Halloween Franchise Falling?

[Janey]

I mean the first 6, had horrible (except 1 and 2) box office grosses like the 5th, only got $11mil, but the 7th (H20), jumped and earned $55mil, then Ressurrection earned $30mil (is that good) and there's gonna be a 9th, i'm not sure what to think, why did it suddenly go up?

[spiderman_2k]

Jamie Lee Curtis....

[Tenafly Viper]

Originally posted by spiderman_2k
Jamie Lee Curtis.... Exactly

[sunflower03]

i think that is successful for a horror film. i think it would have made more if they hadn't released it in the summer. they should have released it at halloween or the begining of the year, instead of up against all the big summer blockbuster movies. if they make a ninth i hope they use it to connect the two storylines.

[sphericthor]

I wish they used their original decision to release a Halloween movie on October 31st every year but with a new and original storyline

[Doofy Gilmore]

Not sure if I'm entirely correct or not, but I recall parts 4&5 getting limited releases or going DTV.

[spiderman_2k]

I dont think 4 had that treatment...It was "The return" of one of the greatest horror creations....Im guessing it had a pretty major release but maybe bombed...Thus 5 didnt get such a major release....

[Seraph333]

I don't think i liked any of them, there all pretty stupid. Horror movies sre getting dumb now because they always have to make a sequel that sucks.

[spiderman_2k]

Well the original was'nt a sequel...so it wasnt stupid or dumb...

[Mat]

I think the whole franchise sucks because you don't make a series of movies about a mass murderer who can't be killed. You make one movie and you leave it alone. John Carpenter was a smart man by not getting involved in any of the rest.

[spiderman_2k]

Then surley the whole franchise does'nt suck...Just the ones after 2???

[sunflower03]

they tried that new storyline idea with halloween 3, and most people hated it. even if the movie was called something else and didn't have the title of halloween 3, i still think that would be one of the most crappiest horror films ever.

[spiderman_2k]

Yep, season of the witch blew major chunks..IMO

[Inval1d]

Then there was Resurrection. . .

Kool-Aid Man does not approve of this. . . :(

[gmk0taku]

Halloween 4 was number one at the box office for the first two weeks of it's release, and Halloween 5 did the same if I remember correctly (not too sure about 5).

No Halloween film has ever been DTV. They've all gotten theatrical releases.

[Doofy Gilmore]

Originally posted by Mat
I think the whole franchise sucks because you don't make a series of movies about a mass murderer who can't be killed. You make one movie and you leave it alone.


Unbelievable. How can they make one film about a serial killer who can't be killed if he can't be killed? Lets say if someone wasted him in the first film, he can't be killed so if they were to say he's dead, the audience would be like huh?

[Space_Jockey79]

Well, I guess what I can say is that I liked the first 2. "Season of the Witch" I was like, what is this I am watching, is this still "Halloween"? Maybe the sequels would have done a lot better if they would have been released in Halloween, maybe not, who knows. They would have fit the mood, just like Christmas movies are released during the Christmas seasons. I believe Jamie Lee Curtis wanted to stay away from making any more "Halloweens", that's why she faked her death and you don't see her until "H20", and then on "Resurrection" she gets killed right at the begining. It's like maybe she said "I had enough of these dumb sequels, just kill me already Michael, I am done".

This kind of reminds me how Ripley killed herself in "Alien 3" because Sigourney Weaver didn't want to get involved in "Alien VS Predator" or any more "Alien" sequels that would have taken the franchise down. The thing is that there is a story left to be told in the "Alien" franchise, and I believe that there is nothing left to be said for "Halloween". "Alien Resurrection" brings a door of opportunity in future sequels to come now that Ripley is half theirs.

And then on "Halloween: Resurrection" we see Mike handing over his knife after killing Jamie's character off to a mental case. Mike is done himself too. I think if they keep making more sequels after "Resurrection" that it would no longer be about Mike or Jamie's character or anything the original stood for. "Resurrection" marked the last period on the on-going sentense, which is funny because what is there to resurrect after Jamie's character is killed and Michael hands over the knife to the mental crazed person. It was a neat idea though, how they turned the whole house thing into a prank and all the killings were actually true. To me the series is over, what ever happens next is.... well, I don't have to say it.

