What's in the news?

[Dogbert0228]

Thread where we can talk about national and international news and share our opinions....

1st topic:

Iraq. Should Bush have led America to war, and what now?

My opinion:

Bush misled the American people with the 'facts' he gave to backup the dangers posed by Saddam Hussein and Iraq, and now we're there with no point but to act as police officers. It seems like more and more troops are dying everyday, and have been since the 'end' of major fighting. These deaths, along with those of soldiers during the 'major conflict' stage of the war and Iraqi civilians, have all been unjustified. It's hard to justify the death of anyone, but it seems that all the fighting has done is expell a regime that was "evil," but not one that had any proven ties to terror orginizations currently threatening the US and it's interests. All of the war on terrorism has done, I think, is delay another attack on America. The next one won't be as large-scale or sophisticated as those of 9/11, but there will be one, and it will have serious consequnces.

As for the 'what now?' I think American troops needs to withdraw from Iraq to prevent the further loss of innocents. However, they have to do so in a way to keep some form of stability, so as not to completely negate their efforts at building and leaving Iraq with a new democratic government.

Now what's everyone else think?

And when this subject becomes stale, as it already is (sorry) then someone pick a new one....

[Dogbert0228]

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[Kyle Katarn]

Q: "What's in the news?"

A: Some depressing ****. The antidepressants are ineffective enough without force feeding myself more gloom and doom on a daily basis.

[Dogbert0228]

Then find a counselor and change the channel to Nickelodeon

[tyler_durden]

As for the Bush thing, I find it ironic that we put Saddam in power and supplied him (and Osama) with weapons (some chemical to Iraq), and now we are angry that they were using them. Our government at its best.

[Kyle Katarn]

Originally posted by Dogbert0228
Then find a counselor and change the channel to Nickelodeon

I could go for some SpongeBob right about now!

[Dogbert0228]

Originally posted by Kyle Katarn
I could go for some SpongeBob right about now!

:) Awesome :)

[Mat]

The action in Iraq was justified, but it will lose it's justification if the military continues to lose control of the people. Their gonna have to gain control and stop this stupid guerilla warfare before anarchy totally takes over Iraq and the US is forced to pull out. Alas, I don't know the answer to controlling the situation, but they'd better better find a way soon.

Saddam's head on a platter may help a little, but there will still be pockets of resistance that will need to be eradicated.

[bluebeast619]

i heard a guy left his baby in his car and forgot about the baby, the baby died, what kind of dumbass forgets his baby, everytime i hear this i wanna kick this guys ass, u don't forget u leave a baby especially while as hot as it is getting now.

[slinger]

Originally posted by bluebeast619
i heard a guy left his baby in his car and forgot about the baby, the baby died, what kind of dumbass forgets his baby, everytime i hear this i wanna kick this guys ass, u don't forget u leave a baby especially while as hot as it is getting now.

Okay maybe for brief moment, but he left the baby for eight hours.


In entertainment news, Andy Richter returns tomorrow night as a guest on Consie.

[Dogbert0228]

awesome. anything andy richter does is cool, even a guest appearance on something I've never heard of...

[IdahoMR2man]

I think the problem with Iraq is that it's full of Iraqis. Just kidding. The middle east and MANY other countries are going to hate the US for a VERY long time. There's no immediate answer that can be provided. The Bush administration puts out the image that as soon as they get this mess cleaned up it's all going to be peas and carrots. Wrongo! There will be hatred from that part of the world towards the US for as long as ANY of us live. Sorry to break it to you. There will indoubtedly be another terrorist attack.

[slinger]

Originally posted by Dogbert0228
awesome. anything andy richter does is cool, even a guest appearance on something I've never heard of...

Late Night with Conan O'Brien? Better tell the NBC Marketing Dept. to work harder.

[Longshanks]

Ah - real news and political comment - I tried this once but it ended in tears.

[Mat]

Originally posted by IdahoMR2man
The Bush administration puts out the image that as soon as they get this mess cleaned up it's all going to be peas and carrots. Wrongo! There will be hatred from that part of the world towards the US for as long as ANY of us live. Sorry to break it to you. There will indoubtedly be another terrorist attack.

I think this vision that the Bush administration has said that everything will be alright when the mess is cleaned up is more created by the media than Bush. No doubt about it, Bush is in trouble if he doesn't fix things quickly. Americans are not a patient people at all. Of course, he'd be in bigger trouble if the Democrats had strong competiton for him, but they all look pretty weak right now. Of all of them, I like Lieberman the most, but things are not looking that good for him.

[LadyFireFly]

http://www.cnn.com/2003/US/Northeast/08/13/four.drown.ap/index.html

This is an extremely sad story. 3 male camp counselors (18-19 years old) drowned while jumping into a river to try and save their friend who fell off a ledge. While they were lifeguards themselves, the current of the water was too strong and it sucked them all under, leading to their deaths. One of the boys was the younger brother of someone I used to be friends with.

What a waste :(

[IdahoMR2man]

Originally posted by Mat
I think this vision that the Bush administration has said that everything will be alright when the mess is cleaned up is more created by the media than Bush. No doubt about it, Bush is in trouble if he doesn't fix things quickly. Americans are not a patient people at all. Of course, he'd be in bigger trouble if the Democrats had strong competiton for him, but they all look pretty weak right now. Of all of them, I like Lieberman the most, but things are not looking that good for him.

