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Tornado

11-20-2008, 09:26 PM

In one word: magnificent. It was a tremendous episode, and I honestly wasn't disappointed at all. I was really pulling for Clark to fly at some point (But at the same time, how would that have really worked in this episode? Doomsday didn't fly, so why would Clark?), but having Lex reappear was almost as epic as flight would have been.

As Ender said, it was the smaller moments of the episode that really pulled me in. Oliver knowing Lois was referring to Clark, Clark reading Jimmy's vows and really that whole scene, Clark and Lois almost kissing, etc. I really liked the ending scene between the two as well, and it's going to be difficult when the show comes back since Lois isn't going to be around for a while while Lana will be (i.e., :().

Frankly, at this stage in the game, I was really impressed by Doomsday. He didn't do much, but why would he so early? Clark was taken out pretty early on (one of my few disappointments of the episode, but I'm sure there'll be at least one massive brawl between the two at some point), and nobody else put up any kind of a fight. I found it a little odd Doomsday knew about the existence and location of the Fortress, but I'll forgive it for now.

My biggest complaint was the presence of Lana and how she, of course, magically fit right back into the ongoing mythology. I wouldn't have minded if she had shown up for the wedding, talked with Clark and gotten their differences out in the open, and then left for the rest of the series. But no, of course, she's gotta be thrown back into the thick of things without any hesitation on the side of the producers. I'm curious to find out who texted her; my first guess was Lex, but after seeing him at the end I don't know what kind of a state he'd be in to do that.

I'll probably watch it again in the next couple of days, but for now I'll give it a solid A-. It wasn't my favorite episode of the season (Identity, maybe Abyss), but it was still more of what I've come to expect out of Season 8.

I'll be curious to hear what the Nielson ratings look like. :)

EnderDeschain

11-20-2008, 09:30 PM

is that Lex or Brainiac with the wires sticking out of his head?

My initial thought was that it was Lex, and my reaction and excitement went entirely off that assumption. It wasn't until I rewatched it that it occurred to me it might not be him, it might be Brainiac. Either way, it's pretty cool, but I'm just gonna continue on the assumption that it was Lex until proven otherwise. The idea of Lex being out there, watching, pulling strings and being behind **** even though we don't see him, is immeasurably cool and I hope they play with it some. But not too much, just keep him in the background, at least until next season when Rosenbaum comes back.

Tornado

11-20-2008, 09:32 PM

unity768

11-20-2008, 09:38 PM

Didn't Lex and Brainiac merge in a JLU finale? Interesting..but I tend to lean towards Tornado's/Ender's opinion that it's Lex until proven otherwise.

EnderDeschain

11-20-2008, 09:40 PM

There's no reason it would be Brainiac. First off, he was bald. Secondly, he was hooked up to a bunch of IV's or monitors or something, presumably because they're keeping him alive for the time being (from being inside the Fortress when it was destroyed). And lastly, I have a hard time buying the concept that Brainiac would find out what happened through watching a TV. ;)
I'm sure it was Lex.

I am too, but the second time I saw it I realized how much the body type isn't that of Lex. Of course, they're not gonna get Rosenbaum to come in and do that one scene right now so no one's body type is gonna match up exactly, but it just made me pause. You're right about the TV thing too, plus I doubt with Chloe being all Brainy that they'll have him involved in any other way. I think it was just a little tease that probably won't be mentioned for maybe even the rest of the season, which is groovy with me. But just for clarity's sake they maybe should have had a little name-tag or one of those "HI! I'M Lex Luthor!" stickers on the back of his head.

Tornado

11-20-2008, 09:44 PM

Well, as for body type, do we really know what Lex would look like at this point? If we ever see his face again I'm sure it will be Rosenbaum's, but until then I think it's safe to assume he was probably crushed under the debris from the Fortress. That could have led to him being disfigured, or having to eat/drink through IV fluids (leading to fluctuations in weight), etc.

If it was anybody but Lex, I'm confident they would have made sure to give him hair. Otherwise, what's the point? There's no sense in teasing a loyal fan base of eight years to that extent.

chinball wizard

11-20-2008, 09:49 PM

amazing, i haven't posted in, seriously, forever, but my first thought was of the jlu animated series where brainiac and lex were merged; my theory (especially w/ how this season has progressed and geoff johns writing the next ep. legion, which is now so antagoniziinly so far away) that they are going to play off of that aspect; i mean like jor-el mentioned, brainiac is unpredictable so it's more than possible he has back-up plans upon back-up plans; i.e. doomsday doesn't kill clark, so he makes sure he and lex (lexiac?, sounds like a prescription drug) could then take him on...

anyway, as to echo most of everyone's sentiments', i'm glad s8 has returned to awesomeness, but alas, i fear **** chloe may be ****

Tornado

11-20-2008, 09:55 PM

chinball wizard

11-20-2008, 10:09 PM

also, i thought it was funny seeing kk perform kung-fu moves on oliver: w/ the recent release of mortal kombat vs. the dc univerise videogame, all i could think was that chun li(sp?) and a (ironic) streetfighter cross-over....i know, dumb thought, but still entertaining to me

King_of_Skid_Row

11-20-2008, 11:09 PM

Awesome episode! Lots of drama especially towards the end. Doomsday left his mark and poor Clark couldn't even lay a hand on him. Big D really is Supe's toughest foe in combat. I think he might need Justice League with him on this one. Otherwise, Death and Return of Superman is going to come much earlier than expected. I feel sorry for Chloe she was trying to have a happy wedding day and some evil creature of mass destruction wrecks everything.

Also...I was really hoping Clark and Lois would kiss. Last time they did it was only because they were under a power influence. This one would've been real and legit.

Overall superbe episode. I give it a 10/10.

Spirited Away

11-20-2008, 11:14 PM

I went back and read the spoiler you posted the other day Spirited, who did you hear was supposed to die? Jimmy? You didn't seriously think that would happen, did you? I'm sure Jimmy will be MIA for a while, but he'll be back before too long.
Nope, it was Chloe I thought who died. The "spoiler" was she is effectively turned into a zombie, but that didn't happen at all. Shows just how carried away I get... :(

Neverending

11-20-2008, 11:41 PM

I wanted to like this episode, but I couldn't. This episode reminded me of the Gough-Millar years. Not enough Doomsday and too much Lana. Also, I would have preferred if the Chloe-Jimmy wedding wasn't the main plot. What they should have done was focus more on Davis. See what he was up to and build up more to the transformation. Especially, as Tornado pointed out, there was some things that made no sense. Like...how does he know of the Fortress? Did Brianiac contact him? If so, then that should have been in the episode.

Tornado

11-20-2008, 11:44 PM

I agree that it felt a lot like a Gough/Millar episode. The pop music use at the end, the over-emphasis on Lana, the plot just moving along despite the fact we never saw how it could be (Doomsday finding the Fortress and Chloe apparently being taken by Brainiac again, and the random Lex appearance), Clark under-reacting to Chloe being kidnapped by a ****in' monster, etc.

But I still really enjoyed it. :)

EnderDeschain

11-21-2008, 12:00 AM

How did Clark underreact? We didn't see his reaction, just Green Arrow saying "that thing took Chloe" and then cut to the Fortress. I assume Doomsday knows about the Fortress because of his ties to Zod, who was tied to Brainiac, and I guess they've all got some sort of mystic ****in Kryptonian mind-meld or some ****. How did Zod's old lady look at a picture of Davis and immediately know it was her "son"? Brainiac evidently took over the Fortress somehow at the end of the episode before this one, when it all turned black, and Brainiac's mind-hoodoo with Chloe led her to Davis, so presumably his mind-hoodoo is tied with hers is tied with Davis's and bleh. Or maybe I'm overanalyzing.

Also, the use of pop music was actually effective this time. They overuse that ****, but when done right it can be rather cool. The biggest example of this to me was the end of Subterranean, which was a ****ty episode but remember at the end when they played that AFI song and had Lex walking down the hall of his meteor-freak prison? That was absolutely ****ing killer. Tonight's was pretty good too. As long as they don't do it every episode, a little pop-music-montage works well. Hell, even House does it sometimes.

Neverending

11-21-2008, 12:05 AM

Clark under-reacting to Chloe being kidnapped by a ****in' monster, etc.

And he went out like a b---h too. Doomsday punches him once, he flies across the room, and happens to fall next to kryptonite. :rolleyes: Couldn't they have had Clark ATLEAST land a punch or two? It didn't have to be (or should have been) a full out fight but atleast let the man land a punch.

EnderDeschain

11-21-2008, 12:06 AM

And I thought the wedding being the central focus was pretty damn effective too. Also the reintroduction of Lana. Are they supposed to just completely ignore that element of the past seven seasons entirely? Some actual closure might be nice, and seeing as how I don't read spoilers like you guys I don't know if she's actually gonna stick around and be a regular again or if she'll disappear after a few episodes. This adds intrigue, for me, and makes me want to see how it turns out. That's a good thing. Plus with the burgeoning Clark / Lois relationship it creates a whole new dynamic for Clark and Lana. Granted, that does create room for another horrible love-triangle type of storyline, but judging by what the writers have done so far this season I doubt they'll mishandle it as thoroughly as in the past.

And "random Lex appearance" as a complaint? Come on, dude! That was the coolest part!

EnderDeschain

11-21-2008, 12:08 AM

And he went out like a b---h too. Doomsday punches him once, he flies across the room, and happens to fall next to kryptonite. :rolleyes: Couldn't they have had Clark ATLEAST land a punch or two? It didn't have to be (or should have been) a full out fight but atleast let the man land a punch.

It's called build-up. I found that effective, too. Stopping Clark's punch like he did, then flinging him across the building and effectively neutralizing him shows right off the bat that this is a kind of threat Clark has never faced before. Which is exactly what Doomsday is, and should be. The big Main Event will come later, I'm sure, but for right now I think they did a pretty good job of setting up how much trouble Clark might be in when said Main Event comes.

Tornado

11-21-2008, 12:11 AM

Ender, I never said I was complaining that it felt like a Gough/Millar episode; I was just commenting that it did feel like one. You're putting words in my mouth.

Spirited Away

11-21-2008, 12:12 AM

A great mid-season cliffhanger (remember, that's what it is, the answers will come in January). One of the better episodes this season. Really liked Lois and Clark together, and the last two acts. Fantastic, especially the black Fortress scene!

And the question is: was that Lex Luthor, or possibly Darkseid?

Tornado

11-21-2008, 12:13 AM

It was Lex.

EnderDeschain

11-21-2008, 12:14 AM

Ender, I never said I was complaining that it felt like a Gough/Millar episode; I was just commenting that it did feel like one. You're putting words in my mouth.

Right on. I guess I just felt like arguing. My bad.

Neverending

11-21-2008, 12:15 AM

It's called build-up. I found that effective, too. Stopping Clark's punch like he did, then flinging him across the building and effectively neutralizing him shows right off the bat that this is a kind of threat Clark has never faced before. Which is exactly what Doomsday is, and should be. The big Main Event will come later, I'm sure, but for right now I think they did a pretty good job of setting up how much trouble Clark might be in when said Main Event comes.

I know it's build-up, but one punch doesn't hurt. Also...Clark, after 8 seasons, has yet to beat up a villain of importance. He always goes out like a b---h. Even in Zod he got his ass whopped. It's amazing that Superman Returns gets a lot of criticism because Superman didn't throw a bunch yet Smallville is allowed to get away with this nonsense. Dean Cain by episode 5 of L&C had already kicked more butt than Tom Welling in eight years of Smallville.

Tornado

11-21-2008, 12:16 AM

Well, when Clark finally stopped holding back he kicked the **** out of Titan. I think he's going to have to do the same (and probably on a much larger scale) to beat Doomsday.

Neverending

11-21-2008, 12:24 AM

The Clark-Doomsday fight has to be epic. I know this is TV and they're working on a TV budget but they need to figure out a way to give us one hell of a fight scene. If not, they are gonna get a major backlash.

Darth Maul

11-21-2008, 01:12 AM

Well Let me just say I wasn't disappointed by the episode and I liked it a lot.

Doomsday I thought was fine for what he is, I thought they did a good job bringing him on in live action for the first time? maybe he could of been bigger? but from the general look of him, they got the bony parts and spines good and his eye color. The noises were great too :)

On you're comment Tornado for how you were confused how he knew were the fortress in, if you remember Davis said in a previous that he has some link to Chloe, which I believe is Braniac? I remember that in the episode when Zods wife showed up she said something about Davis's link to Brainiac? I am not quite sure about which part it was but I remember it bieng mentioned. So in turn since Braniac technically took over the Fortress, Doomsday's link to him guided him to the fortress. Correct me if I am wrong by the way :P

Also was really digging the hint at Lex with the Dummy and just that part towards the end of the episode with him being hooked up to Ivys. On a side note, come on guys you're superman fans you know that's gotta be Lex :P I find it hard to believe and I mean no offense to anyone: think that it wasn't Lex in that chair..... who else is bald? heh.Unless its just a ploy for us to follow.

Another thing, the Lois and Clark bits were nicely done by the writers. They gave us more of hint of whats to come in the future but shut it off at the right moment so it wouldn't get ahead too far, im sure we will get more in the episodes to come...

Finally Lana, her bit was not that long I think some of you guys are still annoyed by her presence from the last seasons and a couple of minutes of her is like 5 years of pain :P shes only in a couple more episodes any ways :P Now who was she texting to on that blackberry is the real question?

All in all fantastic episode, digged that small taste of Doomsday. O for got to add in just now, Tornado when you said how you were disappointed about Clark being taken out early on, just to play devils advocate I think its cause he was surprised because Doomsday was able to stop Clark's right hook? but maybe im wrong. Don't worry I'm sure the writers are making up a epic fight in the works. They don't want to play all their cards yet.

Cant wait too see more... so January huh? that's lame.... lol I cant wait to see more guys. I hope they can keep this up!

Alien

11-21-2008, 06:16 AM

How do you figure? You always say the show jumped the shark, but it really didn't. The show did go through some major overhauls yeah, but nothing that really shook the very foundation of the show as the term implies.
The show jumped the shark with the whole, Lana's a witch thing but they seem to have made it back over the shark into some good stuff now.

Art_of_crime

11-21-2008, 07:02 AM

First off let me say that I have never been a huge Smallville fan. Second I am a very big fan of superman in the comics.
I watched last nights out of curiosity about Doomsday.
that said I enjoyed what I say last night. the show had its good moments and some bad ones.
The Doomsday costume looked a little rubbery, but I like that, I prefer it to a CG character any day.
Lana really didn't need to be there, and in fact she is one of the major things that has kept me from watching this show.
Erica Durance suddenly got really pretty, I don't know when that happened, but it was a welcome surprise.
The camera work at the attack of doomsday was a little to Cloverfield for my taste, I'm glad it didn't stay that way. the last thing this show needs is to take notes from the worst movie I have ever seen.
all in all a good episode. I might even watch the next one in january.

Tornado

11-21-2008, 08:19 AM

On you're comment Tornado for how you were confused how he knew were the fortress in, if you remember Davis said in a previous that he has some link to Chloe, which I believe is Braniac? I remember that in the episode when Zods wife showed up she said something about Davis's link to Brainiac? I am not quite sure about which part it was but I remember it bieng mentioned. So in turn since Braniac technically took over the Fortress, Doomsday's link to him guided him to the fortress. Correct me if I am wrong by the way :P

Will do! ;)

As far as we know/from what we've seen, Chloe was stripped of her Brainiac status in Abyss. Meaning, Doomsday's connection to Chloe was pretty much worthless in last night's episode until, presumably, Brainiac re-infected her in the final minutes of Bride.

unity768

11-21-2008, 10:07 AM

With True Blood ending its season this Sunday, Supernatural going on hiatus w/ Smallville..what can I watch? I must catch up with my Chuck episodes...

JheyDC

11-21-2008, 10:56 AM

One of the most thrilling and exciting episodes of Smallville.

First of, we know that a lot of fans and viewers will criticize how DDay looked. :meanie: There were a lot that thought he looked ok some of course didn't. I thought he looked awesome. :) He gave us the right feel. The scene where Davis was transforming into DDay was awesome. You can see the spike piercing through his skin. That scene was great.

The opening of the episode couldn't have been done better. I don't think CW has ever done anything like that. (Correct me if I'm wrong) The whole video footage gave us a feel of actually being there as it happens.

Green Arrow piercing a hole into Lex's dummy head, I thought was so out of character. :nono: I know it's hard to move on when you find out your parents or someone close was killed by someone you knew, but that is just not the Green Arrow way, just my opinion. And I believe there is more to this whole secret of Lex/Lana thing. :confused: That Post It looked like a girls writing. Of course anyone of Lex's accomplices could have written that, but I assumed immediately that it was Lana who set the whole thing up, to cover her tracks. I mean she is hiding something, we know that for sure.

Oh, how I hated every second of the whole Lana and Clark scene. I know it's a must; they need to finish her story line so we had to witness that whole thing. It's a good thing they still showed emotions for each other, also it’s a good thing they didn't skip that whole scene. It would have been weird if we didn't get a confrontation between the two. If we didn't, I think people would still react. Overall, they did a good job with the scene. :applaud:

And of course, the scene with Clark and Lois dancing; the way they looked at each other, I actually felt their passion for each other. I liked it when Lois was about to walk away, Clark grabs her and pulls her in to dance. :redface:
(I know corny, but that's me) They couldn't wait two seconds to introduce Lana so they could have kissed. :rolleyes: Anyway, we can't go into that too much. Funny how Lois was talking to Oliver and he goes "Because I know Clark."

So, Lex is back, for now, but standing on the sidelines. It makes you think how he got the video footage of that one camera. :rolleyes: That's Lex for you.

I believe we can say that DDay is connected to the fortress because Braniac has the powers to connect with him. :alien: Remember Davis does not have control when he turns into DDay. So, I would say, DDay is somewhat connected to Braniac. Chloe's scene with the Brainiac eyes was cool. I have a feeling we will get the old Chloe memory back pretty soon.

The preview for Legion looked awesome. Another great job Smallville! I will be re-watching Bride tonight, just for the heck of it and try to make sense of some unanswered questions I have.

Throughout the whole episode my heart was pumping so fast and I had goose bumps. It was cool how they followed the scenes with the video taping. Great Cliffhanger.

10 out of 10 :applaud:

Darth Maul

11-21-2008, 01:23 PM

Will do! ;)

As far as we know/from what we've seen, Chloe was stripped of her Brainiac status in Abyss. Meaning, Doomsday's connection to Chloe was pretty much worthless in last night's episode until, presumably, Brainiac re-infected her in the final minutes of Bride.

IM sure paart of Davis mind remembered where the wedding was from the invitatation he from chloe earlier, I mean he did say chloe in the doomsday form so that's got to support somewhat that part of Davis is somewhat active. That transformation wasn't too bad by the way. But do u agree that he found the fortress cause of braniac, the fact he took it over in the first place.

King_of_Skid_Row

11-21-2008, 02:32 PM

On the subject of Doomsday, I'm actually glad they are going the Del Toro route and using costuming for him instead of going the Lucas route and making him all CGI. He just looks better.

Tolkien

11-21-2008, 03:35 PM

With True Blood ending its season this Sunday, Supernatural going on hiatus w/ Smallville..what can I watch? I must catch up with my Chuck episodes...

Supernatural's on break,

Smallville's on break,

True Blood's season is ending,

Entourage's season is ending,

South Park's season has ended.

Damn, and I'm more of a TV man than a movie man, lmao.

Tornado

11-21-2008, 03:38 PM

I think I'll always prefer films, but I love (quality) television too.

Lost isn't back yet.

BSG isn't either.

Smallville is on break.

The Office will be on break shortly if it isn't already (I watch it online).

Californication has been pretty subpar this season.

Heroes... no comment. :(

All I've really got at the moment is Dexter, which isn't too far away from being done for the year.

Tolkien

11-21-2008, 03:55 PM

For me, my important shows start up next year;

BSG, 24, Lost and Big Love.

