Politics and the matrix

[mauro]

we all know Hollywood hates the republican party and does anything to embarrass its leaders.


The Matrix has a scene where Agent Smith calls Cypher "Mr Reagan" who replies "I don't want to remember nothing, nothing !" in reference to the Iran Contras scandal.

Matrix Reloaded continues the trend, did anyone notice that when the architect is telling Neo about the creation of the matrix and says" I redesigned the matric based on the varying grotesqueries of you nature" right at the precise moment the architect says the word "grotesqueries" the monitors on the wall show images of George Bush spli in monitors and a different monitor shows who appears to be George W Bush ?

http://cuchis.home.att.net/politics.jpg

[nightbringer]

Never noticed, good observation. I wish movie maker would leave politics out of movies. I think the reasons some people hate Republicans is because they are more authoritarian, and I see a lot of people who have issued with authority that don't like Republicans. Democrats aren't any better than Republicans in my opinion. Plus the fact that the people of this country can only handle a two party system is idiotic. There are more ways of thinking that Republican and Democrat, and it's much easier to weild power from the shadows, when there are only two choice, cause you actually make people think they have a choice, but in reality you control both choices and each ultimately leads to your bidding. Anyways I've ranted enough.

[terarist]

I like the political subtext, and think that ultimately, political allegories are as inevitable as peanut butter and jam. It's just that life is a seemingly endless stream of derivative. Universal themes nothwithstanding, we live in a cross referenced, culturally appropriated world. Referential easter eggs are the cliff notes version of subtext, and can fool an audience into depth.

that said, I really thought those references in the movie (yeah, I saw them too) were more about stock footage to fill in the hundresds of screens, and less about hating the republican legacy.

And that said, there's quite a few reasons to hate the republican party (said the smarmy canadian, swarthed in her cozy canuck confines), though historically just as many reasons to like them. It was the republican party, and Lincoln, who introduced the abolition of slavery, who signed the declaration of independence, etc. Nothing rings to mind for the democrats right now, but it's pretty much even sided in the good and the bad.

But seriously, where the he!! is a left wing representation, in any of the levels of government? It's scary as all he!!. Nightbringer's right, from this side of the 49th, it looks like "choice" is not the best way to describe the american electoral process. Just ask Gore.

[Seraph333]

whoa... very cool observation.

[hpk37067]

Very nice.

[freakyplatypus]

Politics only tear our country apart.

[eclipsedman]

AHH come on now Terarist do you really think Gore could have handled being president? I mean look how he fell apart afterward, pathetic. What is your obsevations on Bush and his role in Skull & Bones, do you think it has anything to do with his decisions and what he does in office. By the way folks S & B has a direct link to the Illuminati.

My 100th post, any one know how to change BOOM OPERATOR to BONG OPERATOR???

[Fanible]

Originally posted by eclipsedman

My 100th post, any one know how to change BOOM OPERATOR to BONG OPERATOR???

Yes, but im not telling you...... begger! =P

[terarist]

No, I don't think Gore could have handled being president, but I don't think Georgie girl is doing all that well either.

In fact, most of the time, I'm not all that convinced he's actually the president. Old pals from S&B maybe, i'm not sure how much they compose of the inner sanctum of presidential lunacy, donald rumsfeld, I don't know, but he doesn't seem to be the one calling the shots. And isn't if awfully suspicious that most of the "go-to" guys for Jr, are the same set-up guys for his pappy? And isn't it funny, that within months of his reelection, him and his recycled thugs are returning to the same fight they engineered last time?

I'm just a good ole canadian girl, with a prime minister who had muscular dystrophy as a child, and now has the use of only half his face, whose resulting accent is the biggest joke in the country, even if he's one of the more intelligent leaders we've had these last 50 years. But we don't have the same crap to sort through that americans do.

It's a big joke outside america, about america being the voice of democracy, and not having an elected leader.

