into the square disc we’re all familiar with before it floats away into the sky. He looks around and notices an icicle on the ground, which he picks up and examines. He looks around, sighs, smiles, and super speeds off to go back to work.

That night upon returning home, he finds the front door wide open and what sounds like crashing sounds in the kitchen. He walks in to find a drunk Oliver, with pots and pans all over the floor. Oliver seems disappointed to see his former friend, asking Clark where he went and why when the League needed him the most. Clark says that he was going to go see him; he’s just been busy what with coming home and all. Clark tries to take the liquor bottle from Oliver’s hand, but Oliver holds him back stating this is who he is now and he doesn’t want Clark’s help any more. “You turned your back on us, you let Lois disappear, you let Victor die. I used to look up to you, and then you abandoned us… here’s to you Boy Scout.” He tips his bottle toward a stoic and disappointed Clark. “I want to help you, Oliver.” Oliver tells him to just leave him alone, and stumbles past him on his way out the door.

There would be a hodgepodge of scenes filling the space between what I’ve written and the ending below: Clark speaking to Chloe about his new found power and Oliver’s state of mind, Clark speaking with Tess (she’s the CEO, Perry White is the Editor in Chief) at the Daily Planet for the first time since leaving five years ago, Clark honing his new power by making ice cubes and then later using it to put out a house fire in Metropolis while he’s on patrol, and a couple of random character scenes between Chloe and Oliver, Tess and Perry, Clark and Cat Grant, Clark, Chloe, and Jimmy, etc. From now on, I’m probably not going to write about these random scenes, you’ll just have to assume they happen. I’m just going to be focusing on whatever I deem important.

The episode would end with Oliver going back to the Kent farmhouse to ask for help from Clark and the ‘Zod wanting to kill Kal-El’ scene I mentioned above. Oliver says that after Clark left, everything started falling apart: the League members continued to work together, but they became more distant with each other, Lois disappeared at the same time, Dinah left him, and when Victor died he fell back into his alcoholic habits and things only got worse, etc. As the show’s hero overture plays in the background, Clark states that he’s back for good now and that he’s here to help.

[true fan11212]

Of the Two Episode treatments you written, I find 902 to be the strongest one but that's simply because the whole Clark in Africa thing reminds me of the Season Eight Season Premiere too much (I also tend to find narratives that start in the middle of the story more interesting). Other than that, both treatments are quite good.

[Tornado]

Good to hear. I didn't really take much direction from Odyssey though; I honestly didn't think of it until after I'd already written it. But yeah, I see what you mean.

My only concern with doing these is the fact they re-introduced Zod in the season finale. I initially thought I would give him 13 episodes throughout the season, but I don't see how that's really plausible without banishing him to the Phantom Zone or something similar halfway through the season. He's not like Davis/Doomsday where he can disappear for huge stretches of time or use his disguise or whatever. He's Zod, all the time. Ah well, I plan on introducing at least one popular DC villain sometime in the second half of the season (not Darkseid), but it would be nice to have a season-long villain other than Lex at my disposal. We'll see what happens, as I'm largely making this up as I go. I have an end game in mind, a few episodes here and there plotted out, a two-parter coming up pretty soon, and a big trilogy in the middle of the season, but that still leaves 7-8 episodes to fill.

Also, I should mention that while episodes 903 (probably tonight) and 904 (possibly tonight, we'll see if I have anything going on or not) will be done without much delay, I'm going to have to pause before episodes 905 and 906 as I have to do some research for them first. Those two will breach DC canon in which I'm not particularly knowledgeable about, unlike the show or Superman himself in general.

[Tornado]

Smallville Casting Exclusive: Brian Austin Green Is Metallo

Jun 17, 2009 09:38 PM ET
by Matt Mitovich

David Silver has traded rap for heavy metal.

Brian Austin Green has been cast on Smallville as the DC Comics villain Metallo, TVGuide.com has learned exclusively.

That's right — the Terminator alum is now playing a cyborg himself. Now that is pretty freakin' super, right?

Green will appear as the kryptonite-powered villain (alter ego "Daily Planet" journo John Corben) in at least the first two episodes of Season 9, which kicks off Friday, Sept. 25.

Interestingly, Smallville fans were waiting for news on big, bad Zod, given the events of the Season 8 finale, but that role still has yet to be cast. (I suppose you could say the show "zigged" instead of Zod?)

Green's Smallville gig comes on the heels of the Beverly Hills 90210 alum passing on the role of One Tree Hill sports agent Clayton. Prior to that, Green had been attached to the CW pilot Body Politic, but that series didn't get picked up for fall.

This past TV season, Green costarred on Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles, which was canceled after two seasons.

Whoa... definitely didn't see that coming.

[Darth Maul]

is it true sam witwer is playing zod? i heard rumors...

[carnage4u]

2 questions

1.)Do these episodes you write then make you upset, when the show does it own thing, that doesnt match anything you write

2.)Dont these belong in the fan fiction side of the show?

[Spirited Away]

EW.com reporting WB revisiting plans to launch a spin-off series.

[Tornado]

is it true sam witwer is playing zod? i heard rumors...

Unfortunately, no. Sam Witwer was offered the opportunity to come back to the show, but the capacity wasn't stated in what I read. I'm guessing they were leaning more toward flashbacks to Krypton than anything else, with Davis playing a young Zod or something.

2 questions

1.)Do these episodes you write then make you upset, when the show does it own thing, that doesnt match anything you write

2.)Dont these belong in the fan fiction side of the show?

1. Not really. I know my writing is far too ambitious for the show and its budget.

2. I'm not really sure what you mean. Are you saying I should be posting these in the fan fiction forum? These are directly related to the show, I think it's justified to put them in here. The way I see it is that since there is no Smallville forum, this thread encompasses any and everything that would be posted there. I would post these in a Smallville forum before a fan fiction forum.

[Tornado]

EW.com reporting WB revisiting plans to launch a spin-off series.

I don't see that happening. The show was moved into a Friday night death slot, and it premieres last of all the network's shows. A spin-off? That'd be great, but I'd be surprised to see that get green-lit. I don't know if any of the characters on the show are even strong enough for a spin-off. They could maybe try an Oliver Queen/Green Arrow spin-off, but I don't see that getting much further than 13 episodes or so.

[Tornado]

I don’t know how many people are reading these fantasy summaries, but I apologize to anybody who is for how long this took me. I did approximately 12 re-writes before I figured out what I wanted to do with the characters and the story. I had a really hard time breaking the story and writing something more interesting instead of how superheroes are typically introduced on the show (Aquaman being a great example of this) – show up, Lex hatches evil scheme, Clark and newcomer defeat him, happy ending, fin. Also, going this way will set up something I want to do later in the last episode before the winter break.

903 WONDER
Guest stars: Megan Gale (Diana Prince), Ryan Harder (Jimmy Olsen), Jill Teed (Detective Maggie Sawyer), Phil Morris (Detective John Jones/J’onn J’onzz), Dominic Zamprogna (Bruno Mannheim)

The episode starts with a bang as the door to an apartment in the slums is kicked in as the Metropolis Swat team swarms the room, clearing them as they go until they reach the corner bedroom. There are two armed gunmen inside; they pull their guns, but the Swat team manages to apprehend them without anybody being killed (shot in the shoulder, arm, whatever, doesn’t really matter). After the two gunmen are taken into custody, our favorite Martian John Jones and Detective Maggie Sawyer enter the apartment to start collecting evidence. Maggie says they got another call about a hostage situation across town, so they have to leave for the time being. But first, she says, “I know it’s your case John, but the FBI is sending one of their own to help out. Oh, here she is,” and she waves in a tall, brunette, glasses-wearing, Amazonian-looking woman, “John Jones, meet Diana Prince.”

After the intro credits end, we see Clark sitting at his desk doing research on some recent arrests made when his “crime indicator” pops up stating there is a hostage situation in progress across town. He pretends to yawn and stretch his arms out, then stands up and walks toward the phone booth in the side room; he quickly changes into the Red-Blue-Blur costume and speeds out toward the crime in progress. When he gets there, he quickly assesses the situation and breaks in through the back door. He super speeds to the room the hostages are being held; one of the gunmen takes a shot at Clark, but it doesn’t even phase him as it ricochets off his chest. The gunmen looks on in astonishment, then says, “Look at the tough guy! Let’s see if she can do that too,” and he turns his gun to fire on the woman kneeling next to him. Clark races over and catches the bullet, then throws the guy into the wall before he turns and uses his heat vision to heat the gun of the other gunman who drops it and falls to his knees in pain.

Just as Clark is untying the last hostage, Diana shows up with her gun drawn on Clark. “Drop your weapon!” Clark looks at her in confusion, as one of the hostages chimes in with, “It wasn’t him! He’s a superhero! He caught a bullet and threw a guy through the air!” Clark looks a little nervous as Diana tells him to turn around and interlock his fingers on his head; he turns around and begins to do so. Diana reaches for her handcuffs; Clark super speeds away in the half-second it took for Diana to look down and grab them. Just then, Jones and Sawyer walk in; Sawyer says, “You freed the hostages by yourself, Prince? Nice work.” Diana replies, “It wasn’t me, apparently it was a… superhero.” John tries to hide it, but he looks a little flustered. Diana sees this moment in his face.

Clark is visibly nervous as he returns to the Planet, even getting an, “Are you alright, Mr. Kent?” from Jimmy. Shortly after, John Jones shows up to talk to Clark, asking him if it was him who ended the hostage situation. Before Clark can answer, Diana walks down the stairs. She says, “I thought you may have known him, Detective,” and then, “What’s your name?” as she turns to Clark. After telling her, she asks to speak with Clark in private in the side room. He asks if he’s under arrest, she says no and that she just wants to know who he is. Clark is very hesitant to say anything, but then Diana decides to out herself in order to gain his trust. She super speeds around the room and lifts up a book shelf with one hand as Clark looks on in amazement; there is a look of longing in his eye, the first we’ve seen of the season. Clark asks, “Who are you?” as Diana gives a quick rundown of her origins.

Clark explains to her who he is in ‘OffScreenVille’. Now that the two are on the same page, Diana tells Clark the real reason she is in town – the FBI suspected the two gunmen at the beginning of the episode of being members of the infamous Intergang, a crime syndicate the FBI hasn’t been able to build a solid case against despite years of trying. This was the first real lead they’ve ever had against the organization. Diana asks Clark for help in tracking them down and bringing them to justice, once and for all. Clark, of course, obliges. Clark decides to bring Oliver in to help; he figures he and Diana would be able to handle anything thrown their way, so easing Oliver back into the game here would be a good start.

Intercut with the Clark/Diana scenes, we’ll see scenes with Lex, Bruno Mannheim and some random henchmen working out of the back of the Ace of Clubs discussing things like the Anti-Life equation, bringing him here through a boom tube, Apokolips, the New Gods, and etc. There are all kinds of drawings and plans sprawled out on the table in front of them. These conversations are obviously going to lead to something much bigger later on in the season (as I said before, likely the final episode before the winter break unless I move some things around). Diana recovered an Ace of Clubs key card from the pockets of one of the gunmen earlier on; they decide to start there in their search. When they arrive, the henchmen pull their guns out but Lex tells them to hold their fire. He asks Diana what they hope to achieve by coming here, as there isn’t actually any solid evidence to convict them of any crimes right now. Clark says they’re just here to talk, stating that they need to stop whatever they’re planning right now. Lex tells them to get out, unless Diana is going to place them under arrest.

Clark takes a step toward him, but Lex holds up his hand and flashes his kryptonite ring at him, making Clark quickly back off. Diana steps up saying, “That doesn’t work on me,” but Clark puts his hand on her shoulder as if to say, “We should go.” Diana glances back at him, then turns back to Lex and says, “We’re not finished here.” Lex states, “Yes we are.” A still somewhat out of it Oliver throws a punch at one of the henchmen, who easily blocks it and knocks him to the ground. The other henchmen, who don’t know who Clark and Diana are, attempt to attack the two of them. Clark throws the first henchmen into the wall, but one of the others pulls his gun on Diana and takes a few shots. Diana deflects them with her now visible gauntlets (she had been wearing a long sleeve shirt, the sleeves rolled up when she raised her arms), pulls out the lasso of truth (which she had hidden similar to the way criminals hide guns in the back of their pants) and wrangles the gunman forward and clocks him in the face. In the ensuing chaos, Lex and Bruno managed to escape. Clark makes a move to go after them, but Diana stops him stating, “No, we don’t have anything concrete on them. Arrest them now and they’ll be back on the street in an hour anyway.”

