Whats going on in Harry's Mind? (SPOILERS) [Archive]

eclipsedman

08-09-2003, 06:12 PM

In all the books we have a look into Harrys mind. His feeling about whats happened to him, his dealings with his family. There are too many things happening to him and some times his anger comes out, hatred for others, feelings of revenge, remorse, sadness. We now know that Voldemort has been probing his mind and harry has been within others. Even certain objects seem to go into the thoughts of others, the pensieve which holds a persons thoughts and memorys. Will Harry turn to the dark side like Anikin in SW, remember he tried to do a unforgiveable curse on Bellatrix. Is starting to turn that direction, and what are the implications on his mind coming from his dealing with cedrics and Sirius death(started to see the Cestrals??). If you about the mind and how it works ( the umdila Umbligatta ) and its effects on consciousness and the like. What will the effects have on him? \
DISCUSS

MidgetNazgul2

08-09-2003, 07:12 PM

Ooooh. Nice and dark, just the way I like it.

I think Harry will definitely start heading down the Dark path, but something will make him go back in the end to defeat Voldy. His temper is getting a lot worse, and could cause a rift in the three friends.

How far do you think he'll go down the Dark path?

overagain

08-09-2003, 07:17 PM

i don't even think that much in a day, not to mention 1 post, but you do make an excellent point, his attitude is getting viscious, almost like voldemorts except not dark

starphoenix

08-09-2003, 08:23 PM

i think maybe he might head down that path a bit, but only because of his loses, i mean, he's good at heart, in my opinion. the only reason he used the crustacius curse was because of Sirius.... revenge.... he wanted to lose his pain and he probably thought that giving her pain was how to do it.... and you heard what she said, 'it doesn't work unless you truly want too cause pain' (or something along those lines)..... so really, he wanted to have revenge but he's too good for that. that's why it didn't work!

overagain

08-09-2003, 08:26 PM

an even better point

Queen Me

08-09-2003, 08:27 PM

I don't think he'll go down the dark path...well, not that far, at least. He'll probly start to then say, "Wait a minute, Dark wizards killed my parents and godfather, why do i want to be like them?"

muggle88

08-10-2003, 12:08 AM

That is a good point.
But i kind of wish that i could talk to JK Rowling to figure out what her plans are and how many other people are going to die. I think that in the next few years in the book, i think that Prof. Dumbledore will die of old age or maybe protecting Harry from Vold.

WELL write and tell me your opinion.....

eclipsedman

08-10-2003, 02:58 AM

I think harry using the Cruciatus curse has a bigger meaning than you may think. When he did use it seemed like a very important point in the book, same as when Sirius goes through the "vail". When Harry used that curse it made me think of Anakin slaughtering the tusken raiders in SW AOTC. I think it is a point where Harry may have a slight leaning toward the Dark side.

redman

08-10-2003, 04:52 AM

i think that when harry encounters voldermort, that he is so overwhelmed by vengence that he dosent realise that he is trodding down the dark path.

Iben

08-10-2003, 08:06 AM

I wonder what consequences it will have for Harry that he did an unforgivable curse...

starphoenix

08-10-2003, 05:12 PM

i don't think that it'll have any...... i mean, who would know other then bellatrix? but maybe.... who knows....

elipsedman had a good theory, but i dunno.... i'm still pretty skeptical of the whole idea, i mean, i know he used the curse on her out of revenge, like anakin, but i stil argue that he didn't really mean it... that's why it didn't hurt bellatrix much....... anakin, however, wanted to.... you could see it in his eyes. he wanted the blood.

eclipsedman

08-10-2003, 05:40 PM

It was said earlier in the books that anyone using a unforgivable curse that they will be sent to Azkaban. I think he might get into trouble which may cause his anger towards the Ministry of Magic his really take hold of him. For some strange reason I keep thinking of Emperor Palpatine being Voldemrt at the end of SW TESB where he battles with Luke and Anakin( Darth Vader ) comes back to help Luke. I wonder if someone may play a big part in helpiung Harry beat Voldemort in the end, possibly having a change of heart ( coming back from the dark side ).

big_boy_01

08-10-2003, 06:04 PM

i think that in the ootp harry has got kind of vicious in the way he speaks and acts he seemed alot more rude well maybe becuase of what happened in the previous book with diggorys death and everthing but he just seems a bit diffrent in this book who knows all the tables could turn for harry !

MidgetNazgul2

08-10-2003, 06:56 PM

Originally posted by eclipsedman
I wonder if someone may play a big part in helpiung Harry beat Voldemort in the end, possibly having a change of heart ( coming back from the dark side ).

