The first officially announced game for Nintendo's new console is... [Archive]

Inval1d

09-03-2003, 04:37 PM

Half Life 2 is coming to PS2.

IGN says...

Half-Life 2 On PS2
It's coming, or at least that's what they said...

September 02, 2003 - During ECTS last week, Valve's director of marketing Doug Lombardi confirmed that Half-Life 2 would be making its way to the PlayStation 2 sometime in the future.
The game, which is one of the most anticipated in recent memory, sets to raise the bar once again by implementing an accurate real-world physics system, and equally impressive AI. And then there's always the graphics…

The second we hear more, you'll be the first to know.

spiderman_2k

09-03-2003, 04:45 PM

Originally posted by jpdill
are you on something?

you're the only PS2 person i know (well - have spoken to) who says that.

All my mates think it's a gay name, and over used.

Well, you being the biggest Ninty fanboy i have spoken too, its hard to take anything u (or ur mates) say about the PS2 seriously.
Playstation consoles continue to be called Playstations because that is exactly what they are, They are recognised as the "Playstation"...Nintendo.."Nes" to "Snes" not much of a difference...It is'nt whats in the name but in the machine.
Simple as that.

Hitman

09-03-2003, 08:02 PM

Originally posted by jpdill
What happened in 2001?

I wasn't a big fan of Nintendo anymore. Playstation 2 killed all that.

jpdill

09-04-2003, 07:03 AM

Originally posted by spiderman_2k
Well, you being the biggest Ninty fanboy i have spoken too, its hard to take anything u (or ur mates) say about the PS2 seriously.
Playstation consoles continue to be called Playstations because that is exactly what they are, They are recognised as the "Playstation"...Nintendo.."Nes" to "Snes" not much of a difference...It is'nt whats in the name but in the machine.
Simple as that.

You'll find that X-box2 is Xavion (or summin like that), so they;ve changed it.

Any how, it's harder now for gaming companies - they have to focus on gaming now, rather than specs, as 128 is the highest you can go.

You'll get new chips and stuff, but not a higher bit. So i think that's why Nintendo and X-box are happy right now. They know they'll win. And even though you say Nintendo are losing money, they're not at all.

Nintendo's the only company making profit from it's products, unlike PS2 which loses money as it's got so much, and is selling £30 under it's cost.

jpdill

09-04-2003, 07:04 AM

Also, after Snes though, it was Virtual Boy, so they didn't continue with Nintendo Entertainment Systems.

Fanible

09-04-2003, 07:07 AM

I guess for people extremely loyal to Nintendo who don't buy PC's or an Xbox I guess, lol.

spiderman_2k

09-04-2003, 10:31 AM

Originally posted by jpdill
Also, after Snes though, it was Virtual Boy, so they didn't continue with Nintendo Entertainment Systems.

Yes but for a second console the same general name was used..Sony are just taking it further...why is this such a problem to u..

jediknight

09-04-2003, 10:53 AM

JP, they keep calling it that because it is the next "installment" or "sequel" of the same machine. Just as the PS2, the PS3 will be backwards compatable with all past playstation games. Sony's president says that each new incarnation of a Sony console will be backwards compatable with all past sony consoles via emulation. Nintendo's consoles have never been backwards compatable (except gameboy) so thats probally why they don't number them. The gamecube isn't the 4th sequel to the NES, it is a completly new machine(I'm not saying that PS2 isn't completly different from the ps1 guys). Nintendo must like to start anew (by name) every five years and Sony likes to build upon their poplular name (a sound business choice IMO)

adt100

09-04-2003, 12:14 PM

I always thought the name 'Play-station; was incredibly lame when I first heard it. It really made me think of something you'd get 5-year olds playing with at playschool.