Right now, my current list of shows I'm keeping track of this season are;

Simpsons, Family Guy, American Dad, Desperate Housewives, Terminator, Prison Break, Chuck, Heroes, My Own Worst Enemy, House, Fringe, South Park, Smallville, Supernatural, The Office, 30 Rock, Grey's Anatomy, Ghost Whisperer, Star Wars: The Clone Wars & last but not least, Legend of the Seeker.

Don't get me wrong, I love films. But I'm just a continuity kind of guy, which is funny since I'm against unneed sequels and prequels, lol.

Darth Maul

11-21-2008, 04:00 PM

On the subject of Doomsday, I'm actually glad they are going the Del Toro route and using costuming for him instead of going the Lucas route and making him all CGI. He just looks better.

Yes cause del toro pioneered the man in suit. ;)

Tornado

11-21-2008, 04:12 PM

Tolkien

11-21-2008, 06:31 PM

Crap in a handbasket, thanks for the info. I completely forgot that this was the 21st. lol.

Yeah, it's gonna air on Sunday. I forgot to add it to my record list, lol.

Art_of_crime

11-21-2008, 06:40 PM

Tolkien

11-21-2008, 06:56 PM

Wow, thanks for quoting that, I forgot to add Life. I really enjoy that show and was glad that it was picked up for a full run. I also forgot to add Rescue Me for January (I think it's January), and my mid-season shows like Monk and Psych. So all in all, each year, my TV list is as follows;

The Simpsons
Family Guy
American Dad
Big Love
Desperate Housewives
Entourage
True Blood
Terminator
Prison Break
24
Chuck
Heroes
My Own Worst Enemy
House
Fringe
Lost
South Park
Smallville
Supernatural
Rescue Me
The Office
30 Rock
Grey's Anatomy
Battlestar Galactica
Ghost Whisperer
Star Wars: The Clone Wars
Legend of the Seeker
Monk
Psych

Spirited Away

11-21-2008, 07:15 PM

I have a feeling we will get the old Chloe memory back pretty soon.
Doomsday put her on the ice-table-thing Clark put her on in the last episode, so in all likelihood, her memory has been fully restored (and Brainiac probably reversed the memory erase).

Art_of_crime

11-21-2008, 08:47 PM

we'll know for sure in january. the rest I'm afraid is speculation

WuTical

11-21-2008, 09:56 PM

With True Blood ending its season this Sunday, Supernatural going on hiatus w/ Smallville..what can I watch? I must catch up with my Chuck episodes...

I currently watch: Entourage, True Blood, Dexter, Californication, Heroes, Prison Break, Terminator Sarah Connor Chronicles, The Shield, Sons of Anarchy, Smallville, The Office, & It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia.

and ya got Rescue Me, Damages, Nip Tuck and 24 returning in January.

Tolkien

11-22-2008, 02:04 AM

Wait, Damages wasn't canceled? Damn, thanks for the info.

EnderDeschain

11-22-2008, 10:27 AM

Goddamn, you guys watch a lot of TV. I have one show a night. Sun: True Blood. Mon: Heroes. Tue: House. Wed: The Ultimate Fighter. Thurs: Smallville. That's all the TV I watch. Obviously True Blood is a new addition, but the rest I've been watching for quite some time. My brother got me watching Entourage this season and it's pretty damn good, soon I'm gonna start watching his DVD's of the first few seasons. I'll probably put it on my regular-show list next year.

Was there a thread topic? Oh yeah, Smallville. It's pretty cool.

Tornado

11-22-2008, 10:52 AM

Sunday: NFL, Dexter, Californication
Monday: 24, Heroes, NFL
Tuesday: nada
Wednesday: Lost (airing on Wednesdays this year), Ghost Hunters
Thursday: Smallville, The Office
Friday: Battlestar Galactica
Saturday: nada

Oh boy!

Darth Maul

11-22-2008, 02:32 PM

Sunday: nothing, but soon to be dexter, I never got around to watching it.
Monday: Sarah Connor Chronicles. Heroes. also 24 i wanted to get into, never have yet.Fringe.
Tuesday: nothing.
Weds: Lost, ghost hunters also.
Thurs: Smallville, Supernatural
Friday: Nothing
sat:Nothing

King_of_Skid_Row

11-22-2008, 03:47 PM

I watch:

The Clone Wars
The Closer
Smallville
Heroes
Ghost Hunters
Sanctuary
Battlestar Galactica
Stargate Atlantis
Lost
Two and a Half Men
Family Guy

For December, I guess I'm just going to have to watch reruns and new episodes of Clone Wars.

JheyDC

11-22-2008, 06:16 PM

Doomsday put her on the ice-table-thing Clark put her on in the last episode, so in all likelihood, her memory has been fully restored (and Brainiac probably reversed the memory erase).

I sense a spat between Chloe and Clark in the near future! :omg:

King_of_Skid_Row

11-22-2008, 06:22 PM

Did anyone catch the hilarious sex joke in this episode?

Tornado

11-22-2008, 06:23 PM

I caught the sex joke (it was pretty obvious), but I didn't think it was that funny.

Maybe a little bit. ;)

Tolkien

11-22-2008, 06:34 PM

Oh yeah I caught it. Being a Lois/Erica fan, I actually backed up and watched that scene twice, lol.

Darth Maul

11-22-2008, 08:25 PM

Ya that was funny stuff.

Tornado

11-23-2008, 12:21 AM

Tornado's Thoughts on Where the Series Goes From Here
I will tag what is considered a spoiler, but everything else are my current thoughts and theories.

Before I start, I just want to briefly thank the new show runners: Kelly Souders, Brian Peterson, Todd Slavkin, and Darren Swimmer. They've done a fantastic job scrapping together a cohesive continuation from Season 7, even with the absence of two of the most prominent characters of the series in Lex Luthor and Lana Lang. I'll admit I was a little worried when I heard Gough and Millar would be stepping down; while Season 7 was probably the weakest of the batch, I still believed in their vision and had high hopes for Season 8. But at the same time, I continued to push for the end of the series as I'm sure many of you remember. I was a strong proponent of the idea that Clark should have been flying at least a season ago, and should have been embracing his destiny since Day 1.

And he had been, in my opinion, up until Season 7. When Lana returned to Smallville from China she and Clark took a shot at common domestic bliss, and subsequently the show took five steps back. King of Skid Row likes to call Season 7 the "jump the shark" season and I have to agree, but for different reasons. This was a Clark who, again in my opinion, was very close to being Superman in his ideals and sense of morality at the very least. And then, in what I consider to be one of the worst scenes in the series, Clark literally turned his back on his destiny.

When Rachel (guest star of Action) gave Clark the red cape, he took a hard look at it, set it on a fence post, and walked away. The faith I had in this show, the show I've been watching since I was in the 8th grade, was shaken to its very core. After being an avid viewer of the show for six seasons and some change at the time, I couldn't believe the producers would do something like that. And frankly, the season more or less went downhill after that. There were a handful of standout episodes after (Gemini, Persona, Siren, Traveler, and Descent), but I was convinced any glory days the show had were long behind it. And that, ultimately, was why I was opposed to an eighth season: it seemed like the show wasn't moving forward, and I didn't think changing up the very core of the show could possibly be a good thing at this point in time.

But boy, was I wrong! As stated above, handing over the reigns to a pack of long-time writers/producers was exactly the creative spark the show needed. And I feel that finally, for the first time since the first half of Season 5, the show is back on the right track and every character is seeing great progress - most of all, Clark. This show has always been the story of Clark, but up until this season I've felt he has been taking a back seat to whatever crisis was going on at the time for the past few years. The character hasn't been properly developed since the middle of Season 4/really early on in Season 5, and even that might be a bit of a stretch. This is a very exciting time for the show for a multitude of reasons, but the great advancements in Clark's character has been, by far, the best part of this season. But enough of my brown nosing, they're not reading this.

I think at this point in time, Season 8 could go a variety of ways. But, if I were writing the show, I think this is what I would do from here on out, planning for a ninth season.

First off, I wouldn't introduce Darkseid as it sounds like the producers are working up to that before season's end. Personally, I think this is a problem for two reasons. One, is that Doomsday is clearly this season's threat, and introducing this other character would completely upstage this fact. Two, is that this character has never been Clark's enemy, and is strictly a nemesis of Superman. Doomsday was the same way, and while I'm still a little wary over their interpretation of the character, he's worked out pretty well. But at the same time, they definitely did need to introduce someone new with Lex being absent; I just don't think I would've picked Doomsday, and I certainly wouldn't pick the character tagged above.

Secondly, I would stop introducing new DC comics characters unless I could somehow get the television rights to Bruce Wayne. It was neat when they introduced Bart Allen, and I really love the way they've handled Oliver Queen and Kara Zor-El (although, she and Clark being cousins made the concept a bit easier to handle than just introducing some random DC character). But Aquaman? Cyborg? Black Canary? Don't get me wrong, they're all a lot of fun, but how exactly does Clark stand to benefit from these people right now?

Thirdly, I would start closing loose ends on the show, so if Season 9 does go through I would have something of a fresh slate to work with. I don't want them to kill off Lana no matter how many times I've said they should before; but Clark needs to turn his back on Lana for good, not the other way around. I don't want to spend the rest of Season 8 and 9 thinking that Clark may still have lingering feelings for her in the back of his head. And when she does leave this season, that's it. No more random appearances; although I'd tolerate seeing her in the series finale, but only in one way. Assuming Clark becomes Superman next season, it'd be kind of nice to see the reactions across the world from random people (maybe his first act will be broadly televised), but I'd also like to see Lana, Martha, and Pete show up again if this were to happen.

To continue with the tying up of loose ends, no more Green Arrow after this season, or any other DC-related characters aside from the norms (Lois, Jimmy, etc.). GA can leave for the time being in the finale this season or one of the episodes leading up to it. Personally, I don't really want to see some big battle between the Justice League/Legionnaires and whatever team Tess is building. That's not what the show is about. In my version of the finale, we'd see Clark and Doomsday battle it out for real (in broad daylight with spectators). Clark would either fly during this fight, or has learned to fly earlier in the season. I'd also take this opportunity to introduce a very basic version of the costume, something just to throw off Lois and Jimmy for the time being. Doomsday would be eradicated for the time being (Clark could kill him, and the Manhunter could take him deep into space), but Clark would die as well. I wouldn't do the Super-men storyline of the comics, but I wouldn't bring Clark back until the second or third episode of the ninth season.

I'd use the premiere for Clark's funeral - bring back Martha, Pete, Lana (just for the episode, no further return and little to do in this one episode), the Justice League, the Legionnaires, etc. When Clark comes back a few months later, he's basically Superman. No true costume yet, but he's completed his training with Jor-El (he did start it last year by watching over Kara after all, shockingly) and has moved on to dealing with more epic crises as well as staying to the small time stuff. Superman Returns did it quite well in the brief video montage seen in the Daily Planet; the reporter talked about Superman pretty much being everywhere, as no event was too small for him to deal with.

I'd also re-introduce Lex in the ninth season. If I couldn't get Michael Rosenbaum back, I would probably re-cast the part and just make the claim he had to take on a new body after the arctic crushed his old one or something. Terrible idea, yes. But I think Lex needs to come back into the show on a permanent basis; just think about how much better even this season would be with Lex instead of Tess.

One thing I'd like to see in this series that I'm not sure we will is Clark telling Lois his secret. In the comics and even Lois and Clark, Lois was Clark's greatest confidante. And with the chemistry between Tom and Erica, I think that trend would carry over nicely into this show. I don't want to see them married as that'd be going too far in this show (unless they did an epilogue at the end of the series finale or something), but them in a loving relationship would be a fitting end to the dynamic between the two in the series.

I'd bring back Martha in the final episodes to make Clark's final Superman suit before he formally dons the tights in the series finale. Off topic, but Chloe would have died by this point. I'm not sure how or in which season, but now that she seems to have forgotten about Clark's greater purpose I'm not sure how much of a fan of their new (old?) dynamic I am now. Once you've had prime rib, it's not as much fun to go back to cod fillet (also, I hate fish). I don't know that I want Brainiac to eventually drain and kill her body, but I wouldn't be opposed to Lex killing her at some point before the show is over. Personally, I know they hate each other, but I still think that if Lex went to Clark and told him he really wanted to change Clark would buy it and try to help him. And I don't think that should be the case between these two; Clark won't kill Lex, but at the same time he needs to think Lex is beyond saving. Lex killing Chloe would be the absolute final nail in the proverbial coffin of their friendship.

I think Season 9 has a lot of potential as long as that's it; I don't see how they could possibly go on for ten seasons with how much ground they've gained so far this season.

Tornado

11-23-2008, 01:13 AM

Also, for those who don't already own them the first six seasons are $15 a piece on Amazon right now.

unity768

11-23-2008, 10:11 AM

I agree with everything accept for Lex being re-casted. Can't do that, they have to spend the big dough on Rosenbaum or don't have Lex. The Chloe idea is prob the best idea you have..the \S/ on the suit could also mean \S/ullivan? Lol I duno, but I like the idea.

Tornado

11-23-2008, 11:02 AM

Believe me, I wouldn't want to re-cast the part. But I don't think Rosenbaum would come back on a long term basis unless they just threw a lucrative 13-episode contract at him or something, and I truthfully do think the character needs to be around for Season 9.

I think if they went to Michael and said, "Look, here's a big sack of money, we need you back. We'll shoot an entire season's worth of your scenes over two weeks, and then you're done for good," he would sign on. I think it's the constant shaving/not being able to find other work that turned him off for Season 8.

EnderDeschain

11-23-2008, 11:13 AM

Goddamn, dude. Good read. Makes a lot of sense. I disagree about the flying part, though. He shouldn't learn to fly until the last episode or two. In a fight with Doomsday, how important would flying be anyway? But you're right about Lex being a necessary ingredient for next season, and although your recasting idea absolutely sucks (no offense) it may well turn out to be a necessary evil. Horrible as it is, it's better than no Lex at all. One season without him works, and actually sort of serves to reinforce his importance to the mythos, but trying to go any further just wouldn't fly (haha), I don't think. You're correct, they should just give Rosenbaum a tanker truck full of cash and finish it off right.

As far as the "Death Of" idea, I feel sorta meh about that. Characters dying and coming back always sucks. But if it's done right I suppose it could work, especially if more is made of Clark's role in the world this season and we get to see the effects of his absence when he's "dead." That could go a long way toward further reinforcing his need to embrace his destiny. So maybe it won't suck.

The Lex killing Chloe thing is an absolute must, in my mind. She has to die, but anyone else killing her would be underwhelming to say the least. I agree in that if it's Brainiac who offs her, it'll suck. Well not suck necessarily, it could be done capably, but it just won't feel right. Anyway, I wholly support you being signed on to the creative team for next season and will give my endorsement to anyone who cares. Which is no one at all. But hey, it's the thought that counts, right?

JheyDC

11-24-2008, 10:11 AM

Pretty interesting sum up Tornado.

I like your idea of bringing back Pete and Martha onto the show, it can give us a feel that the story still includes them since they are a part of Clarks's life. I'm in the middle with the whole Clark being dead thing. I don't know how the show can benefit from that. (no offense) I mean, why does he need to die? I don't understand your logic. Please specify a little more. As for Lex, I do believe they need to bring him back but I would have to agree with what Enderdeschain said, it's either Michael Rossenbaum or no Lex at all. I think they just need to offer him more money and for sure he'll jump on board. I mean, what other role/movie is he in now? I don't think I've seen him in any.

I believe many of us agree that Chloe will be dead by Season 9, I think this is a must if Lex does kill her, then it would definitely be the kick off for Clark in embracing his whole Superman Destiny.

Overall, good thoughts and great ideas Tornado, thanks for sharing.

King_of_Skid_Row

11-24-2008, 11:42 AM

Actually according to the writers, he's supposed to embrace his destiny in Season 8. That's the whole point of the season. The buildup to him being the big S.

Spirited Away

11-25-2008, 08:01 PM

Production is just about to start on Episode 815, there are some pretty big spoilers:

'Identity' is a "what if?" episode. Linda Lake (Tori Spelling) publishes Clark's secret to the world. Everybody now knows his secret -- even that he's from Krypton -- and so Clark starts using his powers in broad daylight. The military then seem to turn on him. There's even a scene that's like the machine gun scene from Superman Returns!

Casting sides: http://spoilertv-smallville.blogspot.com/2008/11/episode-815-infamous-casting-sides.html

Spirited Away

11-25-2008, 08:13 PM

Scratch the "what if?" part, it looks like it happens for real.

King_of_Skid_Row

11-25-2008, 08:50 PM

Yeah, that would happen in real life. The U.S government would want to destroy Superman.

RingWraith2k4

11-25-2008, 09:02 PM

Question: Who from the Legion of Superheroes will be making appearances in Smallville next year?

Spirited Away

11-25-2008, 09:16 PM

http://img155.imageshack.us/img155/8789/smallville2sr5.jpg
L-R: Saturn Girl, Lightening Lad and Cosmic Boy.

Tornado

11-25-2008, 09:44 PM

Yeah, that would happen in real life. The U.S government would want to destroy Superman.

Get the **** out of here Skid Row. We don't all want to read spoilers dumbass. :mad:

EnderDeschain

11-25-2008, 10:23 PM

That picture up there is spoilery too. I don't mean to *****, but I like talking about this show, but this thread way more than my other show's threads is very spoilerific. I don't understand why anyone would wanna look ahead anyway. I know there's a Smallville site somewhere where they post **** months in advance and exert obscene amounts of energy trying to find out spoilers up to like two seasons away. Why would anyone want to know that ****? I mean I guess it kinda help build anticipation, maybe, if you know something cool is coming, but for me it's always better to just let it play.

Tornado

11-25-2008, 10:40 PM

I don't mind the picture so much as that was in the trailer after Bride, but anything related to an episode not seen on TV needs to be tagged from now on. If not, I will report said user to JBond or Frizzo and they can deal with you. And Skid Row, I'm sure you're on thin ice as it is.

Neverending

11-26-2008, 12:11 AM

Spirited Away

11-26-2008, 10:05 AM

Stuff from the promos isn't spoiler, as it's the network knowingly releasing it.

Alien

11-26-2008, 10:06 AM

Scratch the "what if?" part, it looks like it happens for real.
But if it happens for real doesn't that mean there'll be a dumb deus ex machina to make the world forget who he is?

Spirited Away

11-26-2008, 05:00 PM

Yes. I'm guessing. But DC Comics has hundreds of these at their disposal.

EnderDeschain

11-26-2008, 05:10 PM

Stuff from the promos isn't spoiler, as it's the network knowingly releasing it.

Yeah, sorry for the false accusation. I didn't see the preview so I didn't know it was in it, but you're right.

Tornado

11-27-2008, 03:47 PM

Woo, I've actually got the time to respond to these finally. :)

Goddamn, dude. Good read. Makes a lot of sense. I disagree about the flying part, though. He shouldn't learn to fly until the last episode or two. In a fight with Doomsday, how important would flying be anyway? But you're right about Lex being a necessary ingredient for next season, and although your recasting idea absolutely sucks (no offense) it may well turn out to be a necessary evil. Horrible as it is, it's better than no Lex at all. One season without him works, and actually sort of serves to reinforce his importance to the mythos, but trying to go any further just wouldn't fly (haha), I don't think. You're correct, they should just give Rosenbaum a tanker truck full of cash and finish it off right.

Believe me, no offense taken. Re-casting Lex is something I hope they don't have to resort to, as I feel he is probably the second-best casting choice on the show (nobody tops Tom IMO) and I'd hate to see all of his work undermined in favor of someone else to step into the shoes to play the real Lex Luthor we know and love/hate (I think S7 Lex was very close to the Luthor from the comics, but not quite there yet.... very close though).

As far as the "Death Of" idea, I feel sorta meh about that. Characters dying and coming back always sucks. But if it's done right I suppose it could work, especially if more is made of Clark's role in the world this season and we get to see the effects of his absence when he's "dead." That could go a long way toward further reinforcing his need to embrace his destiny. So maybe it won't suck.