In the final scene between Clark and Diana, she tells she is heading back to Washington for the time being. She knows there is a case here, but her superiors feel like the gunmen were a pair of dead ends, and that there isn’t anything more to it. She suspects Lex may have bought them off, but says she’ll be back at the first sign of trouble. In the meantime, she says, she thinks Clark might want to start thinking about wearing a disguise in his day to day life. Since he refuses to wear a mask, it’s only a matter of time before people begin to identify him on the streets. Throughout the course of the episode, I really want to establish the idea that Diana is probably the perfect companion for Clark as they really are near mirror images of one another. Doing it this way will make it more meaningful when Clark turns her down at the end of the episode as he is still searching for Lois in his free time. Diana doesn’t take it personally, and they part on good terms. She tells him she is sure they’ll meet again.

In the final scene of the episode, we see Clark from behind walking into the Daily Planet the next morning. He bumps into a desk on his way to his own, and accidentally walks into a co-worker, knocking her folders onto the floor. He helps her pick them up and continues on his way to his desk. He sits down and the camera slowly pans around him to reveal a big grin on his face, and glasses resting on his nose.

[Spirited Away]

I don't see that happening. The show was moved into a Friday night death slot, and it premieres last of all the network's shows. A spin-off? That'd be great, but I'd be surprised to see that get green-lit. I don't know if any of the characters on the show are even strong enough for a spin-off. They could maybe try an Oliver Queen/Green Arrow spin-off, but I don't see that getting much further than 13 episodes or so.
Dawn Ostroff said quite bluntly she wants a Season 10, and if the show pulls in around 2 million viewers, it'll do fine (I highly doubt it'll get less than 3 million.) And as mentioned many times before, with a 10th season, SV officially becomes the longest running "sci-fi" series in US history, and doubles its worth in syndication.

WB clearly see $$$ in that, and Smallville is pretty much WB's equivalent to Stargate. I say the spin-off will happen, and will be paired up with SV next season (2010-11).

[Spirited Away]

http://www.tvguide.com/News/MegaMinute-Smallville-Metallo-1007123.aspx

Spoilers for Metallo:
- Metallo will be exactly as the producers "originally envisioned".
- John Corben will be introduced as Clark's replacement at the Daily Planet.

[RingWraith2k4]

http://www.tvguide.com/News/MegaMinute-Smallville-Metallo-1007123.aspx

Spoilers for Metallo:
- Metallo will be exactly as the producers "originally envisioned".
- John Corben will be introduced as Clark's replacement at the Daily Planet.

I like the casting. Looking forward to another season.

[Spirited Away]

IMO, I don't think we'll see John Corben introduced on-screen as a copy boy, but that it'll be mentioned off-screen that he joined the Daily Planet after CK and Lois went missing. That way, we can have a time jump of 3-5 years. Plus BAG isn't exactly young looking and plausible as a copy boy, so him being a fully fledged reporter in the premiere makes more sense...

[Tornado]

And as mentioned many times before, with a 10th season, SV officially becomes the longest running "sci-fi" series in US history, and doubles its worth in syndication.

WB clearly see $$$ in that, and Smallville is pretty much WB's equivalent to Stargate. I say the spin-off will happen, and will be paired up with SV next season (2010-11).

Technically, isn't Stargate SG-1 an American/Canadian joint effort? So, with an 11th season, SV would become the longest running "sci-fi" series in US history.

I still have to wonder why Tom signed on for a 9th/10th seasons. It's somewhat clear he wants little to do with the show; he hasn't done an interview since like, Season 5 or so. You can say he's a private guy, sure. But it's certainly not because he's "too busy" or whatever some folks like to say; Kiefer Sutherland (24) and Matthew Fox (Lost) are giving interviews constantly about their respective shows. Foxy probably isn't as busy as Tom is, as Lost doesn't really focus on one character like Smallville or 24 do. But Kiefer, being an exec producer, is probably just as busy as Tom if not more.

Honestly, I have to wonder if Tom signed on because he realized the production hinged on his signing, and he didn't want to be the one responsible for putting the cast and crew out of work.

[Spirited Away]

Not sure why SG-1 would be classed as an American/Canadian joint effort, it's no different behind the scenes to Smallville, Supernatural, Battlestar Galactica/Caprica, or Fringe. And with Season 10, SV's episode count would reach 218, which is 4 more than SG-1's 114 episodes.

As for Welling only signing on out of guilt, not very likely, given how big "Smallville Studios" is. WB and Tollin/Robbins would just start up another series (or multiple ones) that sets shop there, and the vast majority of the crew would continue working on that, regardless of whether it's a spin-off or not.

It's like when The OC ended, most of the crew were automatically moved over to Chuck.

[Tornado]

Not sure why SG-1 would be classed as an American/Canadian joint effort, it's no different behind the scenes to Smallville, Supernatural, Battlestar Galactica/Caprica, or Fringe. And with Season 10, SV's episode count would reach 218, which is 4 more than SG-1's 114 episodes.

I assumed you mentioned "Stargate" and "American show" in the same context because you were implying Stargate was a Canadian show. I wasn't aware of the episode counts.

[Tornado]

Callum Blue cast as GENERAL ZOD

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y202/theanomaly2/callum_blue_1751233.jpg

Eh. For some reason I've always pictured General Zod as a British-type figure (part of it being Terence Stamp's portrayal in Superman: The Movie and Superman II, obviously), so I'm glad they did that. He looks... unimposing though, it'll be interesting to see where the character goes. I'm really interested to see who this "Mason" is supposed to be now, as he obviously isn't Zod and I doubt he was Metallo.

[Spirited Away]

Callum Blue was really good in Secret Diary of a Call Girl, so another great blag for the show.

[Tornado]

All I've seen him in is Young People ****ing. He was pretty good in it, but it's hard to compare the two roles. Callum very much played the description of Mason in that film (hey....) whereas the Zod we know really isn't anything like that.

[Tornado]

My only concern is, how are they going to stretch Zod's story throughout the season? I wonder if they'll battle in the middle of the season and Clark will send him to the Phantom Zone or something (or maybe Zod will send Clark there, whatever). He'll show up later on and they'll fight again in the finale (or the episode before that, if Season 9 is the last year). I just hope they don't have Zod come in under a secret identity (similar to Davis/Doomsday); that's not Zod at all.

[Spirited Away]

Frak me!!!

http://www.aintitcool.com/node/41525

Please be true! Please be true!

[Tornado]

Holy ****! Oh God, this better be true!

[Neverending]

That sounds cool. I think season 9 should be the last and then try some TV movies for a while.

[Tornado]

I think Season 9 should probably be it too, but I'm sure I'll say otherwise if the season starts up and is on par with the first half of Season 8.

[FVD]

Brian Austin Green as John Corben/Metallo eh. Should be interesting. I'm just glad he's finally coming into the show. And that Callum Blue character being Zod. He don't look to bad actually.

As for this movie idea that too should be interesting.

[unity768]

I'm not sure what to think of the movie idea. I'll see how season nine goes. Something tells me it'll be inconsistent like season eight was..or like the last couple seasons..but I hope I'm wrong. Ah, anything with Superman gets me pumped.

[Tornado]

Season 9 starts filming on July 6th; the director of the premiere is likely going to be Kevin Fair (Siren, Odyssey, Turbulence, etc.). He's probably my favorite director currently with the show.

It's not a big deal, but with the start date so close we'll probably getting information about the first few episodes before too long.

[Tornado]

According to K-Site, the premiere is apparently titled SAVIOR.

I like it. We don't know anything about the plot outside of Metallo, but 'savior' is a word I had always hoped would be a title at some point.

[Tornado]

[cough] Triple post! [cough]

According to K-Site, the title of 902 is METALLO.

[Neverending]

[cough] Triple post! [cough]

According to K-Site, the title of 902 is METALLO.

That was...quick.

[RingWraith2k4]

Why do I have the feeling that we won't see Clark fly until the last scene of the finale of Season 9?!?! I swear, Clark should've been flying since season 3 or 4.

And couldn't they come up with a better nickname than the "Red/Blue Blur"?!?

Anyhoo, I'm looking forward to another season of season of Smallville, and with the addition of Brian Austin Green should be great as I really liked him in the Sarah Connor Chronicles series.

[Tornado]

Why do I have the feeling that we won't see Clark fly until the last scene of the finale of Season 9?!?! I swear, Clark should've been flying since season 3 or 4.

And couldn't they come up with a better nickname than the "Red/Blue Blur"?!?

Anyhoo, I'm looking forward to another season of season of Smallville, and with the addition of Brian Austin Green should be great as I really liked him in the Sarah Connor Chronicles series.

I don't see how Clark can't fly in Season 9 ('course, I've been saying that since Season 5, and I'm always proven wrong by the finale), but I don't think it'll be in the finale. If they set up the season the same way they did Season 8, maybe he'll fly in the closing moments of the last episode before the mid-season break.

I prefer The Good Samaritan as Clark's superhero nickname, but they haven't really used that since 'Jimmy' snapped his picture in Identity. They can't call him Superman until he dons the tights, but I'd be fine with the media referring to him as "The Man of Steel" or "The Man of Tomorrow" or whatever.

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Also, according to K-Site, Joe Manganiello will not be playing Mason. He stated that, "the producers were looking for something a little different than me." Between that confirmation and the fact that Callum Blue (Zod) has played a character named Mason before (who definitely fit the CW's description)... maybe Zod actually was Mason.

I sincerely hope Zod doesn't turn out to be a womanizing playboy though, as the description stated. That's really not at all in line with the way I've seen the character depicted.

[RingWraith2k4]

I don't see how Clark can't fly in Season 9 ('course, I've been saying that since Season 5, and I'm always proven wrong by the finale), but I don't think it'll be in the finale. If they set up the season the same way they did Season 8, maybe he'll fly in the closing moments of the last episode before the mid-season break.

I prefer The Good Samaritan as Clark's superhero nickname, but they haven't really used that since 'Jimmy' snapped his picture in Identity. They can't call him Superman until he dons the tights, but I'd be fine with the media referring to him as "The Man of Steel" or "The Man of Tomorrow" or whatever.

I really hope you're right. If it was up to me, I would want Clark flying in the season 9 premiere. That way, the fans of Smallville will be excited for the rest of the season. For the longest time, I predicted that Clark will don the tights and finally be called "Superman" on the last episode/finale. So far I think that will still happen, assuming that Season 9 is the last season.

Also, I really like your suggestions as far as the nickname goes. They are WAY better than "The Red/Blue Blur". Ugh!

[Tornado]

I'm kind of curious to see how flight comes up. We know Clark is physically capable of the power right now, as we've seen him float as far back as the second episode of the series (Metamorphosis), fly as Kal-El, and really push the boundaries of applicable physics in his super-jumps and falls. There have been plenty of opportunities for Clark to have flown in the last couple of seasons, but they always opt out of it. Frankly, I was extremely disappointed he didn't fly in Turbulence last season to save Tess from the exploding plane. At the beginning of Season 8, the show-runners basically flat-out said they would be breaking one of their two rules with the new season - no flights, no tights. Yeah, well, they didn't break either of those.

I just don't see Clark finally flying to fight Zod in the skies or something like that; I think his maiden voyage will be to save someone/prevent some kind of disaster/etc. And... I mean, let's be honest, they've had plenty of time to do something like that if they really wanted to. I could count at least... I don't know, probably five or six instances within Season 8 alone in which they could have introduced flight without changing much of the dynamic of the episodes: Turbulence as I stated above, Hex quite easily could have had his first flight instead of Chloe's epic line followed by a super jump (although, in the show's defense, that might have been his biggest jump yet; hard to say how tall the Planet really is and how high up the missile was when Clark latched on in Hidden), Doomsday during the fight with the beast (replace the super jump with flight, pretty straight forward), etc.

My bet is that his first flight will probably be something similar to the Lois/helicopter save in Superman: The Movie.

[Neverending]

I'd be fine with the media referring to him as "The Man of Steel"

They can't call him that till a bullet bounces off of him.


My bet is that his first flight will probably be something similar to the Lois/helicopter save in Superman: The Movie.

I've been saying that since Lois was introduced in season 4.

[Spirited Away]

They can't call him that till a bullet bounces off of him.
That's happened plenty of times though, most recently in Infamous.

[Tornado]

And besides, he's already been called the Man of Steel. The nickname just didn't stick.

[Spirited Away]

New spoiler/hint courtesy of WB's publicist:

Clark's been training.

http://twitter.com/Chico6/status/2417225835

[Tornado]

Nice.

[Tornado]

From TV Guide:

I am super-excited (pun intended) about Brian Austin Green appearing on Smallville! Is there is any chance he will be on for more than two episodes? — Gabriela
MATT: At this juncture, BAG has been tagged for only the first two episodes of Season 9. But your query allows me to share this scooplet about Metallo's small-screen origin tale: The producers tell me that soon after mild-mannered John Corben begins his "Daily Planet" gig, "his fate takes a horrific twist that will change his destiny forever." Hmm, would that be Prof. Emmett Vale's cue?

Neat-o.

[Tornado]

In Ausiello's latest column, he confirmed that Zod was in fact Mason.

So... we're going to have the fewest number of season regulars we've ever had this year: Clark, Chloe, Lois, Tess, Oliver, and Zod. I hope they either add a new cast member before the season kicks off or have lots of guest stars or something, although with filming of the premiere just days away the former seems unlikely.

