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IceGambit

08-02-2003, 08:48 PM

Originally posted by CWLakers34
Yeah I thought this too, but in every web site I looked at that had a list for possible Oscar contenders, this movie was always on it along with ROTK and Seabiscuit.

Interesting. Maybe it is worth checking out.

The thing I dislike about the Oscars is that the December releases tend to win. In the case of LOTR, this is good, but their were some truly worthy films last year that were not honored as they were summer releases. Road to Perdition, for example. And everyone thinks this is the case for Seabiscuit, another Oscar-worthy movie.

I like the idea from Madskillz. A Special Achievement of Excellence Award given to PJ, with a big presentation and grand clip sequence from the trilogy

That reminds me - TTT was nominated for Best Picture last year. The four other nominatedmovies got trailer-like clip collages to show off the films. TTT onnly got the clip of Gollum talking to himself and nothing else. Had they put together a true trailer-like montage like the other films got, people would see that TTT deserved to win. Still, that made me mad.

Dogbert0228

08-02-2003, 08:54 PM

Aside from Seabiscuit, I see very little competition for ROTK aside from American Splendor, Kill Bill, and, while a long-shot, The Matrix: Revolutions (it will be better than the first two, but probably not on an epic-enough scale to beat something like ROTK).

CWLakers34

08-02-2003, 10:11 PM

Oh yeah, I forgot about Kill Bill. This probably won't compete with ROTK, but it should still be a good movie nontheless. One thing that KB has going against it is that it's split into two movies. It would be hard for the Academy to pick one over the other when they are pretty much the same movie split in two.

Rizor

08-02-2003, 10:54 PM

"Master and Commander: The Far Side of the World" may be a contender. From director Peter Wier (The Truman Show) and starring Oscar's new favorite poster boy, Russel Crowe. (It also has Billy Boyd I think).

Is "Cold Mountain" still coming out this year? Directed by Anthony Minghella starring Nicole Kidman, Jude Law, Rene Zelwegger (sp?).

Then there'd probably be some small independent flick that gets a nod.

Pray that LOTR get it!

So far it's got awards for special effects, makeup, cinematography, sound editing, and music. That still leaves art direction (which it deserves), editing, sound, song, script, supporting actor, costume, director, and of course Best Picture!

Glordreen

08-02-2003, 10:56 PM

All three films should have swpet the oscars

IceGambit

08-02-2003, 11:08 PM

I am just glad that there isn't a huge flick that's a shoe-in, like Moulin Rouge or Chicago, to beat out RotK. I take comfort in the lack of a musical.

So far it's got awards for special effects, makeup, cinematography, sound editing, and music. That still leaves art direction (which it deserves), editing, sound, song, script, supporting actor, costume, director, and of course Best Picture!

I don't know - while I can't think of any award on their that RotK wouldn't deserve, sometimes the period pieces take Costumes and Art direction.

I will say one thing - if RotK doesn't win for Cinematography, I will travel the Academy and whack the comittee over the head with Sting.

Critics say "Cold Mountain" could be a threat. Plus, Renee Zelweger will be a hot pick, and the Academy likes the big stars (Nicole Kidman, Halle Berry).

About the 3rd Matrix film, it faces the same problems LOTR does. It's a mass appeal genre affair. I have no doubt that it will be worthy, but I think the Wachoski Brothers are too non-Hollywood to be honored by the Academy.

I wouldn't mind if Kill Bill and Master and Commander get a few awards, although I would be happier if they just got nominated.

IceGambit

08-02-2003, 11:32 PM

What about "The Alamo?"

I know we haven't even seen a trailer yet, but it has the markings of a winner.

I suddenly feel very threatened.

LOTRfan

08-03-2003, 10:27 AM

I think most LOTR fans feel the same: LOTR has been slighted thus far. If ROTK doesn't win best picture and PJ for best director the Academy Awards are a sham. I serioulsy won't put any stock in what they say anymore. PJ said he didn't want to beg - it's what the Oscar race usually entails- and I agree with him. The awards should be based solely on the work and not on how good the political skills of the people involved are. All the campaigning is ridiculous and shouldn't be allowed.
And I agree with Madskillz...there should be a type of award for the trilogy in general as it is really one huge movie...not sequels.

Smeagol

08-03-2003, 10:36 AM

ROTK should win Best Picture. PJ should win Best Director. Plus, Best Sound, Best Editing, Best Costume, Best Adapted Screenplay and Best Supporting Actor for Viggo Mortenson. :applaud:

IceGambit

08-03-2003, 12:38 PM

It is sad that the Oscars have become so political. Still, every now and then, they award the truly deserving nominee, so that gives me hope.