PETTIGREW!!!! :)

And whoever mentioned Harry turning because of his losses, I think what will really take him dow the farthest is if one of the two friends die. I can just see one of them going down in some horribly sad and dramatic way...maybe that's just me.

overagain

08-10-2003, 07:26 PM

i don't think Pettigrew would have the nerve to help Harry, he went with voldy because i thought dumbledore would loose, or because he was too weak to fight... i can't remember.

i was wondering why harry would go to the dark side after hje lost so many important people to him because of it, why would he join them?

oh and about the Cruciatus curse, he didn't really perform it, he said the words, but it didn't really have an effect.

just my thoughts

MidgetNazgul2

08-10-2003, 10:10 PM

When Harry used the Cruciatus Curse, he used rightous (sp?) anger to attack Bellatrix, so that would say something too, wouldn't it?

redman

08-10-2003, 10:22 PM

Originally posted by overagain
i don't think Pettigrew would have the nerve to help Harry, he went with voldy because i thought dumbledore would loose, or because he was too weak to fight... i can't remember.

i was wondering why harry would go to the dark side after hje lost so many important people to him because of it, why would he join them?

oh and about the Cruciatus curse, he didn't really perform it, he said the words, but it didn't really have an effect.

just my thoughts

But IMO trying to perform the cruciatus curse is like commiting attempted murder.

starphoenix

08-11-2003, 07:17 PM

yeah, i guess he didn't really perform it..... as bellatrix said.... maybe you have to mean it to be punished for it? time will tell.....

MidgetNazgul2

08-11-2003, 07:45 PM

But waht about the fact he used RIGHTOUS (again, sp?) anger to attack her with the Cruciatus Curse...what do you think that means??

starphoenix

08-11-2003, 07:55 PM

i think that maybe.... maybe instead it being so extreme, like, because it was Righteous, but he did mean it, maybe he won't be punished that bad.... maybe instead of being sent to azkaban for life it'll be for a few weeks or something..... i'm not sure.....

MidgetNazgul2

08-11-2003, 07:59 PM

r-i-g-h-t-E-o-u-s. Aaaaah, I thank you. I hate spelling things wrong...

I don't think he will be punished at all, thanks to Dumbledore...yet again.

eclipsedman

08-11-2003, 11:16 PM

Harry going to Azkaban would be a good beginning or part of the 6th book.

redman

08-12-2003, 03:41 AM

Originally posted by eclipsedman
Harry going to Azkaban would be a good beginning or part of the 6th book.

i doubt it'll happen but it would be good to read an in depth description of azkaban.

eclipsedman

08-12-2003, 03:02 PM

My thoughts exactly. KJ needs to put some new chapters inside Azkaban, the Death Eaters hideout would be good too. I am tired of the same old thing. IMO GOF and OOTP were the some of the best books because they yake you too some different places besides just Hogwarts.

overagain

08-12-2003, 04:11 PM

I read "Memories", the story mentioned in starpheonix's quote, it's pretty good, you(anyone who reads this) should read it

MidgetNazgul2

08-12-2003, 06:23 PM

....?

eclipsedman

08-12-2003, 11:45 PM

Harry used righteous anger to use the Unforgivable curse, do you guys understand the word UNFORGIVABLE? I think something should happen to Harry, it would be the first time he would have to really pay for something he did wrong.

Mobycat

08-13-2003, 08:39 AM

Originally posted by eclipsedman
Harry used righteous anger to use the Unforgivable curse, do you guys understand the word UNFORGIVABLE? I think something should happen to Harry, it would be the first time he would have to really pay for something he did wrong.

There has to be some instances where it wouldn't get punishment (at least not as much punishment).

Same thing happens in the real world - crimes of passion. Generally, they get a slap on the wrist for those.

Then again, I don't think there were any witnesses (of course, it probably wouldn't matter - they knew things happened at Privet Drive)

MidgetNazgul2

08-13-2003, 09:16 PM

Yeah, but the stuff that happened at Privet Drive were during the summer...whoever watches the students over the summer wouldn't be witnessing Harry's use of the Cruciatus Curse...I don't think anyone will find out, unless Harry tells Ron and Hermione, which I highly doubt he would do...can you imagine how those two would react?!

starphoenix

08-13-2003, 09:26 PM

i dunno.... i don't really think anything is gunna become of it... i mean, i wouldn't be surprised if she never mentioned it again, come to think of it..... but say it does come up, azkaban won't be the same anymore anyway, cuz remember, dumbledore had fudge take the dementors away.... i dunno if there is even an azkaban anymore....

MidgetNazgul2

08-13-2003, 09:40 PM

they wouldn't put Harry in Azkaban. Dumbledore wouldn't let them, and Mrs. Weasley would probably curse anyone who threatened Harry with it over so badly they wouldn't know their head from their bum ;)

eclipsedman

08-13-2003, 11:34 PM

Theres no more Azkaban? What the hell. Have you even read tthe OOTP yet Starphoenix. If I remember correctly some of the death eaters will be going there, Dracos father was one of them. OK so Harry may not go to Azkaban but I think he will get meaner, and more angry, possibly becoming like his father. Now that I think of it Harry may take it out on Draco like his dad did to Snape.