*******'s death

[overagain]

was it just me, or did any one else act rather emotional to the death of a certain person? I was thrown into some sort of depression after the fifth book, and am very upset that there is no sixth book to focus on and bring me out. does anyone else feel the same way? and i already know i focus way to much on books.

[Queen Me]

Yeah, not me really, but my friends sisiter cried...
and next time, write "SPOILER!!!!!!!!!!!" in front of it, so ppl that havent read will no not to look x.x

:D

[overagain]

oops i forgot, every one forget who dies!

[Queen Me]

lmao....wow lol :p

[_manuel_]

EDIT YOUR POST.
Some people havent finished the book. And there is also no chance that he will come back. There have been endless threads about it already:rolleyes:

[Queen Me]

yeh huh! he HAS to come back! HE HAS TO! PLEASE MANUEL?! CAN HE COME BACK?! -pulls on your leg-
:p

[Boods]

i think he is dead and wont come back but who knows ...

[Evy]

AAAAAA! I'm on book 4 you guys! :(
Yea spoiler beside the title would help

[Queen Me]

oo0ps...

[Evy]

I'll try to remember about this thread...not to come here until finished book 5

[overagain]

well i guess you know wut happens though don't you? that happened to me, my friend told me about it, and after i read the third book i didn't want to read the fifth. i know i make no sense!

i know this was on another thread, but if you read the 5th book, didn't harry's attitude annoy anyone?

[Evy]

OMG, i was talking to one of my friends about HP and she told me she STOPED reading the 5th book cuz Harry annoyed her! hehe

[Evy]

ohh and someone needs to vote, there is a three-way tie

[LOTRfan]

fixed it:D

[MidgetNazgul2]

There's no WAY he can come back... I think that the death will be very significant to both of the last books. Still...I wish that he could...*snif*

[redman]

Originally posted by Evy
AAAAAA! I'm on book 4 you guys! :(
Yea spoiler beside the title would help

Evy how could u only be on book 4? And how could u enter this HP forum and remain spoiler free?

[Evy]

she forgot to mention this was a spoiler... But I'm reading I'm reading

[Evy]

"Spolier" wasn't infront of her name b4, so don't think i can't read lol

[redman]

lol:)

[_manuel_]

Originally posted by Evy
AAAAAA! I'm on book 4 you guys! :(
Yea spoiler beside the title would help

You didnt see who it was did you? Because earlier it was the name of the thread

[Laterose]

*grins from her position infront of her computer*
do want me to tell you what I think? :D

[Evy]

about what?

[Laterose]

whether Sirius will come back?

[Evy]

Originally posted by _manuel_
You didnt see who it was did you? Because earlier it was the name of the thread
Sirus, cuz of the poll

[Evy]

I'm guessing he will, even though I don't know what happened to him - how he died. I mean it's bad enough Harry doens't have his parents JKR doesn't have to take Sirus as well!

[Laterose]

let me just say this, the title of a song:
love will lead you back

[Evy]

ok so he's coming back
I really should get reading!

[Laterose]

possibly, but I don't know for sure.

[Evy]

So how many books have you written?

[Laterose]

myself? I've finished two, but I'm starting a third one and I've found the draft of one I've written years ago but just didn't finish

[Evy]

are you going to finish it?

[Evy]

what are the titles of your first two books?

[Laterose]

not telling. Besides, they're not published.

[Evy]

Ohh, so it's a secret? Why, do you think i'll go and try to write books with the same titles?

[Evy]

Emphesis on "TRY" lol

[Queen Me]

hehe...i like writing. Tis fun. Maybe ill write a book sometime in twdce future :D

[Queen Me]

How long are your books, laterose?

[Evy]

I bet they're long, I wonder what they're about, like what genre?

[Queen Me]

maybe...murder! YAY! Thats the best genre...

:p

[Queen Me]

I didn't get the whole veil thing... hehe im stupid! Weee

[Evy]

veil thing?

[Queen Me]

It's in the 5th book.

NEW SIG!

[Evy]

ohh

[Queen Me]

:p

[Tim37ninjageniu]

He won't come back.

[Queen Me]

But he has to!

[Mobycat]

If he does, it will be either as a memory (in a dream or the like) or in the mirror of erised (whatever happened to it, I wonder?).

[Queen Me]

hm...

Did you ever notice that erised is desire spelled backwards?