Right. I think in Clark's absence it'd be great to see a huge increase in crime across Metropolis, and for Clark to come back to that more determined than ever. This season has made great strides in moving Clark forward, and I am of the near universal opinion that (aside from the tights and flight) he is closer than ever to being Superman. Clark dying and coming back would only, if I were at least guiding the development, stand to re-enforce that ideal.

The Lex killing Chloe thing is an absolute must, in my mind. She has to die, but anyone else killing her would be underwhelming to say the least. I agree in that if it's Brainiac who offs her, it'll suck. Well not suck necessarily, it could be done capably, but it just won't feel right. Anyway, I wholly support you being signed on to the creative team for next season and will give my endorsement to anyone who cares. Which is no one at all. But hey, it's the thought that counts, right?

Thanks pal. :)

Pretty interesting sum up Tornado.

I like your idea of bringing back Pete and Martha onto the show, it can give us a feel that the story still includes them since they are a part of Clarks's life. I'm in the middle with the whole Clark being dead thing. I don't know how the show can benefit from that. (no offense) I mean, why does he need to die? I don't understand your logic. Please specify a little more.

As I kind of suggested above, Clark is closer than ever to becoming the Superman we know and love. I think he is starting to come to terms with his destiny, but I'm not sure he understands exactly how grand of a purpose he stands to serve. This is of course assuming he might be dealing with more global events by season's end, if he came back from the dead to find a universal spike in crime he may be more motivated than ever to finally drop the game-playing completely and embrace his destiny in full. The one thing I am very proud of the show for is building Clark's relationship with the people of Earth; he needs to live out his destiny because of want, not need. And I think in combination with his Earthly relationships and a huge spike in crime, that would become inevitable. Maybe Lex could kill Chloe while Clark is dead or something, I don't know.

Actually according to the writers, he's supposed to embrace his destiny in Season 8. That's the whole point of the season. The buildup to him being the big S.

I'm definitely not suggesting I don't buy into S8's huge strides, but the producers called S5 "Superman in training," and that certainly wasn't the case outside of the first three episodes. S8 is moving the character in the perfect direction, but I think a S9 would only push him further. He's close, though.

King_of_Skid_Row

11-28-2008, 11:40 AM

You know, if Clark is going to protect identity until he becomes a full fledged pro he might need a beginners costume. Maybe one these:

http://www.supermanhomepage.com/multimedia/Wallpaper-Images2/mbailey-bluered.jpg

He could face Doomsday wearing one of those. If Doomsday is going to be causing havoc in the city where a lot of people are around, Clark is going to need to wear something to protect his identity. But judging from spoilers, he isn't and his identity going to be revealed.

WuTical

11-28-2008, 10:35 PM

This is still what bothers me to no end about this show. How in the world is he going to become Superman with everyone already seeing his face? In the comics, everyone met him with the glasses etc...Just because he is gonna wear a suit, everyone is still gonna know it's Clark. I don't think they ever had the intention of making Smallville's Clark Superman ever.

Darth Maul

11-28-2008, 10:36 PM

cant superman wipe peoples memory's? :P

WuTical

11-28-2008, 10:58 PM

cant superman wipe peoples memory's? :P

yeah...he'll wipe out all of Metropolis and Smallville

Darth Maul

11-28-2008, 10:59 PM

yeah...he'll wipe out all of Metropolis and Smallville

they don't call him super for nothing right? :P

EvilOnTwoLegs

11-29-2008, 12:35 AM

The only way that Clark would be able to make everyone forget about him and his abilities, would be for him to do that kiss that Reeve as Superman/Clark gave to Lois in Superman 2. That'd be ALOTTA kissing though.

As for how I feel with s8 so far, I think it's been good, not great. Having Doomsday wreak havok and see how Clark has to stop him should be cool.

Spirited Away

12-03-2008, 09:22 AM

A major WTF alert: http://www.kryptonsite.com/forums/showpost.php?p=4213297&postcount=1

JheyDC

12-03-2008, 10:03 AM

^ Wow, that is a lot of stuff to take in.

We all want to see Tom wear the whole Red & Blue, but we all know why he can't.

"There are some issues with "actor availability." After 8 years playing Superboy. Tom 31, may undestandably be ready to fly off into grown-uproles."

Okay, who saw this coming? We all knew TW would want out sooner or later. I just hoped its the latter. IMO, it would definitely be hard for him to star as anyone else. I mean, when I saw him in that movie Cheaper by The Dozen it was a little awkward, and having his wife play the mother in the movie didn't help. I kept seeing him as Clark. I don't understand why anyone would want out in a great show that's part of a really creative series. I guess money plays a big role in these type of situation. :eek:

"The CW series has another challenge:It's starting to feel more and more like Lois & Clark"

Well of course you can't escape that comparison, it's part of the whole Superman world. No matter what you do with the show, there will always be comparison. It's the characters and the storyline that matters and stick out in this show. :)

"Swimmer argues that "there's not much of resemblance" between the two series."

I agree with this statement. Anyone who's working on/with Smallville will argue this. Not a lot of people understand that this show is all about the progression/history of boy Clark into Superman. ;)

"If negotiations fail for a ninth season, Swimmer suggest a Smallville spin-off starring
Phill Morris[John Jones AKA the Martian Manhunter], who next appears January 22. Cracks the producer, " A Martian Manhunter Variety Hour might be fun!"

Okay, the Martian Manhunter is a really great character to have in Smallville, but having him take over the show, I don't think would fit in. I understand Swimmer is just throwing it out there but he has to have better ideas than that. :nono:

I really hope they finish up with the line up for S9, if they are going to have it. It sucks if they have to sum up everything in S8 and cram everything. S8 would end badly. :waa:

JheyDC

12-03-2008, 10:10 AM

Right. I think in Clark's absence it'd be great to see a huge increase in crime across Metropolis, and for Clark to come back to that more determined than ever. This season has made great strides in moving Clark forward, and I am of the near universal opinion that (aside from the tights and flight) he is closer than ever to being Superman. Clark dying and coming back would only, if I were at least guiding the development, stand to re-enforce that ideal.

As I kind of suggested above, Clark is closer than ever to becoming the Superman we know and love. I think he is starting to come to terms with his destiny, but I'm not sure he understands exactly how grand of a purpose he stands to serve. This is of course assuming he might be dealing with more global events by season's end, if he came back from the dead to find a universal spike in crime he may be more motivated than ever to finally drop the game-playing completely and embrace his destiny in full. The one thing I am very proud of the show for is building Clark's relationship with the people of Earth; he needs to live out his destiny because of want, not need. And I think in combination with his Earthly relationships and a huge spike in crime, that would become inevitable. Maybe Lex could kill Chloe while Clark is dead or something, I don't know..

Now you're talking. You have really great inputs there Tornado, I would agree with EnderDeschain, can you like 'help' write S9, I think the show would benefit a lot from you man. It's this creative thinking that the show needs. Thumbs up to you Tornado.:applaud:

Tornado

12-03-2008, 03:24 PM

Haha, thanks. If only you and Ender had some input with the producers. ;) :D

And I briefly skimmed over your spoiler post (I tried to avoid the bold parts as I assume that was part of an interview with Swimmer, Slavkin, or someone else). I think they could wrap up the series before S8 is done (they should extend it to 24 episodes though just to get the most out of it if that ends up being the case), but I think most would agree with me when I say I actually want a ninth season now.

Since we know the Legionnaires are coming to the show in the next episode back, and Lois will presumably miss the next handful of episodes because she's taking care of Jimmy elsewhere (she and Aaron never shoot the full 22 episodes, so it's to be expected), they're going to have a fair amount of ground to cover in the following 11 (probable) episodes. Because my semester is more or less over as I have no more tests, papers, projects, quizzes, or etc., I don't feel guilty about sitting here for the next hour or so mulling over the end of the season. Please keep in mind that I do not follow spoilers anymore, so I won't be factoring in anything on K-Site or SpoilerTV as I have done my best not to read anything aside from the official press releases. Here are my thoughts. :)

811 Legion - Legionnaires come to town as I said above and as we saw in the preview following Bride. I don't really know anything about the Legionnaires so I can't say too much, other than I know they're friends of Superman in the 31st century or something. I think it's interesting they're doing something like this, but I think this could be beneficial for Clark as the Legion could serve to push him even further toward his destiny, or at the very least push him toward figuring out a costume.

812 - 819 - These would be a busy handful of shows as there is a lot of ground to cover before the series presumably ends. First off, I'd have Clark go to the Fortress and fight Doomsday again, killing him this time (remember, every time Dooms dies he comes back stronger). Brainiac would remove itself from Chloe (taking the shape of Milton Fine for the final time), and an enraged Clark would completely destroy him for taking over Chloe. I'd also let Clark learn to fly, although I'm not sure how exactly that power would let itself out of his system. Maybe in order for the Manhunter to regain his powers he must go to Mars, and the only way to get there is for Clark to fly him there or something (I don't know, but he needs to learn to fly and John needs his powers back).

Clark would come out to Lois and they'd discuss the feelings they have for each other. I'm not suggesting they get married this season or anything like that, but let's cut through the fluff and put them together. It's obvious they both love each other, so why keep playing games? I think it'd be great for Clark to explain who he is, but then have Lois not believe it until he picks her up and flies along the skyline (this could be in the 19th episode so we won't see the two together for long). Clark would start wearing glasses at work and in public (not around Lois or Chloe though) to disguise his eventual identity. He wouldn't tell Jimmy his secret, and while Jimmy has known Clark for several years without glasses, I think the disguise would fool him enough considering he thinks he's seen the 'Red-Blue-Blur' and Clark at the same time.

I'd probably introduce Wonder Woman too assuming there was an extra episode in there somewhere (I obviously didn't include everything I'd want to do as that would take longer than a couple of hours).

820 - 821 - These two episodes leading up to the finale would be focused on two things: Clark fighting Doomsday, and Clark's resulting funeral. Clark would kill Doomsday, and the Manhunter would take Dooms into the farthest reaches of space, so when he does come back to life he's not anywhere near Earth. One thing I'd like to see that was done in the Superman: Animated Series (I think it was that anyway) is a nice acknowledgment from Clark about how much he holds back in a fight. I think the quote was something like, "I feel like I live in a world made of cardboard. No matter what I do, I always have to hold back. But I don't have to do that with you, do I? This is a rare situation for me; I can finally let loose and really show these people what I'm capable of."

But Clark is killed at the end of 820 (let's call it... Doomsday for the double meaning - the creature, and a doomsday of sorts for Earth when Clark is killed). The next episode (how about... Grave) would focus 100% on Clark's funeral and the aftermath in Metropolis. They could take this opportunity to bring back Martha, Pete, Kara, and Lana. I think it'd be best that the public doesn't find out Clark is the 'Red-Blue-Blur' or whoever Clark's current secret identity is. Lois is beyond traumatized, even more so than Martha or Chloe.

822 Destiny (90 minute episode, 2 hour time slot) - To start, I'd like to see a series-summing-up in the "Previously on Smallville." It'd be great to see the perspective the current producers have on the series as a whole. Anyway...

One year later. The show would kick off basically showing the characters going through the daily motions (we'd also see Perry as the Chief at the Planet, Lois has a scene with him or something), still doing their best to move on from Clark. Eventually we'd see Chloe confront Lex about his newest evil endeavor (nothing related to land, please) before he ultimately kills her. Shortly thereafter (in my idea, I'm not doing the Return of the Supermen nonsense with Steel and Superboy and whatever), a meteor hits Smallville just outside the Kent farm, which Martha has moved back into after his funeral. It's Clark, even more powerful and determined than ever before. After the reunion with his mother and the explanation of what happened to him, he leaves to see Lois. After another heartfelt reunion, she tells him Lex killed Chloe. I'm not sure how I would order everything after that, but over the next 40 minutes or so (assuming about 20 minutes of the 90 minutes had elapsed prior to these scenes) we'd see a few things:

Chloe's funeral, where Clark pours dirt over her grave (Lana and the rest of the departed co. are also here)
Clark confronting Lex one last time before he dons the tights; Lex doesn't seem particularly remorseful over his crime, Clark tells him the road he has gone down has been his fault entirely, and that he has given up on him completely
Clark discusses potential ideas for his costume with Lois and Martha
Since it has been so integral to these past few seasons, I'd like to see the ultimate creation of the Justice League (Clark comes up with the name, preferably); since they won't have been able to introduce Bruce because of the rights being tied up in the Nolan franchise, Oliver should make some kind of a reference to Batman - "We've been in contact with a potential recruit in Gotham City too; you'll have to meet him sometime. He's got a bit of a dark personality, but he means well." The final "Smallville" roster would be Clark, Oliver, Bart, Arthur, Victor, Dinah, and Diana (Wonder Woman) with Bruce waiting in the wings.
Clark would go to the Fortress and have a lengthy discussion with Jor-El about his destiny, where he has been, and where he is going before the two part on good, strong terms (Clark calling Jor-El "Father" in Abyss was a huge step forward for the character as I'm sure you all know)

An interesting idea was brought up in the comic "Birthright." Lex created a window or a portal or something to Krypton, and Clark managed to tell his parents he made it and their efforts were successful before the window closed. I'm not sure this should be done in the show, but I wouldn't be disappointed in the slightest if it did.

Personally, I think the last scene should be between Clark and Lois talking about their plans for the evening or something. They're happily together, but Lois still makes fun of Clark in her loving fashion. The nice thing about this is that they've been acting for the past four years the way I hope they'll act when they are together, so it won't be too big of a leap at all. Anyway, some kind of a crisis will break out before Lois jokingly tells him he should go take care of that. Clark leaves, runs down a street, and does the shirt-rip before we hear the WHOOSH! of flight. Lois and the Daily Planet workers come running into the street. "What is that? A bird?" "A plane?" Lois smiles in a moment of realization and quietly chimes in with, "It's Superman." Fade to black. Fade back in, Clark does the classic Christopher Reeve fly-by in space, and smiles at the camera. Fade out. "Smallville" is finished.

JheyDC

12-03-2008, 03:55 PM

Ok, can I say wow? You just concluded the whole of S8 like it was nothing! Does your brain feel like it's going to explode? ;) My thoughts shortly...

Tornado

12-03-2008, 04:04 PM

I'm a little tired, yeah. :funny: I'm curious to hear your thoughts, either on what I wrote or what you'd like to do.

JheyDC

12-03-2008, 04:38 PM

812 - 819 - These would be a busy handful of shows as there is a lot of ground to cover before the series presumably ends. First off, I'd have Clark go to the Fortress and fight Doomsday again, killing him this time (remember, every time Dooms dies he comes back stronger). Brainiac would remove itself from Chloe (taking the shape of Milton Fine for the final time), and an enraged Clark would completely destroy him for taking over Chloe. I'd also let Clark learn to fly, although I'm not sure how exactly that power would let itself out of his system. Maybe in order for the Manhunter to regain his powers he must go to Mars, and the only way to get there is for Clark to fly him there or something (I don't know, but he needs to learn to fly and John needs his powers back).

Ok, knowing that he's so angry, I can't see why not to his whole flying thing. It is his best friend and everything and he is willing to do anything to save her.

Clark would come out to Lois and they'd discuss the feelings they have for each other. I'm not suggesting they get married this season or anything like that, but let's cut through the fluff and put them together. It's obvious they both love each other, so why keep playing games? I think it'd be great for Clark to explain who he is, but then have Lois not believe it until he picks her up and flies along the skyline (this could be in the 19th episode so we won't see the two together for long). Clark would start wearing glasses at work and in public (not around Lois or Chloe though) to disguise his eventual identity. He wouldn't tell Jimmy his secret, and while Jimmy has known Clark for several years without glasses, I think the disguise would fool him enough considering he thinks he's seen the 'Red-Blue-Blur' and Clark at the same time.

Although, it would be hard to hide his glasses from Lois and Chloe, how would this benefit? I mean, Chloe knows who he is? and you wanted Lois to know who he is? Also, they do the whole flying scene in the movie, not sure if they can do that...

I'd probably introduce Wonder Woman too assuming there was an extra episode in there somewhere (I obviously didn't include everything I'd want to do as that would take longer than a couple of hours).

Sounds like this is our filler of the week episode. Can't complain, they need to be connected sooner or later.

820 - 821 - These two episodes leading up to the finale would be focused on one thing: Clark fighting Doomsday, and Clark's resulting funeral. Clark would kill Doomsday, and the Manhunter would take Dooms into the farthest reaches of space, so when he does come back to life he's not anywhere near Earth. One thing I'd like to see that was done in the Superman: Animated Series (I think it was that anyway) is a nice acknowledgment from Clark about how much he holds back in a fight. I think the quote was something like, "I feel like I live in a world made of cardboard. No matter what I do, I always have to hold back. But I don't have to do that with you, do I? This is a rare situation for me; I can finally let loose and really show these people what I'm capable of."

You know, the whole death of Clark works really well with this line up. Since DDay is super strong, Clark put all his effort and power into defeating DDay leading up to his own demise. And..who was he talking to with that quote? very interesting...

But Clark is killed at the end of 820 (let's call it... Doomsday for the double meaning - the creature, and a doomsday of sorts for Earth when Clark is killed). The next episode (how about... Grave) would focus 100% on Clark's funeral and the aftermath in Metropolis. They could take this opportunity to bring back Martha, Pete, Kara, and Lana. I think it'd be best that the public doesn't find out Clark is the 'Red-Blue-Blur' or whoever Clark's current secret identity is. Lois is beyond traumatized, even more so than Martha or Chloe.

I like the whole play on words with Doomsday. The idea of bringing back the old characters will give us the feel of reconnecting with Smallville

822 Destiny (90 minute episode, 2 hour time slot) - To start, I'd like to see a series-summing-up in the "Previously on Smallville." It'd be great to see the perspective the current producers have on the series as a whole. Anyway...

This sounds like a Season Premiere ;) Kind of like a flashback. Flashbacks are good if they are made right!

One year later. The show would kick off basically showing the characters going through the daily motions (we'd also see Perry as the Chief at the Planet, Lois has a scene with him or something), still doing their best to move on from Clark. Eventually we'd see Chloe confront Lex about his newest evil endeavor (nothing related to land, please) before he ultimately kills her. Shortly thereafter (in my idea, I'm not doing the Return of the Supermen nonsense with Steel and Superboy and whatever), a meteor hits Smallville just outside the Kent farm, which Martha has moved back into after his funeral. It's Clark, even more powerful and determined than ever before. After the reunion with his mother and the explanation of what happened to him, he leaves to see Lois. After another heartfelt reunion, she tells him Lex killed Chloe. I'm not sure how I would order everything after that, but over the next 40 minutes or so (assuming about 20 minutes of the 90 minutes had elapsed prior to these scenes) we'd see a few things:

Though the idea of having another Meteor shower at the exact same place is the perfect come back for Clark, I think would be too repetetive. Maybe have him come from the Fortress somewhere in space or something and just show up when they least expect. Like when Lois is in trouble or something.

Chloe's funeral, where Clark pours dirt over her grave (Lana and the rest of the departed co. are also here)
Clark confronting Lex one last time before he dons the tights; Lex doesn't seem particularly remorseful over his crime, Clark tells him the road he has gone down has been his fault entirely, and that he has given up on him completely
Clark discusses potential ideas for his costume with Lois and Martha

This would definitely take up two episodes with the whole funeral and confrontation of Lex, to picking out his costume. Since its a sad moment for Clark and company. He needs time to heal and stuff...

Since it has been so integral to these past few seasons, I'd like to see the ultimate creation of the Justice League (Clark comes up with the name, preferably); since they won't have been able to introduce Bruce because of the rights being tied up in the Nolan franchise, Oliver should make some kind of a reference to Batman - "We've been in contact with a potential recruit in Gotham City too; you'll have to meet him sometime. He's got a bit of a dark personality, but he means well." The final "Smallville" roster would be Clark, Oliver, Bart, Arthur, Victor, Dinah, and Diana (Wonder Woman) with Bruce waiting in the wings.