The problem with horror movies these days is that they are made for the MTV generation. They are scare to put some smarts into them because teenagers won't get the movie. I think teenagers are a good portion of the movie market. "The Ring" was a great movie. I am looking forward to seeing "The Eye" when it goes on DVD or VHS, and independent film that because it wasn't released by the big guys many people didn't get to see it.

Horror movies need to go back to psychological fear, and step out of the blood gore and how many times or ways you can chop someone's head off.

Look at what's happening to Exorcist: The Begining"
"Exorcist: The Beginning: After talk the other week they were unhappy with it, its now been mentioned by The New York Post that Morgan Creek Productions has in fact fired Director Paul Schrader from the 'Exorcist' prequel after "giving them footage without any of the bloody violence the backers had wanted" was cited as reason for the dismissal. This is an unusual move as the $40-50 million budget film has already completed photography and as Schrader had made clear in an on-set interview me and nearly a dozen other journalists did with him in February, he was making more of a psychological drama than an all-out gorefest. Co-writer Caleb Carr says "The problem with Paul's cut of the movie is it does not deliver the psychological fear we were looking for...It does have some good dramatic elements which can be rearranged with some good shooting into a very good movie". No announcement as to who will replace Schrader has yet been made, but whoever it is will be expected to handle some reshoots and fix up the film more towards the investor's liking. Thanks to 'Mike', 'Vickman', 'Julez', 'Mick', 'CharlieG', 'Josh' & 'KarlChilders'."

Source: Darkhorizons.com

So in conclusion, gore doesn't horryfied me, it disguss me. What I like about horror movies is the suspense, the nerve-tension, the jump-out-of my seat. Something that when I walk out of the theaters, I wouldn't be able to sleep that night.

[ShatteredDreams]

If they make a nine they're gonna say that Jamie Curtis lived.The beginning of ressurection should have been the ending.Like he was passing down the knife to the guy in the clown suit

[spiderman_2k]

JLC wont be in anymore Halloween films...that is obvious..She wanted Laurie to die..bringing an end to the character....
Also he only gave the knife to "Harold" to make it seem Harold commited the murders...there was no messge there...And anyway, that guy isnt a mass murderer...Hes just obsessed with Serial Killers...

[necronon99]

holloween is just plain hollow



*awaits arrows that will end 99s life
like in hero

[sunflower03]

i think there are more stories to tell if they can come up with a better idea then they did with halloween:ressurrection. he is supposed to go after his family members, and laurie's son is alive if you go by H20, and if you go by the curse of michael meyers then here grandson is alive.

they could use the ninth film to fill in the wholes between the storylines. even if they did that they could at least use laurie's son or the character of laurie's son from H20. i don't think the premise of the last movie was totally bad but getting busta rymes in there hurt it badly because he was so annoying, and also because they totally ignored the character of laurie's son, which he would be going after if he was still alive.

i do believe though that he would kill people who were invading his house though, since they showed him doing that, and having a special attacthment to that house in past halloween movies. also another thing that was wrong with halloween: ressurrection that the audience didn't really find anything new about michael other then he had been living under the house for 20 years. if you are going to set a large part of the horror movie in the house of a serial killer, the audience wants to find some shocking new truth about the killer.

[spiderman_2k]

They cut out some stuff from Ressurection....They wanted to have a photo-album or projector that showed Michaels..6th Birthday i think it was..It was going to show him as a child and how he acted....
The only real way to put John back into the Franchise is to get Josh Hartnett to play him..And i doubt he will return to Halloween.

[OzzMosiz]

The original Halloween is a classic. It has physcological horror and gore horror. Anyone remember when Laurie looked out of the
window and Michael Myers was standing in the garden looking up.
So simple but so effective!

[Space_Jockey79]

Hum, true, I think Josh's character is still alive.

I got it: Johsh's character is now grown up, like 40's, and has a wife and kids. They find out that Michael is at it again, but just killing innocent people (because it's just the crazy guy that's doing it).

