Long live testosterone!!!

[ChristCarrier]

Is anyone else glad that all of the "girl power" movies are beginning to get old and that no one really cares anymore. Dont get me wrong, im not sexist, but if youve seen bill Maher's latest HBO special, then you might know that women are starting to take over. But with the recent box office flops of Charlie's Angels 2, Tomb Raider 2, and legally Blonde 2, it shows that there is still a little testosterone left in the people going to see movies. SO, long live testosterone and man movies like terminator, the matrix, and bad BOYS!!!

[spiderman_2k]

....Thanx for sharing...:D

[Fanible]

The problem is with the majority of actresses who play the roles of these "female power" flicks and tv shows, is that they're selected to play them for their looks, as so many actresses are for any role for that matter, which is why a majority of people's favorite actors are 90% male.

Anyways, the result is a lot of fight scenes that look fake because they don't try very hard, so it looks like their kicks and punches would barily leave a bruise (Buffy the Vampire Slayer), or due to their good looks and skinny slender bodies, they just look ridiculous attempting or doing the stuff they do (Charlie's Angels). The result is undesirable action, or then some.

Good female power roles that actually seem good include Sigourney Reaver in Alien, Carrie-Ann Moss in the Matrix series, and Linda Hamilton from Terminator 2... Ironicly, however, you included two of those in your post and said they were man movies.

[tedward]

I dont think he was talking about female role models anyway...

Chick flicks are always going to be around for ever, even if legally blonde (the only real chick flick you mentioned) flopped because there is still a huge market for them (maid in manhattan, how to lose a guy in 10.. etc would be more typical chick flicks)

Chick flicks also only cost a small fraction of the cost of testosterone flicks like t3 and bad boys etc, and still provide a more than generous return.

Long live testosterone!!! Viva la resitance, down with chick flicks :)

[spiderman_2k]

Originally posted by Fanible
The problem is with the majority of actresses who play the roles of these "female power" flicks and tv shows, is that they're selected to play them for their looks, as so many actresses are for any role for that matter, which is why a majority of people's favorite actors are 90% male.

Anyways, the result is a lot of fight scenes that look fake because they don't try very hard, so it looks like their kicks and punches would barily leave a bruise (Buffy the Vampire Slayer), or due to their good looks and skinny slender bodies, they just look ridiculous attempting or doing the stuff they do (Charlie's Angels). The result is undesirable action, or then some.

Good female power roles that actually seem good include Sigourney Reaver in Alien, Carrie-Ann Moss in the Matrix series, and Linda Hamilton from Terminator 2... Ironicly, however, you included two of those in your post and said they were man movies.

Glad to see u edited in Linda Hamilton...:D

[sunflower03]

i am female and i enjoy chick flicks, but i don't consider the charlies angles movies a chick flick. because that movie was made for the male audience. also a lot of these so called chick flicks recently have just sucked.

[EnderDeschain]

Allow me a brief (or perhaps not-so-brief) moment to vent, if you would. This subject is something that's bugged me for years, and I want to expound on it a little.

Being in the United States Navy, I have to serve with a lot of women alongside me. We do a thing called the PRT (Physical Requirement Test) which is exactly what it sounds like. We run, do push-ups, sit-ups, that type of sh**, and if you can't meet the standards the Navy has outlined for a particular age group then you go on physical remediation. Which is you getting your ass handed to you, boot-camp style, on a daily basis for a while. And this is the part where this ties in.

I'm a twenty-six-year-old male. There are twenty-six-year-old females on my ship who have to run PRT at the same time as me. But their standards are lower. They don't have to run as fast, they don't have to do as many push-ups, et cetera, they get longer time on the swim. In discussions about this people have told me that's how it has to be because if women were held to the same standard, they probably wouldn't make it. And yet they can acquire the same rank as me or higher, and effectively become my superior, while not being able to perform as well as me physically. This does not seem fair at all.