As for the very unoriginal PS, PS2, PS3, it's clear the plain reason is simply marketting. Playstation is a huge regonised brand these days, and despite the PS2 being a pretty average piece of h/w compared to the competition, it remains being the foremost name the general public these days associate with a 'games console'.

sphericthor

09-05-2003, 05:05 AM

Ok I have a question for all those who disagree with the name "Playstation 3".

What would you call it?

sphericthor

09-05-2003, 05:07 AM

A question for jdpill here, where did you get the information from regarding the first official release?

Grindie

09-05-2003, 08:31 AM

What in utter Jesus is this? You people are arguing over the name of the Playstation!!! Sony are obviously keeping the Playstation name because people recognise it! It's an established brand name that other companies would kill for!

And as for this Half Life 2 officially announced for the next Ninty console... Where did you get your info?

adt100

09-05-2003, 09:16 AM

Originally posted by sphericthor
Ok I have a question for all those who disagree with the name "Playstation 3".

What would you call it?

Oh, I don't know, maybe ... The Poopa Scoopa 3000!

They could get some great advertisements for that, I can see it now. :D

sphericthor

09-05-2003, 09:22 AM

It isn't easy to think of a catchy name for a console is it?

spiderman_2k

09-05-2003, 10:15 AM

well when u have one as recognised and as simple as the "playstation" why change it??

sphericthor

09-05-2003, 10:25 AM

Give them time spiderman_2k, I want to see what other titles they can come up with.

For all those who didn't bother reading the first page;

Ok I have a question for all those who disagree with the name "Playstation 3".

What would you call it?

jpdill

09-05-2003, 03:06 PM

Originally posted by sphericthor
A question for jdpill here, where did you get the information from regarding the first official release?

At the Half-Life 2 press release, they said that they're going to release HL2 for the X-box this September.

But the game is an X-box Live game (costs £8 a month) and they plan to do the same again on the better graphiced PS3 and N5 console.

The thing with X-box is that it's like the highest you can get in gaming on the market. PS3 and N5 will only be slightly better looking, as you can't really get higher than 128-bits. They'll focus on gaming more now.

Well the game is an update of the X-box version. The N5 version will be out first, followed by the PS3.

When i say update it;ll be all 3 versions of the X-box game:

The X-box version will be in 3 different games:

The Single Player This is the game version that'll be only 1 player
Multiplayer This is the game but only in multi-player form and Live
The Collectors Edition This both of the above with extra stuff.

The N5 version will be the CE version (out next year on X-box)

As for PS3, i'd call in the Sony Demon or summin like that. But it's not going to happen now, and if PS3 fails, they'll get rid of the Playstation name

It looks like N5 will be the first console release, and hopefully have some really great games on day one - it should launch with the Namco-Zelda game (that would be amazing).

spiderman_2k

09-05-2003, 03:36 PM

Demon is a terrible name IMO....
I think the N5 has a higher chance of failure than the PS2....the whole backwards compatibility thing will be the thing that pushes it above the N5 IMO.

jediknight

09-05-2003, 04:10 PM

Nintendo should recognize what Sonys done and make their next console backwards compatable. However, I don't think that Nintendo will make the same mistakes twice, only time will tell....2005 is gonna be a great year. New consoles and the concluding prequel to Star Wars, who could ask for more? :)

Skinny

09-05-2003, 04:52 PM

sounds good

jpdill

09-05-2003, 05:18 PM

Originally posted by spiderman_2k
Demon is a terrible name IMO....
I think the N5 has a higher chance of failure than the PS2....the whole backwards compatibility thing will be the thing that pushes it above the N5 IMO.

Even tohugh it sounds odd, Nintendo has ALWAYS known GameCube will not sell mega-amounts. They've known it won't be ever as big as anything else.

So they startedwork on this console before the release of GameCube. They know what they're doing.

The new one should be backwards compatible with GameBoy games and the new GB console, which will be Disk-but-laminated-and-coated, so it can use the same thing as a memeory card.

Also, what's the point in releasing 3 different version of HL2? Why not just the CE version (£50 one)?

