The KID

[NeoVsYoda]

In previous bits of information that I had heard before about revolutions, it states that the KID..( I think the one who gave Neo the spoon in reloaded) is going to have a bigger role to play in the 3rd installment of the matrix.


Any theories how this is going to be so?

:eek:

[The Elf King]

You sure that there not speaking about (Kidds Story) in the Animatrix, where a school kids seems to think he was safed by Neo.

[dogisburning]

What I've heard is that both spoon boy and the annoying kid has big roles in Revolutions...but it's just a rumor.

[redpill]

The KID Animatrix was prity cool

[freakyplatypus]

I dunno how he'll be important, but it is amazing that he "woke up" in the real world by himself.

[G-Matrix]

should I start with the kid's theory freaky or u first?

[freakyplatypus]

doesn't matter... go ahead. Just copy and paste.

[G-Matrix]

first they say the kid might be the original one, then that the kid would be the cause of why the oracle loose his shell, the others r in older threads look for them

[Ghostofzion2003]

yep he fights in a mech for like 15 minutes and then dies the end.

[G-Matrix]

quite a spoiler if it's true!!!

[dogisburning]

I've seen a theory where they say the kid is the one that saves zion by massacring the sentinals with those mech things.

[necronon99]

that kid has to be important if an entire animatrix cartoon was made for him

if not
boo

[superxero88]

the kid could be vital to the story. i highly suspect he is.

[NeoVsYoda]

I just hope the role that is played by the kid fits in well with the story

[spiderman_2k]

And also DIK...is KID spelt backwards...:p..Sorry thats my immature post out of the way for the day...:D

[G-Matrix]

an also is important as someone said becouse he is the only one who had freed himself without the help of a red pill ...

[superxero88]

Originally posted by G-Matrix
an also is important as someone said becouse he is the only one who had freed himself without the help of a red pill ...
does this have to do with what Morpheus said in the first "someone born inside the matrix...who freed the first of us" or something like that?

[G-Matrix]

maybe, this was discuss, they said the kid might be the actual "one" coz he selfsubsanated himself from the matrix, and as u said Morpheus said in the first "someone born inside the matrix...who freed the first of us". But it's just a theory..we'll have to wait till november, but we can't denied the kid might have an important role in the end of this story

[freakyplatypus]

Originally posted by superxero88
does this have to do with what Morpheus said in the first "someone born inside the matrix...who freed the first of us" or something like that?

Then how the hell would he be younger than Morpheus???

[freakyplatypus]

The whole KID/former one theory is a buncha bullcrap. Maybe future one.... but former one??? C'mon!

[terarist]

or maybe the present one.

My opinions and suspicions are continually being altered, and this kid is paramount to those alterations.

We've been told that the "one" is a construction of the machines, an engineered ocurrence. It would seem that if you were to create a superhuman "one" that you would have a failsafe method for releasing/unplugging them should conventional means fail, like self substantiation. This could be the difference between hinduism and buddhism, where enlightened beings grow within the world, until they learn enlightenment, and they appear relatively regularly (once every hundred years or so?), whereas the avatar of shiva suddenly awakens, of his/her own accord, not as a product of learning but as a product of design, and destiny (they are the manifestation of god, and they cannot help but be what they are) and they appear much more rarely.

now i'm just thinking out loud.
I think it's significant that the kid self substantiated, that he found himself an exit, rather than someone else having to show him the path. he already knew where it was. He's going to do something, but it's not going to be anything so trivial as a James Cameron aliens double take...

[dogisburning]

The kid being the former One is impossible,Neo freed him in the Animatrix.But being the True present One is not a deniable theory.

[NeoVsYoda]

I havent seen the Animatrix episode about the KID...What exactly happened?

[jorich]

The Kid being the present ONE would be a stretch mainly because the majority of folks who saw Reloaded have not seen The Animatrix. For the entire trilogy to suddenly shift focus onto the Kid as being The One in Revolutions would cause a whole lot of folks to leave the movie theater shaking their head, i.e "Who the hell is that kid? Why the hell was he suddenly The One?". I just don't see Revolutions as having enough time as explaining the Kid as being The One instead of Neo. It's a "cool" theory for those who have seen the Animatrix, but it would kill the legitimacy of the trilogy due to lack of continuity and explanation when viewing the films by themselves.