Michael's house has been turned into for sale. Without knowing, his kids decide to move there (because Josh's character didn't want to tell them about his past and all the killings). His character must go back and and get his children to safety before Michael gets them.

The thing is that is that is not only the authentic Michael that returns, but also his admire the demented crazy guy. Michael and the fake Michael battle each other while battleling with Josh's character and his family.

Well, I gave it a shot on an idea of how to make another sequel.

[Cirith Ungol]

Originally posted by spiderman_2k
Jamie Lee Curtis....

[sunflower03]

umm i doubt you would be able to get josh harnett back but you could always recast, or like someone suggested age the character, so someone else playing the role wouldn't be an issue. the idea of the character being forty isn't too bad of an idea, but they did the idea of someone living in michael's old house in halloween 6: the curse of michael meyers. i think if they would have shown him at age six, like someone said they were supposed to in ressurrection that would have helped make it a lot better film. i enjoyed jamie lee curtis's character, but i don't think she makes the whole franchise because i enjoyed some of the halloween films that she wasn't in. i really enjoyed the fourth film. i just hope the ninth film isn't anything like the fifth film. there was no point to michael chasing that stupid tina character.

[spiderman_2k]

If Josh's character (John) was 40..the film would have to be set in 2021....Michael would be 64 years old....

[Doofy Gilmore]

Originally posted by sunflower03
there was no point to michael chasing that stupid tina character. [/B]

Another person NOT paying attention. Michael chased Tina for like
3 minutes in the entire film. He mostly watched and followed her just so she could lead him to Jamie. and On top of all that, she leapt in the path of his butcher knife to spare Jamies life. He didn't have to chase her to kill her.

[sunflower03]

yes i know all of that but instead of it being the tina character. it should have been that foster sister of jamie's instead of killing her in the begining of the movie. just those three minutes made it the worst halloween movie for me, and i didn't go into all the detail of the movie for people who hadn't seen the movie. i know most people ,who are fans of the series, tend to take the time to watch all the movies of the series, but i personally know a few people who haven't scene 4 & 5.

yeah i know that would be bad if it were set when john was 40, i was commenting on a post were someone had that story idea. but even if you ignored the fact that the character was 64, i thought it was a bad idea because they had that some plot point in the curse of michael meyers.

[darthspielberg]

Originally posted by sphericthor
I wish they used their original decision to release a Halloween movie on October 31st every year but with a new and original storyline

Yes that sounds good except that when they did that with Halloween III: Season of the Witch it bombed because peoples did not want a Halloween movie without Michael Myers. It didn't work and won't. Sorry

[spiderman_2k]

Exactly, the studio stays where the money is, and that is with Michael Myers

[sunflower03]

whose dumb idea was halloween 3 anyway?

[spiderman_2k]

Carpenters i think

[necronon99]

This franchise has been falling........................................... ......

[SQueek]

Originally posted by darthspielberg
Yes that sounds good except that when they did that with Halloween III: Season of the Witch it bombed because peoples did not want a Halloween movie without Michael Myers. It didn't work and won't. Sorry

Yea but if they would of had a new story line each film that was as good as the orignal then it might work. The latest sequel might not of flopped if it was a brand new idea then a 20 year old rehash, but then again this deep into the hole, no new story could bring it out.

[sunflower03]

well even if they would have done that from the begining i don't think anyone would have liked the idea, most people like the sequels to deal with the same stuff that was in the previous movie.

[captain cocanut]

Well the Halloween producers did approach the Freddy vs Jason people...

Micheal might return with that...

[mentiroso]

IT would be cool to see a battle between Jason and Michael Myers. Not a three way bout between Freddy, Jason, and Michael though. That is trying to cram too much into one movie.
I actually liked the last Halloween film. Suprisingly Busta Rhymes was able to act a hell of a lot better than he did in Shaft so he did not ruin the movie like I thought he would.