I couldn't agree with you more, jigga. I sure as hell ain't voting for Gore when he runs again. I'd rather have A government than none. And yeah the media ALWAYS pollutes things with their influence. Live in Idaho. It's a joke. People have no more brain cells than to believe what the media tells them. It wins or loses elections. Take me for example. I'm 24 and could run an office better than ANY politician in Idaho. But do I want to? Hells no. Because the media will take me and spit me out like I was last weeks tacos. It's a joke. *end rant*

[IdahoMR2man]

Originally posted by LadyFireFly
http://www.cnn.com/2003/US/Northeast/08/13/four.drown.ap/index.html

This is an extremely sad story. 3 male camp counselors (18-19 years old) drowned while jumping into a river to try and save their friend who fell off a ledge. While they were lifeguards themselves, the current of the water was too strong and it sucked them all under, leading to their deaths. One of the boys was the younger brother of someone I used to be friends with.

What a waste :(

Wow. I'm sorry Lady. I've been there. A girl I was dating was at a party by a lake here in Idaho when one of her friends drowned after getting chased by the cops for stealing some wheels. It was rough. I feel ya.

[Dogbert0228]

Originally posted by slinger
Late Night with Conan O'Brien? Better tell the NBC Marketing Dept. to work harder.

He said Andy would be on Consie, and I had never heard of 'Consie' before... I know he was on Late Night for a few years(he guested on that last night) and he had a great show on FOX that was cancelled for who-knows what reason, Andy Richter Controls the Universe...

In other news, the FBI stopped a plot to smuggle RPG launchers into the country... I'm glad to hear some good news in the war on terror every once in a while... Plus, this answers the question of where all the WMD's went. They were being smuggled into New Jersey!

[IdahoMR2man]

There's now a porn star running against Arnold for governor of California named Mary Carey. Good luck down there guys....
http://us.news2.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/nm/20030812/mdf335107.jpg

[Dogbert0228]

Originally posted by IdahoMR2man
There's now a porn star running against Arnold for governor of California named Mary Carey. Good luck down there guys....
http://us.news2.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/nm/20030812/mdf335107.jpg

Yep. No joke. And part of her platform is a tax on breast implants. Again, no joke.

[Tardumb]

Wow...I feel alot dumber after seeing that...

[Mat]

I also heard she wanted a porn for guns campaign. That doesn't sound like a bad idea. :p

[slinger]

Originally posted by Dogbert0228
He said Andy would be on Consie, and I had never heard of 'Consie' before... I know he was on Late Night for a few years(he guested on that last night) and he had a great show on FOX that was cancelled for who-knows what reason, Andy Richter Controls the Universe...



Conan refers to himself as Consie sometimes.

Andy's show didn't have the ratings Fox wanted. They gave it a second chance but still with the great praise from the critics it was cancelled. Watching Consie on Charlie Rose, just flipping and there he was.

[Dogbert0228]

I feel like Jon Stewart reporting the "news" where it's too absurd to be real... But it is...

http://www.kbtoys.com/g/toys/big/123116.jpg

It's $39.99 @ KBtoys.com

BBI proudly introduces the latest issue in its Elite Force series of authentic military 12- inch figures, President George W. Bush in naval aviator flight uniform. Exacting in detail and fully equipped with authentic gear, this limited-edition action figure is a meticulous 1:6 scale recreation of the Commander-in-Chief's appearance during his historic Aircraft Carrier landing. On May 1, 2003, President Bush landed on the USS Abraham Lincoln (CVN-72) in the Pacific Ocean, and officially declared the end to major combat in Iraq. While at the controls of an S-3B Viking aircraft from the "Blue Sea Wolves" of Sea Control Squadron Three Five (VS-35), designated "Navy 1," he overflew the carrier before handing it over to the pilot for landing. Attired in full naval aviator flight equipment, the President then took the salute on the deck of the carrier.

This fully poseable figure features a realistic head sculpt, fully detailed cloth flight suit, helmet with oxygen mask, survival vest, g-pants, parachute harness and much more. The realism and exacting attention to detail demanded by today's 12-inch action figure enthusiast are met and exceeded with this action figure. This incredibly detailed figure is a fitting addition to the collection of those interested in U.S. history, military memorabilia and toy action figures. Actual figure may vary slightly from item shown.

[Dogbert0228]

Originally posted by slinger
Conan refers to himself as Consie sometimes.

Andy's show didn't have the ratings Fox wanted. They gave it a second chance but still with the great praise from the critics it was cancelled. Watching Consie on Charlie Rose, just flipping and there he was.

Okay, thanks. I've never heard the Consie thing before... I know it didn't have the ratings, but it's not like they had anything better to replace it with... Andy Richter announced on "Consie" that now he's filming a movie with the Olson twins he described as a "madcamp romp in Manhattan..." That's sad. Andy's better than that...

[Mat]

Marine charges boob job to Uncle Sam
From ABC news

Aug. 14 — A Marine Corps lance corporal is in the military brig for illegally using a Pentagon credit card to buy herself a car, motorcycle, furniture and a breast-lift, according to the Marine Forces Reserve.

Funny stuff...

[slinger]

Originally posted by Dogbert0228
Okay, thanks. I've never heard the Consie thing before... I know it didn't have the ratings, but it's not like they had anything better to replace it with... Andy Richter announced on "Consie" that now he's filming a movie with the Olson twins he described as a "madcamp romp in Manhattan..." That's sad. Andy's better than that...

True, but I don't think the movie will be your typical Olsen Twins movie.

[slinger]

A Brazilian man who considered an inflatable puppet his "bride" killed his parents because they demanded he divorce her and damaged the toy, media reports said today.

The 44-year-old unemployed man apparently confessed to the crime, which occurred on Saturday, after a long interrogation by police in a suburb of Sao Paulo city, a police spokesman said.

"The man thought the doll was a human being, called her his bride and talked to her," an acquaintance of the family was quoted as saying.

But his parents, who were religious, demanded he separate from the doll.