Fanible

09-05-2003, 05:22 PM

Besides the fact that PSP probably won't make much a dent in Nintendo's handheld world, it still shows that Nintendo hasn't learned from their mistakes at all. Because their practicly ignoring Sony's attempt at a handheld, confident they won't make a dent in their market. They did the same thing when they dropped Sony's console offer, and then Sony came out with their own Playstation. The result was an enormous loss in sales and units.

I dunno what Nintendo is thinking, but it's not wise. They wanto be different, which is their answer for everything that they do. They simply say they don't want to follow the trend, and have their own thing goin on. The result is just stupid. The fact that the heads still make big pay checks leave them trying for nothing, and it seems that Nintendo, unless it starts moving it's name elsewhere, is simply going to die out eventually.

It's final test will be what the results are with Sony's PSP, it's price, and what Nintendo has behind N5. They're planning on not making the 3rd party mistakes of the Gamecube. The company has a very large trend of making mistakes.

spiderman_2k

09-05-2003, 05:33 PM

Originally posted by jpdill
Even tohugh it sounds odd, Nintendo has ALWAYS known GameCube will not sell mega-amounts. They've known it won't be ever as big as anything else.

So they startedwork on this console before the release of GameCube. They know what they're doing.

The new one should be backwards compatible with GameBoy games and the new GB console, which will be Disk-but-laminated-and-coated, so it can use the same thing as a memeory card.

Sounds to me like they werent prepared at all for PS2 and X-Box and just slung out a console to keep alive....

jpdill

09-05-2003, 05:45 PM

They were and NGC is really a filler, as has been said many times.

But Sony will really need to push on gameplay now, and that's how it may not be so sucessful.

Also, Ninty has a year head start... Seems like it'll win over alot in that year, especially with realistic Zelda and other stuff.

jpdill

09-05-2003, 05:49 PM

Originally posted by Fanible
Besides the fact that PSP probably won't make much a dent in Nintendo's handheld world, it still shows that Nintendo hasn't learned from their mistakes at all. Because their practicly ignoring Sony's attempt at a handheld, confident they won't make a dent in their market. They did the same thing when they dropped Sony's console offer, and then Sony came out with their own Playstation. The result was an enormous loss in sales and units.

I dunno what Nintendo is thinking, but it's not wise. They wanto be different, which is their answer for everything that they do. They simply say they don't want to follow the trend, and have their own thing goin on. The result is just stupid. The fact that the heads still make big pay checks leave them trying for nothing, and it seems that Nintendo, unless it starts moving it's name elsewhere, is simply going to die out eventually.

It's final test will be what the results are with Sony's PSP, it's price, and what Nintendo has behind N5. They're planning on not making the 3rd party mistakes of the Gamecube. The company has a very large trend of making mistakes.

You also need to see that GBA is coming to an end. It's finishing its time as the new GameBoy, and with the new GB coming out next year, it's not going to be long-lasting.

Nintendo have also been working on a new handheld since 2001, so they're not going to be affected by PSP at all. With the new GB being able to have a hard-disk to download games onto, and also entering the mobile system world, Nintendo and Panasonic know what to do.

PSP will be their first and maybe last portable device. The only changes i want in the industry is Microsoft, who i really really really want to go into the mobile phones industry. Imagine an XP phone :applaud:

spiderman_2k

09-05-2003, 05:54 PM

Well if my gamecube hadnt broke and i still had it knowing it would be a "filler" i would be pretty pissed off..It is ****ty of Nintendo to do that. I personally dont care who wins the "console wars" as a casual gamer, because the fans of games win. But IMO i think Sony will do the best, the marketing for there systems and games are the best, and also its aimed at a much wider variety of people and consumers.

jpdill

09-05-2003, 05:55 PM

Also, PSP won't be cheap as it's also meant to be a mobile phone and video camera compatible (Nokia rip off)

spiderman_2k

09-05-2003, 05:57 PM

According to Eurpoes head of Sony PSP's prices will compete with the GBA....

spiderman_2k

09-05-2003, 05:58 PM

And i dont think it is a mobile phone.

jpdill

09-05-2003, 06:36 PM

It is - revealed at The Sony Show at ECTS. It's a mobile. They're also hiring for people.