[eclipsedman]

Come on Fanible show me how to do it, if it helps I lived in Cincinnatti OH along time ago. Yahh I wonder sometimes whos really running the show here. I might have moved to Vancouver if Gore won, nothing but the best up there. There is many theoriues talkin about how everything Bush does is to prepare for a one world Goverment, the real goal for the Illuminati. The interesting thing is that the only person ever to mention a New World Over is Bushes father and Hitler. Hitler had links to the Thule society which is related to the Illuminati.

[Fanible]

The President has never been the president. They always have smarter or other people overpowering him.

Anyways, there wasn't much we could do. There were two guys, and we had to pick which was better. They both were morons, but George was probably the better pick.

[terarist]

in canada we at least have a few more morons to pick from, some of them are almost left wing!

[freakyplatypus]

it's

Good that the
Other guy to pick from, the
Republican, won the
Election. Or else our country would need some
Serious help. He is
Ugly anyway. And he talks like a robot on
Crack.
Kan you tell I have no life what
So ever??

:p

[Fanible]

Originally posted by terarist
in canada we at least have a few more morons to pick from, some of them are almost left wing!

Well, sure. We actually have tons of guys to pick from, but it usually comes down to two or three guys with the most money and most compaigning and what not. So those are the only people they vote for. Plus the thought occurs with a lot of people, "why bother wasting my vote on this guy, although probably a better president, but he's not gonna be any competition. Might as well pick the better shmuck that's more likely to win."

And that's how it always comes a bout. There have always been good men who could make better presidents of many countries, but they never make it to the top, because they don't have as loud a voice as others.

[terarist]

Freaky! You know my good friend Jean! So many of my family are from the same part of quebec and that accent is like coming home! Sigh...

Fanible, dude, yer totally right. I think my biggest problem with america isn't so much about their representation, but more about the electoral colleges, and the disparate election rules from state to state.

But truth be told, I've got many beefs with the Canadian system, some the same as the American. I would like to see North America adopt more progressive election practises, ala germany. They have the normal election that we're all used to, but they also have a few leftover seats that are dispersed to more equally represent the actual voting patterns. So if the green party got 13% of the vote, but didn't win any of the specific elections, that party would still end up with some representation in the corresponding parliament. It's a really healthy way to encourage people to vote more along with their convictions, if they think that in the end their vote will count at least for something, instead of, as you said, picking one of the two main guys, because of the money....

[nightbringer]

Originally posted by Fanible
The President has never been the president. They always have smarter or other people overpowering him.

Anyways, there wasn't much we could do. There were two guys, and we had to pick which was better. They both were morons, but George was probably the better pick.

No offense, but that's the kind of thinking that most Americans have and it screws us over. They want you to believe that there are only two options, Republican or Democrat. That way you think "oh boy I get to choose!". Both political parties are puppets pulled by some other organizations strings. Why do you think that everytime a third party comes along, they are mocked in the media, not invited to debates (which are run by private organizations), not given air time, and so on. It's ridiculous. There is more than two ways to handle things and way of thinking. If Gore had been elected, I contend that things would have played out the same, same game, different players, cause somebody or some other group is really making the decisions.

[NeoVsYoda]

Originally posted by Fanible
The President has never been the president. They always have smarter or other people overpowering him.



3 Words: METAL GEAR SOLID

Sons of Liberty showed a chilling image of how American politics could be run.


:(

[Fanible]

Originally posted by nightbringer
No offense, but that's the kind of thinking that most Americans have and it screws us over. They want you to believe that there are only two options, Republican or Democrat. That way you think "oh boy I get to choose!". Both political parties are puppets pulled by some other organizations strings. Why do you think that everytime a third party comes along, they are mocked in the media, not invited to debates (which are run by private organizations), not given air time, and so on. It's ridiculous. There is more than two ways to handle things and way of thinking. If Gore had been elected, I contend that things would have played out the same, same game, different players, cause somebody or some other group is really making the decisions.

