Barry Bonds

[Stowe22]

Im not much of a Baseball fan but i think Barry Bonds is in the Top 3 players of all time. I really think Barry is the best player of my time. I am still young. So i havent seen all the old greats. So yesterday Barry Bonds hits #661, man thats alot of homeruns. I really think there is alot of people out there who do not like Bonds. I think he is the best hitter in the game. 6 Time MVP...hes has a nice career going for him....so please discuss what you all think of Barry Bonds.

[poeman]

i hate bonds, he used steroids to jack up. Babe Ruth is the greatest of all time. The sultan of swat, The big bambino, The King :p

[Stowe22]

We will never really know if Bonds used roids...i mean hes still taking the balls deep. I think bonds will catch up to the Big Bambino but thats just my opinion. Bonds is awesome hands down....

[thebtskink]

Sure we'll know, the way this BALCO scandal is breaking.

You don't suddenly bulk up that late in your career. It's unnatural. He's on steroids.

[Switzer]

I know that Barry is one of the best players in baseball all-time but I'm certainly not a big fan of him...its not becuz he might be on 'roids but mainly becuz when the pitcher has enough balls to pitch to him and the ball doesn't go where he wants it, his face goes all sour and has a fit

[Stowe22]

I really havent seen alot of "fits" he might be dissapointed but i really havent seen him throw fits like some of the other players in baseball.

[Switzer]

Well not really having a "fit" but you could see the expression on his face that he's mad or disappointed.

[poeman]

hes a one dimensional player, he is no team player. The yankees frown on that. Work like a team, and win like a team

[Switzer]

No, hes probably one of the best team players there is.He got the NL MVP for a reason last season.He had like 40 homers and 88 RBIs but he was the heart of the team.Other than Bonds,San Fran had a pretty crappy team with guys like Snow,Cruz Jr,grissom,bonds was the main big bat in the lineup when Jeff Kent left.Hes still a pretty good player with good speed(even though hes 30 something) good defence and such

[poeman]

everybody on his team hates him. hes a cancer in the locker room

[Stowe22]

There was problems with Bonds when Kent was around. I havent heard of any problems with Bonds since than. Yeah you dont get MVP for no reason.

[zamphir66]

there are frozen urine samples at a lab from lots of big leaguers, including Bonds. It will only be a matter of time before they are released for testing and the truth comes out. Whoever turns out to be doping should be kicked out of baseball permanently and have all of their records taken away.

[Stowe22]

wow thats powerfull.

[Switzer]

Originally posted by zamphir66
there are frozen urine samples at a lab from lots of big leaguers, including Bonds. It will only be a matter of time before they are released for testing and the truth comes out. Whoever turns out to be doping should be kicked out of baseball permanently and have all of their records taken away.
That blows!I know they should get some kind of punishment for doping but thats too harsh for taking 'roids.Bonds is about 2 years i guess from beating hank aaron's homerun record and I think he can do it if he stays healthy and continues to be consistant.

[Stowe22]

Yeah, i think he can do it as well.

[Brock Landers]

Originally posted by thebtskink
Sure we'll know, the way this BALCO scandal is breaking.

You don't suddenly bulk up that late in your career. It's unnatural. He's on steroids.

Aren't they thinking of taking 200 home runs off his Record because of it(if they catch him)?

[Stowe22]

That would be so stupid...

[Stowe22]

If they did that too bonds they better do it too Mcguire too(I dont know how to spell his name) but he bulked up towards the end of his career.

[Brock Landers]

Originally posted by Stowe22
If they did that too bonds they better do it too Mcguire too(I dont know how to spell his name) but he bulked up towards the end of his career.

McGwire took creatine(or however you spell it), which is a legal supplement. And McGwire admitted to it. Bonds...has not.

[Stowe22]

But really have they tested him at all, or did they trust Mcgwires word. Words only go so far....

[Brock Landers]

Originally posted by Stowe22
But really have they tested him at all, or did they trust Mcgwires word. Words only go so far....

And yet it is better than Bonds, McGwire actually came forward about it, which is more than you can say about Barry.....