[ViRUs]

Wow, so season 7 of Smallville was brought to you by Stride gum I see. They pretty much did all but have a little commercial in the show. I dont know if anyone remembers, but when Clark was in Lex's mind in Fracture there was this random shelf of Stride gum that flashed in there, lol. I'm sorry, I just had to come in here and comment on that.

Also, when is season 8 going to be on DVD/Blu ray?

[Tornado]

August 25th

[ViRUs]

Cool, thanks Tornado

[Tornado]

Some new spoilers:

UPDATED 7/4/09: Dr. Emil Hamilton appears and shares a scene with Chloe.
- Lois returns from wherever she disappeared to in "Doomsday."
- Clark takes on a new approach to fighting crime in Metropolis.

It sounds like it's going to be a busy premiere.

[Neverending]

Some new spoilers:

UPDATED 7/4/09: Dr. Emil Hamilton appears and shares a scene with Chloe.
- Lois returns from wherever she disappeared to in "Doomsday."
- Clark takes on a new approach to fighting crime in Metropolis.

It sounds like it's going to be a busy premiere.

On paper ;)

[Tornado]

New spoilers concerning a prominent 'ship this season:

Lorraine in the United Kingdom: Any chance of some Chloe-Oliver action on Smallville next season? I just love those two characters!

Sorry, no Chloe-Oliver gettin' together on Smallville this season, but they will continue to be awesome separately. We're hearing the big romance arc this season is Lois and Clark.

EXCELLENT NEWS!

[Tornado]

Two new bits of news, the second being particularly huge:

Question: I'll give you a dollar if you have any scoop on the rumor circulating that after Season 9 of Smallville there may be a spin-off called Metropolis. --Tan
Ausiello: My peeps at Warner Bros. are still insisting that (some drunk fan probably made that up) nothing like that is being discussed at the moment. Now for the awkward part: I'd like my dollar. I accept cash or Diners Club.

Ah well, I figured it was probably too awesome to be true anyway.

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Question: I'm looking for a major Smallville scoop. --Corina
Ausiello: You found it: The iconic "S" symbol will be all over the show in season 9. Including on Clark's chest.

I'm trying the best I can to not get too excited, as I know the show has a way of dashing my hopes to some extent, but I'm having a really hard time with this one! :D

[Tornado]

Allison and Callum Blue are going to be at Comic-Con now too (along with the Souders/Peterson, Erica, Justin, and Cassidy) according to K-Site. I know Tom prefers to stay out of the spotlight, but it doesn't look too good if both the creative force behind the show and, aside from Welling, the entire core cast is going to be there.

That being said, I'd still kill to be there. I hope the interviews and clips leak on YouTube shortly after the panel ends.

[Tornado]

New spoilers from TV Guide:

Smallville's Zod Complex
by Rich Sands July 21, 2009 02:27 PM EST

A major Smallville announcement is expected to come down at Comic-Con International this weekend in San Diego. Until then, here’s some scoop on the veteran series, which begins its ninth season on a new night—Fridays at 8pm—on September 25. Following the death of Jimmy Olsen at the hands of Doomsday in May’s season finale, Clark Kent (Tom Welling) is getting a little obsessed as the Red Blue Blur, his budding crime-fighting alias. “He is trying a little too hard to be a hero, and is leaving the rest of his life behind,” says executive producer Brian Peterson.

That might be just as well given the big comic-book-inspired villains the soon-to-be Superman will face this year. New Daily Planet reporter John Corben is transformed into the sociopath with a kryptonite-heart known as Metallo in a two-episode arc for Sarah Connor Chronicles refugee Brian Austin Green. “We know that there’s multiple versions of Metallo,” executive producer Kelly Souders says. “We picked one of the different versions and I think people will realize which one after the first episode.”

This season’s main villain is Zod, the Kryptonian nemesis of Clark’s biological father, who has made previous appearance on the series. “We had a little peek at who Zod was a couple of seasons ago, which fans will remember. But this a different incarnation of Zod,” Peterson says of the new series regular, played by British actor Callum Blue (The Tudors). “We’re introducing him as Major Zod—this is before he became General Zod.” Adds Souders: “Over the course of the season, the venomous side of Zod rises because he experiences a few key betrayals with our beloved characters.”

The first two bits are interesting, but... the third is... very, very questionable. My excitement for Season 9 just tanked a bit.

[Spirited Away]

I think Erica Durance's husband ("pattylaurie" over at IMDB) accidentally let slip something he wasn't meant to:

Tom Welling will be at Comic Con this year.

[Tornado]

I'm not going to tag that in my reply, unless you reply back asking me to edit it or something.

That's pretty awesome if true. I have to wonder, after several years of virtual silence from him outside of the show itself, what is making Tom step out of hiding to go to Comic Con? I have to wonder if they're going to announce something big: flight, the tights, the rumored movie from last month, etc.

[Alien]

New spoilers from TV Guide:

Smallville's Zod Complex
by Rich Sands July 21, 2009 02:27 PM EST

A major Smallville announcement is expected to come down at Comic-Con International this weekend in San Diego. Until then, here’s some scoop on the veteran series, which begins its ninth season on a new night—Fridays at 8pm—on September 25. Following the death of Jimmy Olsen at the hands of Doomsday in May’s season finale, Clark Kent (Tom Welling) is getting a little obsessed as the Red Blue Blur, his budding crime-fighting alias. “He is trying a little too hard to be a hero, and is leaving the rest of his life behind,” says executive producer Brian Peterson.

That might be just as well given the big comic-book-inspired villains the soon-to-be Superman will face this year. New Daily Planet reporter John Corben is transformed into the sociopath with a kryptonite-heart known as Metallo in a two-episode arc for Sarah Connor Chronicles refugee Brian Austin Green. “We know that there’s multiple versions of Metallo,” executive producer Kelly Souders says. “We picked one of the different versions and I think people will realize which one after the first episode.”

This season’s main villain is Zod, the Kryptonian nemesis of Clark’s biological father, who has made previous appearance on the series. “We had a little peek at who Zod was a couple of seasons ago, which fans will remember. But this a different incarnation of Zod,” Peterson says of the new series regular, played by British actor Callum Blue (The Tudors). “We’re introducing him as Major Zod—this is before he became General Zod.” Adds Souders: “Over the course of the season, the venomous side of Zod rises because he experiences a few key betrayals with our beloved characters.”

The first two bits are interesting, but... the third is... very, very questionable. My excitement for Season 9 just tanked a bit.
Major Zod? :confused: I'm not sure how to talk about that without Spoiler tags at all so I'm just gonna go for it.
Wasn't he a General when Krypton when Ka-Pow? So is this some sort of time travling Zod from the past? That's a bit weird I don't like it so much.

Sounds like it'll be easy to say Clark is going to Red Blue Blur full time and maybe somehow pull off the Superman thing sooner or later.

[Tornado]

Yeah, spoilers:

The 'Major' angle doesn't really bother me so much as the notion that it's the characters on the show who will ultimately push Zod toward becoming more evil as the season progresses.

Ridiculous.

[Spirited Away]

The fact DC Comics are happy enough for the writers to change an A-list villain so extensively is interesting.

[Alien]

Yeah, spoilers:

The 'Major' angle doesn't really bother me so much as the notion that it's the characters on the show who will ultimately push Zod toward becoming more evil as the season progresses.

Ridiculous.
It's Doomsday all over again. And Lex for that matter.

[Tornado]

Ad for the Season 8 DVD:

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y202/theanomaly2/s8dvdad.jpg

I never noticed how much the Doomsday costume/make-up looks human. I know it's a guy in there obviously, but I never really got that impression while watching the show.

[Neverending]

Ridiculous.

Indeed.

[true fan11212]

New spoilers from TV Guide:

Smallville's Zod Complex
by Rich Sands July 21, 2009 02:27 PM EST

A major Smallville announcement is expected to come down at Comic-Con International this weekend in San Diego. Until then, here’s some scoop on the veteran series, which begins its ninth season on a new night—Fridays at 8pm—on September 25. Following the death of Jimmy Olsen at the hands of Doomsday in May’s season finale, Clark Kent (Tom Welling) is getting a little obsessed as the Red Blue Blur, his budding crime-fighting alias. “He is trying a little too hard to be a hero, and is leaving the rest of his life behind,” says executive producer Brian Peterson.

That might be just as well given the big comic-book-inspired villains the soon-to-be Superman will face this year. New Daily Planet reporter John Corben is transformed into the sociopath with a kryptonite-heart known as Metallo in a two-episode arc for Sarah Connor Chronicles refugee Brian Austin Green. “We know that there’s multiple versions of Metallo,” executive producer Kelly Souders says. “We picked one of the different versions and I think people will realize which one after the first episode.”

This season’s main villain is Zod, the Kryptonian nemesis of Clark’s biological father, who has made previous appearance on the series. “We had a little peek at who Zod was a couple of seasons ago, which fans will remember. But this a different incarnation of Zod,” Peterson says of the new series regular, played by British actor Callum Blue (The Tudors). “We’re introducing him as Major Zod—this is before he became General Zod.” Adds Souders: “Over the course of the season, the venomous side of Zod rises because he experiences a few key betrayals with our beloved characters.”

The first two bits are interesting, but... the third is... very, very questionable. My excitement for Season 9 just tanked a bit.

So I guess there's no chance of Darkseid appearing this season, is there?

[Tornado]

The third episode's title is Rabid.

Sounds... interesting I guess, but Comic-Con can't come soon enough. I'm anxious for something substantial.

[Spirited Away]

My money's on Proto-suit.

[Neverending]

Word from Comic-Con is that on Sunday they will show the Superman suit they made for Metropolis, the "supposed" TV movie.

[Tornado]

Pretty major spoilers from AICN:

http://aintitcool.com/node/41794

Pretty crazy stuff. I don't particularly agree with some of it, but I'll reserve judgment until I see it for myself. I'm guessing images will leak from the panel on Sunday.

I will say that I'm surprised we're going to see some kind of proto-suit, especially one without a cape, before the iconic duds. Pretty disappointed about that.

[true fan11212]

The update is a little inaccurate but here it is, anyway.

http://www.aintitcool.com/node/41794

I don't know what to believe at this point.

[Alien]

Shouldn't the suit have a cape and no tights, then they could laugh the suit off saying, "Still no tights no flights!"

I guess that means he couldn't fly either though.

[Spirited Away]

IIRC the cape was CGI'd onto the RBB fake-costume in Season 8. Maybe that's the case here?

[Tornado]

That's a really good point.

At the same time, I think I'd be OK with no cape for this first proto-suit. He's not flying, so I guess I don't really see a point in the cape. After all, how many non-flying/gliding superheroes have capes? I do think it'd be interesting if he and Oliver updated the costume 3 or 4 times throughout the season to really illustrate the point that it's just a prototype. Maybe by the end of the season (assuming it's the series finale), they could bust out the real Superman suit.

I do think it's odd that after claiming he didn't want any part of the suit, Welling seems to have changed his mind without much effort (that we know about). Maybe that new contract was more lucrative than I thought it was.

[Tornado]

http://ausiellofiles.ew.com/2009/07/tom-welling-makes-comiccon-debut.html

Ausiello confirmed what we already knew: Welling is indeed going to Comic-Con. Can't wait to see the video when it leaks.

[Spirited Away]

1) OMFG! http://www.comicbookmovie.com/comic-con/news/?a=8750

2) Tom Welling is officially "co-executive producer" of the show - http://thewb.com/blog/blog/tom-welling-of-smallville-attends-comic-con-for-the-first-time/

[Tornado]

1. That's... that's actually not bad for a first proto-suit. Would have liked some yellow around the shield, but that's pretty nifty.

2. Totally called that last year. Thank ya!

[Tornado]

It's a fake:

http://forums.superherohype.com/showpost.php?p=17231501&postcount=146

Ah well. I had actually warmed up to it, too bad.

------------

And on top of that:

http://robot6.comicbookresources.com/2009/07/sdcc-09-tom-welling-to-appear-on-panel-but-whats-this-about-a-suit/

SDCC '09 | Tom Welling to appear on panel (but what’s this about a suit?)
Posted on July 24, 2009 - 03:48 PM by Kevin Melrose

Smallville star Tom Welling will make his first-ever appearance at Comic-Con, fanning rumors that the actor will debut a new, cape-less Superman costume at the show’s Sunday panel.

According to EW.com’s Michael Ausiello, this will be the first time the entire cast has assembled for the convention.

The news adds a new wrinkle to online rumors that Warner Bros. representatives have been randomly selecting Comic-Con attendees to view a redesigned Superman costume destined to debut in the Season 9 premiere.

However, a source close to the series told Robot 6 that they knew nothing about a suit being shown.

AICN reported speculation in June that The CW is planning a Smallville television movie for Christmas 2010 titled Metropolis, which also might explain Welling’s appearance on the panel.