CWLakers34

08-03-2003, 09:16 PM

Like Gladiator. That was the first time in a while that I feel they awarded the right movie. Let's hope they do the same for ROTK.

TPOLG.NET

08-03-2003, 09:34 PM

I think FOTR should have won BP, I am not sure about TTT. As for ROTK I will wait till I see it to make an opinion (after all PJ could all ways botch it):cool:

freakyplatypus

08-03-2003, 09:42 PM

I dunno. I duntcare. I'm not wearing underwear.

IceGambit

08-03-2003, 11:30 PM

Originally posted by CWLakers34
Like Gladiator. That was the first time in a while that I feel they awarded the right movie. Let's hope they do the same for ROTK.

Definitely. For me there have been two deserving films that won best picture since 1995: Braveheart and Gladiator. All the other winners were rubbish. Remember when Shakespeare in Love beat Saving Private Ryan I thought I was having a heart attack!

I was about as obsessed with hope that Gladiator would win as I am that ROTK will win. And Michael Douglas had to read the winner. I love that irony, since everyone thought Traffic would win.

Boods

08-03-2003, 11:38 PM

i seriously think FOTR should have won best picture and best director and all the detail awards (costumes, make up ....)
TTT couldnt get best movie even if it was the best movie .. there was too much war and all it should have got all the detail awards as well and best director ..
and ROTK has to win it all...best picture, best director, best actors and all the other awards ..

the oscars are shiite deciders anyway...

kylesmile

08-04-2003, 02:03 AM

I think the FOTR should have definitely won Best Picture for 2001. TTT, though I loved it, just didn't seem like the one to win in 2002 for some reason. But I truly hope that the Academy can get over themselves and reward this whole incredible trilogy with the Best Picture and Best Director awards. I think it has a good chance, especially considering as the incredible reviews. Another reason they didn't award FOTR and TTT was that neither had a true ending, while I'm sure ROTK will. Plus, it should be very emotional, and the Academy loves emotion.

The Moose

08-04-2003, 03:39 AM

we,, ROTK IS going to win. i am sure of it.

IceGambit

08-04-2003, 10:21 AM

I think its interesting that some people do't think TTT should've won best picture. I liked it more than Fellowship. But Fellowship is more Oscar-like, I guess, what with all the changing venues.

PsYkOoOoO

08-04-2003, 10:26 AM

ROTK shld and will win

Dogbert0228

08-04-2003, 11:10 AM

2004 Best Picture Nominees:

The Alamo

American Splendor

Cold Mountain

Seabiscuit

Return of the King

Master and Commander: The Far Side of the World

3 other films in contention:

Kill Bill (volume I and/or II)

The Matrix: Revolutions

The Last Samurai

If Cold Mountain is as good as the book, I'd be a little worried for ROTK, and American Splendor is the kind of original film the Academy looks at very closely, and I'm just hoping Master and Commander will be unoriginal and another stupid star-machine for Russel Crowe that everyone will be sick of when Oscar time rolls around. As for The Alamo, I don't think it could compare to Saving Private Ryan, which was beat out by Shakespear In Love, and Seabiscuit tried too hard to be a touchy-feely film, but it was a great story and very well acted. Could earn an award for best actor and/or supporting actor... Kill Bill has a long chance (Quentin Tarantino and Kung Fu?) made even longer by splitting the film in two, while the brothers on the Matrix trilogy aren't very Hollywood-oriented, and their final Matrix film will be great, but maybe not Oscar-great. And finally, as for the Last Samuai, they put A LOT of time and money into the film, and Tom Cruise can act, so I think this movie's chances lie in the strength of a story that American audiences can grasp and connect to, and whether the film has greater depth than Tom Cruise twirling his Samuai sword for 2 hours.

I look for ROTK to be the favorite this year, but several of these films have a chance to win over the Academy as well... It won't be the easy win everyone might have been anticipating... We are only in August, after all...

DangerMouse

08-04-2003, 12:14 PM

If "Return of the King" doesn't win (judging by the quality of the first 2 films), I hope that everyone involved with the film, that is at the Oscars, gets up and leaves.

I could see Beautiful Mind winning best picture, but best adapted screenplay?

If all 3 films get the Oscar slight, something big has to be done.