[youthinasia]

I don't know if McGwire was actually ever tested. I can't believe baseball won't institute a true drug testing policy. It's truley pathetic...(that's for another thread, though).

As for Bonds, he's damn good, but if he did steroids and its proven, everything he's done should not be taken into consideration for anything. In my opinion, it's much worse than what Rose did.

[Stowe22]

Its gonna be wild..whatever happens to Bonds...I hope he comes out on top of things.

[Switzer]

Originally posted by youthinasia


In my opinion, it's much worse than what Rose did.
I don't get why people are so fumed over what Rose did.All he did was gamble on basball games.WOW.I bet lots of coached do that

[Wildcat7]

I agree people gamble all the time and it happened that rose got caught. As for bonds, I believe there is a chance he could taken roids. But sometimes you got to look past that and see what the man has done. Sure he hit 70 homeruns in one season. But look at sosa and mcquire when they broke maris record. They never hit near the same amount of homeruns.

[morpheus1987]

So what if Bonds used steroids. People take viagra and thats a performance enhancer. Why not just make steroids legal?

[Stowe22]

??? i dont know what to say to that...thats really deep.

[Switzer]

Originally posted by morpheus1987
So what if Bonds used steroids. People take viagra and thats a performance enhancer. Why not just make steroids legal?
Steroids is a drug that has a lot of side affects like loss of brain cells and testicle shrinking.Yes it does inhance performance to players but its cheating if you hit 70 homers with them while you only hit like 30 if your not on it.

[Stowe22]

With Viagra you cant hit home runs with your unit ok...

[Switzer]

Viagra is for pussy boys that can't get things poking

[Stowe22]

Bonds is the man he is sluggin them as of late.

[Stowe22]

Man its to easy for Barry right now. 7 games in a row with a homerun. hes is the best hitter in the game right now by far.

[Diablo]

i think he has 666 now :eek:

*not a baseball fan*

[Stowe22]

No, he just hit 667. It was funny a guy dove over the railing and landed in the water. Just to get the ball. funny stuff.

[Brock Landers]

Originally posted by Stowe22
With Viagra you cant hit home runs with your unit ok...

I could. My unit has been known to break brick walls.

[Stowe22]

hahaha

[DavidGale]

Maguire took steriods and he admitted that to sports Illustrated But it seemed like it stayed under the radar and didn't get enough coverage. Bonds takes steriods because he never hit that many home runs before his streak of the last 3 years. Before that the most he hit was +40 homers and all of a sudden he's like 37 and he's hitting so many HR's it just doesn't make any sense.

[ip_guru]

Bonds is a steroid pumping cheater. Period.

Is he a great hitter, no doubt. Steroids can't turn you from a bad hitter to a great hitter.

They cannot take away his records, even when they prove he was cheating. A HR is a HR. However, most people will have a big asterisk next to his records.

[Stowe22]

I dont care what anyone says. Hes great. On espn the commentators were saying they think he has just been doing legal steroids if you wanna call them that. Hes the man.

[Rob in Phoenix]

I agree with Stowe22. Bonds and Jose Canseco are the two greatest power hitters of the last 20 years. Guys like Hank Aaron and Babe Ruth had their day but its time for a new generation of power hitter. If you stood Bonds or Canseco up against Aaron or Ruth it would be NO comparison. Aaron was not that RIPPED like Canseco and Ruth had those little spindly legs and a fat stomach. Records are made to be broken, fellas.

[Stowe22]

Yes, for once your making sense. Bonds is great...i bet if he was on your favorite team as he is on mine. You would like him too.

[Rob in Phoenix]

Good to see someone who KNOWS baseball.

[Skinny]

Originally posted by Rob in Phoenix
I agree with Stowe22. Bonds and Jose Canseco are the two greatest power hitters of the last 20 years. Guys like Hank Aaron and Babe Ruth had their day but its time for a new generation of power hitter. If you stood Bonds or Canseco up against Aaron or Ruth it would be NO comparison. Aaron was not that RIPPED like Canseco and Ruth had those little spindly legs and a fat stomach. Records are made to be broken, fellas.