The point that I'm getting at here is that women, as a whole, are physically inferior to men. It's not sexist for me to say this, it's just cold hard fact. Sure there are exceptions, of course, there always are, but I'm talking generally. It simply can not be denied. Even the United States government, as PC as it tries to be, pretty much has to admit it by lowering the physical standards for women so that they can stay in. While I understand that we must be sensitive and et cetera, I think it's a ridiculous practice to undermine the truth for the sake of someone's feelings. Movies like the ones you guys are discussing here set a false and downright dangerous example for girls growing up in the world today. How many times have you seen a woman get beat by a man in an action movie (not a Lifetime movie)? I mean beat in a fight? Almost none. But women whoop up on men all the time. Charlie's Angels, JLo's Enough, Tomb Raider, The Long Kiss Good-Night, the list goes on and on of movies that present women as being able to not just stand toe to toe with men, but stand head and shoulders above them. This is neither a realistic nor safe message to be sending the public. If women really wanted to be equal physically, as these types of flicks seem to me to imply, then there would be no battered women shelters and things like that.

I hope I'm saying this right. Men hitting women, fighting women, beating women, is wrong, simply because it's irrefutable that we have a natural advantage (again, generally). But the more movies like the ones in discussion here that come out, the more people lose sight of that fact. A guy like me gets a little sick and tired of watching women kick men's asses constantly on-screen, and it makes me a little angry because it's so unrealistic. So I find myself sometimes thinking "man, I wish I was in this movie so I could show this cocky woman she's not as bad as she thinks." I don't want to think that way, and I would not ever really hit a woman, but that bitter attitude is there, and a lot of people carry that with them outside the theatre. Do you see where I'm coming from here?

Woman power, great, yeah, sure. But not unrealistically so. I think we are equal, I sincerely do, in every manner but the physical. And it's being portrayed the exact opposite of the way it really is. So, in conclusion, I'm happy to see these movies sort of losing their steam as well. And there's no discrimination here. Show me a movie where a guy is just wailing on females left and right, making wisecracks and sh** the whole time or smirking like it's a walk in the park, presented in a positive light, and I'll rant against that movie, too. Intergender fighting is dangerous ground to portray in any light except the serious kind. But this is just my opinion.

And by the way, I'm leaving the country tomorrow, for a few months, so if anyone wants to get irate at me about this and post curses and what-not, you probably shouldn't bother. I won't be around to see it, at least not for a while.

[tedward]

Hey my cousin was in the navy and she..

i agree with what your saying (although it is off topic), I hate positive discrimination.

[Fanible]

Im not sure how chick flicks would be considered female power roles. When I think power roles, it's trying to show the woman being tough, doing things that in normal circumstances would be told they couldn't do. Kind of like an inspiration for women that you can be all that you can be.

Anyways, I don't mind chick flicks so much. Atleast when those movies, with good looking kooky girls, they're doing stuff they look normal doing. Not high flying karate freaks, and supposedly being able to kick the crap out of majorly buff guys that could snap them in two in reality.

[theexpert31]

well to be fair the reason you dont see men beating up women as a hero because it not very heroic..it be like beating up on a midget. That why most tall guys in movies LOSE to the little guys

Also take note most of the so called chicks flicks that are mention are action aimed toward GUYS. So you cant really blame the women

I dont consider the soft porn of charlie Angels a chick flick. Also some guys like seeing girls kick ass.

Also hey I use to bad reality in action flicks. If I can accep half the **** in bad boys

then I can accept a woman beating up a man when she the hero

[ChristCarrier]

[A/]

Also hey I use to bad reality in action flicks. If I can accep half the **** in bad boys

then I can accept a woman beating up a man when she the hero [/B]




Good point
but thats not the point
if ya know what i mean

[sunflower03]

i agree, chick flicks are not movies like charlie angles. those movies are made for the guys. those type of films are to have a good looking female action hero, so that way they can claim it is female empowerment, but making it similar to other action movies so that guys will go and see it.