When the mother took scissors and cut holes in the man's "bride", the man strangled and stabbed his father, age 70, and mother, age 71.

"My parents didn't love me and didn't understand me," the man was quoted as saying.

http://smh.com.au/articles/2003/08/14/1060588505324.html

Oh and Colin Quinn bombed big time at Robert De Niro's birthday.

[JAE]

Blast rips through the UN Headquaters in Baghdad. Causualties not confirmed. Thought to be dozens killed and more injured. No word on US personel caught in the blast. It is believed to be the work of Sadam loyalists. :(

[LadyFireFly]

Originally posted by slinger
When the mother took scissors and cut holes in the man's "bride", the man strangled and stabbed his father, age 70, and mother, age 71.

The man is crazy enough to consider a blow-up doll his bride, and the parents don't think that maybe mutilating the damn thing isn't the best idea? :rolleyes:

[equipe]

Some drunk driver hit a group of 18year old kids in Quebec. two were seriously injured, one killed. The real horror was that the boy who was killed was stuck in the windsheild for over an hour and the drunk just kept driving around.

This guy should never see the light of day again.
Here's a link
Quebec man drove for an hour with body of dead man stuck in windshield (http://www.cbc.ca/stories/2003/08/18/quewindshield030818)

[BaMBbLeS]

Originally posted by JAE
Blast rips through the UN Headquaters in Baghdad. Causualties not confirmed. Thought to be dozens killed and more injured. No word on US personel caught in the blast. It is believed to be the work of Sadam loyalists. :(

I heard that in the car this morning. They didn't give much detail though. It was just BAM Explosion near UN Headquarters in Baghdad... in other news....

[tedward]

I read in the news that a plague giant gerbils are ransacking China. The gerbils, upto 40cm in height (1 and a 1/3 feet tall) have munched through an area of grassland the size of switzerland.

In response Eagles are being especially bred to "gobble up the offending animals"

source: the bbc

I wonder what sort of eagles they are breeding?

[Mat]

http://www.drudgereport.com/bush.jpg

A coming edition of GQ magazine turns President Bush in to Jesus Christ -- in a full-page photo illustration!

The controversial photo is set to run with an accompanied essay titled "George W's Personal Jesus," publishing sources tell the DRUDGE REPORT.

"In the beginning, there was the call...," writer Guy Lawson opens in his essay on the president's religious convictions.

The photo marks a dramatic entrance for new GQ editor Jim Nelson.


Interesting...

[Kyle Katarn]

Sacrelige anyone?

[slinger]

Ten years after the release of Warner's Free Willy, Keiko, the whale who starred in the title role, has steadfastly refused to be free, hunt for food, or bond with other orca whales. With an estimated $20 million spent on the unsuccessful effort to reintroduce Keiko into his natural habitat, support for the Free Keiko project appears to be dwindling. The whale currently swims in Taknes Bay, on Norway's central coast, where it showed up a year ago after following a boat from Iceland -- 900 miles away. Meanwhile, Dr. Gregory Bossart, a veterinarian who once cared for the whale, has told CNSNews that the Free Keiko project was doomed from the start. "This is not science; Keiko is a good example of how our actions make ourselves feel good," he said. "This whale should never have been released. ... This is not a release candidate, never was a release candidate." However, Dave Phillips, who heads the Free Willy-Keiko Foundation, told CNSNews: "We have not lost hope ... I think it's still an open question."

[Mat]

Originally posted by Kyle Katarn
Sacrelige anyone?

That just depends what you believe in. I found it rather humorous.

[equipe]

definatley humourous

[Kyle Katarn]

Eh...to each his own.

[Kyle Katarn]

Well goody - the "roadmap to peace" seems to be dead...:(

[slinger]

Well once again....

Bin Laden's Latest Video (http://www.cbc.ca/stories/2003/09/10/binladen030910)

[tedward]

Why do they bother giving that video such widespread coverage (including timesquare) when there is nothing to say its authentic, and even if it was who wants to hear what he has to say?

[tedward]

Swedens Foreign Minister, Anna Lindh, has died in hospital a day after she was stabbed repeatedly while shopping in a Stockholm department store.

[redman]

really i thought she was in a stable condition.

[tedward]

The older sister of venus and serena williams was shot dead in LA

[slinger]

I didn't even know there was another.

[Dogbert0228]

Looking forward to Conan's 10th Anniversary Special tonight at 9:30... Clinton's rumored to be making an appearance...

I feel like I've driven the point about the Bush doll home, but this is the second week in a row Aaron McGruder had featured the doll, or something about it, in 'The Boondocks' and I again feel the need to post the comic...

http://us.news2.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/cx/uc/20030914/bo/bo030914l.gif

News news news....
The middle east... I really hate the situation... Neither Arabs or Israelis can claim to be a peaceful group until another cease fire in ennacted, and Isreal stops with the death threats on Arafat... I'm so disappointed to see the PM step down, for I felt that he was America's greatest link and ally to the Palestinians... It frsutrates me that America has to be the peace keeper and moderator all the time, all over the world, but it frustrates me even more when we say that, and then don't follow through. I know there's a peaceful compromise to be reached, so why not start proposing one until both sides agree? I know that agreement will mean one, or both sides will have to swallow a tough one, but that's part of compromise, and losing a little dignity or a few miles of territory here or there seems like a small price to pay for a lasting peace.

[redman]

Originally posted by tedward
The older sister of venus and serena williams was shot dead in LA

that was pretty sad.

[Skinny]

man... that is really sad...

[JAE]

There is a FREAKIN HUGE CATEGORIE 5 Hurricane headed right for the East Coast of the US! If this hits the Long Isalnd area, it would be one of the biggest to smack us up in almost 20 years!!