Sony will lose SO much money from this - so much. Who would want to use a game-phone that'll be updated every month. That'd be annyoing - they release a new PSP ever month. So in a year you're outdated.

spiderman_2k

09-05-2003, 09:23 PM

Just because its a mobile device aswell...doesnt mean it will always be upgraded..The N-Gage wont be.
Also, i bet if it was Nintendo releasing a mobile phone handheld, u would be saying it was a great idea...:rolleyes:

spiderman_2k

09-05-2003, 09:31 PM

And anyway u are wrong
As Sony PSP handheld development kits start heading to software developers across the globe - SCE's head Ken Kutaragi has been revealing a few details that will certainly concern the likes of Nokia (with their N-Gage phone/handheld due out next month). Namely that the PSP will be able to support add-on peripherals that will add mobile phone and camera functionality - making for one absolute beast of an integrated device. Will there be anything the PSP can't do?

Kutaragi also told the International Weekly News that although the PSP will be on-show at next year's E3 in May - full software is unlikely to be shown until the Tokyo Games Show the following September.

More on the enthralling PSP as we get it.

It does'nt come with a phone and camera built in, but u can buy the add-ons to make it able to do that....

jpdill

09-05-2003, 10:11 PM

Originally posted by spiderman_2k
Just because its a mobile device aswell...doesnt mean it will always be upgraded..The N-Gage wont be.
Also, i bet if it was Nintendo releasing a mobile phone handheld, u would be saying it was a great idea...:rolleyes:

The things a phone though - maybe it's not then.

The cams a different device as i said.

Also, Nintendo do gaming, and yes, they are making the phone attachment thing - a panasonic phone-base is being used.

Um - it's not a wise movie, but i'm not bothered really, as they'll make tonnes of money and make more stuff for it. I won't be using any of the phone stuff anyway. But with the phone being part of the device, that's the problem.

Well we know what's going to be a mjor feature of the new gameboy, so i guess we'll have to wait a few more months. It'll probably still look laptop though, which is good.

Also, haven't you noticed all the consoles are being updated?

The new updated version of the PS2 came out last week, the GameCube is currently Version 1.6. PS2 is now 3.1, as it has the modem (old news) as well as the new DVD player (new news). X-box has had chip-updates.

The consoles are always being updated - the standard GBA was on 1.3, until they released SP.

It's the same with these new-conoles coming out in 2004/2005.

spiderman_2k

09-06-2003, 06:04 AM

So if Nintendo will make loads of money from the phone thing...why would Sony lose money on it?? Im sure people will trust Sony more when it comes to the phone and camera attachments as things like that have been some of Sonys major..things.
Also the consoles may be updated but gamers dont buy a new console every time its updated...

sphericthor

09-06-2003, 06:29 AM

The thing with X-box is that it's like the highest you can get in gaming on the market. PS3 and N5 will only be slightly better looking, as you can't really get higher than 128-bits. They'll focus on gaming more now.

You could've put this in your first post so we had an idea of where you got the info from

jpdill

09-06-2003, 08:45 AM

Originally posted by sphericthor
You could've put this in your first post so we had an idea of where you got the info from

What do you mean?

jpdill

09-06-2003, 08:47 AM

Originally posted by spiderman_2k
So if Nintendo will make loads of money from the phone thing...why would Sony lose money on it?? Im sure people will trust Sony more when it comes to the phone and camera attachments as things like that have been some of Sonys major..things.
Also the consoles may be updated but gamers dont buy a new console every time its updated...

Nintendo btw is the only console making profit on its hardware - Sony and Microsoft lose money all the time.