CWLakers34

08-04-2003, 01:51 PM

haha. Man that would be great if they didn't win for everyone to walk out. But let's hope they don't need to resort to that

LOTRfan

08-04-2003, 02:04 PM

Yes it would be "great"... in some sick demented sort of way....I'd rather them win and everyone be happy about it.:D
Anyway if LOTR couldn't win every year I think it makes the most sense for ROTK to get it. It's the conclusion and will most likely be the best. It would have been really bad if they gave it to FOTR, ignored TTT, and then gave it to ROTK (cuz it was soo incredibly awesome). It would look like TTT wasn't worth it. I hope the reason for the others getting slighted was because they are holding out and are planning to give it to ROTK, if its as good as it sounds. As long as they don't go soft at the last min. and give it away to Cold Mountain, ROTK should receive justice.

IceGambit

08-04-2003, 11:46 PM

I agree with LOTRfan. I thought TTT was just slightly better than Fellowship, and that is quite an achievement.

08-05-2003, 12:32 AM

I think the fans have higher hopes for these films than its makers do...

Frankly, many of you are too confident in RotK's chances. The Academy doesn't owe the LotR series anything. They'll award RotK with the Best Picture award if they feel it deserves it... not if they feel sorry for the past two films not winning. I have high hopes for this film as well, since I'm so enamoured with the source material. But I've seen this same sort of hype for the past two films, and they've not lived up to it at the Oscars. This isn't becuase the Academy are a bunch of mindless pricks, but because they are mindful critics. Why should they agree with only one group of fans? They have their own opinions, and likely have more experience with film than most people who visit these forums. Both A Beautiful Mind and Chicago were wonderfully crafted films, worthy of the awards they received. The Fellowship of the Ring and The Two Towers were both brilliantly made, and certainly worthy of the awards and nominations they received.

Besides, it's too early to speculate on next years Oscars at this time...

Slipknot

08-05-2003, 02:36 AM

LOTR Return Of The King will win best film because i dont think they have much competition this year, I mean who is runing with them? The Matrix Revolutions. LOTR ROTK i think will win but i dunno.

PsYkOoOoO

08-05-2003, 04:07 AM

Originally posted by Slipknot
LOTR Return Of The King will win best film because i dont think they have much competition this year, I mean who is runing with them? The Matrix Revolutions. LOTR ROTK i think will win but i dunno.

the last samurai..;)

IceGambit

08-05-2003, 10:46 AM

Originally posted by Oj
This isn't becuase the Academy are a bunch of mindless pricks, but because they are mindful critics.

I disagree there. The Academy usually finds a way to award the movie that doesn't deserve it. Like Chicago, or Shakespeare in Love. It is almost a completely political affair. If they always awarded the truly deserving nominee, then I woldn't be worried for RotK.

08-05-2003, 12:26 PM

Chicago was very deserving of the Oscar. If they had given the award to xXx, I could see where you would be disappointed. I never saw Shakespeare in Love, so I'll avoid commenting on that year's awards. If the Oscars were as political as people make them out to be, I would think that Gangs of New York would have had the best chance last year.

jediknight

08-05-2003, 01:26 PM

I would have been happier if Gangs of New York won over Chicago!

Cbars

08-05-2003, 06:18 PM

I read that they are speculating Seabiscuit for best pic.

IceGambit

08-05-2003, 07:30 PM

I imagine Seabiscuit will Road to Perdition it's way out of everyone's memory come December.

LOTRfan

08-05-2003, 07:35 PM

nice ;)...And Seabiscuit is a nice little story but LOTR is flat out AMAZING!!!!!!!!

Citizen Kane

08-05-2003, 07:41 PM

IceGambit

08-05-2003, 08:01 PM

Originally posted by LOTRfan
nice ;)...And Seabiscuit is a nice little story but LOTR is flat out AMAZING!!!!!!!!

Well, the Academy rarely awards the deserving movie, so we know LOTR is the best film, but we still have to worry about the Academy's political agenda.

The Moose

08-06-2003, 12:09 AM

good point IceGambit. you have shown that you use the watery ooze betwen ya ears

ACLP84

08-06-2003, 06:01 AM

i think Last Samurai will be a bigger contendor than many think it look very Dances With Wolves in storyline and themes which seems big with the Academy

I think ROTK should sweep most of them but also that the LOTR should be given a honourary award like Snow White did for groundbreaking ie filming all 3 at once, gollum, epicness etc

Brock Landers

08-06-2003, 06:27 AM

I'd like to see ROTK take best picture, but I got a feeling it wont. I see stuff like The Last Samurai and Master & Commander taking it......

IceGambit

08-06-2003, 09:41 AM

Originally posted by The Moose
good point IceGambit. you have shown that you use the watery ooze betwen ya ears

Always, mate! :D

Seriously, I would be more worried about Cold Mountain than Master and Commander. Russell Crowe movies got the award in 2001 and 2002, so they probably want some diversity.

PsYkOoOoO

08-06-2003, 09:44 AM

ROTK ALL THE WAY!!