[dogisburning]

Originally posted by G-Matrix
an also is important as someone said becouse he is the only one who had freed himself without the help of a red pill ...
I thought that the red pill was merly a tracking device.Wasn't the mirror with the cold silver stuff the thing that makes you wake up?

[terarist]

well, ultimately everything on this message board is a bit hyperbolic, since it's the nature of fandom, and speculative debate.

And ultimately the entire trilogy doesn't have to shift onto the kid, should the kid indeed turn out to be the "one". Ultimately the movies aren't about the "one", they're a journey, neo's journey. If you're disappointed because at the end of it all the man who's journey we'd been following was anything less than a saviour, then you're missing out on some great catharsis.

And ultimately, the kid being the actual one, doesn't necessitate a huge plot development, where the course of the third movie entirely alters to his story. They could simply show him a few times within zion, fighting the machines, along with everyone else, just to remind the audience he still exists. And the big reveal where he might be presented as the "actual" one, could be something as simple as a 35 second shot that shows something very simple but very powerful. It could be anything. But if the brothers w. have proven anything, they aren't afraid to throw something in, at the last minute to make the audience question what it was they actually just saw, ie: the architect...

[jorich]

A 35-second shot revealing the true identity/power of The One? I tend to disagree with you on the lack of importance you place on the concept of The One versus the importance of the entire journey. The journey is substantiated by The One... the journey cannot happen without The One. They are intertwined and interwoven - one and the same. By definition, I personally believe catharsis can only come about because of The One. Perhaps a matter of individual beliefs, but nonetheless, most religious models point towards salvation through an individual or a single idea. Personally, if the third installment suddenly shifts the idea of The One towards The Kid - or any side character for that matter - I might be led to label the trilogy as nothing more than a steroid-enhanced version of Monty Python's Life of Brian.

[terarist]

Here's the thing, people often have temporal amnesia when it comes to theological history, seeing it only through hindsight, and not through the eyes of the times in which the actual events ocurred.

For instance, Christianity. Before Christ came a knocking, it was all John the Baptist's gig. He was doing radical stuff left, right and center. A lot of people thought he was the "one". He even had a great many people following him, some still do. Point is, before Christ came along, John was the guy, the one who's journey was so d@mn important. Then, from out of nowhere, at the last minute, John meets Christ, does his "you do me" thing, and the rest is history.

Point is, it's entirely possible, and even allegorically consistent, to do such a reversal so late in the game. Often, messianic myths in theological models are less about the expoits/journey of the messiah, than the people who foretell/predict the messiah's appearence, or the ones who actually discover the messiah. Mostly because in many religions the "messiah" has yet to come. So the messianic myth is actually the story of the people, not the messiah.

And I feel like the word "salvation" is a really Christian way of looking at religious models, since most messianic myth is actually about building a closer relationship with god, without every affecting the individual's responsibility for their own well-being here, and in the after life. It's more about enlighentment than anything.

Obviously we disagree about the validity of a journey that alters our perceptions of the hero we've been following, but think of this in the true aristotelean manner of drama and the function of the hero. The hero is the lightning rod for catharsis in almost any story, and that catharsis is often effected by a dramatic change in the character, whether we're talking of King Lear, Hamlet, Oedipus, or Neo. So it was in the matrix, so it was in reloaded, so it should be in revolutions. And given the nature of the past transformations in the series for neo, it almlost seems elementary for the next stage of transformation to return neo to something more like what he was when we first met him, as a testament to something else, perhaps faith, in ourselves, a higher power, what have you. But in many of these hero stories that I've mentioned, the final catharsis isn't delivered by the hero, but by someone else, whether it's Gloucester in King Lear, Horatio or Fortinbras in Hamlet, and so on.

I guess my point is that it's okay if the series takes a turn in this way, and that one's disappointment in the possibility may perhaps be overstated, since some of the greatest pieces of literature that the western world has known have followed a very similar path.

But at this point, I'm not even sure if this is the theory I'm invested in. I just like the speculative exploration of the infinite possibilities of this matrix universe.

