I agree with Lton

[Lackey]

Check here (http://comingsoon.net/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=16900) to Lton's post.

For the most part, I have to agree with what he said. ...and it wasn't an offensive post that required closing.

[jorich]

I don't understand why something that promotes intellectual thinking got closed...Lton's post was well-thought out and didn't seek to offend anybody or any group in any particular way. If anything, the lack of intellectual responses led to its downfall.

[Rebecca]

I myself did not find his post offensive in any way,but what are u 2 trying to prove? U can't bring it back! Maybe make up a new thread and hopefully it doesn't get too dirty. Maybe the title of the thread wasn't appropriate. Think about it.Do it again and make sure it stays clean so it doesn't get closed like the last one.

[ambrosia]

An interesting thread. Its a shame nobody actually responded to it seriously while it was still open.

[Tenafly Viper]

Originally posted by Lton
When people speak about strippers, porn stars, and prostitutes, I can't help but notice the air of disgust that usually accompanies (unless you're a horny member of the male 18-49 group.) I too was once disgusted by this group (and don't worry I'm a normal straight male, just able to think with the head on my shoulders.) But just recently I've grown to accept this group, and place them no lower than your average female celebrity, mainly for one reason- they can admit that they are whoring themselves.

You can easily make a comparison between many female actresses or singers, with either of the before mentioned professions. An actor promoting an upcoming film can display himself with dignity on any number of magazine covers, while the actress is spread eagle on the cover of Maxim, or laid out on a bed with the sheets strategically placed to cover the "naughty" areas. Some then go on to be in Playboy, and suddenly their pictorial becomes "art", unlike the rest of the dirty trash in the mag. Many rap videos are criticized for their portrayal of women, usually dancing around in thong bikinis, getting sprayed with water or some acoholic bevarge. And how do the leading female artists combat these images, they dance around in thong bikinis, getting sprayed with water (*applause* for not stooping to alcoholic beverages.) "But how are they like pornstars?", you ask. Did anyone see Monsters Ball? In a controversial '03 Cannes film festival entry, the lead actress actually orally pleasured her male costar on film, yet I'm sure there's a great reason as to why she's better than Jenna Jameson.

I guess the funniest part of this whole scenario, is when I watch these actresses age and suddenly the have a great epiphany- beauty isn't everything. Sharon Stone will be on lifetime hoping for actresses to promote better images for women of the world, meanwhile we all can recall her most memorable scene from Basic Instinct.This is obviously a case of too little, too late.

PS: I know that I'm not saying anythying new or revolutionary, but most of the people I've told this to just write me off as a lonely, bitter loser. So I had to post this to see if anyone agreed with me.

You don’t really accept them, you tolerate them, and it’s just that your disgust is hidden behind a thin veil of tolerance, a kind of condescending sympathy. I say this because you still see them as a lower form of life, “no lower then” are your words, and you still place yourself in a position where you judge them. That sir is not acceptance. What I’d also like to know is why you feel so incredible threatened by these people? To think you actually waste your time thinking about them, live and let live.

What disturbs me is that you’re comments are extremely bigoted and you are oblivious to that fact, I’m guessing that is why the first thread was locked.
Bigoted in what way you ask?
Well first off you categorize yourself as a NORMAL straight male and you go out of your way to emphasize this fact. You also equate your inflated self-morality as the ability to think with the “head on your shoulders”. You are obviously insinuating that homosexuality is unnatural, that it’s a scarlet letter of shame or depravity, and god forbid someone mistake you for a Homo, right. It’s this kind of homophobic thinking that leads to inhumane acts of needless violence everyday. You also have a superiority complex when comparing yourself to other heterosexual men… because in your own mind you have a higher sense or right and wrong. But, in all actuality you probably feel inferior to those who are more outgoing then yourself, those who you consider desirable by the opposite sex, you resent them, and if by some chance they enjoy exploring themselves in a sexually manner, you equate that to them thinking with their small head, right, and their partners nothing but whores, and so they're less moral or less intelligent then yourself. Again I'll say it, live and let live.

Now for the most insulting of your comments you equate strippers, porn stars, and prostitutes along with other female celebrity…The key word and mindset here is FEMALE, by your definition these labels are all derogatory and you equate them solely with women. There are male strippers and porn stars and prostitutes, and if you really want to think about something think about how masculine in nature they are, and almost all are setup for male gratification. So you’re a chauvinist on top of everything else and I’d guess you have some issues with women in general. God forbid women become sexually liberated, because then they'd hold all the card, because everyone knows us men are ruled by our penis and we'd be easily manipulated, right? :rolleyes: God forbid women actually enjoy sex and explore themselves as sensual beings. They might actually become equals then, perish the thought. Lets oppress them and shame them into submition make them feel lessened. Once again LIVE AND LET LIVE…

I'm going to make the assumption that you are a religious person, if I'm wrong I'm sorry, if I'm right that's fine. But if so then I'd ask the question "what exactly does the passage “judge not lest ye be judged yourself” mean to you"? Because I thought it pretty self explanatory.