CWLakers34

08-06-2003, 12:02 PM

I sware if that damn Russel Crowe gets it again, then I will become angry. Ok Gladiator was a good choice for best film, but A Beautiful Mind? Come on!!! I think Russel pays them off or something. Oh well, I just hope the Academy can take their eyes off of their poster boy for a few seconds to award ROTK.

I can see it now. ROTK wins Best Picture and Russel stands up and says "AFTER ALL I'VE DONE FOR YOU....." then leaves hahahaha. :D

jediknight

08-06-2003, 12:08 PM

lol

IceGambit

08-06-2003, 12:47 PM

Originally posted by CWLakers34
I sware if that damn Russel Crowe gets it again, then I will become angry. Ok Gladiator was a good choice for best film, but A Beautiful Mind? Come on!!! I think Russel pays them off or something. Oh well, I just hope the Academy can take their eyes off of their poster boy for a few seconds to award ROTK.

I think Russell Crowe is a fine actor - he was ripped off when he was not awarded Best Actor for A Beautiful Mind. I don't think he deserved it for Gladiator, although Gladiator did deserve Best Picture. But I am tired of hearing about him.

I think he is one of the only people nominated for Best Actor three times in a row: The Insider, Gladiator, Beautiful Mind.

A Beautiful Mind got Best Picture only because they didn't give Russell Crowe Best Actor. They had a African American theme that year (Halle Berry and Sidney Poitier won Actress and a Special Award respectively), so the Best Actor Award unfairly went to Denzel Washington.

That's why Fellowship didn't win Best Picture. Keep that in mind. All politics.

So remember this about Master and COmmander: It will likely be nominated for Best Picture. If Russell Crowe gets nominated and doesn't win Best Actor, then the film has a better shot at Best Picture. The Academy is always trying to appease the people they like. Russell Crowe is no idiot - even if he is mad at the Academy, he likes all the publicity. It sells his movies.

CWLakers34

08-06-2003, 02:46 PM

Wow, I never noticed it that way. Oh well, it just makes me think less and less of the Academy.

Glordreen

08-06-2003, 03:40 PM

Rotk will take..........

Best Picture
Best Director
Best Supporting Actor
Best Adpated Screenplay
Best Art Direction
Best Visual Effects
Best Costume Design
Best Original Song

.............at least

RebelwithaCause

08-06-2003, 03:43 PM

The Oscars this next year is going to be difficult...

Now for me, The Lord of the Rings is going to go down as one of the greatest films ever created. I consider them to be all of one film, so I still have to see the 3rd act. If I must, then if I have to pick between Two Towers and Fellowship, I choose Fellowship. I will never forget spending 15 hours of my Christmas vacation that year, in that theater, watching that movie. I loved it. Two Towers was supremely awesome, right up there with it, and has its very memorable moments for me too...it has tons of heart, tons of action...and yet...just, the scope of Fellowship..to feel like you've gone that whole distance...it just makes me feel how far i've gone. In Two Towers, its mainly centered around Edoras, the mountains of Mordor, and Fangorn Forest....While both are, quite possibly, my favorite films, there is still something that makes Fellowship more for me. I used to think Two Towers was, but after watching Fellowship again..there is something there that I realize that Two Towers didn't quite catch up to...missed it by a hair. But that's a hell of a lot more than most films could say...anyways, onto the Oscars....

They are crap. Now look, I love Titanic...don't ask me why, but the film, while it has its faults, touched me, and for that, it remains one of my favorites as well, and I think it deserved Best Pic. Braveheart and Gladiator I did not like, Shakespeare in Love was interesting, but not Oscar Best Pic worthy...The English Patient is ridiculous...American Beauty is extremely worthy of that award, as much as I do love everything that came out that year, (save for the crap The Cider House Rules, which gave Michael Caine an award that should have gone to Haley Joel Osment!!! But i digress....) and in the past 2 years, they have given it to films that were good...I personally liked both of them. But they are not films that deserved that award. I knew Two Towers wouldn't win because the odds were against it...it was a middle film, first off, and most people felt that they had awarded it or were about to award it....I think it should have won against everything else...I still have to watch the Pianist, but i have watched everything else. Chicago? Good movie, not Oscar worthy. I still think that Cathrine Zeta Jones should not have won that award....sure, the dancing and singing required talent, but acting? She did her little skeptical act that she did in all of her other films as well...no, she didn't do anything for me. The only film that was nominated that I felt really deserved it besides TTT was The Hours. Had they given it to that film, I wouldn't have been furious...I wouldn't have agreeed with them, but there was a lot of effort put into that film, and I adored its use of talent. Almost everyone in that film gave an award worthy effort. However....this year...I believe the Academy will give The Lord of the Rings a special award for what they did...they will...but because of that, people won't give it Best Pic. It just won't happen. They will believe they have honored it enough and another one will. I hate to be the pessimist, because I hope with all my heart that it wins...but I have a feeling it won't. Cold Mountain, unless it bombs, has the best chance..Master and Commander, yes...Matrix, however, will not...mainly cuz the second one sucked and most people felt it was bleh! Anyways, I'll continue to hope...and if it does win, it will break a barrier in Hollywood, and deservedly so...but don't be surprised if, come Oscar night, they throw a curve ball to another film.