[PsychoMike]

Originally posted by JAE
There is a FREAKIN HUGE CATEGORIE 5 Hurricane headed right for the East Coast of the US! If this hits the Long Isalnd area, it would be one of the biggest to smack us up in almost 20 years!!

I didn't think it was headding towards LI. If I remember it was going to hit NC and then head north probobly weakening. I could be wrong I haven't heard much for a day or two.

[JAE]

Yeah, now they are saying that it may land between Jersey and NC. But, the Island isn't far from that, plus we're sitting in the water off the coast so we may get the nasty aftermath. Even if this thing weakens to 100 MPH winds, that will still do some damage to homes on the south shore. LI hasn't had a storm like that in a while, I think it's due.....wow, I'm such an optimist. :)

[PsychoMike]

Great, if your right then I'll get hit with some of the outer parts of the storm. Just what I want a Hurricane.

[JAE]

Hurricane parties rock!!

[PsychoMike]

You throwing a hurricane party? I'll be sure to come down.

[JAE]

Actually I have my brothers bachelor party Firday night....not a bad place to be.....:)

[JAE]

Handy site for updates of the storm:

http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/

[JAE]

OK sabin, now I get it. The Governer of Virginia declared a state of emergency already. I think thats why everyone is hustling their asses out.

[Dogbert0228]

I cannot wait. This should be awesome. I love seeing nature unleashed... Especially if it gets to Viginia/D.C./NY... I don't want to see anything be destroyed, or anyone hurt (I know both will happen though) but it's just amazing to see something of this magnitude. On an epsiode of The West Wing the other day, they moved all the ships out to sea to be safe from a hurricane, and then it moved and hit the ships where they were supposed to be safe... It's all scary, and I'm on the west coast... All I have to worry about is the occasional tsunami... I want to see this hit, but only superficially, with a crap-load of rain and wind, nothing bad... I'm praying for everyone affected by this, and now can only sit back and be 'entertained' by it... This may be one of the biggest news stories since 9/11, the kind you just sit in front of CNN for hours for... Unbelievable, and amazing at the same time...

[Mat]

Hurricanes may be impressive, but aren't as beatiful a weather force as tornadoes though. I live in tornado alley and when one comes lurking nobody takes cover, we all get the video cameras and head outside. Great stuff.

This hurricane should be a real Csonka zonk. I love seeing those puny reporters on the beach as hundred mile/hour winds are pounding them to death. :D

[Dogbert0228]

Originally posted by Mat
Hurricanes may be impressive, but aren't as beatiful a weather force as tornadoes though. I live in tornado alley and when one comes lurking nobody takes cover, we all get the video cameras and head outside. Great stuff.

This hurricane should be a real Csonka zonk. I love seeing those puny reporters on the beach as hundred mile/hour winds are pounding them to death. :D

Yeah, and you know that all those reporters are the crappy ones, or the ones who've gotten on the badside of their producers... hilarious...

[Knerys]

Heh tornados are not the exactly what I would call beautiful. Their power is astonding thats' for sure and they're speed is just plain scary. I much rather be in a hurricane the another tornado. Hurricane you can at least see coming.

[Kyle Katarn]

Lame ass excuse to get your narcotics filled early # 234:
"But the Hurricane's gonna hit! We won't be able to get out on Thursday to get our Xanax!"

We live in the mountains of extreme western North Carolina...about 15 minutes out of Tennessee! :rolleyes: :p

[Mat]

In News other than the hurricane...

General Wesley Clark has finally decided to run to president. He is 10th democratic canidate that duke it out to get the party's primary bid. I really have no idea who will get it now. First it was Edwards, then Dean, now Clark. Then you have other dark horses like Lieberman who could take it. It's anyone's game right now. Any guesses on who will actually win?

One confusing note about Clark: In 2001, he was raising money for Republicans, last year he registered to vote as an independent, now he's running for governor. Talk about a change of heart.

[The Moose]

heard about that all the way over here in NZ. must be big, but never heard of him before this

[Mat]

He was head of UN forces in Kosovo, methinks.

[The Moose]

oh. in the news here, we are getting strong winds too. there was a gust of 176 km/h earlier today, which is the exact same strength that is being predicted for Isabel, and it is onl;y caused by a few big Low pressure systems

[PsychoMike]

Originally posted by Mat
He was head of UN forces in Kosovo, methinks.

I forget exactly what his title was but this is basicly what I heard too.

I haven't heard any of his views yet, but I would presume that he is for building better relations with the UN. He probobly has a pretty good grasp on foreign relations.

Overall I still like Dean but I'd have to see what Clark thinks. Maybe a Dean/Clark Democratic ticket next fall.

[pixiness]

In local news from Miami -

Our mayor is under investigation for "misusing" public funds to pad his $80k a year salary with an extra $115k

A bicyclist was hit by a motorist and the motorist is currently being sought for questioning since they neither stopped after the accident nor slowed down. The cyclist is in critical condition (although I can't pity him too much - he was biking on one of the busiest highways in the city which is ridiculous when there's plenty of regular roads to bike on safely)

[IdahoMR2man]

Hey that's weird. Our mayor just got impeached for doing the same thing!

[Mat]

Originally posted by PsychoMike
I forget exactly what his title was but this is basicly what I heard too.

I haven't heard any of his views yet, but I would presume that he is for building better relations with the UN. He probobly has a pretty good grasp on foreign relations.

Overall I still like Dean but I'd have to see what Clark thinks. Maybe a Dean/Clark Democratic ticket next fall.

Right now, the only Democrat I'd consider voting for is Joe Lieberman, even though I don't agree with him about everything. I really don't like Dean at all. Clark is a mystery to me and he used to live close to where I live.