Have a nice day.

[TyRoss]

Actually my personal offendedness (oooh I just made a word) come from the fact that I've known several girls who have been exotic dancers and their just people doing a job.. yes some dancers even many dancers can become drug addicts and worse but to generalise them like that is truly offensive to me and too many people do it. Many of them are nice girls who just need the cash and don't know how else they can make enough to do what they have to do (go to school withount loans or support, raise kids with a deadbeat dad etc). The fact that they're uninhibited enough to do what they do and put up with the bull**** that most men in those places (but not all) put them through earns them a lot of respect in my books as well. So while your entitled to your own opinions and such I would urge you to get to know a few people first before making such generalizations. Basicly you insulted some of my closest friends with what you said in that post.

And before any of you start thinking the wrong way (and I know you probobly will in a joking way) when I mean close friends I mean that a dancer was best man at my wedding (yes I had a female best man) I'm that close to some of them.

However I do digress that perhaps it was wrong of me to close a thread when I obviously have a bit of a bias about the subject. Hence I leave this one open... just be prepared for a fight if you start dissing dancers again.

[ambrosia]

I hold no offendedness's against the Adult Industry. Here in Australia, it's all pretty legal and no real stigma's are held against it.

It's all a matter of personal opinion and as I always say, To each his own.... and her own. ;)

[JeffStacky]

Originally posted by Rebecca
I myself did not find his post offensive in any way,but what are u 2 trying to prove? U can't bring it back! Maybe make up a new thread and hopefully it doesn't get too dirty. Maybe the title of the thread wasn't appropriate. Think about it.Do it again and make sure it stays clean so it doesn't get closed like the last one.

Go rebecca...it's ya b day!

hehe

From Jeff

[JeffStacky]

Originally posted by ambrosia
I hold no offendedness's against the Adult Industry. Here in Australia, it's all pretty legal and no real stigma's are held against it.

It's all a matter of personal opinion and as I always say, To each his own.... and her own. ;)

cool you are from Australia? Nice!
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From Jeff

[Lton]

I've been gone for quite a while (took a small vacation), and was very surprised to see that a thread was opened in regards to my quickly closed post- perhaps it was the harsh name I gave it and for that I apologize. I want to thank Lackey for re-opening the issue and anyone who agreeed with me. I also want to thank those who disagreed with me, since it gives me a chance to fill the holes I left in my argument, and clear up any misunderstandings.

For one I am not a member of the religous right- I know that once an argument of morality arises it's often thought to be steeped in some type of religon. I personally believe that the best examples of morality can come from within, rather than be the result of some reguritation from a holy book.

Secondly, I did not intend to to come off as a homophobe. My comment about being a normal straight male, was merely inserted to combat the knee-jerk reaction that I assumed many would have- writing me off as gay. (Trust me, once people find out you're not overly interested in strippers, porno, or staged carrer-saving lesbian kisses at award shows, they generally write you off as such.)

Next, my argument was not an attack on the sex professions, but moreso an attack on the average hollywood actress. I was comparing the two and showing how they are looked upon in completely different ways for doing pretty much the same thing. A stripper does her thing and it's labeled smut, meanwhile the actress does something quite similar and it's labeled sexual liberation (my favorite phrase.) Women have also fought for intellectual liberation and having the right to be recognized as mental equals to men, but honestly which form of "liberation" looks better on The Man show, or any other form of toilet humor. I have no problem with women sexually expressing themselves, but the truth is if men didn't find this entertaining, they'd be "liberating" themselves at home instead of on prime time television.

Finally I must say that you do have me on one issue- I have a slight superioirity complex problem. But its very hard not to when the men you come in contact with are so sexually driven. I also find it very naive to think that many men aren't controlled by their reproductive organ, when the proof repeatedly shows up for many to see. At my job there are strict sexual harasment rules, and three off my close friends, which I'd call fairly intelligent, still wound up getting fired due to thinking with the other head. You look at the Kobe Bryant case and you can say that he's a young guy who just slipped up, but what can you say about President Clinton; he was a great president who led us through some of the best economic times, but that will forever be overshadowed be his need for a bj.