I think Aaron and Ruth can match up to Bonds... remember... Aaron only used his WRISTS when he hit homeruns and Ruth used a MUCH heavier bat... if they used the batting system, techniques, game changes, etc. that are in place today... geez... Bonds would only at the most be on the same level with these guys...

In my opinion, Bonds is one of the power hitters in Baseball history... the only reason i despise him (in the regular season) is because he has more RBI's and HR's against my team (the Padres) in his career, heaven forbid... heh heh, as a SD fan, you gotta kinda dislike him... heh heh... but as an overall baseball fan, he's one of the greatest and MAYBE, again in my opinion, be THE GREATEST... but then again, it was that whole roids thing that changed his status... but it seemed to have died down a bit...

[HSJerry]

Originally posted by Skinny
I think Aaron and Ruth can match up to Bonds... remember... Aaron only used his WRISTS when he hit homeruns and Ruth used a MUCH heavier bat... if they used the batting system, techniques, game changes, etc. that are in place today... geez... Bonds would only at the most be on the same level with these guys...

In my opinion, Bonds is one of the power hitters in Baseball history... the only reason i despise him (in the regular season) is because he has more RBI's and HR's against my team (the Padres) in his career, heaven forbid... heh heh, as a SD fan, you gotta kinda dislike him... heh heh... but as an overall baseball fan, he's one of the greatest and MAYBE, again in my opinion, be THE GREATEST... but then again, it was that whole roids thing that changed his status... but it seemed to have died down a bit...

Wow!! I've got to watch some old baseball games, I can't imagine how someone would grip a bat using only their wrists! That must have been amazing to see!!

I think that Bonds uses steroids and should be kicked out of baseball!! Who's with me?

[Code Red]

Originally posted by HSJerry
Wow!! I've got to watch some old baseball games, I can't imagine how someone would grip a bat using only their wrists! That must have been amazing to see!!

I think that Bonds uses steroids and should be kicked out of baseball!! Who's with me?

I think more people should use steroids. More muscular guys and less fat ones, makes the world much better.

[Switzer]

Originally posted by Code Red
I think more people should use steroids. More muscular guys and less fat ones, makes the world much better.
Steroids make your testicles smaller and make you slow in teh head.So less fat guys and more sperm-lacking clods? :(

[Switzer]

Originally posted by HSJerry
Wow!! I've got to watch some old baseball games, I can't imagine how someone would grip a bat using only their wrists! That must have been amazing to see!!


That sounds very unbelievable...yeah, you can grip the bat with your wrists (even I can) but not swing and hit a homerun with it.

[Rob in Phoenix]

Originally posted by Skinny
I think Aaron and Ruth can match up to Bonds... remember... Aaron only used his WRISTS when he hit homeruns and Ruth used a MUCH heavier bat... if they used the batting system, techniques, game changes, etc. that are in place today... geez... Bonds would only at the most be on the same level with these guys...

In my opinion, Bonds is one of the power hitters in Baseball history... the only reason i despise him (in the regular season) is because he has more RBI's and HR's against my team (the Padres) in his career, heaven forbid... heh heh, as a SD fan, you gotta kinda dislike him... heh heh... but as an overall baseball fan, he's one of the greatest and MAYBE, again in my opinion, be THE GREATEST... but then again, it was that whole roids thing that changed his status... but it seemed to have died down a bit...

You are crazy if you think Aaron and Ruth were as tough as Canseco and Bonds. The reason why Bonds and Canseco will be in the hall of fame is there unmatched ability to MASH home runs which is a product of their upper body strength. Look at Aaron's arms - they are like toothpicks compared to Canseco and Bonds. Look at his neck, nothing like the muscular and defined neck of today's top sluggers. If Canseco played in the time of Ruth, he would have hit 1000 home runs off those noodle-armed pitchers.

Take it from me, I KNOW. If you saw my physique, you'd understand true power. I just finished my afternoon workout. I was doing SQUATS that would RIP a lesser man to shreds.