[Fanible]

Well im the only one that's mentioned Charlie's Angels, and I havn't called them chick flicks.... i've called them female power roles...... which they are.

And wether or not they're steered at guys, the flicks ive mentioned, probably due to their female power roles, have the audience split in two for gender. And then you got the female power role of Buffy the Vampire Slayer, where the majority audience is female.

[theexpert31]

also some guys just like sex and violence and seeing chick kick ass

they picky sexy feamale heroes kicking butt for two reason

Give guy something to look at

Give guys something to look at why the chicks are shooting

best of both worlds really. In order to make them bigger then life they have to be able to kick a lot of guys asses

I mean guys seem to like it. I mean you think tomb raider make the bucks because of women seeing it. No way.

Buffy is differnt. They actully gave her charcter flaws and fears. Also she a hero so she has to kind of eventully kick everyones ass but she does get slap around a lot

[Fanible]

But i'd like to enjoy the action durring an action movie. Not think it looks freakin ridiculous. If I was going into it thinking mainly about seein chicks and whatnot, i'd go rent a movie that was ment just for that.

[sunflower03]

well some people keep calling the charlie angle movies chick flicks and act as if they were aimed at females, when these type of movies clearly aren't. the person who started this thread did.

[Optimus Magnus]

You know, I wouldn't mind seeing a film in which there are two main roles, male and female, and have them as equals, with different skills and weaknesses

But to vent a problem, I am getting a little sick of seeing us guys portrayed as idiots on TV and in Movies

[ambrosia]

Originally posted by Optimus Magnus

But to vent a problem, I am getting a little sick of seeing us guys portrayed as idiots on TV and in Movies

No offence meant but if you don't like it, don't watch it. There are plenty of movies and T.V. shows where the 'Guys' aren't portrayed as idiots.

And if people start using Buffy in this argument as a chick series... then your definition of such things need some serious fine tuning. So I'd have to disagree with Fanible that the majority of viewers of Buffy are female. I'd say it's a fairly even mix.

[Optimus Magnus]

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No offence meant but if you don't like it, don't watch it. There are plenty of movies and T.V. shows where the 'Guys' aren't portrayed as idiots.

And if people start using Buffy in this argument as a chick series... then your definition of such things need some serious fine tuning. So I'd have to disagree with Fanible that the majority of viewers of Buffy are female. I'd say it's a fairly even mix.
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But in those series, we usually just blunder around anyway with big guns and hope for the best. But a good show with the right mix has just come to mind:

Stargate SG1, each team member has stregths and weaknesses but they all have an above basic IQ

[todd philip]

i for one LIKED TOMB RAIDER 2!

[ambrosia]

Originally posted by Optimus Magnus

Stargate SG1, each team member has stregths and weaknesses but they all have an above basic IQ

You're saying O'Neill and T`ulk have above average IQ's? ;)

They have onfield experience aplenty but they aren't the brightest of eggs. O'Neil proves this every time Carter goes into one of her explainations.

Jonas and Daniel Jackson do make up for this, though.

[Mat]

There's a trend on TV family sitcoms to have the father be the bumbling moron (probably started with the brilliant All in the Family or maybe even the Flintstone). I don't think we'll ever see a show like The Andy Griffith Show again. Andy was honorable, respectful, and smart; but Oh jesus, he smoked cigarettes. We certainly can't have that in the family hour can we?

On the Charlie's Angels thing: I can see why they are bad role models for young girls. Their too unrealistic. Sarah Connor kicks ass realistically plus she's not an over the top beauty.

[evilsquishy]

I'm still proud to admitt I watched "Movies for Guys who Like Movies" on the old TNN. Not many girls would do THAT, huh! :p

[Optimus Magnus]

What I mean is, although each member is intelligent, granted O'Niel isn't the sharpest tool in the shed, but there is a difference between knowledge and wisdom

(Never thought a good quote would come out of those awful new Star wars movies)