The Smallville panel will be at 10:30 a.m. Sunday.

Bummer.

[bbf2]

“We’re introducing him as Major Zod—this is before he became General Zod.” Adds Souders: “Over the course of the season, the venomous side of Zod rises because he experiences a few key betrayals with our beloved characters.”

This does not make ANY sense. First of all, I'm pretty sure he's already been referred to as "General Zod." Second of all, WE'VE ALREADY BEEN INTRODUCED TO HIM - he was in Lex's body, and he was already trying to take over/destroy the world, he didn't need any coercing to be evil, he already was. Not to mention all the stuff he was mentioned as having done on Krypton. Third of all, why would Zod be corrupted because some characters did bad stuff to him? Zod considers himself above all humans, why would he be affected by stupid human drama and relationships?

[Spirited Away]

You forget two things:

1) Lois travelling in time may have screwed things up.

2) Zod came out of the Kandor Orb. For all we know, Kandor might be in a 1989 timelock, and so Major Zod hasn't become General yet.

[Tornado]

From Ausiello:

'Smallville' season 9 spoilers: 'It's Clark's darkest hour'
Jul 25, 2009, 01:04 PM | by Michael Ausiello

You never know who you're going to randomly bump into here at Comic-Con. Take last night. I'm innocently munching on a spicy tuna roll at Warner Bros' Asian-themed cocktail reception and who should wander over to say hello but Smallville exec producer Brian Peterson. Good times, right? It gets better. The dude, who's in town for the show's historic Con panel on Sunday, talked my ear off about his blockbuster plans for season 9 and beyond. What follows after the jump are some of the highlights…

* Season 9's theme is "Clark's darkest hour."

* Look for a season-long love triangle with Clark, Lois, and Red-Blue Blur.

* Chloe, still grieving over Jimmy's death, will immerse herself in all things Watchtowerish. Peterson also hinted at some tension for Chlark when she realizes she's no longer content just being his sidekick.

* We'll find out why Clark isn't flying in a scene with him and Jor-El (the returning Terence Stamp) in the season premiere.

* Footage of Brian Austin Green as Metallo will be unveiled at tomorrow's Con panel. As of now, he's on board for two episodes, but Peterson says they're hopeful he'll do more.

* The episode they're currently shooting (either 9.02 or 9.03) focuses on Oliver's downward spiral.

* Battlestar Galactica's Alessandro Juliani will reprise his role as Dr. Emil Hamilton for several episodes this season.

* Story-wise, Peterson is not approaching this season as Smallville's last.

* I saved the best for last: Peterson recently had dinner with Michael Rosenbaum. Interpret as you like.

Lots of interesting tidbits in there.

[Spirited Away]

I think we all knew Season 10 was going to happen. I mean, worse-comes-to-worse, if SV's Friday night ratings blow, they'll move the show back to Thursdays.

[Tornado]

The Comic-Con panel starts in less than an hour! I'm hoping what happened last year will happen again this year; footage of both the panel and the Season 8 clips leaked shortly after the panel ended.

[Spirited Away]

EDIT: I'll wait until the presentation ends before posting stuff :D

[Tornado]

Complete rundown of the panel for people who missed the live "update" feed:

10:40
Introducing an "exclusive, made for Comic-Con sneak peek" of season nine footage.

10:41
Superman "S" logo kicks off the footage.

10:42
Clark Kent talking to Chloe about having two separate identities, with Lois at the Daily Planet (these are all quick clips).

10:44
Think those were all clips from previous seasons...now clips showcasing Green Arrow, Black Canary, Aquman, Impulse, Cyborg, Zatanna, Martian Manhunter, Supergirl and the Legion. Chloe talking about the "Watchtower."

10:44
Words on screen: "KNEEL BEFORE ZOD."

10:44
Callum Blue plays Zod this season.

10:45
Clip of Brian Austin Green as John Corben.

10:45
(aka Metallo)

10:46
Ends with shot of Clark in a costume wtih an "S" logo. Looked dark, but it was a dark setting for the scene. Almost looked black with a black coat, and a dark blue Superman "S" shield.

10:47
Now Jeph Loeb is out, reminding the audience of his time writing on seasons 2, 3 and 4. "I am literally shaking," Loeb says, after seeing the footage.

10:47
Showrunners Kelly Souders and Brian Peterson are out. Loeb asking the show's writers to stand up and get recognized.

10:48
"There are some people here I know you want to see," Loeb says. Now bringing out Callum Blue, who plays Zod.

10:49
Next up: Cassidy Freeman, who plays LuthorCorp CEO Tess Mercer.

10:49
Justin Hartley, the show's Oliver Queen, out next. Loeb tells the crowd they have to behave themselves.

10:50
Erica Durance, who plays Lois Lane and Loeb calls "a friend of the show" and a friend to him and his family, next out. "Behave yourselves," Loeb repeats.

10:50
Loeb: "I don't have to say anything other than...Allison Mack."

10:50
"Is there someone else coming?" Loeb asks.

10:51
Nearly everyone is standing, cheering loudly for Tom Welling.

10:51
"Did you guys like that trailer?" Welling asks.

10:52
Welling says "I asked how many people were here, they said 5,000." The maximum occupancy, according to a posted sign, is 1,508. Loeb says they're actually 6,000.

10:53
Welling is talking about his new role as a show producer. Souders says he's been a "great addition" to the producing team.

10:54
"What's going on with you and Clark this year," Loeb asks Durance. "I think you guys are going to be pretty excited this year, all of the things you've been waiting for, you'll see a little of that," she replies. "Lois is dealing with being smitten with Superman. It's going to be a really great season, it's going to be really spicy."

10:54
Loeb asks Mack "what's it like being Watchtower?" "I love being in control," Mack says.

10:54
Loeb says to Hartley, "Didn't you throw down your bow?" "I like being told what to do," he says.

10:55
Freeman says her first nine months on the show "went like that."

10:55
Blue says he's having "so much fun" and he "loves playing an evil character."

10:55
In reference to his English accent, Blue says "It's actually an act. I'm from Texas."

10:55
"Thank you to the fans," Souders says, pointing out that a year ago, they didn't know if they would have a season nine. "We're gunning for season 10."

10:56
Peterson: "We do read what you write on the blogs, even if it's really mean. Regardless if you agree with certain decisions, you guys are there. Nine seasons, hopefully ten."

10:57
Peterson says he's excited about the move to season 10, saying that some of the best sci-fi shows—X-Files, Battlestar Galactica—were on Fridays.

10:57
Audience Q&A time.

10:57
First question, from a fan in a Batman costume. "When am I going to be on the show?"

10:58
He also asked for Tom Welling's name placard. Welling signed it and shook the fan's hand. "And now, that answers the question, when is Batman going to be on the show," joked Loeb.

10:59
"Tom, thank you so much for coming," a female fan said. "You're really good looking." Turning to Durance, she said that she is "the best Lois Lane," and asked when Durance will be in every episode in a season. "You will be seeing more of Erica this season," Souders says. 18 episodes. She asked for Durance's placard.

11:00
"I just wanted to say, Allison, you're amazing," the next fan said. "Tom, you're just an excellent actor."

11:01
Question to Welling: "What inspired you to finally step in and audition?" Welling says that at first they weren't letting people who were auditioning see the script. "Sometimes in Hollywood, when they don't have a script to show people, it means they probably don't have one, which isn't a good thing," he continues. "At first, I thought it was going to be Superman in a cape and tights in television, and once I read the script, it was completely different than what I thought...something that hadn't been done before, and a lot of room to grow. It looks like that was a pretty good assessment."

11:02
Mack talks about her audition, saying that the part was originally intended for a different ethnicity. "When I first stepped in, I was the only white girl." She says she went in with "a little attitude," but the producers liked that for Chloe.

11:02
Freeman says she had "an idea" of who her character was going to be when she was auditioning.

11:03
Hartley talks about how he got onto the show, via the Aquaman/Mercy Reef pilot that wasn't picked up.

11:03
Durance says, like Mack, she was "trying to pretend she was too cool" for the part when she auditioned.

11:04
Blue speaking of how he got his role. "I found out, when I got to LA to test, that it was Zod," Blue says.

11:04
Back to audience Q&A.

11:04
"Is Lex really dead?" Peterson: "I think we know from mythos, that Lex is absolutely not dead."

11:05
Question for Welling. "What unique things from your personal life have you brought to the show?" Mack: "Tom is one of the most private people I know, so I'd love to hear this answer."

11:06
Welling answers, "the professional side of my life for the last few years have probably brought more to the table than my personal life." Loeb pointed out that Welling will be directing this year, which Welling confirmed. Two episodes. "I enjoy both sides very much," Welling says. "Tom is one of my favorite directors," Mack says, saying that he has "such a love" for the show and the characters.

11:06
Peterson says Mack will be directing this season as well.

11:08
"When's he really going to fly without a Red Kryptonite ring?" Peterson: "We actually do talk about that and address that in the season premiere."

11:09
Fan is rambling about Green Arrow and going to every Smallville panel. Loeb cuts him off.

11:10
Will we see a score soundtrack? "We've never thought about a score, I don't think," Peterson says. "We'll bring it up."

11:10
Loeb talking about the "Legion" episode, which brings Geoff Johns to the panel.

11:11
"I'm going to be writing another episode," Johns says. "Thanks, all the feedback on 'Legion' was great. This year it's going to be Justice Society of America."

11:11
Johns asks Blue to say "kneel before Zod."

11:11
"I can't wait to work with all you guys again," Johns says. "This season, everything I've heard about it, it's going to kick ass."

11:11
Souders says there's "someone else we'd love to come back and write one," referring to Loeb. "I would love to if we can work that out," Loeb says.

11:12
"Can we expect, maybe, Wonder Woman?" Durance: "Maybe Lois will dress up as Wonder Woman?"

11:13
A female fan asks Welling to give the "slowest answer ever" so he can keep looking at her. He plays along at first, and then seriously answers her question, saying that moving to the directing side has been very exciting for him.

11:14
"Who wants to see it go to season 10?" Loeb asks. Answer: just about every person in here. Enthusiastically.

11:15
"Because you're not so sure you can get to season 10, though I know you will, what are the challenges in deciding to stall a storyline or get to the endgame of the show?" Souders says "everyone's brain sort of functions on two levels when we get to that last part of the season."

11:16
Peterson: "We have pretty much two seasons worth of stories to tell at this point. We're not worried about stalling."

11:16
"Are we going to see anyone new from the DC Universe?" Peterson: "You're going to be seeing Metallo in the first two episodes, you'll be seeing the return of Toyman. You'll be seeing Roulette." Peterson says there's a couple more he can't talk about.

11:17
Hartley on Green Arrow: "He's struggling. He's really, really struggling. And that's going to go on for a while."

11:17
Peterson: "In the first eight episodes, we're going to see him hit rock bottom."

11:17
Loeb: "Would you guys like to see more Green Arrow?" Yep, they would.

11:18
"How is it you guys get into character every show?" Hartley joked, "Just drinking. A lot of drinking."

11:18
Hartley answers seriously, saying "my process starts from reading the script, obviously, and then I read the script for the character, and I keep re-reading it."

11:19
Durance says she's not unlike Lois. "What I love is how we all kind of work together, and try to find the truth of it. Take what the writers give us and make something real."

11:20
Welling: "(The producers), before we're even around, have to get into the heads of the characters, as well."

11:20
"I'm a super-collaborative person," Mack says. "The best way I get into character is by working with my fellow actors and the directors."

11:21
"I like looking at things from sort of a macrocosmic level," she continues, saying she's been playing the character for so long, it's a matter of putting the words in her head, and it's there.

11:21
"Tess is a lot different than I am," Freeman says. "Even only being on the show for a year, you start getting to know these people."

11:22
"This is obviously a new character for me," Blue answers, saying he looks for a certain intensity, listening to hardcore music and "punching himself in the face a few times," Blue says he's looking to get into the character's skin.

11:23
"If Lex isn't gone, is there any chance for Jimmy (Olsen) coming back?" Souders: "Aaron Ashmore was one of the greatest actors to work with. We love him," then pointing out that he wasn't the right age as the "mythology," but "strange things happen in Smallville." Loeb, dryly: "And as we all know from comics, dead is dead."

11:24
"The part of (Tess) that I pull from the most is her strength," Freeman says.

11:25
Question about the costume from the clip. Souders says "We know that there's a long, sort of arc, to become really who Superman becomes. For us, we know that it's a bumpy road, and he's not going to go straight to a tailor, probably, and figure it out the first time. So that's kind of where that idea came from. You'll understand it when you see the season premiere."

11:25
Loeb asking for quick questions.

11:25
"If there's going to be a season 10 what do you think about moving production from Vancouver down to San Diego," a fan joked.

11:26
Chance of a movie? "Would you guys like a movie?" Loeb asks. Everyone cheers.

