Batman VS Spiderman Matchup!

[Alexander JL]

Who do ya think will win?

[sniktawt]

I like the both of them so I'd say a draw.

[Pax Tharsis]

I'd say most likely a draw, each have ablilities or powers that can counter act the other. But if it did come down to there had to be a winner. Batman, he'd probally find some knock out gas, or gluey substance that could hold Spidy down.

[spiderman_2k]

Spidey....

[Hitman]

I gotta call this one a draw too.

[Havok]

Spidey - he actual has powers. Gadgits are no much for speed , strenght and spidey sense.

not even close

[Mat]

Batman would find someway to eventually outsmart Spiderman, but if it was a straight out fight, Spiderman would win.

[Onimar Synn]

Spider-man would win fairly easily. People try and be kind to the dark knight so they say it would be close, but ol' Spidey is about twenty times stronger and faster than a normal man. Sure, Batman could beat anybody with the writer giving him enough prep time. Heck, there was one story where someone else implemented Batmans defense plans for the JLA in case they ever went rogue, and he took out the whole Justice League. But a one on one fight between Spider-man and Batman shouldn't be the contest people make it out to be.

[Halofan1]

Batman.

[TheBatman_9]

it wouldn't last long at all. the batman would break parker's arm or leg or both and then paralyze him from the waist down or something. not much to it.

people always say the dark knight needs prep time...i say no prep time. let him come accross parker in one of gotham's alleys. he would bust him up quick so before parker knew what hit him, he'd be recovering in the hospital.

[EnderDeschain]

Ahem. Batman would indeed need prep time. But the problem with a Batman-versus-Anybody scenario is that even though Bats might get the floor wiped with his face in the initial encounter, he would be back. And given a proper heads-up, there is no one Batman can't take. I'm not a big Batman fan, never have been, never will be, but this is just fact. So the question becomes, what's a win? The initial round of fisticuffs or the long-term outcome? If it's the former, Spidey takes Bats easy. But, like I said, that would be the last time it would ever happen. After that initial encounter, Pete would never beat the Dark Knight again.

[PapaGeorgioSmrf]

definately spider-man, i dont care what batman has, the batmobile, the go-go gadget belt, anything spider-man would still be able to kick some major ass

[TyRoss]

Originally posted by EnderDeschain
Ahem. Batman would indeed need prep time. But the problem with a Batman-versus-Anybody scenario is that even though Bats might get the floor wiped with his face in the initial encounter, he would be back. And given a proper heads-up, there is no one Batman can't take. I'm not a big Batman fan, never have been, never will be, but this is just fact. So the question becomes, what's a win? The initial round of fisticuffs or the long-term outcome? If it's the former, Spidey takes Bats easy. But, like I said, that would be the last time it would ever happen. After that initial encounter, Pete would never beat the Dark Knight again.

You know I've dealt with this before...

THERE ARE PEOPLE THAT BATMAN JUST COULD NOT POSSIBLY HANDLE!!!!!!

Yes he's good but there are characters out there that are just too much for him.

[Onimar Synn]

Originally posted by TheBatman_9
it wouldn't last long at all. the batman would break parker's arm or leg or both and then paralyze him from the waist down or something. not much to it.

How would a normal human man, even one skilled in all the arcane fighting art and functioning at peak human capacity, take down an opponent with twenty times the strength. agility, and speed of a normal man? (Not to mention Spider sense) It just couldn't happen in a one on one fight, which is why he would definitely need prep time, and sure, if he came back, he'd be more prepared, and could probably win. And as I stated before, with preparation, Bats could take down just about anyone. But I didn't understand that to be the question.

[TheBatman_9]

batman has defeated spidey before. batman has defeated captain america before. batman has defeated venom before. batman has defeated superman and the entire JLA before. there is no one he can't handle...prep time or not.

[TyRoss]

Originally posted by TheBatman_9
there is no one he can't handle...prep time or not.

There are plenty he can't handle.. prep time or not.

[TheBatman_9]

i'm sorry man. don't blame me. i'm just stating fact. go to the source material for proof. the man is unbeatable. by any standards. anytime...anyplace.

[TyRoss]

We've had this argument before. There are just some characters he cannot handle they're too powerful.

[EnderDeschain]

Damn. Good signature there, Batman. That was one hell of a moment, left me stunned.