The Moose

08-07-2003, 01:04 AM

well, i haven't seem Chicago, and i wanted TTT to win, the year before, i didn't see Beautiful Mind, and it won, but i wanted FOTR to win. year before that, i didn't se American Beauty, (but i have since, and can easily see why it won the award) but i didn't have any real support for what won that year. gladiator was good, and i am glad that that one, and i think that the Gladiator 2 movie will turn out to be absolute s***, but if it is good, i may just eat my hat. my overall point is that the movies that i have not seen have won in recent years, and the ones that i have seen and wanted to win haven't

Glordreen

08-07-2003, 02:58 AM

Rotk will win. It has to win. IT WILL WIN! If it doesnt I will go instantly insane and live off lint for the rest of my life, and hunting down the Academy members and snipe them off.

Really ROTK has no competition this year.

Brock Landers

08-07-2003, 03:04 AM

Originally posted by Glordreen
Really ROTK has no competition this year.

I wouldn't say that just yet:

Master and Commander
The Last Samurai
The Alamo
Seabiscuit
Cold Mountain

The Moose

08-08-2003, 03:44 AM

we haven't seen those yet, so we can't say if they are actually good, or just hyped up to be

IceGambit

08-08-2003, 02:54 PM

Um, we haven't seeen ROTK yet either.....;)

Cloud Buster

08-08-2003, 09:06 PM

Originally posted by IceGambit
Um, we haven't seeen ROTK yet either.....;)

Exactly....I am expecting to be blown away by it, but you can't judge until you've seen it.

And yes, I'm sure there will be plenty of competition for it. I do hope, however, after all the work that's gone into the whole trilogy, that there is some recognition. Ideally of course we'd all like PJ to walk away with an Oscar for director, one for adapted screenplay, editing, and best picture. I don't think there are higher honors for a film than the one that walks away with those four. However, we don't want to rob any deserving candidates of a chance just because this is the last of the trilogy...so we'll have to wait and see.

As I'm sure some people will say "what about oscars for acting", I'm not sure there are many places for those in LOTR. Don't get me wrong, every single actor has done a great job so far -- and I think it's been a breakthrough performance for each, but I'm not sure if any are in contention for best actor/actress. I thought Ian McKellen in FOTR really deserved it, and I don't think the character will have the depth in ROTK to let him shine the way he did in FOTR. We'll have to see what Elijah Wood and Sean Astin pull out of their hats for the final moments on Mount Doom.

IceGambit

08-08-2003, 10:09 PM

Originally posted by Cloud Buster
As I'm sure some people will say "what about oscars for acting", I'm not sure there are many places for those in LOTR.

I agree. The Academy really tends to give the acting awards to the biggest names of the day - Russell Crowe, Nicole Kidman, Halle Berry, Julia Roberts....

Perhaps Elijah will really give it his all for ROTK, and he will deserve one. I suppose Viggo could also deserve best supporting actor if enough focus is placed on his inner struggle to accept his leadership position.

The Moose

08-08-2003, 10:44 PM

yeah, i know that we haven't seen ROTK yet, but we know that it is better that FOTR and TTT, due to PJ saying this HS saying this, and dominic's comment after seeing a rough cut "it was like being dipped in electricity"

we KNOW that it will be awesome

PsYkOoOoO

08-08-2003, 10:52 PM

make me cry~!

The Moose

08-08-2003, 10:55 PM

it will

IceGambit

08-09-2003, 12:34 PM

My point is, we know ROTK will be excellent, and we have to assume that some of the threats at the Oscars this year will be not as good, but more favorable for the Academy.

The Moose

08-09-2003, 08:25 PM

well put

FVD

08-10-2003, 11:24 PM

Well I will be surprised if ROTK wins Best Picture next year. Fingers crossed.

