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Alien
07-29-2004, 06:19 PM
Experts have warned against a knee-jerk reaction after the parents of a murdered teenager blamed his killer's obsession with a violent video game.

The parents of Stefan Pakeerah, 14, who was stabbed in Leicester, have called for the game Manhunt to be banned.

Giselle Pakeerah said her son's confessed killer, Warren Leblanc, 17, had mimicked behaviour in Manhunt.

Industry bodies have said it is wrong to blame the game - which has an 18 certificate - but retailer Dixons has already taken it off the shelves.


Teenage killers

It is not the first time "shoot-em-up" video games have been blamed for triggering a violent response.

Relatives of Columbine High School victims filed a lawsuit against game makers after it was claimed teenage killers Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold were influenced by games including Doom.

And German teenager Robert Steinhaeuser, who shot dead 13 teachers and two fellow pupils before turning the gun on himself, was reportedly an avid fan of the game Counter-Strike.

Manhunt, developed by Edinburgh-based Rockstar North, is unusual in that players get higher points for inflicting a more grisly death.

It was banned six months ago in New Zealand because of concerns over its high level of violence.

Stefan died after Leblanc beat him with a claw hammer and stabbed him repeatedly with a knife.

But Mark Eyles, senior lecturer in computer games at Portsmouth University, said it was wrong to leap to the conclusion the game was to blame.

"It's an easy target," he told BBC News Online, saying it came down to parents to ensure their children played suitable games.

"If you have an extremely violent game that has been designed specifically for adults then that's who should be playing it - it's not appropriate for children," he said.

"It raises questions about what sort of society we want. Do we want to ban everything that is violent because it may be that children would get hold of it?

"Or do you want a society where people are responsible for themselves and for their children?"

He said there was no definitive research linking bloodthirsty games such as Manhunt with violent responses in players.

"I don't think it's going to drive anyone out to go and start murdering people - not unless they are already thinking along those lines," he said.

But US-based lawyer Jack Thompson, a leading campaigner against the sale of violent games, is set to take up the fight having been contacted by Mrs Pakeerah.

He is convinced of the direct link between increasing numbers of killings by teenagers and games like Manhunt.

Mr Thompson told BBC News Online: "It encourages you to enter into the notion that acting in this way is appropriate.

'Murder simulator'

"This is the problem with interactive violence - you enter into it as a participant much more than in a movie theatre."

He said neurological studies showed teenagers' brains processed stimuli from games differently to those of adults.

"These types of games are basically murder simulators. There are people being killed over here almost on a daily basis."

But a British Board of Film Classification (BBFC) spokeswoman said banning violent games was "using a very large sledgehammer to crack a very small nut".

A statement said: "For a game to be banned the BBFC would have to have very clear evidence that it was a cause of potential harm.

"There is no evidence playing video games results in violent behaviour. There is evidence that violent people are attracted to violent material.

"Manhunt is available throughout Europe without any restrictions. The UK has one of the most restrictive regulatory regimes."

Manhunt's maker Rockstar North expressed its "deepest sympathies to those affected by these tragic events".

A statement said: "Rockstar Games is a leading publisher of interactive entertainment geared towards mature audiences and markets its games responsibly, targeting advertising and marketing only to adult consumers aged 18 and older."

The firm said all its games were passed to the BBFC for classification.

The Entertainment and Leisure Software Publishers' Association, the video game industry body, said: "We sympathise enormously with the family and parents of Stefan Pakeerah.

"However, we reject any suggestion or association between the tragic events and the sale of the video game Manhunt."

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/3936237.stm

Alien
07-29-2004, 06:21 PM
My brother owns that game... it looks rubbish if you ask me.

So what are your views on violence in computer/video games?

cg124
07-29-2004, 06:21 PM
Another parent sueing a video game:rolleyes:

Mr.Matinee
07-29-2004, 06:22 PM
I've said it before,I'll say it again:

VIDEO.GAMES.DON'T.CAUSE.PEOPLE.TO.COMMIT.MURDER.

cg124
07-29-2004, 06:23 PM
Originally posted by Mr.Matinee
I've said it before,I'll say it again:

VIDEO.GAMES.DON'T.CAUSE.PEOPLE.TO.COMMIT.MURDER.

thank you, these parents just don't want to admit that there kid was just plain crazy

halo7
07-29-2004, 06:26 PM
yeah damn crazy adults

Mr.Matinee
07-29-2004, 06:26 PM
What's sad is that there are people that think a video game is a good model for your lifestyle.....:rolleyes:

tyneside_lad
07-29-2004, 06:35 PM
My thoughts are with the kids family (i understand), but...