But none-the-less, your "prep time or not" argument is laughable. Prep time is pretty much all Bats has going for him. Initially, hand to hand, there is absolutely no way he could take Spider-Man. Your stubborn refusal to see it otherwise really kind of weakens your argument and, by extension, mine. I've been through this particular argument my share of times, as well, mainly on the Wizard boards when I used to go there all the time, and I know your type. Blind allegiance is not all that convincing. I'll give Bats the long run, I see that as fact, but it's also fact that Spidey would take him without his prep time.

[Onimar Synn]

Thank you EnderDeschain. like it or not, in order to defeat opponents with serious superpowers, Batman does need prep time. All the "defeats" that the previous poster mentioned had to do with the politics that go on whenever there is a crossover between Marvel and DC, and they have to decide which character will beat which. Of those listed, the closest match to Bats is Captain America, and as I recall, they pretty much fought to a standstill in a sewer, and with water rushing in on them, Cap threw his shield, and Bats threw a batarang. Cap missed (Which he never does in his own comic) and Batman didn't. So most of this stuff is dependent on the writer.

I love the "uber-Batman" that knows everything and can defeat anyone with enough planning, because it gives him equal stature among the heavyweights in the JLA. But let's be real, a normal man, even even with all his training and functioning at peak capacity, would not be able to defeat a super-powered foe if you simply threw them in a ring together. Heck, there's nothing wrong with prep time. Batman's charm for me is that he knows exactly how to prepare for anything, where no other character would.

[Marvin]

I'd rather not get into this argument.

But still, If you throw them into a cage, does Batman(christian bale) still have a fully loaded utility belt?

If they are in a ally in Gothem. Does he have the feel of the turf, the utility belt, the partners in radio distance.

Even if you take away his prep time, the character is still Batman don't forget. He's no fool. The most analytical mind in the DC universe, who happens to be the winningest martial artist, with tonnes of resources at his disposal? I think he stands a chance.

I don't remember, but has he beaten the pants of Bane without prep time? Bane, who on paper is faster, stronger, smarter...

And Killer Croc. I know for a fact that Bats has smacked him silly many times.

Spidey vs Nightwing seems to be what where arguing, because Bats is too strong a character.

[Onimar Synn]

Okay, once and for all. With out planning and prep time. Killer Crock would eat Batman's head for lunch. And as for Bane, if I recall correctly, he broke Batman's back. The way I read this question, is that they are encountering each other for the first time, with no real knowledge of each other. Batman is a skilled fighter, but his strongest punches and kicks wouldn't take Spider-man down. Spider-man has survived battles with The Hulk, Juggernaut, The Rhino, and any number of foes that are in the same class as killer croc. And Spider-man doesn't need prep time. He just goes out and does it. He may even be able to circumvent Spidey's Spider-sense once, maybe twice. Cap once knocked Spidey flat because he was too quick for him to avoid, and Bats could potentially do the same thing. But he would be hard pressed to hurt him, outmaneuver him, or keep up with his superior agility, strength, and fighting skills.

So I still say that under those circumstances, Spider-man would hurt put a hurtin' on the great Batman. :)

[TheBatman_9]

thanks for the comment on the signature. it is a great moment in cinematic history.

as for batman versus the world...after some thought...and a little comic consulting...i'm reminded of the time batman (with no prep time) had his ass handed to him by spawn, prometheus (JLA villian) and of course the first fight with Bane. batman has since defeated Bane everytime they have fought afterwards. prometheus as well. its hard...very hard to admit this: there are some characters that the batman simply could not handle. now, maybe with prep time he can take anyone, but i concur gentlemen, in a straight out fight with spider-man...oh man...parker would probably win.

[spiderman_2k]

YAY...acceptance of the truth

[EnderDeschain]

Very good, Batman! Now that wasn't so hard, was it?

Yeah, Prometheus. The time he kicked Batman's ass was awesome, even though the fight finished off-panel. Shocking moment, left me slavering for the next issue. I like Onimar's "uber-Batman" comment, and agree completely. The spooky thing about him is that he probably knows who you are already, before you even encounter him, he knows everything about everyone. In fact, he's probably monitoring this conversation RIGHT NOW.

I liked Green Lantern's comment (or was it Flash?) that when Batman walks into a room it's like someone died.