Now to this years recipients:

Best Picture: Chicago. I haven't seen it yet and I don't think I will either. I would have probably leaned toward Gangs Of New York or The Pianist if TTT weren't nominated.
Best Actor: Adrien Brody. I feel he really deserved it. I found The Pianist to be a brilliant film too.
Best Actress: Nicole Kidman. Personally I think she ain't all that much as a good actress. Mind you I haven't seen The Hours yet either. I kinda hoped that Salma Hayek would win actually.
Best Director: Roman Polanski. Well sure he directed a fine film but it's also funny how he still cannot set foot in the US again can he? I would have vouched for Martin Scorcese but hey Polanski was fine by me.
Best Supporting Actor: Chris Cooper. Another surprise but hey good on him. He's a good enough actor and funny enough I still haven't seen Adaptation either. I know I still want to as well.
Best Supporting Actress: Catherine Zeta-Jones. I used to like her but now she's getting all up herself now ever since she married Michael Douglas. Anything to get noticed I suppose. Wasn't Renee Zellweger also nominated? It was also funny how Richard Gere wasn't even nominated for Best Actor or something. Oh well Chicago got enough nods anyway.

FVD.

The Moose

08-11-2003, 03:15 AM

i want it to win, and the people expect it to win, so there will be severe disappiontment if it doesn't win something. i have the sneaking suspicion that they my give PJ some special award for achievement in film, as no one has ever made 3 movies simultaneously. if they do give him an award like that, he won't get best picture

IceGambit

08-11-2003, 04:24 PM

So which would you rather have?

ROTK getting Best Picture and several other normal Oscars?

Or LOTR in total getting a special award?

I personally would rather see ROTK get the normal Oscars. If not, then it seems like the Academy is just trying to appease the viewers who didn't already know they are a sham.

08-11-2003, 04:42 PM

A special award for the LotR movies is even more unlikely than RotK winning Best Picture, imo. I can't think of any other "groundbreaking" films being awarded with a special award from the Academy. They're not going to make an exception for these films.

Queen Arwen

08-11-2003, 05:59 PM

I just saw Seabiscuit yesterday, and I was blown away by it. My parents, who are LOTR movie fans despite having never read the books, even commented on how it will beat ROTK. But even when Gandalf said, "There never was much. Just a fool's hope," to Pippin's inquiry, Frodo and Sam accomplished the impossible. So, ROTK any day!

Queen Arwen

08-11-2003, 06:01 PM

Originally posted by IceGambit
So which would you rather have?

ROTK getting Best Picture and several other normal Oscars?

Or LOTR in total getting a special award?

I personally would rather see ROTK get the normal Oscars. If not, then it seems like the Academy is just trying to appease the viewers who didn't already know they are a sham.

I completely agree with you, IceGambit, though I would love it if ROTK got all the "normal" Oscars and LOTR as a whole got a special award. The whole trilogy is just too BRILLIANT to leave alone!:) :applaud:

The Moose

08-12-2003, 12:49 AM

yeah, it has got 6 oscars from 2 films. to make the trilogy seem to do well, about 16 in total would do nicely. that means about 10 oscars for ROTK. that would be nice, you have to admit

ACLP84

08-12-2003, 01:47 PM

Originally posted by Oj
A special award for the LotR movies is even more unlikely than RotK winning Best Picture, imo. I can't think of any other "groundbreaking" films being awarded with a special award from the Academy. They're not going to make an exception for these films.

Although recently there have been no awards for 'groundbreaking' films but Snow White won an honorary oscar and 7 little oscars
'The Jazz Singer' as first talkie
and several others for things such as use of colour cinematography

However unlikely honoary oscars have been given before for groundbreaking occumplishments

08-12-2003, 03:52 PM

I wasn't aware of that. But Snow White and The Jazz Singer are much more important than the LotR series. I love the series, but they haven't really made any gigantic leaps in film technique. A Best Picture Oscar for RotK is the last chance the series has.

the 4th tenor

08-13-2003, 01:45 AM

I just read an article in Newsweek and they have said that ROTK is the front runner for best picture this year and some studio execs putting movies up against it are secretly hoping that ROTK will win.

the 4th tenor

08-13-2003, 01:46 AM

Sorry about the double post but I just thought I would mention that the article is called "Lord of the Oscars"

The Moose

08-13-2003, 04:01 AM

did you get that over at TORN? i tried to get it, but it didn't work for me

The Elf King

08-13-2003, 05:45 AM

Sorry but I gotta stick up for me wee Matrix! :D
Time and time again it gets a littel bashing in here for no reason, people saying its crap and that it wont win anything.