[Laterose]

Originally posted by Evy
I bet they're long, I wonder what they're about, like what genre?
one's a fantasy, the one I didn't finish was a fantasy that had character from other stories "guest starring", the second one was a science fiction/fantasy/romance and the one I'm starting is a historical mystery.

[Evy]

ohh, awesome! Diff. genres
well when they get published I'll read them :)

[Evy]

Have you published any of them?

[Laterose]

no

[Evy]

do you plan to publish any of them?

[Laterose]

one day

[Evy]

ohh, that's good

[Laterose]

yeah

[Evy]

is writing what you do as a career?

[Laterose]

I'm actually still in school, but it's one of my options

[Evy]

ohh, wow
like University/college right?

[Laterose]

I'm not telling....I like my privacy...

[hpk37067]

If they get published.......................:D Personally, my friend thinks he's a hotshot because he wrote a 35 page story. I read it and it was crap. Basically it was Star Wars except on Earth and not involving aliens. It was very sad.

[LOTRfan]

Wow...even to your real friends you are mean. Is your friend your age? If so, writing a 35 page story about anything at 14 is a huge accomplishment.

[Sunflower]

I don't think he'll come back..that would not fit at all.. but, I too, found it bad he died, because now Harry has again lost a very important person in his life.

[hpk37067]

Originally posted by LOTRfan
Wow...even to your real friends you are mean. Is your firend your age? If so, writing a 35 page story about anything at 14 is a huge accomplishment.

He's my age, but a poser. He just thinks he can write. He has no creativity whatsoever. I have this friend who's a girl and she has like ready to publish material. Even the teachers are crazy about her.

[overagain]

Welcome to the board Sunflower

[_manuel_]

Originally posted by LOTRfan
Wow...even to your real friends you are mean. Is your firend your age? If so, writing a 35 page story about anything at 14 is a huge accomplishment.

Calm down my friend. You must focus that anger on the LOTR Spammers, for it has long been said that soon there will be war......

*walks off mumbling nonsense*



EDIT: I just realised that sounded a bit like spam as well. Which is wrong, so:

Hey Laterose, why dont you post some of your stuff on the Fanfiction area? That way we could see it, nobody would make fun of you (and if they did, well meh, its only the internet) and hey, who knows who could be reading? you might get your lucky break.....

[Seraph333]

I dont think Sirius will come back because J.K wouldn't cry when she killed off Sirius if he were to come back.

[_manuel_]

Originally posted by Seraph333
I dont think Sirius will come back because J.K wouldn't cry when she killed off Sirius if he were to come back.

I dont think that she cried. I think that was just a publicity stunt. However, I hope that he wont come back, except in the way that mobycat said. That would be pretty amazing, and believable (As believable as harry potter can get, anyway) .

[overagain]

hey _manuel_, i like ur quote, very nice ;), about the lotr thing(sry to go off topic) but we should pride ourselves with having much more patience and understanding than them. they come onhere and argue with us about being fans of books which "cannot be compared to lotr, for the literature is not equal, nor will the standards lotr has set be equalled" and we have listened....

and i'm crazy, and need some SERIOUS help

[hpk37067]

Bud, no matter how you say it, LOTR was original, and HP just twisted everything. LOTR is probably the first and most well thought out book. You just can't diss things like that.

[overagain]

i wasn't dissing lotr, just to clarify, i was just raving on because i had to much sugar. i have no idea why people always compare hp and lotr, is it because they're both popular adventer/fantasy series?

[Blizzardman15]

Well at the end, Nicholas says that he most likely will not choose to stay on earth as he did, but, there is still a chance that sirius would want to be there to see Harry through his toughest years coming up.

[_manuel_]

Originally posted by overagain
i wasn't dissing lotr, just to clarify, i was just raving on because i had to much sugar. i have no idea why people always compare hp and lotr, is it because they're both popular adventer/fantasy series?

If you look closely, there are lots of similarities between the two. I think that LOTR was one of the biggest inspirations for Rowling.

[Laterose]

I honestly think you shouldn't compare them.

[Slipknot]

he might find some way to get back.

[Laterose]

if there's any way, Sirius will come back

[LOTRfan]

Originally posted by _manuel_
Hey Laterose, why dont you post some of your stuff on the Fanfiction area? That way we could see it, nobody would make fun of you (and if they did, well meh, its only the internet) and hey, who knows who could be reading? you might get your lucky break.....
Laterose, close your ears! (or eyes;) ) That's actually a very bad idea. I've heard about people who take ideas from unsuspecting posters online. Don't let them get rich off your hard work! And it would be virtually impossible to prove you had thought of it first...not a successful lawsuit.