11:27
"Is there still a chance between Clark and Chloe?" "I think Clark and Chloe might be dead in the water," Mack says. "For Chloe, you're going to see a lot of the process of healing the loss of Jimmy. I'm not sure she's going to have much time for a love interest in the first little while. But you never know."

11:28
Chance of a name change to "Metropolis"? "We've bascially become Smallville: The Metropolis Years," Peterson says.

11:28
"Is playing your character easy?" a kid asked Welling. The actor's answer: "No."

11:29
"What was it like to work with Kristin (Kruek) again?" Souders: "Wonderful."

11:29
When asked about Speedy, Peterson says they're exploring a Green Arrow sidekick story.

11:30
Last question.

11:30
"Are we going to have any more Justice League episodes?" Peterson: "If we pass the popcorn bucket around and collect some money right now. We're going to do our best."

11:30
Souders: "This is the hardest working cast you've ever seen."

11:31
Thus ends the panel. Thanks for reading all weekend!

Pretty underwhelming in my opinion. Hopefully the footage they screened shows up online later. I guess Tom's appearance or the costume was the "major surprise" they teased.

[Tornado]

Also, Geoff Johns is writing another episode this season (Society), and Cassidy, Justin, and Callum are all doing 16 episodes this year (Erica is doing 18, Tom and Allison are presumably doing 22).

I had kind of been wondering if people would show up more often with the small-sized cast this year. I still think they should have brought on one more regular (Perry White, for example), but I suppose this is better than nothing.

[Spirited Away]

There are loads of recurring cast members (Martian Manhunter, Dr. Emil, Jor-El, Zod's Assassins, etc.) to make up for the missing lead, so I don't think it matters. Plus all the other leads got bumps in episode counts.

And all the cast, except Allison Mack, are signed on for Season 10, including Zod.

[Tornado]

Really? Where'd you hear that they signed Callum Blue for two seasons?

Nevermind, found it:

http://ifmagazine.com/new.asp?article=8416

[Tornado]

A couple of videos (neither of them the preview, hopefully that's coming tonight):

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[Tornado]

From Russ-El over at K-Site:

Yeah I was there but people seem to be obsessing over this "futureish" look - it wasn't. It was very much home-made and cloth, not leather at all. In fact when I talked to Brian and Kelly in the press junket they told me that the reason it is the way it is, is because Clark wouldn't go to a tailor the first time out, and Martha isn't there to lend a hand. It's something he did and while it looks badass it's not some highly expensive flashy thing, it's very simple, very unique, and extremely eye-catching. The shots of him high over Metropolis with the tails of the coat flapping in the wind are epic.

I went on to ask about the 'S' shield, in that even though we've seen it pop up different places - I wanted to know why Clark decided to use it across the chest; was there a specific instance in the premiere that makes him want to use it, instead of it just popping up in the past. "Definitely", they told me. "It's something that's addressed by Jor-El and Clark in 9x01.

It VERY MUCH pays homage to that of Brando's robe in the scenes from Superman - but it's not quite the look. It's much more defined, more suited to Tom. And the fight scene in the barn with the sun shining through the roof made it look even more awesome.

The shield itself isn't flashy either - very simple across the chest and enough to stand out when it needed to, and fade into the darkness when it should disappear. I keep using the word epic because that's what I whispered when I saw it on the screen. It's way better than anything I was hoping for when they started talking about this.

Sounds even better than I imagined it. :D

Also, another video:

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You know, Welling is something of a big deal now, but the guy is so charismatic... I think he's going to have a lot of options once the show is over.

[Neverending]

How has the preview not been leaked yet? :confused: Not even a screen cap?!

[Tornado]

Yeah, the panel has been over for almost eight hours now. I'm not sure what the hold-up is. I have to get up early tomorrow; I'm hoping it goes online before I go to bed. Ah well.

[Tornado]

cj1aPjHYxzA

It's kinda hard to tell what's going on and it's really ****ty quality, but goddamn that looks awesome. Can't wait to see a higher quality version.

[Neverending]

So...basically he's wearing a black trenchcoat with a black t-shirt underneath that has the Superman symbol. I don't know, man. Superman doesn't seem like the trenchcoat type. Couldn't it have been a black spandex suit or something?

I know that their excuse is that Martha isn't around to make him a costume. But couldn't he ask Oliver to hook him up with something?

[Tornado]

Better quality:

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I'm still hopeful that the costumed-Clark is in the present timeline, and that isn't an interpretation of a "Clark in the future who never had Lois" or something.

[Tornado]

The title for episode 904 is Echo.

[Spirited Away]

In the better quality leak, you can see the "S" symbol magically fading onto Clark's T-shirt or whatever he's wearing. I think that's going to be the explanation for why people don't recognise him as Superman - whenever he wears the "S", his face is disguised. It obviously works much better than the lame-ass gelled hair and glasses routine.

Also, spoiler about Echo: Clark learns how to hear people's thoughts, which is the first original superpower the show's introduced.

[DaRkKnIgHtDeTeCtIvE]

Well if all of this holds true as what Smallville's version of Superman is then I'm pretty much right back to disliking the show. I would of rather seen any other style of costume for Clark, hell what about one like the silver costume Routh wore in SR, but ANYTHING is better for Superman than BLACK. Understandably, due to Welling's hang ups about wearing spandex, and Smallville's knack for making huge departures from the Superman mythos the classic suit will probably never show up on SV, but even a more updated costume with the actual colors, THE colors of Superman would be better. All this seems to be is a ploy to hook those who follow the current trend of Dark comic book adaptations, or to make him edgier like Bats.
Perhaps I'll see a better quality version and I'll be blown away as much as Tornado, but right now it looks like Smallville has once again found yet another way to trample on what used to be a great DC character and turn him into some dark, brooding anti hero, just to get ratings on the worst time slot on televison.
I think Welling being named as a producer has a lot to do with the dark costume, he's just never struck me as someone who cares much for the character, and what a shame because he could be so damn good as Superman.
But that's the state of this character in the modern age, you have people making decisions on updating and "re-imagining" him that have no respect or pride in what Superman means as a pop culture and American icon. He's no longer cool to them so lets give him a black trench coat and let him sulk on a roof top somewhere, what a joke.
"Look,up on that really pointy rooftop, It's Batman, It's NEO, NO IT'S,....SUPER COLUMBINE MAN!!!"
Able to leap tall buildings in a single bound, (well,ummm when Zatana cast's a magical spell on him anyways) More powerful than a locomotive (that is unless one of the 10 trillion chunks of K-rock crops up in some form, rock,crystal,liquid,stride gum), poorly disguised in plain sight as Clark Kent he fights the never ending battle for Truth,Justice, and disappointing Superman fanboys everywhere"

[Tornado]

I don't want anything remotely Superman-like until he actually is flying and called Superman; I think this, a black trenchcoat and clothes, is by far the best option at this point.

[DaRkKnIgHtDeTeCtIvE]

Well if that's the approach that they choose to take and show a progression from what Clark is now to the eventual hero Superman, then I think the Red Blue Blur concept was a good middle point to work from. So if they plan to progress his costume as well from just his everyday clothes (red denim jacket,blue T-shirt) to a black(?) trenchcoat as a hero called the Red Blue Blur, to the costume that Martha eventually makes for him as Superman, it just feels like this is another detour on the path to Clark finally becoming Supes.
I'm hoping this is just temporary, just another dark period for Clark before he finally remembers his code and where he came from and gets back on track, or possibly just the future version that Lois see's of what the Red Blue Blur becomes without her. Hell this might even be interesting if the colors aren't permanent.
Maybe this is just another setup to a letdown season before they go full bore Superman in season 10, god that would be disappointing.

[Spirited Away]

It's pretty easy to comprehend: the black costume is temporary. As Season 9 and 10 progresses, the costume will progress, eventually climaxing into the Superman costume.

But if you're expecting the series to stick exactly true to the ever-changing comic book or the movies, you're wrong. I highly doubt Martha Kent will be designing his final costume.

I really don't understand why people find it so hard to understand that "Smallville" is no different to "The Man of Steel" or an Elseworlds story, it's a reboot that retells Superman's origins from scratch, however it likes.

[Spirited Away]

Revised episode count (courtesy of Kryptonsite.com):

Clark - 22 episodes
Chloe - 22 episodes
Lois - 18 episodes
Tess - 17 episodes
Oliver - 16 episodes
Zod - 16 episodes

[Spirited Away]

The two main interviews everyone must read:
http://www.kryptonsite.com/cc09-briankelly.htm
http://www.collider.com/2009/07/26/smallville-season-9-news-showrunners-kelly-souders-and-brian-peterson-interview-comic-con-2009/

This intrigues me most:

Kelly Souders: [Lois] plays an interesting role, which sends Clark and Lois on this trajectory where they just have to crash into each other in order for him to be who he needs to be by the end of the season.

What does he need to do by the end of the season?

BP: You will have tiny flashes in the premiere. Lois will start having visions as to what the future holds after she comes back with the Legion ring, and [she sees] what the world will be if Clark doesn't fix things.
I think this means whatever causes the destruction Lois sees in the future happens in the season finale. Does that mean Clark needs to become Superman by season's end, to prevent Lois' visions from becoming real?

The writers are saying Season 9 is the final step before he becomes Superman, so considering that along with the above, it suggests Season 10 could be an all-out Superman show.

Also: I think the train accident we see in the trailer is what causes Lois' amnesia, but the above Collider interview suggests she'll have all her memories back for the November sweeps. But will she learn/remember Clark is the Red-Blue-Blur? I think so.

[Tornado]

Kinda worries me that the two lead writers of a show essentially about Superman don't know who the Eradicator is. :(

Oh well. I am really looking forward to this season, one reason being as you mentioned above that there will be a true season-long story arc this year.

[DaRkKnIgHtDeTeCtIvE]

It's pretty easy to comprehend: the black costume is temporary. As Season 9 and 10 progresses, the costume will progress, eventually climaxing into the Superman costume.

But if you're expecting the series to stick exactly true to the ever-changing comic book or the movies, you're wrong. I highly doubt Martha Kent will be designing his final costume.

I really don't understand why people find it so hard to understand that "Smallville" is no different to "The Man of Steel" or an Elseworlds story, it's a reboot that retells Superman's origins from scratch, however it likes.

Sorry Spirited, just thought I was sharing my opinion, not being tested on my comprehension level.
I know Smallville is very different from the comic and in some ways I really enjoy it...creating Chloe Sullivan as a main character is a shining example, but why is it whenever someone is skeptical or a bit annoyed w/ the major liberties SV takes with the Clark Kent/Superman story die hard fanboys of the show get all snobbish and act like the SV "re-telling" of the character is so unique and creative? If the shows creators wanted to do a show about a hero that was so different from Superman they should have just invented one, THAT would have been creative.
Sometimes to someone like myself, someone who's been watching this show for a few years now just feels like it's all a big tease to get fans of the comic to watch hoping to get Superman but it just feels like the show is so different from what is known about the characters that it's only Clark Kent or Lois Lane or Jimmy Olsen in name only.
Oh, and by the way, didn't I put in my previous post that I thought the black suit was only a temporary phase for Clark or a futuristic version that Lois see's while time traveling? I do get it after all.

[Spirited Away]

You see Clark as different, I see him as the same but with more depth (flaws and all).

[Tornado]

^ Right.

[DaRkKnIgHtDeTeCtIvE]

Actually, I think the Smallville version of Clark is very close to what has been laid out in the comics and films and so forth, it's just that this is young Clark we're talking about, so rebellious attitude and some naivety is to be expected. With the end of the series coming within the next 2 seasons I worry more about the end of the story and how this version of Clark ascends to become Superman, with his identity being known to so many, lack of flight, I just hope those things are addressed and not just forgotten and swept under the carpet like some of the other glaring plot holes in seasons past.
As someone who really does like the show, I always find myself conflicted because I know it could be so much better that's all.

[Tornado]

Spoilers for 903 Rabid:

UPDATED 8/3/09: "Rabid" is about a virus infecting Metropolis that turns people into zombies.
- Both Tess and Lois are infected by the plague.
- Cameron Bancroft, whose previous credits include 24 and the original Beverly Hills 90210, plays Dr. Coats, a virologist who is working on the zombie plague.
- Don't get too attached to the current Green Arrow costume - Oliver burns it in this episode.

I gotta admit, I am kind of interested despite the randomness of it. It sounds like an episode straight out of Season 1.

[Spirited Away]

Episode 904 looks set to debut the Wonder Twins!

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[Spirited Away]

I gotta admit, I am kind of interested despite the randomness of it. It sounds like an episode straight out of Season 1.
Sounds so awesomely bizarre! They should have made it a Halloween episode, like Medium's Night of the Living Dead episode.

[Tornado]

905 is called Idol, and as Spirited said does feature the Wonder twins.

Boy... outside of Clark wearing a costume and the introduction of Metallo, Season 9 strikes me as being potentially really goofy.

[true fan11212]

905 is called Idol, and as Spirited said does feature the Wonder twins.