[TheBatman_9]

it was green lantern. that was pretty funny. kyle rayner is always commenting about batman like that. its funny.

yes that was a great moment when prometheus beat batman. then in the next issue, while flash was checking on kyle, batman came to and rose up...then looked at kyle and flash and said..."where did he go?" like he was gonna go kick his ace.

although my all-time favorite "JLA batman comment moment" was when they were all gathered at the watchtower except for batman and superman said.."is that everyone?"
GL: "batman..."
Batman: "I"m here."
Superman: "thats funny, i didn't hear your heartbeat."
Batman: "Hnn. Device worked."

[Marvin]

Bane defeated batman once without prep time. If you read the knightfall story, you'd see that bane manipulated the situation (his own prep time) and caught Bruce in his own home, sick and sleep deprived.
Batman has beat bane without prep time though.

Batman 609. Bruce whoops Crocs ass and takes a calculated beating from him as well. Batman can beat metahumans with ease.

Prometheus had Batmans skills downloaded into his motor skills, That's the edge that tiped the scales. Notice how confident Batman was before he heard that, and even after he heard that. The second time they fought, Batman knew what he was getting into but didn't use any schemes until after he whooped that bastards grey haired ass.

Even though I don't agree with the ploting. The newest Wizard has this very situation. And Batman wins for the reasons I stated in my last post. Brains, utility belt, resources, skills.

Sure the movie shows us what Parker does see when he fights (flash thompson). But I'm sure Batgirl sees the same thing. And Batman can take her 2/3 times. Flash can't fight.

To put things into perspective. Has spidey ever had his ass whooped by costumed villians. ie the shocker, the vulture. Batman is 10 times the offensive and defensive character they are. What do you think?

What I'm saying is, don't just say Bat's finally loses because it's time Uber Bats goes down.

It could go either way depending on circumstances. But reading my first post, I'd give it to Batman.

[Onimar Synn]

I also like the way Flash and GL are obviously more in awe of him that they are of Superman. I love the little scenes where Bats pulls some arcane bit of knowledge out of his ass, and Wally and Kyle just stare at each other and go, "How does he know these things?" Little non-sequiter here, but I also love the fact that Bats started wearing boots that are obviously utilitarian. I just don't see him doing the things he does without a solid army style boot with a soft sole that gives great traction.

[Onimar Synn]

Originally posted by TheBatman_9

although my all-time favorite "JLA batman comment moment" was when they were all gathered at the watchtower except for batman and superman said.."is that everyone?"
GL: "batman..."
Batman: "I"m here."
Superman: "thats funny, i didn't hear your heartbeat."
Batman: "Hnn. Device worked."

That was a great scene, but my vote goes to when he pick-pocketed Superman's glasses out of his cape pouch. Bats, managed to pick-pocket the man of steel! Classic, absolutely classic. :)

[Onimar Synn]

Originally posted by Marvin
Even though I don't agree with the ploting. The newest Wizard has this very situation. And Batman wins for the reasons I stated in my last post. Brains, utility belt, resources, skills.


That was a totally bogus scenario in wizard. Spidey taken down by a punch to the solar plexus? Give me a freakin' break. Spider-man is the guy who fought Morlun to a stand-still. And Morlun was possibly the biggest bad-ass foe he's ever faced. He got battered, bruised, and broken, and he received a lot more than a blow to the plexus in that fight, but he kept right on coming back.

A punch like that from Batman would momentarily slow Spider-man down at the most.

[Marvin]

Did parker get any sort of invulnerability from the spider?

[Onimar Synn]

No he didn't, just extraordinary stamina, and strength to go with it.

[Marvin]

Stamina meaning what exactly?

Because I'm sure pressure points would still work on him.

A punch to the solar plexus(pressure point), from a universes greatest martial artist, that should do something.

[Onimar Synn]

Originally posted by Marvin
Stamina meaning what exactly?

Because I'm sure pressure points would still work on him.

A punch to the solar plexus(pressure point), from a universes greatest martial artist, that should do something.

Well, if all his muscles are on the average of twenty times stronger than normal, that would include the plexus. So he would be twenty times more resistant to the effects of a blow like that. Or at least that's my theory, and I'm sticking to it. Spidey's not invulnerable by any means, but he's more than a match for a peak capacity human. As I stated before, Captain America suckered punched once, even faster than his spider-sense could avoid, and Batman could probably do the same thing. But that doesn't mean it he was hurt, and it doesn't mean that Spider-man wouldn't be all over Cap or Bats with a serious can of butt-whoop. I'm sorry, but they're just in different leagues when it comes to power.