This my friend, would be the ultimate episode for me. Plenty of action. Just having them all together like that, unity, well it brings tears to my eyes *tears

Clark would go to the Fortress and have a lengthy discussion with Jor-El about his destiny, where he has been, and where he is going before the two part on good, strong terms (Clark calling Jor-El "Father" in Abyss was a huge step forward for the character as I'm sure you all know)

I was thinking maybe since, he was killed, the Fortress would have been also? Right? But couldn't agree more to that episode, we rarely got scenes like these with Jor-El and Clark in previous Seasons..

An interesting idea was brought up in the comic "Birthright." Lex created a window or a portal or something to Krypton, and Clark managed to tell his parents he made it and their efforts were successful before the window closed. I'm not sure this should be done in the show, but I wouldn't be disappointed in the slightest if it did.

This would be a great scene just because. Giving his parents the closure they need and letting them know that they did the right thing of sending him to Earth, to save mankind.

[Personally, I think the last scene should be between Clark and Lois talking about their plans for the evening or something. They're happily together, but Lois still makes fun of Clark in her loving fashion. The nice thing about this is that they've been acting for the past four years the way I hope they'll act when they are together, so it won't be too big of a leap at all. Anyway, some kind of a crisis will break out before Lois jokingly tells him he should go take care of that. Clark leaves, runs down a street, and does the shirt-rip before we hear the WHOOSH! of flight. Lois and the Daily Planet workers come running into the street. "What is that? A bird?" "A plane?" Lois smiles in a moment of realization and quietly chimes in with, "It's Superman." Fade to black. Fade back in, Clark does the classic Christopher Reeve fly-by in space, and smiles at the camera. Fade out. "Smallville" is finished.

This sounds like a rip off from Spider Man eh? Well maybe some parts...

Dude, you have a great mind. With all these thoughts..Though you forget, CW has a very tight budget. Would love to see all this happen. If not in S8 maybe S9

Tornado

12-03-2008, 05:04 PM

Although, it would be hard to hide his glasses from Lois and Chloe, how would this benefit? I mean, Chloe knows who he is? and you wanted Lois to know who he is? Also, they do the whole flying scene in the movie, not sure if they can do that...

Ah, you got me. I forgot for a minute that Chloe doesn't know Clark's secret anymore. I guess he would need to wear glasses around her as well. But yeah, I hope Clark tells Lois his secret before series' end. The glasses are only there to throw off the people who don't know who he is (Lex, Chloe, Jimmy, etc.).

Also, I should have mentioned I would bring back Lex almost immediately after Legion. That's probably not going to happen, but I hope he shows up again at some point this season if not next (assuming there is a 'next').

And..who was he talking to with that quote? very interesting...

He was talking to Darkseid when he used that quote.

Though the idea of having another Meteor shower at the exact same place is the perfect come back for Clark, I think would be too repetetive. Maybe have him come from the Fortress somewhere in space or something and just show up when they least expect. Like when Lois is in trouble or something.

While I think that would work, it would make more sense if he just crashed in Smallville. After all, he crashed there initially - why not again?

This would definitely take up two episodes with the whole funeral and confrontation of Lex, to picking out his costume. Since its a sad moment for Clark and company. He needs time to heal and stuff...

Well, it's a 90 minute episode for a reason. ;) The Lex scene wouldn't take more than 10 minutes, and the costume ideas wouldn't take more than 6 or 7 minutes too. If the powers that be told me to write a 90 minute episode in any way I want, I could make it fit.

This my friend, would be the ultimate episode for me. Plenty of action. Just having them all together like that, unity, well it brings tears to my eyes *tears

Well, there wouldn't be any JL action in this episode. That scene would serve more to just tie up that loose end. Since the producers don't seem to care about keeping Clark's timeline and the Superman of the comics' timeline separate, they might as well just create the JL in this show.

I was thinking maybe since, he was killed, the Fortress would have been also? Right? But couldn't agree more to that episode, we rarely got scenes like these with Jor-El and Clark in previous Seasons..

Not necessarily. Clark has died twice in the series already (Hidden and Void), and the Fortress was there upon his return both times.

This sounds like a rip off from Spider Man eh? Well maybe some parts...

I don't see it. Clark and Lois have been a part of Superman lore far longer than Peter and Mary Jane have been a part of Spider-Man's.

Thanks for the comments though! I'd love to take a crack at planning Season 9 if I were given free reign and budget, along with Welling and Warner Bros. saying the suit would be fine for the show.

Alien

12-04-2008, 04:23 AM

I mean, when I saw him in that movie Cheaper by The Dozen it was a little awkward, and having his wife play the mother in the movie didn't help.
HIS WIFE!?

HIS MUM IN THE MOVIE!?

That's f-ing crazy!

Tornado

12-04-2008, 06:58 AM

I'm not sure what Jhey is talking about; Welling's mother was played by Bonnie Hunt, and Tom is married to (I'm fairly sure) a non-acting woman named Jamie.

JheyDC

12-04-2008, 09:39 AM

Whoops, must be thinking of someone else then...sorry about that Alien :D

Well, now with the show gettting so much attention, I'm sure a lot of other producers/directors would love to take the reigns as much as you do.

If only the producers/WB skim through these forums, they's get so much feedback from people that have great ideas. ehem...ehem...nudge..nudge...kick...kick...wink... wink...

EnderDeschain

12-04-2008, 03:37 PM

I'm a little tired, yeah. :funny: I'm curious to hear your thoughts, either on what I wrote or what you'd like to do.

Dude, I'd love to add some thoughts and **** too but really, there's nothing to say. Your ending is perfect. The bit about Batman is great, I can actually hear Oliver saying it. Also the final confrontation with Lex, and Clark saying something to the effect of "I've given up on you." That needs to be buttoned up both ways, when the show ends there has to be absolutely nothing left of their friendship from either side. In addition to killing Chloe, I'd like to see some kind of almost-fight scene involving Clark, Lex, and kryptonite. Lex has Clark at his mercy, says something really poignant about how Clark doesn't deserve to exist anymore, and is about to kill him (the equivalent of pointing a gun at his head and starting to squeeze the trigger, where it's very clear that he's not ****ing around anymore and is actually going to do it) before something stops him. I'm not nearly as good at this as you, but you see what I'm sayin'. It has to be established that despite his mere humanity, Lex Luthor is the single greatest threat to Clark's existence that will ever exist. The groundwork has been laid for that already in wonderful fashion, but we have to really see it at some point, how they're almost opposing forces of nature now. I'll equate it to the Batman / Joker confrontation at the end of Dark Knight, at least tonally, but done in an entirely different way.

Anyway, once again, great ****. Maybe Lois could spend a minute or so in the last episode wondering what to call Clark's alter-ego, mulling over some amusing possibilities but coming to no real conclusion. Then right there at your awesome ending after the bird / plane part she has her epiphany and delivers the series' closing line. "It's Superman." That's ****in perfect, dude, it's giving me chills just thinking about it. I sincerely do wish you were in charge of this **** now.

JheyDC

12-04-2008, 03:42 PM

^Very inspirational Ender, good job! If only they'd carry this show to the fullest extent and stop with all the stop signs and caution "we can't do this" or "we can't do that" crap...just do it...

WuTical

12-04-2008, 09:30 PM

The CW needs to fire everyone and hire Tornado asap. Everything he said will be completely opposite though :mad:

Tornado

12-04-2008, 10:35 PM

:funny: Thanks for the compliments guys.

I don't know about the rest of you, but I'm going through some serious withdrawals. I turned on the CW tonight at 7 expecting to see Legion before I caught myself and sadly turned the TV off. And since I'm avoiding all spoilers from here on out, that's not making the wait any easier on me. So, assuming you guys are interested, I'm thinking about writing an actual treatment for my version of the series finale, dialogue and all. I warn you I'm not much of a writer, but if you guys would have any interest in reading the final product it would make the wait for the show's return a little easier on me at least.

EnderDeschain

12-04-2008, 10:43 PM

Dude, I would absolutely love to read it.

Tornado

12-05-2008, 12:00 AM

Awesome. I should have it done in the next couple of weeks (as I'll be done for the semester and will have little to do other than relax around the house), but I'll post little tidbits every now and then.

I'm going to write it as though the series is ending this season, but I'll try and do a more in-depth description of every episode leading up to the finale before I start the script. I don't really have anything going on this weekend, so you can probably expect a brief synopsis and title for every episode following Legion.

I just want to mention that this isn't me saying, "Look at me! I'm so cool," or anything like that. Whatever I post is really, first and foremost, being posted to create discussion and debate leading up the return of the show. I don't expect all of us to agree on every little thing, but everybody else is more than welcome to post their own versions of things. Whatever I post will ultimately be what I would like to see happen, not necessarily what will likely happen.

Spirited Away

12-05-2008, 09:44 AM

Yeah definitely, would love to read it.

JheyDC

12-05-2008, 10:01 AM

:So, assuming you guys are interested, I'm thinking about writing an actual treatment for my version of the series finale, dialogue and all. I warn you I'm not much of a writer,

Dude, come on, stop being humble ;) Not much of a writer my ***.

:but if you guys would have any interest in reading the final product it would make the wait for the show's return a little easier on me at least.

You didn't even need to ask me man. Can't wait for the stuff. I feel like a junkie! :redface:

JheyDC

12-05-2008, 10:05 AM

CitizenSteel

12-05-2008, 12:31 PM

lastnight episode was broing as hell. including bad acting from everyone. I can't belive theyre still playing with this meteor gave me my powers crap they had since this show began.

pretty much proves nothing has really changed about this show.

Tornado

12-05-2008, 01:11 PM

What episode was on last night? It was Plastique, right? That's not really a good example of what Season 8 has done so far; I'd check out Odyssey first, and then bounce into the terrific run from Committed to Bride.

JheyDC

12-05-2008, 01:39 PM

More spoilers for Season 8 from Kryptonsite:

UPDATED 12/4/08: In the latest issue of SciFi Magazine, executive producer Kelly Souders has revealed some tidbits about things to come (thanks to Cheers at DI who originally brought this online):
- Chloe and Jimmy will "try to manage life" after the wedding but things will not be easy for them.
- Tess's league of super-powered villains will be let loose at some point this season. ("Injustice," anyone?)
- Souders notes that Clark's double identity will face new challenges, and that Oliver and other members of the Justice League haven't had the same struggles with developing their superhero identities, because their first identities aren't lies. For Clark, the transition is harder because Clark Kent, farmboy, is already a mask. She adds that Clark's humanity also gets in the way.
- The producers have planned two different potential arcs to end Season 8, depending on if there is another season. Regardless of when it happens, the final episode will be "either a heroic send-off or a heartbreaking decision for Clark to move on to the next phase." Souders is confident that the show could work for a ninth season. "People have been telling Superman stories for decades, so we have no doubt we can tell stories for another year," she says.
- Regarding romantic futures for Clark and Lois: "After a near-kiss with Lois, emotions and lust are flying. Their chemistry is charging ful speed ahead, but let's face it, their insecure walls are getting in the way."

UPDATED 12/3/08: TV Guide magazine has confirmed that the Toyman from Superman comics will be appearing. This may happen in episode #8-14, though it could happen at another time - no specific episode was named aside from it airing in "early February."
- Another assemblage of the Justice League may come before season's end.

It's so crazy, I can't wait! :(

Tornado

12-05-2008, 02:49 PM

The title for episode 16 is TURBULENCE.

Oh boy. While that could refer to a lot of things, I can't help but think of the turbulence a plane can go through; maybe we'll see Clark's first flight!

JheyDC

12-05-2008, 03:41 PM

Hey Hey Hey Mister, thought you were avoiding spoilers ;)

Tornado

12-05-2008, 03:56 PM

Bah, it's just an episode title. I can't swear off everything. ;)

And the episode descriptions are coming along quite nicely. I'm kind of bouncing around from episode to episode, but they should all be done by tomorrow afternoon if I keep moving at the same pace.

Tornado

12-05-2008, 04:57 PM

Alright folks, here are the first three episodes of the rest of my Season 8: Legion, Return, and Frozen. Please be gentle; those episodes were basically me trying to wrap up some of the show's current plotlines and also start my own. The rest of Season 8 won't feel quite as disrupted as Frozen does. Even I'm not terribly thrilled with it, but it gets the job done for now.

S8E11 Legion
As I mentioned in a recent post, I know very little about the Legionnaires. From the brief glimpse in the promo following Bride, it looks like three members of the Legion will be making a stop in Smallville: Cosmic Boy, Saturn Girl, and Lightning Lad. Right now, I would guess they’re coming back in time to help Clark remove Brainiac from Chloe, but that could certainly be incorrect. My only thought on that is how would they know he needs help? They must be coming for another reason, but they’ll probably end up helping out anyway.

The Legion manage to help Clark separate Chloe from Brainiac, but before Clark can destroy Brainiac for good he races off, having again taken the form of Milton Fine. Doomsday/Davis is nowhere to be found. The Fortress is back to tip-top shape as it once was.

S8E12 Return
And so begins my string of Season 8 episodes. Return would focus on the return of Lex Luthor to Metropolis. Lex still remembers everything (I’m not a fan of the Gough/Millar amnesia game) from before the destruction of the Fortress. It would be revealed he was recovered by his own people (Tess was not involved) and had been recovering in Black Creek for the past several months. Lex’s return is covered by the Daily Planet where Clark hears word of it. Clark goes to the mansion and confronts him as expected; Clark stands up for himself despite Lex knowing his secret, but Lex tells him that whatever he has become is Clark’s fault. Clark, feeling there is no hope for Lex after all, turns and leaves with a sad expression on his face.

Lois is still with Jimmy in OffScreenVille, but Chloe and Lana are both around for this episode. Clark and Lana are able to discuss what went wrong in their relationship, but it is quite clear Clark has moved on from them ever being together again. Lana seems disappointed when Clark says he’s in love with someone else, but he doesn’t say who (Lois, obvious to the audience). Chloe spends the majority of the episode in the hospital recovering from her ordeal with Doomsday and Brainiac, but is released at show’s end. It’s also revealed Lana’s contact from Bride was Lex.

In the final moments we see Doomsday and Brainiac in the Fortress; Doomsday doesn’t speak obviously, but Brainiac explains their plan of luring Clark to the Fortress and killing him once and for all.

S8E13 Frozen
This would be a particularly busy episode as I’m trying to imagine my way out of what the producers are doing without really knowing exactly where they’re heading. The main plot in this episode would be the confrontation between Clark and Brainiac/Doomsday, but it also carries the secondary plot of Clark discovering his freeze breath. I know the “power discovery” episodes usually get their own episodes, but he already has the base of the power anyway. This is just focusing it to achieve something else, in this case freeze breath.

Brainiac, having infected the Fortress, uses the tower to emit the House of El call (which we’ve heard several times in the past), in an attempt to lure Clark to the Fortress. After borrowing the Manhunter’s crystal, he heads up north. After arriving, he’s ambushed by Doomsday. The two exchange blows and knock down parts of the Fortress, but Clark eventually gains the upper hand and uses his new power to destroy the monster. He rapidly heats Doomsday to the point of being on fire, and then uses his freeze breath to turn him into a big chunk of ice.

Battered and bloodied, he turns his attention to Brainiac. The weakened computer starts to back up, but Clark catches him with a massive punch knocking him back. Brainiac pulls out a shard of kryptonite and lunges at Clark, but the Man of Steel pulls out the Martian’s crystal and sends Brainiac to the Phantom Zone. He then banishes Doomsday there as well.

He and John share a conversation in Clark’s loft after the scenes at the Fortress. Clark thanks him for his help, but John says he did it all himself and commends him for his bravery, walking into a fight with the odds so stacked against him. John brings up the topic of his powers, and comes to the conclusion that he might be able to re-gain his powers if he can somehow leave Earth’s atmosphere to heal.

Lois and Jimmy are still gone for now. Lana and Chloe share a scene; Chloe tries to talk Lana into leaving, saying Clark was beyond hurt when she left, and her return isn’t helping anything. Lana gets angry and storms out, but Chloe thinks she has an ulterior motive for coming back to Smallville (other than her wedding, that is).

Doomsday comes back, don't worry. ;)

JheyDC

12-06-2008, 08:05 PM

Ah, and the plot thickens.

Great episode line up there Tornado. Are we going to have more soon or what? ;)

JheyDC

12-08-2008, 09:34 AM

Any word on this Tornado?

Tornado

12-08-2008, 01:33 PM

Yeah, there'll be more up tonight. Give me time man. ;)

Spirited Away

12-08-2008, 03:38 PM

Casting sides for Episode 817:

http://spoilertv-smallville.blogspot.com/2008/12/episode-817-hex-casting-sides.html

Tornado

12-08-2008, 04:30 PM

Since I've been doing these out of order, this is the only one in the line I've got done for now. But I should have 815 and possibly 816 up tonight as well.

S8E14 Bulletproof
The majority of this episode will be devoted to Clark developing his Superman: The Movie-esque “Clark” disguise – he starts wearing glasses to hide his identity. I’ve opted not to go the bumbling route as I don’t think that would make as much sense in this series; his friends just know him too well for that. Since the theme of Season 8 seems to be a combination of destiny and disguise, this would work well to further build upon the progress made in Identity. Clark won’t wear his classic red jacket/blue shirt combination anymore, unless he’s performing an act of super-heroics. In the office he’ll stick to the dressed-up style he’s been sporting this season, and he’ll wear plaid or other shirts around the house or with friends.

Lois and Jimmy would return in this episode as well, sparking a reunion between Chloe and Jimmy, and a partial reunion between Clark and Lois. Clark would try talking to her about what happened between them in Bride. Lois would try to brush off their moves as her being caught up in the moment, but then she’d say something to the effect of Clark still being in love with Lana. Clark would say that despite her having been a large part of his life, he’s moved on and he’s a different person now. Lois doesn’t believe him.

The episode will also further build upon the ‘Red-Blue-Blur’ established earlier in the season. Upon Lois’s return she’ll say something about her dislike for the name, and suggests trying to come up with something new. We’ll see more coverage of the hero when Clark performs another super-act, although I can’t think right now of what he would do (sorry, little creative flair at the moment). But, in connection with the episode's title, the 'Red-Blue-Blur' will be revealed to be super strong and bulletproof, in addition to the super speed the public already knows about him.

The episode would end with the final scene between Clark and Lana. Lana would come right out and say she’s still in love with Clark, and wants to give it another shot between the two. She says she doesn’t want to hold him back (reference to Arctic), but has come to think the two are soul mates and are meant to be together. Clark says he will always appreciate her friendship, but he’s not in love with her anymore. He says he’s sorry, but Lana is visibly disappointed. They hug, and Clark tells her goodbye. Lana leaves with tears in her eyes, but Clark stands strong and lets her go. When she’s out the door, he whispers, “Goodbye,” again.

FVD

12-08-2008, 09:34 PM

A great lineup of teasers there Torn.

Loving that closing song "Don't Take Your Love Away" by Vast as the end of the Bride episode. Decided to check out the entire song and I may end up buying the album in the end. Jon Crosby sounds like quite the talent. :)

bychance

12-09-2008, 07:44 PM

Wow, this thread has been here since the show's conception! :eek: I feel like I'm witnessing history. I have a lot to catch up to. Sort of weird reading older posts in retrospect.

Erica Durance suddenly got really pretty, I don't know when that happened, but it was a welcome surprise.

Her hair is dyed darker now (her natural hair color is black) and she looks so much more natural.

bychance

12-09-2008, 07:54 PM

http://bc.images.trb.com/media/photo/2006-09/25523538.jpg
http://bc.images.trb.com/media/photo/2006-09/25523534.jpg
http://bc.images.trb.com/media/photo/2006-09/25523542.jpg

I have mixed feelings about these photos! It's great that they're forshadowing his future as reporter Clark Kent. But, at the same time these photos are very Dean Cain-ish! Clark Kent shouldn't be so stylish. This is the same thing they did with Dean Cain in Lois & Clark.

How was he stylish? He wore normal business suits. In fact, I'd say in these promo suits are far more in style than anything Dean Cain wore in L&C.

http://img381.imageshack.us/img381/3764/loisclarkpubphotoshq194yx8.jpg

Tornado

12-09-2008, 08:10 PM

Wow, this thread has been here since the show's conception! :eek: I feel like I'm witnessing history.