Boy... outside of Clark wearing a costume and the introduction of Metallo, Season 9 strikes me as being potentially really goofy.

I'm sure they'll make the Wonder Twins cool... somehow.

[Neverending]

outside of Clark wearing a costume and the introduction of Metallo, Season 9 strikes me as being potentially really goofy.

In other words, they're finally making a Superman show. ;)

[Neverending]

I was flipping through channels earlier tonight and noticed that Smallville is already airing on Fridays! Man, it feels so weird seeing this show on a Friday. It's bad enough that I ended up staying home tonight, but Smallville as well? Damn.

[Neverending]

CW has released the Comic Con panel:

PART 1
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PART 2
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[DaRkKnIgHtDeTeCtIvE]

Hopefully a higher quality version of the Comic-con preview will be on the way soon as well.

[Neverending]

Fingers crossed.

[Tornado]

The WB's updated its Twitter account a week or so ago to say the trailer was indeed coming, so I'm guessing it won't be too far off now.

[bbf2]

The Wonder Twins are in this season? Seriously? That is honestly the worst cameo I can think of for them to do. Are they bringing Gleek?

[Spirited Away]

New episode titles revealed:

9.06: Roulette (self-explanatory)
9.07: Crossfire
9.08: Kandor (presumably the Jor-El/Zod flashback episode)

http://www.kryptonsite.com/smallvillespoilers.htm

[Alien]

Roulette, self-explanatory? Do they go to Vegas?

[Spirited Away]

No, she's a DC Comics supervillain.

[Neverending]

Metallo:

http://www.tvguidemagazine.com/images/uploads/2009/08/6250.smallville_lg_bag.jpg

[DaRkKnIgHtDeTeCtIvE]

^^ Like that a lot, as good if not better than Doomsday.

[bbf2]

His chest plate looks exactly like a green version of Tony Stark's.

[DaRkKnIgHtDeTeCtIvE]

That's not a bad thing. Not really many ways to approach it without it looking cheesy, and that definitely doesn't look cheesy.

[Tornado]

Really? I think it looks a little cheesy.

But I'm glad they're at least making an effort to introduce the character without resorting to, "He's got a kryptonite heart that you'll never see outside of Clark using his x-ray vision once," or whatever.

[DaRkKnIgHtDeTeCtIvE]

I like how it's hooked into his chest, looks very much a part of him, not just some lame thing placed around his neck or on a suit. You definitely can believe it's stuck in his chest...looks painful actually.

[DaRkKnIgHtDeTeCtIvE]

And is it just my imagination, or does his left arm look like it's cybornetic, or metal?

[Alien]

Isn't that pic a spoiler? Shouldn't Tornado be pissed like every other time a spoiler is said/shown without spoiler tags?

[Tornado]

I've said it so much and people don't listen/care, so I don't really care anymore either. I read all the spoilers anyway; I always just said something so that others wouldn't have to if they didn't want to.

[Tornado]

This is not the Comic-Con trailer, but Ausiello uploaded the first Season 9 teaser this morning (all new footage):

http://ausiellofiles.ew.com/2009/08/20/smallville-season-9-promo/

It looks terrific.

[Alien]

I really don't know if Callum Blue as Zod will work. I'm too used to him as a stoner grim reaper.

[Road Warrior]

This is not the Comic-Con trailer, but Ausiello uploaded the first Season 9 teaser this morning (all new footage):

http://ausiellofiles.ew.com/2009/08/20/smallville-season-9-promo/

It looks terrific.

If we're lucky the season will be as good as the trailer.

[MasterChief117]

Just watched the Season 8 promo and thought it looked pretty damn good. I had to download that "Save Me" song ASAP. It's pretty damn good by the way. I might download this or something to atleast give it a try. I only watched the first season before I quit on it, haha. The Doomsday shots looked decent.

[MasterChief117]

Alright, after much debate I downloaded Season 8 episode "Odyssey" on XBOX LIVE Marketplace. Finally finished it after tons on stops and gos. I actually really liked it. Some parts of it are still smuggish to me and it was hard to follow since I haven't seen it since Season 8. I thought it was pretty terrific, good action and the acting was pretty decent. I really do like the guy that plays Green Arrow and Erica Durance is hot as all get out.

[Tornado]

Just picked up the Season 8 DVD.

I'm not really a fan of the new packaging, but at least they kept the booklet and didn't abandon it in favor of slim-pack descriptions or something.

[sshuttari]

He wears a suit!

I'm excited for this season just saw the official trailer for it.

[MasterChief117]

Just picked up the Season 8 DVD.

I'm not really a fan of the new packaging, but at least they kept the booklet and didn't abandon it in favor of slim-pack descriptions or something.

As did I. I watched the third episode. Pretty good, I still think Odyssey is one of the best that I've seen.

[MasterChief117]

So lemme get this straight...

Davis becomes Doomsday or he is Doomsday? Because I noticed he acts weird around Clarck and then the freak out thing he was doing in the alley. Just wondering.

[Tornado]

Just watch the season, it'll unravel as it goes along.

[true fan11212]

Just watch the season, it'll unravel as it goes along.

Those Lana episodes will certainly help with that, lol. Anyway, I'm hoping this new season is really good all the way through. Unlike most people, last season didn't start getting interesting until five or six episodes in. Then Lana came in and destroyed the momentum of the season and, despite a few good episodes after that, it never really recovered. I'm not even gonna go into the mess of a season finale.

[Tornado]

The second half of Season 8 was largely hit or miss for me. Some episodes, like Infamous, Hex, and Stiletto were great, but there were a handful of shows ranging from weak to... horrible (Power, Requiem).

I don't think Season 8 really started off with a bang either, true fan. I really enjoyed Odyssey, but the next three were largely forgettable until Committed. Plastique had some great Lois/Clark moments, and I loved Oliver's speech at the end of Toxic (despite how sick I am of seeing him berate Clark), but the rest wasn't great.

[MasterChief117]

Just watch the season, it'll unravel as it goes along.

I've noticed that, ever since he came on he's started showing a bit of an attitude and he's kinda hesitant around Clark. I just figured he'd probably be someone who is after him.


I've watched Plastique, Toxic and some of Instinct. None of them have really been as great as Odyssey, kinda disapointed in that aspect but hopefully it will get better. What season is the best by the way?

[Tornado]

The next seven episodes (Committed through Legion) are seven of the best episodes the series has made. So you have that to look forward to now that you're through the rough.

As for the best season of the series, that's hard to say. I'd say it's between Seasons 5 and 8... probably 8, largely for that string of episodes I mentioned above. But I think I'm in the minority on that, as I think the series got better as they moved out of the high school element. I still miss the father/son (family in general really) dynamic though.

[MasterChief117]

Yeah, my biggest problem with season 1 was the Dawson's Creek feel to it. I thought what the hell and watched Odyssey on my XBOX and I was like wow, they have completely scrapped that and went to an actual adult feel. This show is pretty good better than I thought, I absolutely love the opening. Fits Superman so well.

[MasterChief117]

Hmm, also Chloe and Clark had something I guess? Jimmy like flipped over the pink little slip thing, I couldn't really understand what was going on since I was cleaning my room but I guess they had something before? And it seems like Season 9 we are going to see Clark and Lois hit it off, possibly? I know Lois has sort of a thing for Clark and He's off in his own world.

[Tornado]

Chloe had a huge crush on Clark from Seasons 1 through 5... basically until Jimmy showed up in the Season 6 premiere.

[MasterChief117]

Oh, alright. Cause Clark was kinda weird around her too. And now the Lois/Clark dynamic is in and you can definently tell that Lois has something but Clark seems clueless, which is great.

[MasterChief117]

I just watched Prey and Identity which are easily one of the best episodes I've watched thus far. They were really good, especially the endings.

[Tornado]

Glad you liked it. Identity might be my favorite episode of the series... Hidden is close though too.

[MasterChief117]

Identity was great, I really liked the ending with the mind reader guy. That was great, I thought when Clark hit him that he might know about him.

[MasterChief117]

Check this out, for a second I thought it was season 8. It's pretty damn great looking.






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[Tornado]

lol, did you watch that whole trailer? You do know that it's all about Season 8, right? First you spoiled a season for me, now you spoiled a season for yourself.

[MasterChief117]

Do what...So that is Season 8? Why does everyone have different colored hair!?


I guess it's Karma, working it's beautiful magic. It's a ***** sometimes.

[Tornado]

Yep, that's Season 8 right up through the finale. It was made to catch people up for Season 9.

[MasterChief117]

Meh, I didn't get much from it. I already knew Davis was Doosmday and that Clark/JL fought him. All I saw potentially ruining for me was Jimmy getting stabbed, I never liked him much anyways.

[MasterChief117]

Just watched Bride and I really liked this episode. One of my favorites. I really enjoyed the scene with Ollie and Lois out on the porch. I thought it hit home with both of their characters really well. And as the season goes on I find Erica Durance hotter and hotter and yet a better actress as well.

[Jason Krueger]

I really miss watching this show, I think I'll start again, but I also need to play catch up.

[Tornado]

Do it to it.

[Tornado]

Watching Bride right now... every time I do, I'm always confused as to why Clark would be Jimmy's best man. Jimmy has never seen eye to eye with him, it must have to do more with him being Chloe's best friend and the owner of the barn more than anything else.

[bbf2]

Well, we never really saw Jimmy hanging out with anyone else and he was estranged from his family.

What I don't understand about the wedding is why Clark had to give Chloe away. What the hell happened to her dad? He showed up quite a bit in the first couple seasons then he just disappeared. They never said he died or anything. Why wouldn't he go to his daughter's wedding?

[MasterChief117]

I really don't like the kryptonite ploy but beyond that Bride is a fantastic episode. I still haven't really got the supes vs dooms battle but I got 12 episodes left. Watching Legion tomorrow and trying to pull dad into the show.

[MasterChief117]

Tom Welling>Brandon Routh. Why go with Routh for a film? Tom is so much more real and entertaining. IMO

[bbf2]

I've been watching some reruns lately and there have been some things that are so inconsistent and weird that they make me laugh. Little continuity problems that happen within episodes are alright, but there are some huge plot holes that work throughout the entire series and basically render plots nonsensical. Thinking back at the complicated history of the series, where the writers have admitted that at various times they change stories midstream or just make stuff up as they go along without planning certain aspects in the future, makes for a ton of nonsensical moments, and since I'm bored and these problems are racing through my mind, I'm going to count down the Top Five things that always nag at my brain when I'm rewatching or thinking about the series.
Without further ado:

Top Five Biggest Smallville Plot Holes/Annoyances

5. Chloe's disappearing dad. At the beginning of Season 4, Lex reveals that he saved Chloe and her dad from the house explosion that was supposed to kill them. That's the last time we see or hear from Gabe. In the newer seasons they're all adults living on their own so it makes some degree of sense that Chloe wouldn't be around her father as much, but there are some noticeable exceptions. First and foremost, her wedding, as mentioned above. Why the hell wasn't Gabe there? Also, he was absent and not mentioned in "Progeny," the episode with Chloe's mother. I guess things were tense since they were running from Lex so they couldn't talk to him, but in all of Chloe's conversations with her mom they don't bring up their father or where he is even once. Wouldn't Chloe's mom want to know where her husband is and why he has no part of their daughter's life? Or at least mention that she felt bad leaving him to go to the mental institution instead of just saying she felt bad leaving Chloe?
As a bonus "missing parent” problem (although this isn’t a plot hole par se, just something that makes no sense), why doesn’t Clark ever mention, visit or speak with Martha after she leaves to become a senator? After she leaves its like she doesn’t even exist anymore. The ONLY time we see her referenced is when Clark speaks to her over the phone in the Tori Spelling episode where he was surrounded by paparazzi. I mean, I get that she’s busy, but US Senators still have time to hang out with their families especially when Congress isn’t in session, they still visit their constituencies, and….oh yeah, her son can travel to Washington and back in 3 seconds. I know they don’t want to hire Annette O’Toole again, but they really need to have more scenes where Clark mentions talking to or visiting her. Much of the first 5 seasons of the show was set up on family values, and now that his mother moves away she has no part in his life anymore?

4. Jason being revealed as evil and working for his mother the whole time in Season 4. This one was so haphazard and preposterous, and obviously was a last minute rewrite because Jensen Ackles left the show to take a part on "Supernatural," but the way they just wrote him off as evil was incredibly idiotic and flew in the face of his continuity throughout the whole season. Throughout the entire season, Jason was one of the protagonists, as Lana's boyfriend and Clark's football coach, and partook in the adventures where they traveled to China to fight witches and all that nonsense. It's one thing if he was a minor character, but he was a major character - meaning, we saw tons of scenes from his point of view and scenes of him when he was by himself (researching the witch crystal stuff), and him partaking in private conversations, which upon reviewing make absolutely no sense if he had an ulterior motive the entire time. The most jarring example is the fact that he was revealed to have secretly been working for his evil mother the entire season to find the Stones of Power. However, we had previously seen several scenes from his point of view where he is alone with his mother and confronts her for showing up in Smallville, setting up his meeting with Lana, and doing a bunch of evil stuff. Then right before the end of the season, he's suddenly talking on his cell phone to his mother and says "We've disposed of (Margot Kidder's) body in order to frame Lex Luthor, and now we'll find the stones of power! Our plan has worked excellently!" Then he proceeds to kidnap the Luthers and try to kill the Kents with a shotgun. So, um, if you were working with your evil mom the whole time and were in on her plan to get the stones, what the hell was the point of having all those private conversations with her about how aghast you were to find out about her meddling and evil plots? No one else was around! (and no, they didn't say that he had a change of heart midway through the season after talking to his mother. They went out of their way to reveal that he had been evil the whole time even though that didn't make sense, probably because they were pissed at Ackles for leaving.)