This is stupid! If it wasn't this game, it would've been another or maybe some movie, perhaps something on the news or something the killer dreamt up himself! i feel that banning violent games, or videos etc isnt gonna stop this from happening! After playing pacman, do you feel the urge to run around and gobble pills? Or after playing tekken, do you feel the urge to fight some big muscular bloke? i doubt it. i dont feel that games and videos have as much influence as people think! i think that there must've been something already inside the lad that drove him to murder. Blaming a video game will not change anything!

[/end of rant]

Alien
07-29-2004, 06:40 PM
Originally posted by tyneside_lad
After playing pacman, do you feel the urge to run around and gobble pills? That is mad! I can have an overdoes out side casualty and sue the makers of Pacman for giving me the urge to eat all those pills. I'm gonna be rich!

Rockstar North the makers of Manhunt and GTA: Vice City (I don't know if they made the first GTA) is Edinburgh-based, Edinburgh being in Scotland.

Inval1d
07-29-2004, 06:42 PM
oh man i have Manhunt and everytime i play it i want to go slit the throat of every bastard that messed with me.

And after playing Pokemon i wanted to go capture animals and beat them with foriegn objects



;)

tyneside_lad
07-29-2004, 06:45 PM
Originally posted by Alien
That is mad! I can have an overdoes out side casualty and sue the makers of Pacman for giving me the urge to eat all those pills. I'm gonna be rich!

i was trying to make a point and that was the first game that popped into my head. Damn Nintendo for making me play that game! ;)

Mat
07-29-2004, 06:51 PM
Originally posted by Inval1d
And after playing Pokemon i wanted to go capture animals and beat them with foriegn objects

Heh... you too?

Small world...

Se7en the movie
07-29-2004, 09:09 PM
here's an idea for parents. If a game is 18s and your child is not 18 and you dont want him playing it, THEN DONT LET YOUR CHILD PLAY THEM! take responsibility for your kids.....

thebtskink
07-29-2004, 09:15 PM
I feel sorry for the killer... he bought that suck-ass game.

Tony Montana
07-29-2004, 09:17 PM
As already said, its an easy blame. Its always someone else like games, music, news etc, but its NEVER the person (child) itself!

thebtskink
07-29-2004, 09:24 PM
I completely agree.

But I think we can take it a step further and even blame the parents. Over the last twenty years of so, there has been an epidemic, at least in the US, of absolutely no discipline. Gotta set some rules, no matter how harsh they may seem--- they'll help the kid in the long run.

equipe
07-29-2004, 09:26 PM
As Chris Rock says: "what happened to just plain crazy?"

Parents just don't want to admit that maybe their kid and their parenting skills were defective. Its false logic to say that violent video games cause violent behavior. Its the childs reasoning about right and wrong that is the problem, and the responsibility of instilling that in a child lays soley on the parents.

Tony Montana
07-29-2004, 09:31 PM
"What, you cant be crazy no more??!!" Chris Rock said it right...

equipe
07-29-2004, 09:52 PM
I just randomly saw this quote:

Computer games don't affect kids; I mean, if Pac-Man affected us as kids, we'd all be running around in darkened rooms, munching magic pills and listening to repetitive electronic music.

Kristian Wilson, Nintendo Inc, 1989

Inval1d
07-29-2004, 10:17 PM
my views on violence in games?



**** the parents and the goverment trying to ban them

can't they go back to protesting slap braclets?

Alien
07-30-2004, 01:21 PM
I grew up watching all the violent movies I heard about and playing a fair amount of violent games. I even had a spell of liking Eminem, ok it was only 2 of his songs (Stand & The Way I Am) but there is violence in them, and I've turned out a saint. I wouldn't hurt a fly, ok so one of my bosses gets me really close to hurting him but I won't (hopefully).

I’d say I’m proof that none of this stuff affects you.

sphericthor
08-01-2004, 07:07 AM
The fact that they blame video games for violence is just plain stupid, hell I don't go around stealing cars, run over people and become a drug baron because I play GTA a lot....... games and movies have ratings for a good reason.

The guy that committed the murder was a drug addict but I don't see anyone blaming the drugs for it, the simple fact is that stores should have tighter regulations in place and the parents should take responsibility for what their kids are doing.

Banning a videogame isn't gonna stop crimes like that happening, it just means people will want to own it because it's banned. Specialist stores still stock it because like the rest of us they don't blame the games for what happened, it's easier for the parents to blame the video game than to admit the crime was drug related because of the ages of both killer and victim.

People can think what they want but sometimes blame is plaed on the wrong thing