Haha. Yeah, this thread has been around a long time. A lot of us have been watching since the show's beginning. I remember watching the pilot way back in the fall of 2001, but I didn't start consistently posting in this thread until Season 4 (primarily because I wasn't a member here, but when I did register I didn't venture into the TV forum very often).

While I can't speak for anybody else, a lot of my love for this show stems out of the fact I grew up with the characters. When they were freshmen in Season 1, I was in the 8th grade. While I've never watched the show, I know "Star Trek: The Original Series" was heralded for teaching its audience lessons about acceptance or humanity among other themes. "Smallville" is my "Star Trek: TOS." "Smallville" is far more than just a TV show to me - it's almost a philosophy. It taught me more about friendship, trust, sacrifice, responsibility, and conviction than I probably ever would have learned out of a text book.

bychance

12-09-2008, 08:15 PM

I've only gotten interested in the show recently myself. I saw the pilot and probably a few episodes after that but my memory is so fuzzy I don't even know what I watched, lol. I have 7 whole seasons to buy to catch up with :redface:

That's you, bud. I like it when Jimmy Olson's character is played around with a little bit. The little kid who sucks up to everybody is good background characters but Jimmy Olson is becoming more important as the years go by. I like Jimmy's with better characterization. In fact, thats why my favorite Jimmy Olson is the one from the first season of Lois & Clark: The New Adventures of Superman. The one they fired because they thought he looked too much like Dean Cain. That guy was awesome. He was such a pervert and always trying to sleep with that hot reporter woman.

I always liked the original Jimmy Olsen on L&C: TNAOS (played by Michael Landes) myself, but I have no idea where you're getting this idea that he was a pervert, or what woman he was trying to sleep with. He was very much a "suck up" like all the other Jimmy Olsons'. He really sought out for Perry White' approval (played by Lane Smith, by far the best Perry White) or to impress him. The second Jimmy (Justin Whalin) had the more youthful aspect to his looks so I guess that's why they recast, a big mistake in my mind (I don't buy that "he looked too much like Dean Cain" excuse). What I liked about the original Jimmy was his voice, kind of 'old school' but not entirely out of place...there was just something that was different about him. The only thing tptb did worse after changing the Jimmys was letting go of Lex Luthor (John Shea) after season two.

Tornado

12-09-2008, 10:43 PM

I think Smallville's Jimmy Olsen (portrayed by Aaron Ashmore) is a much stronger character than the Jimmy on L&C, but I will agree with you that L&C had an awesome Perry White. I like what Smallville did with the character back in Season 3 (making him a drunk, burnt-out ex-Daily Planet reporter working for a paranormal TV show), but Lane Smith was pretty badass.

Anyway, I'll have the next two episodes (815 and 816) of my Season 8 up tonight. I just have to put the finishing touches on 815, and I'll be good to go.

FVD

12-09-2008, 10:55 PM

Speaking of Perry White I wonder if we'll see him sometime soon. He's perhaps the only key character missing in the show now. I hope Michael McKean will come back too. They're down on a lower floor aren't they?

bychance

12-09-2008, 11:13 PM

Its weird to see a Perry White so slim and young. I don't think I can get used to it.

Tornado

12-09-2008, 11:36 PM

S8E15 Flight
It’s what we’ve all been waiting for – Clark learns to fly. And better yet, it’s a pro-active type of learning. Nobody tries to teach him as they almost did last season with Kara; he knows he’s capable of flying, and he feels it’s time he takes a legitimate shot at figuring it out. If he wants to truly embrace his destiny, he knows he must understand and develop his most famous power. But it’s something of a struggle, and comes out in a moment of desperation. We see Clark visibly trying to fly, doing super jumps and hoping to carry momentum into flight, but it doesn’t work as he just crashes back to the ground.

One of the biggest problems I’ve had with this show is that everybody and their brother has flown before Clark. When Lana inherited Clark’s powers briefly last season, I half expected her to take to the skies. I loved the show’s interpretation of Kara, but part of me wishes she hadn’t flown. And the same goes for Brainiac, Zod, Bizarro, and Kal-El as well. I think it would have been great for Clark to fly, and everybody who knows his secret to collectively say, “Holy ****! Clark can fly?!” Whereas last season Chloe told Clark something like, “You gotta get on that one Clark.” Irritating.

But, I think some of that can be remedied by making Clark fly in public and getting the response of some extremely excited bystanders instead. In a nod (well, more than a nod really) to Superman: The Movie, we see a full-on re-creation of Lois’s helicopter mishap. Lois calls Clark for a ride home while she’s en route back to the Daily Planet. Clark, in his classic red jacket and blue shirt (AKA, the ‘Red-Blue-Blur’ costume), pulls up in his truck later on just as Lois is dangling over the edge, hanging on to the chopper for dear life.

Clark looks around at the people gathered, and then looks up just in time to see Lois lose her grip and begin plummeting toward the street. Clark takes off like a bullet, catches her, and hovers in mid-air before he continues to fly up the side of the building. Lois has, naturally, passed out (while Clark has been wearing glasses, he’s known Lois without glasses for far too long to pull off the “You’ve got me? Who’s got you?” and the “Who are you?” “A friend,” dialogues). The helicopter drops, and Clark catches that too.

The crowd just erupts in applause, smiles, cheers, etc. This should be one of the happiest moments in the show, both for us (the viewers) and Clark/bystanders. Blast Clark’s hero theme, put a big smile on Clark’s face as he looks at Lois and flies back up to the rooftop, have the event covered by news teams across the city, let’s get some reaction shots from Oliver/the JL, Chloe and Jimmy, and even Martha (especially Martha). This is a monumental moment in Clark’s life, I say spare no expense. He’d fly her and the copter back to the roof, set them down, nod to the pilot still sitting in the chopper, quickly X-ray Lois to make sure she’s alright, and then step on the ledge of the roof and look down at the masses. He’d smile as they continue cheering and clapping and looking up in awe; he’d fly off into the night, and slowly raise his arms above his head in the classic Superman-flight pose before taking off past the camera as the screen fades to black focused on the stars in the distance.

S8E16 Wonder
There is no DC character I’d like to see show up on Smallville’s doorstep more than Bruce Wayne, but even that might be too ambitious for my version of Season 8’s final episodes. So instead, we’ll introduce a character not currently tied up in movie rights – Diana Prince, the future Wonder Woman. We wouldn’t see Diana in the tights (sadly ;)), but we’d see some staples of her character: the lasso, the bullet-deflecting bracelets. She’d be like Clark – just a step away from becoming the superhero we all know and love.

This would be the only “plot of the week” episode for the rest of my season. Lex would do something dastardly, making Clark and Diana team up to take him down. We’d also see Oliver try to recruit Diana into the league. I’d bring back Dinah for this episode to try and build up her future relationship with Oliver, but nothing serious; just subtle cues, similar to what we saw between Clark and Lois during Seasons 4-7. Diana would turn his invitation down for the time being, citing reasons of needing to discover more about herself before joining the league. She promises, “Someday,” though. She could laugh and add “I’ll join when Clark joins on a more full-time basis.”

We’d also see the return of the Manhunter’s powers here. John could tell Clark in order to regain his powers he needs to leave our atmosphere and enter Mars’, similar to how Clark was re-charged in Odyssey (you’ll have to forgive me for now understanding how John’s powers work – if he isn’t a battery like Clark, you’ll just have to pretend he is for the episode’s sake). Clark could fly him there offscreen (or we’d see something similar to what happened in Odyssey; we’d see the two take off, but we wouldn’t actually go to Mars with them. I guess John would just have to hold his breath or something, haha (Clark could, presumably, make the trip from Earth to Mars relatively quickly with flight – i.e., John shouldn’t succumb to the freezing temperatures of space).

I think now would be a good time to reveal part of why Lex has remained in Smallville. We see his desk cluttered with research on Krypton he likely stole from Dr. Swann’s office. We see files on the Phantom Zone, and we also see Kryptonian writing all over the place. The final shot would hover over Lex picking up the sheet he was looking for – cut to the Kryptonian symbol for Doom. Lex is going to release Doomsday to finish Kal-El off for good.

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I might get the next five episodes up tomorrow. I've got one of them already written (I got too excited, I couldn't wait) and I've got some solid ideas down for three of the other four. I'm just really amped to start the script. :D

Neverending

12-10-2008, 03:58 AM

I have no idea where you're getting this idea that he was a pervert, or what woman he was trying to sleep with.

Cat Grant.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/b/b3/ScogginsasCat.jpg

FVD

12-10-2008, 07:45 AM

JheyDC

12-10-2008, 11:43 AM

Ok, I finally have a chance to read this, with work and stuff and finishing up with Christmas gifts. It's good to come back on line and relax by using my imagination, created by Tornado ;)

S8E14 Bulletproof
The majority of this episode will be devoted to Clark developing his Superman: The Movie-esque “Clark” disguise – he starts wearing glasses to hide his identity. I’ve opted not to go the bumbling route as I don’t think that would make as much sense in this series; his friends just know him too well for that. Since the theme of Season 8 seems to be a combination of destiny and disguise, this would work well to further build upon the progress made in Identity. Clark won’t wear his classic red jacket/blue shirt combination anymore, unless he’s performing an act of super-heroics. In the office he’ll stick to the dressed-up style he’s been sporting this season, and he’ll wear plaid or other shirts around the house or with friends.

Lois and Jimmy would return in this episode as well, sparking a reunion between Chloe and Jimmy, and a partial reunion between Clark and Lois. Clark would try talking to her about what happened between them in Bride. Lois would try to brush off their moves as her being caught up in the moment, but then she’d say something to the effect of Clark still being in love with Lana. Clark would say that despite her having been a large part of his life, he’s moved on and he’s a different person now. Lois doesn’t believe him.

The episode will also further build upon the ‘Red-Blue-Blur’ established earlier in the season. Upon Lois’s return she’ll say something about her dislike for the name, and suggests trying to come up with something new. We’ll see more coverage of the hero when Clark performs another super-act, although I can’t think right now of what he would do (sorry, little creative flair at the moment). But, in connection with the episode's title, the 'Red-Blue-Blur' will be revealed to be super strong and bulletproof, in addition to the super speed the public already knows about him.

The episode would end with the final scene between Clark and Lana. Lana would come right out and say she’s still in love with Clark, and wants to give it another shot between the two. She says she doesn’t want to hold him back (reference to Arctic), but has come to think the two are soul mates and are meant to be together. Clark says he will always appreciate her friendship, but he’s not in love with her anymore. He says he’s sorry, but Lana is visibly disappointed. They hug, and Clark tells her goodbye. Lana leaves with tears in her eyes, but Clark stands strong and lets her go. When she’s out the door, he whispers, “Goodbye,” again.

Wow, full on drama in the end there. Maybe you can have Clark save someone at the Daily Planet or something so that they can talk about it and Lois can have more ideas on naming him. I think it's a good idea Clark is getting rid of his old clothes, it seems as though he doesn't have anything else to wear ;) , but of course he sheds them for a reason. Great scene with the whole Clark and Lois drama, good start to their on and off relationship without actually being an item.

Another great one there Tornado. Thumbs up to you.

JheyDC

12-10-2008, 11:56 AM

S8E15 Flight
It’s what we’ve all been waiting for – Clark learns to fly. And better yet, it’s a pro-active type of learning. Nobody tries to teach him as they almost did last season with Kara; he knows he’s capable of flying, and he feels it’s time he takes a legitimate shot at figuring it out. If he wants to truly embrace his destiny, he knows he must understand and develop his most famous power. But it’s something of a struggle, and comes out in a moment of desperation. We see Clark visibly trying to fly, doing super jumps and hoping to carry momentum into flight, but it doesn’t work as he just crashes back to the ground.

One of the biggest problems I’ve had with this show is that everybody and their brother has flown before Clark. When Lana inherited Clark’s powers briefly last season, I half expected her to take to the skies. I loved the show’s interpretation of Kara, but part of me wishes she hadn’t flown. And the same goes for Brainiac, Zod, Bizarro, and Kal-El as well. I think it would have been great for Clark to fly, and everybody who knows his secret to collectively say, “Holy ****! Clark can fly?!” Whereas last season Chloe told Clark something like, “You gotta get on that one Clark.” Irritating.

But, I think some of that can be remedied by making Clark fly in public and getting the response of some extremely excited bystanders instead. In a nod (well, more than a nod really) to Superman: The Movie, we see a full-on re-creation of Lois’s helicopter mishap. Lois calls Clark for a ride home while she’s en route back to the Daily Planet. Clark, in his classic red jacket and blue shirt (AKA, the ‘Red-Blue-Blur’ costume), pulls up in his truck later on just as Lois is dangling over the edge, hanging on to the chopper for dear life.

Clark looks around at the people gathered, and then looks up just in time to see Lois lose her grip and begin plummeting toward the street. Clark takes off like a bullet, catches her, and hovers in mid-air before he continues to fly up the side of the building. Lois has, naturally, passed out (while Clark has been wearing glasses, he’s known Lois without glasses for far too long to pull off the “You’ve got me? Who’s got you?” and the “Who are you?” “A friend,” dialogues). The helicopter drops, and Clark catches that too.

The crowd just erupts in applause, smiles, cheers, etc. This should be one of the happiest moments in the show, both for us (the viewers) and Clark/bystanders. Blast Clark’s hero theme, put a big smile on Clark’s face as he looks at Lois and flies back up to the rooftop, have the event covered by news teams across the city, let’s get some reaction shots from Oliver/the JL, Chloe and Jimmy, and even Martha (especially Martha). This is a monumental moment in Clark’s life, I say spare no expense. He’d fly her and the copter back to the roof, set them down, nod to the pilot still sitting in the chopper, quickly X-ray Lois to make sure she’s alright, and then step on the ledge of the roof and look down at the masses. He’d smile as they continue cheering and clapping and looking up in awe; he’d fly off into the night, and slowly raise his arms above his head in the classic Superman-flight pose before taking off past the camera as the screen fades to black focused on the stars in the distance.

Ok, I truly believe this way of learning how to fly is perfect for Clark. Without him even thinking he just does it, to save Lois, not caring if he crashes or anything. He just did it, and he then figures out that it just takes courage to fly. Would love to scene that helicopter scene. So well put together. It actually gives him a reason to fly, because the helicopter is up in the air.

S8E16 Wonder
There is no DC character I’d like to see show up on Smallville’s doorstep more than Bruce Wayne, but even that might be too ambitious for my version of Season 8’s final episodes. So instead, we’ll introduce a character not currently tied up in movie rights – Diana Prince, the future Wonder Woman. We wouldn’t see Diana in the tights (sadly ;)), but we’d see some staples of her character: the lasso, the bullet-deflecting bracelets. She’d be like Clark – just a step away from becoming the superhero we all know and love.

Good notation there, since Smallville is just about getting to know your own self.

This would be the only “plot of the week” episode for the rest of my season. Lex would do something dastardly, making Clark and Diana team up to take him down. We’d also see Oliver try to recruit Diana into the league. I’d bring back Dinah for this episode to try and build up her future relationship with Oliver, but nothing serious; just subtle cues, similar to what we saw between Clark and Lois during Seasons 4-7. Diana would turn his invitation down for the time being, citing reasons of needing to discover more about herself before joining the league. She promises, “Someday,” though. She could laugh and add “I’ll join when Clark joins on a more full-time basis.”

We’d also see the return of the Manhunter’s powers here. John could tell Clark in order to regain his powers he needs to leave our atmosphere and enter Mars’, similar to how Clark was re-charged in Odyssey (you’ll have to forgive me for now understanding how John’s powers work – if he isn’t a battery like Clark, you’ll just have to pretend he is for the episode’s sake). Clark could fly him there offscreen (or we’d see something similar to what happened in Odyssey; we’d see the two take off, but we wouldn’t actually go to Mars with them. I guess John would just have to hold his breath or something, haha (Clark could, presumably, make the trip from Earth to Mars relatively quickly with flight – i.e., John shouldn’t succumb to the freezing temperatures of space).

I think now would be a good time to reveal part of why Lex has remained in Smallville. We see his desk cluttered with research on Krypton he likely stole from Dr. Swann’s office. We see files on the Phantom Zone, and we also see Kryptonian writing all over the place. The final shot would hover over Lex picking up the sheet he was looking for – cut to the Kryptonian symbol for Doom. Lex is going to release Doomsday to finish Kal-El off for good.

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I might get the next five episodes up tomorrow. I've got one of them already written (I got too excited, I couldn't wait) and I've got some solid ideas down for three of the other four. I'm just really amped to start the script. :D

Good to see Lex back to his old ways. And Wonder Woman being added to the show is awesome. The joke you put up there where she say's she'll join if Clark joins fits perfectly. CW does a lot like this in the show and it's cool you did that.

Overall, another great one from you. Can't wait for the next couple of episodes. Write on man, write on. :applaud:

bychance

12-10-2008, 02:53 PM

How Tracy Scoggins went from a bimbo in Lois and Clark to such a strong commanding officer on Babylon 5 was quite a feat to pull off IMHO. She did a pretty good job of it. I suppose at least she wasn't typecast in a specific role from the beginning.

I wouldn't categorize Cat Grant as bimbo per se, but she wasn't that knowledgeable either. She was a fun character, it would of been nice to see her stay a little bit longer.

Dean Cain really impressed me when he was in 'Out of Time' with Denzel Washington, playing Sanaa Lathan's abusive husband. He surprisingly got good reviews from the movie critics. He held his own against Denzel, which is no small feat. I expected him to be blown out of the water no question. And had chemistry with Sanaa despite not being in the movie all that long. He looked a lot different too, I didn't even know it was him.

http://img249.imageshack.us/img249/8430/outoftime0864777212zu5.jpg

http://img162.imageshack.us/img162/3586/outoftime09tl6.jpg

http://img249.imageshack.us/img249/2520/outoftime4184707929vr0.jpg

Cat Grant.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/b/b3/ScogginsasCat.jpg

Since when did Jimmy try to hit on Cat?

Tornado

12-10-2008, 05:29 PM

S8E17 Hope
One month later.

Clark, having developed the power of flight, begins to branch out of the United States to begin saving lives and preventing disasters on a more global scale. Considering the only person still in Smallville who both knows Clark’s secret and is his friend (thus eliminating Lex from contention) is the Martian Manhunter, Clark will have to reveal his motives to him as opposed to his usual confidantes – Chloe or Lana. “My father sent me here to make a difference in this world – to act as a beacon of hope, to give people someone to trust and believe in. What I’ve done here is a good start, but I’m capable of so much more.” John replies with, “Your father would be very proud of you, Clark.” Clark (in his red jacket/blue shirt arsenal) smiles, nods, and flies out of the loft’s window. John looks up as the sun beats down on his face and smiles.

In what is kind of hard to describe, I’d like to see a quick series of scenes similar in tone to what Superman Returns did – pointed out that no crisis is too big or small for Clark. We could see him foiling a bank robbery in Germany, preventing a train derailment in Chicago, stopping a petty theft in the streets of the UK, stopping a terrorist raid in Afghanistan, putting out a fire in a burning building with his super breath, etc. These would all be over-layed with Sufjan Stevens’ song, “The Man of Metropolis Steals Our Hearts.” Here’s a link if you haven’t heard it before: Song (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UKYTIimhD-4). Start it off at about the 1:30 mark, and try and pretend it starts during Clark and John’s conversation. When it hits around the 2 minute mark is when Clark is performing his super-stuff.

These would all be shown just straight up, but eventually we’d pull out of the last one to see it was all being broadcast on television, and we’d see Lois sitting in astonishment. “This footage shows that no crisis is too big or small for the Good Samaritan.” Lois spins around in her chair to see Clark sitting there, (from our angle he’s looking at a piece of breaking news in Somalia) not paying any attention to the news. “Clark? Clark! How are you not excited by this? It’s the biggest story of… well, ever!” “Yeah, yeah, that’s great Lois.” Lois gives him a look like, “You’re a fool,” and then turns back to the TV. Whoosh! Clark is gone, and Lois spins around saying “Hey Clark would ya--- Clark?” She turns back to her desk and looks up at the TV, “The Good Samaritan… I’m still not wild about that name.”