I would see a new one if it came out. Being younger I was not able to see all of the movies in theaters as they came out so now I have to make up for it and hope they get better as they go.
Freddy v Jason was not a let down at all (unlike Jason X *vomit) so I think they could rework these movies into something worth $9 per ticket.

Just my two cents.

[spiderman_2k]

Hell no to a battle between 2 Silent killers.

[sunflower03]

i have to agree if michael meyers is in a vs movie he needs to be with someone different then himself.

[Rational_1]

IIRC, Halloween 4, 5 and 6 were ALL direct to video(there is a documentary that gets shown on AMC around Oct. 31st during their "Monster movie fest" or whatever it's called that talks about this I believe, featuring interviews with Carpenter).I am fairly certain about this and am about 99.9% certain that 4 was NEVER #1 at the box office for two weeks!The series did not get back to theatrical releases until H2O(and the return of JLC) and the films between Halloween 2 and H2O are not considered part of the continuity(and boy were they BAD!).

Halloween 1 was a classic.#2 was not the worst sequel ever made.

[Doofy Gilmore]

6 Went to theatres. Otherwise, why would most sites have a theatrical version and a directors cut listed under search results for the film? *Slap*.

[Rational_1]

Oops...I must have miscounted the numbers which were made between JLC Halloweens or one or more of those really crappy ones actually DID get a theatrical release!

[Kris Hodgson]

Originally posted by spiderman_2k
Yep, season of the witch blew major chunks..IMO

I really liked Season of the Witch. It was a great movie. It never should have been Halloween 3 though. If it was a stand alone movie, I think you would have enjoyed it more. It should have been Halloween, Halloween 2 and then Halloween H20. Just a trilogy, and end it there. I don't even acknowledge Halloween 4 or 5. They just suck. And I haven't even bothered with the newest one. He got his head chopped off dammit! I don't care how they explained it. It's still crap.

[spiderman_2k]

U forgot about Halloween 6...but thats a good thing..Bad Movie...

[Doofy Gilmore]

Originally posted by Kris Hodgson
And I haven't even bothered with the newest one. He got his head chopped off dammit! I don't care how they explained it. It's still crap.

Actually, you should see part 8. It's pretty ingenius the way Michael was able to escape. Adds a totally new dimension to him as a character.

[spiderman_2k]

A common case of Sequelitus??

[sunflower03]

i don't think that sixth movie wasn't that bad. the worst one was the third one, but if you are talking about the ones with michael meyers in it then it is the fifth one.

[jimhaze]

Originally posted by Rational_1
IIRC, Halloween 4, 5 and 6 were ALL direct to video(there is a documentary that gets shown on AMC around Oct. 31st during their "Monster movie fest" or whatever it's called that talks about this I believe, featuring interviews with Carpenter).I am fairly certain about this and am about 99.9% certain that 4 was NEVER #1 at the box office for two weeks!The series did not get back to theatrical releases until H2O(and the return of JLC) and the films between Halloween 2 and H2O are not considered part of the continuity(and boy were they BAD!).

Halloween 1 was a classic.#2 was not the worst sequel ever made.

[jimhaze]

What I meant to say above was -- I assure you that Halloween 4 and 5 were in theatres -- I know because I saw them both in person -- Halloween 6 -- that sort of snuck onto video before I even knew it had been created -- and by the by -- it is the only one of the series (with the exception, of course, of part three) that isn't included in the box sets -- I wonder if that is because it sucks or didn't make much sense -- or a combination of both

[sunflower03]

i believe but i could be wrong that six was in theatres, it just wasn't advertised very much, and didn't make much money so it went to video quickly.

[chen shen]

Originally posted by Janey
I mean the first 6, had horrible (except 1 and 2) box office grosses like the 5th, only got $11mil, but the 7th (H20), jumped and earned $55mil, then Ressurrection earned $30mil (is that good) and there's gonna be a 9th, i'm not sure what to think, why did it suddenly go up? you just realize this Einstein

[ILOVEKATIE]

IMO, they should've stop at H2O...the ending, to me, was great.
But since they have dicided to keep going, I think they could make a really good film if they write a great script, I like the Halloween franchise, I have hope, you never know what can happen.