[sphericthor]

MSN is closing all its chatrooms in Europe, the Middle East, Latin America and most of Asia from 14 October, and changing the way others are operated globally.

US: Unmoderated chatrooms will be credit card subscription only and bundled with other products

Canada, Australia, Japan: 24-hour moderated chatrooms, with some unmoderated behind subscription

New Zealand and Brazil: 24-hour moderated chatrooms

UK and Europe: All chatrooms closing

Middle East, Latin America, Asia: All chatrooms closing

[LadyFireFly]

There was a HORRIBLE accident on the staten island ferry today, where it crashed into the side of the pier. At least 14 people were killed and many injured :(

[Macbane]

That's really sad :(

[tedward]

Hello??? China put a man in space.

[minusbfold]

Red Sox beat yankees last night to have a game 7 tonite :)

[redman]

Originally posted by tedward
Hello??? China put a man in space.

i thought they would've left him up there for longer than a day.

I feel sorry for that cubs fan who interfered with that catcher. He's gonna die pretty soon.

[LadyFireFly]

BUMP

Anything newsworthy as of late?

[PsychoMike]

Not that I can think of.

Yankees and Marlins are tied 1 game a peice. Go Flordia!!!

[Skinny]

yea... I agree with PM on that!

Go Marlins!

[LadyFireFly]

Today is a bad day for news:

Singer Elliot Smith died
Abortion ban into effect

[LadyFireFly]

Here's another horrible story for today. This one really makes me :rolleyes:

http://www.cnn.com/2003/LAW/10/22/coma.woman/index.html

[LadyFireFly]

Very...bizarre

http://www.msnbc.com/news/984141.asp?cp1=1

[JBond]

“They would be happy fish,” Brooks said.

:funny:

[PsychoMike]

Fish on prozac :funny:

just a thought: If you eat fish on prozac will that make you happy too?

[PsychoMike]

Flordia won the world Seris, Yeah!!!!

[JBond]

Originally posted by PsychoMike
Fish on prozac :funny:

just a thought: If you eat fish on prozac will that make you happy too?

If there's tartar sauce included.

[LadyFireFly]

There are no words :funny:

http://www.cnn.com/2003/TECH/ptech/10/31/offbeat.mobile.toilet.reut/index.html

[sphericthor]

Poor guy got named at the end of it all, the embarsassment he must've gone through

[Knerys]

Yep. No words lol!

[Kris Hodgson]

A toilet in Grand Central Station!!!!! Can you imagine how nasty that would've been?!?!?!?! I would've bought a new phone.

[necronon99]

lol

[LadyFireFly]

Scary stuff!

http://www.cnn.com/2003/LAW/11/05/green.river.killings/index.html

[smokiechimp]

I saw that today. What a sick guy :(

English News:
Young School Boy Murdered By Classmate
A young lad was Murdered at his school the other day by a fellow 15 year old. He stabbed him in the heart with one thrust and he died pretty much instantly. That is something that happens very very very very rarely in our schools. :(

Fireworks
A firework was let off on a housing estate and went straight through a neighbours bedroom window. It was a baby's nursery room and the mother had taken the child downstairs just two minutes before the firework destroyed the window and burned the room.

Shooting
A family where involved in a gangland assassination attempt. The gunman knocked on the door and started shooting. He shot a young 6 year old once, her mother in the stomach four times and his intended target the mothers young hudelum son in the thigh. Thay all survived the shooting as the gunman fled. The only fatality was that of the family dog shot dead in the melee.

And that concludes my English News For The week.

[LadyFireFly]

Yikes, very disturbing news Smokie. Unfortunately school murders are happening more often here than they ever used to, although it's never any less shocking whenever I hear about it. The mother has amazing timing for that infant, wow. And canines always get the **** luck.

[smokiechimp]

Yea. Thats just the new bad news of late.

Another thing is the Sarah And Jessica trial has started this week.

I don't know if you guys have heard about it but last year there was a two week hunt for the girls, their bodies where found and the Caretaker of their local school and his girlfriend where arrested pretty sharpish!

The even more shocking thing is I remember following the insident closely and the BBC interviewed that sick **** as a concerned neighbour before they realised it was him!!!! :mad:

[LadyFireFly]

:funny::funny:

Reality Twist Too Much for Contestants
By Guylaine Cadorette, Hollywood.com Staff

HOLLYWOOD, November 4, 2003 -- The plot twists in Fox's reality series Joe Millionaire and NBC's The Joe Shmoe Show have nothing on British TV channel Sky One's There's Something About Miriam.

Sky TV has pulled the plug on the reality dating show, which was scheduled to air Nov. 16, after several of its contestants threatened to sue over the program's surprise twist. It turns out the "something" about Miriam, the woman being wooed by men on the show, is that she is a pre-operative, male-to-female transsexual.

[Knerys]

Ok that's just wrong.

[Dogbert0228]

Michael Jackson has a warrant out for his arrest on a new allegation of child molestation... This might put a little crimp in his record sales... Went to Fred Meyer today and saw that he had a new CD out, and I hear he's in Vegas shooting his new video... How I hate this man... Hope if he's ever arrested he's put into the general prison population...

[Tardumb]

Michael Jackson is such a sick choad. I hope he gets sued for everything he's got and they turn the Neverland mansion into Area 52.

[LadyFireFly]

Breakups of Long Marriages More Common

By DAVID CRARY, AP National Writer

NEW YORK - Jane Harkleroad marked her first anniversary on Nov. 17 — the anniversary of the divorce that ended a 37-year marriage.



The past year has been daunting for her in many ways: Bouts of depression, some awkward dates, distress the first few times she ate out alone at restaurants.