[Marvin]

Originally posted by Onimar Synn
That was a totally bogus scenario in wizard. Spidey taken down by a punch to the solar plexus? Give me a freakin' break. Spider-man is the guy who fought Morlun to a stand-still. And Morlun was possibly the biggest bad-ass foe he's ever faced. He got battered, bruised, and broken, and he received a lot more than a blow to the plexus in that fight, but he kept right on coming back.

A punch like that from Batman would momentarily slow Spider-man down at the most.

The same could probubly be said about Batman and his metahuman foes.
Bane
Croc
clayface.


off topic

does anyone remember that issue of superman or batman, where supe's was poisoned by a krytonite kiss. He went to help from batman to find lois.
In a bar batman is asking for information. The bikers laugh and confront him.
He gives the biggest one (something like) a tap on the shoulder and on the forehead with his index finger.
The dude drops to the ground.

That's classic.

[Marvin]

I'm thinking superstamina simply means the energy to work your powerfull muscles.

and of course it means you have more physical energy as well.

[Onimar Synn]

Originally posted by Marvin
The same could probubly be said about Batman and his metahuman foes.
Bane
Croc
clayface.




Yeah but they're criminals, and none too bright by their very nature. They don't have the experience or the skills that Spider-man does.

[Marvin]

Bane does. He's smarter than both bats and spidey.

Croc was a wrestler.

Clayface is really tuff.

[EnderDeschain]

Wow, did you just say Bane is smarter than Batman? I've never read Bats' comics, the closest I've come is JLA, but I thought it was universally accepted that Batman is like THE smartest human in the DC Universe. I'm not arguing here, I'm just asking if that's a comment you really meant.

[Marvin]

OH I mean it.

But Batman Analytics can't be beat. His ability to learn is unequaled.

His IQ is only 130 though. Sub Genius. Banes above 200.

On paper Batman's not the smartest.

In application he is.

[TheBatman_9]

i have an issue of WIZARD that states batman's IQ as being 220.

[Marvin]

Was it the Batman Special Issue?

Because I use to have that one but I lost it.

[Gandollum]

I'd say Batman, i mean c'mon, has anyone seen Batman: Dead End, nuff said. And this is for Marvin, do you have the whole collection of Knightfall, i have a few issues but im missing a lot. Is there anyway of getting every issue, like a reprinted collection.

[sniktawt]

Originally posted by Gandollum
I'd say Batman, i mean c'mon, has anyone seen Batman: Dead End, nuff said.
Was Spider-Man in the version you saw, Mine had Bats fighting Tinky Winky, Dipsy, LaLa , Po and The smilie sun.Any chance I can get a copy .I heard there are 10 different versions where Batman fights all kinds of characters he has no business being with.

lol!!!!:D :D :D :D :applaud: :applaud: :rolleyes: ;)

[Quint]

Originally posted by Gandollum
I'd say Batman, i mean c'mon, has anyone seen Batman: Dead End,

Unfortanately, Yes...8 minutes of My life I want back.

Sniktawt, your above post was hilarious.Pure genius!!!!!!

[Marvin]

Originally posted by Gandollum
I'd say Batman, i mean c'mon, has anyone seen Batman: Dead End, nuff said. And this is for Marvin, do you have the whole collection of Knightfall, i have a few issues but im missing a lot. Is there anyway of getting every issue, like a reprinted collection.

If you don't have that many issues of the collection, I suggest you find the graphic novel. It would be worth it. I only read one issue of the story to tell you the truth. But it would make a great film. Instead we get the trip called Batman and Robin.

Please don't refer to the Dead End or any Bat flicks incarnation of Batman for this dabate. That's not Batman. It's just not.

I'd say JLA Batman would be a good one to consider. Or just look at the current Batman from his own book. He's looking better than ever.

[Gandollum]

Yeah, i have 4 or 5 actually, i wanna read the whole story, but i cant find them. As for the movie reference, it may not be relevent in this debate but it was pretty cool seeing Batty taking on aliens and predator. You either love it or hate it.

[sniktawt]

It was cool but not logical.
I sound like Spock when I say that.

[Marvin]

I'll get back to you on the Trade Paper Back Gandollum.

[Lackey]

Originally posted by EnderDeschain
Wow, did you just say Bane is smarter than Batman? I've never read Bats' comics, the closest I've come is JLA, but I thought it was universally accepted that Batman is like THE smartest human in the DC Universe. I'm not arguing here, I'm just asking if that's a comment you really meant.