[redman]

Originally posted by LOTRfan
Laterose, close your ears! (or eyes;) ) That's actually a very bad idea. I've heard about people who take ideas from unsuspecting posters online. Don't let them get rich off your hard work! And it would be virtually impossible to prove you had thought of it first...not a successful lawsuit.

yeah i agree LOTRfan. It was good intentions manuel but not a smart choice if laterose ends up writing something really good.

[Laterose]

I never really post much of my stories online anyway. But if you search under Fanfiction I think I wrote something called Star Wars Freaks Anonymous....

[LOTRfan]

I had read this clue to Sirius's death on mugglenet. This is what it says: "On Harry's first night at Grimmauld Place, the entire house sits down to dinner. In total, 13 of them eat together. According to Trelawney in PoA, when 13 people dine together, the first one to rise is the first to die. No prizes for guessing who rises first here: 'Sirius started to rise from his chair.'"
Remember in POA how Ron and Harry got up from the 13 at the table at Christmas? Neither of them know who rose first. I think this means that one of them will without a doubt die before the series is over. J.K. wouldn't make this superstition come true only part of the time.

[BaMBbLeS]

Maybe both of them will die? Dun Dun DUN! :)

[LOTRfan]

I have been thinking that....if both of them rose at the exact same moment....no way to know for sure. But if it was at the same time wouldn't there only have been 11 ppl left sitting? So maybe it wouldn't apply?:confused: Like they acted as "one." I have no idea.

[hpk37067]

What about Scabbers? Was he with Ron?

[redman]

Originally posted by LOTRfan
I have been thinking that....if both of them rose at the exact same moment....no way to know for sure. But if it was at the same time wouldn't there only have been 11 ppl left sitting? So maybe it wouldn't apply?:confused: Like they acted as "one." I have no idea.

maybe they just cancelled eachother out so no one dies. I hope so.

[LOTRfan]

Originally posted by hpk37067
What about Scabbers? Was he with Ron?
interesting....that would make it 14 so it wouldn't apply at all. i'll have to check on that.

[hpk37067]

Yeah, that's what I was thinking. I'm thinking Ron could have had him in his pocket to protect him from Crookshanks so it doesn't really matter.

[eclipsedman]

I never thought of this but in a way Sirius was like Jesus at the last supper. Jesus had 12 disciples. I can see Sirius as a christ figure. Whos to say he won't rise again??

[Mobycat]

Originally posted by eclipsedman
Whos to say he won't rise again??

Me. :D

(At least not in human form)

[tomoyo_angel21]

Well, I must say that Dumbledore told Harry (or was it Lupin) that the dead cannot be brought back to life.... So I guess that's the end for Sirius, but maybe he can become Harry's patronus(as a silhoutte of a black dog), now that he's mastered the Patronus Charm.... who knows?? :)

[overagain]

maybe he would have two patronuses (very strong) a stag and dog, that come out at the same time

[elvishfurby]

Mama, you must understand, no matter your pain, no matter your sorrow, he is dead...

JKR said on Dateline that a major character was going to die in book 5. She did not say a major character was going to disappear or vanish from the face of the earth or what have you in book 5.

Dead=dead dead is not life, and only until the end of eternity will the both live together.

[LOTRfan]

so true

[hpk37067]

Originally posted by overagain
maybe he would have two patronuses (very strong) a stag and dog, that come out at the same time

I laugh at the thought.

[_manuel_]

Originally posted by LOTRfan
Laterose, close your ears! (or eyes;) ) That's actually a very bad idea. I've heard about people who take ideas from unsuspecting posters online. Don't let them get rich off your hard work! And it would be virtually impossible to prove you had thought of it first...not a successful lawsuit.

Well you could always get a copyright...

[overagain]

Originally posted by elvishfurby
Mama, you must understand, no matter your pain, no matter your sorrow, he is dead...

JKR said on Dateline that a major character was going to die in book 5. She did not say a major character was going to disappear or vanish from the face of the earth or what have you in book 5.

Dead=dead dead is not life, and only until the end of eternity will the both live together.

Sorry, I was wrong to have hope:rolleyes:

[elvishfurby]

Originally posted by overagain
Sorry, I was wrong to have hope:rolleyes:

I feel bad for letting down your hope, but I mean, do not set yourself up for sorrow such as Harry did when he ran to ask Nearless about the ghosts.