There would also be a handful of scenes between Lex and Tess (who is still alive, she is just second-in-command behind Lex at the moment), Chloe and Jimmy, Lois and Chloe, etc. We see Clark struggling to maintain his friendship with Chloe between her being married, his growing feelings for Lois, and the fact Chloe is no longer one of the secret keepers. Part of him wants to reveal his true identity to her again, but he knows doing so would put her in danger again and that’s exactly what he was trying to avoid by taking away her memories of him in the first place.

The episode ends with Clark speaking to Jor-El in the Fortress. Jor-El warns Clark of Doomsdays imminent return. “With each death, the creature is re-born stronger and nearly impervious to defeat the same way. When it comes back again, it will be nearly impossible to destroy.” Clark acknowledges this, and states that he won’t let anything happen to Earth. Pause. “I sent you to live as one of them Kal-El, to discover where your strength and your power were needed. Always hold in your heart the pride of your special heritage. They can be a great people Kal-El, they wish to be. They only lack the light to show the way. For this reason above all, their capacity for good, I sent them you… my only son.” Clark smiles and flies out of the fortress, fade to black.

Neverending

12-10-2008, 10:11 PM

Since when did Jimmy try to hit on Cat?

wow. You REALLY need to re-watch Lois and Clark. That was a running gag on the show. Jimmy trying to go out with Cat.

Tornado

12-11-2008, 02:05 PM

I'm a little iffy on this one, but I think with the proper execution it could (hypothetically) be great.

S8E18 Guardian
I think this may be a little dark for an episode of “Smallville,” but what I want to do is teach Clark failure. I think he realizes he can’t save everyone and he even acknowledged that in Prey, but to my knowledge he has never really failed in spite of a worthy effort. Alicia kind of died on his watch in Pariah, but Clark didn’t know she would be attacked until it was too late. And the Ace of Clubs was the source of Doomsday’s first ‘real’ massacre, but Clark didn’t find out until it was too late.

I’m not suggesting Clark should brood in his loft to end the episode or anything of that nature, but I think something needs to happen to show Clark that no matter how hard he tries sometimes things are inevitably going to be out of his hands. The Metropolis Police are hot on the trail of a serial killer, and have been following clues to try and cut him off before he can take another victim. This would be something of a “plot of the week” episode, but Clark would walk away with a valuable lesson. Every time the police get a clue, John (still working as a Detective, he enjoys his work even though he has re-gained his powers, he could claim he’s taking a page out of Clark’s book – the desire to be in the middle of everything) tells Clark about it so he can go and try to take care of business.

Ultimately, Clark would catch the killer but he would have already taken his last victim – a little girl, who brings back memories of Maddie (from Fragile) for Clark. Clark is devastated and has troubles coping with the fact an innocent girl was killed on his watch, but John convinces him it wasn’t his fault. The police had been tracking him for weeks and have had over a dozen chances of stopping the guy; it’s not Clark’s fault he couldn’t either. “No matter how much good you bring to this world Kal-El, there will always be those who cast a shadow over it.” Clark is still very disappointed in himself, but slowly comes to terms with her death.

A news special is aired about the Good Samaritan, and Clark decides to watch it. It brings up the death of the little girl, but it focuses on how much good Clark has done for Earth: testimonials from people directly affected by the Man of Steel praising and thanking him for saving their lives, first-hand accounts of Clark’s heroics, . “This guy, the Good Samaritan, he’s just amazing. Here’s a guy who, with all of his miraculous powers, could rule our race with an iron fist. But what does he do? He uses his powers to save us from fear and darkness, to inspire us, and to make us want to be better people. He’s the Man of Tomorrow.” The nickname obviously sticks.

The final scene of the episode is Lex sitting at his desk, somehow having obtained a Phantom zone bracelet and holding it in his hand. He looks straight into the camera; fade to black.

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And now I finally get to start imagining the episodes I've been waiting for. :D

Tornado

12-11-2008, 03:37 PM

S8E19 Trust
A premise I’ve been waiting years for: Clark tells Lois his secret, and the two ultimately confess their feelings for each other. No mind-erasing (Blank) or alternate universe nonsense (Apocalypse), just a straight-up confession – the way it should ultimately be done.

“Lois… I’m the Good Samaritan.”

An interesting way to tackle the issue, in my opinion, would be for Clark to just flat out tell her and then to have her not believe him. Anytime Clark has told Lois about his powers in the comics, she has believed him largely because she’s seen Superman (and his face) before. But since the Good Samaritan has largely stayed out of the camera lenses (close-up anyway), nobody really knows what the G.S. looks like. Hence, why she initially would think Clark is just taking credit for him. I think it’d be great to do this in public, in the Daily Planet’s basement or something. So when Lois expresses her disbelief toward Clark, she can turn back to her desk and see a new crisis breaking out in Gotham or something on the TV. “So Clark, you going to go take care of that or what? …. Clark?” Whoosh! She turns around to see him gone, and then quickly turns around, stands up, and stares at the monitor as the Good Samaritan shows up on screen to deal with whatever the issue is. In a nod to the films, Lois passes out into her chair.

When Clark shows back up to the Planet, Lois takes him aside and berates him in the copy room (or whatever room it is that Clark and Chloe used to always retreat into when they needed to discuss something private) for not telling her sooner. I want Lois to be running the complete gamut of emotions right now – angry, depressed (because she thinks the two will never be together now), over-joyed, curious, etc. But all she can muster out right now is anger and after shedding a few tears over feeling betrayed, Clark says, “I’m sorry Lois,” and leaves.

Lois could have a scene with Chloe discussing this idea of betrayal and love intertwining. Lois could ask something like, “If there was someone you knew you were destined to be with, but you didn’t think the other person felt the same way, would you still take a shot at it?” Chloe responds with something like, “I can’t remember the last time I remember you being uncertain of something, he must really have a grip on you. Who is he?” Cut to the next scene.

The final scenes of the episode would detail Lois going to the Kent Farm late at night and discussing everything with Clark. This, being just a couple of episodes away from the series finale, show needs to cover some ground between here and now and I would have rather spaced this out over two episodes, but this works too. It would start off a little rocky because Clark would be a little opposed to revealing to her all of his secrets considering her initial reaction at the Planet, but Lois convinces him that she’s ready to listen if he’s ready to talk. He tells her his real name, he’s from Krypton, our Sun is the source of his abilities, and that he’s impervious to everything except Kryptonite – radioactive pieces of his home-world as he puts it.

Lois is surprised to learn he is not meteor-enhanced, as that is what she has been thinking all day. Clark tells her he still doesn’t know everything about himself, but with every passing year he learns more. She asks him how many other people know about his secret, “My mom and dad have known the real me all my life. But others, like Lex, Lionel, and Lana found out on their own accord. Chloe knew for a time, but when I had my biological father restore her memories this past fall I had him leave everything about me of that nature out. I told a friend of mine in high school because I was afraid I would lose his friendship if I didn’t, but you’re the first person I’ve told because I wanted you to know.”

At this point he stands up and walks across the room, just in time for Lois to hide the tear rolling down her face. “I want you to come outside with me.” They walk outside and into the driveway; Clark tells Lois to put her hands on his shoulders and to step on his feet. “I’m wearing high heels.” Clark laughs and says, “I’ll be fine, trust me.” Clark lifts off slowly, and the two start to float higher and higher into the night sky. “Why did you decide to tell me this?” “Because I love you.” They kiss; fade to black.

bychance

12-11-2008, 10:15 PM

wow. You REALLY need to re-watch Lois and Clark. That was a running gag on the show. Jimmy trying to go out with Cat.

Sweet pea, I watch L&C quite frequently ;)

Tornado

12-11-2008, 11:26 PM

Well, apparently you've missed it then. I've seen maybe ten episodes of L&C (ten I can vaguely remember anyway), and I definitely recall Jimmy trying to get with Cat in at least one of those shows.

Spirited Away

12-12-2008, 01:48 PM

New trailer for Smallville's Final Act, and the Doomsday one is better quality:

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Very cool.

Tornado

12-12-2008, 01:51 PM

I was just coming in here to post the first one. That's not a trailer for Smallville's "Final Act" though. It looks like a trailer for Legion and maybe the following two or three episodes after that.

It looks cool, but after writing my own version of the show I'm a little disappointed. :redface: It's quite spoiler-ish folks, so viewer beware.

EDIT - Yep, the people at K-Site are pretty sure it's just from Legion and the episode immediately following it: Bulletproof.

JheyDC

12-12-2008, 02:47 PM

Hey Mister, that's twice-breaking-your-vow to avoid spoilers ;)

Tornado

12-12-2008, 02:54 PM

As I've said, I'll watch and read anything officially released by the CW. It's the stuff that crops up on the message forums I'm avoiding. ;)

JheyDC

12-12-2008, 02:55 PM

sure ;)

Spirited Away

12-12-2008, 03:54 PM

Final Act = Episodes 11 to 22.

Tornado

12-12-2008, 04:04 PM

What? ;)

Yeah, I know what a final act is. Thanks. But that trailer, is not a trailer for the final act of Smallville. It may be a trailer for a part of the final act of Smallville (provided there isn't a Season 9), but it's not how you described it.

Spirited Away

12-12-2008, 05:05 PM

Tomatoes, tomatoes.

Tornado

12-12-2008, 05:07 PM

That doesn't really work in this case. ;)

Neverending

12-13-2008, 12:52 AM

New trailer for Smallville's Final Act, and the Doomsday one is better quality:

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Very cool.

:eek::eek::eek:

King_of_Skid_Row

12-13-2008, 01:14 AM

Awesome :D :D !!!!!!

Tornado

12-13-2008, 08:49 AM

Does anybody else think it's odd that when Clark (presumably with his blue jacket on) bends down to talk to the kid in the first teaser, there is a man (in front of Clark, we don't see his face) wearing what looks like Clark's famed red jacket/blue shirt combo? I can't tell if the colors are deliberately muted, or if the man is wearing a brown jacket instead.

I'm sure it's nothing, but it just struck me as odd and worth bringing up.

I should have the final two episodes of Season 8 done and up today.

sshuttari

12-13-2008, 01:21 PM

Well Tornado and anyone else that is still interested I finally finished season 7 and have caught up with season 8.

I gotta say season 7 was mostly a waste until Lionell Luether died that's when things finally started picking up and the story got really interesting. But that was only 4 episodes.

Season 8 is in one word... amazing. Lex, Lionell, Lana, and Kara are all out of the picture.

The story is finally moving forward with the Superman Mythology with Clark and Louis finally realizing they have feelings for each other. Clark is finally part of the Daily Planet family and discovering his ability to do his own research and save people. I thought Chloe's storyline was handled very well even if it sucks to see her not know Clark's true identity.

But the best part is Doomsday is handled amazingly well so far... How they developed that story line from the beginning of the season is phenomenal. I was thinking they might wuss out on us and have Davis just have red eyes with super abilities but no they actually went all out he looks like the villian from the comics which is very surprising with the budget they had to work with.

This season has given me new hope for Smallville and is now on my top shows to watch.

Bride is my favorite episode ever, and I can't wait to see where the show is headed.

Tornado

12-13-2008, 02:29 PM

I gotta say season 7 was mostly a waste until Lionell Luether died that's when things finally started picking up and the story got really interesting. But that was only 4 episodes.

When Season 7 was in swing I loved it, and at the time thought it was probably the best season of the show so far. But in retrospect, there are so many glaring issues with it. As you said, Descent (Lionel's death) is one of the strongest episodes of the season (and series in my opinion). But at the same time, I hate the damn Veritas plot, and am so glad the show has moved on from that arc and has instead gone back to building the characters instead of just placing them in goofy positions (Bizarro showing up in mid-season, Veritas, Lana having powers, etc.) and catching their reactions.

Season 8 is in one word... amazing. Lex, Lionell, Lana, and Kara are all out of the picture.

The story is finally moving forward with the Superman Mythology with Clark and Louis finally realizing they have feelings for each other. Clark is finally part of the Daily Planet family and discovering his ability to do his own research and save people. I thought Chloe's storyline was handled very well even if it sucks to see her not know Clark's true identity.

I don't mind Lionel and Kara being gone, I'm completely thrilled Lana is gone (but I despise the fact she's back), but I do miss Lex. He wasn't my favorite character (top 5 after Clark, Lois, and probably Chloe), but he was a strong and well-developed character who, with Lionel's recent death, they had just begun to tap into the true potential of. For how great Season 8 is, I think it would be even better with Lex instead of Tess (or maybe in addition to Tess, she's starting to grow on me).

Chloe's storyline is the only disappointing aspect of the season for me, as I hate the fact that Brainiac has taken her over. But at the same time, I do like that Clark removed her memories of his 'extracurricular activities' from her mind. It does sort of undermine parts of Seasons 5-7, but it helps to strengthen Clark's character and to further show that he really does have everyone's best interests in mind.

But the best part is Doomsday is handled amazingly well so far... How they developed that story line from the beginning of the season is phenomenal. I was thinking they might wuss out on us and have Davis just have red eyes with super abilities but no they actually went all out he looks like the villian from the comics which is very surprising with the budget they had to work with.

I completely agree. I was really iffy when they announced Doomsday would not only be on the show (a show not about Superman, but about Clark before he became Superman) but would also be human (well, we know he's not human, but you know what I mean) as well really irritated me. And as you said, with Smallville's budget I really thought we'd see Davis with red eyes and fangs or something for Doomsday, but they really pulled out all the stops for the character. I'm anxious to see him again, as I'm sure we'll eventually get a full look at him.

Bride is my favorite episode ever, and I can't wait to see where the show is headed.

Bride is far from my favorite episode (probably Season 2's Rosetta), but it was definitely a solid end to the first half of the season. And it certainly served to make me really anxious for the show's return in January, as I can't seem to think about anything but the show at the moment.

Tornado

12-13-2008, 02:31 PM

Third to last episode of my season folks:

S8E20 Doomsday
Picking up about a month after Trust, Lois and Clark have been together for a few weeks now. The episode starts the way many do; it’s just an average day at the Daily Planet. Lois is ribbing on Clark, but he just laughs it off. It’s hard to say exactly what I want to happen, but Clark has moments with all of his friends still on the show (primarily Lois, though) because at the end of the episode…. Well, I’ll get there. After all of these brief beats (with Lois, Chloe, and Jimmy), he gets a call from Oliver. They can’t talk though as Oliver’s phone cuts out after giving Clark an address. Before leaving, he kisses Lois and asks if they’re still on for tonight. She says “Absolutely,” and tells him to go. What they don’t know is the Manhunter, Oliver, Bart, Victor, A.C., and Dinah are in battle with Doomsday at the moment in broad daylight, who has escaped the Zone with the help of Lex, and they are getting beaten pretty badly at that.

Clark shows up to find Doomsday gone, and a path of destruction left in his wake. Buildings are completely caved in on themselves, the streets are all collapsed in, power lines and telephone poles are down, innocent civilians are dead in the streets, fires are everywhere, and the Justice League are just barely hanging on. Clark, still in broad daylight, starts picking up the people still alive and speeding them to Metropolis General, and he uses his freeze breath to put out the fires before he turns to the League. Everybody is hurt and bloodied, but still alive. John tells Clark he doesn’t know where the Monster went.

Clark leaves for the Fortress to speak to Jor-El. Jor-El tells him the strategy he used to defeat Doomsday in Frozen won’t work this time, as he is now immune to extreme temperatures. Jor-El tells Clark this is a fight he cannot win, but Clark says he cannot stand by and let his home be destroyed. Jor-El tells Clark he’s proud of him and that he will always be with him even in this – his darkest moment. Clark says “Goodbye father,” and flies back to Metropolis.

He spots Doomsday in the streets below and crashes into the ground (similar to how Clark landed on New Krypton in Superman Returns, he meant business), directly facing the monster. The two rush toward each other with fists clenched. Since Clark’s heat vision and freeze breath are now useless against it, it’s all fisticuffs on both sides. They crash through buildings, into the Subway system, Clark attempts to fly up with the monster and then rapidly crash into the ground with the creature but it does little to stop it. By now, onlookers are starting to gather. Clark stands up from the crash and backs away; Doomsday rises out of the rubble and dust and roars at Clark. Clark looks frustrated, but then his expression changes to intense and motivated. Doomsday speeds at Clark, who delivers the most powerful punch he’s delivered in the entire series. Doomsday is knocked about 100 feet back, taking out several abandoned cars in the street. The crowd around the two explodes in cheers and applause as Clark briefly looks at them before turning his attention back to Doomsday.

Doomsday rises and rushes back to attack Clark, throwing him back about 100 feet as well. Lois and several news teams are beginning to show up to cover the event, and we quickly see the fight from Chloe’s television screen. She and Jimmy look on in horror as Doomsday beats the hell out someone who they assume to just be a meteor freak (or someone who can hold his own against D-Day anyway). Lois looks devastated. But just when it looks like all hope is lost, Clark bares his teeth and kicks Doomsday in the chest sending him flying back. Clark slowly stands up and wipes the blood from his mouth and Doomsday rises as well, but he doesn’t move. Clark looks at Lois and smiles and mouths “Goodbye.” Clark starts to walk toward the monster, when his life begins to flash before his eyes. The show begins to intercut between quick shots of his past (Clark and his mother and father embracing each other, Clark and Lois, Clark and Chloe, Lana, Pete, Kara, Lex, etc.) and him slowly walking toward his end. As he’s walking he says to Doomsday, “All my life I’ve been forced to hold back. I feel like I live in a world made out of cardboard, always having to make sure I don’t hug someone or shake someone’s hand too tight, always afraid of hurting somebody. But I don’t have to do that with you, do I? With you, I can finally cut loose and show this world what I’m really capable of.” Doomsday throws a punch, but Clark blocks it and retaliates with his own. Doomsday knocks him down and back 20 feet or so.

Clark, directly in the sunlight, stands up as Doomsday starts to run forward. Clark cocks back; in slow motion we can see the wind jetting off of Clark’s arm as it moves back. The Man of Steel and Doomsday punch at the same time, sending each other flying back several hundred feet. Doomsday is dead, and Clark is inches away. Lois runs into the street and cradles Clark, crying hysterically. Lois kisses him on the forehead and tells him it’s going to be OK. She says she loves him. He smiles and stares in her eyes, and then slumps in her arms. Lois loses it and starts crying even harder as the show fades to black.

Tornado

12-13-2008, 03:42 PM

S8E21 Requiem
This is kind of a complicated episode as I want to do more than just show Clark’s funeral, the process leading up to it, and the reactions after the fact. Needless to say, it’d be a busy one to put it lightly. Also, I’d be bringing back a lot of previous characters on the show for at least this episode (most would hang around for the series finale as well, but you’ll know who when I get to that point) up to and including: Martha, Lana, Pete, Kara, Perry White (no dialogue), and probably a few others as well. Lex would be at the funeral as well, in case anybody was wondering.

It’s a little annoying, but I guess what I would probably do is not “kill” off the character of Clark Kent. To the public who cares, I guess Clark is on vacation up north or something because if both Clark and the Good Samaritan “died” in the previous episode it’s going to be pretty obvious to the world that Clark is Superman when he shows up again in the series finale. This way, if the funeral is strictly for the Good Samaritan, I can get by with Chloe and Jimmy not learning Clark’s secret and of course avoiding the revelation landmine that would crop up in the final show.

This would, by far, be the most depressing episode of the series. Forgetting the actual funeral for a moment, one of the biggest aspects of this episode would have to be conveying how much hope and joy the Good Samaritan actually brought to the world and, of course, Clark’s friends and family. Before the funeral, I’d like to see something of a one-on-one between Martha and Lois. They’d share moments they had with Clark to really illustrate the way they saw him (preferably moments we’ve seen in the series), before Martha tells Lois how much Clark really cared for her. It’d be told that Clark and Martha saw each other almost every day (after all, the trip to D.C. is like two seconds for Clark – why wouldn’t they see each other frequently?), and Martha would sense a certain giddiness in Clark when their conversations would turn to Lois, something Martha claims she hasn’t seen in him since before Jonathan passed away. Martha would say something along the lines of being thankful for Lois, because she helped to keep Clark’s humanity in balance in some of his darkest times. Clark would never have admitted it before the two ultimately divulged their feelings for each other, but Martha tells her she always knew the two would end up together. There was a certain chemistry the two had that was undeniable, and she was thrilled to learn the two were going out. But then bitter reality sets in and Martha expresses her disbelief over Clark really being gone before the tears start up again and Lois is forced to be a shoulder for Martha, despite her own depression.