Lex Luthor is smarter than Batman, so is Martian Manhunter.

[Lackey]

My two cents in this topic:

If the Punisher can take Spider-Man, so can Batman.

[Marvin]

Originally posted by Lackey
My two cents in this topic:

If the Punisher can take Spider-Man, so can Batman.

If that's true...hmmm.

Still, the point is not really that valid to the argument.

[Onimar Synn]

Originally posted by Lackey
My two cents in this topic:

If the Punisher can take Spider-Man, so can Batman.

I don't think The Punisher could take Spider-man. The question is; Given the powers and abilities of these individuals, who would win a battle between them? It's not a matter of what some writers have done with the character by editorial mandate. Hell, Howard the Duck could take Spider-man if an editor said it had to happen and the writer could make it halfway believable. But that ain't the point.

[TheBatman_9]

i'm pretty sure batman is the smartest person in the DC universe. i know lex luthor isn't has smart.

[Marvin]

Lex does have a higher IQ than Bruce.

[TheBatman_9]

the special Batman issue of Wizard stated that bruce had the highest I.Q. plus batman has outsmarted lex numerous times.

[Marvin]

I think not.

The Special Wizzard said either 130 or 230.
I'm leaning towards 130.

But not even close to the highest.

Batman is still the smartest, just not the most intelligent.

[killercowboy]

are they gonna fight each other? why...that's dumb

[Highlander3]

You Spider-man fans, BE QUIET!!!!!!!!!!!!! ok? Batman would kick Spidey's nerdy stupid geeky wimpy pathetic college student butt!!!!! whos with me? Batman fans stand up and lets kill these Spider-man fans ok? Batman is a master of ALL martial arts, while Parker just knows how to throw a punch barely. Batman is the world greatest detective, while Parker knows how to get B's and A's in his Math and Science classes that goof. Batman has tons of gadgets and weapons, while Spidey has his stupid mechanical web shooter, or how the stupidest movie of ALL time made it into organic webshooter, HAHA idiotic Raimi, you suck!!!! Batman kicked Spidey's butt in the latest Wizard, so be quiet Onimar with your dancing stupid Spidey doing fruity aerobics. Spidey is human just like Bats, he just has above average speed and strength, one kick or punch in the face would knock him out!!!!! just like the Halloween costume wearing Goblin the crappy movie did with that gas, Spidey fell asleep so fast HAHAHA, pathetic Spidey. Batman is the WINNER!!!! Flawless Victory, Fatality, a Batarang chops off Spdiets head.

[spiderman_2k]

Ur an idiot...

[kryptonian_boy]

I would give the edge to Batman in any face-off. If his opponent was anything short of God, Batman would find some way to win. If he couldn't beat his opponent directly, he would find a way to buy himself some time, and put some space between him and his opponent. Until he found a weakness. Then he would go in for the kill.

[Onimar Synn]

I like Batman as much as I like Spider-man, but I thought we were talking about physical abilities here. I'll give the edge to Batman in any fight where he has prep-time, but in a sudden encounter with anyone who is physically superior and/or a better fighter, he's going to lose. For you guys that actually read the comics, you know what I'm talking about. Remember in JLA when Prometheus kicked Batman's butt all over the watchtower? That was because Bat's didn't know his opponent, but once he had some prep-time, it was all over, baby.

[CWLakers34]

I also agree that Spider-man would wipe the floor with Batman in a sudden fight. But I don't agree that Batman could beat Spidey every time after that. Let's remember Parker is also a genius here. I mean I'm sure that Parker could find some scientific way to defeat Batman a few times more even if he's had his precious prep time to conjour a way to defeat Spidey. Don't get me wrong I love Batman, but i think his smarts can be matched by Parker. In all their fights I'd think it would be a tie or Batman by a few bouts.

[Halofan1]

Batman would beat his ass red.

[spiderman_2k]

Afraid not..;)

[Lackey]

Originally posted by Onimar Synn
For you guys that actually read the comics, you know what I'm talking about. Remember in JLA when Prometheus kicked Batman's butt all over the watchtower?


That's because Batman was basically fighting himself.

[Onimar Synn]

Originally posted by Lackey
That's because Batman was basically fighting himself.