The rest will be later. Let me know if I've made a mistake, some of you are a lot more on the ball and may remember some things that I don't.

[Tornado]

Well, we never really saw Jimmy hanging out with anyone else and he was estranged from his family.

What I don't understand about the wedding is why Clark had to give Chloe away. What the hell happened to her dad? He showed up quite a bit in the first couple seasons then he just disappeared. They never said he died or anything. Why wouldn't he go to his daughter's wedding?

There have been a few times Jimmy has mentioned something like, "A friend of mine down in blah blah blah showed me this," or whatever. But yeah, outside of those instances it didn't seem like he had much of a social life outside of our main cast.

And yeah, Gabe's disappearance has always kind of bothered me too.

Tom Welling>Brandon Routh. Why go with Routh for a film? Tom is so much more real and entertaining. IMO

Right-o!

[Tornado]

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I agree with the lack of Martha comments. She's been mentioned twice; the first time was in Bloodline when Lois picked up the box with the crystal and said something like, "So I see Ma Kent is going to keep sending you care packages. Careful, the cookies feel like they're made of lead." The second was as you said. But yeah, I've always been surprised there hasn't been more said about her (or hell, even guest appearances here and there; she was touring with her husband for a while, but it's not like that leaves you no free time). The show was always more about the dynamic between Clark and Jonathan than Clark and her, but that dynamic shifted with his passing. The problem now is that it wouldn't make as much sense to bring Martha back, since Clark is really on his own at this point. I've always been surprised they don't take more advantage of the situation though; for example, during a Clark-lite episode (e.g., the episode before Welling directs one have always been pretty tame for him), he could just say something like he's going to be visiting her in Washington or whatever. Then at the peak of the problem in the end of the episode, he could whoosh back and stop whatever. That's part of who Superman was in the comics; he didn't always do several days of detective work before he stopped a problem. He would just barrel on in, kick ass, and be done with it. Smallville's Clark doesn't really do that... but I guess that wouldn't really be dramatic television.

I'll be curious to see what your #1 is. I think mine would be a toss-up between how Lex did not figure out who Clark was until Arctic (despite having loads and loads of evidence toward it) and how Lionel was always written to best serve whatever story they had that week (good one week, bad the next, then horrible, then a father figure to Clark, etc.).

[MasterChief117]

I might do my own Top 5 Moments for Season 8. Once I finish it, no clue when thats gonna be. I'm going to try and watch Legion and Bulletproof today.

[Tornado]

Maybe I'll conform and do a top ten then too. It'll be kind of hard though, because some moments I thought were really important ended up not mattering much by the end of the season.

[MasterChief117]

Never got around to watching those episodes so I'll have to do my list even farther down the road. I have some moments already decided, I'm just waiting for the rest of the season to give something good.

[MasterChief117]

So is anyone confirmed yet besides Tom Welling and Erica Durance? Or no, is that suppose to be the mystery of this season?

[Tornado]

What do you mean confirmed? As in, the main characters of Season 9? Here, read at your own risk:

Tom Welling - Clark Kent
Allison Mack - Chloe Sullivan
Erica Durance - Lois Lane
Cassidy Freeman - Tess Mercer
Justin Hartley - Oliver Queen
Callum Blue - Zod

Despite the smaller cast list than previous years, there have been a lot of guest stars and recurring characters announced.

[bbf2]

how Lionel was always written to best serve whatever story they had that week (good one week, bad the next, then horrible, then a father figure to Clark, etc.).

You're close to my number 3....

Top Five Biggest Smallville Plot Holes/Annoyances, Number 3

3. Hey, I know you've murdered at least four people and attempted to kill dozens more, including me and everyone I care about, but could you pass the mashed potatos?
First off, Lionel Luther turning into a good person was a horrible idea. I’m pretty sure John Glover agreed, because the beginning parts of seasons with him being evil were amazing and he was clearly the best actor on the show, but when he became the father figure and just another member of Clark’s scoobying squad, Glover seemed to be only given half effort – or at least, he no longer knew what his character’s motivations were. And who could blame him, since he was written so inconsistently from that point forward, switching from bad to good to “I’m only acting bad because I have the best good in mind” to other nonsense.

As evil as he was, I don’t think the concept itself of him turning into Clark’s protector was TOO implausible – after all, he was miraculously cured of cancer after coming in contact with Clark and then had his brain rewired by Jor-El. As bad as I think the decision was (they ruined a fantastic villain played by a fantastic actor and made him bumble through the later seasons unsure of his own motivation), him turning good isn’t the huge plot oversight itself.

What I ABSOLUTELY CANNOT BUY is the fact that everyone completely accepts this guy as their new father figure, BFF and (in Martha's case) love interest after years and years of him trying to murder them and everyone they love. I mean, they gave SOME resistance sometimes (usually Clark saying “I don’t know if I can trust Lionel” and then Chloe saying “But Clark, you have to trust him!”) but it just wasn’t enough.

If Clark’s/Chloe etc.’s relationship with Lionel was an uneasy, cold alliance where they knew they had to work with him to achieve a mutual goal, that would be one thing. But no, they go way overboard and completely accept him as their trusted friend and one of the gang despite over four years of pure evil where he tried to kill them and everyone they care about. It’s not like he was just some unscrupulous businessman who made some ethically challenged decisions, he was a guy who MURDERED people (or tried to murder people) who got in his way….including all these characters who became BFFs with him.

This culminated in what I consider the most ridiculous single scene in Smallville history – Lionel being invited to Thanksgiving dinner at the Kent farm in Season 6’s “Rage”. This scene is truly mindbogglingly stupid. Chloe smiles at him and passes him the mashed potatoes even though a few years prior he blew up a house in an attempt to kill her and her father because she discovered that he murdered his own parents. Clark lovingly carves off a piece of turkey for him despite the fact that a year ago Lionel tried to strangle him to death after switching bodies with him in an attempt to steal his powers (which Lionel doesn’t remember, but Clark does.) All that stuff happened a few seasons prior, so what’s probably my favorite part is the fact that Lionel amicably chats with Oliver at the dinner table…despite the fact that five episodes prior, in “Sneeze,” Lionel and Oliver had a heated confrontation where Lionel accused Oliver of kidnapping and torturing Lex, and threatens to kill Oliver if it turned out he was involved in Lex’s kidnapping. Come on, shrugging off stuff that happened seasons ago is one thing, but you can’t even remember stuff that happened a few episodes prior in the same season?

As stupid as Lionel’s fatherly figure authority came with Clark, his relationship with Martha was worse, as she openly acknowledged him as a friend (and maybe more) despite her knowledge of all his criminal activity and attempted murders of her son and friends. I remember a conversation somewhere in season five where Lionel said something along the lines of “I know Jonathan and I never saw eye to eye and had our differences, and I hope those differences don’t come in the way of my relationship with you and Clark.” (which Martha immediately accepts). So trying to murder her husband in the caves over a magical key was “not seeing eye to eye?” Good to know. Later Lionel tells her that she should stop hanging out with him when she became state Senator because of his public image, to which she responds “We never turn our back on our close friends, no matter what people think!” And then, later, (in the Thanksgiving episode) they have a conversation which basically amounts to “I know we’re both attracted to each other, but we can’t pursue a romantic relationship because I value our friendship so much.”

Sometimes Clark or someone would get pissed at Lionel when he did something that seemed evil (forcing Lana to marry Lex, trapping Clark in a kryptonite cage) but in each of those instances they eventually found out it was done benevolently in order to protect Clark, so all was forgiven and they were BFFs again. When he died he was given a hero's sendoff, and Clark and Chloe mentioned him in the same breath as Jonathan and Jor-El as valiant father figures who gave their life to save Clark. I guess you could argue that he probably had accumulated enough credit by that point, but they were treating him in pretty much the same breath in Season 5 and 6, WAY too early and before he had even done much to make amends for his 60+ years of murder, torture, kidnapping, extortion, attempted brainwiping, etc.

[MasterChief117]

What I was looking for Torn, I had heard rumors that only two people had been confirmed. Thanks for the info.

[bbf2]

Biggest Smallville Plot Holes, Number 2

2. So you drove four hours from Metropolis to Smallville just to have one conversation in the Talon for 30 seconds and then drove back?
This one is extremely common and everyone has noticed it. Still, it deserves the number two spot on the "Biggest Smallville Plot Holes" list because it pretty much happens in every episode of the later seasons.

In the early seasons, its established that Smallville and Metropolis are about four hours apart. Trips to Metropolis were a big deal. For example, in season 1 people made fun of Lex for being in charge of the Smallville plant since its so disconnected and far from Metropolis, and whenever Lionel visited Lex would make a comment about how something must be important for him to make the long trip.

But from Season 5 onwards, characters started to live and work in Metropolis. By Season 8, pretty much every character was working in Metropolis and had no business being in Smallville. Except the producers wanted to keep the same sets (the Kent farm, Talon, and Luthor Mansion mostly) and keep the title of the show so the characters kept living at their Smallville residences despite working in Metropolis. Uh…so they all commuted four hours there and back?

Chloe and Lois at various points each worked at the Planet but lived at the Talon, Clark lived in the barn despite working for the Planet (yes I know he has super-speed and is actually the only character who can go between these places instantly, but he should keep up appearances) and Lex and then Tess lived in the Luther mansion even though all of LuthorCorp and their business ventures were in Metropolis (maybe not as bad for them because they had a helicopter, but even with a helicopter why would you live 240 miles away instead of somewhere closer?)

Eventually they just stopped pretending there was any distance between the locations at all: characters who are not Clark would have a scene in Metropolis, show up for one scene in the Kent farm or the Talon just to have one conversation, and then in the next scene be back in Metropolis again.

But my favorite part is the fact that we would see people get injured in Metropolis, then after the commercial break we would see them being treated in the Smallville hospital.
How the hell did that come about?

Nurse: “Doctor, this patient has been attacked by some kind of monster, we have to get her to the Metropolis Intensive Care Unit immediately!”
Doctor: “NO! There’s no way we’re taking her to the huge state-of-the-art urban hospital a block from here! Get a helicopter, we’re taking her to a small farm town hospital four hours away!”
Nurse: “But doctor, that doesn’t ….”
Doctor: “DO AS I SAY!”

If you want to get drunk fast, play a drinking game while watching a recent episode and take a shot everytime a character without superspeed goes between the two cities instantly.

[bbf2]

And now for what I consider the absolute most mindboggling, bizarre Smallville plothole that absolutely makes my head hurt whenever I think about.

1. Clark, I am the recording left behind by your father to help guide you. Also, I'm a gigantic a$$hole, kidnapper and murderer. Oh yeah, and I'M MORE POWERFUL THAN GOD AND I CAN LITERALLY DO ANYTHING.

In the Season 5 episode “Hidden,” the recording of Jor-El in the fortress warns Clark that, in retribution for Jor-El bringing Clark back from the dead, someone close to him will die. Later in the season, in “Requiem,” Clark reveals his secret to Lana and proposes to her, and then Jor-El follows through on his warning and causes Lana to be killed in a car accident. Clark is upset and asks Jor-El to go back in time one day to save Lana. Jor-El says that he is capable of traveling back in time to one day ago (but only once, due to plot convenience) but if he does so, someone different that’s close to Clark will die, which Clark accepts. So the day resets, Lana survives and then Jor-El causes Pa Kent to die from a heart attack.

Okay, it sucks that Clark didn’t think of the ramifications and caused his dad to die, but that’s not the problem here. Read that summary again. I’ll accept the fact that Jor-El could cause Pa Kent to die, since he linked with him to give him Clark’s powers in an earlier season (which was the cause for Pa’s heart problems) so I’ll assume that he still had some connection with Jonathan and had some ability to remotely trigger his heart acting up. But look at the first death. Jor-El causes Lana to die in a car accident. HOW THE HELL DID THE RECORDING OF JOR-EL CAUSE LANA TO DIE IN A CAR ACCIDENT? How could he possibly have controlled that? Does he have the power to bend time and space?