Lately, she feels happier and more confident, thanks in large part to support from friends and fellow churchgoers in Statesboro, Ga. "If not for their prayers," she said, "I probably wouldn't be alive today."


Harkleroad, 60, is one of a growing legion of Americans confronting the trauma, challenges and opportunities of divorce after a marriage of long duration finally falls apart.


No firm statistics are available, but experts say there is no doubt that breakups among couples married upward of 25 years are becoming more common, although they're still less likely than divorce among younger couples.


With ever-lengthening life expectancies, even unhappy spouses in their 60s or 70s may find the motivation to start their social life over again.


"Sometimes it's people whose marriages have not been good for many, many years and they're just waiting for their kids to be grown," said Constance Ahrons, a California sociologist who has written extensively on marriage and divorce.


"There's the realization of the emptiness when the kids leave home, the realization that they still have many years ahead, and their spouse is not the person they want to spend the rest of their life with," Ahrons said.


Harkleroad said she sensed relatively early in her marriage that she and her husband were not fully compatible.


"But I was brought up in a Baptist background; when I married I married for better for worse," she said. "I had no intention of leaving."


Harkleroad said she and her husband eventually realized they both were unhappy, and divorce ensued, to the surprise of a son and daughter in their 30s.


The initial months after the divorce were difficult and some financial worries remain, Harkleroad said, but life improved when she moved into a smaller house and went back to work at a college library. She said her husband has remarried — to their former real estate agent — while she has tried dating.


"It's not been the best experience," she said. "People are nice, but some of them are a bit forward for me."


Fifty-seven-year-old Jane Burroughs, of Stevens Point, Wis., believes her 1997 divorce, which ended a 31-year marriage, reflected dilemmas faced by many women her age.


"My generation was caught in the middle between the women's liberation movement versus when you stayed home and took care of your children," she said. "I chose to work full-time, as a secretary, and I also had to do all the housework and raise two kids. It all fell on me."


Burroughs said she had two emotional breakdowns and underwent counseling for 10 years before deciding she needed more independence to boost her self-esteem. After one final argument in a long string, both spouses decided it was time to end the marriage, she said.


She put off dating for three years, then met some men through the Internet. "I tell my dates right from the beginning, I do not do marriage again," she said.





Her ex-husband, on the other hand, is engaged — a pattern which Burroughs says is common.

"I know some women who are very bitter, very frustrated that no men are out there for them, while their ex-husbands are out there dating, having the time of their life, or so it looks."

Experts say men and women are equally likely to be wounded by the breakup of a long-term marriage, but they generally agree that older divorced men have better luck finding a new wife.

"Unfortunately for women, it appears still to be easier for an older man to capture a younger woman than the reverse," said Dr. Robert Butler, president of the International Longevity Center-USA in Manhattan.

"However, I have seen women, even in their late 60s, who initiated the divorce, who wanted to be liberated. ... More and more women are in the work force, they have more choices."

Bob Tremblay, 59, divorced three years ago after a 29-year marriage, and says he is now happily reunited with a girlfriend from his high school days.

But his relief at ending years of marital friction is tempered by virtual estrangement from his 30-year-old daughter and a son, 28.

"My wife and I, we were ready for divorce — it should have happened way back before the kids came along," said Tremblay, an electronics technician from Somers, Conn.

But losing contact with his children was different: "It was like a knife was stuck in my heart and twisted."

Though divorces affecting young children can be wrenching — especially if disputes flare over custody and visitation — divorces by couples with adult children have their own distinct challenges.

"Many 20-plus-year-olds, facing their parents divorcing, wonder, 'Why aren't people talking about us, and how we're facing the loss of everything we ever knew?'" said Karen Kahn Wilson, a twice-divorced psychologist whose specializes in helping ex-spouses cope with divorce.

Butler said some grown children worry that their parents' divorce will affect their inheritance.

"The adult children may be quite suspicious of the sudden appearance of a new woman in their father's life, or a new man in mother's life," he said.

Betsy Stellhorn, 56, a clinical social worker from Bethesda, Md., divorced in February after a 28-year marriage. She has stayed close to her 27- and 22-year-old daughters — the youngest lives with her — but she says the divorce was hard on them.

"The older kids in a way have a tougher time — they're so used to it being a certain way for so long," she said.

Stellhorn said she divorced after learning her husband was seeing another woman, but she stressed that the marriage was strained well before that. Post-divorce, she felt a mix of emotions.

"There definitely was the grieving," she said. "But also a sense of relief when you finally make the decision. Once I made it, I never had the feeling, 'Oh, this is a mistake.'"

Mia McNerney, 55, ended her 32-year marriage in 2001 — she and her ex-husband were both still in college when they married.

Why the breakup?

"I matured," McNerney said. "Women's independence, women's roles — I waffled on them a long time. The double standard doesn't work for me: Take care of the kids, have a job when he needed me to have one, not have a job when he didn't need that."

The divorce itself was amicable, McNerney said, and she regularly sees her ex-husband when he visits her Fort Lauderdale, Fla., home to see their 12-year-old daughter. Two older children are away at college.

"I don't want to live my life being angry or jealous," McNerney said. "Am I lonely? Sometimes, sure. Do I feel like a total failure in the wife department? Sometimes, sure. But the nice thing is to feel I'm really happy that I did it."

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More uplifting news. And I wonder why I don't want to get married or why I am terrified of marriage! :rolleyes:

[LadyFireFly]

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=765&ncid=765&e=2&u=/nm/20031128/people_nm/leisure_lennon_dc_4

Eerie

[cg124]

Originally posted by LadyFireFly
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=765&ncid=765&e=2&u=/nm/20031128/people_nm/leisure_lennon_dc_4

Eerie

that is very Eerie

[PsychoMike]

that is eerie, kindda cool but eerie.