[kel thuzad]

In M1 in the scene when Neo is wait6ing for the car to take him to his first meeting with Morpheus there is "Tank is wrong" written on the wall behind Neo. This could be applied to Tank's : I knew it! He's the One! "

[dogisburning]

There is? After watching M1 over 10 times I never noticed that=.=

[SunnyCheeba]

i believe that Morpheus already possesses the role of John the Baptist in the Matrix universe

[Fanible]

There is two problems with the "Tank is wrong" writing theory, which has actually been brought up a long time ago.

First:
It doesn't actually say Tank is wrong, but the only thing we can see is "ANK IS WRONG" and then in a kinda more cursivy writing next to it "NOW".

Second:
The film when first wrote, wern't intending to have sequels. The film was written as one. Now it is true they could of had forshadowing stuff in case they really did have sequels, for example the architect. True though that could of been explained prior to the sequels as just security cams, thus the shot being in the corner of that room. Either way, as of now they were the architect screens.

So wether or not it actually said Tank is wrong and wether or not it was a forshadowing prediction of the future movies, that perhaps Neo isn't the One (or maybe he was wrong about something else?)... is something we'll just have to see. In reality we'll never know, besides the fact that the character was written out of the script durring a later date, so if it was something else maybe we won't ever know.

Anyways, yeah.

[terarist]

Originally posted by SunnyCheeba
i believe that Morpheus already possesses the role of John the Baptist in the Matrix universe

does he?
or is he actually elijah?

[Fanible]

Originally posted by terarist
does he?
or is he actually elijah?

I've stopped trying to direct connections anymore. It just makes my liking of the entertainment in the movies less.

[kel thuzad]

Are you sure the first film was wrote standalone without sequels ? I'm asking, because i have Matrix Revisited and there, i don't know who exactly was it - one of the chiefs from Village Roadshow or WB, he explained how W bros came to him with a trilogy and how he wanted to make onefilm and he even wouldn't allow them to direct it so they were forced to make Bound first to persuade them they were The Ones to do it.

[terarist]

I suppose you're right. But if I were teaching a class right now, it's almost instinct to just fall into that whole "does he? or is he actually elijah?" sort of indirect negation, questioning... you know, the tool of every bad teacher.

[Fanible]

Yes, the Wachowski's had the trilogy in mind, but the first one was rewritten to be stand alone. You don't want to make the assumption of a sequel if the movie doesn't do well. They wrote it so it could be a movie all by itself, in case it didn't do well and the WB didn't end up funding the sequels.

[kel thuzad]

a-ha right

[thecastrated]

ermm.. if Neo is not the ONE why would the architect say' the door to your right leads to blah blah..'

[kel thuzad]

Neo is the one. Who exactly started this thread ?! I will have no mercy with you !!

[NeoVsYoda]

Originally posted by kel thuzad
Neo is the one. Who exactly started this thread ?! I will have no mercy with you !!


How about you read the beginning of the thread properly first...

:eek:

[freakyplatypus]

Yeah - Neo is the present one. Not everyone can see in code, fly, stop bullets, and be resurected from the dead.

The Kid is important somehow though.

[kel thuzad]

That was just some kind of yet-unknown-type of joke.

[Omega Supreme]

Originally posted by terarist
does he?
or is he actually elijah?

What's Elijah got to do with it?

[G-Matrix]

Originally posted by dogisburning
I thought that the red pill was merly a tracking device.Wasn't the mirror with the cold silver stuff the thing that makes you wake up?
You know the red pill is use exactly for thetracking purpose and in order to unplugged the human from the pod, but the kid didn't need the pill he just freed himself neo didn't freed him he just show him there was another reality..in some way

[G-Matrix]

Originally posted by freakyplatypus
Yeah - Neo is the present one. Not everyone can see in code, fly, stop bullets, and be resurected from the dead.

The Kid is important somehow though.
yes that is what most of the guys who discuss this thread thinks
besides in freacky's words (I think) why is he the only character thathas his own animatrix..u see there might a purpose..coz..
it's purpuse that create us...it's purpose that guide us, that pull us...it's purpose that...well that's enough!!!