[Brock Landers]

Originally posted by Rob in Phoenix
You are crazy if you think Aaron and Ruth were as tough as Canseco and Bonds. The reason why Bonds and Canseco will be in the hall of fame is there unmatched ability to MASH home runs which is a product of their upper body strength. Look at Aaron's arms - they are like toothpicks compared to Canseco and Bonds. Look at his neck, nothing like the muscular and defined neck of today's top sluggers. If Canseco played in the time of Ruth, he would have hit 1000 home runs off those noodle-armed pitchers.

Take it from me, I KNOW. If you saw my physique, you'd understand true power. I just finished my afternoon workout. I was doing SQUATS that would RIP a lesser man to shreds.

My god, do you even read what you write? You come off as Pompous, arrogant, and retarded to boot. What Major League team do you play for? And how do you "KNOW"? Aaron and Ruth had something called personality and I don't know, this mystique about them. Bonds is a dick.

And Canseco...he's cool.

[Rob in Phoenix]

Originally posted by Brock Landers
My god, do you even read what you write? You come off as Pompous, arrogant, and retarded to boot. What Major League team do you play for? And how do you "KNOW"? Aaron and Ruth had something called personality and I don't know, this mystique about them. Bonds is a dick.

And Canseco...he's cool.
"Personality" doesn't help you hit home runs. It does not help you win baseball games either. and what is "mystique" and how does that help you MASH the ball? I am trying to stick to the topic so please do not denigrate this into name calling or personal bashing.

[Brock Landers]

Originally posted by Rob in Phoenix
"Personality" doesn't help you hit home runs. It does not help you win baseball games either. and what is "mystique" and how does that help you MASH the ball? I am trying to stick to the topic so please do not denigrate this into name calling or personal bashing.

So you claiming you could rip a lesser man to shreds is on-topic?


Take it from me, I KNOW. If you saw my physique, you'd understand true power. I just finished my afternoon workout. I was doing SQUATS that would RIP a lesser man to shreds.


Now, it would have been on-topic if you ended it at "Take it from me, I KNOW." It would have been good, but then we went on this little tidbit about you just got done doing SQUATS....


P.S. Bonds should never be in the Hall of Fame simply for being a Steroid-pumping pussy cheater. And if he doesn't, neither should "Big Mac" McGwuire(sp?) or Canseco or anyone else for that matter. Ruth and Aaron are true classics of the game.

[Rob in Phoenix]

Bonds and Canseco will be in the Hall of Fame because of their accomplishments on the field. To my knowlegde, they have not been caught breaking any rules that would prohibit them from going into the Hall. I'm not arguing that Ruth and Aaron are not "classics of the game" but they are like comparing a Model T to a Dodge Viper, the greatest production car on the planet. The Model T is a "classic" but could never compete with the Viper.

[Brock Landers]

Originally posted by Rob in Phoenix
Bonds and Canseco will be in the Hall of Fame because of their accomplishments on the field. To my knowlegde, they have not been caught breaking any rules that would prohibit them from going into the Hall. I'm not arguing that Ruth and Aaron are not "classics of the game" but they are like comparing a Model T to a Dodge Viper, the greatest production car on the planet. The Model T is a "classic" but could never compete with the Viper.

Now, I would AGREE with you. I'm an A's fan from the early 90's, when it was the "Bash Brothers" of Big Mac and Canseco. But the minute someone mentions Bonds, my blood boils. Get what I mean? In my opinion you can never compare Bonds and Canseco to Ruth and Mantle and Aaron?

Shall we leave it at that? Difference of opinions really.

[Stowe22]

Either way Bonds is one of the best to play the game.

[Brock Landers]

Originally posted by Stowe22
Either way Bonds is one of the best to play the game.

And I seriously disagree with you, either way. Isn't this fun?

[Stowe22]

Oh tons of fun...

[Skinny]

Originally posted by Rob in Phoenix
You are crazy if you think Aaron and Ruth were as tough as Canseco and Bonds. The reason why Bonds and Canseco will be in the hall of fame is there unmatched ability to MASH home runs which is a product of their upper body strength. Look at Aaron's arms - they are like toothpicks compared to Canseco and Bonds. Look at his neck, nothing like the muscular and defined neck of today's top sluggers. If Canseco played in the time of Ruth, he would have hit 1000 home runs off those noodle-armed pitchers.