Sony will lose money as not many are going to use this PSP as a phone, and having the device AS a phone also will lose money.

sphericthor

09-06-2003, 08:49 AM

Sorry about that jpdill, I was talking about that entire post you put up when answering my question. Why didn't you just say that when you announced the first game in your first post?

spiderman_2k

09-06-2003, 08:51 AM

Originally posted by jpdill
Nintendo btw is the only console making profit on its hardware - Sony and Microsoft lose money all the time.

Sony will lose money as not many are going to use this PSP as a phone, and having the device AS a phone also will lose money.

But its not a phone..U have to buy the attachment to make it a phone…

jpdill

09-06-2003, 09:14 AM

Oh - like that GBA text message thing?

That'll cool then. But i'm not getting a PSP, still.

I lost my connection with PS2 (and PSX) when NGC and GBA came out - it occured to me that Sony are lazy arsed gits who don't make their own games.

So i got rid of my PSX and PS2 and then got me a NGC (already had the GBA). I'm a converted fan (lol)

I'm really bad with these forum things - i treat it like MSN messenger and post things seperatly.

Sorry for any confusion...

jpdill

09-06-2003, 09:24 AM

To me, Playstation may have more games, but basically 80% of them are ****.

With Microsoft, they're great games too, but some are really crap - the only ones on the X-box that are good, are Sega ones, and the ones with Microsoft influence.

With gamecube and GBA, some are crap, but alot more are better.

True, NGC isn't selling very well, and i know Nintendo know this. But as long as Nintendo stick with gaming as their number 1 priority, i'm fine with my failing 'Cube.

That's why i don't really mind if the next console isn't a DVD player. I want internet play, as i'm lucky enough to have BroadBand, so i'd like to play games such as Pokémon Online.

At the same time, i feel Nintendo has to tighten up. They should create more and more game-devolping teams. I'd prefer for Nintendo to be more first and second party orientated, than be like Playstation, and be all 3rd party.

I'd prefer to see more "Only for"s in the corner, than having ones saying nothing in the corner.

That's my kind of personailty - i want Nintendo to give it's gamers something that they haven't seen before. And i know Nintendo WILL do that.

For me, "In Nintendo, We Trust" is an honest statement. I'm not worried about Mario 128, as i know that if Nintendo have got so much security about it's game-play, it's going to be worth the wait.

Nintendo had said "F-zero GX/AX is the fastest thing you'll EVER see". They were telling the truth.

So if they say "PSP and N-Gage will not affect our future GameBoy in any way" as they've said in many interviews, i'm going to belive this.

jpdill

09-06-2003, 09:27 AM

For me, Playstation was decepting - they're making out that you can do SO much with the PSP, when you'll find out it's not that "Gay and Fancy Free".

Fanible

09-06-2003, 09:50 AM

Sheesh.... talk about being a Nintendo fanboy with an extreme passion. Guess there's gotta be some of you out there I suppose though.

Anyways, im assuming by PSX, you ment PS1, not the actual PSX.

spiderman_2k

09-06-2003, 11:30 AM

Thats the problem...hes too much of a fanboy, so trying to point out anything that Ninetndo fails at is a hard thing to do..IMO

Grindie

09-06-2003, 11:41 AM

Originally posted by jpdill
To me, Playstation may have more games, but basically 80% of them are ****.

With Microsoft, they're great games too, but some are really crap - the only ones on the X-box that are good, are Sega ones, and the ones with Microsoft influence.

With gamecube and GBA, some are crap, but alot more are better.

True, NGC isn't selling very well, and i know Nintendo know this. But as long as Nintendo stick with gaming as their number 1 priority, i'm fine with my failing 'Cube.

That's why i don't really mind if the next console isn't a DVD player. I want internet play, as i'm lucky enough to have BroadBand, so i'd like to play games such as Pokémon Online.

