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The_One_Ring
07-30-2003, 07:08 PM
:applaud: now is it just me, or does the acutral whole terminator three seem implausable... okay let me explain... he was melted... for starter's and obvicously distroyed, and so was the chip and the arm, in terminator 2... now i have read in mag's how the whole plot works, but to me it seems idiotic and pointless, i think it should have been stopped at 2..
WHOS WITH ME!
or can explain how it all works
Boone
07-30-2003, 08:49 PM
Are you drunk?
Balrog of Moria
07-30-2003, 08:54 PM
Or high?
SkyNet
07-30-2003, 09:05 PM
If you listen to the T2 commentary by James Cameron, he states that he specifically chose to CHANGE the ending of T2 to give an uncertainty of the future and if it has truly been changed completely. He says that the new ending is better because it shows that the future cannot be changed by simply one event, but it is an ONGOING process of events that are all interconnected to each other. You cannot alter the future through one event, but through many events that are related.

Just as human evolution explains, our human nature of curiousity and the strive to create will undoubtedly / eventually lead to the creation of SkyNet sooner or LATER, as we see in T3.
ambrosia
07-31-2003, 01:49 AM
And it seems that both the Humans and the Machines, even though they can use time travel, haven't been able to figure out that they can't change the inevitable... they can only wreak bloody havoc trying and thats what the Terminator series is all about. :D
spiderman_2k
07-31-2003, 05:32 AM
And we love it because of that...;)
ambrosia
07-31-2003, 05:54 AM
Of course!
tedward
07-31-2003, 09:39 AM
Originally posted by ambrosia
And it seems that both the Humans and the Machines, even though they can use time travel, haven't been able to figure out that they can't change the inevitable... they can only wreak bloody havoc trying and thats what the Terminator series is all about. :D

you cant blame them for trying.
Mr.Matinee
07-31-2003, 11:45 AM
Originally posted by tedward
you cant blame them for trying.

Yeah,there just...umm...victims of circumstance...
Alien
07-31-2003, 06:19 PM
At the end of T2 John was still alive so therefore Judgment Day was still coming. Stopping judgment day would mean no more john.
Balrog of Moria
07-31-2003, 08:22 PM
Judgement Day doesnt depend on wether John is alive...It will happen either way
SkyNet
07-31-2003, 09:53 PM
what he means is that if Judgment Day was prevented, John would NOT exist since he wouldn't become the resistance leader and send Kyle back through time to boom-boom :eek: with sarah and giving birth to John.
Balrog of Moria
07-31-2003, 10:49 PM
Ahh I see...I misunderstood the time paradox
Rabbit
08-01-2003, 01:52 AM
Also....

If you pay close attention, Arnold's arm is crunched off...again!!! In Terminator 2, when he is fighting the new Terminator (forget the type), his arm is caught in that wheel-thing, and chopped off again. No one ever goes to get it, so I think that left room for T3.:cool:
tedward
08-01-2003, 02:49 AM
Originally posted by SkyNet
what he means is that if Judgment Day was prevented, John would NOT exist since he wouldn't become the resistance leader and send Kyle back through time to boom-boom :eek: with sarah and giving birth to John.

Sara conners child would still grow up to defeat the robots.
Balrog of Moria
08-01-2003, 09:23 AM
Him being there means Judgement day still happens...If they had stopped it he would "Dissapear" so to speak
tedward
08-01-2003, 11:17 AM
He would not dissapear if they prevented judgement day. It is possible his father will not be born but he would not dissapear.
Mr.Matinee
08-01-2003, 11:28 AM
Yeah,Even if Kyle never was John's father,In the ORIGINAL timeline(the one without Skynet/resistince interference),John would have been born,just to another father.What really needs to be explained is when the John from T3 learns he's gonna die,will the adult one know that as well?
jediknight
08-01-2003, 01:24 PM
Technically, yes, but his adult wife ( i forgot her name, claire daines) doesn't want John to know. So 1) She doesn't want him to know because she likes life better without him....or, more likely 2)Telling young John would cause adult John to destroy the T100 sent to assasinate him causing the young John to die because the T100 was never sent back.
SkyNet
08-01-2003, 02:27 PM
Originally posted by jediknight
2)Telling young John would cause adult John to destroy the T100 sent to assasinate him causing the young John to die because the T100 was never sent back.

Actually, John could just avoid being killed by him and THEN send him back through time.

he doesn't HAVE to die in order for the T-101 to be sent back in time.
freakyplatypus
08-01-2003, 02:30 PM
I am from the future.
I have been sent back in time to destroy this thread by sending it off topic.
Mwah!
SkyNet
08-01-2003, 02:35 PM
Originally posted by freakyplatypus
I am from the future.
I have been sent back in time to destroy this thread by sending it off topic.
Mwah!

HAHAHA....yeah, and I am from the future too, programmed to send 3 Terminators, one to kill your mother, another to kill you as a child, and the last to kill you on Judgment Day.....

I will destroy you Connor!!:mad:
jediknight
08-01-2003, 02:41 PM
Originally posted by SkyNet
Actually, John could just avoid being killed by him and THEN send him back through time.

he doesn't HAVE to die in order for the T-101 to be sent back in time.

Tru dat
freakyplatypus
08-01-2003, 02:42 PM
Terminators aren't very reliable.
They never do their job.
jediknight
08-01-2003, 03:27 PM
That's because the good guy always has to win and everyone likes to see the underdog win.

I wanna see the machines take completly over and plug everyone human left into this huge construct...and send a signal to the humans brains telling them they are stuck in 1999...and give one person the chance to free them, but not really give him a choice...and have him make the wrong choice....

Oops, wrong movie...but they blend so well.
freakyplatypus
08-01-2003, 03:41 PM
They could've made them connect somehow very easily.
SkyNet
08-01-2003, 04:50 PM
Originally posted by jediknight
That's because the good guy always has to win and everyone likes to see the underdog win.

I wanna see the machines take completly over and plug everyone human left into this huge construct...and send a signal to the humans brains telling them they are stuck in 1999...and give one person the chance to free them, but not really give him a choice...and have him make the wrong choice....

Oops, wrong movie...but they blend so well.

i believe that the Matrix stated that there were previous "the chosen one" who came to shut down the matrix, about 6 times, but what if the FIRST Chosen One was John Connor at the brink of the future war in Terminator, where the machines were near victory over humans, thus leading to people being plugged into the Matrix program after Connor failed?

The Terminator series could almost be a prequel to the Matrix series.....sort of....
spiderman_2k
08-01-2003, 04:52 PM
Yeah that whole thing was raised a while ago after Reloaded was released...
SkyNet
08-01-2003, 05:06 PM
oh.....well, that would be cool though. Terminator and Matrix are my favourite series...
freakyplatypus
08-01-2003, 08:34 PM
and they are both made by WB.
That increases the chances of this.
Mr.Matinee
08-01-2003, 11:02 PM
only T3 was made by WB,T1 was made by MGM,T2 was made by Carlco,or something.
spiderman_2k
08-02-2003, 09:07 AM
Indeed they were...
tedward
08-02-2003, 09:58 AM
I dont think its wb who own the terminator rights even now, just distribution in america. Im guessing wb dont own the matrix either rather the other w-bros would.
spiderman_2k
08-02-2003, 12:56 PM
True..Columbia distribute it in Europe..
I think its Intermedia/C2 productions that own T3...
freakyplatypus
08-02-2003, 03:07 PM
Oh. Well....
oh.