(Read the following if you do NOT love Sirius)

Besides, I hate Sirius. I am glad he died. Him and James are total jerks and idiots!

[LOTRfan]

You heartless monster!!!!!!!! What do you have against him? You can't expect him to be perfect, hide his temper, and be all-forgiving. After all, he was locked up innocently with the most hated, dreadful creatures in the world (HP world, of course) for 12 long years...almost sucking out his will to live. He's had a pretty crappy life, what with everyone thinking he killed Harry's parents, Pettgrew, and 12 by-standing muggles and all. I think of all people he has the right to be a little angry at times.

(and I appreciate the warning for those who love Sirius as do I)

[hpk37067]

I don't like Sirius. He seems like an almost too perfect character. I know that he has flaws and all, but I really hate him because he seems too.....................I don't know. And a good person would control his temper and think before acting. He relies too heavily on impulses, the reason that got him killed.

[LOTRfan]

Originally posted by hpk37067
And a good person would control his temper and think before acting. He relies too heavily on impulses, the reason that got him killed.

sounds just like harry. Guess you don't like him either...;)

And I'm just curious: what guys like Sirius? Maybe it's that kind of thing....most girls I know were soo upset he died and the only ones that could care less were guys...they didn't seem to like him too much.

[hpk37067]

Nope. Don't like Harry either. Worst literary hero ever. Poorly designed.

[overagain]

it's cause he's handsome(as they say in the book)

[hpk37067]

Who? Sirius or Harry? Because then that defeats the point of me reading this series.

[overagain]

[i]And I'm just curious: what guys like Sirius? Maybe it's that kind of thing....most girls I know were soo upset he died and the only ones that could care less were guys...they didn't seem to like him too much. [/B]

in my post up there this is wut i was refering to

[hpk37067]

I think it's just the ladies liking the supposed handsome people in the series. Very disappointing.

[overagain]

so you wouldn't read the books if girls found harry attractive

i personally don't but wutever toots ur horn

[overagain]

yes sirius' character wasn't always attractive (personality)

[hpk37067]

They already do find Harry attractive, in the movies. But since I know some of the plot, I need to finish the book.

[overagain]

physically attractive, ya can't do much wit that.
do u mean u havn't finished ootp? or some other book?

[hpk37067]

No, I'm just saying that once I start, I have to finish the series and be satisfied with the conclusion.

[overagain]

now i get it, it's so easily to misunderstand ppl when they type.

[hpk37067]

That's true.

[LOTRfan]

Hey I like Harry, and I guess because I like him I find him attractive....even though J.K. never says a word that would make you think his appearance is. She actually makes him seem like he'd be quite ugly...but I disagree...he's gorgeous! And about Sirius being handsome, overagain, I guess that could be a possible reason... but I liked Sirius before the change came over his face and he was desribed as "almost handsome when he smiled." It was impossible not to like him, Harry worshipped him so I had to as well. And his personality was adorable...and all the references to dogs was cute- barklike laugh and such.

[hpk37067]

You don't have to like someone to find them attractive. It could be instinct.

[Laterose]

True...ah! You're the grim reaper :D

[hpk37067]

I am. When I get a custom title, that'll be my name.

[Laterose]

congrats hpk

[hpk37067]

Thank you.

[Mobycat]

I take it you get a custom title after 3000 posts?

Guess I'll make it there in, oh....around 10 years.

[hpk37067]

Yep, after 3000 posts. And you'll get there, eventually. If you post as much as I do.

[Bambi]

Well, when I read that Sirius dies, I threw teh book across the room, then burst out crying and called a couple friends to share my grief (them saying it's only a book wasn't the right answer). Then I had nightmares and felt really lousy for a week. I also had to take some days off from work because of high fever- this trauma might have contributed, but I can't be sure ;). And because of this very unfair treatment of Sirius by JKR, I am now prejudiced againts the whole series a bit- it just makes me feel uncomfortable and took some joy out of reading the book. Well, I just think that treating this character so unfairly was a bit of a construction error on the part of JKR. I hope she does something about it and doesn't just drop him off like that- myaybe at least some sort of a message from the other world that he is finally happy, reunited with his friends, or something.
We, Sirius lovers, should stand united, so cheers to all of you out there!
And of course, I understand and respect all those who hate the character.

[hpk37067]

Wow. That's a sad story. I feel sorry for you and your obsession.