Ok so some didnt understand the 2nd movie that is understandable, but that does not make it a bad movie, Ok the CGI was way over hyped but what we saw can not be said has crap CGI cause for me it was mind blowing and you could see that alot of work was put into it. And to say that most people did not like the movie is wrong, I'm not asking for people praise the movie but to stop down grading it too a film like The Hulk.
Get ready for a shock in November when the 3rd movie is released cause I belive the last movie could still the lime light.
But if ROTK is has good has its been said it is gonna be then it will be hard for the 3rd Matrix movie to compete.

PsYkOoOoO

08-13-2003, 06:28 AM

if?what you mean if?ROTK WILL be as good as the book...maybe even better

08-13-2003, 06:37 AM

Originally posted by PsYkOoOoO
if?what you mean if?ROTK WILL be as good as the book...maybe even better

If they can pull that off, the film should have few problems nabbing the Oscar. It's very uncommon to have a movie be as good as the book. The first two certainly weren't up to par with the books.

The Elf King

08-13-2003, 06:40 AM

No way is the movie has good as the book, you got to put in consideration that the book has got alot more detail in it and that its got more about the history of LOTR and its charactors.

PsYkOoOoO

08-13-2003, 07:52 AM

u never know..;)

The Elf King

08-13-2003, 08:33 AM

Naa it will never happen due to the facts that our own imagenation is much more better and fun. :D

obsessedwithsnl

08-13-2003, 04:03 PM

Originally posted by The Elf King
Naa it will never happen due to the facts that our own imagenation is much more better and fun. :D

They will come close though.

LOTRfan

08-13-2003, 09:14 PM

I actually enjoyed the movies so far as much (if not more, at times;) ) than the books. And that's saying alot because I am a full-time book lover. I think the books were amazing but seeing them brought to life the way they were is even more amazing. I know the movies aren't perfect and some things weren't included that I would have liked to see, but I think over-all they are the best-adapted movies I've seen.

The Moose

08-14-2003, 04:12 AM

i would be in the same boat as you LOTRfan

The Elf King

08-14-2003, 04:26 AM

You can't carry the movie around with you though, where has the book can be read when ever you want too :)

Also with out the book you dont have the movie :D
I only read the book after the Fellowship and I loved the book more then then movie, there was so much more in the book then the movie. Best bit for me was the journey to Bree :D There was so much more in this part of the story that the movie didn't show.

The Moose

08-14-2003, 04:32 AM

yeah, that bit of the book was good, and would have been good to see it in the movie

The Elf King

08-14-2003, 05:47 AM

Aye I enjoyed that bit so much, it was quite long TBH, for what you see in the movie I would have thought that they would have showed more of it though :(

Glordreen

08-14-2003, 09:01 PM

That part of the book in Fellowship is probably the best. Really enjoyable.

The Moose

08-14-2003, 09:06 PM

yeah. on the original subject of the thread: herer is an article in which a guy does a bit of an oscar breakdown.

http://www.moviecitynews.com/columnists/poland/2003_Oscar/030813.html

it's interesting

IceGambit

08-15-2003, 02:44 PM

Okay, I think the movies are better than the books.

Now that everyone is going :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil:, I must explain. Film is a much much more accessible media to me. I understand film more, although I do love reading. I have a somewhat reasonable perception as to what went into the making of a film just by watching it.

People who read the books first surely think the books are better, just because they have more in them. The Fellowship book in particular really dragged on and repeated too many things for my taste.

Back on the Oscar subject, that article at movienews.com was an interestind read. I have never heard of this "21 Grams" but I don't like the fact that the author gives it so much attention. Could it be another threat?

CWLakers34

08-15-2003, 02:50 PM

Well, I just got the newest EW mag today and they don't give 21 Grams that much attention. They do however give easily 3 times as much attetion to Master and Commander than they do LOTR. That damn Russel Crow... if his movie wins again I don't know what I'll do. But EW also puts plenty focus on The Last Samurai too, so there are many ways to look at it right now.

The Moose

08-15-2003, 06:57 PM

yeah, i want to see Master and Commander. is seabiscuit any good. some people are counting it as an oscar contender. it is out in the USA, but not here

IceGambit

08-16-2003, 01:45 PM

Seabiscuit was wonderful, but didn't top the LOTR films in my mind.

PsYkOoOoO

08-16-2003, 09:14 PM

Originally posted by The Moose
yeah, i want to see Master and Commander. is seabiscuit any good. some people are counting it as an oscar contender. it is out in the USA, but not here

the trailer for master and commander was boring for me...im still interested in the passion and the last samurai...

The Moose

08-17-2003, 12:11 AM

what is seabiscuit about (i know that there is a horse in it)

Dogbert0228

08-18-2003, 03:11 AM

Yep. That's about it. A horse movie.