There is a huge turnout for the burial in Smallville – hundreds upon hundreds show up to pay their respects to him. I say Smallville because Jimmy’s theory of the Good Samaritan starting out in Smallville (as he brought up in Identity) is more or less universally believed by now. Anyway, Lois is covering the story for the Planet so she and Martha manage to kind of be at the center of things. Chloe and Jimmy are not in attendance (as they don’t know it’s Clark, naturally). Pete and Lana are shown together (to hint at their future relationship) somewhere in the middle of the pack, Kara is in the middle as well, and Lex and Tess are way in the back. I prefer to think Lex is coming to Clark’s funeral just to make sure he is dead. This is not a Lex coming to pay his respects to his old friend, that Lex is long gone. Tess lingers for a second after Lex walks away, but follows him shortly after.

There were a few other things I wanted to do with this episode, but I think I’d be pretty close to running out of time by now after factoring in the random scenes with Jimmy or Chloe or whoever that I’ve basically skipped talking about in typing up all of these premises.

I had a hard time deciding what the final moment of the episode would be; my initial thought was something like Lois or Martha sprinkling dirt on Clark’s grave, but I decided against that rather quickly. And then I thought (only somewhat seriously) about doing a reunion between Kal-El and his biological parents, but that went out the window almost as quickly as it entered.

We’d still see Lois sprinkle dirt over his grave, but that wouldn’t be the final shot. In what I think would be a fitting ending to the episode, and something of an acknowledgement that Clark is really dead this time, the Fortress goes dark as it did in Season 6.

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Well, that’s it for these lead-ins to the script for the series finale – Destiny. I’m hoping to have something of an outline done this weekend (we’ll see though – I do have finals I should be studying for) to make the script-writing over the next couple of weeks a little easier. Keep in mind that I will be shooting for, at the very least, probably 75 pages. I’m hoping for about a 90-minute episode, but there will probably be a few action scenes that’ll last longer than it takes to read through the description.

EnderDeschain

12-14-2008, 10:51 PM

Well I finally got time to sit down and read all this and damn. Great stuff. Once again, there's really not much to say because you've covered pretty much everything that needs to be covered. As someone who's only been watching for a few seasons (I started in season five, and have watched some of the previous stuff since but not much), I obviously can't present any ideas you haven't thought through already. I will say, though, that Lex doesn't feel involved enough with your last few episodes. His retrieving Doomsday is important, sure, but I would like to see him have a larger role. I guess with these just being synopses (is that a word?) there's probably a lot of room for actual scenes involving him if these were to really play out, so it wouldn't feel that way in the finished product probably. I really dig your thinking behind the Guardian episode, that could be a tear-jerker but not overly pessimistically so. I'm really looking forward to your Destiny script.

Tornado

12-15-2008, 12:07 AM

I agree with your thinking on Lex not being involved much. Frankly, I wasn't really sure what to do with him on an episode by episode basis. I knew I wanted to see a big confrontation between him and Clark upon his return, I wanted to see him somehow involved with the Diana Prince introduction episode, and I knew I wanted him to release Doomsday but I didn't know much beyond that. He does have a large part in the finale though (which I have started writing).

But like you said, several of these plot synopses really don't cover more than a handful of scenes, and would realistically have another four to six scenes spread throughout it as well. Chloe, for example, has very little to do in these lead-ins, but as you can tell I was really just focusing on Clark and to a lesser extent Lois.

Part of the problem is that I just picked it up from where the producers left off with Bride, not fully sure where they were taking certain aspects of the plot. Some of the stuff was easy to straighten out (getting Clark from Bride to essentially Superman by the season's end), but others were a little tougher (the Doomsday/Chloe/Brainiac triangle). One that I felt kind of guilty about just dumping was Lana's secret text messaging; I mentioned it was Lex, but I never really elaborated on that because I couldn't come up with anything. Ah well.

I tell ya though, the Lex in Destiny is a much darker character than we've seen on the actual show. I know that's probably kind of hard to believe, but I've already set at least one thing in motion (and I haven't even finished the cold opening) that is going to make part of the episode hard to watch. I will probably end up re-writing it, as even I don't know if that's a road I really want to go down.

musiclovr89

12-19-2008, 04:41 PM

I dont think this show is anywhere near as good as it used to be. Im kind of disappointed by that.

Tornado

12-19-2008, 04:46 PM

Could you elaborate, please? What about the show now do you not like, or what about the show from the earlier seasons did you love? And just to check, you are watching Season 8, correct? Because I felt the same way until Season 8 started up.

I do miss the family dynamics between Clark/Jonathan/Martha and Lex/Lionel though.

unity768

12-19-2008, 05:08 PM

I remember in the earlier seasons when everything was a bit brighter and filled with life. Not to say this season sucks (actually very awesome) but sometimes I miss those feel good endings of the episodes that were alive during seasons one and two.

sshuttari

12-20-2008, 03:16 AM

I just want for the new episodes to start already, waiting sucks...

Tornado

12-20-2008, 08:43 AM

Agreed. It's been several weeks already (four and some change, believe it or not), and we're just hitting the halfway point. :(

I don't think it's been announced how many episodes there will be when the show comes back. Traditionally, the show also goes on a spring hiatus after five or six episodes.

Tornado

12-20-2008, 10:10 PM

The official descriptions for the next two episodes!

Legion:

DC COMICS’ LEGION OF SUPER-HEROES ARRIVE IN SMALLVILLE FROM THE FUTURE TO HELP CLARK STOP BRAINIAC AND THE PERSUADER — The aftermath of Doomsday’s (Sam Witwer) attack on Chloe (Allison Mack) and Jimmy’s (Aaron Ashmore) wedding leaves Clark (Tom Welling) in shock, but before he can search for the kidnapped Chloe, The Persuader (guest star Fraser Aithceson) appears and attacks him. Rokk (guest star Ryan Kennedy), Imra (guest star Alexz Johnson) and Garth (guest star Calum Worthy), also known as The Legion, step in from the future to help vanquish the Persuader and the group realizes Brainiac has taken over Chloe once again. Meanwhile, up at the Fortress, Chloe, as Brainiac, informs Davis he is Doomsday and was created to kill “the other Kryptonian” and destroy the world. Glen Winter directed the episode written by Geoff Johns (#3T7461).

Bulletproof:

JOHN JONES IS SHOT — Clark (Tom Welling) discovers John Jones (guest star Phil Morris) was shot while working as a police officer, so Clark dons the uniform and goes undercover to find the culprit. Meanwhile, Lana (Kristin Kreuk) confronts Tess (Cassidy Freeman) and tells her Lex isn’t the man she thinks he is. Lana’s shocking news forces Tess to reevaluate her position as the head of Luthorcorp. Morgan Beggs directed the episode written by Bryan Miller (#3T7462).

JheyDC

12-22-2008, 12:18 PM

It looks cool, but after writing my own version of the show I'm a little disappointed. :redface: It's quite spoiler-ish folks, so viewer beware.

Hey you did warn us before you put up your outline Tornado.

Your episodes are definitely great man. Good back up and story line for the characters. It would be awesome if you had some of your story line in the actual show. ;) You'd be like "Hey, they took my idea!" :angry: Then there'd be a lawsuit, and you have your witnesses. The CS Community ;) hehe one can really just go off and start imagining crazy things. :redface:

We have what three weeks left? Anyone watching the reruns?

JheyDC

12-22-2008, 12:21 PM

I dont think this show is anywhere near as good as it used to be. Im kind of disappointed by that.

Could you elaborate, please? What about the show now do you not like, or what about the show from the earlier seasons did you love? And just to check, you are watching Season 8, correct? Because I felt the same way until Season 8 started up.

I think you scared him off Tornado :)

I do miss the family dynamics between Clark/Jonathan/Martha and Lex/Lionel though.

Same here, with Pete also. I mean it is Smallville after all. Maybe we can have flashback of some memory between Clark and Jonathan. A scene they didn't show just to bring the family dynanmics back into the show.

JheyDC

12-22-2008, 12:27 PM

The official descriptions for the next two episodes!

Major spoilers alright! Dang, both episode look really awesome, they're really pulling out the big guns with this season. Can't wait!

Tornado

12-22-2008, 12:40 PM

Your episodes are definitely great man. Good back up and story line for the characters. It would be awesome if you had some of your story line in the actual show. ;) You'd be like "Hey, they took my idea!" :angry: Then there'd be a lawsuit, and you have your witnesses. The CS Community ;) hehe one can really just go off and start imagining crazy things. :redface:

We have what three weeks left? Anyone watching the reruns?

If they were to use my ideas, I'd be honored. If (and that's a staggeringly large if obviously) they were to use my storylines I'd seek a story credit or something like that, but I wouldn't seek a lawsuit. After all, how angry could I really be that they'd be finishing the season the way I had hoped? :)

And I'm not watching the reruns. I've got all ten episodes from this season saved on my hard drive, so if I ever feel the inclination they're right there at my fingertips.

Same here, with Pete also. I mean it is Smallville after all. Maybe we can have flashback of some memory between Clark and Jonathan. A scene they didn't show just to bring the family dynanmics back into the show.

Truth be told, I don't really miss Pete. I liked him a lot in the first and second seasons, but when he started to get jealous of Clark before he ultimately left in season 3 is when my interest in the character went down the tubes. He just sorta became dead weight in the third season IMO, as the "back-up" story of the season (the primary storyline always being Clark, his development, and his immediate family and friends) focused more on Lex and Lionel than anybody else. They didn't put much effort into developing Pete past him being a tad jealous in Velocity and Truth.

I've come to terms with Lex and Lionel being gone; the only characters I really miss are Jonathan and Martha at this point. It'd be nice to have Lex back, but I get the feeling he'll show up again (for real, not another Bride-esque scene) before the series comes to a close. Jonathan almost certainly isn't coming back, and I would guess Martha won't either... maybe the series finale.

JheyDC

12-22-2008, 12:44 PM

Maybe...we did get a lot of great father son scenes between Lex and Lionel. Loved their dialogues. They are both great characters, and they keep you guessing if they were really trying to help Clark out at all. Good times...

Tornado

12-22-2008, 05:17 PM

New promo for Legion:

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It's pretty spoiler-ish, just so you know in advance.

Alien

12-22-2008, 05:29 PM

Legion on paper sounds good, but promos all just make it looks like the cheesiest episode of the season yet.

Tornado

12-22-2008, 05:32 PM

I think that's definitely possible.

Regardless, it's new Smallville and I can't ****ing wait.

Tornado

12-26-2008, 12:25 PM

Script update folks!

Well, I've decided to start over from scratch. I'd written about 40 pages, but a lot of it was just text describing the scenes; after reading what I'd written, it came off like more of a book than a script.

I should still be able to finish it by the time Legion airs, but I'm probably going to be pushing it a little. Also, while this is of course meaningless to you as you don't know what I originally wrote, I'm going to throw away the rulebook I had in my mind and introduce whoever I want and do whatever I want. I want people to be able to pick up a Superman comic from the Silver Age (I'm not doing Red Tornado or Booster Gold or anything like that from the current comics) and not feel the need for a back story because of where we left the character in the "Smallville" series finale.

We're still not going to see Batman in the flesh as that wouldn't be accurate to the timeline established in the films (which I'm kind of trying to branch into), but I think you'll like what you read.

Alien

12-26-2008, 07:01 PM

Booster Gold for the win! I loved that guy in Justice League and in the 52 comics.

ViRUs

12-27-2008, 05:18 PM

Neverending

12-28-2008, 04:08 AM

Legion on paper sounds good, but promos all just make it looks like the cheesiest episode of the season yet.

I don't care. It's better than Lana Lang drama.

Tornado

12-28-2008, 11:29 AM

Man, I keep hearing all these great things about this season I can wait to see it.

Anyways, update for anyone who cares. Just finished season three, and the first episode of season four. Season three's ending was awesome, probably the best of the three. For some reason, the premieres have always kind of been ok. They just take an hour to set things back to normal. Nice to finally see Lois Lane though.

Yeah, Covenant was my favorite season finale at the time too.

But yeah, traditionally the season finales are used to right whatever wrongs are still left on the table. By the second episode things are always back to normal. There are only two times I can think of them not following that formula: Seasons 5 and 6. And even then I'm pushing it with those two.

Enjoy Season 4 though. It's far from the best season IMO, but it's more "fun" than any other season.

ViRUs

12-29-2008, 06:26 PM

thanks, and just because I forget, and dont feel like looking for it, what would you say is the best season? You dont have to rank them really, just kind of say which one you liked the most. Not counting 8, because thats on right now.

Tornado

12-29-2008, 06:58 PM

Hmm, not counting Season 8 I'd probably say either Season 3 or 5. I like damn near every episode out of Season 3 (I'm still not wild about Velocity, Forsaken, or anything with Adam Knight), but Clark spent way too much time pining over Lana.

Season 5, on the other hand, had a fair amount of duds (a good chunk of the second half of the season) but at the same time had a handful of flat-out amazing episodes that more than made up for the weaker ones - Arrival, Hidden, Solitude, Vessel, Reckoning, etc.

Truth be told, the more I re-watch Season 6 the more I enjoy it. Probably eight or nine of the first 13 episodes are great, but then there are only a few good episodes after that amidst the ridiculously lesser shows.

I'd say Season 5 was probably my favorite pre-Season 8 season.

JheyDC

12-30-2008, 10:23 AM

17 Days to go Before Legion woot!

Alien

12-30-2008, 01:42 PM

Really!? 17 day, that's nothing.

Tornado

01-01-2009, 12:51 PM

It's still too far away, but at least we're in the same month now.

Tornado

01-01-2009, 04:39 PM

The first promo shot for the season finale, Superman!!!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v205/theanomaly/plas17v2766vh8.jpg

I'm just kidding, if you didn't already figure it out. It was made by MAN O STEEL over at the Hype. Kudos to him on this awesome manipulation if he sees this.

Spirited Away

01-01-2009, 05:45 PM

Son of a-

;)

ViRUs

01-01-2009, 06:42 PM

JheyDC

01-02-2009, 12:41 PM

haha good one Tornado!

If the suit fits...

FVD

01-02-2009, 09:20 PM

...burn it. :D

Darth Maul

01-03-2009, 12:42 AM

Darth Maul

01-04-2009, 01:26 AM

whens smallville back

sshuttari

01-04-2009, 03:58 AM

January 15th

Tornado

01-04-2009, 08:48 AM

Not soon enough.

JheyDC

01-05-2009, 10:55 AM

Only 10 Days now...see that wasn't so bad Tornado.. ;)

Spirited Away

01-05-2009, 04:58 PM

The Persuader looks truly incredible. Those eyes... :D

http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/6484/legion3og3.jpg

JheyDC

01-05-2009, 04:59 PM

Hhaha he reminds of Leo in The Man In The Iron Mask

Tornado

01-06-2009, 11:20 PM

Deal Close For Tom Welling & Smallville Season 9?
Entertainment Weekly's Michael Ausiello has posted some good news for those of us who are hoping for a ninth season of Smallville starring Tom Welling.

From this week's Ask Ausiello column:

Question: Any news as to whether Tom Welling has signed on for another season of Smallville? -- Scarlett
Ausiello: Yes, there's news, and it's good. Some would even call it, ahem, super. According to a well-placed Smallville insider, Welling is nearing a deal to return for a ninth season. I'm told they're just ironing out some minor deal points, such as should the Brinks Truck pull into the actor's driveway, or just unload on the street.

**** YEAH!!!!! WOO-HOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :D :) :csgrin:

R-Type

01-07-2009, 09:49 AM

cool news- maybe CK will die in the season 8 finale?

JheyDC

01-07-2009, 09:52 AM

Hahahah that's cool how he worded that last part...so I guess its all down to money dealing...and he mention the word Super..could it finally be Tornado???

R-Type, you have the same prediction as Tornado about CK dying, he wrote a few plots a few pages back..you should take a look, they're really good...

Tornado

01-07-2009, 10:45 AM

Haha, oh how I'd love to work on Season 9...

I'm still just ridiculously excited that this year isn't the end. :D

JheyDC

01-07-2009, 11:25 AM

Same here, more Smallville to come. Looking forward to it! Cheers!

R-Type

01-07-2009, 11:36 AM

I skimed thru Tornados ideas and really like them! the funeral is great can't wait until script for finale.

Tornado

01-07-2009, 11:39 AM

Yeah, the script... it's coming. ;)

I'm having a hard time nailing the characters down. I can write Chloe because she's kind of goofy. A lot of her lines in the actual show are really corny and that's easy to do; it's a little more difficult writing characters like Perry and Martha.

I almost certainly won't be done by the time Legion airs next week, but I assure you I will finish it in the next month or so.

JheyDC

01-07-2009, 11:42 AM

looks like you have another fan Tornado! ah hurry up already! Joke! :)

Tornado

01-07-2009, 11:47 AM

I've had a lot of distractions these past couple of weeks (seeing friends home for winter break and playing through The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess have highlighted that), but the rest of this week and next will more or less be void of these (most of my friends have either gone back or are going back shortly, and I'll be done with TP either today or tomorrow).

I'm really jazzed about some of the later stuff in the script though, believe me. The Justice League material will be a lot of fun (and bringing back some familiar and... well, not so familiar faces), and the final confrontation in the show between Clark and Lex will be a blast writing. I've already worked out some dialogue for that one.

I can't believe Legion is a week away from tomorrow! :D

JheyDC

01-07-2009, 11:53 AM

Right? See, you're still alive! I can just hear it now..

Voiceover: "Previously on Smallville"

carnage4u

01-07-2009, 12:43 PM

I dont watch the show a lot, but ive been catching up via DVD.

Isnt show clark fly during a commerical sort of lame, shouldnt that sort of hype be shown in the show for the viewers.

also whats with all this fan made stuff in this thread, it hard to read and follow with that here. There is a specific sub forum for that kind of stuff for a reason.

JheyDC

01-07-2009, 12:46 PM

Well, the readers were warned and there's a few of us that want to read that stuff. Read at your own risk my friend. There's a lot of spoilers here.

Tornado

01-07-2009, 12:59 PM

Isnt show clark fly during a commerical sort of lame, shouldnt that sort of hype be shown in the show for the viewers.

Clark wasn't flying in that shot; you're referring to an episode that has already aired - Prey. It's been used a lot in the recent previews. Or you're talking about the shot where a tiny streak of light is shooting through the night's sky; that would be Kara, not Clark.

also whats with all this fan made stuff in this thread, it hard to read and follow with that here. There is a specific sub forum for that kind of stuff for a reason.

Great way to introduce yourself to a new community carnage, already getting on someone's case. Just relax. And in case you haven't noticed, there are only a handful of regular posters in this thread. And as I was posting the stories, everybody was either on board from the get-go or just ignored them.

And there was nothing to follow when I was posting those, as that was literally the only discussion going on at the time.

R-Type

01-07-2009, 01:33 PM

this is a smallville thread, and tornado is writing about smallville. what is the problem carnage4u?

WuTical

01-07-2009, 10:16 PM

Tornado

01-08-2009, 09:14 AM

If Welling does indeed come back for a 9th season, I think there's a good chance Rosenbaum would too for the final season. When he left he stated he wanted to move on and do other things, but he hasn't. He's done one thing since wrapping on Smallville, and that was James Gunn's pet project "PG Porn." Guess what - Rosenbaum plays Charlie Brown (as it uses the characters from that comic), who is ALSO BALD!

I think we'll see him again, either before this season is over or at the start of next. And that would be an awesome season - Clark working at the Daily Planet and having embraced his destiny and Lex being as evil as ever.