[Bambi]

Of course, I don't treat that quite that siriusly ;), but still, it was very unpleasant.

[LOTRfan]

don't worry, I feel the same. Well, maybe not that much... hehe;) But most people (anyone with a heart, at least) was upset about J.K.'s choice of victim....and only a few choice males *ahem, hpk and elvishfurby*on these boards disliked Sirius.

[hpk37067]

Hey, I have a heart. And yet I felt giddy about the whole death. Sirius was an abomination on the HP series. He needed to go.

[AkDrifter]

My surprise in the whole thing is I really never considered Sirius a main character. So all the talk about killing off a main character throw me abit ... I like the character and all looking forward to seeing how POA turns out. but he is/was always background after POA.

I think she intended to kill off a major character and changed her mind at the end...

Ricky

[hpk37067]

I think she considered Sirius a main character because he was really close to HP.

[AkDrifter]

probably ...

Ricky

[hpk37067]

No doubt.

[Bambi]

Thanks, LOTRfan, for your sympathy! I think teh main reason people are drawn to Sirius (and Lupin) characters is that he really is a tragic, romantic hero in a classical sense. Too bad JK chose to make him that tragic... Although I personally think that we will hear about him again. Sadly, I now think he is dead but then the boundary between life and death isn't tight in HP. And since JK said his death was essential to the plot, I see possible a few explanations:
1. The death of the father-brother substitute makes Harry determined to choose a path he wouldn't have otherwise chosen (not going over to the Dark Side, but we have seen him using an unforgivable curse, so he has some potential here) to revenge himself.
2. The grief releases Harry's true power of of love & empathy and this leads him to defeat Voldemort.
3. Voldemort or his supporters manipulate Harry again into believing the dead can be brought back (would Harry fall for the trick again? Probably not, and this time it may have been the real thing). I also believe Harry would try to restrain his 'heroic' attempts, and either it would bring about a great harm, if he manages to do so, or if if he just goes ahead and plays hero again, he might succeed, which proves that one should follow one's heart.
3. Sirius's ghost tells Harry how to defeat Voldemort (I have seen something like that in classical mythology, I think) or gives some other important information. This is the one I find most likely.
I also find it plausible that Harry may cross over to the other side where his meets all his loved ones but comes back to complete his mission.

[LOTRfan]

Pretty good theories. I agree mostly with all of them, except for # 4. And I hope Harry wouldn't be stupid enough to fall for #3 again.

(Bambi, you put two #3's by accident so when I refer to "4" I mean the fourth theory down)

[hpk37067]

A ghost would be terrible. And doubts?

[LOTRfan]

that would suck....that's why J.K. made it completely clear that it isn't possible through the ending of OOTP.

[hpk37067]

So true LOTRfan.

[Laterose]

*starts humming "If you could read my mind"* :D

Watch LOTR 1 around Boromior's death. Something about that scene I think deals with HP

[LOTRfan]

arghhh....so frustrating, but I will watch it anyway...:D Now is it during his death scene, like when Aragorn is talking to him? Cuz if so I think I may not what you are getting at....

[Angelixx]

omg i know i like went into depression after i read the death i couldnt belive it i was like in denial.

*a certain person** was my favourite character in the entire series i mean i would have been ok if it was ahrry who died lmao but not *** a certain person** lol

well ne wayz ** a certain person** better come back like with the time turner or sumtin

[hpk37067]

I don't think Harry could have died in this book, considering the series is named for him and he's the main character.

[Bambi]

In LOTR, Boromir dies. Then Faramir sees his dead body (or its vision) carried on the river in an elven boat. How does that relate to HP??!??? I am very curious...

[hpk37067]

I think it's the way he dies rather than what actually happened. I think it relates to Snape but that's just me.

[Bambi]

????

[hpk37067]

Think about it. Boromir is like an anti-hero. Not really a villian, actually a hero but falls prey to evil. Snape is obviously a good person but an anti-hero. I think that Snape will die to save Harry like Boromir died to save the hobbits. I think this would suck eggs.

[Bambi]

Yes- a likely theory that has been brought up before. I would also think that there is a good chance he will turn/ appear to turn to the Dark side. And Wormtail. too, may very well meet a similar fate (dying to protect Harry).

[hpk37067]

Yeah. I'm losing interest in HP now for some reason. I find it a mind rotting book now. Because it's so predictable and JKR has destroyed the series.