Himself, along with a whole bunch of other world-class fighters. And that's my point; Batman can be outclassed, and I like it that way. He excels at being a detective and at planning, and while he is a world class fighter, that's not really his strength. It's his ability to formulate a plan that allows him to go toe-to-toe with the likes of Superman, not his fighting skills.

[Highlander3]

SILENCE U DAMN SPIDEY FANS!!!!!!! Onimar and spidey 2k's opinion doesnt count here, damn Spidey fans, they'll say Spider-man can take on Superman, maniacs. Batman kicked Spidermans butt in the Wizard battle without any planning so be quiet, and Wizard are the smart comic book geniuses ok so dont say theyre wrong eventhough they did say Goku could beat Superman which is bullsh*&!!!!!! Batman kicked Hulks butt in the comics, he kicked Punishers butt in the comics, and he kicked Supermans butt in the comics, and he kicked Captain Americas butt in the comics. You telling me Spider-man would give more of a challenge than Hulk or Superman, u defintely nuts then spidey 2k and onimar cause Spidey lost to Punisher numerous times. At the end of the fight Spidey would die just like in Infinity Gauntlet, Batman hits Spidey over the head with a huge rock, HAHAHHA, dead spider. Batman never lost a fight and he never will, u hear me? hes UNSTOPPABLE!!!!, hes not human, hes BATMAN!!!! Spidey2k u ever dance with Bill Cosby on the pale moonlight?

[Onimar Synn]

Originally posted by Highlander3
SILENCE U DAMN SPIDEY FANS!!!!!!! Onimar and spidey 2k's opinion doesnt count here, damn Spidey fans, they'll say Spider-man can take on Superman, maniacs. Batman kicked Spidermans butt in the Wizard battle without any planning so be quiet, and Wizard are the smart comic book geniuses ok so dont say theyre wrong eventhough they did say Goku could beat Superman which is bullsh*&!!!!!! Batman kicked Hulks butt in the comics, he kicked Punishers butt in the comics, and he kicked Supermans butt in the comics, and he kicked Captain Americas butt in the comics. You telling me Spider-man would give more of a challenge than Hulk or Superman, u defintely nuts then spidey 2k and onimar cause Spidey lost to Punisher numerous times. At the end of the fight Spidey would die just like in Infinity Gauntlet, Batman hits Spidey over the head with a huge rock, HAHAHHA, dead spider. Batman never lost a fight and he never will, u hear me? hes UNSTOPPABLE!!!!, hes not human, hes BATMAN!!!! Spidey2k u ever dance with Bill Cosby on the pale moonlight?

You're not even reading this thread are you? If you are, then you obviously lack reading comprehension, because you're attributing things to me that I never said, and ignoring irrefutable points that I have already made.

Oh, and Batman has lost fights before. But as I'm getting tired of stating, what has happened in the comics isn't really the point of the discussion.

[spiderman_2k]

...:confused:

[Onimar Synn]

Originally posted by spiderman_2k
...:confused:

Was that for me or Highlander?

[spiderman_2k]

The dumbass Highlander..I got everything u said....

[Marvin]

hmmm.

[yeahyeahyeah73]

How would Batman get around Spidey's spider-sense?

[Onimar Synn]

With preparation, he could most certainly deduce how it worked and build a device to jam it. But this goes right back to what I've been saying...

[CWLakers34]

Yes, Batman would be able to figure out the Spider-sense, but I think Peter would think of other ways to weaken Batman. As I said before Peter Parker is also a genius. He would likely evade Batman until he came up with a way to out think him. This outthinking process would go back and forth non-stop in my opinion. I believe this match is an all-round stalemate.

[Marvin]

Does the "Spider Sense" tell peter how to evade and attack in the middle of combat with the greatest matial artist on the planet, or does it warn him of incoming missiles?

If so, why does he ever get hit with punches, ie the Movie.

[Onimar Synn]

I've always thought that it worked as both an early warning system for danger and a sort of intuitive defense mechanism in hand to hand combat. Supposedly though, even with that he can still be caught off guard.

[bjgroves91]

A tie

[Steve Rogers]

Originally posted by Highlander3
and he kicked Captain Americas butt in the comics.

Even though you're rightfully banned for being a jackass I just wanted to let you know, Cap can and will hand Batman his ass in the upcoming JLA/Avengers crossover.

[Brenzi51]

superman is an actual superhero and not some rich bastard that has cool toys....superman would easily win

[spiderman_2k]

Even though its "Spider-Man" against batman not Superman