JheyDC

01-08-2009, 09:17 AM

I'd am crossing my fingers for that. Like I said before, I haven't seen Rosenbaum around and I do miss their Clark and Lex interactions. Can't wait. And yes Wutical, Smallville can use some of Tornado's ideas! ;)

R-Type

01-08-2009, 01:48 PM

they should let Lex grow his hair back- he has the resources to grow clones and convinced his wife shes pregnant, how difficult can hair be?

JheyDC

01-08-2009, 01:52 PM

hahah true true...but it would totally distract the audience...have you seen him with hair? not very pretty hahahahah

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01-08-2009, 02:11 PM

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JheyDC

01-08-2009, 02:12 PM

Uh...no! You're in the wrong thread!

Tornado

01-08-2009, 02:19 PM

Yeah, that's likely a virus just waiting to happen.

JheyDC

01-09-2009, 11:25 AM

6 days left! :)

Tornado

01-09-2009, 03:03 PM

So far away...

Ah well, it'll give me time to re-watch the first half of Season 8 again.

Tornado

01-10-2009, 12:41 AM

From K-Site:

The Official CW Description for the 13th episode of the season, Power:

ALLISON MACK’S DIRECTORIAL DEBUT — Clark (Tom Welling) finds Tess (Cassidy Freeman) in Lana’s (Kristin Kreuk) ransacked apartment and realizes Lana is missing. Tess tells him Lex is still alive and may have kidnapped Lana and finally reveals the truth about what happened to Lana after she awoke from her Brainiac-induced coma. Meanwhile, Tess breaks into a secret LuthorCorp facility and is shocked at what she discovers. This description originally posted at KryptonSite. Allison Mack directed the episode written by Darren Swimmer & Todd Slavkin (#3T7463).

Tornado

01-10-2009, 09:18 PM

Here is the known schedule for the coming weeks (from K-Site):

1/15 Legion NEW!
1/22 Bulletproof NEW!
1/29 Power NEW!
2/5 Requiem NEW!
2/12 Prey
2/19 Identity
2/26 Bloodline

---------------

Presumably, Bride would air on the 5th, putting Infamous on the 12th.

Dr. Osterman

01-13-2009, 03:16 PM

Anyone have any idea how they're gonna work out the glasses conundrum?

Tornado

01-13-2009, 06:37 PM

Tornado

01-13-2009, 06:42 PM

Just saw this (from IGN):

Smallville: Update on a Ninth Season
The CW's president talks about whether Clark Kent will be back.
by Eric Goldman

January 13, 2009 - There has been a lot of talk lately that Smallville, originally assumed to be ending this season, could possibly be renewed for a ninth season. Yesterday, I asked the CW's President of Entertainment, Dawn Ostroff, how likely it is that we'll see another season, and she replied, "We're starting to talk about it. Obviously, we are prepared either way. If the show doesn't go on, we've got a series finale that the writers have been thinking about, but I think we'd all love to see the show come back."

Ostroff went on to say, "Creatively, we've got a new team of writers who are running the show and they've done a great job with the series this year. We've gotten great feedback from the fans. It's interesting, because they've even used more female characters this year, which I think has even really helped it blend in more with the rest of the [CW] lineup. So, we've been really pleased with the show and would love to see it back."

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Well, that pretty much does it. It seems almost 100% confirmed that Welling is coming back, and since the network is intent on a Season 9 ---- it sounds like this thread will still be in business come September. :)

sshuttari

01-14-2009, 06:42 AM

let's not get too carried away. Things have a way of not working out even when we the fans really want them too.

I think we should just concentrate on this season for now and where it's going rather then next year and hopefully it gets picked up.

Tornado

01-14-2009, 08:39 AM

I'm not worried about it.

JheyDC

01-14-2009, 03:42 PM

A little over 29 hours to go until Legion airs...woot!

Keep your pants on Tornado, its almost here! ;)

Tornado

01-14-2009, 04:50 PM

The first of the official Season 8 promo shots:

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y202/theanomaly2/edseason8.jpg

I guess the show's sister show, Supernatural, is getting its promo shots tomorrow. I suspect Smallville probably will as well.

sshuttari

01-14-2009, 05:02 PM

Dan's_Gurl

01-14-2009, 05:08 PM

Where did you hear that? Supernatural already has quite a few official promo shots available (which is nice, since we only got two or three of Jensen Ackles last year after the season finished).

Tornado

01-14-2009, 05:17 PM

Geoff Johns who is the writer for of tomorrow's episode... I keep reading online how much of a big deal it is.

I don't think it is that big of a deal he wrote some stuff for blade and the first episode of Justice League....

It probably won't blow me away.

Well, he's not known for Blade. He's known for writing the recent "Infinite Crisis," he was one of four writers on the recent "52," he is responsible for bringing back Hal Jordan, and worked with Richard Donner on Action Comics.

The man knows what he's doing.

Where did you hear that? Supernatural already has quite a few official promo shots available (which is nice, since we only got two or three of Jensen Ackles last year after the season finished).

I don't really remember where I read it, but if I come across something in my daily web scouring tomorrow I'll be sure to post them in that thread. :)

It's possible I may have misread something though if Supernatural already got its Season.... 4 (I think, I don't watch it) shots.

Dr. Osterman

01-14-2009, 06:27 PM

It's hard to say; my only thought is that Clark will just wind up telling Lois he is Kal-El/Superman before the series ends. Jimmy is already confident Clark is not the Good Samaritan, and I'm guessing Chloe will probably die at some point this season or next. Lex will probably kill Tess when he inevitably returns (Rosenbaum recently said he'd come back at the end of the series if he could wear a bald cap). That way he could wear the glasses and confuse the people at the Planet who don't know him that well, and also the public in general.

For the first time in the show's history, I genuinely don't really know where they're going with this season. A lot of that hinges on the fact that Season 8 may or may not be the last as Tom Welling is in the process of signing a new contract, but it all comes down to the CW renewing the show --- "Smallville" is the highest rated drama on the network though, so I don't see why they wouldn't. If Season 8 is it, what happens to Doomsday? I'm certain Clark will die if there is a Season 9 (he and Doomsday will "kill" each other), but if there isn't - how do you wrap up Superman, flight, Doomsday, Brainiac, Chloe, Lana, and etc. in half a season?

Anyway, it should be interesting. :)

Clark telling Lois he's Superman at the beginning of his career as Superman? Nah, hope that doesn't happen. And Jimmy might be confident that Clark isn't the Good Samaritan but, uh, won't he still recognize Clark? And what about Lex? He knows Clark's secret. How is he gonna forget not only that, but also what Clark looks like? And the people at the Planet might not know him THAT well, but I have a feeling at least a few of 'em might look at Superman and go, "He looks familiar. And I know I've seen someone at work who wears red and blue ALL the TIME. Oh yeah, that copy boy." And considering how close Metropolis and Smallville seemingly are in this version, and how easy it is to get from one location to the other, even for the non-super powered, how are the people of Smallville not gonna recognize Superman?

And if there is a season 9 and Clark and Doomsday do kill each other, and I think bringing in Doomsday was a stupid idea, presumably Clark would come back. I say presumably because the writers of this show never make any sense.

The first of the official Season 8 promo shots:

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y202/theanomaly2/edseason8.jpg

She looks quite aged in that shot, :(.

King_of_Skid_Row

01-14-2009, 07:34 PM

Everybody is looking quite aged on the show. I know Clark is looking really thirty this season.

Tornado

01-14-2009, 07:40 PM

Clark telling Lois he's Superman at the beginning of his career as Superman? Nah, hope that doesn't happen. And Jimmy might be confident that Clark isn't the Good Samaritan but, uh, won't he still recognize Clark? And what about Lex? He knows Clark's secret. How is he gonna forget not only that, but also what Clark looks like? And the people at the Planet might not know him THAT well, but I have a feeling at least a few of 'em might look at Superman and go, "He looks familiar. And I know I've seen someone at work who wears red and blue ALL the TIME. Oh yeah, that copy boy." And considering how close Metropolis and Smallville seemingly are in this version, and how easy it is to get from one location to the other, even for the non-super powered, how are the people of Smallville not gonna recognize Superman?

Well first off, he doesn't wear red and blue at the Planet all the time. I can distinctly remember him wearing a suit a couple of times, a white dress-shirt once, and a dark shirt another time.

As far as people remembering and forgetting Clark, popular theory right now is that Clark will disappear for some time (3-4 years of training in the Fortress) and then return as Superman. As far as Lex goes, I don't mind him knowing Clark = Superman in the "adult" version of this continuity.

And if there is a season 9 and Clark and Doomsday do kill each other, and I think bringing in Doomsday was a stupid idea, presumably Clark would come back. I say presumably because the writers of this show never make any sense.

Just because you don't like the writing of the series doesn't mean the writers "never make any sense." They make plenty of sense; the series just isn't for everyone.

Tornado

01-14-2009, 07:42 PM

Everybody is looking quite aged on the show. I know Clark is looking really thirty this season.

Personally, I think that's a good thing. I've always kind of thought Clark looked too old for his "show age" when the series was starting out, but not old enough in the later seasons to ultimately look like the Superman we're familiar with.

Welling just looks really young in general.

Neverending

01-15-2009, 12:29 AM

The first of the official Season 8 promo shots:

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y202/theanomaly2/edseason8.jpg

What took them so long? The season is almost over!

JheyDC

01-15-2009, 10:17 AM

12 hours to go!

Tornado

01-15-2009, 10:31 AM

12? Do you watch it online or something? Eight and a half for me.

JheyDC

01-15-2009, 10:43 AM

Nope, its starts at 8pm here and I'm from California, its only 8:43 am here...:)

Alien

01-15-2009, 10:44 AM

Wait, tonight? I thought I downloaded it on a Sat and it was on Fri.

Alien

01-15-2009, 10:46 AM

Nope, its starts at 8pm here and I'm from California, its only 8:43 am here...:)
8:43am. Wow, your post was at 4:43pm here. I didn't think it was quite that different a time thing.

Actually it's probably right it just fells later hear coz it's been dark all day.

Tornado

01-15-2009, 12:25 PM

Nope, its starts at 8pm here and I'm from California, its only 8:43 am here...:)

That sucks. It's later in the day here, and it starts at 7.

Maybe the TV channels think us Midwestern-ers need to get up early to prepare the harvest or something. ;)

JheyDC

01-15-2009, 12:55 PM

Right! LOL!

Well I usually come on here and just look at your review after you've watched the show in case CW doesn't air it here in California... :)

so 10:55 am here..10 hours and 5 minutes before the show airs...

Dr. Osterman

01-15-2009, 01:20 PM

Well first off, he doesn't wear red and blue at the Planet all the time. I can distinctly remember him wearing a suit a couple of times, a white dress-shirt once, and a dark shirt another time.

As far as people remembering and forgetting Clark, popular theory right now is that Clark will disappear for some time (3-4 years of training in the Fortress) and then return as Superman. As far as Lex goes, I don't mind him knowing Clark = Superman in the "adult" version of this continuity.

Just because you don't like the writing of the series doesn't mean the writers "never make any sense." They make plenty of sense; the series just isn't for everyone.

Wait, so the series has been going for the last seven years, roughly, and Clark's face hasn't changed at all. But at the end of the series, he goes away for 3 or 4 years, and comes back unrecognizable?! What?! And I'd hate it if Lex knew Clark was Superman. That'd just ruin the whole Lex/Clark dynamic.

And ya gotta admit, the show just does not make any sense. All these years, with Clark turning up everywhere at super speed, crashing through walls, knocking the bad guys who've seen him use his powers unconscious, all the bad guys who know his secret locked up in that asylum, and not one single person who isn't a close and trusted friend has had the intelligence to figure out on their own that there's something not quite right about Clark?! Come on! If they'd written in a reason for Clark to wear glasses all along, and if he'd been more careful and discreet about when, where, and in front of whom he'd used his powers, I'd say the show makes sense. But the writers have not made one logical decision since the beginning.

8:43am. Wow, your post was at 4:43pm here. I didn't think it was quite that different a time thing.

Actually it's probably right it just fells later hear coz it's been dark all day.

So you in the UK?

Alien

01-15-2009, 01:26 PM

So you in the UK?
Yes, I'm in Scotland.

That's way I download the show.

JheyDC

01-15-2009, 01:34 PM

Wait, so the series has been going for the last seven years, roughly, and Clark's face hasn't changed at all. But at the end of the series, he goes away for 3 or 4 years, and comes back unrecognizable?! What?! And I'd hate it if Lex knew Clark was Superman. That'd just ruin the whole Lex/Clark dynamic.

Well, sorry to burst your bubble there but Lex does know who Clark/Kal El is. I guess since you're not a follower of the show and comics and movies you'd think this way.

And ya gotta admit, the show just does not make any sense. All these years, with Clark turning up everywhere at super speed, crashing through walls, knocking the bad guys who've seen him use his powers unconscious, all the bad guys who know his secret locked up in that asylum, and not one single person who isn't a close and trusted friend has had the intelligence to figure out on their own that there's something not quite right about Clark?! Come on! If they'd written in a reason for Clark to wear glasses all along, and if he'd been more careful and discreet about when, where, and in front of whom he'd used his powers, I'd say the show makes sense. But the writers have not made one logical decision since the beginning.

Well it makes sense for a lot of people. He is Superman after all and can put anyone in the asylum. Where would the show lead then if everyone knew who he was? I mean your statement is stating that people should see him as Clark saving people, remember the books the comics. His identity is always the same. In the Lois and Clark Adventures it was the same here too..he wore glasses, suits and no one knows who he is...why do you expect Smallville to be any different in regards to his identity? Please elaborate..

Tornado

01-15-2009, 02:07 PM

Wait, so the series has been going for the last seven years, roughly, and Clark's face hasn't changed at all. But at the end of the series, he goes away for 3 or 4 years, and comes back unrecognizable?! What?! And I'd hate it if Lex knew Clark was Superman. That'd just ruin the whole Lex/Clark dynamic.

I didn't say he'd come back unrecognizable (so you can stop trying to put words in my mouth, thanks), I just said he'd come back after a few years. If I worked with someone I barely knew, and then they came back after a four year absence wearing glasses... well, I probably wouldn't remember them all too well. And besides, this is a story about a young Superman. If you can buy the fact that people can be mutated by kryptonite (through pure physical contact, nothing chemical) as Chloe did and yet be tied up by something like this, then I don't think this is the show for you.

And ya gotta admit, the show just does not make any sense.

First off, just stop it. You wanna argue? Fine, no problem with that. I love discussing the show, both with people who love it and people who have incessant problems with it. But don't say, "And ya gotta admit," because I loathe people who say that - people who treat their opinions as fact, when that's certainly not the case. Lay off.

All these years, with Clark turning up everywhere at super speed, crashing through walls, knocking the bad guys who've seen him use his powers unconscious, all the bad guys who know his secret locked up in that asylum, and not one single person who isn't a close and trusted friend has had the intelligence to figure out on their own that there's something not quite right about Clark?!

I just want to care clarify - you do watch the show, right? You're not just babbling? Lex has had obvious suspicions about Clark since day 1 and it's quite clear he knew a certain extent of Clark's powers in Season 7, Chloe was questioning Clark's nature long before Alicia showed her the truth, Lana did find out on her own, etc.

But the writers have not made one logical decision since the beginning.

That's one opinion. Not a fact.

Dr. Osterman

01-15-2009, 03:22 PM

Well, sorry to burst your bubble there but Lex does know who Clark/Kal El is. I guess since you're not a follower of the show and comics and movies you'd think this way.

I am a follower of the show, I have been since it began. And I'm a follower of comic based movies. Sure Lex knows who Clark is, NOW. But if the writers don't figure out a way that he can forget that, then he'll continue knowing who Clark is, and that would be unfaithful to almost 69 years of Lex/Clark history.

Well it makes sense for a lot of people. He is Superman after all and can put anyone in the asylum. Where would the show lead then if everyone knew who he was? I mean your statement is stating that people should see him as Clark saving people, remember the books the comics. His identity is always the same. In the Lois and Clark Adventures it was the same here too..he wore glasses, suits and no one knows who he is...why do you expect Smallville to be any different in regards to his identity? Please elaborate..

What do you mean he can put anyone in the asylum? What does that even mean? Anyway, in the last 70 years, Superman has saved people, and Clark has stood on the sidelines. Now we have a version where Clark is the one constantly saving people. Well that's fine, as long as he's careful and discreet enough not to get caught, but he's always making stupid mistakes that even a blind man could put two and two together and come up with, "Wow, Clark has super powers." It's fine for Superman to show off and crash through walls, but Clark?! Before he's even become Superman?! That's just ridiculous. So the fact that so few people know his secret when he himself has made it so astoundingly obvious is just beyond belief. I'm not saying I WANT more people to know his secret. I'm saying with the stupidity of the writers, I don't see how more people don't.

I didn't say he'd come back unrecognizable (so you can stop trying to put words in my mouth, thanks), I just said he'd come back after a few years. If I worked with someone I barely knew, and then they came back after a four year absence wearing glasses... well, I probably wouldn't remember them all too well. And besides, this is a story about a young Superman. If you can buy the fact that people can be mutated by kryptonite (through pure physical contact, nothing chemical) as Chloe did and yet be tied up by something like this, then I don't think this is the show for you.

Fine, but what about Lois? Lois hardly "barely knows" Clark. And who cares whether the show is scientifically accurate? You can follow the principles of BASIC logic without necessarily having to be scientifically true.

I just want to care clarify - you do watch the show, right? You're not just babbling? Lex has had obvious suspicions about Clark since day 1 and it's quite clear he knew a certain extent of Clark's powers in Season 7, Chloe was questioning Clark's nature long before Alicia showed her the truth, Lana did find out on her own, etc.

Did you read what I wrote? I specifically referred to "not one single person who isn't a close and trusted friend", and you've just referred to three close and/or trusted friends (Lex WAS a close friend, but never a trusted one). Name one character who wasn't close to Clark who figured out, on their own, through logic, that Clark has super powers. Because I betcha that for every one you could mention, I could probably name you ten (if I went back and studied every episode) who should have figured it out on their own, because Clark is always so careless, because the writers are careless in not having him hide his powers more effectively.

Tornado

01-15-2009, 03:38 PM

Fine, but what about Lois? Lois hardly "barely knows" Clark. And who cares whether the show is scientifically accurate? You can follow the principles of BASIC logic without necessarily having to be scientifically true.

As I said in the "series finale" thread, I'm not entirely convinced the series will end with Lois not knowing Clark's secret. So there's nothing to debate on that, yet.

Did you read what I wrote? I specifically referred to "not one single person who isn't a close and trusted friend", and you've just referred to three close and/or trusted friends (Lex WAS a close friend, but never a trusted one). Name one character who wasn't close to Clark who figured out, on their own, through logic, that Clark has super powers. Because I betcha that for every one you could mention, I could probably name you ten (if I went back and studied every episode) who should have figured it out on their own, because Clark is always so careless, because the writers are careless in not having him hide his powers more effectively.

Yeah, I misread what you said.

But in order to answer your question, it depends on what your definition of "logic" means. Because Van McNulty attempted to shoot Lex (in Season 3's Extinction), but ended up witnessing Clark catch the bullet before it hit Lex. I wouldn't call that logic, as Van saw Clark demonstrate his powers. Now, if you're not going to count people like Van (that goes for Ryan, Eric Summers, Maddie, and probably a dozen or so others) then there probably isn't anybody aside from Lex.

But at the same time, exactly how would you deduce that Clark has powers through "logic" without seeing him do something miraculous (forgetting the Veritas subplot with Lex for a moment)? I know what you're saying that he has saved a lot of people that didn't go to ever suspect him of having powers (the girl he saved in Season 1's Hourglass immediately comes to mind; the freak of the week threw the pre-Talon coffee-shop waitress into the street and Clark dove on top of her just before a delivery truck ran them both over), but I don't really see how you could assume Clark has powers without actually seeing him do something.

And it's not that Clark is careless, it's that a lot of times he just doesn't have enough time to consider people seeing him do something "special." Granted, that doesn't apply to every case, but it certainly works a lot of the time.