Read my second post on the topic. I've already said that.

And yes, it does come down to two decisions, BECAUSE thats the way people think. And if theres going to be two guys in the end, it's best that you try to turn the results to the better man. But this is the way it'll always be, because many people vote for who they can see, and who they've heard of, rather than actually looking into the smaller guys with less money. Thats not the way average American's work.

There was actually someone that I really enjoyed what he had to say, and he made sense. He was very logical and would of made a great president.... however it was more that plainly obvious that he wouldn't become a President. No where near it, because no one knew of him terribly well, and everyone's eyes were on these other two guys that have been making their image big all over America.

Now what I could of done was vote for this guy because I liked him, but I knew either Gore or Bush were undoubtedly going to be elected. And when it comes down to that kind of decision, though I know for a fact that both are kinda mentally ill, but I sure as hell didn't want GORE in office. So naturally I voted for one of the two that was for sure going to be President, and voted for the better one.

[eclipsedman]

Too true Fanible, there was really only two people to choose from. The thing is other people were too dumb to vote for them and voted for others ( case in point Nader ). As the NOFX song says Bush is still laughin about that. Hey Nightbringer I am curious as to what group you are alluding to that is running the US?

[Boiiinng]

i'm guessing oil companies and church orgs are up on that list

[terarist]

well I can tell you who's NOT running the government: gays, environmentalists, abolitionists, pot smokers, pro-choicers, muslims, and canadians.

But whoever is, they've just devolved your domestic and foreign policy almost 30 years.

Yay cold war!!!

[eclipsedman]

Church groups and oil comp. are related too much to GW to be really running the show. All I know is i am lookin forward to getting rid of Gray Davis here in Cali. and getting Arnold S. in the house. do you guys think there is a reason the terrorist attacks on the US happened on the 11th and one of the only Presidents to be assinnated happened also on the 11th. in a freemason square?

[Fanible]

Originally posted by eclipsedman
do you guys think there is a reason the terrorist attacks on the US happened on the 11th and one of the only Presidents to be assinnated happened also on the 11th. in a freemason square?

Four presidents have been assasinated, and I don't know of any of them that were killed on September 11th.

[phatguy_returns]

Originally posted by Fanible
Yes, but im not telling you...... begger! =P

Well, well, well guess mr. itty bitty hog fanible doesn't want to share...forgive him this uber nerd's info is all he has...sad
P.S. Im back:)

[Fanible]

Im curious as to how many people are suppose to actually remember you when you only made 14 posts the first time you were here, and it got you banned.

In fact, I didn't even remember you... I had to look that up. So if for some reason you consider yourself special enough to make a statement like "i'm back"... im confused as to why.

[phatguy_returns]

Originally posted by Fanible
Im curious as to how many people are suppose to actually remember you when you only made 14 posts the first time you were here, and it got you banned.

In fact, I didn't even remember you... I had to look that up. So if for some reason you consider yourself special enough to make a statement like "i'm back"... im confused as to why.
well *ahem* I did manage to cause a lot trouble for some ppl...:p hee hee hee...and that was also for you I figured you must have been w@cking off at that time while looking at ur barbie...so just a reminder:)

[Fanible]

Indeed. I might attempt to add some sort of retort if you made any sense to begin with.

[phatguy_returns]

Originally posted by Fanible
Indeed. I might attempt to add some sort of retort if you made any sense to begin with.
Oh no no no...it made sense...you just didn't understand;)

[phatguy_returns]

and oh yeah it doesn't matter how many threads or replies you post, they just gotta have purpose and mine is making fun of pretty much ppl like you

[Fanible]

Understood

[phatguy_returns]

Originally posted by Fanible
Understood
well that's fantastic:)

[Fanible]

I thought so

[necronon99]

its cool they bash on a subliminal level during a very heavy scene
and not push their opinion down your throught

[freakyplatypus]

Yeah. True.