That’s the most egregious example, but stuff like this happens all the time. Jor-El seemed like a pretty normal guy on Krypton, but for some reason the “recording” that he left behind for his son on Earth is more powerful than God. Literally, that recording is pretty much IS the omnipotent, all-powerful and vengeful God of the Old Testament. Jor-El's recording can do anything. (although he often does nothing, depending on the convenience of the plot) He can heal the sick, raise the dead, kidnap people and brainwash them into doing his bidding (like that girl wandering past the caves who he sent to collect Clark and then killed), teleport people and things, kill and/or vaporize anyone he wants, travel back in time, tell the future, bend time and space, restore memories, give or take away powers (not just to Clark but also to Kara and humans), send people to alternate universes, and cause events to happen and unfold on Earth in any way that he chooses. But all of these can only be done when its convenient for the plot, mind you.

I understand that Kryptonian technology is powerful, so I could understand if the AI is really good and thus able to have conversations with Clark, but being able to bend time and space is just way way too much.

Isn't he supposed to be the same species as Clark? Why doesn't Clark have anything remotely resembling godlike powers if a RECORDING of his dad can? There's no freaking reason for it, the producers were just like “Uh, Jor-El’s recording can pretty much do anything. It’s magic Kryptonian technology” and called it a day.

The thing I find funny is that all the other characters take it for granted that Jor-El’s recording has godlike omnipotence to pretty much do anything and don’t really think of it as strange. Sometimes something bad will happen and Clark or Chloe or someone will just say “Hey, let’s go to Jor-El to fix or heal this person/thing/whatever!” which often works.

There are so many people out there, including people who know about the Fortress, who are obsessed with catching Clark. Why not try to capture and harness the power invested in Jor-El’s incredibly powerful recording? Clark’s powers are nice and all, but they pale in comparison to the ability to raise the dead, travel back in time, manipulate the Earth in order to cause someone on the other side of the planet to die in a car accident, etc. (Plus Jor-El’s recording can also give regular humans Clark’s powers, like he did with Jonathan and Lionel)

Brainiac once infected the fortress last season, which gave me hope when I first saw it that they were actually going to acknowledge the nonsensical fact that Jor-El’s recording is Godlike and have Brainiac use these powers against Clark, but then all Brainiac did was shut him down and then “soak up knowledge” from him.

Also, this isn’t really a plot hole, but it kind of bugs me that Jor-El’s recording is also a huge ******* who has done some horrible things, so Clark’s eventual “bonding” with the recording I thought was kind of lame. (Remember when he kidnapped that innocent girl who happened to be walking by the Kawatche caves, brainwashed her into tracking you down, then vaporized her when he no longer had use for her? And then threatened to kill Jonathan unless you agreed to be brainwashed by him yourself?)

OK, rant over. Hopefully Jor-El doesn't somehow cause my death from halfway around the world.

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So yeah, that's my list of the most frustrating and bizarre plotholes. A lot of bizarre inconsistencies that rattle my brain, but throughout all the frustrating history of this show, the thing that frustrates me the most (ESPECIALLY regarding magically manipulating time and space to make sure Lana is killed in a car accident) is the fact that Jor-El’s recording can do anything at anytime whenever the writers feel like it, and no one seems to think anything of it.

[MasterChief117]

Apparently I've never seen Committed, so I'm trying to think if I possibly rewatched the same episode over. Well anywho, I watched it and really liked it. The Lois scene where she admits she likes Clark was great. I really didn't like the way it played out at the end but it was still pretty good.

[MasterChief117]

Wow, okay some things I never noticed before just popped up. One, Oliver disguises his voice when he's Green Arrow. I never knew that. Second, John Jones is the Martian Manhunter, I never knew that until I rewatched the episode when he says his name. And Third, well this really doesn't partake to anything but any word on if Oliver will grow out some kind of goatee?

[MasterChief117]

I completed the entire 8th season. Overall I really liked it, highly flawed but I almost liked it more for it being flawed, oddly. Here are my thoughts of the season finale which was probably the most iffy episode to me.


Pros:

Highly enjoyed the Doomsday 'fight'
The nod to the other Jimmy was awesome
The Clark vs Oliver built up is probably the best part
Tom Welling, Erica Durance and Justin Hartley's Acting
Watchtower!
Clark admitting he did wrong

Cons:

The shortest most epic battle with Doomsday was a pain in the end, the season built up fell down to nothing. :(

The Jimmy death felt a bit unneeded and random

The Tess Mercer mess

The blow off with Doomsday




Overall I say the last episode is probably a B-.

[MasterChief117]

I'm up 8 episodes on Season 1. So far it's amazing. I really like this show. Minus the fact that when Clark goes in to save everyone kryptonite gets in the way.

[MasterChief117]

Ahh one more post in here before someone updates it besides me.


I really hope that they atleast mention Bruce Wayne in here. I just want a mention to him. Oliver and Bruce were a lot more friends than Clark and Oliver(which is pretty obvious now). I was just hoping they'd atleast show him. But then again Clark is suppose to be like early 20s so my guess is Bruce is still wandering the world. :(

[insaneMoViEgoer]

can i spoil it for you?

[MasterChief117]

Spoil what?

[insaneMoViEgoer]

About whether or not Bruce is mentioned

[MasterChief117]

Ahh go for it if you wish. I watched Comic Con and I saw how quickly Jeph Loeb wrote it off.

[insaneMoViEgoer]

He's not mentioned. The closest thing was in season 3 with the character of Adam Knight, who before the end of his arc, was actually thought by many fans and the actor himself to be Bruce Wayne.

[MasterChief117]

Urgh, figured. Well we still got 2 seasons left. I really don't think that the Smallville writers will pass out on Bruce Wayne. I mean he adds another dynamic to Clark that other characters really don't. He's like Oliver to the extreme. IDK, it's just a wish. I doubt it will ever happen.

[insaneMoViEgoer]

It's not the writers fault for not bringing him in, they've wanted to. But I believe it's WB who's barring him from being on the show.

[MasterChief117]

Ahh, okay. Doesn't CW have it now? I couldn't imagine a Bruce Wayne/Batman story arc. It'd be really good and possibly have Bruce as that opposite yet friendly kinda like how Green Arrow is going with Clark.



Edit...By the way, where the hell is Mr. Smallville himself at. I really could play a tune or two with him. I'm really curious and just passing some crap back and forth would be interesting.


Also, I have to throw this out here, Lana Lang First Season>Lana Lang Eighth Season.

[insaneMoViEgoer]

It's a shame what happened to her character.

[MasterChief117]

Yeah, I really like her character and I didn't like what they did to her in the eighth season. Here she feels like that next door love if you know what I mean. In arguments you feel for her and Clark at the same time and I really like that dynamic. I really like Lex's character on here, he's lovable but then again you can see where he drops off at. I really like that they stayed true to the comics and made him good friends with the Kents.


My biggest complaint about season 1 is probably Whitney or the random toss around of Kryptonite.

[Jason Krueger]

I've been rewatching my dvds, I have seasons 1-5 and right now I'm on 3 with 2 disks left. Might finish it tonight if I can stay awake, but I'm gonna go ahead and post my top 5 favorite episodes from the first two seasons and I'll do the same thing for the rest.

Season 1.

5. Pilot.
4. Stray.
3. Crush.
2. Jitters.
1. Leech.

Season 2.

5. Accelerate.
4. Skinwalker.
3. Red.
2. Rosetta.
1. Exodus.

As far as catch up to season 9, not sure how I'm going to do this. I have 18 days to do so, 2 more seasons on dvd after season 3 and then I'll have to do it online from there. Altogether 108 episodes to watch (after season 3) before season 9 begins. Divide that by 18 and I get 6...so 6 episodes a day starting with season 4. The premiere date of season 9 would be the last 6 episodes I'd have to watch to finally be caught up.

By watching 2 disks a day of the dvds I have and then watch 6 episodes a day of the seasons I haven't seen online I'd be done before the premiere date.

[MasterChief117]

I'm watching about a disk a day at the moment. Going through season 1 fast as hell. Highly enjoy it though.

[Jason Krueger]

Heres my top 5 for season 3.

5. Whisper.
4. Exile.
3. Talisman
2. Shattered.
1. Memoria.

[Tornado]

Jitters? Accelerate? Skinwalker? I think you should re-watch some of those episodes, Jason. ;)

Also, for those interested, Tom Welling actually granted an interview to TV Guide recently:

http://www.tvguidemagazine.com/smallville/tom-welling-feels-super-about-season-9-2255.html

[Tornado]

I'll do a top five for every season too:

SEASON 1:
5. Stray
4. X-Ray
3. Tempest
2. Leech
1. Pilot

SEASON 2:
5. Duplicity
4. Heat
3. Insurgence
2. Vortex
1. Rosetta

SEASON 3:
5. Covenant
4. Hereafter
3. Exile
2. Memoria
1. Shattered

SEASON 4:
5. Onyx
4. Crusade
3. Run
2. Blank
1. Commencement

SEASON 5:
5. Vengeance
4. Reckoning
3. Vessel
2. Arrival
1. Hidden

SEASON 6:
5. Crimson
4. Arrow
3. Sneeze
2. Zod
1. Justice

SEASON 7:
5. Apocalypse
4. Siren
3. Bizarro
2. Descent
1. Traveler

SEASON 8:
5. Odyssey
4. Bloodline
3. Bride
2. Legion
1. Identity

[bbf2]

Isn't "Accelerate" the one where Pete is a drag racer? That one was horrible.

[Jason Krueger]

Jitters? Accelerate? Skinwalker? I think you should re-watch some of those episodes, Jason. ;)

Also, for those interested, Tom Welling actually granted an interview to TV Guide recently:

http://www.tvguidemagazine.com/smallville/tom-welling-feels-super-about-season-9-2255.html

Lol, I'm guessing you didn't care much for those episodes.

[Jason Krueger]

Isn't "Accelerate" the one where Pete is a drag racer? That one was horrible.

No it's the one with the clone of Lana's dead childhood friend stalks, the one you're thinking of is velocity.(sp)

[Alien]

I'll do a top five for every season too:

SEASON 1:
5. Stray
4. X-Ray
3. Tempest
2. Leech
1. Pilot

SEASON 2:
5. Duplicity
4. Heat
3. Insurgence
2. Vortex
1. Rosetta

SEASON 3:
5. Covenant
4. Hereafter
3. Exile
2. Memoria
1. Shattered

SEASON 4:
5. Onyx
4. Crusade
3. Run
2. Blank
1. Commencement

SEASON 5:
5. Vengeance
4. Reckoning
3. Vessel
2. Arrival
1. Hidden

SEASON 6:
5. Crimson
4. Arrow
3. Sneeze
2. Zod
1. Justice

SEASON 7:
5. Apocalypse
4. Siren
3. Bizarro
2. Descent
1. Traveler

SEASON 8:
5. Odyssey
4. Bloodline
3. Bride
2. Legion
1. Identity
I never really liked X-Ray. It has the whole classic x-ray vision when he sees through stuff and not ever since it's been new x-ray with skeletons.

Also I don't remember the season but I really liked the first Red K episode.

[Road Warrior]

I realized today that this Thursday is the premiere of that Vampire Diary show. How weird is it there not being any Smallville on Thursdays?

[Alien]

Vampire Diary? Another new Vampire show? True Blood must really have rubbed some folks right.

[bicker]

While undoubtedly driven by the success of Twilight (not so much True Blood), it is interesting to note that Vampire Diaries is based on a series of novels that predated the books behind the True Blood series by a decade (and that predated the books behind Twilight by almost 15 years).

From what I can see of the previews, I think there may be some significant affinity between Vampire Diaries and the first few seasons of Smallville. Obviously, both are set during the high school years of the main characters (well, sort of, in one case). I think, necessarily (and just as happened with Veronica Mars, and Buffy), Smallville has changed (some would say, improved) as it has left high school behind, but there is a place for what is essentially "high school drama", and for folks who like that aspect of the early years of Smallville, mixed with an appreciation for something darker than a "destiny to save humanity", I think Vampire Diaries will be a good option.

My wife and I won't be watching though, at least not beyond the first couple of episodes: Vampire Diaries, in taking over Smallville's time slot, took over its impediments, the same impediments that prevented us from watching Smallville:* It is on up against some of the most compelling competing programming there is. In this case, Vampire Diaries is up against Bones and Flash Forward (as well as Survivor, which we no longer watch, and wouldn't beat Vampire Diaries in our decision matrix, if it came to that).


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* We picked up Smallville Seasons 1-7 on DVD, and Season 8 when the episodes were rerun this past year. The only conflict, between Smallville reruns and the programming we normally watched Thursday 8PM was Abyss, which we downloaded from Amazon.

[Alien]

FlashForwards is another new show I saw the trailer for (we must be getting it around the same time as the US and not months behind) that really sparked my interest.

[MasterChief117]

Hmm, still on the first season. At one point I was downing 4 episodes a night but with school out, homework and me obsessively playing football every day, I never find the time. :(

First season is really great. I just watched the episode 'Drone'. Loved the screwdriver matrix moment.