At the same time, i feel Nintendo has to tighten up. They should create more and more game-devolping teams. I'd prefer for Nintendo to be more first and second party orientated, than be like Playstation, and be all 3rd party.

I'd prefer to see more "Only for"s in the corner, than having ones saying nothing in the corner.

That's my kind of personailty - i want Nintendo to give it's gamers something that they haven't seen before. And i know Nintendo WILL do that.

For me, "In Nintendo, We Trust" is an honest statement. I'm not worried about Mario 128, as i know that if Nintendo have got so much security about it's game-play, it's going to be worth the wait.

Nintendo had said "F-zero GX/AX is the fastest thing you'll EVER see". They were telling the truth.

So if they say "PSP and N-Gage will not affect our future GameBoy in any way" as they've said in many interviews, i'm going to belive this.

You speak the truth, my brother! (before you start, no, he's not really my brother)

Dogbert0228

09-06-2003, 12:44 PM

What are the specs on the NGC2 and PS3? Are they going to be so good that there'll need to be an X2 right away, or will they only catch up to the XBOX and Microsoft can sit comfortably for a while?

Fanible

09-06-2003, 01:12 PM

Originally posted by spiderman_2k
Thats the problem...hes too much of a fanboy, so trying to point out anything that Ninetndo fails at is a hard thing to do..IMO

That's why I didn't. I started to, and then I was just like "screw it"... don't need to waste my time.

Fanible

09-06-2003, 01:13 PM

Originally posted by Dogbert0228
What are the specs on the NGC2 and PS3? Are they going to be so good that there'll need to be an X2 right away, or will they only catch up to the XBOX and Microsoft can sit comfortably for a while?

Of course they'll be better than the X-box, lol. That would be totally stupid if the the PS3 was even or only slightly better than the X-box. It's specs will vastly exceed any system we have right now, thus Microsoft is already planning on coming out with the XB2 the same year, if not shortly after the PS3. Nintendo hopes to come out with their system before PS3.

jpdill

09-06-2003, 04:01 PM

Here's the releases for the home consoles:

N5 - 2005 (Great - Indy 4, JP4, SW3 and N5)
PS3 - 2005/2006
Xenon - 2006

I was taking it over the top on purpose btw. All the consoles are great, i just prefer Nintendo's games and franchises.

GTA on X-box is gaming at its best. BUY IT if you have one!

Also, buy True Crimes/Simpsons Hit and Run, as we all REALLY like them, and we all REALLY want there to be more of them I'm afraid if Simpsons doesn't sell, there'd be NO MORE SIMPSONS!

jpdill

09-06-2003, 04:02 PM

Simpson games that is...

adt100

09-07-2003, 04:59 AM

Well, despite totally disagreeing with jpdill with his LOTR comments in the DVD forums, I completely agree with almost everything he's said in this thread.

We live in an age of style over substance, and Sony's marketting and brand awareness has been more responsible for the PS success than anything else. The h/w and s/w is certainly nothing special.

It really doesn't matter though, because when it comes to the bottom line, as jpdill said, Nintendo are still making comfortable profits. They are every bit as strong in this area as Sony's gaming division is.

jpdill

09-07-2003, 07:14 AM

Oh leh - me and LOTR is a love hate relationship

Somedays i love it, some days i hate it.

I read the books before the films came out, and i wanted t obe like the only person i knew who liked them. Then these movies made me feel like i weren't the only one who liked the books.

Every one knew who Legolas, Gimli and Aragorn were all of a sudden. It put me off the books, and it usually takes me a few days to get likeing the films.

I had to see TTT 2 times MORE to actually like it. I wanted to hate it, and sometimes do. But somedays i think it was brilliant.

I'm a Star Wars fan-boy, i know it, and you know it. I'm not angry at LOTR for taking fans away. Cos' i know that those "converted-fans" are going to "come-back" during 2005.

And i'll finally be able to go back to it just being me in my family who likes LOTR.