No, but really, Tobey Maguire plays this jockey, who overcomes the odds as he's blind in one eye and his horse, Seabiscuit, isn't that great, but with the help of an inspired owner (Jeff Bridges) and washed-up trainer(Chris Cooper), Seabiscuit goes on to become one of the greatest stories to come out of and lift the spirits of Depression-ridden America in the 1920's...

The Moose

08-18-2003, 03:37 AM

oh. not really my cup of tea then. thanks anyway

The Elf King

08-18-2003, 05:29 AM

I think its still to early for any mag to start making any hype about ROTK, I have seen im mags a few bits of information about the movie (Stuff that is already out on the net anyway) and I dont think you will see the real hype till the DvD for TTT is out.
Once the reviewers get a glimps of the movie they will go nutz :D

The Moose

08-19-2003, 12:47 AM

yeah. there was a decent sized campaign last time. they are letting this one play on its own way

Glordreen

08-19-2003, 01:13 PM

Nothing will top the LOTR films

The Moose

08-20-2003, 01:47 AM

that is obvious. haven't you read what we have stated over the last few pages?

lotrfreak

09-13-2003, 10:30 AM

i think that rotk totally deserves every award that it is going to win, and so much more. The book was amazing, and i have no doubt that the movie will be just that. And from what I've heard, i wouldnt be surprised if Elijah Wood was nominated. His been getting praises from everyone who's seen ROTK(The select few), just a thought

PsYkOoOoO

09-13-2003, 10:33 AM

unlikely..but possible...

lotrfreak

09-15-2003, 08:13 AM

hopefully possible

The Moose

09-15-2003, 06:28 PM

more likely to get a supporting actor nod for either Viggo or Sean. but the academy may deem Viggo to be a leading actor

Glordreen

09-15-2003, 07:26 PM

true

lotrfreak

09-23-2003, 07:59 AM

yeah well, sean probably deserves one, he's doin so well
and viggo is just DA MAN!! so he deserves one too
bugger it, they all deserve one!

PsYkOoOoO

09-23-2003, 10:16 AM

the academy sux~!

Glordreen

09-23-2003, 11:12 AM

yes they are

downflow311

09-23-2003, 01:33 PM

the only person that TRULY deserves an oscar is peter jackson himself!

Queen Arwen

09-23-2003, 07:48 PM

I am definitely upset at the fact that the Academy has completely ignored Jackson for the past two years, but it goes too far to say he's the only one who TRULY deserves it. Yes, he got the casting correct, and yes, he is the director, but darn it all, he didn't act it all out! Viggo DEFINITELY deserves one!

Mirokai

09-24-2003, 01:26 AM

Oscars sucks!!!:mad:
Chicago best movie…HA! with TTT and Gangs of New York…but THERE’S ALWAYS HOPE this time ROTK will win (I hope!!
:rolleyes: )

Faithless Eye

09-24-2003, 01:30 AM

i don't think there ARE any "best actor" or "best actress" oscars in LOTR...they're all supporting actors. it's an ensemble cast, c'mon.

They all need Oscars though.

ALLL...OF...THEMMM...

PsYkOoOoO

09-24-2003, 01:42 AM

i agree...at least get some of them nominated for supporting actor like ian mckellan in FOTR or sean...they totally ignored their existence last year as none of the cast was nominated for the best actor and best actress..not even the supporting actor and actress category...even worse...they did not even bother to nominate peter jackson for best director...if you dont want to give it to him fine...at least a damn nomination...

Gandollum

09-24-2003, 04:07 PM

Originally posted by PsYkOoOoO
i agree...at least get some of them nominated for supporting actor like ian mckellan in FOTR or sean...they totally ignored their existence last year as none of the cast was nominated for the best actor and best actress..not even the supporting actor and actress category...even worse...they did not even bother to nominate peter jackson for best director...if you dont want to give it to him fine...at least a damn nomination...

Im pretty sure PJ will get nominated this year, and hopefully he'll win, cause the guy deserves it.

Samwise Gamwich

09-24-2003, 08:13 PM

Originally posted by Gandollum
Im pretty sure PJ will get nominated this year, and hopefully he'll win, cause the guy deserves it.

Of course he deserves it...

Every nomination the prior LOTR films have had deserve it (Especially Sir Ian McKellen... They we ALL robbed)

The Academy is basically a sad mixture of people without any sort of true vision... And it has become more political than Congress sad to say...

The 'People's Choice' type awards much more reflect what we feel about the entertainment Hollywood has been dishing out to us but unfortuneatly we are protrayed as peasant who have no taste.....

I say... To hell with the Oscars!
We ALL know PJ and his LOTR Masterpiece are so well made that the Acedemy is not even worthy of watchin it!!!

Just MHO