[Tardumb]

Probably another one of the most ridiculous things I've ever heard of...

[sphericthor]

All I have to say is fair play to this guy

http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2-2003561043,00.html

http://www.news24.com/News24/World/News/0,,2-10-1462_1454704,00.html

[LadyFireFly]

Woman Gets 10 Years for McDonald's Mayo Spat
Fri Dec 5, 9:47 AM ET Add Oddly Enough - Reuters to My Yahoo!



HOUSTON (Reuters) - A Texas woman was sentenced to 10 years in jail for running over the manager of a McDonald's with her car because she wanted mayonnaise on her cheeseburger.


AFP/File Photo



Waynetta Nolan, 37, showed no emotion Thursday as the sentence was read in court following a trial in which the McDonald's manager, Sherry Jenkins, said she gave Nolan the mayonnaise she requested, but she flew into a rage anyway.


"I gave her everything she asked for -- mayonnaise, no mustard, onions, everything I could possibly do for this lady. Mayo, mayo, mayo, and it's still not good enough," Jenkins told reporters outside the courtroom.


Nolan, who was convicted of aggravated assault for the April 23 incident, became so angry when a McDonald's employee told her she could not get mayonnaise that she threw her cheeseburger into the drive-through the window, witnesses said.


Jenkins tried to placate her by offering a cheeseburger with mayonnaise, but Nolan continued to make demands until Jenkins finally called police.


When she went outside to write down Nolan's license plate number, Nolan ran her over, breaking her pelvis.


Nolan testified that she was putting ketchup on her cheeseburger when she accidentally struck Jenkins.

[LadyFireFly]

How appalling! :eek:

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=514&e=6&u=/ap/20031210/ap_on_re_us/submerged_car

[Knerys]

Originally posted by LadyFireFly
Woman Gets 10 Years for McDonald's Mayo Spat
Fri Dec 5, 9:47 AM ET Add Oddly Enough - Reuters to My Yahoo!



Nolan testified that she was putting ketchup on her cheeseburger when she accidentally struck Jenkins. Yeah right. :rolleyes:

What is the world coming too...

[Knerys]

Originally posted by LadyFireFly
How appalling! :eek:

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=514&e=6&u=/ap/20031210/ap_on_re_us/submerged_car *sigh* :(

[Link]

http://www.guardian.co.uk/life/feature/story/0,13026,1098943,00.html

****

[LadyFireFly]

Wow, that is very interesting. I wish I could be given the false memory of my parents being happily married.

[Skinny]

of course everybody should know that Sadaam Husein being captured... just thought i should put this in this thread...

[HeadHunter]

what they got him...damn who is hideing in my garage then ???

[stonefaced_1]

I learned that in Psychology 101 5 years ago (about the false memories). It is relevant though, because it proves how worthless eyewitness testimony is.

[LadyFireFly]

Really ****ing disturbing!!! :eek:

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=514&e=3&u=/ap/20031215/ap_on_re_us/patient_deaths

[sphericthor]

Jeez! That's a LOT of murders and without anyone actually noticing too, that's another reason why people hate hospitals

[Knerys]

I heard about that today. It is distrubing. I amzed that he's just taking the punsihment.

[Skinny]

man... that is some really disturbing stuff right there m'lady... man... heh, and the thing is, im going into the nursing myself...

[sphericthor]

Ian Huntley has been given two life sentences for the murders of Soham schoolgirls Holly Wells and Jessica Chapman.

Maxine Carr, 26, was found guilty of perverting the course of justice by lying to police during the massive hunt for the 10-year-olds - but she was cleared of the more serious charge of assisting an offender.

Huntley stood with his head bowed in the dock at the Old Bailey as the verdicts were read out. He was given two life sentences.

Carr was just a few feet away. She had her hands clasped in front of her and showed no visible reaction. They had both denied all charges.

Carr was sentenced to three and a half years. She has already spent 475 days on remand and will be released at the halfway point in her sentence - May next year.

Mr Justice Moses told Huntley he had showed "no mercy and no regret". He added: "Only you know why you murdered them."

After four days of deliberations the jury rejected Huntley's claims that the two friends died accidentally in August last year.

They accepted the prosecution case that he tricked the girls into No5 College Close "for something sexual" and then killed them probably by smothering or strangling them.

All the guilty verdicts were reached by a majority of 11-1 by the jury within an hour of the judge telling them he would accept majority decisions today.

The girls' parents Nicola and Kevin Wells and Leslie and Sharon Chapman watched as Huntley was led to the cells. As Huntley, 29, begins his sentence tonight, it can be revealed for the first time that:


He had a series of sexual relationships with under-age girls, whom he totally dominated. He also faced four allegations of rape. There were also claims of an indecent assault on a 12-year-old girl.

He had come to the attention of the police and social services 10 times, nine of them for sex crime allegations in the Grimsby area where he came from.

None of this was made known to those who appointed him caretaker at Soham Village College in Cambridgeshire.

Carr and Huntley had conspired together in a long-running benefits fraud before they came to Soham.

The police inquiry was beset by mistakes, especially computer errors, which allowed Huntley to cover his tracks.

It took police 13 days to find the girls' burned clothes which had been hidden in a hangar in the school grounds.
Two major inquiries were announced into the catalogue of errors surrounding the case, including the chronic failure of background checks on Huntley.

Cambridgeshire Chief Constable Tom Lloyd will come under pressure to resign. He had to be ordered back from holiday by the Home Secretary as his force became bogged down in the biggest operation of its kind in British history.