Take it from me, I KNOW. If you saw my physique, you'd understand true power. I just finished my afternoon workout. I was doing SQUATS that would RIP a lesser man to shreds.

True, but bro (i dunno if you'll be able to read this because you're banned)... Aaron didn't have to have a good physique to hit homeruns! He didn't have to have bulked up arms... His Wrists, (again... WRISTS) were good enough to get then over the fence!!! And get this, Aaron used to bat crosshandedly, yea Bonds, try doing that... And Ruth used a what... 42 oz (again, 42 ounces) bat ,and thus, he broke the Dead Ball Era wide open!!! Yea, have Bonds try that bat on for size... Im just saying, if these two legends (and i stress legends) utilized ways to obtain more batting power, THEY WOULD BE ON A WAAAAAAY DIFFERFENT LEAGUE then Bonds... and remember that times were different, many aspects of the game were different... Imagine if they had the diet, weight lifting systems that MLB players have today... sorry bro... Bonds just doesn't fall in their category in my opinion.

Oh and Canseco would not have hit 1000 HR in Ruth's time! It would have been harder! The mound was much higher than it was and they had huge ass ballparks with pitchers scuffing the balls with who knows what... hit 1000, yea right... and he is NOT a Hall of Famer, at least for a while... Drug charges, Steroids, not hitting 500 HR... yea... you get my drift

[pimpmastersteve]

canseco=no hall of fame

Bonds= hall of fame. Arguably one of the top ten players ever but he is tainted 4 life cuz someone is always gonna bring up steroids.

[Stowe22]

Very true, its all on opinion. He will be known as one of the greats but people will always try to bring up the roids. o well.

[pimpmastersteve]

WoW this thread died.

[Stowe22]

umm......yeah

[DavidGale]

Yeah I guess will never find out if bonds takes steriods, Because of the player union in baseball that won't allow it. I hope Congress or other types of government try to do something or pass a law to allow testing for steriods or other drugs that help athletes get unfair advantages. He has a fit a lot of times while at the plate I just can't understand that the guy makes millions of dollars and is so famous.

Bonds should just be a man and take a drug test maybe others will follow and do the same.

[pimpmastersteve]

Does anyone find it funny that just a couple days ago Bonds, Giambi, and Sosa all had back problems and theyre the ones who are most suspected for using steroids?

[Stowe22]

hahah yeah it was pretty funny.

[DavidGale]

Giambi and Bonds hit so many homeruns. I just don't get it Sosa has good stretches during the season but struggles more than both of them with being consistent. It's just like Jeremy Burnitz who in the start of the season didn't have that many home-runs and now has a-lot just like The Marlins Mike Lowell, and Sosa was slow in the beginning of the season as well like he usually is. I think out of all three of those guys Sosa's would be willing to take a drug test but they need to tell him to do or something. Because I truly think Sosa's worked out and built those Muscles as he's got older and has a lot of power and doesn't need steriods to hit home-runs.

[Jspitalieri]

Barroid Bonds?? Biggest jerk in Baseball ever. Congratulations. Booo!!

[TxFilmMkr]

Here's the deal: Did Bonds take steroids? Probably so. Did that alone make him a great HR hitter? Not entirely.

I could start the juice tomorrow and grow like the Hulk but it's not going to make me have the kind of contact that Barry has. The guy has a talent for hitting the ball where it needs to be hit in order for it to either find the outfield grass or the cheap seats. That takes talent and strength. The strength you can get from roids or hard work. The talent only comes from hard work and practice.

I'm a die hard Bonds hater. However, I've got to give him credit for seeing the ball and being able to put the barrel of the bat on it. If he's found to have been juicing though, it's the same fate that Pete Rose suffered IMHO.

Don't even get me started on Sosa. What a clown who doesn't deserve to be mentioned in this year's All Star voting, let alone be second among OFs.

[Stowe22]

Yeah Sosa is a joke...... I guarentee we will never find out if Bonds took roids.....unless he admits it. But he wont...

[pimpmastersteve]

Y would anyone wanna admit they were on steroids?

[Stowe22]

Thats what i am trying to point out. We will never know