For six weeks the girls' parents have been driven from their Soham homes to the Old Bailey to hear every moment of the harrowing evidence. Huntley's decision to seize the girls hinged on a row he had over the phone with Carr who was staying with her mother in Grimsby.

He was furious that his girlfriend was going out for a second night without him.

Moments later the two girls in their Manchester United shirts walked past his house at No5 College Close. He may have lured them in by pretending Carr, a teaching assistant at the girls' primary school, was upstairs. Whatever the case, Huntley had them in his power. Huntley claimed that Holly drowned in the bath after he invited the girls in to stem her nosebleed.

Huntley told the court he froze with terror. He said he smothered Jessica as he tried to stifle her cries of horror when she saw what was happening to Holly but did not mean to kill her.

Detectives believe he tried to sexually assault one of the girls, possibly Holly and probably in the bedroom.

They think he had to smother her when she started screaming. Her cries alerted Jessica and Huntley had to strangle her, either against the wall or on the floor, before ensuring Holly was dead too.

Huntley put his cover-up into operation, carrying the bodies downstairs, checking no one was around and placing them in the boot of his red Ford Fiesta. He said he had to bend their legs to make the bodies fit. He then went over to the college for black bin bags to cover his shoes to prevent footprints.

Collecting petrol in a red jerry can, he set off for an isolated area outside the perimeter of RAF Lakenheath in Suffolk. It was close to where his father had once lived and his grandmother's bungalow.

Having dumped and burned the bodies, he returned to Soham and set about helping police in their vain search. He admitted that he was the last person to see them while keeping a close eye on developments.

Two days later he collected Carr from Grimsby and she agreed to lie for him by claiming she had been in Soham all weekend to support his alibi.

They started a series of interviews for TV, radio and the press about how they desperately hoped the girls would be found alive and well. Huntley even made a public show of consoling Holly's father, telling him: "I'm sorry, I didn't know she was your daughter."

After 13 days police eventually found the charred remains of the Manchester United shirts, the girls underwear and trainers in bin bags covered in Huntley's fingerprints in the storage hangar at Soham Village College.

Huntley and Carr were arrested in pre-dawn raids. Carr soon admitted she had lied when she claimed she had been in the house when the girls had called around.

But she insisted she had no idea that her boyfriend had killed them.

In the most dramatic moment of the trial she pointed at him in the dock and shouted: "I won't take the blame for what that thing in that box did to those girls."

Today's verdict means that the jury decided that although she had lied to protect Huntley she had no idea that he had murdered the two girls. Huntley never spoke to the police.

He was sent to Rampton high security hospital but doctors were unable to find anything wrong with his mental state and he was returned to prison. In April this year his lawyers sent a statement to the Crown in which Huntley denied any involvement at all in the girls' deaths. It was only two weeks before the trial started that he finally admitted they had died in his house.

[HeadHunter]

hope the ****er gets set apon by a big boy names bubu

[sphericthor]

Even worse is that Maxine Carr might be out of jail within 30 days with one of those tag thingys, because she has already been in custody for 18 months

[HeadHunter]

she will have her identy changed then changed a week later when the whole world comes after her

[smokiechimp]

They Both Should Die, As Simple As That.


As for MJ, I realy feel sorry for him, he has emotional issues after his crappy childhood and I realy think the guy is being manipulated and picked on because he is different. Don't persecute someone just because they are different, It's just another form of racism and I hate that. I feel for the guy.

[LadyFireFly]

One in 100 May Get Travel Blood Clots, Study Shows

LONDON (Reuters) - Up to one in 100 long-haul fliers could develop blood clots, and wearing compression stockings, taking aspirin and traveling business class may not help, a study showed Friday.

New Zealand researchers tested almost 900 passengers who took long-haul flights over a six-week period. The subjects traveled for at least 10 hours and each flew an average of 39 hours.

They discovered nine cases -- four of pulmonary embolism and five of deep vein thrombosis (DVT), which involves the formation of blood clots which can cause death if they invade the lungs or brain.

Seventeen percent of the passengers in the study by the Medical Research Institute of New Zealand wore compression stockings to aid circulation. Thirty-one percent took aspirin to thin the blood and reduce the risk of thrombosis.

The team, whose report was carried in The Lancet medical journal, said all air travelers were at risk, not just those in economy class.

"As a result, our findings lend support to the recommendation that the term 'economy class syndrome' should be avoided with the disorder renamed 'traveler's thrombosis."'

The New Zealand team concluded that their findings may err on the side of conservative estimates.

During recent court action, victims have blamed cramped aircraft cabins for their blood clots and argued that airlines have known of the risks for years but failed to warn people.

But a British court agreed with the airlines, which claimed that DVT was not an accident under the 1929 Warsaw Convention that governs international air travel.

DVT made international headlines and airlines came under pressure to do more to prevent the condition after a 28-year-old British woman died from the condition about three years ago after a 20-hour flight from Australia to London.

[Dogbert0228]

http://www.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/meast/12/26/iran.quake/index.html

This is just one of those things... I don't even know what to think... I mean, Iran is part of our 'Axis of Evil,' aren't they? Is this a good thing for the U.S.? I can't see how it's ever a good thing when 1000's die in a natural disaster, no matter where it happens... But now the question has been raised whether or not to offer disaster relief...

I say yes. You can't blame the people, especially in a country run by fundamentalists, for the government's actions... Over 5000, 1/2 of all houses destroyed, and both hospitals destroyed... I hope we can see the entire world rally behind humanitarian efforts here... Anything less than complete support (despite our own national and international problems at the moment) would be cruel and selfish...

I'm going to pray for the Iranians affected by this tragedy, and ask everyone else to do the same... And the people killed in the CA mudslides, and just all the other horrible things we seem presented with on a daily basis...